 All in favor. I have Nettie, I have Nettie Penman as president. Okay. Oh, she's here. Nettie's here. Sorry, Stephanie Hanna. Is that correct? I'm sorry? First to motion me by Stephanie All in favor. I like it. And then that would be the passes one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, eight, yeas, one abstention. Nettie is abstaining from motion. She's participating and present, but is staying on camera. All right. Additions and corrections to the November 16th agenda. That's the one we have here that got handed out. This one has already been corrected, but corrections to the posted agenda that was online, which is already been made under the copy here, is AA, we're deleting and moving the other items up because we talked about the de-installation of the gathering of people last week. We're adding 9D, twanglet lights and 9E, safety and justice building. We'll say how we live and what we live for. We're adding those items to the agenda that's posted. All right, Sean, good boy. Congratulations, Sean. Congratulations, Sean. Yeah, congratulations, Sean. Yeah, you do. We hope you'll be continuing. All right, updates. How many? Danielle and Jennifer. We have, I just spoke last month, I think. We have four openings right now, but only two are available right now and two are next June. Okay, so Danielle, do you have reports? Yeah, we had six interviews. Yeah, six interviews last week, and then we did one this week on Tuesday, but this Tuesday? Yep. Okay, that's important. Sorry, I don't know where I'm at right now. So yeah, so we did the six interviews. They all looked very, very well. Every single person did, had pretty great interview, I think, all of them had done, all of them would have been very nice additions to the commission. We kind of did get really tough on us and really had to break every person down by the things that were the most important to us, which we think that mean, we did a pretty good job in kind of making a grounded thing about what was most important to all of us about community and what we all live on this team. So we broke everybody else, everybody down, so they were all voted originally by their original way that we all interviewed basically the same process, everybody would do that. And then we sat down individually after the interviews were all finished to dive a little deeper because everybody scored so well, so and then, yeah, Jennifer, I don't know. So every, all of the applications were very thoughtful, very interesting people and as Daniel said, all of them would be good, would bring something to the commission. Our top, this is our top priorities that we've worked on and discussed were to bring that we want to add to the commission diversity, a willingness to contribute to the community and to the city, arts experience and knowledge of, knowledge of AI thinking, which is what's important to us because we have so much going on and to all know that we're hoping to have new people hit the ground running. So this knowledge of, at least some knowledge of our process. So those were our top priorities that we, that we focused on as we discussed all of the applications and our next steps will be that we have made, we make our recommendations to city council, the city council will decide if they want to interview or what they want to do. If it really is not our decision, we will recommend to the city council only and we'll see what they do. So, Angela. Yep, so as I understand interviews will be December the 16th and appointments will be the 19th and then we will hear back. And after we hear back, then we can send a note to all of the applicants and say thank you very much. Here are some other opportunities such as selection panels and also there will be two more seats, at least two more seats that become available in June and we won't offer or suggest you're interested in pre-applying and you can do that. So that's the process. So it's the city council only going to be interviewing the people that we recommend? I do not know. Okay, they might actually take all six of them. They can do whatever they want. Okay, all right, just. We need a motion here because it was not clear when we made this nominating committee that we wanted the motion to formally delineate the recommendation decision to be nominated. So the nominating committee can forward on their recommendations to the city council without having all of us to have to interview everything. That's when we have our nominating committee. Okay. So I need a unless we want to talk about this and everybody says oh no we want to watch all the interviews. And technically and formally this this delegation shouldn't happen when we established the nominating committee. So we need a motion to delineate the recommendation decision to the nominating committee. I knew that we don't need the nominating decision to the nominating committee. So they can forward it on to city council. Yes, sir. Second. All in favor? We've got one, two, six, seven, eight. And Jeff. And Jeff. Great. Iris and Nettie upstairs. So two upstairs. Sure. Kivers were there. Guys were there. There was a beautiful group of members here. I would say there's a little bit of everything I think that was represented with all the interviews are a little bit of everything or there's a good of a mixture of things. Of course, you could always have more diversity. But I think the group was a very good group to choose from. I think that they all kind of provided something a little different than one another, which I thought was kind of a great thing to do. So just I was curious because we were reaching. Absolutely. We're getting there for sure. Yes. And one thing to note. Thank you very much, Laura, from social media campaign and some of the work that we're doing by talking out in our community. We had eight applicants. We had eight applicants. Some boards and commissions had zero. And we had eight. So what we're doing by trying to get the word out what we're doing about the work we're doing as outreach and absolutely 100% social media, it is working and we're getting there. So the two applicants, one did not interview by choice and one was not registered to vote, which is a requirement. So we're, of course, inviting those people to return when we can. I love that you're saying that because I felt like from all those small community events that I had been involved with, I was always handing out applications and people were really pumped about it. So yay. Yay. That's all. Yay. Okay. Before we get to 7B, I need to state for the record that Iris and Betty have joined us via Zoom. Okay. So item 7B, Klover Meadows. Oh, that was what I was supposed to have. Klover Meadows. Klover Meadows is a park. Klover Meadows is a park that you all have designated and allocated $60,000 for a project and our parks department people have come back to us with some updates. I'm talking slow. So we're talking about this? Yeah. Keep in mind that we're going to look for a task force of two people to take out of the park in this park. If we're on a task force presently. Yeah. This is an old, this is old, but it gives you an idea. Where is this one? This one's way it's way west. Yes. So kind of to the east a little bit to the right, like renaissance is it over there? Yeah. It's got a, it's a very great view west of the mountains and things like that. So some of the things that actually are being talked about right now, the bike skills, pump track situation, which is kind of up here, if you will, that is happening and is under a little bit of discussion of how that is going to be happening. Is it, is it up and down? Yeah, except there's like wavy tracks. So kids on stride or rides, you know, everyone. And then where 10 in is here over on the left a little bit more. Apparently, as of the conversation right now, the city forester is talking about the first fruit tree orchard. Intentionally put in and they might be confused first ever, but yet still on the last fruit trees that you could think orchard is being discussed. There you go. They built around the fruit trees at Rogers Park. This one is intentional. And then of course there will be a playground in the amenities that are standard of every neighborhood park. But we of course would like to work very directly with the parks department in developing and figuring out the call for artists and then which direction to go as they, because this is a design build and we've never done design before. So Fox Meadows, which I know that we have, you guys have got the test scores last time, but Fox Meadows is design build and so is this. So it's going to be a little bit of a warning her, but I think it's going to be good for everyone. There are also a lot of community folks who are on the parks department. So it's good because we're going to figure out some best practices, but lots of communication. So has there been a community discussions yet? This design build was launched during the COVID era and so yes, some of that happened, but they're done with it. So we're going to receive all of that information including all the contact information of anybody who participated and then be able to communicate with them. The rest of the community outreach would be specific to public art, but will not be specific to part of them. Does that make sense? Yeah, I was just