 just found out my uncle's taking Viagra my aunt's taking it hard It's called, I think this is actually a film companion thing, but it's kind of like a mashup. It's called a mutual fan club of Naserid and Shah in Yofan Khan. So I think they were a heart mutual fans of each other, which makes them do not be both of them are incredibly natural Extremely gifted actors. And so it doesn't surprise me that they have a mutual love for one another So I think this is like a compilation of Them speaking of each other each other. Ah, this is beautiful We need to watch more to say obviously we will watch everything you're fond of eventually and I would absolutely Want to see have they done anything together, please? How could they not have they had to have could you imagine if we had had the opportunity or maybe it's filmed somewhere Like there's some people who I've always dreamed of watching them on stage To have seen the serrat and Sean Irfan on stage together. Oh, yeah them doing Waiting for good. Oh, yes. I knew you were gonna say that that would that would do it That would have been gorgeous. You know who could still do that. Oh, he loves theater Yeah, you could still there's a number of actors you could put up on stage to do waiting for Godot. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, here we go Waiting for Godot Irfan passed away. I read this lovely thing you said in an interview with the Indian Express You said that when you watched him at you always felt like Salieri to his Mozart Oh Yeah, seriously he had that you didn't really he was much more natural assured In his beliefs of my I was not I was only agitated and a certain Do you know jokra will test to that's a great comparison then I was an agitated Young fellow who was not sure of himself yet Pretended to be sure of himself And thus I got into very many unpleasant situations You know the filmmakers I worked with all of whom luckily stayed friends That sense of self-doubt He was a more evolved actor that I Had only been sorry to my friends, but I love it. I just wish I had been this good I was busy in the feeling of regret any any doubts about yourself doubt was when I was I This thought came in my mind that I cannot become an actor, but the way I saw your performance It was not a doubt that whether I could become an actor I knew that there's a possibility I can become an actor Do I fit in so I used to watch myself and I used to find similarities between other actors So those kind of things you know those were the doubts, but and and I think one can take a little bit of credit for that Because had we not been around this generation would not have been around in the same way as has the Barbarasanis and Mopilas Not been around maybe home and have not appeared Those people formed the context for actors like home and myself like we've formed the context for actors Unusual But when I watch you performance of Naseesa or quick from the lip Kumar or Some other film suddenly gave me a direction where to go. I didn't want to come to the industry just to you know Show yourself. I was looking for something which can give me a direction and this performance Don't give me a direction that Life is a subject You know character is a subject that is possible to do in in cinema in this and you can you can get both in Cinema by reflecting life. I was very naive, but still you know that gave me a direction that you know I can do this But that is what I thought about fun that he he's got his craft down and I directed him Tell me my maid and I found him to be the most receptive Easiest to direct actor. I Just had to tell him the thing once and He would not only deliver he would go beyond You know, that's right. I've seldom seen that a lot of actors will do what you ask them to do And if the fight is drawn out their own color It funded that Everless actor. I don't think that I don't think I've seen a Weak performance by one except perhaps in a in parts of the life of highway But he tried to do an opinion action for something But apart from that interesting, I don't think I've seen a week in the mouse by fun So first nation point was later when when you know when I was just waiting waiting waiting and getting bored with acting I Was bored with acting because you were repeating in Intellivision you're repeating the same conflict again and again And if you want to experiment if you want to do some changes or if you want to take time You want to behave in television. They don't allow because it takes time or time is money for them Like a live ball with the live ball live ball live ball And then one day you talk about that first experience of discovering What it was like to be on stage to be an actor and you describe it as being Submerged in loop Which is just the most beautiful line ever How do you nurture this this experience this high, you know this kind of feeling of being submerged How are you nurturing it for more than five I'm trying to understand more about the nature of the stage There was a time when I believed in Realism on stage I believe that when you perform a play the viewers Must feel this is actually happening Everything must must reflect life. It must be a slice of life But I found that any of those kind of place that I watched which was which was set in a kitchen or which was set in a bedroom or you know Massage parlor or something like that Never never really rang as true as I felt they should Even the ones I saw abroad Because the audience never forgets they're in the theater a few times They can see the lights they can see the curtains flapping They can see through the wings and see people moving around backstage. They can see the proscenium They have 20 people sitting around them. So how can they how can they forget that you can't expect them to so it's futile To try to persuade them that this is actually happening. It's better to remind them that you're watching a play Good evening. We are actors. You are audience welcome. I hope you're comfortable We're going to tell you story about this and that and you begin the place. Hope you demolish this so-called fourth wall There's no fourth wall The audience an actor of one and that is why I like to before the play begins The actors to enter on the stage or be around on the stage and chatting with your members of the audience Wow, I don't believe it is creating this sense of mystery about the play So silence and some heavy music is playing and there's violent lights and the audience sits in this What the hell are we going to see kind of mood? I hate that the audience must come there in a cheerful receptive frame of mind and And the place should not destroy that