我們在一起KemOK OK我們在就肉好 大家來看看那個就是那時候我自己聽就好好 感謝謝謝我在這裡好你做了什麼是的Hello World這是Lumix鏡頭對不起這是Lumix鏡頭鏡頭你講什麼OK好所以綠色 綠色 綠色 sleep furiously綠色 綠色 綠色 sleep furiously綠色 綠色 綠色 sleep furiouslyOKOK我沒想過有時間我會在這裡我會在這裡這就是我所以 my first question isCan you introduce yourselfHello I'm MojitoI'm currentlyKala's digital ministerSo why did you decide to get involvedin this minister?Why did you accept to jointhe Tsai Ing-Wen administration?For funCan you sayFor a sense ofCan you get it?OK sureI joined the cabinetbecause the premia at the timeLing Chen asked me tofind a cultural translatorbetween the innovationsocial innovation culturebetween the Silicon Valleyand between the people in Asiaand find someone who canreconcile those differentworld views togetherin a democratic wayand I asked my friendsand they all have other business to doso I'm likeyeah maybe I cantake a try myselfand I joinednot out of dutyor out of missionor anythingand joined mostlyfor funto create a spacethat people canenjoy the processof democracyand why enjoy the processalso make other peoplesee thatdemocratic valuesin today'sinternet worldit is not alwaysjust upsetor protestor things like thatthat are importantbut there's alsothe joy of creationand of thinkingand listeningto each other togetherSo you decided tocreatesome new toolsto improvethe Taiwanesedemocracycan you explainto mewhat are those toolsand whatwhyTaiwan administrationveldthat it wasthe time forTaiwanto improvethe democracywell Iassembledthose toolsfor them to usebut justlike anyopen storesor free softwareprojectsI'm usually nota creatorand in factthe very ideaofcreatoris questionedin the freesoftware communitylike whois the creatorof any Wikipediaarticleit is co-createdby anyonewho canfix a wordor a titlethere are alsocreatorsso I'm notlike the solecreatorof any toolsso the toolthat Iwork withthere are manyfor examplewe haveepetition platformthat isI thinkthe world'sbest activelyusedepetition platformswe havea visualizationof our budgetsand haveeach individualprojectinevery individualministrythe social objectthat peoplecan collaborateonand watchthe progresstogetherwe havea AI-poweredconversationspacecodepolisthat we usewhen thereand we also haveemployedmanywell becausecivilized discourseconstruction kitwhich is a wayfor peopleto work oneachother's ideasmore deeplybut withoutthe capabilityof gettingthe trollsor gettingother peoplewho aremorenot sowillingto haveasillousdiscussionto let themreformin this kindof collaborativespacewe usefor the public serviceas well as peoplein the audienceto usetheir phonesnot todistracteachotherbut to attracteachother's attentionon the commonpublictopicscurrentlydiscussthis vitalwe usethe realtimeboardwhich isalsoa toolthat makesthe mind mapof the facilitatorprojectingit publiclyso anyonewe alsouse 360live streamingso that peoplewho are nothere in the roomcan alsofeel in the roomwe usemany othertelepresencetools as wellwe alsousea lot oftoolswhat we callaccountabilitytoolssuch asa sharebookmarkcalledhack folderthat showsexactlythe contextand historyof howthatis withinour cybersecurityinfrastructurethat likethe public servicecreate newand novel applicationssuch asordering lunchboxestogetherwithout worryingabout cybersecuritythreadsfrom other placesand soyeah there'shundreds of toolsI can spend an hourjust talkingthrough each of themby anglishand this is the shortendwhy was it importantto improvethe Taiwanese democracyTaiwan is a young democracyaccordingtoyouno there's nothing wrongit is justwith the social mediaand with the internetand a widerprevalent accessto mobile devicespeople alreadyhave better waysto organize among