wondering if the local community had expressed any interest in doing kind of art? No, not really, but we also have an aspect. Okay. So we're looking for a task force to get it on the ground floor and start thinking outside the box for what kind of art goes into this neighborhood. Can I just say something? Sure. I go on the bike path all the time and over the creek side, you know, you have that sculpture of the ant and the leaf and everything and you know, I see kids playing on that all the time. It's what I mean when I have a great time. And you know, like I ride my bike forward toward the red barn and the water park, right? And then there's that sculpture that's over there that's not far from the backgrounds. It's a metal sculpture. Yeah, those rejuvenations. Yeah. And you know, I don't know, it's so different. I want to say it doesn't get any interaction. It doesn't, you know, there's nobody playing around it or using it or in any way interacting ever. So I just, you know, there's a big difference and you know, when the public can enjoy it. I just want to say. It'll be better when we have a sign up for that, that it's a commemoration of the flood, that it's the body that we built, part of the recovery from that, the better when there's a sign. It's like it doesn't, it's like in Dawson Park. I mean, you have the Dawson Supertree and nobody plays on that, but I was like, you know, stand and watch and look at all the friends, we're all over hand friends and that little white people and stuff like that all the time, whenever I go there. Okay, so I'm still looking for volunteers through passports for this. Okay, I'll do it. Okay. And memorial. Okay, third. Nope, just two. And you just signed up for Fox Metal Scratch. Whatever this is in the, yeah, that's right. Okay. I did not know this one was coming out. This is like in my backyard. Do you want to switch because now is the time. You can switch out. Someone has to do Fox Metal Scratch. Yeah, I actually should do it. If you want to do that, okay. Is there a place I'd like to be? Huh? Or are the Fox Metal Scratch challenging? No, I'm on the west side of town, but it's okay. Okay, no, I'm here. Yeah, I'll be on Fox Metal Scratch. Okay. That's okay, you can be on that. Okay, so just to be clear, Stephanie. Yes. Stephanie is going to be on Clover Metal Scratch with Laurel. Well, so there's a problem with that though. Laurel, your term limited from June. I know. So we need something else. Yeah. Okay, I will do one. I don't care which one. I will do one. Whatever it is, we just need it to be clear for Ansel's brain. Yeah. And also Laurel, if you're on this test course, you're going to have to leave halfway through the process and we'll have to get somebody else in. So we can do that. You can do that. Just as a resident, but I would say then I just need to think for a second. As long as the commission is okay with the fact that as a task force representative that Laurel will be voting and such on behalf of the commission as commissioner for the first six months, but that there could be meetings or something that happened subsequently. And in that situation, part of the public place that was formally only had former resident in because we can't really do through. Do you know what I'm saying? Well, can we put, I can't just put someone new in and Laurel? Nope. Once we get this process, this process is going to be out of the gate. And once we get the selection panel put in place, then that's that's what it is. I know, but I think what she's saying is we're going to have new commissioners in January, they were going to put one of those on. We also have the bridge coming that will be coming up and we also have 2024 projects. We've got plenty of stuff to do. It's not to say we don't have any stuff. I think what we're talking about here is that just so everyone's clear that not that it would make a difference, but that informal representation on the commission, you would start with Laurel and come June. You know, you can still come to the meetings here and all of the bits and pieces, but just so the commissioners that the commissioner would only be one representative on that room. Does that make sense? It does. I know. And I'm not raising my hand because I think I'm down to June or two, or my second. I think you have until June or 2025. I think you do too, I guess. So you have Cindy, you and Cindy and we just looked the same. The only person who is term limited term limited this year is Laurel and then two of you, Stephanie and Iris will be done with your first term and you will have to reapply come June to start your second term. But I can't do it. How many terms do I have to? Yep, you're up. You have to sit for a year before you reapply. So I am just saying this because this is the way that the policy is written. In practice, it's not going to make any difference. Laurel is serving on the selection panel and is coming to the selection panel meetings and then her term is up and she keeps coming to the selection panel meetings and you know, is voting as a resident in practice. It's going to make zero, zero difference as long as the commission is aware. Does that make sense? Yeah. Okay. And then what I have here, according to the minutes, according to the minutes then yes, but that can't be the case. So it will be, now it's Pamela and Nettie as Fox Meadows and it is Stephanie and Laurel as Clover Meadows. She will be renaming these parks soon, so it doesn't get too attached to anything. And then Stephanie and Laurel will be serving as Clover Meadows. And again, don't get too comfortable in not having a subcommittee or task force because there's a lot of projects going on. Yeah. Everybody's going to have an opportunity. So when do you anticipate that these two parks are going, that these task force are going to have to meet the first time for these two parks? By very soon, do you mean? I mean, I'm going to be sending a note out to the task force asking them the did commonalities in their schedules so we can get them. All right. And are we going to get to meet with the arts people in like, yes, they'll probably come here. But like this design right there is May of 2019. So there's been a lot of and as task force members, you're going to have to make decisions working with them of where the heart is going to be. Okay. What it's going to be in words. Yeah, dish. Okay. Any questions? That's a clear slide. Anybody want to change? Okay. See, seven C traffic boxes. So I'm on that task force and we're the group, the task force is going to meet in late November sometime like a week after Thanksgiving. Well, I was on that UI. Okay. I still am. We just need the three of us can sit here after perfect. All right. But first, we're going to do three boxes first and pick pictures and get them wrapped and hopefully in December, it's going to go really fast. And then we're going to look for another 20, 25 next year. I have, I did identify one. So it's not a big scary box for me anymore. I did identify one. I know where it is, but it was on 119. So that's so good. But I found, but I don't know what they are now. Yeah. So that was really good. I think we should have a pumpkin pie days picture. A pumpkin pie days picture. Yeah. There's a lot of those. Oh, I have one. Yeah, I have one of my own. But yeah, I have a table of pumpkin pies. It's just so iconic. Yeah. It's going to be a lot of fun. And if you follow us on Instagram, you will have rings that you see and bars and excellent choices of some of those historic bows. Yeah. They're so funny. It's so fun to just make them like a search word. I like to do in Turkey. And I'm just like, well, maybe not the most perfect thing. I don't mean Turkey, but but how did you say that you love the girl that was roll over? Nice to see Ellen. Yeah, she's like, you're in hot pants and like her. That's the one I saw. Yeah. Like, I don't know, there's other dirty hair. No, it was just odd. I guess it was two more outside. So she was like, I don't know my hot pants. And there was a comment in like the section, like her dad disapproved and I was like, no, she's living her life. And then of course, Reck loved it so much. And on our Facebook page that they just basically like a face. They're like, and we're going to be opening and then they just shared our post. So pretty awesome job, Lara. Okay. So in general, so not a whole lot different from last time we spoke about Chakra, we're still waiting up you are to finish, but the boxes that haven't finished are now. So that's kind of like a little update. They only have 15 more minutes with an inch. So we're trying not to be too much to mommage to them because they're adults and they sign my contract. See how many are left. Well, so Sage is out. You weren't there for that, but Sage's box was pre-coated prematurely. Yes, they tried to repaint it, but the paint just came off. So they have to completely sandblasted. So Sage will redo their box by spraying the last year. And then Gilly's box, who never is pre-coated, it got hit with her painting. So she has to repot it, the Mario box, Lindsey Land, that one's still in process. And then second on the Tulto, she did the cows and the aliens. She's really close to me. I've been following her on Instagram. So hopefully she'll let me have this weekend that she's done. Oh