 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus in the Africa time for off the press Chris Cain in one do is a chattat mediator and a consulate consulate. Oh It's good to have you join us this morning Thank you for having me. Good morning by great. I hope you're good. Yes. Yes. Well, how are you? Well, we don't have a choice We don't have a choice. You sometimes you leave the car at home and you you get into a taxi or use a motorcycle You know, other than that, you have to spend, you know, the nights in the queue Yes, how is it over at your end with a few old situation? It's so terrible my brother we have to resort to buying a black market Because I don't think I have the time to queue for three four five four hours For four and that's the station. We find ourselves. It's time. It's quite unfortunate. All right, Chris one do let's take a look at the Guardian newspaper this morning Look into the Guardian newspaper the banner caption read Huddles as Nigerian companies take over IOC's onshore asset and that's what you find underneath 105 billion dollars oil gas D commissioning in Niger others create consent shell Oxygen mobile others to sell over 27 billion Dollars asset worries over weak infrastructure or legal battle and meet energy transition Now nor you also have fourth a kitty Monarch escapes kidnapping and death by whiskers The tragic abacare case is an editorial. I'm sure you might just be interested Coals poverty must be dealt with for Africa to grow says vice-president. Yeah, most seabirds and just there again Underneath you find evacuation of Nigerians in Ukraine begins tomorrow and MPC gives OICS Condition for Divestment from Nigeria That's also another issue that you know, we need to pay attention to but that's it on the Guardian newspaper this morning All right, let's move over to the daily independent on Tuesday with these Headlines the lead one there Governors minister protest against draft electricity bill It's illegal to treat Federation as a single electricity jurisdiction Governors minister says provisions Diminished powers of his office as coordinator. So both of them are crime That they do not have enough power in the past sector. That's interesting Most stories from the independent the daily independence miss flight a piece to meet with a mayor of Cano soon that's coming from Alan O'yama of a piece some Nigerians strabbing Ukraine and not willing to return minister FGB gains evacuation of stranded Nigerians tomorrow NNPC gives IOC's conditions for divestment from Nigeria They must address abandonment deconditioning of all assets Medicarey can he please tell us about when the field sketchy will end I think that's what Nigerians will be interested in seeing on the front pages of the papers Terrorists on rampage in Niger have that construction workers details on page six really sad one there Constitutional amendment NLC vows to shame lawmakers who vote against local government autonomy wants autonomy for judiciary state legislatures All right, I think they're they're talking a bit more about national issues now Nans to block federal roads in southwest if also continues strike Would take Chris's Chris's thoughts on that messy note I think zenith banks surpasses market expectations with double digit growth in gross earnings And Ukraine seeks to join EU as round of talks with russia ends Energy giant shell to end partnership with russia's gas from those are the headlines on the front page of a daily independent Away from the daily independent. We we take a quick look at the punch newspaper This morning and look in the front page. It says Ukraine and russian were federal government to elite 2000 nigerians Evacuation begins Wednesday. That's tomorrow Bahari approves funding as federal government teams air peace and max air four or five aeroplanes To evacuate nigerian refugees. That's what the federal government is saying. Well, that's it. You also have fuel scarcity NETTI blames subsidy and Deport price hits 118 hour per liter minister walks out on student protesting as a strike quite interesting nigerians 993.38 billion our input from russia ricks over war That's also another caption there and just before we move away Sands reject immunity for chief georgias of nigeria and national assembly Votes today. You also have suspected kidnapper Shoot Iki Timonek resident laments government in action nigeria Bennett to resolve dispute over oil rich island Find out what that's about this morning on the punch newspaper and another one says Court gives abacare. We go ahead to treat diabetes and orders Nice, but he's still in detention there. He refused to give him Approve his application for bail. We have headlines coming on the front page of venation the lead one there worsening petrol scarcity cripple cities businesses legosa buja ibad or shobo Worst hit t. You see moles industrial action I wonder that would whether that would help or make things worse They also have analysis of the electoral act in the punch newspaper in the nation rather any super today you can check out the inside pages for that More from that paper. Inaq okay's 18 parties for 2023 elections. Inaq okay's 18 parties For 2023 election. They're saying no more Registration details on page three Russia-ukrainian war evacuation of nigerians begins tomorrow Zenit back makes seven six