 I will say that on the way in today, I was kind of wondering how curious is how many people would be at this conference. You know what I want to thank you all for being here. You know what I want to thank you all for being here. I want to thank you for being here this morning. And I also want to thank you for the work that you did yesterday. I know that. I didn't participate in as many folks groups as you did yesterday and I left you exhausted. So I don't imagine how you must have felt. Thank you so much for that work. What I'd like to do this morning is again thank you for being here. But also to thank our funders who helped us put on this conference. First I want to thank Lumina just for funding the diploma project in general. Here at San Antonio so that we can move forward with this collective impact. But also I want to thank the funders who are helping us put together this conference. And that will be the P16 bus council of Greater Bear County represented by Gene McCormick. The San Antonio education partnership that is run here by Ira Betis. And who has been hosting us here. I also want to thank the mayor's office which is represented by Gene Russell. We know that it's important to have leadership involved in this. I'd like to thank the college board, Ismael. Also here, thank you for being here. And TG represented by Jacob Frey. Again all of these. I said this yesterday but I've been involved in several initiatives focused on Latino student success and student success in general. And these individuals are always at the table. So I want to thank you again for what you're doing and your support. I'd now like to turn it over to Judy McCormick. Well I'm the lucky girl this morning that gets to introduce Jacob and Jeff. And I'm going to give you, if you don't know Jacob, you've heard some of the things. But he's the vice president of student and institutional success for the, does anybody know what TG stands for? Oh you guys are good. Texas Guaranteed Student Loan Corporation. We affectionately call that TG. So he leads TG's philanthropic and community service department. He's always been a friend to us. And just another tidbit that I thought was interesting. Did you know that he designed and leads TG's public benefit program, which since 2005 has provided more than 50 million in grant funding to advance college access, success, and research? So I thought that was fabulous. I did not know that. It was good. Also this time I'd like to introduce Jeff Goldhorn. He's the component director for leadership and instructional services for the Education Service Center Region 20 in San Antonio. He's responsible for leading teams in the areas of leadership development, principal and teacher certification. He knows everything, mathematics, science, English language arts. But the other thing is he provides leadership to teachers and professionals in the K through 16 level group. So we are very fortunate to have both gentlemen here to talk. And I think Jacob, you're going to go first. Thank you. Good morning everyone. To use a breakfast analogy since I see you're eating tacos. I am that salsa that comes in your little bag and Jeff is going to be all the sustenance that's inside your tacos. I'll try to spice it up a little bit. But really you'll want to wait for Jeff because he's got all the sustenance and all the sustenance that we need for the discussion. If there's a timekeeper in the bag, keep me honest for 10 minutes. I apologize. When you put a microphone in front of me, time just seems to evaporate. So give me a 10 minute mark. Good morning everyone. It is an absolute pleasure to be here. Let me first recognize the brain trust to this convening because I think it is so critical. As you get to know me and perhaps a little less about you even more about me, I am a consistent critic of the disconnect that I think exists between higher education and public schools with regards to our students. And what I have witnessed here in the last day and today really is profound about the work that we do in public school for our students that is so fundamentally important. And I would tell you it is my pleasure to be here and my commitment to you on behalf of TG is that we will have equal engagements with our colleagues in higher ed so that we can all be committed to the success of our students. I cut my teeth in public school education policy in D.C. I think Lloyd from Southwest introduced Southwest as a recovering non-culture going school district. Thank you. I introduce myself as a recovering lobbyist because that is what I did for ten years and more recently I do it in higher education and it is a pleasure to be here. Let me just say that we have a grand opportunity to make connections between policy and practice that affects our students at several levels. Today and in the coming months we have an opportunity to bring public school education in San Antonio specifically but perhaps even in the state and higher education together to have a conversation about student success along the same metrics and along the same conversations we talked about yesterday. And I think that's very real and I know that the brain trust that put this thing together with the mayor's office and with San Antonio Education Partnership and the P-16 Council have that very much in their expectation that we will bring our colleagues from the academy to the same table to the same conversation. And so we have an opportunity to do that in San Antonio and to allow the rest of the state to see how it can materialize because too often we talk about these issues that are independent of each other. Sometimes we bring them together, certainly the P-16 Council has a great model for that, we bring them to each other but the courageous conversations that you have had yesterday those are very tough conversations and they are equally as tough I would say for your colleagues in higher ed but they are even tougher when they're in the same room and so we aspire to have that with you. But let me suggest also that together public school education, leadership, curriculum, administration and yes, our wonderful friends in IR in terms of data because we must have data and our colleagues in higher ed we have an opportunity to frame statutory policy that will affect our students for