yeah, it was the right. Yeah. And so we're plowing along just fine. Plowing along. So yeah, we'll be next again. So as we were talking about before, I've been through some media. We just got our Instagram account, not even a month ago. It'll be like two days to the month we have the Instagram account. I've been trying to feature pieces in the collection, interesting photos that I think will get a lot of traction. I can see that I shared one of the photos from the historical archives as like a downtown photo, and Boyz-a-Long Mommy shared it, and it got like a ton of comments, which was great. One of the things that I would love to do is I'd love to feature some of you on Instagram so that we can actually, you know, show what we do and what kind of people are behind the driving force of art in public places, just to get some interested, you know, one-hour collection deals. Yeah. So next to the bear that's in the box. I'm going to send out just an email just to ask for either like questions about what your favorite artwork is, what your favorite kind of thing on the commission is, maybe a photo of you with a piece of art or like a piece of art that you like. Or I can just pull up like a ceramic thing in front of my face. You could do whatever. Just something fun that would engage people in interacting with us, right, via social media. And if you have any ideas about social media posts, let me know, because I'm really open. We're still trying to figure out like what gets the best kind of attention while still being within the umbrella of City of Lama, because they're pretty strict about what we can and can't post. It's like the historic photos are a big bit all over the place. Yeah, I can't believe that. Oh, the museum has a lot more than one. You could do like a then and now picture of the same spot. Great minds, great minds. Yeah, it's like, you know, looking back at time, even at the same spot. Yeah. But also, you could be like, wait, today's photo will open as far as history. And then you could have, you know, today's photo. And then it doesn't necessarily need to be the same spot, but a piece of artwork or something. And then it could be, you know, as far as today's history, right? And then you show something from some particular decade. Well, again, where you could do something that's like, you know, what were you doing in the 70s? You know, what were you doing in whatever year? Yeah. And I think I remember a lot about what is the cruising capital of Northern Colorado. Artist spotlights, you know, like about the collection. Yeah. Yeah, which I have been doing. And if you have a favorite that you want me to feature and let me know, I've been making my favorite. Have you done a robot? Have you done a robot? He's not a part of our collection, but I did do one of them, because everyone loves him so much. I know that's what I was saying, because everybody loves him. You know, he's kind of like a bear. Everybody loves a bear, and everybody loves to do a robot. Yeah. He's always got a great expression on the stage. One that you wouldn't expect a robot. Yeah. He's a happy robot. He's a very unrevised robot. Yeah, he's a contended happy robot. You know, you could do the art on the move pieces that have come from our collection. Yeah, you know what's funny is, both of them, I don't have a whole lot of information about. So I've been like, I've been going through our archives, trying to get the collection kind of together, and I've been learning more and more about things that we didn't even know about because it just was lost. But the Dancing Moon, I can't find anything about it in our movement. It's so weird. But even though I know it's been documented, we had it. So, I mean, all the great ideas that I find it, but great. I love it. Thank you. So moving on to maintenance. Highly maintenance. We talked about this a little bit last month, but the painting was done, and now it's a sealant. Sealant is on. Oh, good. Yeah. So really, we just, as expected, and as we, as we do, we are testing these materials. We're going to see how it behaves. We're going to watch it very carefully over the wintertime. I also spoke to the Parks Department, which recently painted some more concrete that they haven't seen in stone. They do it about every two years, and they know this. So, you know, I just don't want the expectations to be anything different than what it is, but it is sealed. So we will make sure we revisit the maintenance assignments once we'll move. We'll let people get on board for the first meeting, and then get them to sign up. But that's going to be a big one. So, yeah, so it's a done deal, and the artist, of course, is thrilled to the moon. If you follow Jason Lomar on Instagram, he's been using it a lot. Okay, but I'm sorry to say, the knife had helped my girl. So, as we all knew what happened, a knife and a knife had been getting hit. It's our lacrosse golem, you know, that we hate. Laura and I ourselves went out. Good portion of the morning scrubbing on it. We are working with our graffiti partners in making sure that we just identify as soon as possible. It's still leaving a little bit of a ghost image, I would say, but we're working on it. So, because of the weather, you know, we just have to treat the graffiti sealant. We have to clean it up on the springtime. We'll look at how it's holding up again, and if we need to, you know, put on more graffiti sealant or address certain areas, we'll do that. But aside from that, I would, I spoke to our IT department, and our camera is on motions right now. What we also, I would like to have it on all the time, which just changes the retention of that imagery. I've been calling the police department every two weeks. I've put in a new request for added controls. That's continuous, but I would really like to add another camera to the other side of the box corridor. So, I'm here today to ask for a motion camera. Should we make a motion? Yes. I move that we add another camera to the box culvert to capture anybody that is performing terrible things. Excellent. Yeah, and just as a clarification, this will be a one-time expense for installation and purchase of camera, and it is ongoing operating expenses. The camera that I have presently, I think is about $40 a month. So, you just, I mean, it's not, it's not a massive expense, but it is an expense. So, just know that if you pass this motion, it will be an ongoing expense, not a long time. Did we have to buy the camera? No, that's a good question. I think yes. And also, IT is kind of going about a whole new revamping of the camera system, because right now I think we have more than one, I think, and I think they're trying to consolidate. But once we're in their system, then we're just kind of adopted it. Okay. So, this motion is for the purchase of a new camera necessary for installation and operation. Yeah, I second. No, I was going to, I did want to make another comment, but you can finish the one first. Okay. So, Stephanie first, me second, all in favor. So, the comment is, what can we assign on either end of the tunnel? That says, you know, this is your public art, something about, like, you're definitely having, you know, thousands of hours of volunteer, hours of all the work, right? We're invested to create this art to bring it to you. So, please, please take care of it. By the way, smile when you're on camera. So, the smile when you're on camera is there, that sign is already there. And it's a good point. Once upon a time, along the way, the graffiti specialist who was part of the city when it was first getting hit was really, really involved in gang activity with children, new families, all those kinds of things. And before we signed the contract with the artist when we were originally deciding whether or not to do this project and all of the artwork and all the dollar and all those things, we asked him that very question. Like, how impactful would a message, like a B in essence, be? And he said, not. He said, you are going to public bear. So, it was his professional opinion not to do such a thing. That said, this person is no longer with the city. It was his and his alone professional recommendation. We could ask our police officer friends. We could ask our children, youth and families what their opinion would be. But I do think if we make that decision in a silo in this room, in this room alone, that doesn't vary. So, if your direction is to start investigating that conversation and if that's something we should do, then I'm happy to take a run of that. But I think just to do it. I feel like just like the child's mind though, feeling that I can totally see where they were going with that comment is like, just thinking about any kid over the age of 18 who say, no, I'm going to do it. Like I feel like that. I love the idea. I wish we could have those words. But I feel like those are doing the tagging. They aren't going to read it and they don't care. I think it's that the people who are tagging are not like tweets. Well, it is they are. And that means they carry this less and that right. Like, if they are even older, then they really don't care. Like, and that's how I mean, with my own personal experiences, like I feel that like those people just don't care. They don't. Their mind is completely elsewhere. They don't care