 Now early in your careers. Yeah, you've won many hats. Yes You have separately been in workplaces. How have you felt your mental health has been? Perhaps Peter first to you if you've been in a situation in a in another life where you've been in a workplace And you knew that you were suffering Yeah, no how to handle it at the time Yes, and I was in that situation because I am in during the 90s I did have bipolar disorder Diagnosed and I and I took medication for it and suicide was one of those options that I contemplated and Until I reached a point in one day to say that's it no more and I took a hundred percent responsibility I didn't know how I was gonna do it, but I started crawling out of that hole What was the first step to taking that responsibility that as you said that's it to realize to realize That it no matter how loving and beautiful people are around me No one is going to care about my life or should care about my life more than I do. I Need to take care of my life. I need to find out my answer I'm an unique individual and what might work for you is not exactly what works for me But what did work for you? Well for me what I did was to go and research What had people that felt great about life did that I didn't do that's what worked for me. So You know Nelson Mandela He seems to have it together He was 27 years in prison if I'd been 27 years, I don't think I would have lasted to you know What did he do? How did he approach the world? What was it was his way of thinking so I read a biography on Nelson Mandela? I tried to soak up his personality his way of acting of understanding the world Gandhi was another one You know going from trying to fit in with society to becoming a disruptor and and through peace through peaceful men Through peaceful means to get rid of an empire in India. That's a that's a huge achievement So how did he approach people and and and it was incredibly similar But the Mandela's of the world and the Gandhi's of the world and the Branson's of the world or mother Teresa's of the world They have a way of operating in which they do not act as victim ever And that was the that was the lesson for me and and to to realize that there was a pity party going on in my brain You two work closely together Have you ever challenged Peter and said stop feeling sorry for yourself? Oh, absolutely We keep each other accountable to that all the time. It has to happen Absolutely, and and I think it's helpful to have someone like like that around you You know whether it's someone in the workplace whether it's someone at home And you know a friend a family member. Yeah Did you discover to yourself the effects of mental ill health in a workplace? Look, I don't think I've ever I mean we talk about where's that line where it crosses over into a mental health problem Something to be diagnosable or not. I wouldn't say that Cross that line, but definitely, you know our levels of mental well-being fluctuate and there are definitely periods at work for one reason or another where I can remember, you know having been more stressed and Usually it comes down to the dynamics of in in amongst people socially you had a HR boss HR boss, that was not very HR I've had a number of different HR Because that tends to be the area of a workplace where I gravitate to and so I've worked with HR a lot and I've had You know exactly what I was praised for in one from one manager was what was a problem with another manager and You know the good thing is I think because we adopt that philosophy of taking responsibility and taking that personal responsibility And not going into the victim space that kind of allowed me to say well What are my options here? How am I going to deal with this? Can I manage up? Is there any what can I change in this dynamic? How do I want to approach it or when is the time for me to move on to a new challenge and Take on something new because this situation simply isn't working for me And then they can be very difficult decisions for people to make You know do I stay do I go how do I should I change me? Should I try and change them? How do I tease all of that out? But for me that Making a decision and moving forward was what was most important not to stay stuck in Okay, great. Yeah