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Time of world history mass pandemic mass hysteria mess just The world is a crazy place right now, but I'm gonna debate this flat or topic I guess probably one last time and we see what happens after that. So My opening same as usually sound the same every time because My arguments have yet to be refuted. So I'm just gonna keep saying them like a broken record. So Obviously the three propositions that I have is an experiment proving that water can adhere to the exterior of a shape by virtual gravity alone As I've never seen a single experiment once proving it Then we have the air in a vacuum How does the air adhere to the exterior of a shape in a vacuum? I've yet to see a single experiment from that and then we have the space time the bending of time I would love to know how Time is bent. Do you use a wrench or do you use a some kind of a vise or like I Would love to know how you bend time Can you shatter dreams? Can you? Maybe tear apart Love I mean, how does this happen? Like this is there's no Method as to how this can possibly ever happen. You cannot bend space. You cannot bend time if you can't bend Concepts you don't have space time if you don't have space time You don't have gravity if you don't have gravity you don't have around earth. I'm sorry I don't so we'll go back to my first proposition, which is the Water adhering to the exterior of a shape by virtue of gravity alone all of the evidence that I have gotten for this in my I don't know three four years of debating this topic was Who is it with the almost I was what's his name team skeptic? Giving me the Demonstration not a scientific experiment obviously not a scientific experiment because the Globes have absolutely Zero scientific experiments to prove a single shred of anything that they believe whatsoever nothing They have absolutely nothing they have no evidence So I require a scientific experiment to prove this phenomenon. What do I get I get from team skeptic? One of the YouTube flat earth debunking channels He shows me a demonstration of astronauts in the ISS now Let's just play ball here We'll just play ball and just act like the ISS is real and there's actually real astronauts inside the ISS So I'll just play ball with that even though I don't believe that but we'll just go along with the fairytale Even if that were real that there are astronauts inside of an ISS flying around the earth at 30,000 miles an hour whatever the hell it is The water inside of the ISS is not forming a sphere because of gravity. It has absolutely positively nothing whatsoever to do with gravity or nothing but that's to do with the The volume the minimum volume of a shape is a sphere That's just how it works. That's just how it is. So that's what happens in space Even if space were real so what so the fact that the water and which has an ease of properties is it all adhering to each other and You know surface tension at play Is forming a sphere because that is the minimum volume that a shape takes Period has nothing to do with whatsoever gravity. This is the evidence that i'm presented To show that water forms a sphere with gravity and then he puts And then you see in the demonstration the he puts like a little object inside of the sphere of water It says oh look water adhering to the exterior of a shape my rotor of gravity, but there's no gravity There's no gravity up there. It's ridiculous. There's no gravity up there number one and number two It's sticking to the object because water adheres. That's what happens. It's cohesive It's you know, it's just absolutely ridiculous. You just get no no real scientific experiments for anything whatsoever Of the global earth dad These are the three experiments that I request and if I do not receive a single scientific experiment to prove Any three of my propositions to be true I'm going to continue to be the Florida for the rest of my life and that's that's that's it because these are three of the most quintessential claims of Like these are just the three most quintessential claims of the global earth if you have a global earth You have to have water around the global earth flying around in space Hundreds of millions of thousands of miles an hour flying through the freaking universe and not a single drop of water flies off But we have no experiments to prove any of this. So I just don't believe you. I just think you're full of shit I just think every global earth is full of crap. I just think they're just Religious they have religious beliefs. That's perfectly fine But uh, don't tell me that your religious beliefs are true without any kind of scientific Collaboration to prove what you believe Uh, obviously then we have the atmosphere and in a vacuum. What did you know, uh What's his name team team fraud show me he shows me obviously guess in a tank in a container Because you can't do it any other way. It's ridiculous So he throws me gas in a tank and the gas in the tank is more dense than the gas outside And then they put the tin foil on it. Well, it's in a tank. It's in a container So obviously if you remove the container, what happens to the gas inside that container just wants to expand immediately Because otherwise it's held in a container. It doesn't know where to go So again, even even with that even with that video that he showed me that's not a scientific experiment either Which is ridiculous And then you know, obviously I want a scientific experiment for and then also well, what was it, uh The other guy fight the flat earth also shows me, uh, you know, the The what was it atomic nuclear reactor or something like that with the the electromagnetic forces pulling plasma Towards the core of the atomic nuclear reactor, whatever it was Well, number one the gas in the The gas that's surrounding the earth is not plasma Plasma has an attraction towards electromagnetism, right? That's how you get that effect is with electromagnetism, right? So it's like, you know I there's really no like I can't even make an analogy to it. It's because electromagnetism is 10 to the 36 times more powerful than gravity So there's really no People don't even understand the value of these numbers the size of these numbers to put it into perspective There are 10 to the 20 Observable stars in the entire universe in the the whole universe that we can see with the most powerful telescopes There is 10 to the 20 stars in the universe The difference in force the difference in forces the difference in strength Excuse me between gravity and electromagnetism is 10 to the 36 Times it's a sextillion 100 sextillion times stronger still even if gravity were 10 to the 20th Even if that gravity was 10 to the 20th electromagnetism would still be at 100 sextillion times stronger It's just ridiculous how you can use electromagnetism to prove that anything can can do with gravity. It's just They are completely different forces with completely different attractive properties They they attract different things in the universe with different ratios and different, you know, it's just this I can't make a worse exaggerated Analogy they just it's nothing that I can work with I all I could probably imagine is probably making an analogy to what an infant trying to lift up a the Mount Everest It's just it's just ridiculous. There is no experiments whatsoever for the global Um, and then obviously you have space time, which is you know, just ridiculous There is just not a shred of evidence for space time whatsoever Um, you know, you have the problem with the you know, the dark people inventing dark meta to accommodate for the Failure of gravity because gravity is a failure gravity doesn't explain everything in the universe gravity doesn't explain The stars at the edge of the galaxy moving. What was it? I think 10 10 times faster than what the mathematics What the global does love right the global does love math because they don't worry that's just based around math That's all they care about. They don't care about experiments. They don't care about physical demonstrable imperial clever It's all they care about is piece of paper for mathematical equations, which have no relation to reality quoted by nicola tesla So when they do that with that math, oh, what happens? Oh, well now that math that you worship It doesn't work when you talk about the stars at the edge of the galaxy Right. So now what do they do instead of saying? Oh, well, hey, maybe gravity is wrong guys Maybe, you know, maybe we got it all wrong Maybe we started out the book and you'll come up with a new theory as to why, you know These things are happening in the earth what they do is they can't do that because that's too much of a paradigm shift So what they do is they just invent dark matter. Hey guys, let's just say that there's just this is invisible matter out there And we'll just say that that's what's causing all of this all of these stars that are moving, you know 10 times faster than what the mathematics shows that they should be moving at which is just the most scientifically illiterate statement that you could possibly Ever make it's just it's dark matter is at 100 it is an invention. Okay. There is no evidence whatsoever prove it it's I mean, it's just it's just ridiculous. I just look at the global then it's just it's just really absurd to me that there's just no Scientific experiment whatsoever to prove any of my three propositions and that's why, you know I was an atheist global at the atheist experience watching, you know drone Dawkins and all that garbage my whole life and you know, and then when I found the evidence, you know For the global lacking that there is no scientific evidence to prove water and air and you know adhering to the shape and uh Space time can't be bent because space and time with two concepts. You can't bend concepts Right, so What's the evidence? There's just no evidence and unless these three claims can be proven Then I'm just gonna refuse to believe anything that Plano walk is gonna say and I think I'm done Gotcha. Thanks so much for that wotan and just a quick update couple of updates I have put the speakers links in the description So they are definitely there now waiting for you in case you're like, hmm. I like that I don't want more and want to let you know you'll see at the bottom right of your screen We just booked it today We are excited that we will have hunter avalone and Joel Patrick on one week from today They'll be discussing the bible and homosexuality as well as if time permits the transgender issue So that should be a wild one folks and with that I have the timer set planner walk Thanks so much. The floor is all yours and a pleasure to have you Oh, I think you uh got yourself on mute yet. Let me check over on Oh, yeah, um, I did have myself on mute. Sorry about that So yeah, it's a pleasure to be on and I did like that small tesset Maybe wotan didn't catch it But you know having to invent dark matter because Some because apparently the maths is off, but it's only off of the globe model With stars at the edge of the galaxy that would For them to have to invent dark matter would mean that the galaxy has to have an edge So that's a small tesset admission that the globe model or the heliocentric model is correct But we'll ignore that for now anyway So, yeah You brought up a few things like water sticking to a ball And all that and you want I don't know if you want particular experiments or if Or if an array of experiments can do because yeah, like this can easily It can easily be shown that water can stick to a ball if you use an array of experiments rather than just one singular experiment But I think that the main things or the main reasons why I think the earth is a globe is due to observations like you can take Tampa Bay observations and that will show that there is There is obstruction of buildings in the distance There's been multiple observations I even ranty took a few observations of a boat sinking over the horizon And no amount of zoom is going to bring that boat back there's also There's also things like The stars as you I cannot Far to go outside at night. I would not be able to see Polaris Just general stuff like that shows that the earth is That the earth is a globe and You can get into really niche things. Thanks bob. Um, and There's there's foca focals pendulum There's heaps of things that prove that the earth is all I won't say proved but they give evidence that the earth is a globe spinning at 15 degrees per hour and so I don't want Just go up too much but So y'all and end it there Thanks so much planner walk. We will now be jumping into the Open discussion Want to let you know our service is a little bit rough ever since COVID My guess is a lot of people are on the web now. I don't know if that makes a difference But that's the rumor. So maybe that's why right now our connections ebbing and flowing So with that though, we will go right into the open discussion It should be strong enough to where everything should be audible So thanks for your patience and the floor is all yours gentlemen So I just want to address something that you said about the helium Being correct because you bring the edge of the galaxy you want to elaborate on that exactly what you mean by that well You want to bring up that stars at the edge of the galaxy Don't work then you're kind of somewhat admitting that there's an edge of emission that there is a galaxy which Well, I don't believe that there's no galaxies I The earth could listen the earth could be a A trapezoid and it could be galaxies. What is the the existence of a galaxy? Have anything to do with the shape of the earth? I mean, that's a very amazing That is a very amazing Thing that I've never heard from any flat earth. I usually they say space is fake. So Therefore All right, a whole lot of things that you say wouldn't work with wouldn't work with that Well, I think you're you're misrepresenting what we say we say space is fake what we made that we were saying that like in a kind of a How do you say a provocative type of way? So what we mean is that you know space isn't this vacuum void and you know, there's these other, you know, physical Planets out there that you can land on a lot of you know, I'm pretty sure some flat earth is you know They could believe that they are physical what they say they what they say is that you know We don't know and I think that's more of an honest position And I like the quota Richard Feynman who says, you know, I'd rather say I don't know Rather say that you do know when you could be wrong So I think the more honest position for me is to say that I simply don't know whether you know other planets out there Whatever else is out there is real. I'd rather just say, you know, I don't know I think that's more of an honest position and uh, you know, when we say space is fake We don't mean that like, you know Planets are fake and the stars are fake and you know the moon is fake and the sun is fake But we don't that's not our position at all Okay, well Let's get to your three propositions because I do want to address those So your first one was water sticking to a ball Right Okay So what would it what experiment would you propose to test if water can stick to a ball by virtue of uh, gravity alone Put a a round object somewhere. I don't know where I did, you know, it's this is your experiment This is your claim. So this is this is really all I knew but you know, what I would like to see is, you know Some object of some shape. Well, obviously, you know round, you know, because that's that's the hypothesis They thought this round so a round object with water on the outside of the object and the water on the outside Of the object has some depth to it. Not that it's, you know, just, you know, the minimal Um depth of water that surface tension would allow before it drips to the bottom of the sphere and just drips off the bottom, but I'm talking about like water with some depth to it, you know, maybe maybe even accurately like take the into account, you know, the Size of the earth, you