how much time is going to be invested or how much money is going to spend. They're just going to do what they want. It's kind of shocking to me that there's no like, just people who tag and some of those are artists. They're not alone, right? No, some of them might just be. That's just where it goes. There are no questions. If it's not communities, it is. Absolutely. But I think that also too, it becomes a challenge of what you can do the way you do it. I think, I think we should ask Angela to at least ask ground police officers and just say, do you think this is a good idea or not? And we have to do it by Lin-Boy. Yeah, you know, yeah, but I'm a sign and everything in it. But yeah, if other people might come back and say, no, you don't want to do that. They might say, yeah, that might work. A sign just presents another surface to get tagged. You know, it's just something else to see. And it's like, why is the surface that most people don't have? But I think it's worth a couple of questions. Plus, you send that message out. I think it's nice language, all that. I mean, in that message, it could be one of many, right? Do you want to learn more about this artist? Here's a QR code. And that's what we're trying to do, certainly with some of the tour stuff, like maybe it ends up being more educational, rather than wagging the finger at somebody. I don't know. We're not there yet with this piece of artwork, but maybe we start getting there. I don't know. But I'm happy to ask the police officers, and I think children, you can families, I think that would be because the youth center is so close to the size. Yeah, it is. Whomever is doing this, someone in that building, probably. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Many guests. Thank you. Thank you. So I so the directive is to ask children, youth and families, director, and staff, as well as our friends in safety, some opinions. Yeah. I will do something. Is there any kind of sign we can put up that? Hey, you got it? We'll do. Okay, new business. Now tell me your own. So we all know about the boutique hotel that's going in at the parking lot, right? And there's going to be a parking garage. The LDDA, the Longmont Downtown District Authority, has asked us to consider putting a mural up on that parking garage when it eventually gets built. They have offered up to $150,000. Oh, that's cool. They're just going to put in our account. And now keep in mind that the spoke mural cost us $660,000, and that's well worth it. It is. Okay. So we're probably going to use all that, but it's all inclusive. That includes the priming, I guess, and the painting and the sealing and everything that would all be up to us. Okay. Okay, from that point. So I need... Is there any questions? Are there any questions? I accept the money. That's pretty much what you have to answer. I have heard 2025. So I should say that this entire conversation is very much in its infancy, and that I attended the LDDA meeting last month, where their board had the conversation about having desiring to embark on a public art project with our public places. The garage will be this belong to the city. And so a mural on the garage would be a public art project. Okay. And so then the LDDA board formally approved asking you if they can donate up to $150,000, and we will develop the projects together. But the process has to go through the public art process. Sure. So it's coming from the LDDA? Yes. Up to the entire $100,000 to $200,000 would be deposited to our public services. And part of it would be like, I mean, remember when the step was in its infancy and, you know, the developer was like, we want all these screens and you guys can help it. And then that went away. Yeah. You think this is more secure? It will be extremely, it will be very visible. It would, I'm going to say it will likely be three seconds. It will likely face the alley. It will likely face north. And it will also face the Civic Center. And as I understand, the hotel is on the corner of the garage is adjacent to the north. So I don't have any renderings. I don't have any square footage. But will there be people who are invested in stakeholders with interest? Yes. Will they come and sit around the table and attend the meetings and have opinions? Yes. And so is this the parking lot right behind the Diggins? That's what I thought. The hotel is directly behind Diggins. And then the garage is adjacent to the door. So the whole king's wiggle is going to be there. And the reason this is coming up now is that the LPDA wants to budget it for next, you know, budget them. Right. And it would be nice if we knew that was going to be there for our budgeting of this project when it comes up to. Sure. It would be really cool if we. So we need a motion. I wanted to say, so you said you probably wouldn't use that entire amount for mural. So it would be nice to be able to explore like what sorts of maybe like public seating could be provided. This is 100% up to $150,000 to be used on a mural on that garage. We're talking three sides to that's going to be great. See, especially if it's two years out and we are being able to one side and you get 60K in your year. So yeah, so with that being said, that's that person. How many floors? I don't know. I don't know. So we have to wait until we get much closer when the architects have an idea of what it's going to look like before we can make any firm plans or without a call or anything. But we just need a motion and we're willing to accept under $50,000 for use in this project specifically. My assumption that we accept $150,000 from the LVDA to up to, okay, sorry, it's about to $150,000 from the LVDA to put a mural on the O.T. Cotel. No, City Garage. Well, I will second that. Great. Perfect. All in favor? Okay. Thank you. And as it comes, and I should say as it comes about, which it will, the details will come about in 2024. Then we'll sign task orders. We'll put the timeline with it and all of it. So yeah, so I didn't quite get to finish my part. No, sure. So just really would like to finish it. Yeah. So, you know, we were talking earlier about I don't know the sustainability measure to make sure that there's shade and people were taking buses and things like that. So our construction should be service by color transportation, obviously, or bicycles, which are like that. So I was really trying to say. Yeah. You know, they could have some sort of canopy that's included in the art. They don't have to put it, we can fund it through our budget, right? Why not? And add something to that place that accommodates that need for sustainability and shade. Because I think if you look at like the scope garage, right, it's like baking over there. Yeah. Right. Well, they have said they're they're the city is planning to make that what is that road? I don't know. Yeah, big bus room. All buses are going to go down. So we should plan for something like that. It's a city. So the city, the city, the city, the people in charge of the city infrastructure are going to say whether or not they're going to have seating areas or stuff like that. We can't do anything. We can't even imagine anything until we get some kind of approved plants because the city's got to approve it too. Yeah. So it's like a compliment. Yeah. We don't want to just come into the back and say, yes, we'll be happy to accept that money. You know, we owe by the way. We think it would be a good idea to consider making an artistic shelter. So too. I think it's important than the reason that I just wanted it to be very clear that these dollars are specific to the one thing. Got it. So that can be one conversation. Yes. What we can't say is and insert rest. We can say 150,000 for Meryl's thumbs up. We'd like to also discuss the possibility of totally fine with those two things. Very another thing that I will note, and I wish I had more information about this. They don't is the way in which I don't understand enough about it, but the way in which this is being developed, the way in which the answer happens while we own that building, we're not building that building. So I'm happy to investigate the possibility of it and when to some of these point when we get more artist renderings and things along those lines, starting that conversation separately. Yeah. But the mural conversation for specifically related to 2024 budget for LTDA and for us that the $150,000 project that you just embarked on is singular. Does that make sense? With no caveat. Yeah, that's great. You understand. But yeah, 100% to consider an adding a shading project to the garage and then in another breath, the sustainability bus shelter and heat mapping, all of that, the heat map just came out. And also last week, which should terrify us all, there was a massive climate report that came out and said that the United States is heating up 60% faster and they are awesome world. So I think we're looking at where people are traveling and making sure that we're providing spaces that we're free for people during extreme heat, especially those that don't have car transportation. And you know, but that's a really valid point. It doesn't mean it needs to be you know, the four of them. Yeah. Okay, good point. I've added that to my notes. And if for some reason we get down that road of talking about the hotel