themselvesrightthe existingrepresentativedemocratic structuresowith as ifthere'sanything wrongit's just withtimesthe newadvent of technologybrings more efficientand franklyit's easierto accessformanceof organizationnow it isnot reallydecision makingin manypopularitiesso there'sa demosbut it'snot in questionon the other handthere isthe old versionof therepresented democracythat worksreasonablywellbecause peoplefeel closerto each otherin the demosof thesocial mediaand of the internetthey feelsoregardlessof youngor oldas inall democraciesin the worldhave tonow workwith thesenew toolsand workoutinnovative waysto engagepeopleagainotherwisethey riskthis gamebeingnot veryinterestingat alllose the funof itand thisis what we calla democraticadministrationbecauseusuallythere istoomajor partycoming downthe TPPand nowthere issomeonewithcomingandnew toolsnew wayof makingpoliticswellI wouldn'tsay thatbecausebeforesome flowerthat will bestrangebutsome flowerwas notof coursethe TPPhelps a little bitbutit's notthe TPP's ideato begin withso at the endof thesome floweryearthat'send of 2014for exampleMayorKowanJiaorKopihe is alsoindependentnot partof anymajor partyand in facteven afterwardstheprime ministerduringthe firstonewhotransitionedfromSimonJohnis alsoindependenthe alsobelongs tono partiesso wehave twoprime ministerstransitioningand bothare independentand sothissomethingthat hasneverhappenedbeforeintelisto uploaddouffmentsinsteadbehind closed doorsand this is very useful to me personallybecause I get to followthe transitionI didn't knowthat I would join the cabinetfive months afterthe transitionbut as you can seethis kind ofnot tied to any partyreally frees themto do things like thisbecause otherwiseit would be seen as betrayalof their partiesso becausethey have no party to betraythey cantransition entirelyin the publicin the transparent wayso I don't thinkI'm the firstindependent personin the cabinetthere's more independencein the cabinetthan members of any partyso we have a verybalanced cabinetat this pointwhat is your reactionor what is your feelingwhen you seethatTaiwanesetry to improveits own democracywith the toolsthat you are usingfor itand in the sametimesthe so-calledfree worlddon't wantto take risksto recognizeTaiwanI thinkthere's manycity-level diplomacygoing onand usuallythe toolsthat we usethey work bestif it isaroundmaybehundredthousandor one millionpeople of sizeof a certaingeographyand I thinkTaiwan isuniquebecause geographicallywe're smallbutpubliclybutpopulation-wisewe're a lot of peopletwenty-three millionand sowe can innovatea lot of democratic toolsthat are too costlybecause of the geographyor you knowwe can reachthe critical massmuch easierthan other citiesbut we still sharea lot of workthat we dowith other citiesin the worldwho are also workingon democracyand maybethey're just pasttheir own occupyingorparentsor other citiesand soI don't thinkthey have any troublerecognizingthe workwe're doingand we dowork very closelyeven operationallyyes butfor examplemy countrymy presidenthewanna goesto the united nationand sayok now there is to Chinathere is a republicof Chinaand the people's republicof Chinathey won't do thatsothey choosethe people's republicof Chinaand notthe republic of Chinabut that'shis decisionwhat IthinkaboutTaiwan's democracyI think aboutTaiwan as a geographicplatformand peopleon thereas a culturalecosystemI don't thinkaboutthe Republic of Chinaas anecessary conditionbut that'sbecause I'm an anarchistand an anarchistto say thatthe ideais thatif people thinkit takesa stateto have agovernance modelto workthen peoplenaturally becomemuch more