certainly a decade to come and I would argue perhaps for even a generation to come. Let me tell you what I mean. Everybody in this room ought to be familiar with the Texas Closing the Gaps Plan. It is the master plan for higher education for the great state of Texas. There's a plan that was adopted in October of 2000 and it will expire in 2015. I'm a little sad that it's going to expire because I used to make jokes about it being about dental work not about higher education but so we'll have to come up with a new joke. The closing the gaps is going to expire and what that means is that there is already a conversation that is occurring across the state and specifically at the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board and specifically in the Texas Legislature with regards to what might the next master plan for higher education look like. What are the components that those plans would include? The current plan for example includes a very specific goal for enrollment. We will enroll 630,000 additional students in post-secondary education from the baseline that was established in 2000. What that means in actuality is that we're probably going to be enrolling about 6% of our population in post-secondary education in any given year. Some of the conversations that have already occurred in the legislature is that perhaps we shouldn't set such a low bar for ourselves that our enrollment goal shouldn't be the average of the rest of the nation or the average of the rest of the top 10 states that perhaps what we might be able to do is aspire to enroll what is the threshold of the leading states. States like California that has closer to 7.1% of their population or age group enrolled in post-secondary education. So those kind of conversations are going to take place. Other conversations that I think very much will have a huge impact on how we think about student success has to do with how we fund higher education. We talked about this in the last session and I think that there's a conversation that's going to happen in this next session that will lead up to the next master plan. There are serious conversations about funding higher education based on performance and performance is a proxy for graduation, for completion, for degrees attained and degrees achieved. This is a very tough conversation I would tell you for those colleagues in the academy who have operated on the current formula for decades and perhaps generations. And those conversations I think lend themselves for us to work across the not the political while but across the spectrum so that we can say to our colleagues here in public school how can we work together so that we can all ensure that that degree, that certificate, that diploma for our students and so that we can all use the same data, the same metrics and the same system to achieve that. And so that master plan probably will not see a framing until 2014 and a vetting process in 2014 and of course not to be executed into 2015. But I submit to you here today that you here in Barrack County, you here in San Antonio have a wonderful opportunity to frame that. Not to lobby, not to influence but to frame that. To say to our policy leaders in the state we have something special going on in San Antonio. We get it. And I know you get it. We get it. And rather than having a policy framework that is perhaps created in other parts of the state or frankly other parts of the country we get it, we understand. We understand here for example that we have a disconnect as I learned yesterday between how we identify our students in public school and how we identify our students in higher education and those identifiers are not one and the same and therefore we're not able to follow those students all the way through. We have an opportunity to frame that to get your colleagues not just your colleagues in higher education but your colleagues in nonprofit organizations your colleagues in the P-16 Council and frankly your colleagues as policy makers to say in San Antonio we understand that we have the model and then do that because you're going to have to live and I say you, we're going to have to live with that for another 15 years in terms of next master plan. At the federal level you also have yet another opportunity. The Higher Education Act which forms basically the better part of federal policy and federal funding for higher education programs will expire next year. And so we will see next year and we've already started to see some of that this fall. We will see next year discussions, debates, some considerations and proposals of reauthorizing the Higher Education Act. Now, I love the Higher Education Act. It was birthed in the same year that I was, 1965, signed into law by a fellow who I think very highly of Lyndon Bates Johnson from Texas. But the Higher Education Act is about to be 50 years old. One might argue that we don't need to reauthorize Greg, the Higher Education Act. We might have the opportunity to develop a whole new framework for higher education. Yes, the reauthorization is a vehicle because we need a vehicle, but we might have an opportunity to completely rethink higher education in the 21st century to meet today's students, today's students' needs. And those three entities are coming together at the right time. Master Plan, Texas Higher Education Reauthorization or a new framework for federal policy in higher education and then what you're doing here this week and what you're doing here in San Antonio can inform both of those and inform both of those so that we can get it right locally because that's what's important. Not only because we think local control is important but because we know that locally is where all the best ideas and all the best innovation occurs and then have that in frame state and federal. TG is a non-probabilization. We do not lobby. However, we do commission research and we do get involved in policy discussions and we would be happy to be one of your conduits among others to tell the folks what is going on in San Antonio and how that can inform state policy with regards to higher education and frankly, public school education and state policy with regards to the federal role in higher education. Texas is heavily dependent I'll say that one more time heavily dependent