garage, if it slips, just bring it up again. But I'll make it a, I'll make it another. Awesome. Thank you. Okay, nine B, the bandwrap. We have a band. Our band came in. Yes. Take a picture. Ready? Well, I wish I had a picture. But don't worry, folks. It looks kind of like... So we have our own band, right? And actually, it's not even that one. Ours is even a little bit longer. It's longer, and it's, but it is that tall. Like the right, unnormally sized to you, average size human, it's totally wrong. Does it have windows? No. Very purposefully. Not for moving people. It's a thing moving band. Yes. And it's that fleet. And it's ours. Well, that's so cool. Well, it's not all, it's ours and the museum's. Well, but it's a step. I mean, that's a step up. Come on. Okay. So we need two things here. Yeah. We need one for a wrap on it that is art and maybe local artists. And we need a task force of two to be willing to curate that and choose an artist. I am already on a task force, so I don't know. Yeah, I'm on a task force, too. Hold on a minute. So it would be, so it would certainly be a task force to launch the call for artists, but I think because the project is so small, that the task force wouldn't pick the artwork that the commission will choose. Right, right. Right. I guess like, like, are on the move. Sure, sure. Yeah. So the task force will help get it going, help write the social, get out all of those kinds of things, but wouldn't be choosing art would just be, yeah. So that we would all look at the things that got submitted and we would pick ones. The other thing we need to do is approve funds for this. And seriously, it's a big thing, but it's not the wall of a working pot. We're thinking $4,000 at the most. Okay. For now, I think it's a good thing. Yeah, maybe, maybe less. I think we raise that number. Our statement, our statement, I can't remember which one we picked. The expression, what is it, like, what did we choose? I'm sorry, for what? For out of the book. Oh, the creativity takes first. Yeah, the on-raise. Yeah, I think we're going to have it on there. That's possible. So one thing I should say, is we have stakeholders, right? And they include the city's communications department and the museum. And so, and also this, the art public places code has written such that public art does not equal signage, which is good thing, right? So, we will be working with other, like, when we're doing the selection panel, like Art on the Move, there will be other people involved. And it's very important always to note that it will go through an internal review, and possibly even through summary design before we land on a vinyl. I mean, it's pretty barely a given. So, while we have our ideas of what we think it should be, or what it could be, or this, that, and the other thing, we also have to be super realistic about all of that, especially when we're doing this. So, yeah, like starting off with creativity takes courage, or if that's our theme for this, and it needs to be evocative of that, or say, could say that as a, you know, and we might get that retracted. But if the selection panel is the whole commission, we're going to have a really, really good sign. Okay. So, yes. Aside from the signage on it, the wrap on it, the intention of the van, will we be doing any, I was thinking of maybe we could get one of those co-op offerings that you, again, so that we can use it as part of an event. There would be a shake right away with it. We have to try it. Sure. Would that be possible, or so that much? The budget for the truck is done. So, there will be a bulkhead install, which means the wall that has a little door to the cargo area is, but also if the exhibits department is moving a large crate and it slams into the driver, the driver will be your friend. That's being added, a flooring, a non-skid flooring is being added, and they were also investigating some sort of like temperature control situation. So, if we had a moving arc, and also if we were using it for like an event or something like that, but it would be, it wouldn't get too bloody hot in there, that is the extent of the budget at this time. I don't think that the intention of this vehicle is to be like NBC, the LPC vehicle, it's amazing. It was that day of the death. Jennifer, remember the LPC vehicle, the day of the death? It was just to the, it was just to the south of the yarn shop. Anyway, they have, because they're LPC, and they want to show how fast the next light is, and it's not LPC, it's next light. They have a screen mounted on the outside of this and it's awning, and so you can like play video games to like see how fast the next light is. Like the functionality and the way that they're using that van versus how we're using it is a little bit different, but it's going to be so great that we'll be able to put our tents in there and pull it up pretty good. So it's awning is probably, no, good idea, I think awning is probably a sale, but I can't see it in five years. We'll say, you know what, this would be great, if we could have one. And we'll take the rap off and do a new rap with it. Or maybe next light we'll want to get a newer bed. We can get there, and we can re-rap it, and we'll have digital art, and maybe we can get it out of the way. And no, but like if we want to do ice cream out of the back of the boat, like for our outreach events, like that's what it's definitely going to work out. Great. So Sid, you need a motion, right? Yes, I need a motion to approve for funds from 2024. Okay, we're up to 4,000 dollars for funds from 2024. It's not, it's not. Seriously, you need to hear everyone else. No, I really can't. I'm trying to read those. Okay, do you have it? Okay. I move that we approve from the 2024 budget up to 4,000 dollars to wrap the bank. Any seconds? Any seconds. Ever. I think, oh, Susan. Okay. All in favor? So then task force. Melanie, you said you're on the task force, and now I'm not recalling which one you are on. The bridge. You're on the bridge. This is pretty little projects, so probably anybody else who's on, I would say of those three projects, probably should sit on this one, anybody else? Okay. I can do it too. I know how many task force right now. I don't think I'm on the task force. You're not. Okay, Susan and Jennifer. Okay, yeah. Okay, cool. Okay. We will get together soon. Okay, and new office. Here we have a new office. Yay. I went and saw the draft is completed now. Nearly. So we hope that the new office is going to be available for our holiday shindig on December the 14th. So believe you're coming. And if not, if not, then we'll have it down here in one of these rooms and it will still be fantastic and lovely and we'll still go take a look at it. So that'll be fun. And also, as a piece of protocol, if you're ever arriving for a meeting, because we're going to have some meetings facing there too. So meetings might be in the conference room. They might be in the new office anyway. So when you come to the museum to catch up with Laura or Laura or anything, just stop at the front desk of course and let them know you're here. And then they might say, oh, you're in this room or oh, you're in the new office. We may have a doorbell. So does everybody know where the new office couple look at it? But to the next to the room is the door that's going to go back to the new office. So we may have an inner problem and a doorbell there. So needless to say, the whole, the only thing that's going to change is like, so after you check in with the front desk, if the front desk says, you know, if I were in the regular conference room, they'll call me and I'll meet you. And if we're in the new office, there may be a doorbell. That's going to be very cool. Laura's getting out of the desk officially. Okay. And you guys have windows. She has some walls. Angela's taken. Okay. And in case there was any question, I brought a sample of a vase. Okay. That's, is that the size that you want? Yeah, it's like a medium, not too big, not too small, not too thin of a neck. Something that is like. Right. Because I have a lot of real weird neck. I have no weird neck. I knew I didn't want that. I wanted to learn how to do the right thing the right way. So on the 14th, when you need to bring your own vase, something like that. And if you need a vase, just let me know. Also, I think I can email you because you unsubscribed to paperless post. Are you planning on being there? I don't subscribe. That's what it tells me. Maybe it might not have been AIPP to send something. It might have been somebody else. Yeah, not necessarily for me, but like the whole like enterprise of paperless post. And then I think Jennifer's going to be here at this location. Okay. 16. 