 I'm the quiet one out of me and Daniel. Danny's a very volatile individual. Very, more than most. So, when we're in this cell, they call it a room, but we're in a cell. We're getting frustrated. We'll be coming up happy. So we start banging doors, trying to get their attention. Cos they're just ignoring us now. They're putting up with the banging. Been banging for an hour. They're not even coming to the door. We're two young kids. He's 12, I'm 13. We're freezing. We've had no food. We've just been dragged out on this room. We start smashing up. You say Danny's a more volatile one, but do you think you've tried to be a father figure for him? Is not as wild to try and tame him a bit? I think what it was with Danny was he couldn't control himself the way I could. Because I had a man called Sam. Sam's worth, Neil's worth, prison guard. I remember Neil Samwaith asking me on Kiwing on a land in strange ways. Not so far back. I'm writing a book. Can I mention you in it? I said you can mention this. I'm okay. And he done exactly that. So I've got to respect him for that. He's a nice guy. I said nobody likes to screws. But he says your brother, he's in prison with some of the most fearsome men in the UK. But he says there's a 1% of prisoners who are proper. And he says Danny is in that 1%. And he said that Danny beat up 10 guards. And he's not lying. You've got to understand what it is with Danny, mate. Let me bring you back to why Danny is the way he is. We're in Dyson Hall. We end up smashing the cell. We're taking hide-ins off men. We're getting twisted up by men. This Tim Nons. We're getting twisted up by these men. We're getting battered. They can't deal with us so they separate us. So in the early hours of the morning, bang, they burst the room. They coughed for Danny. Six or seven of them. He's scrapping with them. He doesn't want to go. But the man handle him. The proper batter him, he's a 14. He's a 13, you know, 12 years actually. The batter him, they took him away and put him into the secure unit. So in Dyson Hall you've got some units then you've got the secure unit. Now I never seen Danny then until I was 16 in a YP prison. So from that age, he's taken from, we split up and then I'm not seeing. We don't see each other for time. Next time he sees it in HMP all course. Danny went into the secure system and whilst he was in that secure system they couldn't control him. So they used their tactics and their methods to manipulate and condition him to the way they want him to think. But he didn't have it. He rebelled. The only thing they could do with him to calm him down was put him in a gym. So three times a week from the age of 12 Danny by Dyson Hall by a fella called Peter Dooley who worked there, Scouser was getting took to a gymnasium three times a week to calm him down. And all that done to him was made him bigger, big, strong, more disciplined. Next time he got out of there he had red air to be here and he looked like the hulk so the next time I've seen Danny then was in a YIP unit called all course. We hadn't seen each other for years. Someone stepped on one of our toes. We put him in hospital and then smashed the unit down. Smashed the whole unit and they separated in the prison system from that day on. I've never been in a prison with Danny. So what we've done as young offenders implemented on us as cons we could never be in the same prison together me and Danny ever because of how volatile we become when we're together. It's like cutting in half when your aunt is ruthless but together it's unstoppable. Why do you think that is? Protecting each other? I think it's where we've been through a life of vile and behaviour and we've always been together. In our house me and Danny were targeted by my dad. So me and Danny built the most. Me and Danny were tied to the bed. Me and Danny were whipped with a belt locked in a room. All this stuff, that's me and Danny. The rest never got this treatment. Just me and Danny got this treatment. And I think when we were getting locked in a room and when the dad's coming in to give us a good hiding Danny's jumping on his back to back me up and when Danny's getting the hiding I'm jumping on my dad and trying to back my dad. Do you understand? And Danny's been in since 2010. They didn't even give him a sentence. Danny's been in custody before. Yeah, 2010 he went into custody. He's IPP prisoner. So initially he charged him with conspiracy to murder on some kid called Jamie Stark. He was now shot dead. He got it hung jory. Well this kid shot Danny. And then a few months later he got shot dead. But anyway, he got it hung jory. They offered him a deal. That was conspiracy to murder. They offered him a deal. Conspiracy to possess firearms with intent. Now if you're getting locked out of 30 wreck or a 7 you're going to go guilty aren't you? So he's gone guilty to the conspiracy to possess but they've shagged them up the arse basically and IPPed them. So when the gold year ruling they're meant to tell you or indicate what they're going to give you and in that indication you've said to him we're going to give you a 7 to 10 years straight sentence. Soon as he's thrown his hands in and all that they've IPPed them with a 5 wreck that was 210. And here we are 222 and he's got no prospect of release.