on federal student financial aid. Something like 75% of all direct aid to students in Texas comes from the federal government. So we have a huge state and what happens here at the nation's capitol and we have a wonderful opportunity here and I didn't see a timid remark but I'm going to cut myself short because I really want Jeff to come in and talk more about the substance. One minute of there is a handout before you it is a brand new report that TG just published this week in fact I published it specifically for this meeting but perhaps my folks back at the office are going to tell me that I released it one day too soon. As everyone well knows through the leadership of Greg Darneter and Secretary Duncan we now have access to FAFSA completion data real time, relatively real time right, a two week slag. TG has published this report specifically for our Texas colleagues for our Texas high schools and we wanted you to be the first one to see it this contextualizes the reports that you already see that you are already accessing that we need for FAFSA completion it contextualizes with regard to student financial aid and there will be a URL I'm supposed to go low on this one because it's not live but there will be a URL it's in page three where you will be able to access that data every two weeks come spring and then monthly in the summer and in the fall and then we will to those reports that you will be able to access live we will then fix relevant information relevant data, relevant charts that we think are important for the FAFSA completion project so on that very long winded introduction and hello and thank you I kid you Jeff okay good morning so Jacob and I were talking and kind of planning for this morning you know one of the things that is exciting about where we are heading with our strategy as a state is really looking at what's working locally and what are the opportunities locally so before I start with that just a couple of words about myself first off like many of you first generation college student went to school from the age of five and just finished at college at Texas A&M college station at the age of 35 five I guess that was so I was in school forever just paid off my last student loan um last summer my wife's first generation college student her mom had a fourth grade education her father had a six or seven she's the only one out of six children that went to school when I got a master's degree and she's in her 15th year's school principal in short civil law my kids 10 and 11 I enrolled them in the Texas guaranteed tuition fund when they were born and I paid off both of their college tuition last summer as well same time I paid mine off so this is work that I'm really passionate about and if I had the opportunity to peel off all the other stuff that I do and just do this this is what I would do because I believe in it and I think it's just critical for the not the success of our community of our state of our nation and really the global economy if you really look at the big picture so as we were talking and you know starting to think about how big of a priority this is for us the question came what are we doing at the regional level so at region 20 you know our charge is to support the educational community I've been there this is my 11th year the last three we have been at the table a lot more with higher ed than what we have ever been I know many of you are in that same place P-16, P-20 conversations and that's exciting and there's still a lot of work to do there so what are we doing at the regional level to address this priority if you look at again we look at the SA 2020 goals certainly everything we've talked about over the last day is in alignment and then of course with the big goal of diplomas more in alignment so I'm not going to review that but here's the slide that is interesting right so you'll recognize many of these so we have the San Antonio education partnership of course P-16 plus SA 2020 SA CAN, Cafe College where we're sitting today UTSA has an office of P-20 initiatives Texas A&M San Antonio just started an office of P-20 initiatives of course Pathways is another thing that's happening what's getting K-12 and higher ed together to talk about implications for curriculum lining curriculum GenTex is another great partner fortunately from the work that happened with P-16 they chose to kind of set up shop here and use San Antonio as their launching ground because of everything that was happening in San Antonio the Keystone conference many of you have attended that brings K-12 higher ed adult ed prison system all together under one roof and talks about kind of some common things going on in fact we had Dr. Conley was our keynote last year meeting with our my direct client group tends to be like the assistant superintendents for curriculum curriculum directors those are the people that I engage with mostly and they asked what are we doing what are different school districts in the region doing around college and career ediness so they asked us to kind of put together a forum to have that conversation so we did that the first one was last month we've got two more scheduled and it's really round tables we're looking at the next one maybe doing some sort of a speaker panel last time we had three school districts share some things they were doing Jutz and ISD shared their college career eddy plan SAISD and East Central shared what they were doing around AVID because they want to know they want to it's very collaborative in nature they want to hear what's going on how are we working together this initiative here is another example of specific school districts coming together with that same idea the three that I'm going to kind of highlight for you this morning are avatar college and career ediness profile and the college algebra initiative which comes out of SAMSEC which is another group that meets a bunch of volunteers get together once a month for breakfast it's the San Antonio math science education coalition and they talk about how do we address the STEM pipeline in San Antonio and I'm going to talk just a little bit about what they're doing I believe they might share a little bit more the next time this group convenes so in that regard avatar and I do want to mention in the back Reve