 All right, then we will call this meeting to order for April 8th, 2021 for the Longmont Housing and Human Service Advisory Board. Our first item on the agenda is public invited to be heard. And I don't believe that we have anyone waiting to be heard. No, we just had the one gentleman who wanted to observe and hopefully he'll pop in. All right. So our second item is approving the minutes from the March 11th meeting. We'll check that we have both Karen and Brian here because we may not be able to vote on. I'm here. The organizer apparently has turned off my right to have the video which we speak to my appearance. Okay. Sorry, Brian. That was me. As you walked away, I turned off your video and I forgot to have you move it again. Still it's you, Mr. Coho's with the power. It went to my head. Okay. Do we have a motion to approve or any questions about it? Diana. I was just going to say I actually wasn't at the last board meeting so I was going to abstain from voting to approve, but does that cause an issue with quorum? Nope. I moved to approve the minutes from the last meeting. Okay. We have a second. Okay. Karen Phillips is seconded all those in favor of approving the minutes from the last meeting. Please raise your hand. Okay. So we've got five all opposed. Zero. Any abstentions? Diana is abstaining. All right. The minutes are so approved. Yes. Diana. You're muted. Sorry, I should have raised it initially, but the minutes did reflect that no members were absent at the last meeting and I was absent. So they should be amended to reflect that I wasn't there. I think. Thank you for that. Karen, we're good there. Do we need, we don't need to do anything else. I assume. Yeah, we didn't include her, but we didn't indicate that she was absent. You know, good help these days. Make that, we'll make that correction. Thanks, Karen. All right. Um, the next item on the agenda is the site visit matrix review and the site visit report. I believe that starts with you, Ellie Berto. It does. And I need a second to get the site matrix up so I can share it. Sure. Give me one second. Juggling your many roles on this meeting, including a technical advisor. Okay. Almost there. I just want to share that I, the million dollar idea in my life that I'm not going to do is making t-shirts that say you're on mute. I'm pretty sure somebody's done that already. Yeah. I believe that's a, that's happening. All right. Somebody else can have it. You're just about a year late, but that's a ride. I wish you were on mute. Oh my, I will say that it's been a while since we've had anyone joined with a very interesting name put by like a child or someone that they share a zoom account with. But you know, a friend of mine joined a 500 person company wide zoom the other day and had had the name that was put in place by her seven year old son. So she was, I'm not actually going to repeat what it was, but I'll leave it to your imagination because we're recording you know, yes, I'm going to imagine what that was while Ellie Berto finishes getting his presentation ready. I'm good. I'm going to get the, the, the matrix up. Okay. Here we go. Can you all, can you all see my screen? Yes. And it's, it's really what I'm asking the board is any input. I mean, we talked about this is what we think we want and I put it together. The question is, is this really what we want? Are there other things you want me to add at this point? It's pretty basic, but I wanted to start with something and I did start with the two agencies that we have done site visits and Diana's going to share about her site visit that we did. Um, but just wanted to start there. This is the site visit majors and basically what the board had asked for is they want to know what was the funded amount, what did they get last year outcome measures that they, that they contracted for this year. And if we had them prior years now, interestingly, the first two agencies that we have did site visits are new agencies or newer agencies that have not. So we don't have any prior years outcomes to for them. But I'm just wondering, is there anything else that you all want to see on this or that would be helpful for your site visits? Um, is I have a quick question before Brian is the intention here for this to be what the board members use when we do the site visit or to fill it or to present when they're presenting to the group or no, I think the use case for this matrix. I the way that I took the way that I took it. Kaylin, when we first talked about it, is it the board wanted some more specific information besides the application? Right. They wanted to know what, what, what, what were they funding the past? How had they done with their contract? You know, what outcomes had they, had they reached or achieved? It wasn't necessarily about presentation. It was more background information was my understanding. But again, that's what I understood. That could be wrong. So background information where essentially you would help fill in this information before the board member does the site visit. And that's what I've done. I sent it before the board member has done the site visit. And so the board member goes into the site visit with this information. Got it. Okay. Brian, you had a question or comment. Yeah, thank you. One thing that I think would be helpful or any staff notes that could be useful for us to follow up on during a site visit or ask about, I know that in the past we've had agencies that maybe had like longstanding board issues or diversity kinds of questions. And I think the site visit can be a good time just to learn a little bit more about what kind of steps they're taking. So I will say that that type of information typically if there is an issue is in and I do send this as well to the board members is my desk audit because it does ask about. So if I have, if I have concern, then I many times I'll put it in the in the desk audit typically it's been more on the documentation site. For example, a lack of a grievance process or just you know, no or a lack of a board nomination process or other things are missing or and sometimes I'll even put things that I think are really good. Like for example, somebody had a really great strategic plan. And I'll say I'll put in the notes. This is a really good strategic plan. So. Okay, thank you. Kimberly. I was just wondering if the number of individuals served would be in the prior year's outcomes or is there another document that would share that like the number of people. Well, I could add I could add I could add that to this document too. I'm not sure if there's a more appropriate place, but it would be nice to know they're they're in. No, I think there's a good place for it. Yeah, that's a good place for it. I can add it along those lines. I think it might be interesting the funding amounts and the prior year funding amounts. Two things I thought of is if it's possible to pull it easily is their annual budget overall. So we can understand like how does the city's funding play into their overall budget. We have somewhere the city funds a good percentage of what they're doing and somewhere the city is like little tiny amount of their total of their total programming budget. For me, it helps seeing that context of where they're getting their funding next from. And then the second thing I was thinking of is we have some agencies who there's not going to be prior year funding amounts or prior year outcomes, but they have a flight in the past and then they they were rejected and then then they were accepted. Do we I don't know if there's any thing that would be useful from the fact that like they previously hadn't been funded or they had and then they weren't again. I don't know if that's helpful information for other board members that might be getting a little too like granular to be helpful for a site visit. So so the budget one question is easier to answer because that's you could always just pull up the application or I could I could download the application from the EC impact site. So we could do that because their budgets are there. Right. And so are there financials from the application? Um, the yeah, I would question how deep you want to go into this. I mean, yeah, we changed. We changed the site visit to be less, you know, it was very structured and then we kind of went the other way and then it feels like the pendulum swinging it back, which is fine. I'm just that that's fine that the board has discretion to do that. I'm just pointing out that the pendulum back to a more structured in this case. I'm thinking like having structure for the information a board member has going into it. And then we also talked about having a structure for the for board members presenting out to the rest of the board so that or some like, you know, way of sharing that information other than just an oral report where it can be hard to track like what information there was. I don't think I mean my personal opinion is that I don't think we should like say, oh, board members should be asking about XYZ. Like I would like to use everyone's sort of knowledge and experiences and perspectives, different perspectives because I think that we all bring different perspectives to the site visits. And I'd like to lean into that, but having enough information that board members would find helpful. I think is that that strikes me as what we're trying to do here is have sufficient information so board members can be prepared going into those and not just the flailing, which is what you know, I do if I don't know enough information sometimes. So yeah, that's fine. I think like most of the stuff you're asking for is pretty I mean, like I said, the applications are there. The ones about being rejected. And then I know I can go back, but because I can get you all previous funding round applications, you know, I as I said that and talked about it. I don't think it's necessary. I don't think that's as useful. So it's a lot of work for low gain. So let's set that aside. Okay. Deanna. So the only thing I was going to add is that, you know, for like a new agency, this matrix, you know, that we can't really plug any of this information in for really a new agency. Right. So I don't know if we and maybe it's just