know, without water and That down and then take, you know, the thickness of the deepest parts around that sphere so that you have a scale, you know one-to-one ratio of, you know, the depth of the water The size of the object that you're using in the experiment and make that water, you know Somehow hover, you know, stick it here around that object by virtue of gravity. I know what the force. Okay, so How would you eliminate the earth's gravity in that experiment? Eliminate the earth's gravity go to Go outside of the I think there's a rain. What is it? Is a name for it? When you go outside the range of the of all of the objects and spaces gravity I forgot the name for it. Is it the Lagrange area? I forgot. I forgot what the fuck it's called. Um, but uh, Yeah, that that's that's what it would require because you see that that's the problem that I have is that like you really can't do this experiment Because it's impossible and I've you know, I actually got into a discussion This was years ago About, you know, two three years ago with uh, reds rhetoric and he told me that This is probably the most fallacious thing I've ever heard from aglow bertha. This is exactly what I'm not even power If I'm literally like this is almost word for word what he said I am slightly paraphrasing, but the gist of what he said was Uh, and I was I was asking him for an experiment to prove that water couldn't hit the exterior of the shape by virtue of gravity alone And what he says is oh, well, you know, what's on we can't do that because we would need a planet the size of the earth To replicate that. Oh, well, then you're just completely full of ship because now you're bugging question, aren't you? Well, if you didn't have a planet this well, I wouldn't say it needs to be exactly the size of the earth Think that it would be you know Sorry, you broke up to it on the moon or something like that. Um Okay, I was just saying I don't think you need a planet the size of the earth. It could be a bit smaller. It's just You'd have less force pulling it to The object like you could probably do it on the moon. I'd have to double check it though. So What good luck with that Yeah, I mean nasa's um, or at least they say they're sending people to the moon Yeah, so I would like to slightly just touch on On your I would like to touch on your thoughts of the moon landings real quick So I watched your previous debate with flared earth osi jesus and it was like 20 minutes in Uh, you you said that you don't believe that the moon landings are fake because You The people Yeah, I don't think they had the technology Okay, are you doing what I say I was thinking Well, would you be Um, would you Excuse me. You broke you breaking up. I'm sorry. We uh, let's see. Would you be able to make the moon landings you? No, he's right now. It's just sometimes he breaks up a little bit because you know, it's not it's actually it's on our site as well We've got some buffering reports. So, uh I am going to see what I can do over here Uh Desperate times call for desperate measures folks. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to turn off planner walks Uh incoming video and see if that helps. Okay. I'll I'll also turn off my uh outgoing That might make a small difference. So, uh Solid says the stream is falling apart. Well, thank you solid always happy to have you here and don't worry We're gonna do what we can folks. We uh when life gives you lemons you make lemonade So we'll do what we can and Right now during covet. It's uh, I don't know if it's a coincidence or not But it has been a rough one lately in terms of our connection even though we've uh Asked our provider to we've actually paid them For stronger service. But yes, I rearrange your man. The stream is getting unwatchable But hopefully it will at least be listenable as we have this kind of uh, I think the video off would solve it Awesome. Thanks so much So, uh, yeah, just a touch up. So I was saying that you know, uh, uh planner walks, uh Argument for not believing in the moonlight that the moon lane is fake is because he doesn't believe that they can't be faked and that is a patent definition 100% definite is that is the literal definition of the appeal to Which is a lot of fallacy. Would you be out? I he would be here's my challenge to anybody that believes that the Fake Using the technology that nasa would have had available at the time Okay, then look, um realistic enough to uh, what nasa has, um to what nasa has You Can then Yeah, I the moon landings. I mean, there's really no There's really no Right at some cameras. That's all you have to do. There's really nothing There's no like you're trying to say they're like, oh you Be funny is you need you're saying you need all of this kind of advanced technology to fake something in a movie studio We take two advanced technology. They had color cameras back then they had, you know wires and they Would studio was obviously back then it really doesn't take that much technology to fake it to go there With these rocket bushes and these advanced technological equipment and You've got to deal with the radiation and the the vacuum of space and you got a sonar exact that exact moment in space because you know The gravity the mathematical equations for the gravitational forces of the earth and the moon are going to be different when they're in different positions and you've got to be able you know, there's so much that you need to take into account. There's so much more technology and Anthematics and planning and money and there's just so much like there's so much more involved with you Actually going to the moon rather than faking it faking it as easy faking it as the easiest um, so I didn't I didn't appear to your can do alty. No, I'm just I'm just pointing out your fallacy. You're saying that You don't believe that the the moon landings can be fake because you're saying oh well because you're saying oh well She proved to me that you could fake it with the technology technology they have back then. Okay, you just get some 1960s cameras in the studio That's all you need. There's really nothing The more hasn't anyone done it. You can do it You can go right now Someone should do it There's movies about it. What are you talking about buddy? Are you serious? You're sitting here telling me right now that you can't fake a moon landing with a 1960s camera and some wires That's all you need. There's literally all you need. There's nothing else that you need. There's nothing whatsoever else that you need nothing Did you see the lunar module how fake that thing is it's put together with construction paper? um, I think it's also we stand all of the Radiation and the differences in temperatures the the 400 500 degree Tempered temperature differential between night time and daytime that flimsy piece of garbage They're supposed to withstand but there's holes in it. You can see through it. Are you joking me? Listen, I'm a Listen, I'm a listen. I'm a welder buddy. You're not gonna. You're not gonna sit here and tell me You are absolutely not going to sit here and tell me that that piece of garbage Piece of garbage that went to the moon is gonna is gonna withstand any of the forces whatsoever that Require you to go to the moon. It's ridiculous You're appealing to incredulity right now by saying I don't think I'm talking from experience as a welder No, you're saying I can't see how that can be Can withstand all that all that stuff. Uh, so therefore I can't have a stand experience I'm talking from experience number one. Okay number one. I'm talking so you've experienced How about this find me a single weld on that thing? You won't even find it It's not even one. I could it's put together by screws and bolts. It's ridiculous It's a joke. I mean, I don't know all the blueprints and I'm not a welder. So maybe Maybe you're right on that but I I mean that's uh out of my That's out of my What I'm saying is the original claim was with you You literally appeal to incredulity by saying that you don't believe that the moon landings can be faked because Yeah, well, you don't believe that it could be faked. That's literally the patent in appeal to incredulity. It's a patent. So How about I give you some um, how about I give you some reason why I don't think that they can be faked? So the reason why I don't think that they can be faked is because you have shadows from the Shadows from the people on the moon and they are parallel to each other Are you sure about that and uh, they wouldn't I mean, I haven't done any research whatsoever into this topic at all Yes, that's why I know that this shadows are parallel to each other, but they're not though That's like one of the claims against the moon landings that they intersect Do you not know that show me show me them then? I gotta show you when you don't know that. How do you not know that? That's like one of listen listen listen listen. Hold on a second. Hold on a second That's literally one of the oldest claims of of of the moon skeptics Positions, that's that's that's like that's like day one shit. How do you not know that? So I I have I have seen that and generally it seems to be because of this thing called perspective Whereas if you look at the shadow side on that, they were They all seem to be parallel But they're not though you could take two lines and put them in photoshop and it's been done man This is a joke And you know what honestly, honestly, we're kind of you know with the moon landing I just wanted like I said before I wanted to touch on it later because I just wanted to expose your patent logical fallacy in your Debate with flat earth or z g just where I literally had to pause the video and stop watching because I just thought it was ridiculous The things that you were saying but where you know, this topic is really about flat earth and the you know This shape of the earth I mean the moon landings, you know also has to do with that because obviously if You know the moon lanes is fake then that means also that the blue marble image is completely fake Which you know supposed to prove that the earth is round But uh, you know, I just wanted to touch on that briefly You know, I don't I don't want to I don't want to make too much time on this topic so That's all I just wanted to say you and but you also appeal to incredulity about the um The hemowari Sateway and you said that you don't believe that the hemowari can be faked because you don't believe that they can be faked because you don't believe that You can you that is no computer or something on earth that can take uh data from thousands of weather Stations around the world to create a map of the weather around the world So that's also that's another appeal to incredulity incredulity. That's to what I'm gonna be made within the first 20 minutes. I mean I mean Do you know how much effort that would take to be able to compile all that with the data to be able to Not a lot at all. It's just it's not a lot at all What's the data is in text form? What is it? It's just it's just numbers. It's just It's nothing it takes up almost no space whatsoever. Are you joking me right now? Is this real? Oh, you're actually I It would take it would take a hell of a lot of data to be able to because you see it's literally just zeros and ones That's all it is Yeah, but a match like there's all these things to do with computing power. So it matches what we see So nasa doesn't have to computing out nasa doesn't have to computing power to be able to get weather data from around the world They don't have that but they make 50 to 60 million dollars a day They don't have to computing power to do that Firstly, you need weather stations all over the globe to be able to Which is what we have that's exactly what we have Okay, so we have weather stations all over the globe right good So So we need this is a joke. I mean, this is this real. I mean, I don't know. Is this is this real? This is like a joke. This is like so what would need weather stations every I would have to work out. Okay. How far apart do all these weather stations need to be and then we can work out Okay, is there a weather station near this particular area and we could check and be like Like we could actually possibly check and be like, okay, there's no weather station near this area Check the skies. Is it matching the Himawari satellite? If it is Then there's Listen, all you need to do to fake the Himawari Is have a super computer analysis, which I'm sure I mean, do you know the Computers that the NSA has they have literally the world's most powerful computer on earth. You know that, right? So the u.s. Government definitely definitely Has the computing power to be able to process this information if you to say otherwise This is absolutely fucking ridiculous. And if you're gonna say that I'm just there's no point to even debate you because you just There's no point to debate you Because you just you're literally saying that you don't believe that the USA the world's most powerful economy on earth Well, one of the world's maybe not now anymore because all this hysteria going on But just arguments say, you know, one of the world's leading forces in the world doesn't have the computing power To be able to process, you know, maybe a few thousand weather stations around the world Okay, meanwhile, meanwhile, meanwhile, meanwhile one less one 30 seconds Meanwhile, they have the computing power at at nsa to be able to take every single text message every single photo ever taken every single every single search inquiry into into gul into Bing into every single Every single thing that is done online the nsa has the power to process that information But nsa doesn't have the process the power to process a couple thousand weather stations around the world so you'd need um You the problem is not so much with uh getting with compiling the data the problem Although some people would argue that there would be a problem with compiling the data depending on how fast you want to argue these processes are Uh, but the problem is pretty fast Yeah, well, I It's a you just can't stop appealing to incredulity. It's amazing. No, I didn't I didn't I didn't appeal to incredulity. I was like you're appealing to the incredulity of the power of the processing power of these computers No, I said that some people might argue that I'm not saying that that's my argument That's what that's what no, that's what you said, but for those ages That's why I'm bringing it up You said that you don't believe that there are computers that can process The information that is being guided from the weather stations around the world That is literally what you see one bit of time stamp around you won't play it on stream Okay, but um one of the things that I would say I will play it on stream right now You want to play it on stream? Well, what time let's give me that chance I mean like that's not part of the argument right now. I want I want to um I want to talk about the argument that I'll about gathering the data in the first place like you'd need weather stations, what let's say let's say every 20 kilometers and So you you'd need weather stations Every 20 kilometers and need to be arranged in a in some kind of grid or something something like that you were talking about something that Millions possibly oh wow millions of dollars that way past the US doesn't have millions of dollars yet They can make no they can give out 1200 dollars to every citizen in the united states But they don't want to have a couple million dollars to make up to make a computer You need millions millions for like Just a couple of just for a couple of just a couple of weather stations wouldn't Let alone weather stations every 20 kilometers and this is Well, you'd probably by the time it's by the time you're ending you're probably reaching up into the high billions plus Trillions billions and billions you sound like Carl Sagan is this just amazing like you just it's just all I'm hearing right now It's just a built-in ability. That's literally what you're doing You're