Schaefer Reve raise your hand okay Reve is with region 20 as well and she'll be here this morning so if there are more details you want than what I talk about today Reve will be here during the gallery walk for an hour so if you want to hear a little more she will be happy to talk with you or either one of us will this is a partnership between region 20 p16 plus Alamo colleges Harlandale our good friends in Harlandale and UTSA and these groups come together focus on in the center student success so how do we work together as a case p16 group and focus on student success and preparing students for college and careers the goals of this group are to expand awareness and create regional vertical alignment initiative to prepare and support students around college and career in this in all that means is getting people around the table to have really hard conversations about where curriculum aligns where it doesn't what are your expectations in higher ed what are your expectations in at the high school level and then to identify and implement strategies to close that gap here at a regional level right so these students at Harlandale high school that will go to Alamo colleges we're trying to help clear the path for that identify processes to assess and celebrate regional progress and then to share best practices this is a pretty new initiative that just started this year the idea here is to um work with math teachers we're focusing on math going down to the middle school level middle school through high school and having that vertical conversation in looking at you know getting down to the point where you're looking at building awareness around what are our texas essential knowledge and skills helping the folks at the Alamo colleges understand what those are about looking at the college and career in this standards you know sometimes this is where the hard work occurs just digging into those standards and really getting to understand them and thinking about what are the implications for me as a college algebra teacher as a result of these standards looking at specifically the curriculum having conversations about classroom instruction text books and grading practices at the secondary level and what does that look like the Alamo colleges looking at student support services dual credit issues so these are the kinds of conversations what we're our observation is it's not until you get the teachers that are working directly with the students engaged in this dialogue because all of you get it that's why you're sitting in here right but in this is hard work and if you've ever tried to facilitate a group of secondary and post-secondary that's difficult work right it takes some skills to facilitate that conversation so this is what avatar is about the goal is we have English teachers observing and watching this process and then the goal is to replicate this with the English departments a year later so I applaud Harlan Dale this takes a commitment so they have to release their teachers because these conversations have to occur usually during the day I know we do I think we do some things after hours too so it takes substitutes which we have a little grant that we're helping to pay for that but the bottom line is those teachers aren't standing in front of the students on those days so that's the kind of dialogue that this is creating hopefully then changing practice so the other one I want to talk about briefly is this is a really exciting Texas college and career readiness profile planning guide and just a little history on this this came out of a grant from the higher ed coordinating board that Austin Community College received and they brought together stakeholders from all over the state I sat on the committee that helped to design this tool and we had everybody represented from higher ed business and industry two year institutions K-12 institutions and so on what this is this profile guide really relates to what we've been doing here for the last day this is a campus profile guide so you would actually develop a college and career ready profile for your school and this guide will help clarify deepen and operationalize district campus understanding of college and career readiness it assesses where you are around college and career readiness using all kinds of tools student perceptual perceptions parent perceptions teacher perceptions as well as hard data and it was designed to support local improvement to give something a structure that you could create a plan around so you're not starting from scratch basically the vision of this guide is to deepen understanding of CCR and operationalize I think that's the key word a college and career culture in Texas schools so through this grant that Austin Community College received they partnered with Region 13 in Austin and that's kind of where this is living right now and it's a portal I'll show you a little bit of what the N looks like and then Reveille will actually have it pulled up if you want to take a look at what the N product looks like it's an actual action plan unique to each campus that engages in this there are master trainers at I believe 18 of the 20 service centers across the state so that's how we were trying to deploy it to get it out into all the regions of Texas it's based on Connelly's work so you have key content knowledge, key cognitive strategies key learning skills and techniques and key transition knowledge and skills and most of you are familiar with Connelly's work what this tool does is it assesses you around those areas and it's yours it's just data, it's information but it shows okay so we're weak in cognitive strategies like strategy number 2 over there around rigor if that's an area that shows up then it points you to some resources most of which are just free resources that we've kind of vetted for you and says here are some tools that you could use to help so that strategy there would fit in to this profile tool for example you can also add your own resources and tools to this profile so it's based on 7 research based principles when they went out and looked at research around what are schools that are effective around creating a college and career ready culture what are they doing and so it looks at create and maintain a college going culture so first