not possible, but I don't know if we need to think of some additional ways to sort of measure some of this stuff for a new agency. I mean, I felt like I sort of, I mean, you were talking about floundering a little bit in terms of coming up with the site visit matrix for the site visit. It was hard to conceptualize this for me because it's a new agency and there's not really a lot to plug into it. So I don't really have a suggestion for that. I guess. So that's maybe this is not entirely helpful, but I'm just saying that I don't know that this matrix is really very useful necessarily for a new agency. Well, we still have the current funded amount in the outcome measures that from their current application, right, of what they say they're doing. Right. The visit is an opportunity to check in on whether they're like how those things are going and what's happening, I guess. Deanna, to your point, do you think that pulling any, I mean, if, if we have just a copy of their application where they explain like going into that site visit. I feel like now that I've seen applications, I have a better sense of what agencies are doing. But when I did my first site visit, I was like, sure, let's talk about it. But I didn't fully connect what they were doing with what I was asking. And so maybe even just having a copy of the application plus this matrix is enough to help me formulate questions. Yeah. And Elliberto sent me the desk, got it for it too. So I had some background for it. I mean, it may just simply be that for new agencies that there's not necessarily a great matrix that we can even develop. I'm just saying it was a little conceptually, especially I guess, because as a first one, it was conceptually challenging for me to figure out how to plug the stuff into this. Got it. Councilwoman Christensen. While you were talking, not ignoring you, but we have on them associated with our website, we have a really interesting budget prioritization page that shows you for those of you who think visually shows you exactly how our budget is broken down in little colored slots. And it's interesting because of course, everybody else has big giant color blocks and housing and human services has little tiny little bits of very many different colors folks, but I just sent that link to Karen and Elliberto and they can pass it on. But if you type in the year you want and you want to look at how our budget is broken down, it's a it's really interesting and it's an interesting tool to play with. You can see how everything is allotted, but you can find it to yourself by going to the finance department and budget prioritization on the city website. Great. Thank you. Karen Roney. So one one logistical thing. So Elliberto, do you want to stop sharing your screen? So so Michael has now joined the meeting. So would you let him in and then he did. I did let him in and he is muted and his video is on. Got it. Thanks. Thanks. So then my second thing is is and this and this gets back to what you know what Deanna was just kind of you know, thinking about as far as what else to include for agencies that are newly funded and I don't know Caitlin if this would be helpful, but maybe maybe for new agencies that this might be where any kind of comments that the advisory board made in the in their evaluation process. You know of that agency, maybe that's where that information could go because if there were some concerns or if there were comments that advisory board members made, you know that that could be information that would be helpful. I don't know just just throwing that out there. Yeah, we don't really use the comments in other and when we were doing like the evaluation of them. So I could actually see that being useful for all of the agencies. So if we when we do the if we get a copy of the application Deanna when you got the copy was it just their application or did we also have the evaluation of it? Well, there's 10 of you evaluating. So individually and get the comments and put in the documents. Okay. So but maybe for new I mean even just getting overall scores so we have a sense of where they fell in in things could be helpful. I don't they've all been funded. They were all high at the highest scoreings in of what we got. So so I guess my question go ahead. I guess my question Katelyn is what what is it that we want from this matrix? What what what's this? I'm gonna steal that thing from Karen. What's our what's our tragic need that we need to to meet because because yeah I mean I'm fine doing whatever I just want to make sure that we're providing you as board members that which you feel you need to do this job best way possible. Deanna you mentioned not being sure what to plug into these but this looks like to me this looks like stuff that like Ellie Berto is going to provide to us so you wouldn't be plugging information into these necessarily but my question to you is our is what you're looking for something to help like guide the questions you're asking or information to bring what information you need to bring back to the board or something else. So when I had talked to a little bit about this agenda last week he had and I talked about sending something out to the board that I had prepared and I frankly just didn't get it together because I wasn't exactly sure what to put together and that may simply as I say just be a function of the fact that it's really the first sort of time because I looked at the matrix and I was like man I have no idea what to plug into the some of these categories right so but maybe once we do a couple of these it'll be more obvious but I sort of I wasn't sure what to include in the package so I kind of got bogged down and didn't do it so does that answer your question Caitlin. Yeah so it sounds to me like so it would be helpful probably to have this whatever this matrix is filled out when when a board after board so okay I'm going to there's two uses for this particular matrix one is helping the board member who is going to the site visit to have some background information for asking questions. The second would be to include it with the board packet when that board member is presenting on the organization so that the rest of the board members have some context for any comments. Additionally it sounds like and for forgive me if I'm wrong here is it would be helpful to have a couple of questions or some kind of template that board members fill out after a site visit with information that they would want to share with the rest of the board that would also get sent out in the packet when they're presenting so that there's sort of some written information as well as you know a board member presenting on that site visit. Does that seem like so I'm hearing like two different needs that were one is for board members going to the site visit and one is for board members receiving information about someone else is someone else having conducted a site visit. So there are two different things to solve for Graham. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate the casual nature of the site visits and I think that any background information such as this matrix is really just going to help. In cases where you know let's say an agency is applied year after year and they fail to get funding or they get less than great funding because there's some issue that they they're constantly failing on and it just it would be a missed opportunity to have one of us meet with them and not address that issue if it's long standing. So maybe a matrix isn't appropriate for every agency but you know if agency X just constantly is not working on board diversity then maybe that's something worth bringing up when you're doing a site visit and talking about that. But I don't know. I guess maybe I'd be interested to hear from staff what kind of conversation has had post post awarding or not awarding to these agencies reach back out and really want to understand why they didn't get the full award and what it is they really need to work on and own that or is it just like oh like a report card where you just sort of throw it in the trash and on with your life. At least that's what I do with report cards. Councilwoman Christensen did you have a comment on this section. You still have like the electronic hand raised but I'm not sure if it's still up from the previous time. I don't have a comment. Okay. Thanks for asking on Zoom. Can you I think there's something to like unraise your hand maybe. I'm not okay. Elie Berto. Yeah, no I think this is really helpful. This this last piece was really helpful because it gives direction on it's not just about the background information. I can provide applications I could whatever but it's really the the the need also is or that needs to be met is giving the board the tool a tool to help present. And so I could I could come up with some some or to call them either questions or or aspects of this that you find most valuable that we could plug into this matrix to be like a two-section matrix right the first part is my information to you. The second part is what the board what the board member wants to share with the with the board. Yeah and it could be a simple I mean for that part it could be as simple as saying like you know you know were there were there any highlights of the visit were there any concerns in the visit were there any particularly compelling stories or pieces of information that came out during the conversation like we could leave it there. The idea would be to be very broad and just support folks in bringing that information to the board. I think one of the concerns folks that was I did a site visit and then I present on it four months later and I don't necessarily remember and if we have just a little bit of process like it doesn't have to be a ton to Graham's point the casual nature of these is really allows us to establish some of those relationships with it and then just giving folks a little bit to share that with the rest of the board. Some people do very well with just an oral presentation some people really like to see a couple of notes written down and so I think having both is is helpful. Do you feel like we're in a good spot on this L.E. Berto does anyone else have any other comments