five point six billionaire fuya gross earnings Governors ministers reject proposed power bill. That's a non-related headline there Rao in apc over convention panel there they go again with the following writers state chairman PDP men on withdrawn lists What iocs must do before divesting from nigeria by the nnpc Last one from the nation is super vandalized track derailed legos kanu train says nrc and government government kill 15 in bono headlines from the nation newspaper Well, that's so much we can take at this point in time Let's have chris one do share his thoughts this morning chris. It's good to have you join us Thank you once again for having me All right, so chris let's start on this note. Which of the headlines interest you? Well, let me let's start internationally If a question of nigeria's kids or nigerians to ukraine The federal government said that the question aside to start on Wednesday And to me this is coming too late. We are not proactive at all If we have done the needful then by now we're supposed to have make sure that most of our citizens in ukraine We are pulled up before the war Don't forget that the americas have been warning about this war for weeks and saying that Which was going to invade ukraine But most governments of the world the special nigeria Government probably didn't believe that it will happen now it has happened If you are going to evacuate you can only evacuate nigerians that are find their self within the rich countries surrounding ukraine talking of cool and probably Hungry Some other country but those that already trapped how do you evacuate them? And that is the problem for me and I believe that this has happened time and time again We if you remember what happened in south africa During the the problem which we have with south africa where nigerians were killed in the attends It took only the effort of one man one And the owner of a piece Onema to be able to pull the north up of the Higher and then the an aircraft to south africa and that brought in some nigerians that We realize that our government will always play the second fidu lovely Second 11 when it comes you must have seen so many Videos going on online you saw what the indians did with their Cities in there so many other countries and most annoying parts for me now is that it's not only to say they say that we're going to Pull ourselves out Is the fact that most nigerians who find themselves at the border have been restricted restricted from crossing the border We are blacks people We saw the discrimination against black people somewhere inside the trains and they were pulled out by Ukrainian police and security agencies the blacks are not given enough rule to move out of the country just like Other people and that is more that the second one also is that Most of them are not to realize that even in ukraine It is only the women and the Children that have been allowed to give most men Don't find their way out so but i think that would have been more proactive than this But it's always better than late than never If we are setting place to these countries as I said is only those that went to make it across the border There are so many other nigerians that have been trapped in ukraine and it is our prayer that nothing will happen to them But I think would have been more proactive In getting this done. This is a big lesson to my jerry Government so that anytime you have anything of this nature Let us try as much as possible to be proactive and act it is Only those that say they are not willing to give but it can be left but let us try to be proactive and make sure that we pull out Our our cities is from most of these countries before Before this Crisis get to a point where we cannot do anything again. All right. Thank you. Chris. Oh wonder We have on the front page of the nation newspaper worsening petrol scarcity cripples cities and businesses and we had a little banter about that before we began this segment Moving on from that front page of the nation newspaper We look at The the front page of the guardian where the nmpcs or nmpcs given ios these conditions for Divestment from Nigeria, of course some Nigerian billionaires buying the the wells of the oil mining leases of these This ios is like mobile and coal and then on the front page of the Punching strip and Nigerian been in to resolve dispute over oil rich Toon gigi island So we have more oil But no fuel or less fuel. What is it? What are your thoughts on what's going on right now? First of all, what's then the end line of the guide there and how does that hijack up? Ios is on short assets coffee Serious indictment on on us that the ios is Are living most of the oil companies foreign oil companies are living Nigeria And what is the cost is probably because the environment is not conducive for them economically for them to be able to grow So and so what they are doing is to sell out their assets and just leave and that in this Leave us in a very very difficult situation because they're going to lose a lot of foreign expats They're going to lose a lot of investment Yes, Nigeria companies can buy and take the public policy How we have handled so many of our assets that are owned by Nigerians or Nigerian government And that to me is a very very time-consuming issue of Of well The coffee has been discussed in