 Dave, I remember here, I think that in Texas, there is a, let me contextualize here. I've worked some time in IBM here in Brazil, and I worked there in the IBM Brazilian Research Lab. And I think there is also a research lab of IBM, I think in Austin, capital of Texas. Oh, probably so, Austin's got a lot of tech work, yeah, a lot of tech companies. Yes, yes, that's nice. Austin's a nice city if you have a chance to go. By the way, the lives were now live on YouTube. OK, thank you. Well, guys, let's start then. I would like to thank everyone's presence. Today is the 27th of May 2021, and we have the pleasure of having another session today, specifically to talk about the blockchain in the health area. As a habit, I like to do a brief introduction to the chapter. This is an event that is held by the Brazilian chapter of Hyperledger. And so we have some directories that we like to keep. The first of them is that this is a space where everyone is welcome. Everyone is very welcome here. And this meeting is also based on a conduct code where the respect between all of us, the respect between not only people, but entities, is the basis of what leads us, OK? So this is very important that everyone has the knowledge that here, not only as an individual, but as a company, everyone is very welcome. And talking about relationship between companies, we have an anti-trash policy that also addresses our activities. In addition, it is important for you to know that this session is being broadcasted live on YouTube. So your image will be linked to this session if you come to appear as your voice, OK? I would like to say once again thank you very much for the presence of all of you. And I would like to go to Marcos to present our guest. And we can start the session. Thank you very much to everyone. Marcos, now with you. Thank you. Thank you, Renato. At this moment, I am very happy today to talk about blockchain and health. The data related to our health are distributed information. So it is natural that this causes several problems in society, having seen that a piece of my health information is sometimes in the hospital, sometimes in the laboratory, sometimes in the health center. And nothing better than the blockchain to be able to integrate all of this and make all this information flow correctly. I am very happy to have with us my friend Diógenes Firmeano, who is from Iazistec, who has worked in relation to this project and will give us some details of what he has done in relation to this activity. So, Diógenes, thank you very much for being here. Now with you, my friend. Thank you, Marcos. Thank you, Renato, for the words. I think that Marcos summarized a little bit of what the context of the projects that we are working on and of interoperability in health was. I think that this context is very well aligned in the matter of interoperability and use, for example, of technologies distributed as a blockchain, right? So, first, to contextualize a little bit. I am Diógenes, I am CEO of Iazistec. We have been working there since 2018 in the area of health, but especially after the pandemic, we ended up returning a lot to the context of interoperability, of transmission of health data and integration of these data. And in this context, we, by chance, started looking at all this in a project that I worked on in another company, together with the Ministry of Health. More specifically, I worked with the Ministry of Health since 2014, with technology there since 2000, 2001. But the Ministry of Health, within this national context, has been a great help for this matter of interoperability. I think that what it has done, although still in evolution, a project that is still in evolution, it has the potential to really revolutionize health care in the long term. I think that at this time, the COVID-19 pandemic brought a lot of bad things, but for us at this moment, it brought a very good thing, which was this way of looking at health and taking care of it a little deeper. And we start talking about our population. In Brazil, we have 47% of the Brazilian population that will have over 40 years in 2030. And this is a gigantic challenge, because, as Marcos said, we live a world where health establishments each one has its own system of different information, its ways of different storage, and I think of it as a curiosity. In 2017, 77% of hospitals with more than 50 beds used only paper, which only gives a great challenge to the treatment of health data. When we talk about Brazil in the context of the world, Brazil is a country that has fewer doctors than most developed countries. We have 1.8 doctors in each resident. And our health system lives in a pressure of treatment costs that will increase over time. So, we must leave a curve of average treatment, of R$760 more or less current, to a curve of around R$1,500 of average treatment, to practically double this cost. This makes in 2030 only 10% of the elderly have the condition to pay for private plans. And our health system is a gigantic one, with over 5 billion health rates per year, over 150,000 health establishments, over 5,000 hospitals. And since 2018, the strategy of Brazilian digital health comes in this context of really powering the professionals, powering this health context through technology, and really delivering technology to those who need it at the moment that they need it. So, the great objective of the National Health Data Network is a Brazilian project that comes with this big range of exchange of information. The great