 Still on the commemoration of the NSAS protest, we're being joined by legal practitioners Benad O'Niga and Inibirre Ifyong. Thank you very much, gentlemen, for joining us. Thank you, Benad, for joining us. It's very interesting, Barca Inibirre, because it's one year down the line, one year later. I think the first thing I read today when I woke up was from Amnesty International talking about justice for those who have been harassed by police, brutalized and even killed by police officers, which was what necessitated the NSAS protests in the first instance. And now, of course, we have people who were killed at the Lecky Tollgate. We've had panels set up, and yet no justice seems to be in sight. So where do we really go from here? And looking at all the things that have transpired today in Lagos and in Abuja, does this give you any item of hope as to justice being served for all the people that are involved? I'm not surprised that one year after, on the first anniversary of the NSAS movement of protest, we are still confronted with the monstrosity of police brutality. It is not surprising to me, because the issues that gave back to the protests in the first place have not been addressed in those terms that have been made, or no serious effort has been made to reform the police, to instill this discipline in that institution. That explains why, to the average policeman, it is still the same cycle of impunity and lawlessness. That explains why you would have a commissioner of police in Lagos, come out publicly to challenge the rights of citizens to gather peacefully and to spread themselves. It is because the police remains that lawless institution of states, that repressive institution of states. For me, the danger ahead might be taking cognizance off, because the way we are going at the country, we may get to a point, in fact, we will ultimately get to a point where citizens would have to resort to some help, and that would be very catastrophic for Nigeria. I'd like to take you to another thing that I woke up to this morning, which for some people is heartbreaking. I'd like to read directly. The minister of information, Mr. Lai Mohamed, did say, and I'd like to quote, as the nation max one year of ensass today, he insisted that the claimed massacre during the ensass protest at the Lekitou was a phantom, and that's exactly what he said. He said this during a news press briefing in Abuja this morning, of course. He said that the reason why this is making news is because of the media, he's accusing the media and even foreign media for making all of this up and that it never really happened. So I'm wondering to myself, if this didn't happen, could we have made up that video where bullets were being taken out of protesters at the toll gate? I remember that night. I was watching that live feed. I'm trying to understand why a simple DJ in this country would get soldiers to come to the toll gate, shoot at people, and then maybe make it all up and turn off the lights at the toll gate. And then some people end up dying and some people end up losing body parts. So help me make sense of it. If it was a phantom, we could make a great movie out of what happened at that toll gate, if none of it was true. Couldn't we? You know, I particularly like your usage of the word movie because in the movie called The Bawari Regime, Minister Layne Muhammad has taken it upon himself to play the role of a comedian. The man entertains the country for a living. He had the unique way of tripping serious national issues and he believed this would distract Nigeria from the palpable failure of The Bawari Regime. So when you hear him make these ludicrous comments, when you see him, you do live in an alternative universe, where facts do not matter, where truth are irrelevant, you must certainly bear meals. Nigeria is a way, the international community are familiar with what happened. We do not need a propaganda agent of state of The Bawari Regime to tell us what happened and what didn't happen. The facts speaks for themselves, like we know how to say racism, lukwicho. So for me, there was nothing like a phantom massacre. There was actually a massacre because people were killed, people were attacked, people had their limbs, people destroyed, people were, some people have been amputated. In fact, today I was watching videos of some of the victims of the Lekhi Toget, including the mother who was whipping today on TV about the son who was killed at the Toget. But they keep asking, where is the body, where are the bodies, where are the victims and they keep saying it even till the point, even if they were to be lowered into the graves. They have suddenly chosen to challenge and contest the truth. So it doesn't matter to them whether the victims have come out or not. But what we must bear in mind is that when the military invaded the Toget, they said it was fake news that the soldiers only fired into the air. It's only a blank ammunition they had. No live rounds was used. They later admitted at the Lagos panel, General Tywo, I was present during the testimony of the army on that day that they had live rounds. Evidence had seen the image that people were killed at the Toget. But why should we bother about the opinion of live women? They have lied about everything from the state of the economy to the state of having security in the country, to the war against corruption, the war against insurgency. There is hardly anything about this regime that one can see truth stated in its clear form. So as regards the SARS protests or the anniversary of the