saying that you don't believe it because it takes billions and billions. Well, do you know You're just appealing to incredulity, aren't you? Well, how would they be constructed? These things listen the conversation Like you you sound like Do you have any positive time we do have to what I do want to give a chance? Do you have any positive evidence that they are cgi? Do you Wait on do you have any positive evidence that they're cgi? That's what's cgi? The the Himawari images are cgi because I hear a lot of oh, they could be cgi But I never hear anyone actually go ahead and go okay. These are the this is the reason why it's cgi this this this You do understand that this that the Himawari is being projected with with it's it's actual computer representation It's not the actual earth What do you mean? I It's not real. What you're seeing is not real. It's amazing Citation needed Citation needed just look at it. I mean, it's just so ridiculous. How you just could you could just believe it It's citation needed to like what's like is your evidence just look at it like I can I can show you things that don't look real yet. They um, it couldn't just I know I got into a debate about that with some kind of photographic computer cgi expert about that also And I I actually ace that test that he gave me he gave me a test Showing, uh, you know, like, oh, what could you tell is real and what could you tell is fake? I got like an 85 percent way Like I got like an 85 percent on that test and meanwhile the guy the guy who is the computer graphic Cgi expert he got like a 50 percent. So obviously i'm pretty good at spying our fakes, ain't I? Yeah, but the problem is is that um Just because you can spot a few fakes doesn't mean that uh, I understand what's wrong, didn't you? I don't know. I understand 100 percent. I understand that yeah I Well, what I'm saying is what I listen what I'm saying is it's you know, we'd obviously you know I mean you look at a just a a ps4 game, you know, the ps4 is how old you know You know say you look at a ps4 game, okay? It looks thousands of times more real than what the himawari looks like right the himway It's just you know, it's just so easy to fake that it's not that difficult You're gonna tell me that's not difficult to fake with with today's computing power Do you understand how realistic cgi looks nowadays? Do you have any any clue how realistic With the uh, what's it called? What's that deep fake? Okay, so do you know that right so so just because something like what do you have to compare it to like you do you have a Have you actually been to space to see how fake it would look if you were out in space? And also do you think that nasa has all this computing power? They can't somehow make it look real. Have you been to space to know that the earth is real that the earth around is real No, I haven't been to space. Okay, so then I just thought I'll be right back here. There you go No, but you're you're claiming that it's fake that it's cgi. You're claiming that it's real Well, do you have any positive evidence that it is the cgi like I think do you have any positive evidence that it's real I have positive evidence that it's real due to it matching the cloud formations You know the cloud formations on it Like I said, it's very easy to fake to fake that you could just literally just have a computer cgi project That onto a sphere and just gather weather data from around the world from a couple thousand weather stations placed around the world And just map it out on a ball. That's not that difficult You still got no positive evidence that it's cgi just because you can explain all I'm saying is listen All I'm saying is it's not difficult to fake that Yeah, but you still got no just because something can be fake doesn't mean that it is I understand that Do you have any positive evidence that it is cgi? I mean you do realize that it would be a quite a big undertaking to be able to create this I'm not saying that it's well My subjective personal belief would say that it's fake because obviously I don't believe that You know any man-made object is flying around, you know pest, you know in the 200 mile range above the earth I just think that's just total nonsense But that's my subjective opinion What I would say objectively is that you know in an objective sense is that If it if you can fake something right, you know It's kind of funny how I used to watch these shows when I was on when I was a kid, you know watching these shows on You know like sci-fi that people would say they oh they seen ghosts or whatever And they would all look it's fake because you know they put a you know a little Paper towel in front of the camera, you know, that doesn't mean that it's fake. I understand that But what I'm saying is that it's not really terribly difficult You're making it seem like it is extremely it is Preposterously preposterously difficult outside of the range of the of the technology that we have today on earth to be able to fake a hemowari Projection on a sphere that is absolutely ridiculous. That's what I'm saying Well, you still have you still have no positive evidence that it is fake, but I'm not saying that it is I'm not saying that it's absolutely 100 fake there Listen, you're not going to catch me making a claim about the 100% positivity about anything on any debate that you're ever going to find me on You could you could google my name on on youtube You will never find me making a claim that I'm saying 100 for 100% certainty that anything is anything Besides the fact that I know that I am me and I have been in control of my consciousness and my my my movements and I am I am myself That is the closest thing that I that I know to be 100% certain everything else is you know 95 98 94 92 89 85 You know, whatever after that I don't I'm not saying that that the hemowari is 100 fake just because you can't fake it That would be a logical fallacy on the standard So basically your argument is Um, I'm not saying that it is fake. It could be faked But I'm not going to say I'm not gonna let you say that it's real because there are reasons that it could be faked No, because the reasons that you can't prove with any scientific experiment What's the weather that water is adhering to the x-year of a shape by virtual gravity alone that you can't prove At any scientific experiment, what's the weather that that the atmosphere is existing in a perfect vacuum of near perfect vacuum of space And you can't prove that space can be bent nor can time can be bent So if those three can't be proven then everything that about the iss and the hemowari satellite every single satellite every Inexistent in the history of the world is completely fake Okay, well, let's skip to the um Let's what one do you want to go with first water or air in the vacuum? Which one of those do you want to go with first get water? Okay, water on the ball. Cool. So do you know how water works? See song level. That's what I know about Okay, do you do you think that there might possibly be a better explanation for what shape water will take? Prove to me that it can form a sphere Okay, so water will adhere to the forces acting upon it. Do you agree or disagree with that? Adhere to the forces acting upon it. Okay, show me that one experiment Uh, I'm blowing water that will create a force of air pushing against it, which will create waves Okay, that's air pressure, which is different from gravity Yeah, but that's but that's water adhering to the forces that are acting upon it. No, no, but but you know, this is totally different There is no adhering when you're blowing on water. There's nothing adhering to anything You're just blowing on water and it's moving it's adhering to the force acting upon it though There is a force that um by blowing on it. You are creating a force that is acting upon the water and that water Yes, okay. You're using the you're playing semantics. You're using the word adhering in one context and then using it to prove the other context What I'm using the word adhering to is two materials which are different which Adhere that's the definition of adherence is two objects like glue to wood right glue is different than wood So glue adheres to wood, but you know cohesion is two Materials that are similar so two water molecules will cohere right okay, so or I can water You have water adhering To the earth water is different than dirt and rock and stone right it's different I can use conforming like water conforms to the forces acting upon it if you want Well, it is it is adhering to it because the earth is accelerating through the universe. You understand that What? The earth is accelerating Not only in elliptically around the sun But it is accelerating around the galaxy and it is accelerating through the universe You understand that oh, you're you're talking about and it's not really accelerating. It's going at a constant Excuse me. It's not accelerating really. So the earth is not accelerating around the sun I mean it's accelerating on some you could say that it's accelerating on some vectors, but not right It's accelerating I I suppose you could try and define it like there. It's also accelerating around the galaxy And it's also accelerating and the galaxy itself is accelerating. I love when globes say oh You don't you don't feel you don't feel a motion. You only feel acceleration. Well every single literal Motion of the earth is accelerating everything is accelerating Absolutely, even the earth spinning is accelerating very slowly, but it's accelerating That's why they said back when the dinosaurs were around like you know hundreds of millions of years ago They said that the that the earth's Day was much longer than it is now that means that the earth was spinning much slower, right? so the Well, the levels of acceleration are negligible if you want to use uh excel acceleration then the levels of acceleration are negligible I've worked I've worked this out for the I've calculated it for but it doesn't matter. It is accelerating It is accelerating But that would be that but that would be negligible negligible millions of miles an hour. Wow, that's negligible So the galaxy flying through the universe that's one half million miles an hour is negligible do you know the difference between rotational velocity and I think it's linear velocity linear velocity is just traveling in one direction rotational is it spinning Yeah, so when it comes to um when it comes to rotational you don't use Miles per hour you use um rpm Where we said that again? When you use when you're talking about Rotational velocity you don't use miles per hour you use rpm Okay, but you can't translate it into miles per hour You I mean, yeah, you can translate it into miles per hour But if you're using miles per hour when it comes to rotational velocity, it doesn't mean anything Well, it doesn't mean anything in rpm when you when you talk about the planet I mean Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. You see the files that they do. Okay, so you're saying that Rotational velocity is calculated with rpm, which I agree, but when you're talking about the earth, which is not revolving in a minute Right Is wrong far longer than that. Okay. We know that. Okay, so You don't you wouldn't why would you use rpm to calculate that? Well, you can um You can calculate a base zero point something But that's just that's just stupid, isn't it? Well, you could use rpd rotation rotations per day per day Okay Yeah, and it does one rotation per day Okay, but then when you take when you excuse me when you take the circumference of the earth, that's very fast Um Not really like really thousands of miles an hour is not fast. I think that's pretty fast I mean it seems fast because you're using miles per hour, but when you're using rotational speed That's actually very slow. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. When you're talking about the earth's circumference, you use miles, right? Or columbas or the same thing. That's just, you know, whether but we use miles here Okay, so you use miles per hour when you use miles per hour because the earth is measured in miles I mean you could use it, but you're not going it's not going to translate into whatever acceleration you want to Well, it's not going to translate into whatever acceleration you want when you're fusing rpm If the earth doesn't revolve in one minute, is it? Um, you can actually use uh that you've just got to take into consideration a couple of things. I did some calculations Okay, so I take into consideration some other things with the with the miles per hour. What's the difference? So, um, you got to Here's the things that you got to take into consideration. Um, like what I'm guessing you're trying to calculate how fast things what the Cent centrifugal force, uh, I think it's centrifugal Yeah, centrifugal force should be on an object When it's when it's spinning at that speed, right with a With the circumference of the earth, right? I didn't get that. I'm sorry I'm guessing you're trying to calculate the centrifugal force that should be acting on an object. That's on the I've made I've never even said the worst centrifugal in this entire debate. Listen, what I said first what's being implied What otherwise it's uh, other like if we're not this Is this conversation completely meaningless because it sounds like that's what you're getting at, right? And the centrifugal force is uh, the force that we would be accounting for if we're talking about a thousand miles per hour Which I've calculated should be I think it's something like three centimeters Uh per second squared Uh, which isn't very much Is that Calculation you used number one number two you still haven't proven with the scientific Oh, see again, you use just your mathematics. You haven't proven with a scientific experiment Which is what I demand which is my part of my three propositions which I demand I demand experiments I don't care about your mathematics because like I've proven to you before your mathematics doesn't work when you talk about gravity And when you're talking about stars at the edge of the galaxy, right? It doesn't work So what do you have to do? You have to literally invent doc matter You have to partially you have to say doc matter was invented before any observations of doc matter we've even made In the sand that none know what none of this your gravitational lensing what they say is proof of doc matter None of that even existed but none of that existed before they found out that the stars at the edge of the galaxy Were moving faster than what they know they purported to be using mathematics. So mathematics doesn't work all the time Astroph so neither you or I are astrophysicists. So I don't Be having a debate on These are just plain facts. These are just plain facts They observe the stars moving at the edge of the galaxy faster than what the mathematics purported It's be to what it should be moving. So what do they do to say? Hey might as well Say that there's some kind of matter out there that's does making this causing this attraction because gravity has to be real In that paradigm. They have a paradigm. They have a belief system They have a religious belief that gravity that mass is just creating this force on its own. So By Listen how ridiculous this is how grab This is a relevant this is irrelevant to the debate I appreciate your passion, but but just to give a chance to be sure planner what gets this thought out Yeah, so Dark matter is irrelevant to the debate when we're talking about a debate when it comes to the whether the earth is flat Or whether it's a globe because dark matter to talk about dark matter. You've got to You got to kind of accept that To talk about well, I suppose you could maybe not accept it, but to talk about dark matter There's a lot of things that you're skipping there. Like you've got to go. Okay. Well there You know could be a globe or something because otherwise you're skipping Gravity completely and onto dark matter. No, what I'm listen what I'm showing