obeyingthe bureaucratic commandsandyou knowthe top downsystembut mywhole lifeI've been working onnew ways of organizingthat doesn'tdepend on a stateappearanceletting peoplesee that stateis illusoryso it doesn'tmatter itto me personallywhich nameof the stateor even the lackof the statethat we're operatingand as longas thegovernance systemis transparentit takes careof people's feelingsit includespeople's voicesand even notpeoplebut also animalsand ecosystemecologyand future generationsthat is importantto meand I thinkyour presidentshares a lotof those same valuesas wellon sustainableand ethicsbased wayto face technologyand it's on those groundsthe sustainablethosethat we have a dialoguethat we have aconversationand we even haveoperationalyou knowalliancewith the et alaband other apparatusbut I don'tthink it isnecessaryfor the peopleto recognizefirst thestate apparatusand thenthe governmentssystemI think thegovernance systemand internationalsolidarityaroundthis kind ofnew democratic toolsthey takemuch higherpriorityto me personallythan anystate apparatusso you meanthat thedebatebetweenthe factthat we haveto be friendswith Chinawe haveto be independentwe haveto be carefulof Chinawe don'tcare about Chinathis is oldfationthis isall the waywell I thinkyeah it isof course dangerousto confusethe territorywith the mapand there'slike there's a realland rightherein in Taiwanwe have the mountainsthe ecologythe seathe diversityof marine speciesand that existsthat is thephysisthat is not thenomosthat is not thenamethis is the actualitybut if youof coursework on a more stateof our world calledmultilateralfashionthen of coursethe ideais thatall thisphysicalexistencemust be representedby a state apparatusand forthe state apparatusto represent itselfin amultilateralrelationshipand the cyberspaceor any other toolsthat we just talk aboutare just powerprojectionsof individual statesbut I thinkinternet was createdI would even say countercultureto this kind ofstate-based thinkinginternetpeople were affectedby climate changepeople were affectedby other globalphenomenathey unite togetherin their own networkeven the blockchainthey unite togetherin a way that transcendsthose boundariesbut they stillfeel very muchlike a governancesystem themselvesthey alsomake decisions togetherbut they don'twait for their presidentsor kingsor whateverto makethose decisionsthey just makethe decisionswith any like-mindedpeople around the worldso I wouldn't saythis is irrelevantor obsoleteI'm just sayingpersonallyI'm focusingmost of my energyto thesenew formsof organizations20 yearsalmost20 years agoI camefor the first timehere in Taiwanandaskedto the peoplewhat does it meanto be Taiwanesewhat kindofdefinitionwill you giveabouttheTaiwaneseidentitywellto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto beto be wellto beto beto beworking withawa with otherpeoplewith other peoplewith other people with otherpeoplewith other peoplewere in Taiwanwith other peoplein Taiwanwere in Taiwanmeanthe key Bottom Lisa them前面有一個國內的國務官就像我所說的要像是一個國內的市民和其他國家的其他身份但首先國內的國務官和其他民主都要改變所以可以留在這裡三年和保持自己的原本的國內市民然後還要加入台灣在自己的國內市民還有20年前的我沒想到但是今天是正常的我們正在想要有更多人也要告訴他們不僅要告訴他們如果他們認同我不知道不是像是一個戰爭或者是一個戰爭而是一個目標像是M.A.Tamani Sankar為什麼不因為我提到的國際文化他們以前是 sub-coachers20年前如果大家問人們他們真的能否認識更多他們的社會主義和目的他們想要看世界他們可能會說他們是環境活動人但這個主動不絕對他們是台灣人他們也會說我也是台灣人但他們不是他們的主動人我們在做的是這些價值系統很多人都會帶來台灣我們在社會中很開放我們想要有一個民主的領域讓所有人的聲音變得更大那些人可以承認他們的價值找出一些解決方法作為其他非常不同的問題但是這不是因為你們台灣人而是因為他們願意參與台灣民主的領域可能在幾年後他們會突然但是它是一種改善,而不是一種延遲的改善所以我覺得它是一個很軟的東西那些人就像澳洲人一樣開始看到台灣的價值而不是一個唯一的價值二十年代的時候是全是關於價值而現在我們是絕對無奈的而現在我們是絕對無奈的而現在我們是絕對無奈的而現在我們是絕對的的是透過我們開始 redefine台灣的平台這些價值是和在一起變成了圓形人們可以 Gradually 累積就是今天