objective of it is to allow this transition and continuity of care between public and private sectors. And this goes through the integration of a series of information. We talk about clinical attendance summaries, immunizations, examinations, medical images. The context of action is very large. And for this to happen, we really need to empower the citizen. This is a fundamental pillar. Health establishments need to optimize their processes. And health professionals need tools to increase their ability to act. And this act speaks a lot about standardization. The standardization, especially interoperability, was something that needed to be highlighted in Brazil for a long time. And now it comes with a new legislation, with new standards, especially to release a break from the health signals. This has been in our Code of Defense for a long time, in the Medical Diet Code, now in LGPD, and clearly says, the title of the data is the citizen. And he, as the title of the data, has the right to use this data wherever he wants, but we know that today, with the Brazilian text, it is a context that still lacks a lot of strength to make this happen. For the citizen to be able to have his data, this is still a difficult process. And interoperability comes as a complement to this process, of working with the data to be in the hands of the citizen and also to be standardized so that they can be worked on in the way they want, in the way they should. And then this work is nothing more coherent than understanding that it is a work that has to be distributed. As the context of the health signals itself says, the information is now distributed within the Brazilian health chain and within other health chains, in the American health chain, in other countries, this is a very present context in many countries in the world. So this vision of really being able to work with clinical documents, they are in each of their sites and with a timeline vision really unified for the citizen, we saw the marriage as a cloud of blockchain solutions. So the idea is to optimize the clinical information and to potentialize these analyses. And in addition, it allows the integration of these data, generation of databases, data lakes and information so that we can really do intelligence and health. And then obviously, allow all of this to generate an optimized approach to the citizen and make the citizen really be the CEO of health itself, in the concept of IPaicheds. And then once we have all of this, then we start to be able to talk about preventive medicine, really talking about integration with smart devices, with IoT sensors and other things. I had a happy opportunity and I'm here again talking about a Hyperledger event. I was happy to talk about a Hyperledger event Global Forum last year in Phoenix. After that, I had the opportunity to talk about the Hyperledger Healthcare Group, the Hyperledger Public Sector Group. I had the opportunity to talk about the Mitap canada and the network that we worked on and that we designed in the Ministry of Health, it is now the largest blockchain health case in the world, with more than a billion transactions within this network. Just for you to have an idea, this network is a network that came into operation last year, right at the beginning of the pandemic. So I came from the United States at the beginning of March, we stayed inside the Ministry of Health for a while, making solutions for the fight against the pandemic, and then the Ministry of Health made the decision to put it in production in all of us in an escalated manner. And this solution has its own blockchain-based structure with this shared citizen timeline. Basically, the solution is based on three pillars. First, in the reliability of the data, and then, as we are here in the blockchain, nothing is fair to say about the registration that is done on the network, it cannot be altered, this trail remains intact. We work with the data cryptography and we work with the concept of consenting for the citizen to be implemented in the smart contract. So this is implemented today in the smart contract to ensure that the data that is recorded inside the network is recorded, even within the concept of cryptography, of storage of the secure data and the concept of really just delivering information to the citizen of consent. These blocks are distributed between all of us in the network, so they do not guarantee the access to the reliability of the information and the information is dragged into a chain, so there is all the registration of what happened to that node. Let's go into a little more detail about how it works. Electronic providers make a request for a service that we have a micro-service called HRService, it makes communication with Gateway Hyperledia that we implemented, and then it enters into the smart contract. We work with two channels, a channel with storage of the timeline pointers and a second channel with the auditory where we have the information of consent and the information of the log trail, and everything else. So, all of this structure is made in a synchronized way. We have a number of protocols to register this information in the blockchain, and then there is only the title of curiosity for you, a little bit of the architecture that we use. Obviously, this architecture is a little more detailed than it is presented here, but here you can have an idea of how the structure is made. So, we have a consent structure in a channel, we have the timeline of the citizen in another channel, and