with dark matter is that gravity has shown to not work I'm on a light scale. It doesn't work It happens, but that's on a But that's on a galactic scale. You do realize that just because It doesn't work every scale But did listen do you understand that when Newtonian made his gravity his gravity doesn't work on a solar system scale And then they had they had to say Einstein Einstein gravity works on the on the solar system scale But now all of a sudden now the Einstein gravity doesn't work on a galactic scale So now what are they gonna do? They go, oh, this new scientist, you know, the the whatever the fuck his name is gonna be Okay, he's gonna come out of here. Oh, this works on the galactic scale And then the next guy's gonna come out. Oh, that doesn't work on the universal scale You understand they just have a problem with gravity gravity doesn't work. I'm sorry. It doesn't work You can't just keep inventing bullshit. Just to accommodate your beliefs. It doesn't work I mean, but you kind of got to accept that the you kind of get got to accept that There was a problem with the solar system and then they figured out. Okay. This is uh, the problem with the solar system and when you That's kind of accepting that there's a solar system and Like the solar system doesn't like if you want to get back to flat earth, the solar system doesn't work with um flat earth and so Yeah, you kind of Well, I mean you just haven't proven a single thing that you haven't shown me a single Do you have a single scientific experiment proving anything that that water can adhere to your shape by virtue of gravity alone? Okay, let's get back to water rather than going off to dark matter like beautiful. Okay. The dark matter is a real hearing So, okay, so Yeah, like as I said before water will adhere or water will conform to the forces acting upon it. Do you agree or disagree? Like this is some Like this is something that can easily be shown and take any water and apply any force to it and uh, it will conform to that force You're using conform a little, you know Semantically there, but uh, it will act, you know in accordance with the forces acting on it. Okay Okay. Yeah, that's a good way to put it right So now we've got to just say well, can we show that gravity is real? And there are many things that we can do to show that gravity is real. You've heard of the cavendish i'm assuming Cavendish has nothing to do with water around the earth Yeah, but it shows that gravity is a force with mathematics it's like Can you just prove cavendish? Uh, can you prove cavendish? Yes, okay. Well, I can show you I can show you an article right now showing the cavendish is bullshit that every single time that they Take a uh, every time they do the cavendish experiment in a scientific lab with the world's most advanced technology on the face of the earth Every time they do this cavendish experiment They wind up getting a value which is sometimes 10 and sometimes even 100 times different than the value that they got before Would you like to see that? Okay link it Okay, sure I want to say this Helping big g get back on track And as a side note folks, uh, how do I link in the video? How do I link inside the uh, I'll check I think there's a chance. I got it. I got it. Zoom zoom chat I got it. Okay. So what it says here is um Big g is difficult to measure the graduate because gravity is far the weakest for the for the fundamental forces And because it is impossible to shield experiments for the gravitational influences of their environment Today, the official value is g equals 6.673 times 10 to the negative 11 And you just meet is cubed. Um Okay Okay, hold on. I got I got because I haven't seen this article in a while so I have to know exactly Traditional cavendish tourism balance experiment test masses are suspended on wire that in responses to a gravitational torque created By source masses placed nearby the rotation as opposed to the Toros and off the wire by measuring the amount of twist in the wire the what which is Proportional to the gravitational attraction between the masses the value of g can then be determined last year gins guns learned and seven America of wits of the University of washington, seattle used a highly modified version of cavendish tourism balance in which the both the source and the test masses Rotated and on turn tables key feature was to set up that the tourism fiber did not twist which in according to Gundlitz enabled them to avoid the most Avoid most of the systematic uncertainties last year gun legend America wits reported a value of six points With an uncertainty of um Just 14 ppm All right It says right it more over they claim to have discovered the reasons for the error measurement that led to the factor of 10 increase To the uncertainty surrounding the constant. So if it's a constant, they should never be a difference in when they measure it Wait, um, that's the problem with gravity is gravity is a constant It's a constant force so that so the issue every time they measure it. It should be the exact What does it say this right in the top right under the picture in the second paragraph on the picture the lessons Last last sentence, um The latest second the second paragraph under the first picture The lessons Okay, more of the claim to have discovered the reasons for the error measurement that led to the uh factor of 10 increase Yeah, so, uh, that's a problem with the measurements Right, which means that gravity is out of constant No, it just means that there's an issue with the measurement Well, why is it why is there an issue? And listen, if I use it, listen, hold on a second. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Do you see the do you see in this image how Proportionally expensive these disequipment is right here. Do you have any idea? It looks like it would be very expensive. I can I can absolutely guarantee you from my experience I for my experience. I absolutely guarantee each one of these pieces right here. I'm pretty sure it looks like brass And maybe you're not it's actually bronze. It looks like bronze each one of those cylinders of bronze right there I can guarantee you probably in the 15 to 20 thousand dollar range easy Yeah, but that's not your your article does not disprove gravity and just Showing that it's not a constant No, it's not showing that it's not a constant The title of the article is helping big g get back on track. That means they have a problem Well, this time they measured a problem with previous No, it's problem was with previous measurements that may have had other So now could you could you possibly imagine that this guy in the 1700s when they were still on horseback and carriage That this guy was able to measure the weight of the earth in a barn Could you what was in the bond is that with the bond is not an airtight seal? Is it right? So obviously there's going to be drafts going on inside of that bond, right? So the draft the drafts going on outside of that bond are going to affect the apparatus from spinning Right, you understand that there's videos on youtube that the people they get so frustrated When they try to perform the Cavendish experiment that they wind up giving up because they say it's the most It's the most impossibly accurate Experiment that they could possibly have a device because god forbid if they even move their hand In front of the in front of the experiment that the draft from their hand is going to affect the apparatus is going to make it spin Okay, they have a radiator if they have a radiator on in the room the hot air Okay, let me just explain something to you Growing up as a kid. Do you used to measure your height? right So there's a couple of ways you can measure your height So one way that you could do is just take a tape measure from your toe to your head and this would be useful say if You couldn't stand up against a wall and then place like a book on your head to Put a put a mark and then measure the height up to that mark so Like the the measurement that you'd get from placing Like placing a tape measure and sort of measuring up to your head that would be That would be roughly accurate, but there's a few issues with that like you might have a few centimeters of difference, right? Now if you were to measure the measure the height from the ground to the Ground to the mark on the wall you'd get a much better result But you might get a few millimeters off because maybe the tape Maybe there's an issue with tape measure like I know a lot of tape measures have this issue of Ah a little plan out plan walk one second nobody nobody one second one second. So sorry to cut you off Oton just to give everybody a Because a summary I think some of the people in the audience they're As well as me to be honest It's hard for us to follow the article that's being discussed just because I think uh We're a little bit behind in the sense that we haven't seen it So are you able to give like a summary just to kind of bring everybody together on the same kind of focal point again? Um The focal point of this article is that they're trying to get an accurate Measurement for big g and every time that they measure big g they get a different result sometimes in the factor of 10 Sometimes in the factor of even more. Okay, so I mean if you could imagine that this guy in a barn Was able to weigh the earth in a barn A barn in the 1700s Okay, it's just it's just stupidest thing It's the stupidest thing you could ever imagine a freaking barn They they they didn't even they didn't even know what electromagnetism was back then you understand that right? They had no idea. How do you rule out electromagnetism in that experiment? um, I mean You have no idea the thing is that the science was in such an infancy back then They had no idea what variables to rule out in the experiments to be able to know what was acting on these things They had no idea about anything Hmm I don't understand it's ridiculous They even have like advantage what they have like the freaking wood pipes like back then for but for shitting down a freaking outhouse You know, it's just crazy to think that that this guy could weigh the earth in a barn In the 1700s a barn guys So, you know, let's so the basically the article reports that my my summary of the article reports is that they Seed up a more precise measuring Um apparatus to be able to measure it more precisely Which gets rid of this uncertainty because whenever you measure something you do have a level of uncertainty This uncertainty might be to a factor of 10 because there's all these there are confounding variables It's very very difficult to make something that's absolutely perfect for measuring Measuring something whether it be high you can't possibly measure it. You can't I mean, you can measure it though. They have You can't why can't you measure it? There's the the variables that you have to rule out are just ridiculous You can't measure I'm sorry. That's why you control for these variables. You can't though Yes, you can. No, sorry Why It says it in the article itself that it's almost impossible to rule out all the variables for the for uh for coming with the value It says it right there in the article I'm not even just you know, not even just incredulity or anything It says it in the article that it's almost impossible to rule out all the variables Well, you can minimize variables. You do realize that you can minimize Variables, right? Okay. How about this? Let's get back on topic. How about you take this force of gravity, which is bending two concepts Which you can't bend concepts. I would love to know how you bend concepts That's been the matter is bending concepts. The only thing in the universe that can bend the concept You can bend dreams. You can bend freedom. You can bend liberty. You can bend You know hatred you could bend concepts. That's really fascinating to me. You can do that I would love to know how mad it can do that. Um, but even if you grant that, okay Can you show me how that fake force Can make water adhere to the exterior of shape by virtue of this fake force alone? Do you have an experiment to prove that? so when it comes to Yeah, so when it comes to allowing it to adhere to water, it's a force Or you can listen. Do you have an experiment to prove that yes or no? I mean, if you can if you can treat it as a force Like do you disagree that cavendish does show that it's a force or do you have an experiment to prove that water Can adhere to the exterior of a shape by virtue of gravity alone? So Like do you just hold up? Do you disagree with cavendish? Like are we accepting cavendish or are we just just disagreeing with it? total fake science So you're disagreeing with cavendish? Yeah, I don't think you can get an accurate result in a bond setting the 1700s. I'm sorry Well, we've gotten accurate results since then Okay, okay prove. Okay prove that those accurate results can make water adhere to the exterior of a shape by virtual gravity alone So because we can treat gravity as a force and water or conform to the forces acting upon it Then water can adhere to a planet-sized object by virtue of gravity. Hold on. Hold on. Now. Now you're partially now You're going to the little incident fair land Now you went from from the real world and then you just jumped magically right into the fair land without no experiments That in between pot that in between I want an experiment to prove that Do you have an experiment to prove that? Well, I've given you a couple of experiments when you add them up the Oh, so we're at the consequence of them Oh, okay So you take experiments would have nothing which I'm not going to do with each other And then you add them up and then you come up with a fairer land magical force that makes water Conform around the exterior of a shape by virtue of gravity alone Which has never been experienced in the entire earth in the history of the earth has never been shown Water can never do that But what you believe is because you need multiple Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. What you believe has never been observed in the history of humanity Let me let me let me ask you something Hold up. Let me ask you something. Do you think that we only need one experiment for everything that? I mean just just you don't have the things you don't have any just show me one Just show me anything just something I've given you two experiments that when you take them follow them to their logical conclusion It would show that yes water can stick to No, I want to see the sphere with the water around it. I want you to show me that Okay, how do you propose that I show you that? Well, according to Red's reticule, we need to plant the size of the earth, wouldn't you? Isn't that begging the question now? I mean, if we're to take you to Mars and then show you Oh, yeah, well, let's go to Mars together Yeah, let's go with the fake That's never gonna happen. I will put my life on it that nobody is ever gonna go to Mars that fake NASA Funding bullshit that they were gonna send people to Mars. That's never gonna happen. Okay. It's not gonna happen Because it's bullshit. So the issue is is that you're trying to You're not accepting things right because Because I don't because you want to like one you like one experiment that shows two things that would be extremely Extremely difficult and expensive to do that's too bad, isn't it? Because we have thousands and thousands and thousands of experiments would show, you know Air not being able to exist in a vacuum and thousands of Water cannot exist on the exterior of a ship. We could show experiments prove it But you can take multiple experiments which show which when followed to their natural conclusion will show this Okay, okay, which follow to their natural conclusion, which means you're just assuming shit out of your ass Exactly what it means See what I have no what I have. Excuse me what I have what I have I can show you I could literally take a ball right now and put water on it. All right, you're not gonna see Water here to the exterior of