the arrow I was going to get We talked for for 200 Naira Yesterday the black market, but I believe I was one of the lucky ones because There have been stances where a lot of people are not able to get product And where but even when they are there you see a lot of pure Cues in Lagos and some of Lagos area now It has been on in Abuja for weeks now and nothing has been done about it And we will continue as just like you rightly asked what we should be seeing the front page of papers on television stations like plus TV and rest of them your news is that NNPC Telling us that within the next two three days that this thing we have really but it seems that they don't have a solution And that brings us back to what have people like me have always said These are the issues that we can would have avoided is avoided Is because of we don't have the capacity To be able to do the right in especially at the government level a situation where we have to depend on We're a country that exports crude and by Refined products from foreign country that becomes that's the challenge We are the pure not only country what that does that and Let me also tell you that the crisis in Ukraine and Russia is going to cause even more Problem for us because you realize that it's going to escalate. Yeah, the prices of the cool We rise we might be able to sell more but that in this step is going to have a real effect on the important Petroleum to the prices go up. What does it mean if we have done the right thing we ought to have done since When this government let us I've stopped blaming PDP for what they have done This is a government that came to power with so much promises in 2015 We are seven years into this government and most of the promises they made one of you was that They're going to be new refineries and also a turnaround maintenance for all the good ones As we are talking messy coffee. I don't think refinery in Nigeria that is Refining anything and we sense billions and billions of mirror around maintenance and nothing have been turned around and I thought that the Graphic is like here is and I see people ought to have been looking if that's taken up and they're also not doing nothing But this is why we find ourselves and I don't know when this will stop With you know, the huddles as Nigerian companies take over the IOCs I mean the fact that these IOCs are divesting and it costs a little concern the global energy transition The fact that there's a shift It feels like it hasn't been we in Africa Nigerians are not even thinking about this Because what this practically means is there's going to be a shift from you know, the demand of fossil fuel and so People who you know the world countries and the entire world will be shifting to clean energy Where does this leave us for a country as Nigeria where we are highly dependent on I mean if we look at our revenue base We're very dependent on you know all earnings for all that we do over 90% if not more So what does this really leave us it doesn't even feel like the government is engaging It doesn't even look like we're even considering rather we're giving conditions to these International organizations and what have you and we think that this these instructions and you know conditions would deter them from leaving That we eventually leave because there will be no need for oil Yeah, you're talking of clean energy The world is moving on rather, you know, why the world takes tens steps Forward Nigeria is always taking 20 backwards. And that is in where we find ourselves The world has to be joined just for it The world is thinking Generation without oil that is how the world is that is why you've seen so many advanced countries are not going into electric cars I'm sure you are very aware of that And some some of them have even put a time frame as to when to stop the use of cars using petroleum and that is So the world is moving forward, but what are we talking about? Let me even on the comical side Let us even look at the issue of electric car. You're talking of clean energy We cannot even satisfy our own electricity Electricity in Nigeria. We are shopping between 4,000 and 5,000 And we are told that for us to be able to find ourselves in a position where we can be able to be energy Our electricity has to be Sufficient we are looking about close to about 20 to 30,000. We are just shortly between what means is that even if we bring an electricity car Into the country, how are you going to track them? That is it that's this so why this most of these ios is Because they also we see the long-term Issue that come in the next few years All you may not just be the Some of them are that Chris one do Chris one do my our concern here this morning is that We're not having any conversation surrounding this. It doesn't even feel like this is happening to us I mean for a country that is highly dependent on, you know, all the earnings for For whatever we do. I mean look at our budget. We have the board to fund it It means that if we are highly dependent on The the you know the what accrues from you know, oil earnings then it means that if oil is taken We do not have anything. I mean there's nothing left for us. How do we now run the country? How do we now pay salaries? What do we now do? That's what i'm asking and how come the government is not talking about