we have the clinical documents stored in Fire, in a database. Then we are making a change in architecture now. At first, the structure was stored in a PDC, and what we are doing now is the change to a base of chain with some security controls. Just for you to have a little bit of idea of information that is recorded, the National Health Data Network, it works there, especially with the minimum data sets of attendance summary, high sum of immunization, dispensable medicines, and tests carried out. All of this is licensed in LGPD. The blockchain guarantees this privacy structure of consent, and we basically have the whole structure of the sensitive data treatment as LGPD says, the anonymized data treatment for a data lake structure, and also the possibility of portability of the citizen's data. And Render S is also established in a port, which is 1434, in May of last year. So for you to see, it has just been completed, it is to be completed in a year, it completes in a year, in the morning. Just for you to understand a little bit of performance numbers, it runs around 2,000 transactions per second, written reading in AWS, works with the Haft consensus structure with 5NOS, has a Timeline channel and a Log channel, with some private data collections, uses CautiDB. In terms of machines, it runs around, only in the blockchain structure, around 80 machines, and in the Render S structure, around 130 machines. And then one of the most relevant data that we are currently working on inside Render S is the vaccination data from Brazil. Today, all the vaccines that take place in Brazil are registered in the blockchain structure. So they are standardized in a FIRE standard. Basically, the idea of Render S is to be transversal, to be able to attend from the moment of the clinical documents, the health data, the exams, observations, and all the more, to deliver micro-services to work with PEP certified, and also to be able to provide private news, connectivity with your own analytics, and so on. Inside this structure, there is the professional ConnectSus, which is an application for the professional to be able to access the Timeline of the citizen and the mobile ConnectSus, which today has almost 20 million downloads already in Brazil. In addition, all of this already comes with the entire COVID-19 confrontation structure. So the platform has been developed to also provide this COVID-19 support with COVID-19-related exams inside the network, the vaccinations inside the network. Today, there are also data from the international community, and the idea is to evolve it all. Now, all of this is used as an excellent tool for us to engage the patient. So what we are doing inside IASIS is basically allowing this patient to be able to have a more qualified treatment. So, from a preliminary appointment, where we can make this registration of the information of the citizen in this chain and all the trail of what is happening to him, the data of remote monitoring, integration with ERABOS within the structure too, within a blockchain node that we have within our structure, all the connection in LGPD through the portability of the data, we know that the RNDS, throughout the time, it will be a network that will have all the data inside there, but we know that there has to be a complementarity between the public and the private. And at this time, this complementarity is made by means of this integration between the public data and the private data by means of the portability, which is a citizen's right. Another context that is very relevant is the context of electronic prescription. So, there is a trace within our structure of continuity of care, where we have all the trace of electronic prescription from the moment the prescription happens to the moment of dispensation in the blockchain chain, as well as the validation of the data within this chain that helps combat absenteeism, reduce frauds, which today in Brazil, for example, if we talk only about popular medicine, it arrives in order of 7B. We work with the vision of a health avatar for the citizen and the interoperability at this time is the key to unlock this from here so that it is possible that we really have a single vision of the citizen so that we can deliver a telemedicine vision that is really more complete and more adherent to the LGPD, with all the trace of what was happening within the chain. And then I'll give a spoiler a little about what I'm going to talk about in the HyperLED Global Forum this year more related to preventive medicine in practice, which is where we really can be more preventive, more proactive, more personalized, more prescriptive, more partner, delivering with the basis of all this information of the time of the citizen and then I'll give more details in the HyperLED Global Forum, how we do this, what kind of things we use, what are the algorithms, but we can do a follow-up of health more complete of this citizen where we have the full timeline and then with the basis of this we begin to do health monitoring solutions, health capture solutions of life quality indicators, health follow-up solutions for health professionals as a caretaker and a series of things and guaranteeing that the whole chain of health comes to be attended in this global context of health because at the end of the day the timeline of the citizen is a digital representation of our lives it is a digital twin so this digital representation is the best way to do this in a structure where silos are the great truth is to distribute and