about this matrix or what we need for site visits going forward. Okay we'll move on to the next item on the agenda hi Madeline welcome. Hi thank you thanks Karen yeah you're welcome. The next item is the housing and human services advisory board role in the city budget process and increasing funding for human services set aside. I am not sure who is speaking to this. That that would be me. Okay great. You are up then Karen to I see I see that of an intro here. So so this some this item came off of the list of of things for the work plan list that we generated back in January I believe so so this is really twofold I think one just to talk about the the upcoming budget process and and then to to find out what else the the board had in mind regarding this this topic. So I believe when we were having this conversation back in January there was also some you know some comments or some questions about you know can the advisory board have roles in you know like when the city is considering grant funding or basically to have input in other budget kinds of issues or other financing for human services beyond what you have direct control over if you will so that's kind of the second part of this. So in in the next couple of months. Staff will be working on the twenty twenty two budget and and and so just a reminder for those of you who have been on the board and also for new advisory board members is two years ago we went before the city council and had a discussion about basically different strategies or approaches for increasing the amount of general fund revenues that are set aside for human service agency grants that you all you know manage the at that point in time when we had the conversation the amount of the percentage of general fund revenues set aside for human service agency funding was two point zero five percent. And the advisory board had a recommendation that we wanted to move that percentage up to three percent three percent was there was some it wasn't just necessarily something pulled totally out of the air but but it it was actually it was it was a goal that the that in two thousand and seven two thousand and eight that we were pursuing we were pursuing at that point in time and increase to three percent and we made it the first year with the with the city council and then as you recall what was happening back in 2008 or so was that we you know we had a pretty significant recession and so we were just trying to we were just trying to keep our service levels with decreasing revenues and so we did not pursue a further increase we increased it for one year but we did not make it up to the up to the three percent. So a couple of years ago we decided to try that again. The the the trigger for that if you will I want to trigger the compelling reason to to to consider that again was that we had also the previous year we had allocated we took us a significant significant amount of dollars that used to go into the competitive grant process and we we allocated about seven hundred thousand dollars or so for our homelessness and and homeless prevention services. So we took that off of the of the amount that we had available for human service agencies. So so it helped us to address a compelling need in the community but we we did so if you if you will on the on the backs of the agencies that had been counting on and relied on city grant funding to fund basically our our social determinants of health services. So so our reason two years ago was to go back to city council was to say you know hey we would like to keep the you know basically keep the funding that we have available for addressing homelessness and and for homeless prevention services. We'd like to keep that amount but we would like to be able over time to build back up the amount that's available to the human service agencies through the competitive grant process so so that was a direction actually that we we gave council several scenarios and what council landed on was that we would work over a three year period to to increase the to to increase the amount of set aside funding up to up to 3%. So we made a jump in 2020 that went up to I think 2.37% and then of course in the 2021 budget we were dealing with covid impacts and it's like and anytime we try to increase human service agency funding we have a financial disaster so I think we should maybe not do that anymore I don't know but anyhow but but the council was committed to continuing to increase the funding because obviously you know they were able to see the the value of the services that we fund and and that our community was relying on a lot of the services that we fund particularly during that economic crisis and so we'd ask to go up to I think 2.7% but what council did do is they did increase the percentage of set aside funding to 2.52% so we did have an increase it wasn't as much as we asked for but we got but the human services did receive more an increase in funding more so than a lot of the other services that basically were at a at a flat maintenance level so so so this year in the in the 2022 budget you know I think what what's what staff will do is is to go ahead and crank that request up to the up to that 3% so that we will continue to have so you know so that we will build back up funding that that the agencies would have had that basically I was looking for the amount it basically would restore restore funding to the to the level that we had in I think in 2019 before we for 2018 one more 2017 pre 2017 numbers because that's when you okay that is that in dollar amount you mean that it would restore just in dollar amount right to to get it back to that level and then with again with the with this the percentage of set aside as revenues increase or is a you know decrease you know the the funding will you know will go up or be reduced based on that so our goal was to get it back to the amount that that was available through the competitive process 2017 pre-20 while in 2017 and and then be able to continue to build it from there so so you know so that's that really is the the background and and I guess if the advisory board has any other thoughts about that you think well just want to throw that out there so what we would be requesting in the 2022 budget was to to bump that up to up to that 3% set aside unless the advisory board had other thoughts or ideas that you would want to provide around that Brian and you Caitlin so I'm fully in support of asking for that increase I think the economic projections for 2022 are looking pretty good at this point and if they're not the money is needed which is the the conundrum that we live in is that when the economy is good the funding is better in the need of slower and when the economy is bad the need is higher in the funding isn't as good so I certainly support asking for it and I think at some point we should also entertain discussions of other potential funding mechanisms that are dedicated to health and human services specifically health. Councilwoman Christensen in support of this and I what do I know but I really do think that maybe everybody but one person would would maybe all of them would support this so I hope we can do this because really just to bring it up to what it was 5 years ago was kind of kind of sad but you know we really have had a lot of difficult times over the last 8 years. So anyway I hope we have a good chance of getting this past. Kimberly I'm definitely in support as well and I'm curious just to know per capita how the funding compares between 2017 and the 3% that's being proposed for 2022 if we're maintaining the per capita over time when we compare those 2 years or if it's drop just just curious because that might be something to consider in the future hopefully as the economy strengthens. We certainly could look at that and so we could pull those numbers together if if maybe that's a we didn't talk about that as a per capita basis but if that's a that's a measure we want to consider we'd be glad to put that information together that's a good point. One other thought that I had that that you mentioned that we don't see as much of and the sort of goes into the other I think we've talked about what other areas where the board might be involved or provide input is you've meant you mentioned that some of the funding in the past got shifted from the competitive grant process into services provided by the city for homelessness for example. Councilman Christensen mentioned earlier that there's some of the budget breakdown and kind of scoring around which budget areas different things within the city budget fall under. I would find it I would I would love to know to see sort of over time. Even if this grant money has gone down what the city funding has looked like for things like homelessness anything around like Boulder Community like the help the Boulder County you know health and mental health and those things that that I think that the city helps fund but not necessarily through this competitive grant process because it's easy for us to sort of like silo in on this competitive grant process as how the city is funding what our community needs but it's really clear that there's a lot of other things that the city is doing and so helping us contextualize in terms of what the city where the city is spending on similar types of services but that are not going through the competitive grant process would be super helpful because I also think I think about even having conversations with folks in the community. You know it's easy to say oh you know we had $800,000 that we gave to community partners but the city is also funding other programs and being able to have a perspective of like you know that accounts for 15% of cities but I don't know what the percentages but you know getting a sense of what that is. This also strikes me in light of our conversation last summer we had many conversations around you know funding of police versus community services and this idea that those are opposed but in many in some of those conversations it was really comparing this competitive grant process to that funding and not necessarily the entirety of what city was spending on it and I think that it would be good for us to see that as well. So