16. Yeah. All right. That's 14. Yeah. 14. Yeah. One month lights. Now who judged the one month lights break last year? I did. Jennifer, yeah. Well, it's okay. So, okay. I used to judge again this year. I have a lot to say about it. Okay. Do, it's that weekend. We'll let, maybe we talk about it first that might answer a lot of your questions. Right. And then we'll fill in the blanks. Oh, my God. Does that sound like good? Yeah. Okay. So, one month lights is done by our friends in rec. And there is a certain window that they have the streets streets available for the floats to park to get set up to then get lined up. And then to do the parade and to shut down the parade. So I was like, okay, so there they have a very specific block of time. The things need to happen. Secondly, their requirement that we have to have judged before the floats go out into the parade. And so, okay, there's that. And this year, they absolutely want us to make sure that we get the wreaths to the people and award them before they start. I did. And I said, okay, but we would like to see the floats when they're on and when they're set up. And like how how is it that we can like work together and make that happen. So we're going to talk about it. We're still working on it. We have some ideas about like maybe doing the judging in groups, like one group is responsible for one aspect of it. One group is responsible for another aspect of it. One group is responsible for another. We reconvene. We make sure we don't have duplicates. And then we go out and pass them out. But to before we can before the recreation department pulls in, I can get together and hash out exactly how it's going to go down. I just need to know who is the team. But you'll have but we're going to start earlier this year. So I think that everybody needs to be at the Memorial Center by 3.30 no later. And that's on the night of December. So I mean, again, it's an honor. It's lovely to have access. It is not going to be perfect. And we're going to win a little and they're going to win a little and we're going to give a little. It's still going to be like this. There's no way. Yep. There were nobody, the people who weren't entered were like scattered, right? Yeah. And so we had to go and be like, are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you my mother? Are you my mother? Yeah. So it really took us so long to walk from one candidate to another. Yes. And around that whole area, right? So if they could organize the people by the ones who entered the contest and once you have them back behind that, yeah, that would be better. Would be ideal. We could get it judged much faster and get them released to the Memorial Library. Sure. That would be ideal. Yep. And yes, we know this will be like in person. Yeah. It's like, but they should still turn on the lights. But yeah, they would do. They set their vehicle up at least the night before and wouldn't start. Then what? That way. Right? Like they're closing down. Oh, okay. We'll do that. Well, wait, wait, wait. You do not let me finish my sentence. Okay. It's frustrating. Okay. So here's what I was going to say. Is they, at their own home, at their own leisure, if they want to show us a picture of what it looks like when it's lit up in the dark, they couldn't have that in the day. Okay. If they wouldn't want us to see that. Because it was very hard to see what some people look like. If they're in white string lights on a white bottle, you can't tell. I think that's brilliant. It is. And what I was going to say, and I did interrupt and apologize, is the applications for these have already gone in. So that is the feedback for next year. A brilliant idea of a feedback for next year. So again, we're a little bit, the horse is still a little bit out of the game. And the person who is running it, we definitely learned some lessons last year. Some of the things I thought that she would be able to give a little bit more concession on. She's not, she's not available to give more concessions on. So okay. So I think like third time is going to be the charm. So the floats in the same area to be judged would be helpful. That might be possible. I don't know how that works. But for future, they submit with a phone to be judged, to help with the judging. It could be just the day before. Yeah. I don't expect them to do it like when they're flying to the end of the year. You have to have it done by the day before. Right. They can work it with them, with their float. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's cool. Or yeah, like we have it digitally and like there they are to hold it up or something like that. What I don't understand is like the requirements of her application. And I think that she was as much exasperated as like, well, why can't you just as I was. So I was like, why can't we see him at night? I don't, I want to just get to read some things at the end. Yeah. Like you judge them as we're going into the break. Like I get that the Rose Bowl does it in the way of they get judged before they're going into the break. But it's like ours. And those are roses. And they're roses. It's not mine. I know. It was my kill to die on. I was led. And again, I was not being, I was not listening to what she was saying. So I would now listen, cement photo, like a good, good feedback. Laurel, did you have additional? Exactly what you said. Yeah. Right. It was my feeling. I was exhausted. Yes. Walking up that block. Yeah. And looking at some things that were not in the brain. And some things that were, you know, it was great. I heard we made it to the last float. Yeah. And they looked entirely different to live. Totally different. Totally. I think that my thought was, my thought was, why can't we be up on the bandstand that they're coming past? And, you know, and judging as they're coming by and making a little thing, it happened to them. But see, that's, that's exactly, you know, what Stephanie was saying is, you know, like there were dance groups, but they weren't there. Yeah. I mean, like people walk by these tracks and I would go, okay, fine. And so, and then, you know, when they started the parade, then all of a sudden there's all these plod dancers and stuff on the track. Oh, that's what you do, because, and they, but you don't see anything. Yeah. So they know what I was thinking, too. And I think I'm going to bring my tricycle and I'm going to hook on the back of that parade, and I'm going to go down the street just like it with lights, I'll decorate the thing. And, and maybe I'll say AIPP or something. But we could always sign up for, you know, be careful, but we don't have a band. We have a band. We have a band. That's right. That's true. That's true. We just get rid of all this judging stuff and just end ourselves. We have to make some art and stick it on there. LPC and Jennifer has a question. Next slide is going to ruin the day and mess with our views. Okay. Jennifer's been waiting on. Thank you all. Okay. So the other thing is that because they gave us this, this just this evaluation form that was completely, completely useless. And it all, there were some of the things were on there. Some of them, some of them looked a little bit lighter, but they were all out of order. We couldn't tell what was what. It was anyway. And of course, I've no way to really comment about the head moving forward. I ended up with this smashed piece of paper with all these little scratches on it that I could not use at all. Correct. So the evaluation form, I would really ask that being better, but that being more useful. So we're just going to have to realize no matter what, we're not going to be able to change the rules. Like whatever they decide that the rules are and the way we have to go with it, we're just going to have, we're going to have to work together to make that. But I think if we come at 330 and we try to divide and conquer and make the best of the situation as it finally lands, I think we'll be in good shape. But it's very clear, like the things that I think we all agree on here, like it's long, long lights parade. Well, and the other thing is when I handed the wreath to the guy, he said, so we got for best, we got for best lights, right? And I went, no, you got the best ethnic thing in there. This one. What's the ethnic thing? I can't remember what the shirt was. It was the ethnic something. Cultural. Thank you very much. Okay, I couldn't remember what the name was. No, he got this and I did use the right title. Okay, sure. It was back then. I said, no, you got this cultural thing anyway. And I said, if you could hang it outside your window, you went, yeah, okay, whatever. And if you could just tell, I was like, he was like, totally the whole everybody in the truck was like totally bummed out. And I just felt, I just felt like I should just go away. Well, this year, maybe the one thing that we can do, maybe the one thing that we can do is like, if we know which ones are getting what, like we can stand and put them on, maybe when they're like, fifth or sixth down the line to get going and hand them the wreath and help them put it on, and hand them the envelope with goodies, because that might make you a little more excited. Like, we didn't hand out the goodies, they did that backwards. Okay, I was like, they did fine. Yeah, they got like gift birds and stuff. I've left, you know, everybody was, oh, yeah, I was walking around in three or four hours. Yeah, running around. I was too cold, but so we didn't stay for the parade. Yeah. And did they, didn't they have an announcer that announced the awards when they were going back? That I know. I think they do it. Do they do it at the very end? I don't know. And so see, here we are, right? Like, we've been asked very nicely to be the judges, and it's there, like, we can have all the comments in the world. And I think that maybe that was where a little bit of frustration