distribute the best channel this is our goal that we really have a network of interoperability in health integrating public, private states, municipalities and everything else and this is a little bit of our dream the pandemic made our focus return to health and with it a question how to give access to health for everyone? we want to improve people's health giving more quality of life well-being and who knows longevity our safe and reliable solution allows you to take care of your health with the integration and delivery of your data all according to the LGPD we facilitate the medical follow-up through artificial intelligence and algorithms that analyze your records suggesting improvements in treatments health professionals can work in the management of quality of life and well-being of their patients as well as you take care of your finances or trips now you will be able to manage your health with much more simplicity we consult and get in touch with specialists through the CHET or video calls register your symptoms recipes, medicines access your exams and follow up on your treatments integrate your watch and intelligent bracelets to monitor your health and agilize your agnostic all of this in one place be the owner of your own health have it in your soul in your hand and participate in the revolution of quality of life pleasure we are IASIS Health that's it guys I left a space for us to discuss I think it's a theme that ends here if we had two or three hours to talk we would talk with each of the technical details it's a theme that at least I'm very excited about this theme and all of this for us to talk to talk a little about the details that you think are relevant you can ask if you want to Marcos, it's up to you friends, simple I had already attended some R&D sessions you know me, I'm a Hyperledia Fabric initiator he has a degree of complexity he is immense the amount of information stored in him gigantic so with that I'm very happy to be able to participate and hear a little more of the details of this process here we will have some questions people are doing here in the chat there were some comments some answers too I'm just going to have the questions before how was the challenge of LGPD the issue of digital consent recorded in this auditory trail I would like you to talk a little more about the details in relation to that ok, let's go the first thing is that in this context of LGPD when we were discussing this subject in terms of architecture design we talked to the invocations writers of the Ministry of Health all the necessary support so that was a big starting point because generally people who come from the technical world and I particularly come from the technical world we end up getting into the detail of how the solution is solved and not how the legalisms are so this support was very important since the beginning using LGPD besides that when we were designing architecture some of the points that were clear to us were we need to think about some things that are central and when we talk about a project Ministry of Health that has a national visibility and has some contexts that are larger than LGPD because they are licensed in the law 8080 there are a series of things so there are some peculiarities that happened in this project first peculiarity, the right to forgetting this is a controversial theme that we know particularly when I went to present the Global Forum of last year I was very questioned about this how do you do the right to forgetting this challenge we did not need to go to the R&D project we passed other projects but in the R&D not because in the law 8080 the Ministry of Health is responsible for the health data this makes this force of health data for health care is above the right of the citizen because if I forget I don't want you to know he can't take care of my health so the data that is in the law maximum in Brazil it ends up over the LGPD about this specific right to forgetting so the data that is in the blockchain Ministry of Health doesn't have the right to forget he has the right to not show his data forget including the LGPD has a specific health data concerning the consent for health data necessary are implicit and then I created Alan Ramos asks a question about consent when there is the possibility of revoking the consent in the LGD in the R&D and if there is any information there is and then what is the context how this was implemented in practice what we used by default opt-in and by default with the right to opt-out I am in the network and if I want I have to ask to opt-out I can ask to opt-out for example by Koneksus the easiest way that the citizen has to opt-out I can inhibit my data to be presented to a certain health professional in a certain health establishment but there are some exceptions for example glass break what is this scenario the citizen and I need to access it to take care of his health this event is called glass break this is a special record that happens in the R&D and obviously everything that happens with the citizen block the data unblock the data visualization of the data of the citizen is logged in the blockchain so all the log of everything that happened with the citizen is in the second channel which is the channel that is responsible only for this and then obviously what do we do we do two structures I have a macro structure which is the structure of the ledger that tells me to happen an event and the detail is in the PDC because I will not leave all of this within the ledger making millions