I love I can pull this spreadsheet but if it's something that staff can help us get a picture of that would be great. Councilwoman Christensen. I can help you with a little bit of that. I sent the link to that breakdown to Karen and Ileberto so they can forward that but I don't think the city on that page has quite the granular breakdown you're looking for in terms of exact agencies that they're giving money to because the budget itself is like orders really but it does tell it does tell you on a department level for instance you could look down and see how much the department of the police department is spending on school resource officers on homeless outreach on restorative justice on body cameras I think that might be things like body cameras might be too granular that would just be in the budget but anyway it gives you an idea for instance there is this huge thing that says electricity that's like that's Moby Dick housing and human services is the little minnow swimming around yeah yeah I mean I download I download the lead between that that's the the quill you know the specific areas because it is very I really think this is a very helpful way of understanding exactly how the it was prioritized and at the top of the page of this it explains how the city prioritizes things and how the city scores these things so that is this something that is a mandated a federally mandated program then we have to fund it is it it's something that is mandated by the state it is something that is critical to not having people die things like that and so there there is a scoring system that helps with the prioritization but there are also areas that we the city did a huge survey from 2013 to 2014 to find out what the city that the residents of the city actually wanted and while I have my issues of surveys and all that stuff I do think that generally these are these are the things that morally and principally the city wants to see and so that is our prioritization and so it's a very helpful way I think of looking at a budget which is not just numbers it really goes to people especially from housing and human services to people that makes a huge difference. Yeah I downloaded the spreadsheet and saw for example you know 250,000 going directly to conflict resolution facilitation you know which which when you consider even just that amount as compared to the amount that we're doing in the competitive grants that's a significant investment in that type of program for for us and for like children and youth services you know 450,000 toward these youth services that help provide resources for under resourced communities in our city and so that's those are fairly significant you know the city budget is huge but we also are having significant investment in those areas that are not just where we are so Karen. So I guess the question is you know so we can certainly put together some information you know as as as council member Christiansen talked about I mean the there's a priority based budgeting which is the the the process that she's talking about. And some of that is very self-explanatory some of it really isn't and so but so I mean I think I think Ellie Bertrand I have a pretty good idea of what you know really what you're interested in is that there is a larger city investment in in you know human services beyond what we offer through the grant program so there's a lot of direct services that we provide. Or maybe even contracts that aren't part of this process and so I think we can we can gather that information and and I guess it's my it's a similar question to what Ella Bertrand asked before is so and and the the purpose of having that information. Would be what so just just for understanding so because we can gather that and just just wondering how that will be useful. Yeah so I'd welcome thoughts from other folks on this but my my first thought is one helping board members understand the context that we're working in and I think that helps us understand the job that we're doing the second though is so you mentioned that staff is going to go and I think that we're all supportive of staff requesting the increase to 3% of city general funding. I think that there's the potential over time to see like okay maybe the city starts increasing this but then does the does funding for some of these other things start decreasing but we're not seeing that like so it looks pop or is funding across those going up and so that looks like what we think it should be I think that folks on this board have an interest in these housing and human services not just through the competitive grant funding and so folks have talked about going to City Council and requesting you know we sent a letter to City Council last summer suggesting more investment in you know alternatives to policing for the community. I think we all have an interest in that and so being able to understand that context could also help us advocate for hey we've only got you know grant requests for $200,000 related to housing. The amount for housing that the City Council has allocated hasn't changed in five years I don't think that's true but like give us that context because then we could say well maybe it's not that we need to do more grant funding maybe it's that the city needs to support more directly instead of grant funding because we don't service providers that are meeting that need. So that's my that's my thought is that in particular we have seen an imbalance in some of those areas in terms of grant funding and being able to say like okay well that need isn't being met does the city need to do it or do we need to find another way to meet that need because we don't have enough community partners that are doing X, Y or Z. Brian I think you had your hand up first. Thank you. Yeah I agree that I think it's good for us to understand our role in the ecosystem and that kind of information can help us understand how we can add the most value. I also think it helps us be a more responsible supplicant if we're going to go and ask for more money to understand what else is happening so that we're not just I don't know you know like hey we want more I don't care what else is going on we want more it's nice to know what else is going on and be supportive of that work. Councilwoman Christensen you took your hand down but you didn't unmute. I can't be expected to do everything. Yeah well you're certainly everybody is welcome to call I wish we could meet again but I'm hoping in two months we'll be able to actually meet again because it's it's just been horrible. But you can always come as an individual and speak but you can also write a letter as a group and even though it is maybe seems not to be directly concerned with what this board is doing if it is in any any way related for instance anything having to do with housing or any of the human services you can certainly advocate for that and I think that that's exactly what you guys should be doing and council would love to hear from you so please do you know. Thank you appreciate that perspective. Do any other comments about the board's involvement and then the request for additional grant funding this year or anything else related to the board's role in the budgeting process. Okay. Then we are on to our next item on so that Karen first. Go ahead Karen. So I just I guess I would like to go back and ask Brian about his comment. Not the most recent one but the one where you said you know you mentioned about pursuing other funding. Particularly for health services so I'm I'm interested if you would you would expand a little bit of on that thought. Yes well I'm disappointed that you asked because there wasn't much behind that try to fill it out a little bit. Well I just didn't know whether we missed it or you know so I just I didn't know what pursuing other funding. Yeah what that really meant. So when I think of other communities that are able to spend more dollars just in general. Sometimes that's because they may have a special tax in place for instance that helps provide funding or they they're getting money from the Colorado Health Foundation to run a program. So it's really this is about a shallow a pond as we're going to step in by asking me but there's just like this this kind of nagging sense of maybe there's other money out there other than asking for a percentage from the general fund. Right right. So that that that's helpful to understand Brian and I would say you know certainly as you know as as staff and L.A. Berto maybe we can we can figure out how to capture that is we we do go after a variety of grant resources. So we we have private foundations we have state money that we you know we pursue our federal grants. So so we do a pretty good job of pursuing other resources that will you know will help us and most of the time that is about helping us maybe a step with some new programs and then what we need to do is to figure out all right how we going to have a sustainable funding source for something that we try and we find out that that's pretty effective. So but you know and what we what we really haven't pursued would be you know some very specific targeted you know tax and so that happens quite a bit in like city Boulder has obviously there's there. They're sugary beverage tax was big time generates quite a bit of money that that goes directly to fund a variety of services but but we haven't necessarily pursued that very often as a I don't think as a as a community obviously we've had we've had open space targeted taxes as well as for supplemental public safety services but yeah we do pursue grant opportunities for sure. And thank you for that. It's I think this ties back to Caitlin's request for some of that other information so that yeah we have context you bet. Thank you. Councilwoman Christensen she got it. So yeah are you got muted somehow. I don't know if it was you or somebody accidentally muted you wish I could get a willing is power. You know how to cut off our council woman. That's OK. I get cut off all the time. Here. So yeah our staff is incredibly good about trying to do that but it helps it really you know when I first started doing this I had no idea where all this money came from or how it worked at all. And so