The actors must stand visible and That is the philosophy with which I now work in the theater because to me It's a means of contact with people. I have a slight problem with people. I Don't know why it would take too long to talk about that I'm not very comfortable with with strangers and and so on. I find it difficult to start a conversation On stage, I can get through the 200 people at the theater a thousand people at the Tata theater 500 people at the this hour Generally get through to them and know that Being in contact with them to me. That's very very Precious much more precious than the applause And and people coming backstage and joining but they liked it and all these things are good but to me the act itself has a certain amount of Holiness in it. It's the only word I can use I Don't like to use words like that in connection with acting. There's nothing metaphysical about acting It's all hard work. It's labor But there is a sense of the sacred at times That's what it is. And that's why I enjoyed the theater a little more Because it's a living thing You can we've been doing the same play Several of the same place for over 20-30 years now. What are we doing for 40 years? You can you can keep finding things in great writing Unlike a film where you've done it once it's not and it will be seen for eternity Terrifies me. My film will be seen a hundred years later My only struggle was to sustain my my my inspiration Because there was nothing around in Delhi at least you have cinema you have theater there was so many things to get inspired and That time I realized that it's not my inner call to be an actor It's a it's a it's a cultivated desire to become an actor And That's why I had to I had to keep my inspiration going So the first thing I did from my first early. I bought a BCR And and then I started watching you know to keep myself, you know, just to just to engage or Not to get bored by my own profession. That was my struggle. It was a long struggle No, what I'm really interested to know is Is Jabi is not that you know you were getting parts like the sidekick and so on Come here. I'll have to meet my character. I mean Failure for me. I'm very nice. He's also been good. I think my cover manga My password. There was no other other way to survive People suggested me where I when I told them my well-wishers When I when I disclosed my my my inner plan that I want to go to drama school They said, okay, you go to drama school first. Do your MA. Take a job As a teacher or something and then he pursue your I said no way There and I was I was too too driven to learn the craft If NSD wasn't there if you wouldn't have been there, I don't think I would have come here So as he was something, you know, which I wanted to go and I was I I was not eligible to go because I didn't do too many plays So, you know, I just You know You know stupid. I did a serious play like a person. I'm sure The first I got a role of that. You know to produce a son Proposal not the main. No, I was too young So my only concern at that time was I used to think Yeah, Naseer Saheb They think it's okay. I wouldn't be better for me Only thought because I used to tell you Many performance they can do. Yes, I know I used to think like that Thank you Shreya. Thank you, Shreya That was a lot in there. It was a lot and also I love how your phone says I wanted to learn the craft when he Is the craft? Yeah, I don't think he had to learn anything. No, and I Find intriguing and it's a really great lesson. I am probably gonna add to the things when I'm teaching about acting He said something deeply important and revelatory that for him It was not a calling. It was this this compulsion for you and I think one of the reasons he's so effortless and so good is because One of the most important lessons an actor can have this is gonna sound strange at first Is is stop caring Stop caring what people think Stop caring about what your career is gonna be stop caring about whether you're gonna be liked and just Focus on the work. He was focused on the work. I think that's why he could be so effortless He still cared obviously. He just said what would necessarily think of this, you know And he was wanting to always get better But when it came down to the actual work itself, it wasn't my destiny must be fulfilled It was I've got to do this work And I don't want to be bored and then when I get the work the only thing that matters is that I execute the work everything else I don't care. Yeah, I don't care if you like me. I don't care if I'm likeable. I just want to be in the moment Yeah, that's an important for any actor to learn if they want to be considered a great actor in terms of the craft Yeah, and not just a star or something exactly that has a massive career, which is great There's nothing wrong with that, but obviously These two gentlemen, especially or I think very focused on it's very interesting to hear and to sered and talk about his views on on theater very Very I've never heard anybody say that I have never heard any actor talk about theater like that Yeah, and it's so interesting because There's definitely stuff that you like Okay, that's interesting And obviously I would love to talk about it with them a lot more because that's that's a subject that you can get deep into Yeah, and it's a definite particular style of Theatrical performance that I would love to go watch. I'd love to be involved in it is not my I'm a avid proponent and pounding the table of The stuff he hates in theater. I love creating the ambiance before they're there I don't think an actor should see the audience before the show, but what I love to be working with somebody I was in a theater group a long time ago called Trinity and it was a workspace where the work of what the troupe was doing was just put on display and Oftentimes that fourth wall was broken. Sometimes it wasn't so all of that experimental aspect to it and the inner relationship as well as the D Mythological making of it. I do love that aspect and I find that to be very groundbreaking and a really unique way to go about it But yeah, very seldom if I heard people say that's they that they hate the other Yeah, never heard an actor say they hate the other version. Yeah, he's been doing it a long time Sure, he knows what he likes. Yeah, he sure does. I would love to see him in a play Oh, I would love to see him in a play. I was like when we got to see Al Pacino In a play. Yeah, that's like a once-in-a-lifetime kind of thing. Let's see Meryl Streep. Meryl Streep they play. Yeah, absolutely So let us know what's next necessarily and earphone of course that we should watch next down