of data in the whole chain within the R&D this then in terms of volume of data if we put all the data within the ledger we would have a ledger in the 5 petabytes range understood so it is not viable so we made a separation of some things we have a timeline with the context the pointers the information and the information recorded in PDC or in a blockchain example, image and medical you do not make sense to record in the ledger there are a lot of people here who read so for those who do not know PDC is a database that is there together with the blockchain it is transient it is not within that auditory trail it is basically a database not relational within the platform and it can be deleted normal database so that's why it was made I noticed that you were talking that maybe you start replacing the PDC by this external database is this really happening? it is happening we are in the development of the project there is a plan for this to happen we know any change in a network of this size the hole is lower the administration of a network of this size is a crazy thing but everything has a plan of implementation there is a whole trail for us to be able to make these modifications and obviously with performance and so on once we are now with a very large amount of data arriving for example, when we talk about vaccination there was a day of almost two million vaccinations on the day arriving on the blockchain network outside exams outside hospitals so it is a network that tends to grow a lot this goes on to the next question Clarice Porciuncula sorry if I didn't say the right name the question is how is the integration of public systems like municipalities are the main integrations today in relation to R&DS and I would also like to know what are the main applications that are plugged into this network what happens there are some sources of information inside R&DS basically input and output so for example input information inside R&DS there are laboratories that are already today forced to send COVID exams inside the network the vaccinations that are also forced today to send information inside the network and then when we talk about vaccination for example we talk about inclusive integration inside the municipality with ESUS A-B ESUS A-B in PEC in its version 4.1 it already has the context of sending the information besides that there are other systems there are some systems that are working with the information of feeding this network of municipalities of states we also have solutions that work with this bridge of information with R&DS including with the right of the portability of the citizen so the citizen has the right to have access to the portability at any time and we have conditions to do this bridge we are in the states as in the municipalities very good following here I think it's Professor Claudio if I'm not mistaken he is asking if you have already published these data he is making a chapter of interoperability in blockchain and I would like to quote this work it was not published yet but if you are interested Professor we can talk we can go into the details if it is possible to contribute with your work here following Luciana Augusto I would like to know more or less how this division of the channels how you made this part of the channels in relation to each type of Tiano inside the Hyperledia Febra okay, there are two channels basically inside the context one channel is responsible for the work of the information of the timeline of the citizen so the items of the timeline of the citizen are recorded in this channel so it is the channel that we recover for example I want to take the timeline of the data of the map he went to the hospital in Datatau he did the Datatau exam he did the X vaccine in Datatau so this information is in the ledger of the blockchain of the timeline of the brand and at this time the clinical document the information itself is stored in this lateral base that we are talking about with a link obviously between the ledger and this lateral base the other channel it is responsible for inside the smart contract guarantee that the consent was given that is, the patient has inside a configuration that is stored in this second channel and has in this second channel also the record of everything that happened with this patient with the data of the citizen we will ask if this information can be delivered for those who are doing this consultation and then makes this point of go and return so basically these are the two roles of the two channels that we organized inside the network very cool and very well done the solution was very elegant I will follow here the ledger again people I'm sorry I'm not talking correctly about you talking about what happens is the obligation of health to have the PEP implemented was not fulfilled there is a chance another way to supply the data in the NDS then there is then what happens the in view, let's say, of the information they are made through the portal of services in the Ministry of Health then the health provider that the health player who is interested in sending the data they register in the portal of services with their keys and he can respect the format protocol, the way to do the standards send the data to the NDS since authorized by the Ministry then this send the data to the NDS even though in that specific case suppose that the guy does not use the SUSABEL does not use the X system he can do this bridge so at this time this work is a work that we have also done with some laboratories and some