we get for instance. Longland Housing Authority which is now the city council which gets money from HUD or used to be for well 5 years ago. Now it might get money again from HUD we get money from the state and in terms of Chaffa Colorado Housing and finance. Yeah good finance. We get money from Dola Department of Local Affairs we get money from Dora Department of Regional Affairs. We get money from all kinds of different private grants but also public grants and nonprofit grants and believe me staff just is running around I mean looking in for every bit of money but it does help to know that there really are a lot of resources out there but it takes a huge amount of time to write those grants and you have to really have people who are familiar with doing that to do that because if I tried to write a grant I'm sure I wouldn't get a penny but there are a lot of people in our city government who are very good at that. So yeah we do try to it just helps to know what other people are doing and how this city functions it's it's very complex we have hundreds of people and they all have and they're all doing something useful so but yeah grant mining is a huge part of running the city for every department so Karen any other questions you have for the board do you need anything for us to say like yes we support asking for additional funding this year or anything like that. I I think we have some good direction about moving forward with the original plan and coming back and providing some some supplemental information that you know you might come back and say and you know we will do our best to have that ready for the May meeting and you know because it wouldn't be too late in May to change our path in terms of what we're requesting so so I think we've got what we need and I think Brian's virtual hand is back up. I see that yes Brian just real quickly Karen I don't want to add too much to your workload. I have been made aware that the state of Colorado is not as prolific as some other states and pulling down federal funds and in various areas. I don't know that that it all relates to this area that we're talking about but it may be helpful to know whether it's the city of Longmont per capita or it's the state of Colorado is a state how we do in securing funds that are available from a federal level. You know what's our performance look like and and what would it take any let's just start there and I don't know if you have that but if you do amazing. If not don't add a whole lot to your workload to get that because I and I see that question I'm like oh if you have it that's really easy to pull in if you don't that could be like that could be quite the rabbit hole for someone to go down to try to quantify what we won't go down a rabbit hole but if that's something we can grab what we'll do that Brian but all right. Yes Councilman Christians and it's the Polly it's the Polly and Brian show tonight. So a lot of that depends to on our state representatives and state senators. So as you know we do not always get some shining stars to represent us and I personally one of the other ways we get money is to send send people like me to Washington DC to go around and beg from our senators and representatives give us the money. So if you've ever tried to get money from Ken Buck. It's not easy. So it really depends upon I mean it that's when it becomes very very political is they have to ask for that money and they have to advocate for that money and we have some excellent representatives and senators and we have some less than still a representative. So you know that that is a big part of it. Thanks. All right. Then our next item on the agenda since I don't see any other hands at the moment would be the quarterly update on Homesteadie. I believe that's you Ellie Berto yes and I have that ready to go. Let me just get to this slide show. All right. Can we see this camera see a site show looks good. Okay. So yeah I think we wanted to and and you know the air center my first report that I sent to you was pretty slim on data and so I went back and said hey you know what can you get me so I can so I can get a little more robust report to the board and so they went back and got for sure 2020 more better you know more robust 2020 data. The issue with 2021 is you know the first quarter just ended on March 31st and there's still some of those plans because the program can last more than three months some folks are still in the midst of the program receiving funds and working on their on their their housing strategies or how remaining house strategies. So so the bulk of this will probably be much more year and or 2020 data and you see some of it in October I did this the you know first year data or first part of 2020 and so they just they just sent me the rest of the data for 2020 2020. All right. So really as part of so why I say 2017 2017 2016 were big years for the human services funding. It's really when we change and homestead he was a part of it. Yes, we broke about 50% of the the set aside to go to homelessness and homelessness prevention and and that was because it was a it was very much prioritized in the 2017 human services needs assessment as you know it continues to even our 2020 assessment has housing and stable housing as one of its as its greatest priority. So that has not changed between 2017 and 2020. So that's why things change in 2017. So basically here just just so you know so the the center gets 120,000 it's a total $200,000 contract 120 is meant for direct client assistance and so in 2020 they spent 117,000 of that and then they the majority of it usually goes to rent. That's just the way it is and then utilities and deposit usually if it if it's not sustainable to keep someone housed where they are housed then they can use this funding is pretty flexible funding. They could use this to help someone find a new location and we do have landlord incentives so you know if this if we can help the landlord keep the person house then we have funding for that as well. And so that's how they use that. I believe that was used for water water break to help them ensure that they could stay in housing. So here's at the end of the program. So this is exits when they have actually finished the program. So this actually doesn't cover the whole 46 because not everybody the whole 40s weren't done in 2020. There are some clients that came in December and they really they're you know there's still some of them may still be in the program now but these numbers represent only those that finished the officially finished the program. And basically 97% were remained housed and 3% lost housing. And typically what what that happens is because folks you what had when it when it has happened is because folks are not compliant in other words they haven't followed through with the program and its requirements of to you know to take the financial leadership classes or to you know work on a housing plan that kind of meeting with their casepan with the house of home study case manager. So but only only 3% lost their housing. This I showed it to you last year this is really important to me it's it's an interesting data point. It says how many clients at program exits still return to the our center for services and you can see that 39% were still accessing food. 18% so this is a really important one. 18% when it says return for financial support. That's actually for housing so they came back later and said we still need housing support. And then the 43% those folks have not come back to the arts in the words they they while we don't know what happened because we you know it's hard to track them. We can assume that they either air still housed and are doing better financially or have left the area something that but they're not accent they've not continued to access services. And this is what we know of those that exited 57 remain at the same address. We 9% moved out of the area and 14% moved in with another family. So you know it shows that folks the majority stay housed at the same address or they help or they or they find more affordable housing elsewhere and we've heard that before I've heard it from the same terrain. Liaison for homelessness family. We shot as we talked about this before in the past how you know people are just leaving because they can't afford to live here. So it's this is this is this to me is is just verification of of information that I've heard before. So and then there's just some household types. You can see and this has been the biggest percentage is single parents and there's a lot of data talks about single parents being typically more likely to be living in poverty. That is just that is the reality. So here's 2021 data so far there have been 15 people and again some of these 15 may have been I didn't change it. Sorry just noticed I didn't change it. Some of these 15 may have come over from 20 a big thing and actually you know I didn't talk about that in 2019 a lot more people reached the saving goal of one month rent. As you can imagine 2020 has been very difficult for people to save one month rent. It has been a challenge and I can go back and get the data and bring it back to the board but that has been and so far nobody's done it this year. They spent 20,000 so far primarily again rent being the the big number. I will say that the utilities piece there has been a lot of money for utilities. So people are accessing those funds outside of this program and so utilities are less of an issue this year because and there's just been a lot of funding both from Colorado and nationally from the CVRF from the CARES Act dollars. We spent a lot of money on utilities so there's been a lot of funding for that's why I think it's so low and here's what we know about household types. Again so far single parent that they've been the ones that have been accessing the program the most and so that is it. I will stop sharing and answer any questions that anyone may have. Ellie Berto those demographics of single single parent single adult do they collect additional demographics around for example I know one of the things that came up during our funding round what and the latest needs assessment was particularly support for seniors that we know do