 are you ready okay so welcome everybody we are here to praise to talk about our project caliopon it's about merely privacy and x matrix in digital communication I am emrick and I am Stan okay we have to speak with one we make microphone for both so it's we have to be something okay thank you so we are for privacy indexes what is privacy you know all what is privacy but in digital communication I think that we lost all of the privacy so caliopon is a project is a product to bring back to users their privacy we will describe all we want to make this possible okay caliopon handle of private exchange today is not about email when we communicate it's about me multi protocols it can be Skype it can be Twitter direct message it can be Facebook messenger a lot of and some are oriented for privacy like sign sign all telegram for end-to-end encryption and the guarantee that people get the privacy and communication and only be between users but we don't speak about protocols we want to speak about contents about who discuss with whom it's not when we speak with Twitter or Facebook it's not only protocols it's about people speaking to gathers so caliopon is discussion oriented is not protocol we want to gather all communication between same people on the same place on the same discussions protocols matter only for privacy privacy measurements it's about depending on protocol user we have not the same privacy and so caliopon will try to have to compute that's privacy by them protocols but not only protocols it's about all those other things that interact between people communicating so privacy index is nothing new maybe I'm an old geyser with a view schnuck in France but I was used to be able to know when something is private or not when I send a letter and I put it in an envelope I seal the envelope and I know that's no one else that than the recipient can read it and if I send a postcard and I write on my postcard my address and the code to enter to my home and I say you can find the key just on the right of my door I know that's it's not private and that everybody can read the postcard and see what's on it so it's easy for me to it was easy for me to to to know when something is private and what is when it's not private and the problem is it should be the same on the internet we should be able to be to see easily when something is private and when it's not private but it seems that it's not really the case we are losing the control of our mailbox or our and our overall communication we don't know exactly what's happened and what's going on so we need to have some matrix or some something just to show to see that something is private or less and more private and this is the other problem issue is that we can say on the internet that something is private or it's not private something it's a level of privacy the shades of privacy and we we need to to to see that to feel it and to be able to have something as easy that's in the in the in the real life with later with paper with envelope so we need to recreate in digital age what was easy to understand in the paper age okay but the fact is the internet was not designed for that purpose when it was built it's about telnet FTP communications are in clear text on the wire and also SMTP with multi really multi hop is not secure there is not privacy it's clear text over the the internet and starting at 95 95 SSH happiness also TLS at the time but it's not for users TLS was an SSL on TLS was built to guarantee bank transactions over the internet to permit to have the number card number to not be in clear on the wire it's normal who want to have this credit card number visible but all admissible by all people that can be that can see the the the flows on the internet it's a problem so no in this century we try to be the week began to have a new protocols new secureization possibilities but as I said it disparate it's multi protocols it's many things that you have many way to communicate with each other's today email can be secure for me I'm a technical guy I know I can secure my emails but not all my communications only the body the content of the message can be encrypted metadata still exists and can be top tapered by governments or also other peoples it's a real problem it's a real problem for privacy we can know who speak with whom we have metadata give a lot of informations maybe more than for the content itself that's it can be a short message with no interest but metadata is really important and we have to find a way emails still have this problem darkmail Alliance try to find a way to evolve SMTP protocols to make it more secure and leak less metadata other protocols acting and to end encryptions want to hide much metadata as possible that's where we are but is it enough is it complete no it's not because multi protocols music sings and oh what how can we do that so many many tools you is are not secure at all Facebook messenger Twitter direct message are not we can use a bit of PGP in these protocols but who who protects this kind of things I think no one see someone use PGP in a Facebook no yeah oh only one okay that's fine but you can't use it on your smartphone the PGP is only available on your browser side with Facebook when you enable PGP you can't use it anymore it's a problem because our usage is also with other device with other practice so we have to find a way to show oh it's secure or not so that's as I say metadata is important because it's exposed all our social graph we speak about social networks so we have a lot of friend of friends on Facebook on Twitter and others diaspora or other tools like this it's important we have to interact with people we know with for professional for personal reasons but it's really a problem because it's not a technical port it's not about the protocol itself it's about who speak with whom and when I am a user securing myself on my emails maybe I will speak with other people's and people's are on gaffer provider like Google Facebook others and it's really important because I can get all my interest to get a privacy but my contact won't have so it's not it's not okay we lose a part of the privacy it's important to get back to get this and this interesting about social graph so digital age and closes the act of communicating in two technical black boxes making very difficult for us to understand what's underlying what's we want to do with this call you open and with the privacy index is to make privacy very visible again that's our main goal make privacy visible again we need to find how we can and when I say we I speak as a community of developers we need to find how to make privacy visible again and to build user interface that's always show how why what level of privacy you are in with the person you communicate with or when we you send this kind of message with this kind of channel and this way we don't want to to guilty the the user and to make them responsible something like this of doing bad action by by sending a message with low privacy level over insecure channel we just want to show how the privacy privacy is to make to give the desired for the user to improve their privacy index and to change their behavior and to change the way they communicate and to ask for tools for the the the platform they use to be more informational about what is the privacy what is the protocol underlying what's happening and two have tools that can be easy easy to use as the the envelope and later in the envelope is so that's real the challenge we want to bring on the table with Cal you open because we are at an early stage