clinics to prepare them for the sending of this information then we have this plugin you get to interact with the health integrators imagine we kind of behave like a health integrator with them we do the technological part and they do the part of sending the data if they have a system able to do an integration suddenly something was done between them or some external system can do this integration can only work but it can no, cool there is a question here from Sid Felipe the part of the send ok, understood in case it has to have receiving the hole below there is a little nose there imagine Sid Felipe makes a question which is a little bit of what we already said I will join his question with Antonio Carlos Silva Sid Felipe speaks in the blockchain how are the details recorded in the base, you already talked a little about it and Antonio Carlos Silva is asking about us of the NDS if they are all inside the cloud of the Ministry of Health ok, let's go first I will talk about the data the data that are stored in the city timeline of access points so they are kind of like a summary of what the data is and this information has no sensitive data and that's why it can be in the ledger because as it is shared I can't put sensitive data inside the ledger and that's why we also have the concept of the database as well as the database of chain because it is where the data is stored the clinical data that is sensitive that has to be created and so on about the organization of the network nodes what happens the network is composed by representative orgs of the states so each org is a state except São Paulo which is gulose and has more than one org even by the volume of the network at this moment all this structure is stored in the WS stored in the cloud and who is the tutor of this structure at this moment is the Ministry of Health this does not prevent that the states and municipalities access their nodes individually and not even that in front they want to assemble their own nodes and that there is no harm even because the states and municipalities have information that will be different or more detailed or in other contexts than the Ministry what is our concern is to make these things talk between the RMS as it is these state structures so that they can make these nodes and this happens in a fluid way this is one of the work we are also doing very cool following here, Thiago Ogione is making a more technical question he is asking if the data from the PDC if they are distributed and are accessible by all the network participants he must be asking about the collection policy so to know if these collections are accessible by various orgs or if it is a collection by org no, the context that is made is the following each state has its own org and the access by means of the org let's say, the owner of the information and then obviously in this context I do all the procedure of guaranteeing the consent of the citizen before delivering the data so the guy will hit my information is in the org of Alagoas I will hit the org of Alagoas Alagoas will run the whole smart contract will see if I can access if I can access, I will deliver the data to him very cool Douglas Morirda asking how this relation of the ledger and of the database of change in relation to these information there is a link between these information and there is a structure of a hash for let's say the recording of that information was in that particular state that hash is recorded inside the ledger of the blockchain to guarantee that if someone goes to the base of the chain of a manual alteration the hash of this information will not hit the hash that is in the ledger and as we have the guarantee that the ledger is sovereign at this time we know that there was an alteration and that it was forged for some reason very cool very cool here Douglas and I really liked this answer let me ask when we talk technical we like to enter a little deeper what was the programming language of the smart contract of the chaincode used to be made in the RDS Goleng you are courageous root, we are root Goleng here I am very happy to know that Goleng it is a matter of speed of course faster but of course the speed in the blockchain it depends on several factors and following this line you have reached 2,000 2,000 transactions per second there was some process of optimization you can say what were the obstacles to get there to reach a great speed in relation to that we had a great work to understand that we had 3 months of proof of concept just to be able to tune the structure to tell the particularity to you the project lasted in terms of implementation, 6 months of 6 months, 3 months were just proof of concept so in this context we ended up making the proof of concept in the 3 clouds Azure and AWS we did performance tests in the 3 clouds we did stunning in the 3 clouds so it was a great work we changed the process of consensus in the middle of the path changed the way of storage in the middle of the path changed the type of bank changed the type of language, changed a lot for us to get to this process it was a process of optimization for us to get to this number it was expensive and I follow in my doubt not only in the matter of speed of the network but in relation to the stabilization of the data those who work with health information know that there is a range of options I am a layman in the subject but every time I talk to specialists I took a class in Fire SNOMED CT things that for me is Greek but I see that this has an extreme