a shape, right? Excuse me. I drink a little bit My virtual gravity alone, right? You're not gonna see that Okay, so I could show you a 10,100 a million experiments proving the opposite, but you can't show me one I mean when you it's so I've shown you like you've got to take multiple experiments into account when you can't Here's something I'm sorry, I'm not like when you've got to follow things to their natural conclusion If you if you have things that don't follow to their natural conclusion Then you've got an issue like if you can't follow things from what you're saying is your pain I do want to give him a chance to finish her again. This is uh, you're still talking Yeah, so yeah, you've got you've got cavendish which shows that mass will attract mass And when you've got a mass the size of the earth that would definitely attract water And then you've got Water conforming to forces and because water conforms to forces Then any force like gravity will have an effect on water and following that to its natural conclusion if the earth were a ball then Water would conform to the outside of it. Okay. Let me show you how fallacious that is So you're saying that gravity is a force and the force is uh, the force, you know The the object that's acting on the force of the forces acting on the object is going to conform to the force, correct? Yes, okay, so that's with gravity and water, correct Yes, okay But we've shown that the stars at the edge of the galaxy do not conform to the forces of gravity of the black hole in the center of the galaxy So that's the problem that I have Now you're full of shit again, you see because now now you're playing now you're backtracking and you're saying Oh, but that doesn't matter in that case. No, it does matter It does matter. Okay, because that's exactly what you're fucking saying You understand me. You're telling me that gravity is going to make water here today It's here by virtue of gravity alone But then when this these scientists come up with gravity and the gravitational mathematical formulas of the supermassive black hole in the center of the galaxy And they say that these stars at the edge of the galaxy should be moving at a certain speed But oops when they observe stars moving at those speeds, they're not moving at those speeds They're moving 10 times faster arm they were they wrong So you don't know until you observe it, do you? So the So you're just skipping over the fact that uh, we can measure gravity as a force. It doesn't I don't know what i'm showing you what i'm showing you is Waterton, let's just give him a chance. I promise i'll come right back No, he's representing what i'm saying. He's representing what i'm saying Here's the thing. It doesn't matter that gravity, um, like maybe it's wrong in some areas That doesn't that isn't what matters. What matters is that it is a force that will act upon objects So we'll act upon water We had to give him let him let's let him finish all time But you can't just ignore that it will You can't just ignore that it's you can treat it as a force that will act upon objects Like you're completely ignoring that and going well. It's wrong in this area. So it must be wrong in all areas You're saying that it could be wrong in one area But in the end when we're talking about the water on the earth Oh, no, it's right in that scenario But then when it's when it's wrong on the galactic scale of the stars at the end at the edge of the universe It could be wrong there, but no, it can't be wrong on the earth. Why not? Have you have you observed it with showing it to be Something that can act as a force Okay, well they shown that gravity can act as a force on the stars at the edge of the galaxy But they're wrong about that. Whoops to bed now. They gotta invent dog All the exact the exact way The exact calculations don't work out there. It's not that On the bail on the earth scale. They don't work. Sorry What's the difference? It could it could be well, it could be very well there, but it could be it could be okay So that's where I draw the line. That's where I draw the line. Hold up. Hold up. Let me finish That's where I draw the line. We have to let him finish. Let me finish We can show it does work on objects, right? Um, and we can go. Okay. The force of gravity between this object and this object is About this about this much and we can scale it up a little bit and go. Okay. So it does mean that Like what you're arguing is you're arguing that the force would be Wait, are you arguing that the force should of gravity on the stars at way out? There should be like weaker or stronger Or uh, is weaker or stronger should conform to the mathematical equation that they spend hundreds of years perfecting Well, oops, they found out to be wrong Oops, sorry. Now we've got to invent doc matter because it doesn't work So the I mean when it comes to that kind of thing There's a heaps of reasons why it could be wrong. Oops. Sorry. It's wrong. Oops. We just Just because it's slightly wrong doesn't mean that James I'm sick of tired. You just let him talk. Can I just You just interrupt one second What was that? I think he's sick and tired of you I know that Wotan it's like at some point He's just going to repeat the same bullshit he's been saying the whole time We have to let him talk though. It's a debate Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah We've got to give him a chance He's just got his steamrolled. It's funny Well, I mean Wotan to be fair I mean you're a passionate person and sometimes I think you've steamrolled other people They deserve to be steamrolled Wotan that's not fair We've got to give everybody a shot They might think you deserve to be steamrolled So we've got to give everybody a shot All right, so we're going to give the planner a lot of chance I promise we'll come back to you Wotan All right, so the The point that I was going to make Is that when it comes to Cavendish, right we can Scale that up to the Scale that up to the size of the earth Right and it works Well enough there and we can So we can take that and you know we can have This era of let's say Let's say You know one Newton or something like that And Then we can have like okay What's that? Oh yeah water still sticks to the Water still sticks to the earth You can't you can't skip over that What do you mean you can't skip over it There is a force That is acting on objects Which will mean that mass will Attract mass, you can't just skip over that That's what you believe, I congratulate you For your religious beliefs but I just don't believe you And it's being measured Like you linked an article that measured it You know what else has been measured It's been measured that the black hole at the center of the galaxy Should be making stalls and we've got a certain speed But it doesn't work, oops It doesn't work, sorry Oops That doesn't disprove Mass will attract mass Just saying oops It doesn't make it okay to interrupt You've got to give him a chance But it doesn't work James, I'm sorry It's not It's funny how the globe read to say the flat earth model doesn't work But oops sorry the heliocentric model doesn't Work because the stalls at the galaxy don't work Do you think that just because Just because gravity Doesn't quite work out Via means that mass doesn't attract mass Excuse me, quiet, don't play cementis with me buddy Don't play that bullshit with me Quiet work Let's hear the question Can you say that one more time I'm not trying to be antagonistic I just didn't hear the actual question So do you think that Just because the Mathematics for gravity Don't work out on The edge of the galaxy Do you think that means that mass doesn't attract mass You played a little cement again Quiet work The difference is quite drastic It's literally over 10 times Wrong It's like saying 1 plus 1 is 10 That's exactly what it says Do you think that just proves that Mass attracts mass Can you prove that I can use cementis to show that mass attracts mass Can you show that the water can do that with those forces Well water Will conform to forces No but now you're just Skipping the observable Empirical evidence And you're just postulating You're not understanding my position Listen Let me summarize For the final time The moment that you say That you have an experiment for X Which is the force of matter I'm not going to grant you that Even though I don't believe it You're saying that that happens But then you jump to the conclusion And you say that water Is able to adhere to the earth With those forces Without any observable evidence Without any experiments That can happen in the first place That's where I draw the conclusion You know why? Because they did that same exact thing With the supermassive black hole in the center of the galaxy And they were able to mathematically show With the gravitational forces and how much gravity With the diameter of the supermassive black hole How much weight it is How much gravitational force it should be exerting They were able to calculate how fast the stars in the galaxy Should be moving and what happened They're wrong You could be wrong also About water That's exactly my point So Water will conform to Forces acting upon it Stars will act to the forces Conforming upon it You're not understanding my point We let him finish I know what might seem as if But he's just repeating himself It might be that he's going to add something to it But he's not There could be a variety of reasons It might be that he's just trying to Kind of give the big picture of you To kind of give the audience context The big picture he's been saying this meme The whole time We've got to give him a chance What do you What reason Right Let's grant that Let's ignore the whole thing with the With the galaxy because that's not really Relevant Let's just ignore where they're wrong Let's just ignore them Because there is a force that is Excuse me There is a force that is acting upon the Bowls There is a force that is acting upon the Bowls which You can't just ignore that force And if this force is acting upon the Bowls Which is due to mass Then why does this force not act upon Water You do understand that that calculation Is one of the biggest miscalculations In the history of science But that doesn't apply to you I'm not going to allow you to just ignore that I'm not going to allow you That's like saying It's just ridiculous That I'm claiming something to be true And the one problem that I have To what I'm claiming to be true You're just going to say I'm just going to ignore that Let me give an analogy Have you ever measured The circumference of a wheel Of a wheel Yeah So Let's say that you got the circumference Of a wheel and you input that into The wheel size and you take a drive somewhere And just say When you take a drive the Values are way off Right? Do you think that that's because Do you think that that's because This wheel doesn't have a circumference Or you can't use the circumference Of the wheel or something Did you not measure The analogy is not correct But it is correct You may have been You may have been off by A millimeter We're off by about a millimeter In measuring the circumference of the wheel But when you take a trip Your measurement is off by kilometers Does that mean that you can't use that measurement Of the wheel? The measurement of the wheel is good enough For the scale of the wheel It's not good enough But it doesn't mean That you can't It doesn't mean that the wheel has no circumference You can't say that it's correct Can you? It's wrong Just say you take a drive around town And you get a value that is pretty accurate Just say the value From one side of town to the other is two kilometers And you get that reading But when you take a Right across the states You get a value that's not quite Matching the value that's going Across the states Or maybe the way that you've measured it Is you've measured how far is it From New York to LA And you've got to take Detours and stuff Which would inflate the readings Giving you a different measurement Than the value That you get from New York to LA Does that mean that the measurement of your tire Is incorrect? Or does it mean that there's Something else that you've got to take into consideration Which might be But does that mean that the value That you measured for the tire is incorrect? Let's say you measured The value from the tire Perfectly To the best of your knowledge You need to take a trip across the states And you find that you get a value that's higher Than the distance That you measured from New York to LA Does that mean that the Measurement of the Size of the wheel wasn't correct? Of course Do you not think that there could be other factors That you've got to factor in That may be unconsidered? Sure You've got to take everything into account Your measurement is wrong and there's other factors That you need to take into account, everything You're just going to throw out both the measurement Of the wheel and the measurement Yes, because you don't know what's accurate, do you? To the best, because you said You measured to the best of your knowledge Well, to the best of your knowledge, if you want to talk about it In Cavendish's time With the scientific Ignorance of that time Where they believed, you know Which has caused illness And you're trying to tell me That this guy was accurate When the medical knowledge back then was Spirits were causing the flu Okay I would say that whatever they were using Back then to measure anything was wrong We will go to the Q&A soon Just want to give everybody a heads up But go ahead, Planner Walk So just because You know Just because you get a different ring from On large scales, right? Doesn't mean that Your measurements are completely way off It just means that there are Wrong Well, it just means that you may not have taken Something into account But if it works on If it works on certain Well, I can tell you That, you know, like when I measure it Just say I get a Measurement of Just say I get a measurement of a meter Whenever I Measure my tires, right? And I consistently get that Measurement, no matter what technique That I use And when I go across town I get the exact same measurement When I go from one side of town to the other And I I get the exact same measurement Of distance Is what other people would give me But when I travel from LA to LA to New York I get a measurement that's Way off Now, do you think that there could be other Confounding variables that I may not have taken To consideration like maybe I've got to Travel through IC terrain, which would cause Slipping, which would artificially inflate To the value that I get I take everything into account, I already said this You're just repeating yourself, it's ridiculous You're just repeating yourself, you gotta take everything into account Everything is wrong But that does But if I'm going to use that in a practical sense Like I want to know how far it is From my place to my friends place By driving, which would allow me to How much fuel that I'm gonna use It works well enough to be able to Can I ask you something? Can I ask you something? You can't say that it's correct, can you? I'm sorry, Wotan Let's just let him finish that thought And he probably will come right back to you If I'm going to use that For practical purposes It doesn't suddenly make it Not true that I'll use $20 Of gas when I go to my friends place It just means that When I try and apply it to large scales I have to account for Larger values If I'm going to use $20 Whenever I go to my friends place I can go, okay, this uses X amount of gas I put $20 in the car I can go to my friends place and I'll make it there fine But when I go across the United States I try and compare that value I run out of fuel halfway because I did an account for confounding Things like icy terrain Or all that kind of stuff Right You're just proving yourself wrong, it's amazing I'm not proving myself wrong, I'm just showing that Just because something applies at a smaller scale Doesn't mean that it's going to apply at a large scale Excuse