we have a sense of among single the single adults is that skewed towards seniors for example or you know do we do we know anything else on this we do and I could I could find out more. I will say one of the changes that happened in yeah I can find out more I'll leave it at that there's been 2020 has been a very unique year. But yes I can I can definitely ask for more demographics like since they all going to BCC I'm sure that they have a lot of NBC stands for Boulder County. Boulder County yeah which is a database. Madeleine. Yes. I have a question in terms of well a lot of things have a lot of issues have come up all with and other ethnicities since the tragedies that we have recently experienced witnessed experienced specifically the one that concerns me the most right now is I have a family friends that are Asian after the situation the tragedy in Atlanta. Well everybody knows what's been going on and and and what has happened and is happening that we didn't hear about it wasn't at the forefront it wasn't at the top of the list prior to though that situation happening and what I know that they have I have tried to help specifically with housing. There's a family of approximately 8 people and there is basically one person that's providing for them all and we just happened to be talking and she asked me she said well do you know of any where I can go to get help and of course what kind of help and she said well housing my brother is handicapped and he has three children and the wife and we have no resources we we've struggled and have been given a run around with just trying to get a covid shot get covid shots for us. So of course I reached out and I'm just wondering I made connection with them because actually we're there to just offer condolences you know for from what happened and so I want to want to know if any of you have had your friends family or others that have had attention brought to them since those kinds of situations happened of course we all know with George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter situation. We all know about those but have do you guys what has what's been your experience in terms of demographics. I'm curious to know. Councilwoman Christensen put the little hand up. You're fine and are you asking about anti-Asian discrimination in Longmont are you asking about trying to get the this disabled man housed. Both I'm curious as to what others what you know about or others on this board in terms of your own relationships. What have you heard of what do you know of that has been on the rise since that situation and and are your friends under attack like mine are I felt oh I was so upset to know that the mother is 62 and she was given the I mean they've been given absolutely given nothing but the run around. And so I called I did make some calls from some very very helpful people in Boulder. And in the city of Longmont I talked with Adriana Adriana made a big difference and so today just today this started about two and a half three well as soon as that other situation happened then this happened with them and so I yeah I started I started in in Longmont with Elma and today they all got the first shot. Good good yeah exactly I was like but the situation still remains the need housing and I know Veronica over at the senior center. I don't know I don't know any of the details though I'm going to help them through it. So let me hush and let you well what you're asking. Okay well I have a friend who's Japanese American we've known each other for about 30 years and you know she's a very quiet person and she doesn't complain but she's made she has made a very she has mentioned many times lately that she is very uncomfortable being out on the street people look glare at her people and of course there's the the example of the 68 year old woman in San Francisco was attacked. Oh yeah jackass when yes of course she doesn't really seem to understand I mean he didn't he'd never run into Chinese grandmothers from Chinatown like I have you don't mess with them like she had a big stick in there and she sent him out on a gurney which is good. I don't advocate violence but that's exactly what he deserved but it's really disheartening to me that Julie my friend Julia has lived here for as long as I have about 32 years and now in her own neighborhood she finds she does not feel safe. And so and she's told me that her friends also feel that way who are Japanese American or Asian American. It's you know it's the legacy of our previous president who made hatred. Okay made it fashionable right yeah and so we really I'm glad you brought that up and please do bring it up with all Mac because it's not it's not somewhere else it's here too. It is it isn't it's unacceptable. I mean we just have to not tolerate it. I mean it's very disheartening. It's very upsetting for me and and I said well yeah. Okay join the crew group it's not new to me or us but at the same time that does not make it anywhere close to being okay for anybody it's just wrong you know and so I saw them yesterday and and they were in tears they were so grateful they were so grateful and so I told them we're going to stick with you I told them about you guys and tell them about people you know the boards and people that I know are are seriously wanting to help just that we just want to help you and so don't be embarrassed to ask for help. But have you tried talking to the disability center. I have not I have not yet. No I am not but I will I'm writing it down right now. Yeah okay yes I will yeah I'll ask questions you know that's only you get information because they're not going to volunteer to tell you. So I will yes but I appreciate you guys listening it's just very frustrating. Yeah it's very frustrating and I'm there. Absolutely if there's other ways folks can help do let us know Madeleine please please do. Diana. I just wanted to respond to Madeleine's point and say that I think there are a lot of communities really afraid right now and I think my friends in the transgender community are terrified right now there's a glut of anti-trans legislation happening. There's a lot of anger in this country right now and it is very disheartening I agree with you completely Madeleine it is upsetting and it's very difficult and I really really feel for those people who are not feeling safe in their own homes or walking down the street it's right and yeah it's awful and I don't know how we can help that but I just wanted to say that I recognize your point that you're raising and see it in lots of other communities I believe to I appreciate that I do it is very it is very hurtful you know I know you probably hear that my voice but I get so upset because they they're just hardworking people you know they're not trying to hurt anybody they just want to live a very decent basic life have food and of course I sent them to the our center and places but you know the obvious places they didn't know anything about so yeah but thanks thank you thank you very much. Are there any. I know a little bit of presented on the home city program we had Madeleine's question around demographics Deanna did you. Yeah I actually had a question about the our center demographics and some of the figures I have no idea if you can draw any conclusions from this but I was looking at the data for 2020 the totals for rent were like a hundred and fifteen thousand and then the totals for rent for the first quarter slightly less if you're averaging it over four quarters right so can you extrapolate that the first quarters better than the end of last year I mean maybe I'm just grasping its draws are being hopeful. Well I I can speculate I can extrapolate so a couple of things and I wanted to tell Madeleine to is you know as far as housing is concerned. There is so much resources we you know and and the first resource is really the housing helpline and I know I knows that well and she's part of the resources of the housing helpline so now and I can send you that if you don't have it please please do but that housing that housing helpline is really a huge help it is it is the conduit for millions of federal dollars that are coming down the pipe and there's a lot of state dollars as well like I said Aviana is actually a one of the service parts of that because he provides the mediation for it. Yeah. Yeah so on that side I think the end of the and that's the speculation that I would say I think that part of it is so what I talked about this before and I'll bring it up part of it is that what the our center was seeing is when in the middle of 2020 in the middle of the pandemic they realized that home study is really meant to help people stay housed and make sure it's a sustainable situation and people were losing their jobs and there was no expectation of those jobs coming back in the near future in the midst of 2020 the our center changed their the criteria basically saying you really have to demonstrate that that you that a participant is going to once again have some sort of gainful income coming in because what they're finding is they weren't really being able to help folks because they would run out of the money that homestead provided because it's not a ton of money and so you know we're in the past they might have you know been out of a job or in a medical situation where they had a month off that they couldn't you know and then home study would feel that gap but it became very apparent that people weren't getting their job right away and we're going to be long term unemployed and so there's other programs for that and I think that's what you're seeing is that the our center is assessing the situation and then saying you know home study may not be the best program for you we have this other menu of options to provide support so I think that's what's happening so then maybe that sorry Caitlin if I can just follow so then maybe the opposite conclusion here is that because these funds were used for stable housing that people are so unstable that they can't access these funds so maybe things are actually worse rather than better. Yeah exactly sorry. To build on that L.A. Berto I guess I mean I'm interested in knowing you know you mentioned there's a lot of other funding is the