was on the other side, is if I was like that, well, what about this? What about this? What about this? And it was very clear, Angela, stay in your room. So we're going to, and we have suggestions, and we'll try and find like the middle road, and we will judge the best we can, and as equitably as possible, and all of those things. And, you know, we don't have to do this every year. It was nice. And also, one more thing, it used to be a sponsor. And they kind of add to their way of doing it, you know, the way of their judging. And so now that it's in our hands, like, I think there's maybe this opportunity agreement in the will, and this was never brex problem. They never had to deal with this. So, okay, I have lots of things to consider. I will definitely ask as many questions as I can. And can I get a show of hands just one more time? Who might be able to participate? I see you, Nettie, that you are interested. What was the date? Saturday, December 5th, 9th. The judging, I recall was supposed to be like done by 3rd 30th. We're definitely meeting, at this point in time, I didn't say 3rd 30th, but maybe even a little earlier than that. But the road closures and stuff. Okay, raise your hand, who's in? Awesome. Well, I think we can stage out of the memorial building. Like, all our stuff can be in there. So, if you need to bring layers or whatever. And if you want to bring friends and family, do it. Yeah, right. So, many people's possible one. Pamela, Stephanie, yep, Jenna, Kirk, Nettie. Yeah, we lost her few bits. And I don't know why I still got Nettie, and I've got her back. Okay. Oh, we're trying to get you back. Oh, I'm not. Are you still on tune? I'm on Laura's computer. Do you still see everybody? No. Yes, I see you all, and I can hear you all. It's just the projector, the eye or something. Okay, great. So, it's the safety and justice. Oh, I can't. She sends out the applications, and they send them back. At some point, she has to have no more interaction that she couldn't say. Bring a picture with you of the lights on. That's presuming that people are actually done. Like, I mean, I think that there's... Yeah, that's true. There's all kinds of... Okay, next. Safety and justice building. As we know, there's going to be construction there. They're going to read it. We have a giant mural hanging up there of how we live and what we live for. It's not a mural. It's a mosaic. Okay. That's going to come down, and it's going to come down in a million pieces. There's not going to be any way we can put it back together. There's not going to be any way we can reuse those pieces for anything else. It's going to be basically destroyed when they get around to taking it down. So, we need... We can put this off if we want to, because that's not going to be till spring or sometime. So, we need to decide if we want to just deaccession it. Well, we have a choice. Sounds like it's got to be the only choice. We can discuss it. I just don't see that there's anything... There's no possible way to say that there's anything else to be, and they're not going to care when they take it down. I move that we deacquission how we live or what we live for at the Safety and Justice Building due to its removal. I'll switch it to that. Okay. All in favor? Did I cover that all right? I mean, I think maybe I should just, maybe before we second in the vote, just as a clarification for extension. We do, of course, have the relocation and deaccession policy, you know, and again, going... There are the reasons for relocation and deaccession, and so at this point in time, if we're putting it on here, it's just to let you know that this is coming and that we would be going through the relocation and deaccession process one way or the other that would be happening. So the question today, again, however you want to do it, but it's all about it. So there it is. So can we just, we vote to deaccession? Absolutely. I have a motion from Pam and a second from Warren. Is there any discussion? Does anybody have any questions about this at all? Okay. Vote. All in favor? All in favor of deaccession for this piece. Hi. Let's see. Iris and just... Iris or my vote on, yes. Yep. I see you. Vote on. All opposed? All abstaining? I'm not abstaining actually, because I want to know what it looks like. I have no idea what I'm saying. Yes, I want to. I'm the only one abstaining anyway. Oh, you are too. Okay. Yeah. So I just want to see what it is before I say yes, ma'am. It's, you know what I'm saying? You just, it's on the outside and it goes up by the clock and down, but it's very big. And it's a couple of kids, I want to say. Yeah. My first favorite is a couple of kids in a field, but I'm not sure. So they think they're either just demolishing that part of the home? Yes, that is correct. It's lots of little tiles and there's just... So they're demolishing They're just going to demolish it. How old is that piece? 30 years old. Yeah, we've had it for about 30 years. So I think that because of clarifications and two abstentions, again, I think that it's a good movement just to make sure that everybody understands what you're voting for or against you first. So hold on just a second and let me top up the... Where are you? I'm just going to pop it. And we'll walk around. The other option we have is we can delay the absolute vote until next month, until January? We can... So the other option is to take, is to table. According to the real patient deaccession policy procedure, what you can do is... And then again, this line item is here to let you know it is coming. The policy procedure reads that if a task force would be convened to assess and make a recommendation based upon all the evidence of what it is, how it's coming down, what information we have, and the staff recommendation, which is to deaccession this object because the savior of it is nearly impossible. And relocating is not possible, there's nowhere for it to go. And to review all of that documentation and bring it back to the commission. So the two choices is that you can, based upon what you know, deaccession it tonight, or you can convene a task force to make a recommendation in January. One of those two ways is going to go. The fact of how it is coming down and the methodology that it's coming down, all of that, like facts and facts and facts. But I apologize. I apologize for jumping the gun down. But let me show you what it is. Just so we're all clear. So when you're going into this mode, you know, and I think that the intention initially again... Who knows what? We probably weren't the whole out, right? It's one of the earlier pieces in the collusion. The artist... Oh yeah, here's me up on top of the people mover. I'll just pass this around. Okay. So in 2001, when they were initially talking about the removal of it, and they were looking at the integrity of the building, they had a person lift and I actually went up onto it and did an assessment of the work. I mean, 2021? 2021. Okay. Also, I think it's very faded from that picture. So I just, of course, look at that. I'm really disengaged. So it's really sad to say that to my parents. I strongly encourage everybody to just pull there into the parking lot of the safety and justice and whatever. Okay. So it's like right across the library. Yeah, I mean, you can stand if you're... Now isn't this... You know, we can do it. My impression... Do you ever take an exam of it? Really? My impression of it is that it's very... Yes, it's not very... It's not very... It's a picture of a big bright blue sky and a high one. I don't remember that at all. Is it like circling? It's totally possible. So here's a really good image. See that? That's rust. And so part of the problem of the integrity of the building... No, the artwork is the very, very least of the... So the entire clock tower is coming down, including the clock. It will not be replaced. It will not be replaced. An entirely new building will be put into place. And the primary... The primary opportunity that the city is taking... And I would show you what they say on it. Anyway, it's... I can read it to you. Is that it's not terribly considering that the safety and justice building houses dispatch police and fire and the courts and courts. So fixing the substructure of the building versus taking down the problems, reinforcing what will be left and reconstruction will not only fix some of the safety issues to the safety and justice building, but it will also allow and enforce that every single person who goes through there has to go through metal detection and all of that, bringing it up to current day code and all of the things that we don't want to admit about the 21st century. So again, things that we don't know about the structure of our artwork. We don't know what it looks like from the bottom of it. And we know that the cost to demo the building and everything includes the demolition of this in the fashion in which they're demoing it. If we wanted to salvage or save or something along those lines, then our couple places would then have to insert themselves into the situation and find another way to do that. And I don't... I can tell you right now, I have some of the other projects that we have, like I have zero idea how that could possibly be an affordable. So that helps to see just the context. Okay, so