me James said that I can have a word, so it'll be quite So even at the smaller scale There's things that you need to take into account That you could be wrong also It doesn't matter the scale of it It's irrelevant, it's arbitrary What I'm saying is You're using something That something applies to absolutely everything But it doesn't Because it's shown to do not apply To everything, it doesn't That same exact force that you use To quote on quote Show that the water is adhering to the exterior shape By virtue of the fake force Which is bending fake concepts You're showing that to happen And then you're saying that that happens on the galactic scale also But it doesn't So if it doesn't happen at the galactic scale How do you know what happens at the planetary scale Without any observation whatsoever That is wrong So you're using You're saying that you're going to your friend's house By measuring the circumference of the tire And that you're going to your friend's house That's something that you know That you're experiencing That you know that is real If I go right now to my friend's house I know for a fact that I went to my friend's house Because I just went to my friend's house That's something that I experienced myself That I observed myself That I know that is real You can't do that You cannot show me an experiment to prove that I can show you thousands and thousands of videos Of me with a head cam Going to my friend's house With different kinds of cameras Live video feed cameras Of me going to my friend's house But you can't do that with the global You can't show me an experiment You can't show me any observable evidence You can't show me shit You've got to combine multiple experiments Combine multiple experiments We're going to get the last word to Plannerwalk and then go into Q&A So if you've got just a couple of Rebuttal points to what Wotan just said Then we'll go into Q&A So the problem is that you're trying to say Oh just because You can't prove this thing Because it would be very difficult to prove it That means that it doesn't exist But you've got to use things like abductive reasoning Which means that you take Which means that you use multiple Data points To go okay well this is how things should Should work in Reality Now if you can disprove one of those Data points like if you can disprove that Water would adhere Like if you can say okay there are Forces that If you can say okay water wouldn't Adhere to gravity because Of this particular reason Then you'd be able to say Okay well let's explore that But if You're claiming that Oh just because you can't show water adhering To gravity that means that Water would never adhere Never adhere to gravity Well technically we can show that water would Adhere to gravity but that you don't You don't can think the Downforce is gravity So then we have a big problem Sorry I don't need to go back to concepts We're going to go into Q&A So I appreciate everybody I appreciate both the speakers Thanks so much for being here with us Why aren't we going to do a 30 second summary Oh that's right so Oh gosh Right before the Q&A you're right thank you What we will do is Since we had Done it where Wotan Started we'll have Wotan do a 30 second Summary of his opponents Position just to hopefully You just let him finish last so I'm Going to finish last now So Wotan what we're going to Do is we'll give you a 30 seconds You're only summarizing so you're not Like this isn't meant to make your opponent look Bad so it doesn't really help Of course it is No the hope is That you depict it in the most charitable way To show that you've understood it well I gotta be charitable to liars If this part is If this part is done well If anything it kind of like You could say it represents Your opponents position in the most Charitable way possible so With it being realistic so go ahead We will Wotan if you want to just give 30 seconds we'll do the same I can Tell you last week when Planner Walk Did this he was he gave a very charitable Response to Flat Earth Aussie So he's not going to try To do some sort of like switch Rue on you it's going to be A charitable I'm not trying to trick You Wotan but go ahead Wotan So my opponent's position Is that he has absolutely not a single experiment To prove anything that he believes That's absolutely true He says that he can just apply Mathematics to anything and it would be Absolutely true but oops sorry It doesn't work at the galactic scale It doesn't work at the galactic scale How do you know it works at the planetary scale Well you just you know you just assume Okay well you just assume based on Different data points from different Scientific experiments which really Have no real relation to one another You could do that with the medical field Illnesses because they take you know Different symptoms and different medicines With different effects and they oh look Well that has that effect and this has that effect So maybe if we give this person that medicine You know maybe it'll cure them but oops That doesn't work either that's a little crap also They want them dying because of that Okay so you can't just take different data points From different scientific experiments And prove some fake hypothesis That you think because space is Being bent by matter which has never been proven Which can never ever be proven It's a concept it is simply a concept I want to show them your boy Kessler And he would tell you that space is a concept Okay I have a paper right here that can show you That even your boy who proved You know showed that the The theory of the earth's going The planet's going around the sun He would tell you that space is a concept Time is a concept you cannot bend concepts You can't bend concepts you don't have around earth Got sure thank you very much And Planet Rock will give you about the same amount of time Give or take So essentially Wotan's position Is that because you can't show Specific experiments that show Exactly what he wants to Have these being seen so Water sticking to a ball by virtue Of gravity and we didn't even touch On air in a vacuum container And because I Can't exactly show Space time because I can't show those things They don't exist Thank you very much gentlemen Before we go into the Q&A I want to give a huge thanks First thanks so much for all of you Who have stuck with us Even though we for there over a while It was a little bit hard to even hear So we appreciate that Also I do want to say a huge Thanks and just kind of give Shoutouts to people who are Positive in the live chat we totally appreciate that Especially when I'm like believe me If anybody's bothered by the Connection being bad it's me Or I'm like honestly I'm about to call Comcast I think Call the internet provider And say like what is going on Like why am I paying for this So believe me I appreciate when you're positive during those tough Spots I want to say king crew Thanks for your positivity Marcus Dresden thanks for When you were positive Marcus I it's true sometimes You're a little bit tough on people But I appreciate your positivity Want to call that out And say thanks so much for doing that X forbidden gaming NYC Fenrir And Tim's wit tan As well as others want to say thanks so much For being positive in the live chat I definitely notice It want to give you a shout out We have sometimes I think it's A small percent and forgive me Debaters for taking a little extra time There's a couple of things that have come up For in this debate one I think it's a small percent Like one percent probably Sometimes people are just nasty Mean in the live chat and it's like One example I'm willing to call It out because it's like maybe the meanest Michael Dresden Sometimes you are just Really mean and I know that we say We will not We will we'll let Anything fly except hate speech Like we'll never let hate speech fly But some of you it's like We're asking you to meet us halfway Be friendly we want you to feel like You're on walking on eggshells in the live chat But we also don't want you to like Take advantage of it to where you're just Freaking mean and you're just like Right on the cusp of hate speech You're just nasty mean to people Because in that case it's like Geez Louise like A lot of people aren't going to want to be here It's going to be a negative experience in the live chat If you're just nasty mean And I'll own my stuff I've got things That I can be better at in terms of like Sometimes I without a doubt My moderating could improve Sometimes the tech could be better I've got my things that I'll own And say we're working on them we'll fix them But I'd say 1% It's a really small percent so Like the vast majority of you out there Thanks so much for being positive Or maybe you're just neutral You're not particularly positive or negative But you're at least like hey how's it going And then some of you maybe you're just quiet It's like hey glad to have you here as well Because it's nasty mean it's like I'm telling you I'm on the verge sometimes For that tiny less than 1% I'm on the verge of sometimes saying Like I'm about to start Changing the rules and say If you're really nasty mean to where People are starting to say I don't want to be in that live chat at modern day debate Those people are just mean I'm like it's getting to the point Where I'll start actually hiding people Deleting their stuff banning them whatever So like I said that's less than 1% But So I do want to focus on the 99% And say thanks so much And then let's see What else want to say Let's see Oh yeah yeah I know that a lot of you Are unhappy with the fact that Nathan Thompson is a moderator It's true I have made him a moderator The reason is We do want flat earth people to be here Hopefully Those of you who I think most of you don't like it Because he just had some Disorderly conduct or something He was trying to teach flat earth He was yelling at kids on the playground Which I obviously don't Encourage But the reason that we have Them on here as a mod As well as some other flat earthers Is we want recognizable flat earthers Even if they have a disorderly conduct Like I'm willing to bear that We want flat earthers to be mods too In the same way that we have Globerthers as mods Because we want all parties to Feel equally welcome It's a radical tolerance And we're really trying To live out the actual diversity thing Of saying like Republican, Democrat Flat earth or Globerth No matter who you are Even if you've got Something on your criminal record For yelling at kids on the playground Pretty radical, I know But if you don't like it Frankly, if you don't like it We're radical about that kind of diversity and tolerance If you don't like it unsubscribe, I don't care So that's just how we're doing it Nathan's going to remain a mod If you don't like it, you can unsubscribe It's okay, I'm not going to be mad You don't know me any So with that, thanks so much for your questions And let's see We do have a lot of questions And hopefully ask everybody's And first up, Gerhard Selig Thanks for your super chat who said just for the song That's nice of you Gerhard and just so you know Because we do get it once in a while somebody will ask What the song is It's World Goes Wild by Above Envy That's in the bottom of the description Next up, thanks for your super chat From Steven Steen, nasty guy Says I had happy hours several times By myself, COVID-19 Very sad Hope you feel better Steven In the morific mind, thanks for your super chat Says Wotan lives in the corner Of cognitive and dissonance Wotan, do you believe this? Is this true? Ognative dissonance because A globe art that has never presented to me In the history of me debating On YouTube for 3-4 years They've never presented a single Scientific experiment to prove Anything that they believe I really find that really funny Gotcha Next up We've got Hold on one second I'm just loading up Ranger man 9404 Thanks for your super chat who says Wotan lives on the corner They said my brain cells are committing suicide already Aw come on take it easy On planter walk Gotcha Ranger man 940 Stupid horror energy, thanks for your super chat Who said gravity is so strong on the earth That it has no edges so water Can't fall off Wotan, what do you think of them apples? Do you have any experiment to prove that Or are you just going to tall crap out of your ass That's really funny because every globe art that does Just tall crap out of the rest with no experiments To prove anything that they believe whatsoever Wotan Steven steen, thanks for your super chat Who says James's beauty is so strong No love can fall away Bless your heart Steven steen, nasty guy But you know what, I'll take what I can get Thanks up stringer news one Thanks for your super chat who says Looks like Wotan just forfeited Congrats planter walk Maybe that was because we started late, I don't know But, next up Stupid horror energy, thanks for your super chat Who says if Wotan was a fan of Dawkins Name the software that he wrote Software that he wrote I only read his book, I'm not a Dawkins historian I just read his book Gotcha, well very sassy Next up, thanks so much Leofilius The lion hearted Thanks for your super chat, they said Wotan doesn't understand general relativity Wotan, is this true? Do you? Me? No, frankly I don't Or do you mean you talk about them? Does the guy who's asking does? Because I don't even think the astrophysicists do Because if they did, then the stars is The galaxy wouldn't be moving 10 times faster Than what they're predicting with their general relativity Fake gravity, fake bending space In the concepts model, sorry Gotcha, thanks for your super chat From Quelly Cush Says Wotan, how do you explain The change of seasons on a flat earth? Please don't dodge the question How do you explain the change of seasons On the globe, there's a slight Little tilt towards the earth Yet on the elliptical orbit Of the earth, the earth is up to 3.5 million miles Further away from the sun Why wouldn't the earth just be in A little frozen wasteland When it's on the, you know At the apex of the elliptical orbit Why wouldn't it just be a complete ball of ice Just all the oceans on the earth Just turn instantly into ice A little tilt towards the earth Just a few hundred, few thousand miles That's what causes the summer on the earth That's just absolutely preposterous to me That question is also regarding Some kind of a model, I don't have a model I just don't believe anything that the little bird says Thanks so much For Super Chat, who asks Wotan, have you looked at How GPS works In particular how it works And did you know You can make your own software antenna Or receiver from scratch The EQS Use general relativity And curvature Wotan, are you there? Crickets No response from Wotan You might have summed to Mike Red Cosmos Devil, thanks for your Super Chat They say the earth is absolutely Undoubtedly without a doubt In 100% spherical Wotan, just stop with this nonsense Sounds like a lot Sounds like a person just claiming Jesus is real It's pretty funny just like, oh he's absolutely Real and because he's absolutely real Because of the fact that he's absolutely real Because he's absolutely real, okay that's cool Cool story bro Ranger man 9404, thanks for your Super Chat Who says even my cat is face-palming at Wotan Next up Michael Dresden, thanks for your Super Chat Michael, you're the one Who I've mentioned I'm only going to read part of your Super Chat Because some of it is again just nasty mean They said Wotan's winning in all caps And let's see That's about all I'm going to read Beloved, thanks for your Super Chat They said debate in a boxing ring With gloves, live feed it And that's a great idea Beloved, that would be fun Phillip Thank you for your Super Chat They said Wotan you clearly don't know what an argument From end credulity is It's when someone says Quote, X is false because I don't understand it Planner walk never said anything like that Would you like me to time stamp the video From, well flat out there was Jesus Anybody in the chat