this We're not having any conversation I was going just going to that Don't forget it is not today. We're talking about the issue of the participation of the economy We'll say the time and time we gain that dependent on oil As our soul foreign Is going to hurt us very very much is why I think when I say people laugh I just say that god Can you just let this oil dry up so that we can be more creative in going about our business because There are so many areas that we can look at. We're talking about our report We are talking of mining Look at there's no state in Nigeria that does not have a A product that we can look at and be able to analyze that we can export our oil palm is there There is cold There is steam in doors that is gold. There are so many other So many other a country like dubai UAE. They don't have oil But they are one of the most developed countries in the world and you ask yourself, where are they getting the money? We're not looking at it If you look at the first 10 billionaires in the world, the richest people in the world I will tell you that about nine out of the 10 is from it Countries like india, countries like china, countries like so many other things are going into Are really taking serious effort and it's not that we don't have the brain We've seen so many instances where we see Nigeria's who have the capacity in this area And we can make some money from it. But what I was talking about every day We exported Five million we're waiting on We haven't even been meeting I mean if you look at the report from december, we haven't even met the quota We're not producing They're saying nothing they're not telling us what they're going to do. We'll set up a Ministry for so many Product product life, but none is working and I continue asking myself. What is wrong with us? What is wrong with us people? We are one of the most blessed countries in the world with so many human Mineral resources to our birth is it that we don't have the home and I brings this to leadership I continue saying that our problem is most often I ask the question What is the problem? Is it the leadership or the people and to me I've come to the confusion that our problem is not about the people But the kind of leaders who have leaders that don't have vision Leader that cannot sit beyond their nose Leaders that cannot see and follow the world trade and be able to get good creative so that they can bring us out of this Problem But that is where we are We are not thinking and let me also tell you this one of the reasons why we're having these challenges is about Petrol the question is that because so many people are making so much money out of it Those in government are making money and they know that if they refine these products locally that they'll not miss That is why they're making the the refineries are not working. All right. Chris. Okay. I want to thank you It's it's really a such a shame that The authorities including mellicarium self was pictured on the front page of the guardian with Some arab, you know oil officials that the national energy summit in a butcher It's not telling Nigerians anything about the the daily You know updates, you know giving us updates don't give us anything about The situation of Of things in the country. Well, let's let's hope for the best But I think this probably you would agree that this is sticking Nigerians for for credit Let's look at the the strike situation a couple of papers covered that today And we will look at what the Daily independent has says Nance to block roads or federal roads in southwest if as to continuous strike And we go to the nation the punch rather which says minister walks out of students protesting as to strike And please permit me to give a few lines from the punches account. It says that students of tertiary institutions Under the agents of the national association of Nigerian students and money put aside in parts of the countries we'll move on to that um In abuja protesting students to move on from that present students grounded activities at the federal sectariat The federal minister of education after the minister of education at dam o damu walked out of them on them during a meeting They were set of going to The national assembly demanding to speak with the leadership of the national assembly But scary apparatus on the ground shut the gate against them The protesting students then decided to take the protest to the ministry of education and demanded to speak with the minister a request that was Grounded now, please listen to this line The request that was granted the minister actually allowed and accepted that they should come and speak to him At the meeting with the minister president of nance sunday a chef or demanded An immediate end to the ongoing strike while negotiators continue This is what he's telling he's telling the minister of education He demanded an end to the ongoing strike while Negotiations continue not bad. He also called for uh, please underline this the inclusion of students in the negotiating process The inclusion of students in the negotiating process threatening the students may ground activities nationwide As done during the n-stars protest Mr. Wando, I mean I've we've covered such events ranging from nance to nlc in particular In unions and all that. I don't know what is going