now I have a procedure, but so hold on, hold on just a second. We have a majority motion. I know, I just, with two abstentions, while it's fine for you to abstain, when Danielle starts asking questions about I don't even know what we're talking about, it just doesn't feel responsible for me as an administrator of this program to allow a vote and a motion to go forward all the way through without everybody feeling like they have ample information considering we have a policy and procedure for this, right? Yeah. Which we're bypassing here. So a procedural question. Yes. Do we need to withdraw that motion in some way? No, I just think we should restate and re-vote. Okay, but do we want to table it? No, I mean, I don't think you are. Anybody want to go and do you want to go and look at it before you vote? I don't know. That rest on that, can I give that picture of what you mean right there is that rest is terrifying for me guys. I apologize again. I was just, it just seems so obvious to me and I let, I choked it up, so okay. So how we live and what we live for, are we going to recommend that we decommission this work? I recommend that we decommission how we live and what we live for and to say we can just vote. Okay, is there a second? I say. Okay, thank you. And are we all comfortable with voting at this time? All right, great. All in favor? Okay. Second, first, first. Yes, Jennifer is in, Iris, yes. Yes, Iris is voting yes. You can see them. I'll shake for you crying, Iris. I see you Iris. And one abstention. Not one abstention. So, no, I voted in favor. Okay, very good. Thank you. Mr. Pommits. Good job, Juan. Of course, I live on my car, but I went to, I don't know if it's hard to discuss, it could have been the IRG that I made in this year, but the QR codes for the Spoke Project, Nylon QR codes were one code, QR code to actually work this way. I used my husband's phone at my phone and I had a phone with the QR code for the imagery. And then the QR code that he's displayed for his personal work is a no longer active Instagram. Awesome. So, I knew it to that two days ago, so I just wanted to bring that up. Thank you. But it was a self-never, ever, ever neural QR code. Well, I'm just going to shock too that he pulled his own page down off of the, like that. He's totally restructured. Yeah, I know he's linked to other different pages, but that page is completely empty, and so it's a link to other pages now. I will reach out to him because that artwork is unbearable. Yeah, that's what I thought. So, I'm like, I haven't been long enough. So, I was just like, what do you see working? It did work, but when it did work, my hand, it was like, oh, it's glitching. I was taking the glitch, but it's not just saying that in the footprints, and it's not obvious that that's what those little footprints are about. Is there anything that we should put on the ground to help with that? Like, staying here for like a little camera? With that help? I think that might help. What if even, like, because those little footprints are vinyl, and so they'll only hold on to the concrete for so long? No. We painted, yeah. But when I stood on the footprints months ago, the artwork worked perfectly. If I took one step on, it was glitching. Oh, yeah, okay. Well, then that makes a huge difference. Don't move, don't move, stand up. You can only stand from this position. So, with a camera, I came on, painted, like, if it was feet and camera, are you still with that help? Right. With camera or cell phone? Cell phone. Like, cell phone sideways. With the camera. Without your camera? It's not going to work. Maybe with a camera, I couldn't expect a cell phone to agree. Yeah, yeah. It's not going to work with a camera anymore, right? It's not going to work with a camera even to me. It's like, it's taking a picture. All right, well, maybe we'll try that, but certainly investigate if you are. Got it. Thank you. You. Okay. Yeah, okay. Any other comments from anybody? More. If possible, I would like to add to January's agenda. The work that the clinician got from the firehouse, which was the altar, it's called the alternate piece by Rhea and Tejillo. It was the two big round pieces of the police interaction and death of the two Hispanic men. And I was talking to Angela about it and it's just in storage. I was on the original task force for that. We had all voted to buy it and right now it's in storage. We were waiting to see if we could put it in the library and then the whole library voted about the branches and then becoming a library district. I was at the right time. Thorpe did not pass and so we can go back and re-investigate that with them and see if they're willing to give us a little alcove where you display the history or if you are familiar with the history of it. Also the idea of it being, even if we did that, being part of it, dad would alter with either the families invited to decorate and having art or display while the other alters are displayed and just thought it would be, I thought it would be inappropriate. So if we could just add that to the restaurant's agenda and welcome them to discussion then. Would someone else like to join you as the task force because the other previous task force member is no longer here? And that would, I mean, either scheduling a meeting with the library before our meeting in January or depending on what they say it would be, that would be a commitment. Okay, I have a question. I just have a question. Oh, there we go. I have some better questions. Okay, good work. Thank you. If somebody changes their mind and wants to sit on that task force, let me know. Okay, so 11, icebreaker and I have something to say about this. I don't think this should go on the agenda. I agree. I don't really want to have our little intimate details recorded for all time on the internet. It's not really AIPP business. I think we should move this to the 536 era before we start our meetings and people want to come and chat and have icebreakers then. I think that would be terrific. I would very much like that. How does everybody else feel about that? I much very very much agree and it's probably don't like myself being recorded with all my personal details. I love you all and I really want to get to know everybody more, but I don't really want my personal information shared for YouTube and for everybody else to have at all times. So I hope you will understand. Does anybody think this is terrible idea to move this? I agree. Okay, so we'll just make sure that we have, we'll just make sure that we always have that 536 if we're meeting here or elsewhere, that we're meeting time. It's a wonderful recipe. No good recipes enough. Yes, but recipes. I set mine far. The cranberry relish. Yay! So anybody who wouldn't like to know about this is I get every year that we have the Thanksgiving. So anyone who wants to know what is a whole cranberry relish with the vendor and R&Js. I mean, I still want your thing. I still want all of this. I was like, I'm sorry I didn't send my recipe, but can you just send a full file with everybody who's messed up? That's what I'm gonna do, guys. You're gonna have to be very, very... So, Stephanie, if you're going to be sharing your recipe, what recipe will you be sharing? Well, we can still share recipes if you want to. Just send me your recipe if you don't want to share it. I'll be sharing it. No, I can take a picture of it on my phone. That's it. Okay, there. Anybody else want to share what recipe you're bringing? Well, yeah, I'm gonna do a Southern Spicy Marmalade Ginger Cake. Mine's gonna be the Curried Sweet Potato Soup. Oh, yeah, I didn't want that. I was gonna do it on a funeral, but then now I feel like I need to switch this to a different dish, so there's an actual... I remember one. So, send your recipe to Laura before 7. Item 12, I... Wait, wait, nope. Thank you. I didn't invite you all to my studio. We're doing a holiday sale the first and second. If you want to fire, come grab one. Okay, because we're trying to push for this whole thing to happen. I do, I do. We'll send it digitally to Nettie and Jennifer and Iris. Yeah, we have this Friday. No, no, just one more thing regarding kind of protocolities that were whatever since we're kind of on it. I did see the note in the meeting minutes about doing nuts and bolts for the meeting, so speaking of taking the top, I'm gonna add if you are all agreeable. It's a little bit of nuts and bolts every single meeting. Like you talked about last week. Can we start in general with the new people? Yeah, because you're not meeting this one. That's right, we're not meeting this one. That's right, that's right. We're going to need to inquire, right? Okay, so I need a motion to... If we're all done, if everybody said everything we need to say this month, I need a motion to inquire. I want to go back to my first guess. I just wanted to say, okay, so I didn't say, but I've shared my recipe, which I share with many people, everyone, everyone loves it. Yeah! Watch that. Okay, that's different. Sure. Oh, that's true. That's really awesome. So, I like to do this. Are we going to read all mine or something? We're all up to a check on that. Make this different. I'm sorry. Any other things, Stephanie? All right, that's seven, four, one. Thank you all very much. Happy tapping.