our center. They're administering some other funds for folks that are in more precarious situations they haven't just sort of like up to the requirements for this one but then turning right away. Okay well and the our center is a family so the our center is part of the family resource network. So it's a huge collaboration county wide and so the our center does have its own funding but it also relies heavily on the housing helpline which is run by Boulder County Housing and Human Services and they're really the you know for lack of better word they're the deep pockets right now. They're the ones that receive millions of dollars for state stable housing. So yeah and but the our center can tap into that but people can tap into it directly by just calling that housing helpline. Got it. Okay and that that's helpful and to see like this home study program isn't really like it's meeting a very this is really designated for a very specific need that may have lessened during because of the instability like instability we there may be some folks who need obviously there are folks who need that just like some short term stabilization but more folks are likely needing longer term stabilization and or much larger amounts I've heard I've heard tens of thousands so I know the folks have their hands up. Okay Deanna did you have something else or no. Okay Karen. Yeah so I think listening to this. I think Ella Bertha one of the things that we probably also should put together is is really an overview of of all the basically all the the federal dollars that have that are coming into Boulder County and are coming into Longmont that came in through the CARES Act. The money because you know millions of dollars have come in for rental assistance for utility assistance and and and then we have the next round which is you know the the American Rescue Plan the now we call the ARPA you know funds and so you know the city of Longmont is estimated to get 15 million dollars and then there's you know a large chunk of money I think 50 million dollars is coming into to Boulder County so so there there's there are a lot of resources that are coming in to to help try to provide some some stabilization to folks who have really lost so much during the the pandemic and so I think it'd be super helpful if we try to put that information together just for this the sake of the conversation we just had earlier about having seen some some context about what's you know what's you know what's happening so I think that would be worthwhile too. Do you know so Ellie Berta you mentioned the housing health line to to Madeline for some of those other funding pieces that are coming in Karen could we also get information about how like different ways folks can access that or does the city have sort of anything like a short thing that we could share because I'm just thinking I see a lot of folks in you know Facebook groups and like in our church community that may need support and would love to know like you know with that context of the money of like okay I know long months getting money I know it's there I just don't know where to go right so what are some of the places in addition I mean we know the our center we know some of these agencies but are there other places folks should be looking or checking you know within the community I don't know if the city has I think you know the city sharing what you know we've gotten in terms of funds and then also how folks can get help you know sort of marketing it in a way because I think Madeline's experience where people don't know that information even folks who are connected are like well I know there's funding there and I know you can get some of it through the our center and you can call this helpline but then there's a feeling of like okay but where out like should I be checking other places am I going to miss out on something you know if I'm not if I don't qualify for that yeah and I think I'll just speak to that that's okay Karen is that that is that is really a key issue so we're trying to to figure out how how to make that how to make that easily more easily understood and where do you go so kind of that housing helpline is really been our kind of our go-to source and because they've hired some additional staff they also can you know help to direct where other more families could go for other assistance if it's not you know if it's not or if it's beyond or in addition to housing housing assistance so so so we are we're absolutely trying to to work on that sort of to really try to make it easier and it is not easy so but we we are we are doing our best around and I know there are so many I mean we've talked about kind of started with that housing helpline but there is a funder's collaborative that meets you know a couple of times a week so we are trying to figure out how to make it easier for for folks to access the resources that they need. Okay Karen Phillips. Yeah I was just wondering like if somebody called the city of Longmont and said they needed would they be able to direct them somewhere with some help depends on who they called at the city of Longmont I mean like the main number. The you have to call the main number you know probably not I mean so I mean I think that is so what we hope is that they would send them our way you know they would send them to community services so they would either if it's if it's housing or human services it's usually Karen Eliberto community neighborhood resources but but but that really is the the challenge so there isn't like a point person right for all of your needs in this whole arena here's where you go in the city of Longmont to get every piece of information that you need. We're we're trying to figure out how to do that. But it's eventually I think if no one else if they don't know where else to go and they call in terms of the city it usually comes to community services. Well that's good. Yeah there's a direction so yeah good. Great thank you all. Are there and is there any other feedback. Oh go ahead Karen. I just had one one comment to say last night I attended the Longmont of Longmont area Dems and they were talking we had a great discussion about the police and funding and all that kind of thing and they were talking about starting this citizen advisory board and it occurred to me that I thought that's kind of what we are and you know they were talking about you know what we need to start this thing and talk about homelessness and find housing and it's just like you know my mind was like well now these people who to be told that you know you're welcome to come to this meeting every month and I mean it's already there but nobody knows about it so I don't know if someone could go to their next meeting and say you know instead of starting a citizen advisory board you already have one you know I mean I thought that's kind of what we do or are supposed to do and people would participate by joining these meetings but we never have anybody joining a meeting so I don't know I just it just struck me funny that they would talk about well you know if we need to address some of these issues with the police and we've already kind of done that and I just was like well you know you could participate in our group you know but anyway. Councilwoman Christensen. Karen I think you're exactly right I you know every day and we get emails that have. 50 groups that all do the same thing and I hear groups say we should stay I have a police oversight committee we have a police oversight committee we you know but they don't know about it and this is a problem we have so much information and yet it is hard to sort through the information to see what's relevant and I think this is kind of a problem of our times. But anyway I thank you for bringing that up because I it's frustrating to me to people say well nobody's doing anything about this but they are actually it's just you don't know about it. Yeah, I feel like we're a citizen advisory board. Kind of I mean don't you think that's what we are doing. I think that's the goal here is to have community members writing advisory. Yeah, I could mention it I mean there was 36 people that attended that meeting just to say you know instead of starting a advisory board there's already one existing and the meeting is the second Thursday of the month and and anybody's welcome to comment or participate so. That was kind of part of what we talked about doing in terms of making it known and and making ourselves known within the community that we're here. And you know I'm there are people that know me with it. Within my circle. Excuse me and yeah that was. Kind of excuse me. While we said we were going to do more marketing about us. We are what we do so. I think that can do nothing. Yeah, I think I think we're on the right track. We just got to see it through. Okay, yeah, but yeah, we're on the right track. And yeah, we just got to finish it. Let's all agree couldn't. Yeah, exactly. I couldn't agree with you more. All right. Is there any other business that we need to cover? Ellie Berto. Yes. So Karen I talked and Caitlyn you've seen this and and so has Brian, but I wanted to just let the board know that you know after our last conversation around it, you know, the human services funding matrix, we have continued work and I wanted to show something to the board tonight. It's very draft, which is why I didn't set it out. In fact, I just created it last week after you know after looking more deeply at what what Brian had created. But I it I in my mind, it does may help provide a visual and about our our funding matrix and how we we look at our goals and our activities. I just wanted to share that with the board if you would be okay with that game and I think that's fine. Okay. And we don't have to spend a lot of time talking about because it's draft, but I wanted the board to see it and and just to be aware that we are we are continuing to work on that. So I'm going to share. I'm going to find it and then I'm going to just just add clarity to at our last meeting. We talked about looking at the matrix, but also simplifying how we're evaluating agencies when we get to the funding round because we I think there was we had quite a bit of discussion about how