of the of the process of building this privacy index and this user interface but we have start started the process and and we want to build this kind of user interface that can make the privacy again visible so it's about privacy and access and I just pick about a mailbox but it's only a way to communicate and I like it's what said before you can drop emails people still using emails my bank communicate with me using emails other friends it's a asynchronous process and we can drop it so easily but so email it's technically easy to get measurements for the privacy oh secure watches was it it's we which were which really was used was secure protocol use on the end termination of the connection the network communication communication the content also is it PGP or some things is it all metadata are what was liquid a practice in PGP for example it's not to set a subject on the email that is related with the content because you really like metadata we leak a part of the message you want to deliver privately it's not okay but it's only the technical ports and I will always there with all the others aspect like I said the social graph is important so privacy is not only technical it's about other dimensions it's like social it's like stand sale behavioral during the time oh I use my communication communication tools do I want to have a privacy and continue to use strictly PGP or others encryption tools but there is also an important part like we said before it's about the contextual usage of our communication where we use the communication tools is it at home is it hard work is it in a public place or in those tubes on in the booth a metro okay it's not this part of usage is really important because because it's a really it's a new usage smartphone bring us a new type of uses but before it was desktop at home at work after it was laptop we can bring here and now also smartphone is an important device it's also an important part of the analysis yeah so the device case as Shamal said we can we think as a developer on the Gallup and project and working on the privacy index we think that we can easily build some metrics for the technical point of view measure how the protocol was how secure it was what was the ops on the email the header was in close or not etc. it's it's not easy very easy but it's not very difficult to assess this but there are a lot of other issues and information to take account to to try to build a privacy index take for example the device I'm using is it a smartphone is it a laptop this is it can influence the privacy index but what kind of diva what kind of smartphone is it is it an Android is it an iPhone it influence the privacy index and what is the connection is it a GSM connection or is it a Wi-Fi is it a public Wi-Fi or is it a private Wi-Fi is it a Wi-Fi in Tunisia agree par l'état means state in force that's okay I'm the state of Tunisia and I say this way phase okay no so we need to take account of all this kind of contextual and behavioral information to build the privacy index so what we want to say today is that we as developer we need to take accounts the privacy index and try to calculate it's on a technical point of view but we as developer need also to work with psychologists sociologists a lot of other UX designer a lot of other competences to help us to bring all the use case that builds a privacy index and to try to find how we can take accounts of all the contextual and not only is a technical one and so the challenge is that it would be great if we can build software that could prevent me or help me to exchange important message over poor privacy channels or with correspondents that have poor privacy index again it's not the the the M is not to to be guilty but just to help user to make the righteous in the right situation with the right context for the right message and because today in digital age it's very very tough to do this choice because we don't know so we need this kind of software and that's what we are trying to do with Kelly open it's about displaying a flag monkey see monkey do what is about it's like as Stan said it's a the envelope the other the letter is Kelly open will show a privacy index with informations about technical behavior all other dimensions about communication privacy considerations and this information will be available for each element in Kelly open a message other privacy a contact other privacy also but also the users using Kelly open of his own privacy index and in the little ideal world users on Kelly open we can be able to see other user privacy index and know oh I can come in it with this other users in a priority in privacy manner it's about all of that the time is up so I have to to stop and it's an effort you are you have we want to bring a community to to get privacy back to all users not technical guys that we are we are able to to to encrypt communication once like this so no we have to bring back to all users their privacy for Kelly open have to be a simple tools to make possible to see or provide is all of our communications so thank you yeah thank you again and and just join us because this is a call of participate of part with us participation excuse me we are here for the first presentation of Kelly open and privacy index so this is really a work in progress we are at the beginning of the process we are a whole team on this and we hopefully come next year to show you what we have done in one year but we need help with for from other developers and not only developers thank you we have two minutes for questions we have a two years project now with the MVP for Kelly open so we have an alpha product for October of this year it's a two years project actually with UPM say University Paul and Marie Curie and quant on Gondinette where we are working well and it will be a alpha release for make user testing all that will be a take this product so the MVP will be a platform to exchange email basically the first will be on email and with how we can show privacy index on the interface but we don't know really if we will be able to calculate some privacy index this October yeah yeah private and like deciding what device we consider more private or not seems to be very biased. Do you have any any ideas how to tackle that issue? So the question was there are a lot of bias when we want to assess privacy index because we have to make a lot of assumptions and we have a lot of is there are a lot of three areas we don't know something and that's the issue. That's what is difficult to calculate the privacy index and really we don't know how to do it but we want to do it step by step so first we will measure what we can measure so what we can definitely see when something comes or when and we want to slightly gather more and more contributors and maybe proposal, maybe ideas and to find how we can assess the kind of user case you spoke about and to see how we can handle this and we think that we can't have just one matrix to measure the privacy index we will need to balance between different metrics and we think it may take years to build the privacy index because there is a lot of great area and it's very difficult but that's why we are here and we want to gather communities around this concept because we need it. Time's up. Time's up. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't finish the trick. Sorry, I didn't finish the trick. Matrix. Who is the guy for Matrix? No. Who is the guy for Matrix? No. Wait. I guess he will arrive. How about this? How about this? We're going to have to do some lighting talk at the end of the day.