NSTAS, is it not amusing that you still have this man coming out after one year to still say the same line of destruction, the same tissues of lies to distract Nigerians from the tragedy that happened? It's interesting. Bernard, you seem to be the NBA lead counsel at that Lagos panel. So you were there every single day. You saw the people who came to testify. I remember one of the videos that continues to lead right through my head is that man who was amputated that showed up at the panel and accused the police of doing this to him. But if Mr. Lai Mohamed is insisting that this didn't happen, we have a panel that sat. Is there any proof whatsoever that this day happened and the army was at that place and that people were shot at and that people were killed? Of course, he's making a case here. He's saying that most of the claims of the killings were false and misleading. And most of those who made the claims of losing people were yet to show up and give evidence even after a year. So help us out here. I think the Leonard gentlemen and minister for communication with all due respect. I would borrow the word of my Leonard friend, seem to be living in an imaginative planet. The proceedings at the Lagos and Sars panel has been concluded. We did conclude proceedings on Monday, which was the 18th, if I'm correct. And Nigerians came out, the Gossians came out to testify at that panel. General Taiwo, whom I did cross-examine on behalf of the Nigerian bar situation, did admit that they were at the toll gate. He did admit that the bullets were fired. The only issue for determination, of which we already know the answer, because we saw Nigerians who came up, they were being treated in hospitals. The chief medical director of a Vedic life care was there. Most of the hospitals around the lekkie corridor, the CMD were at the panel. The chief pathologies of Lagos, it was at the panel to say that during the period of the answers, over 90 bodies were picked across Lagos. Of course, I know as a government official, he's too scared to say it was at the lekkie toll. Let's be very frank, across Lagos. But let us agree that it is across Lagos. Now, the government is supposed to set up a coroner's inquest also. Let us know exactly what locations were those and what nature of injuries do we have on those bodies. Are there bullet shots? Are there stab injuries? These are all very important and very critical. So nobody is asking the question, if the incident of 20th of October 2020, the massacre did occur. No. What we are waiting for now is to get a robust list of Nigerians who are empowered by taxpayers' monies, giving a uniform to we are giving ammunitions to fight the enemies of state borrador, taunting the ammunitions against the people and against young people. We should be, we are waiting for a list so we can name and shame them, vilify them, prosecute them and send them to prison when they belong. Is that not going to happen? And I don't want to be a naysayer, but have we had a precedence of these naming and shaming, except we have them held by red-handed and then that's when we see a few dismissals or, you know, but do we see that happening with the body language of the police? Look at what happened today and the man, the young man who was advocating for police welfare was grabbed by the police manhandled and thrown into a van. So really, is there any justice in Nigeria? When we talk about justice in its reality, will we see that ever happening? The mother who lost her son, the brother whose brother was killed by a policeman, the father who had to go to a particular place that it was like a lake of dead bodies to take his own son from it because he was dumped there after he was tortured by the police. Are they ever going to get justice? You see, that's the reason why it's important that a panel of inquiry that is made up of people like you and I, citizens, Nigerians, legosians, was set up by the legislative government, right direction, right step. We are waiting for the report of that panel. And I have confidence in the chairman and the members of that panel. They have distinguished in their field and endeavors and they have made contributions to the growth of society in their field. So I am hoping that the report of that panel will be comprehensive enough that it will list names of airing officers and officials. It will recommend prosecution. Now the big question we should be asking, this report is going to get to the table of the executive governor of Lagos State. It will also get to the decks of Mr. President, who is the commander in chief of the armed forces. So I think the question we should be asking is if the executive governor of Lagos State, Mr. Bajidisang Wolu and the commander in chief of the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, will have the political will to implement that report to the letter? Well, that's the big question, Mark. And that's the big question every Nigerian is wondering if the answer will be forthcoming. But also thank you, gentlemen. We have very limited time. We have to take a quick break in Nibir Refiyon. And of course, Ben Adoniga, our legal practitioners. And these are people who have their nose in what's happening in terms of answers. Thank you very much, gentlemen, for taking time out of your very busy shuttle to be here. Thank you. All right. We'll take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll be talking to Nigerians in Diaspora and of course, the foreigner looking from the outside in, taking a view of what's happening in Nigeria. We'll be right back.