on. Don't we? We do we know what is going on and there we cannot be we cannot pretend about it as riley said who are all students? If we pass to good enough most of us pass to the investment in protecting so we nothing I was one of those and led In last year in 1986 when I was a post a student last year and I really dreamt period of Of um, I believe and that's why today is the symbols of my They call me christian last because we know what I see now. I know where you get it from Yeah, yeah, and I was also a member of the student representatives Last year was very notorious If you follow the history of last year in the 80s nights, we are very Any little thing would block the But aggressors here and what they have. Yes. So but we were very tactical about it. That was one too We also have a very concerted and very solid Nance national union Nance that was very proactive We didn't have um, what? A mercenary as we have them now in us when you see today the president of nand I think it should be it should be going to his 40s And I was hearing the other days. He was a prospectus is a prodigy student of one of the Then you can see if you also see how he must have seen the process to which he might That at a point people felt that it was a government street The nurse that we used to know when we were in school is not No, no, and that is why nobody's taking them serious You can see the number of students that thought that for that rally in abuja. I don't think they were I don't think they're up to 100 In those days if nance is calling nats a protest coffee I'm telling you that the whole of abuja will be shut down We know what used to be The whole of abuja will be shut down in just one university of abuja alone can shut down abuja You that one university can shut down abuja and the government will feel it But you see the pocket of number of people that they can show but I feel that yes The question is that you were talking about this should be included in In the negotiation. I don't have any problem with that. I would tell you for free postcard during our days I remember that during the days of our protest He got to a point where the governor of legacy then regular sake had to also invite So some of our students union it has to be part of the negotiation and at the end of it Some of those things be a result. I don't have any problem with nance being part of the negotiation team But the problem is that nance supposed to get his ass together He has to win the confidence of the school that he needs to win the confidence of the people that are leading This is a a a strike that's becoming so many but who will you blame? I wouldn't blame us I will always blame the federal government because you said I agreed me if you know you're not going to be You're not going to fit Why do you sign it with arson and you continue to ask yourself why do you sign this agreement periodically with arson and you fail to deal with so Any any kind of action that students want to take to be able to bring to the fore The government to be able to realize that um, they need to do something about this strike then But the issue of now bringing in s stars would be like I think that's just very primary and very childish I don't think that's to come up. There should be much much. Yeah. I think that they are I think they can be more attractive in their actions and the way they go about The protest and the sense of bringing all this show of nance has and we need to take government money You need to ask you you need to ask also where we're now and it's during the n stars protests and what have they said and following, you know, the documented mask on Nigerian youth But I'm I'm raising my eyebrow at that demand to be part of the negotiating Um, process that you went all the way to the the minister to tell him that the strike must be called Of when he's not the one that called a strike in the first place that is means you don't know what you're doing Secondly, you now see he should include you in the negotiating process The motives for asking to be included should be questioned No, no, I don't you don't need to question that What is the university all about? It's not about lecturers It's about students without a student. There will be no lecture. There will be no ask that you should get that He's just to understand that so They should be part of the negotiation when to elephants by then is it that's the surface is the student that suffer is not You don't you know that quick question. Is it is it a federal government who would who would end the strike Who are negotiations continue do they have the power to do that? Shouldn't they be passing that message to ask you rather than to the federal government saying It's a suggestion It is when you go to negotiation you you cope with Anything that we are was going to is is that uh, kofi why as who is on strike? Do you know that their salaries have been paid? Their salary have been paid But most of those students that you see protesting most of them close to about 70 80 percent number of students don't live in campuses Most of those students are living in rented apartments. They will pay for those apartments You forgotten that they pay for those apartments. What are the idea or not? They must pay for those apartments. Some of them have placed cookies for one session that one