right now could go on Modded the debate channel right now Go to around the 20 minute mock And Planner walk would literally say That he doesn't believe that the Moonlanders can be fake Because he doesn't believe that they have the technology to fake it That's exactly that That is the patent definition Of appeal to incredulity And if you say otherwise you're a moron Gotcha, thanks so much Next up we have Red Cosmos Devil Thanks for your Super Chat, they said Wotan in all caps Aren't you Victor from the Atheist experience show That got educated by an aerospace engineer student Why are you still a flat earth or LOL Educated First of all that's not even a Educated Why don't you look at the video again The other one who's just appealing to mathematics Which has no relation to reality whatsoever Just like this guy Planner walk does But oops, doesn't work Sorry, even the math The thing that they worship, the math That's all they ever claim is math Sorry, even the math doesn't work Gotcha, next up Thanks so much for your Super Chat From appearance Is not reality Idiot of yourself acting like Hovind, I've had more intelligent Conversations with a five year old Well, I don't know if you're out there Or anything, but you've got a critic Thanks for your Super Chat, Wotan Dark matter is just a label For the unexplained cause of extra gravity Most scientists Don't positively say that it is actually Matter Okay, you could literally supplant The dark matter Terminology and I could say Rainbow gay unifarts Rainbow gay unicorn farts What's the difference? That's exactly what's causing the stars to go faster What's the difference? You could just say anything at that point Thanks so much Next up Who said recap Wotan has admitted the earth spins and moves through space Plus the galaxy has an edge So space is real Debate over What was that? Was that towards me? Well what, can you repeat that? Matthew Mathews, perhaps a relative Of Erica Mathews says Recap, Wotan has admitted the earth spins And moves through space, plus the galaxy Has an edge, so space is real Debate over I never once admitted that the earth is spinning I just simply played the ball and acted like If it was moving, then how it would be wrong anyway Could you time stamp when I said That the earth is absolutely spinning please And before you make baseless assertions, thanks Gotcha Energy and area, 85 restorations Thanks for your super chats, we're gonna get to those quickly We're gonna, we got a few in The line first Wotan, you have no experience To prove that you know what you were talking about Is your hero Dunning or Kruger? I have no experience I take to say what I'm talking about All I'm doing is asking questions I'm asking for experiments to prove What you believe That's all I'm doing I could literally be a blind Parapolegic homeless person on the street And my questions would still be valid I would have an IQ of 3 And it doesn't matter because all I'm doing is asking questions She's asking for experiments And you can't show me them, so I don't believe you Gotcha Daniel Beaker, thanks for your super chat We will get right to it shortly Stupid horror energy, thanks for your other super chat Who says it's not that gravity doesn't work It's that gravity predicts There is more stuff That we cannot see That just sounds like a really fancy way of saying That we don't know what we know Because we know what we don't know Gotcha, Area 85 Restoration Appreciate it, they said Wotan, have you ever published a peer-reviewed scientific paper? No, well I have two under my belt And I say you are full of it Cool, that's an appeal to What is it, education level Doesn't mean anything at all So what, okay, what does that mean That every single person who has A peer-reviewed scientific paper Do they all agree on the exact same thing? No, okay, so it doesn't matter At that point, you could have two people Who have peer-reviewed studies, peer-reviewed Papers, journals, publications, whatever But they completely disagree with each other So it doesn't, that's not even a truth claim It's just, you're just appealing Gotcha, next up Thanks so much for your super chat From rolling for truth who said Wotan, it's nice to hear you again Glad you're still out there wrecking globes You held it down for flat earth Planner walk, why do you do this to yourself? You've got a critic out there Yeah, so It was fun, like, as annoyed as I sometimes do Get by people just You know, not being able to add 148 and 3 Which is 151 Took you a bit to Next up, thanks so much Took you a few seconds to add that up I came up with those numbers No, we're sorry Common sense criticism, thanks for your super chat They said, quote, demonstrate earth On earth Quote from Wotan, they say Right Demonstrate that the earth is round on earth That's OEX I don't see what the problem is with that Next up, area 85 restoration Appreciate your super chat, they said Gravity is an acceleration So what you were actually asking Is, quote, prove that an acceleration Attach a rope to a water bucket And spin it above your head There is your experiment The bucket? These are the oldest arguments in the world Does anybody do any research into this topic? Or do you just join the channel And you just come up with the typical day one arguments Like the day one anti-flatter earth The things that you first think about When you first encounter flat earth You just think of something in your head real quick Do your research, okay? First of all, that has nothing to do with the forces that are going on With the water around the earth The earth is not contained in a bucket The only reason why the water Is staying in that bucket Is because this force is acting on the opposite side of the bucket But oops, it's closed on the opposite side of the bucket So that's why it doesn't fly out If you remove the bottom of the bucket What happens, the water just flies out, doesn't it? Gotcha, appreciate that Next up, thanks for your super chat from Our dearest friend, Rivette Who says for a welder, Wotan sure doesn't seem to grasp Rounding errors Or tolerance stacking Think I'm going to stay far away from Anything he's welded Rounding errors Or tolerance stacking Of what? My 10 years of welding I've never heard of Rounding errors What do you mean like the bead, the shape of the bead I don't know I don't know I don't know what Wotan's Welding is like I can test to his painting though The painting he told me to put in place of his photo Is a beautiful painting I did that blindfolded with my left hand He's good Thanks for your super chat John Rapp who says This is a joke, he didn't do that Wotan, he said we are sick of you Not letting him talk Wotan, is it true that you didn't let Planner walk talk? I don't let people lie in front of me, sorry Once you stop lying, that's when I interrupt Wotan, common sense criticism Says all in favor of muting Wotan, press one Press one, please Translator carminum Thanks for your super chat They said it's as if we are proven With one experiment that all men are mortal And with another that Socrates is a man But Wotan won't believe that Socrates Is mortal until he can literally Watch Socrates die Wotan, do you want to see Socrates Dead? He's trying to say that I can't believe Socrates ever lived because I would need to see him alive I think they're saying That Granting the premises that support flat earth Being like, he's saying they're demonstrable One ought to say That the conclusion follows That the earth's a globe And they're saying but you just won't Accept it despite But they aren't demonstrable though That's the problem What they're doing is If you've got two premises It's simple logic If you've got premises one is correct And premises two is correct And there's a conclusion that follows from both of these premises Then the conclusion should follow So premise one being Men are mortal And premise two being Socrates is a man The conclusion that follows from that Is Socrates is mortal Well no because in that instance The premise one Foul is the same thing as the conclusion There's no difference between the first premise and the conclusion Next up Do if you keep moving just to get through as many as we possibly can Let's see We have Superdora Energy says Oops I did it again Oops I did it again I played with your heart Got lost in the game oh baby baby Well thank you for that Ranger man Thank you baby That was beautiful I love that Then Ranger man 9404 thanks for your super chat Who says quote planter walk is Quote unquote stream Steamrolling that's more projection Than a drive In theater I think they're saying planter walk Or I'm sorry Wotan you were the one That was steamrolling people I might have been sorry Gotcha I appreciate that Common sense criticism thanks for your Super chat who says Let's see here Wotan's speech Oh geez Nasty mean okay Say it say it I'm ready They said Wotan's speech impediment is annoying I thought you just have a New York accent Yeah Put down the New York accent James Let's see New Zealand accent versus New York accent New York alright Thanks for your super chat P Barnes They say did Nathan's Did Nathan keep an interruption Tally for this debate Oh okay John rap thanks for your super chat Excuse me I was busy interrupting you I think they're impersonating you Wotan do you think that's true Yeah probably Wotan I'd actually like to see interruption An interruption Tally for this debate I'd actually like you can leave comments Right um I probably I'd probably be afraid to flatter it Well at least you're admitting to that Let's see Next up we have a super chat From our dear friend John let's see area 85 Restoration says Wotan as An engineer I have a question If gravity is quote lies How am I able to design machines That work in reality in parentheses Using gravity In my calcs And our calculations And get accurate results Well my position is that not the acceleration Going down is not a lie that's something That we can measure that we know is true What I'm saying is what with the cause of that Is that's where the that's where the fake science comes In because what they say is the cause of that Is that matter alone just matter Existing in space just alone With nothing acting upon it whatsoever Is creating a force and that Is being created because the matter is bending Space which is a concept You cannot bend concepts I will say this until the day that I die You cannot bend a concept a concept Is something simply in which It only exists inside of the human mind It's like infinity you can't bend Infinity you can't bend Space you can't bend time Can you show me an experiment Where you can bend infinity I would love to see that Next up thanks so much For your super chats from Carlos Rabia and Brian We're going to get to your super chat shortly Thanks so much Stefan Lyceanin I hope I pronounced that right Sorry if I didn't Appreciate your super chat where they said Can you host Dr. Charles William Lucas Or Bill to defend his universal Force theory I Perhaps would be willing to host that If it's something that Hopefully people I'm new to the topic to be honest So possibly if you can connect me Via email it's something we could talk about Translator Carmenum Thanks for your super chat who said Wotan the current conventional model may not explain Everything but it easily explains Far more and with fewer assumptions Than the flat earth model Really wow Fewer assumptions I go outside to look at the horizon The horizon is flat can you possibly tell me How you can make a simpler assumption If I go outside to look at the horizon It's flat you're going to tell me that it's round If I go outside and the horizon is flat The earth is flat I'm not saying that that's absolutely true Don't misquote me don't quote my me I'm saying what I'm saying is that assumption That belief that That assumption requires the least amount Of assumptions you cannot assume Anything less you go outside You see the horizon is flat you assume That the earth is flat period you go outside You do not feel anything moving you do not Therefore the earth is not moving period Those are two of the simplest assumptions You can possibly make about the nature of the universe Gotcha Jack Jack recall thanks for your super chat If you had a question you wanted to attach to it Just let me know in the live chat with a normal chat And I can attach it on for you and read it Thanks so much JL Warren For your super chat who said Wotan What predictions does your model make I don't have a model Gotcha John Rapp Thanks for your super chat who said Planner walk was Wotan correct on any counter points Oh you might be What was that John Rapp said Planner walk was Wotan Correct on any of his counter points No Thank you very much for that Stupid horror energy Thanks for your super chat who said The software that Dawkins wrote is prominently Discussed in his books It's called the weasel program So stick that in your pipe And smoke it Books I only read the God allusion so I think I read it twice Gotcha thanks very much Wotan Area 85 restoration Thanks for your super chat who said To be clear in my earlier super chat I was referring to gravity as little G Which is an acceleration Caused by The bending of fake concepts The bending of what not fake concepts But the bending of fake mediums Known as space time Can you prove any of that Gotcha thanks for that Next up Daniel Baker If I'm raised in Antarctica I assume all Earth is snow You do similar by seeing a flat horizon Why do you trust your perceptions When humans are fallible Was that what was made Yes What was that If I'm raised in Antarctica I assume all Earth is snow You do similar by seeing a flat horizon Why do you trust your perceptions When humans are fallible The horizon on Antarctica is flat also isn't it Thanks for that No matter where you go on Earth the horizon is flat It doesn't matter where you go the horizon is always flat Next up Fred Who asked Wotan How do the seasons work on flat Earth Not the globe I don't have a model I'm sorry You guys have to understand my position Ever This is a problem actually that I think with a lot of flat Earth Does have a lot of flat Earth Does they come out with these wild theories On how the moon works and how the sun works And how the seasons work and how this works I love them but sometimes They don't have any real Demarsable experiments to prove what they're saying So you will never ever find me Making a claim to something which I cannot verify for myself So all I say is I think I have the most pragmatic position In the entire flat Earth community All I say is you go outside You see the horizon is flat Therefore I believe that the Earth is flat and motionless Because you do not see a curvature And you do not feel anything spinning If you say otherwise If you're going to tell me otherwise that it's round If you're going to tell me otherwise that it's spinning The burden of proof is on you It's not on me I don't need to prove anything whatsoever I can sit here on my flat throne And just laugh at you in your face When you try to present me all these fake evidence Card selling Jack Rockall and Marty I hope I pronounced Marty andista, thanks for your super chats We'll get to those in just a second Appreciate you sending them in And in the meantime, let's see We have a super chat from Mike Billers who said Wotan, how do seasons occur on flat Earth Also have you ever used a solar panel When it was 30 degrees Off You get not even 50% Of the energy production The seasons has been addressed already And I never used a solar panel So I wouldn't know anything about that Sorry Stupid horror energy Take a cold shower, thanks for your super chat Brian Stevens, thanks for your super chat Who says Wotan's picture is Heath's Icon Giving credit So you must be buddies with Is it pronounced Heath Is it pronounced Heath The person who you have the icon of Oh, it's pronounced I have no idea, I just went to Google and looked up Horizon Not you, Wotan He's talking about me It's pronounced Heath And I've talked with him a couple of times I actually had him