off schools that have been successful know how to do that secondly it looks at the core academic program that's where that rigor shows up if you don't have the rigor in the core academic program then it's nice to have the posters on the wall the college poster but what's happening in the classroom to match the level of rigor that's happening in our institute to hire it it teaches key self management skills that came up several times yesterday to give the skills what the CCRS refer to a lot of times as those cross disciplinary skills schools that are effective explicitly teach those skills it looks at or it also the schools that are effective we talked about this one a lot we clear the path, we help kids apply for college and then make that transition successful so are you intentional about that do you have processes in place and looking at the conversation yesterday many of you do are on your way there to help you clear that path for kids so that won't be the thing that holds them back schools that have been successful create assignments and grading policies that align with college expectations well you can't do that unless you do like Harlandale's doing, I'm just using your example again at the avatar, sit at the table and talk to the university and colleges and talk about what does that mean, what does that look like and ooh this is a big one that Texas has been working on in good or bad, the 4x4 is here and one of the reasons 4x4 came around was we need to make the senior year meaningful and challenging okay all the other implications that have come out of the 4x4 I understand but that's one of the issues there and then this last one I thought was perfect for what we're talking about today and yesterday it's about building partnerships and connections to post secondary programs and institutions so that's not just with post secondary institutions it's post secondary programs which is what this is which is what that one slide that had that list of things it's building those partnerships together so the profile guide is based on these 7 principles it takes you through a process as a campus where you first off you build a college and career readiness foundation based on Conley's work you lay that foundation create awareness around that so that people understand what it takes to be college and career ready or to have an organization that is college and career ready and intentional about building that culture then it gathers data so it recommends some data points but it also says what data do you already have available when you plug that into the profile and then you review the campus data gathering prompts you engage in leadership discussions so there is a requirement this happens that you have representatives from the entire campus one of the non-negotiables is that the principal be involved in that conversation prioritize goals which is what we've been talking about here Steven Covey calls wigs your widely important goals you can't do it all so what are you going to pick to focus on at this tool and then engage in comprehensive action planning then how do you move those goals to action so it has a template that you create an action and then move that action forward so this is really exciting this is really new so new that while we've been trained in it we haven't done this with anybody yet Region 13 has one staff member that has been out sharing this work at conferences and so it's getting a lot of buzz right now he presented to the Texas Higher Ed Coordinating Board a month or so back so great resource that you might consider if you're looking for a way to kind of organize your plan and the last one I'm just going to touch on briefly and then I'll take any questions is this citywide college algebra initiative we're involved in that we're not leading that Dave Splitik retired superintendent from Lackland and Dr. Joe Laser retired from UTSA these two guys that just kind of volunteer and do this work they have a lot of interest in this but here's the premise of this the citywide college algebra project I'm going to give you the short version it will take every high school in San Antonio and identify two teachers that can teach college algebra and if they don't have the certification the 18 hours they need it will provide the 18 hours for them or the master's degree put two at every campus these campuses along with the institutes of higher ed being animal colleges and UTSA will agree on a common syllabus so everybody's teaching the same course the course is focused on fourth year account for your fourth year math it will focus on non-STEM majors because our STEM majors are taking more advanced math their fourth year it will give them the college algebra credit that they need to go into animal colleges for example not have to go into a remedial course and because that is the we know that's a roadblock for a lot of our students especially our non-STEM majors right so this was actually part of a grant that they had submitted to the NSF that didn't get funded and they said we're doing this anyway so they're working right now with all the Bear County Superintendents last week the goal is to get MOUs in place right now which that's the sticky part but I met with Joe Lazer last or this week for breakfast one morning this week and he said that he believes this will be ready to go December January timeframe as far as a formal announcement and the MOU agreed upon so this is really exciting this is a local initiative you know these are the kinds of things in talking with Jacob I've been hearing Greg speak a couple of times now it's what's happening at the local level what are you doing as a learning community to move some of these things forward and a lot of it's about clearing the path getting the right people to table and then having the people in the background that can clear the path for us to move some of this stuff forward to action I met Joe several years ago he's been talking about this for years it's hard to do there's some momentum that it needs to carry forward so there are several slides on that I'm not going to talk more about that like I said it may come up in the next forum that you do that has the higher ed focus so this is the big plan for our city we'll have improved the odds of success for all of our students