session has been Eroded and that's it and they pay they have to pay again. So what I'm saying is that so you cannot say they're not They should be part of the negotiation team. I believe and I should believe that they should be part of the negotiation team They are the student. They are the ones wearing the shoe kofi. You and I have graduated. We don't know what is But I can also tell you that Chris Chris, uh, no one do You I have to come in here now But just before we move away from this conversation I mean and look at another headline on the dailies this morning We also need to understand. I mean, I like the fact that you have mentioned you have mentioned And which is the fact that the reason why this strike is lingering is because One party has refused to agree to the terms of you know an agreement a contract You can't you know There's always this strict patterns that say agreement is an agreement The question is why would you get into a contract and refuse to respect it? It is it is it is so much lawlessness and I I lack I mean I'm lack of I'm lacking words right now to describe How we constantly do not respect it and here we say that education isn't and we constantly if education is the Bedrock of every nation then why do we constantly have to experience all of this strike What what does where does this leave us as a country? So, uh, let's I just wanted to Coffee I'm an undergraduate as well in as much as I live in bestie 1990 that's about 30 years ago I'm currently a 500 level law student. So, uh, when I'm talking so I'm talking You're affected Hey, you are an intelligent displaced person of sorts Well, all I can say is that No problem. No problem. I don't problem. All I can all I can say is a little continua So, so Chris, let's also look at this one. It has to do with, you know, the elections 2023 Now, Inaq is saying it's okay's 18 parties for that 2023 election. It therefore means that If you have the ideology of having a thought force, I mean, we'll be hearing this conversation about thought force There's no possibility of this thought force coming together as a political party is a no Well from what Inaq can say is probably that um, they might not be able to register another political party All the thought force countries to produce themselves into one of the systems which the parties and from there Um, galvanize their members That's their mess. Let me say this 18 parties equal too many for me Too many. 18 parties too many And you ask yourself at the end of it, what comes out? Most of them will not even present presidential candidates Or they will not present candidates for the House of Assembly, State House of Assembly, National Assembly and the rest of it Well, you see, you see somebody wake up when they're saying I'm the presidential candidate of this social party And when you start getting about two weeks to election, you quickly go and say, oh, I endorse this sort of Petting and they collect their cash and move away The way it is structured the best. I have always believed that the best thing for us in Nigeria. That's my best No, you know is a two-party system Sincerely Not that I say two-party system is very very you saw what happened during the ns, nrc and sdp days You saw the kind of election that we have but as a democrat I want to give room for as many political parties as possible for people But you continue to see that it is the only the pdp and apis Taoist Donating the the politicalsmen Why don't most of these political parties for the sake of whatever it is want to be able to come together And fuse together and become that thought force that messy is talking about If we have 18 political parties in Was it being allowed to take part in 2020? Why don't the 60 remaining parties come together and come out with a candidate? That could be a better and bigger thought force and say Nigeria This is the alternative to apc. This is the alternative to pdp. We have tried to pdp They failed. We've tried apc. They were done to try out. That is the way I think they should be able to go about this But the way it is structured now Is this realize that most of the political parties are just existing in names and nothing apart from apc pdp apgar and which other one I think those are just display I don't see no other any other political party making any headway All right, thank you very much a very interesting analysis and cover contributions from you of papers This morning Chris Kennedy Wando is a chartered mediator conciliator. He's a Nigerian student For my student union leader as well Chris, I was also Leader in the faculty departmental level. So I think we have something Yes, yes, we have something So all I can say is a luta continua Thank you so much for your time Thank you very much. I mean you have a nice day ahead Well, it's been an amazing time Chris Wando. Thank you so much for being part of the breakfast We look forward to having more of you right here We will let you know what happened today in history being the very first day in the month of march when we return We had straight to our first major conversation the continues I mean the fact that we have the cues still prolonged and the fact that Maybe or maybe not the fear of scarcity might just be Something that would leave with us for a very long time. Please stay with us. We'll be right back