in one of my videos Where he says I am Heath That's awesome Well, that's excellent And I appreciate your super chat As well from Stigio Fredo, it's a Rabia in the house He's been around here for a long time Keeping it real, we appreciate that He says Planner, is Earth A perfect sphere Or Chubbier, oblate Well, it's Slightly wider at the equator And also Like You can't even count it as a perfect sphere Because it has mountains so I think The word for that is something like Spheroid or something Something like that Appreciate that Next up, watch it over there We have a super chat from Jack Recall, thanks for both of your Super chats, appreciate that Support, Gerhard Selig Thanks for your super chat, he said James Gotcha, Natalie's or Nathan's Wrench is as holy as mine Oh, I hate it, thanks for clarification Well, thanks for your understanding, Gerhard I know we're radicals here About the whole I'm quite proud of that, you know Forgive me for patting myself on the back But thanks for your understanding Martianista, thanks for your Super chat Said that not knowing math is not A valid counter argument Wohton I never said I don't know Math, I said that people that do know Math got it wrong Gotcha, appreciate it Next up, we have a super chat That just came in, let's see here Appreciate your patience, John Rapp Who asks or says Disbelief debunks science Right, dumb For the win Science, science is Observable, demonstrable, empirical Or is there any demonstrable Observable, empirical evidence For water adhering to the Of a shape? No. Is there any Observable, demonstrable, empirical Evidence of air, gas Existing in a vacuum? No. Is there any observable, demonstrable, Empirical evidence of Space bending? No. Is there any Observable, demonstrable, empirical Evidence of time bending? No. Therefore, the globe Earth model is not science Gotcha And want to say Thanks so much folks, we do have more questions Hold on tight, and Let's see, we do want to ask From Amy Newman You'll remember her from last Saturday If you guys were watching that tag team With Tom Jump and the two Catholic Fellows They said, for Wolton Do you ever plan to submit your own Evidence for a flat earth into Peer-reviewed science journals? I don't need any evidence to prove That the earth's flat. Gotcha Thanks so much, appreciate that We have another question From Adam Abilia Thanks so much for your patience He said, asked Wolton, there are multiple additional Evidence There are multiple Additional Evidence factors or points That strongly point to dark matter Namely, gravitational Lensing, CMB And clusters. The most Brilliant minds are on it Not YouTube graduates Okay, cool Can you show me how you can bend space Can you show me how you can bend time? No you can't All you have is this gravitational Lensing which can be caused by Who knows how many other different variables I feel like we're in the times of Cavendish When Cavendish had no idea About electromagnetism, he had no idea About any other possible variable That he can possibly even take into account Into his experiments, so I feel like We're in that age also, when it comes to dark matter Lensing, who knows what we could discover In, you know, 50, 175 years Into the future, which is going to explain What is causing this, you know, fake Gravitational Lensing NASA could just give you bullshit anyway It's fine that amazing how people just believe This one image that they see online It's automatically real because NASA showed it To us, oh wow, that's beautiful NASA also showed us the fake-ass moon landings Complete garbage, next Thank you J.L. Warren for your super chat Said yes to all of this You refuse to accept it Wohtan No, there's no evidence Sorry, there's no experiments Playing all walk, he's just another You know, he's just another Drop in the bucket of all the people that I've debated On YouTube, I've debated everybody Everybody you can imagine on YouTube Not one person has ever shown me an experiment To prove anything that they believe, nothing Zero, I can guarantee you, nothing Not one piece of evidence Have you debated conspiracy kids? I haven't So you haven't debated everybody? Okay, okay, you want to make a blame? You got me, Goldberg proven There you go, you got it You got it So, always fun, folks We hope that we can The rumor is, I didn't mention it Because it was just too, I was going to start crying I was going to start breaking up This may be Wohtan's retirement debate I'm not joking At least, maybe it's not a retirement Maybe a long Kind of a furlough Hiatus Furlough, where Wohtan was considering taking time off As you know of the pandemic By the way, I'm curious in the live chat If you can answer this Our internet connection is solid now We have no problems Is it really the case that Sometimes when a lot of people Are on, like they're just using the internet At the same time Is it really true that that would affect My connection? No, yes I don't think so So, there's a certain There's actually, this is a few years ago I remember someone in my IT course Mentioning that At certain periods of time So when everybody got home And was watching Netflix The internet for everyone Or the internet speeds would drop And that's because There's a certain amount of capacity That can be delivered to a certain area Generally, ISPs will try and account For this kind of thing though That's if you're on the same node That's if you're on the same node Yeah, like Around the world, you know what I'm saying Around the world is not going to make a difference But a lot of people in your area Are aligned and yet There's a lot of people in James' area That will impact his internet connection Especially if they're using Large amounts of Data or sending and uploading Or uploading and downloading Large amounts of data then Cool problems And just had some super chats Fly in, stupid horror energy Thanks for your super chat who says Can James explain why he is sometimes Melodramatic? I definitely am Oftentimes I'm an optimist That's why some days they say, hey Joel, bottom right of your screen One week from now Joel Patrick and Hunter Avalon Will be debating the controversial Bible and homosexuality issue That's going to be a big one Maybe the best debate ever, I mean it could be It's going to be terrific, we know that So next up, thanks for your super chat One thing you've got on tomorrow is looking good Oh, I know, you guys, if you have not Heard about it, tomorrow morning They have two tomorrow So both in the morning The veganism will be on trial In the sense that cosmic skeptic Will be here tomorrow morning He will be arguing that veganism Is a moral obligation One of the bigger questions of our time For real, I just think this is huge I'm really excited I like that topic, seeing that I'm a vegan as well Are you serious? You're the last person I would have guessed as a vegan But maybe you think that Like the government poisons the meat or something Well they obviously do Maybe he just Thinks that Anyone will have a right to life as well Maybe I have to be honest I'll show my hand a little bit I am moving more toward the Vegan position Little by little I do take it very seriously I can convince you I appreciate that If you want to come here And you want to debate on veganism Sure I have actually I don't I'm not really a vegan Or a vegetarian even But I do try and cut down On the amount of animal products that I do use A lot of my meals I used to have A lot of meat in my diet But I've cut back on that Especially when I had steak and stir fry I'll actually just remove the steak And it still tastes good Unfortunately I don't always have the money for pork I just will go with it Appreciate your honesty Thanks for your chat JL Warren They said Please explain how I can purchase access To the ISS and go there You can go there? No they're asking you how they can What do you mean? They want to know how they can Purchase access to the ISS And go there They want to know if I have the connects To go to the ISS They seem to think you've done it I'm in cahoots with the illuminati Freemasons who go into space Who fake every single The biggest lies on the face of the earth I'm the perfect guy to go to that Appreciate that Next up Appreciate your super chat as well From our dearest friend Phillip Who says For the flat earth Which is just the horizon Looking flat from a low altitude I'm gonna make this analogy Hopefully for the last time I hope everybody hears it I'm gonna make this analogy again If the earth were 100 times smaller In diameter That would mean that you go outside You would literally see curvature You would see buildings tilting backwards You would see not even boats going on the horizon You would see bicycles going on the horizon Walking beyond the horizon The amount of curvature would just be blatantly apparent So imagine in that world Where the diameter of the earth is The circumference of the earth is 100 times smaller Than what it is today And you would tell that person What the earth is around is flat What do you think they would tell you They would look at you like you're absolutely Bad shit out of your mind What do you mean The earth is obviously round You could see left and right curvature That the earth is around in that instance We're living in the same exact time right now Which is absolutely self-evident That the earth is absolutely flat So you don't need any evidence to prove it If I were to get into a conversation About somebody and try to Really try to convince them that the earth is flat Then you probably would need some evidence For the flat earth But right now I just love refuting The typical ball-earth arguments And just sitting down like The earth is obviously flat And you don't feel anything moving So if you're going to tell me otherwise The burden of proof is on you And if you do not meet the burden of proof Then you're full of shit That sounds like denialism No, it's not denialism at all You haven't presented any evidence To prove anything So I'm just What experiments do you have You said yourself you don't have experiments All you have is you accumulate Experiments and data points from Different experiments and you accumulate Them together to grant one picture But you can't do anything at all with one experiment You can't just show me Face to face, show me air in a vacuum Show me water on the exterior of a shape Show me how you can bend space How you can bend time You can't do anything Gotta keep this moving If you want Technically to be fair I usually do if the super chats for someone I usually let them have the last word Stupid whore energy No, we got hers Thanks for that We have from area 85 restoration Thanks for your super chat They said how was the Parahelion Procession Of Mercury's orbit Not an observable Demonstrable repeatable experiment Proving the theory of relativity I have no idea what that even means Sorry Okay, thanks for your honesty That has nothing to do with the shape of the earth John Rapp, thanks for your super chat He said planner walk, did he just Prove my point What was that Points I think maybe that the Earth is a globe No, I don't think that's what it was It was something maybe related though Next up, Corsi Corsi Husky, thanks for your super chat Who says James You discourage insulting speech But you put venom on the end of some Of your super chat readings Maybe not do that Maybe I shouldn't I think for me it's like It's more the degrees of like If my venom is that harsh Then maybe I will stop I don't know how it's perceived by everybody else So I will actually consider that Sometimes I ask I tell Wotan to put that in his pipe And smoke it Don't worry about it Like a bit of banter I welcome that But don't get me wrong I don't want you guys to feel in the live chat Like you're walking on eggshells I'm not going to freak out You're like I'm just saying that sometimes it's excessive To where By the way, keep in mind this is like 1% 99% of you I just want to say thanks so much For not being Like super For not being insulting Or rude James, whenever I'm in the chat Or you can push my bonzo Okay, that sounded Sound a little weird Appreciate it Next up, stupid whore energy Appreciate your super chat who said Did James color the vegan green Oh yeah, I did Cosmic skeptic, you'll see at the bottom right Of your screen The reason is because I couldn't find A colored photo Of Sterling, his opponent So I was like, okay, well Both gray would look bad It just wouldn't have looked that good You know, it doesn't really pop So I was like, well, I'll make Sterling red I'll make Cosmic skeptic green Thanks for noticing, appreciate that Sarah And we're very excited though If you love Flat Earth debates We are pumped that Team Skeptic Will be back on next Saturday At 9pm against Flat Earth Aussie So that should be a fun one Hopefully we'll see you for that one And we do want to say thanks so much For being here You guys are, honestly, it's always a pleasure It's always wild, it's Sometimes it's a, you know, it's a slobber Knocker, people are It's pretty crazy out there Anything can happen, but that's what makes this In a way, I think that's really A huge part of what makes this fun But more so, it's the debater And Plannerwark for being with us tonight Absolutely Can I just say something before we go off here? You bet So I'll have an after-show afterwards Which, Wotorn, you're more than welcome To come on And we can continue a couple of the discussions If you like They're going to be just me and you, sure I don't want you to I can stop other people Flat Earth and Team Skeptic and all those little liars on there I can prevent other people From coming on And I haven't had I don't care, but I, you know I'd rather discuss with you Gotcha And we'll, yeah It can go as long as we need it to So we don't have the restriction on Having to wait We don't have the restriction on Okay, we need to get super chats done by this time Or something, you know That's funny Appreciate all of you guys being here Appreciate that positive feedback From you and the live chat And One last word from me James, I did like the When I asked to get the last word and you were like No, I thought that was really funny I was fucking laughing Appreciate that, you like that, Wotorn I appreciate that I have to give credit to you, Wotorn You have so much patience Because it is true A lot of poop gets thrown at you, Wotorn And you never Yeah, I mean, you are You're aggressive, that's for sure But you're not You've never rage quit, have you Did you ever rage quit on the secretary show? No, no, no, I'll debate anybody Absolutely nobody, I don't care One thing I'm just wondering I might have asked this before But were you the person that You talked to, I believe that There was this conversation maybe between you And this person Did they show you this tool Called Photo Photo Forensics I believe that was a website Yes, I could verify Something like that, it was a website He was showing about the ELA signature I think it was ELA, pretty sure that was Any of it, yeah Photo Forensic with an F Okay, yeah, I remember That one, I remember that one Oh, you were watching? I didn't watch it live One of these streams I don't catch live I often watch That was a while ago, that was like over a year ago Had to be at least a year ago It was a long time ago Last one, Soli Diogloria Thanks for your super chat James, God bless you and your brother Appreciate your kindness Means a lot as well as The others in the live chat Strange and wonderful and others If you're encouraging words So Philip and others Yeah, I mean It's always fun, folks Thanks for being here, thanks for hanging out with us And with that, I want to give you one last reminder Both of our guests, I put their links in the description So that you can hear or see more Where that came from So thanks for being with us tonight We hope to see you for that next debate We've got one as I mentioned on Veganism Tomorrow With Cosmic Skeptic and the next week Flat Earth Debate with Team Skeptic And Flat Earth Aussie So hopefully we'll see you then