we were getting really, really specific and trying to measure things. But in in the end, a lot of the information was maybe not necessarily helping us make better decisions that we want something that does help us be more objective, but we don't necessarily want something so complex under the idea that we're somehow going to get it perfect. Complexity does not equal better necessarily. And so we wanted to to step back and think about how could we simplify this and really help folks understand the connection between the city's goals and what the agencies are doing and asking money for rather than trying to get into is, you know, and what what the city's goals are, but also what the human needs assessment shows us being able to pull both of those things together with the agencies recognizing like these agencies. Some of them are really small. Some of them don't have grant writers like the city has that sort of thing. And so being able to have a better way of thinking about it that everyone can wrap their heads around. So hopefully this is helpful to you all. I'm going to share again. We don't have to spend tons of time on it, but I wanted to just show you what I've been working on and we'll continue to try and and refine and get be be more useful. So what you're seeing here and know it's small, I can zoom in. So if if we the way that when Brian did his great work on the larger spreadsheet, he basically break broken down into three tiers and this reflects that. The first tier when we think about funding or importance of funding is really is the application does it fit under our safety net pillars, right? So so for example, this is self-sufficiency and residency. That's tier one. They have to be they have to meet tier one. If they don't meet tier one, then they're not to be considered. Tier two are our what are our what did the what did the human services assessment say and what we what has the board considered in the past as our program outcomes and Brian did a really great job. Most of this is is from Brian's work to take everything that we had in the human needs assessment and really turn it into outcome language, not just philosophical. There's something that we talked about last time, you know, the human needs assessment was a little broader and so we brought this down to much more here are the program outcomes of increased earnings, employment or eligible benefits or to support a bit of secure, steady employment, increased ability to earn the wage. So those are outcomes and so, you know, these are some of the outcomes that we talked about. Some of them are pretty simple. The human services have been talked about the original digital divide and bridging that. Then there is tier three and this also came from the human needs assessment is what activities does the program need to be doing that we want to fund, right? And we can talk about, you know, are there activities not that we didn't capture we could we could send out the human services assessment again, you know, but here are just some examples of activities that were so to reach these outcomes we want to provide financial literacy or we want to provide English language acquisition to provide the increase to live to it really came one of the activities was people need reliable transportation for them to stay living independently. They need and this goes back to the, to that no wrong door, the activity to that is provide information about available resources and reduce difficulties in finding and navigation, navigating the human services system. So really an agency can apply for if that's the program they're doing. So for example, I'm going to say CPWD does this right because one a big part of their activity is their information and referral process. So in other words, they help people navigate the system and they track it. And then there was another one about transportation, but it was in particular to car repair, right? And so we may decide that that activity is not something the city wants to fund. But I put it in there for just as an example and then on the bridging bridging the digital divide, the activities are provide access to broadband internet or internet carable devices, increase digital literacy or increase access to device charging outlets. Again, not necessarily these are the activities that we want to fund, but this was in the human service needs assessment. And I think this helps us see it in a different way. I'm not going to go through. I did all six of them and I can send it to the board, but I just wanted to share tonight some of the work that I've done on trying to simplify, but at the same time ensure that we are still keeping fidelity to the human services needs assessments. I think this is really helpful, Ellie Berto. And I like the you phrased it as like tier one, tier two, tier three, but the hierarchy of it of like you really need to fit into tier one into like the tier one before we even look at tier two and then before we look at tier three because we want to make sure your outcomes are the outcomes. If your outcomes aren't there, the activities you do are almost certainly not going to be there, but also if somehow those activities are what we say, but they're not reaching the overall outcomes we want, then maybe it's not what we want to fund. So I really like this as a mechanism for thinking about it and using this as to think about how we do the scoring. So I appreciate you and Brian trying to give us another way of like wrapping our heads around how these pieces fit together. So, Deanna. Yeah, I raised my hand as soon as Ellie Berto finished to basically say what you've said much more eloquently than I would have said. So yes, just that I thought that was a really helpful way of looking at it and I appreciate the reframing of that, but I think it's really helpful. Same here. Same here. Kimberly and then Karen Phillips. Thank you for putting in a format that's so much easier to understand, especially as a new advisory board member. I would love to see something and again, I don't know the details of the rating system, but I would love to see something referencing health of children and youth. And I don't know how specific it needs to be. I just feel like that's something that's important to address and maybe it's already captured under the human services access piece that I saw is written in that far right column. So I just have to do my part to promote child and youth health because I think that's so important to our community and deserves a special note. Just to add, so I think Ellie Berto, you showed one the first slide, which is just one of the six pillars that we do. I think the first one was self-sufficiency and resilience. One of the high level pillars we have is actually health and well-being. And so when Ellie Berto sends it out, I think it'd be good to look at that because I think it looks like we pulled that primarily from the human service needs assessment. And we may want to expand on what some of the outcomes are or some of the activities are that we know will help meet those. So thank you for that advocacy. You really, as a new member, it's hard to like wrap your head around the fact that there's like six of these and all these some activities fit into both. So I think Ellie Berto getting that sent out to folks can see all of them will be really helpful. So Karen Phillips, I just wanted to say I really appreciate the simplicity of it. It makes it very easy to understand and simpler the better as far as I see it. So thanks so much. Yeah, I mean, I'm even imagining like our criteria like when we're filling out the ratings of this is really being like, does it meet this first? Which doesn't meet the pillar that they say it does? Do we think it does? And then like, if so, then add like, does it meet these outcomes? How well does it meet these outcomes and then the activities to really get a sense of that? Because I'm like, that's a lot easier than some of the it's a lot easier to map it into this than some of the ways I think I was trying to map it last year. Being able to map it to these sorts of things would be really helpful. To say like, okay, this one does increase access to dental care, but maybe it's only like a six out of ten on the scale. I don't know how we want to do this, but there's some different ways we could think about using this for scoring to help us score how well agencies seem to be meeting our objectives. Other feedback or questions for Ellie Berto on this? Okay. I think folks would really love to see Oh, Brian, just Ellie Berto. Thank you for all your work that you did on that because I think it's it's really helpful. Yes. Okay. Yes. Karen Roney. So just oops. So to build on Madeline's reminder about marketing ourselves. I don't think that maybe I have or maybe you sent them to Ellen Berto, but I think those bios that we sent out in the last packet. I don't I don't know if anyone is completed theirs. So so we're going to send them out again and and we'll we'll provide we'll provide some additional instruction or required, you know, when to send those back to us. So so anyhow, so I'm just building on Madeline's reminder that we we need we need those bios. So we will we will send that out again. Thanks, Karen. And I'm going to put a reminder on my own calendar to do it. But I'm also going to add another reminder to ask Karen who's done it. And then I'll I'll you know, I'll give you a call. I might bring by like some cookies or something if you get it done at a certain time. I'm not above like a little bit of non-valuable bribery. There I'm not actually like giving you something of huge value or actually bribing you. I'm just offering an incentive to get it done. People are super busy. So you know, and so we we we we will we will send it out again as as as a reminder for for sure. Thank you. Thank you, Karen. And good food is my love language, which is why I offer to bribe people with food. Is there any other business? Okay. In that case, I will entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting. So move. Okay. Deanna moves and Madeline. I'm going to assume that that's the second. Yeah. Absolutely adjourned. See you all in about a month. Thank you. See you. Thank you. Thanks everybody.