importance in relation to patronization and data ontology for health specialists this makes a big difference how was the challenge I saw the specialists working together with you how did you get to today what exists today in the data this was also a big job that was done by many hands just for you to understand the Brazilian standard before was OpenAir that came from a port of land in 2011 we ended up having a series of discussions many, many with many people on the table with specialist people from Laid Car for us to get this conclusion and in the end the decision was made by Fire mainly because of the flexibility of the light and then this ended in time proving an extremely right decision today in terms of maintenance in the network our effort is much, much, much smaller than what we had chosen OpenAir and Antonio Carlos if Fire is mandatory to interact with R&DS mandatory Fire is mandatory to enter data in R&DS there was another resolution because I remember this resolution of 2011 that was there talking about OpenAir there was another resolution the port the port of 2020 came getting this this directories even creating the Brazilian Fire that is published today in Simplify so all this work it came being made of standardization and there is a port that normalizes wonderful, cool one last question here Douglas Moreira is asking what was the data bank that was chosen to replace Mongo MongoDB another great option Guys, here we are I am particularly extremely satisfied both here with our audience with the questions especially here with the class of our speaker a great satisfaction to be able to know one of the biggest projects of Hyperledia Fabric of the world in the area of health in several items or bigger projects of the world a huge amount of information so I am extremely satisfied here to be able to do this presentation we are arriving I think it is our end so from my part here I just have to thank the student everyone who watched the event we can continue and get to know along with the future the news that RnDS and IAZES, represented here by Lidia Orgens will present to the market using here the blockchain technology so finishing here there are two more questions we have five minutes I will continue here with these two questions just to be able to finish Luciano Augusto asking the students what is the advantage of using the PDC in relation to the basis of the blockchain ok, actually what happens if we had a context and I will explain a little the detail of what happened we had a context of the PDC which for us was more natural because it was already something let's say native of the blockchain of the structure itself so for us it seemed natural the use of the database the DB site the structure with all the structure what we ended up seeing over time was that our capacity of reconstruction of us on the network was extremely reduced just for you to have an idea for us to rebuild a node in São Paulo is something of ten days when we talk about using the developer is beautiful for him it's all fast, it's all ready I'm not going to use this when we do maintenance on the network of this size then the animal takes it there is some documentation this question from Antonio Carlos da Silva there is some documentation about all this, a technical documentation about this project I don't know so here we are finishing another Meetup Hyperledia Brasil as I said in my part I just want to thank the presence of the Diogenes and from now as I said wait for the news about the health as last news last important reports now at the beginning of June Hyperledia Global Forum we will be we will be posting we will be talking about the news everyone has several actions are you going to talk again or Diogenes? 10 I will talk about new things there I will talk about using Hyperledia and artificial intelligence it's a new thing I don't want to spoil just a little but there I will open the door very good people, thank you calm down there are also marks on the TDC Connections in the Oracle room will present a new product a better project than a product that is sensational I was very impressed there will be a lot of things in this June Global Forum Diogenes there will be people from the chapter and there will be marks and more people from the chapter on the TDC in the Oracle room on the 9th besides that there are a series of other things that we are planning a lot of things are happening TDC is a major event of development in Brazil Golédia is launching his library Hyperledia Ferb Open Source listen Diogenes sensational very cool I saw a sneak peek sensational I was impressed very good people I would like to thank Marcos once again for promoting this session as always I brought a sensational guest I am most satisfied to be able to watch because this enlarges me Diogenes thanks to the Hyperledia community for bringing all this work sincerely I hope to see you more often talking more about these news in the event of the second semester and talking about something like that because without a doubt you have a lot to add thanks in the name of the chapter I believe that Marcos is also very happy with what you presented to us today thanks people for the space for the opportunity I think it's always good to have this attitude to share I think who adds between us here he multiplies so in fact who shares has to multiply and I think that's what we have to leave with connections, with possibilities with new ways to do including Marcos I want to know your project thank you very much thank you good night