and we'll be a leader in attacking college readiness problem and again this focus their focus is college algebra is the block for a lot of our students so our charge I think collectively is to leverage what we've been referring to the last day or so that collective impact and how do we forward that action and forward that momentum so center jive on behalf of students in bear county we are collaborating as a 15 independent school districts in the city of San Antonio the level of collaboration is really exciting to me again at the service center I've seen it move from a little more of a competitive environment to a very collaborative one I mean as far as among the school districts and between the school districts they meet regularly our curriculum directors and assistant supes meet regularly our superintendents do our math directors, science directors they're coming together because we know we have a lot of mobility within the city so how do we do this again following this model we identify our wigs what are our wildly important goals what some refer to as kind of that low hanging fruit and that's what I think we'll end with today by the time you leave here today and then Covey would say what are your scoreboards what are your metrics easy metrics ones we all agree on as we talked about yesterday but ones that are that is easily accessible and that is just in time data and then move it to action and I think that's what this conference is about is really those last three things district perspective city perspective and then you kind of go out from there so that's kind of three things that are happening at the local level that I think are very new but have a lot of potential and it's exciting to be a part of those on the first two on avatar and the profile tool Reveille is working with both of those and has a lot more detail so if you want to stop by and hear a little more about either one of those please do so during the I think it's the 10 o'clock session okay so I think I have about four minutes so are there any questions I can there's our contact information by the way when we had our last full well because the city and I had when we did that full well last full well process have added to your action plan and I've been asked to you you mentioned the additional college readiness form that you posted and where you know SA 2020 JNPEC since all of us sat down with respective districts and part of that action plan is that we would like region 20 using that mechanism to help facilitate the rigor of controlment we know you have a large rigor multi-day program that's about to roll out and we want to support that with our teachers our curriculum leaders but we also want to ask that your organization helps facilitate training and development for school administrators to be better able to recognize and help promote rigor through walkthroughs through evaluations in classroom we agreed our little plan that we submitted yesterday it was to ask that to facilitate that ground table through that group but also to give us the form to share exemplars and incorporate the best practices that SA 2020 and others are bringing in so can you do that certainly so yeah so the question was related to ESC 20 taking a role in helping to facilitate that conversation around rigor we did launch a rigor series today actually I was supposed to be training it but Tori Austin is picking it up in today's session is using DAGITS framework on rigor and relevance those quadrant D moments in teaching knowledge and readiness standards and building and then also the participants will build a common definition of what rigor is it's really messy work identifying rigor and part of that series we also have identifying rigor in the classroom walkthrough so we'll do that through that forum too I think that's a great idea just to have that keep that conversation alive and then the other part of your comment was continue with the forum to bring each other together for the best practice so we need four area coaches that can take that information and help implement it but as a former school administrator it's very difficult for me to be equipped I need more to be equipped to roll that into the people doing the evaluation and offers and questions and make sure that we're fostering rigor in the classroom that teachers have to do that messy work but I have to know what it looks like that a worksheet doesn't automatically mean is a level one on what steps of knowledge if it's a high level worksheet maybe a science class a multi-step college algebra problem it could be a level three level four whatever the metrics would use to determine rigor yeah rigor what we've found is we did a lot of literature review and found a lot of definitions of rigor um daggits and black burdens seem to be the two that we're kind of landing on right now um and of course the depth of depth of knowledge work and it's messy work and we're talking to school leaders that are in classrooms doing walkthroughs and doing observations and how do they make an informed decision about rigor what rigor is and then how do they have that conversation with their teachers to increase their knowledge or improve their knowledge around rigor that's a certainly a focus and I appreciate that and we will continue that charge I think I'm out of time one more okay we talked about you know we know that each month the content managers or specialists have a meeting and we were talking about the possibility of within those meetings that there's always a piece on the color readiness and the rigor versus it just being you know a business yeah I like that so in the core content meetings to be intentional about including a CCR or CCRS piece and rigor piece as kind of a thread through those meetings that's a great idea pervade help me will you capture that for me okay yeah okay so in closing I appreciate the time this morning and just know that you know just as was pointed out if you have an idea or something that you need from us there's our contact information let us know that you know there's our contact information let us know that's our goal is to figure out what are the needs and then how do we pull our resources together to support the K16 education community so thank you all for your time this morning thank you Jeff