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I see on YouTube is the silver fox God Was that on YouTube too like In sleek, I didn't even know that that was this whole time. I thought you were just handsome ish, but you're not You're a silver. I didn't know what I didn't know that was a compliment I get someone on Instagram said that to me and then and I was with Jessica and I'm like, you know as an insult Yeah, I had no idea. I'm like I'm like is what the hell silver Fox me I mean, she knows saying you're old. She knows like you still got some Yeah, she knows she knows right away like got the gas pro still the gas. Yeah, so I said I said I'm like What is silver Fox me and she's like why who said exactly who said that let me find that bitch Take her out. No, she doesn't she's not jealous like that. I'm like some girls, you know said it to me and she's like Yeah, that's a compliment. I'm like silver Fox. I feel like it's not it's like I think it's an underhanded Yeah, it's like a back it back like you're like, you know, you're you're hot for a fat guy He's got them geriatric abs you're like a chubby Brad Pitt. Yeah, cool. Thanks, dude speaking. I get that a lot Speaking to getting old Adam. You need to share Oh So I have invested in a tool that I never owned in my life before What is it? Well, I'm driving in the car. So, you know, it's springtime, right? So the sun's out looks gorgeous now outside here in Cali and I look in the river here. I'm gonna really take off from my house suns blasted in my face and the light hits me Just right. Oh, yeah, and I've got this group of hairs coming out of my ear Never had this in my life What the fuck dude, this is not supposed to happen to me right now. What's the evolutionary advantage? I'm only 36 man I do what I'm supposed to do. Oh So like you lose hearing so like you have to like feel people now, right? You get your little tentacles out like the your little feelers, dude. I wait. You're 36. I thought you were 37 I turned 37 this year. You turn 30. So right around those hair That was my thing right when you get on the other end of 36 and you start to get closer to 40 Weird shit starts to happen, dude. You get the ear hairs. You get the eyebrow I got the eyebrow hairs that the owl kind of like crazy hairs that go away four of them And they just they they're like super hairs and they grow hell along and I was like, what was I doing? I was I was at Easter and I'm looking at someone. I'm like, what the fuck's in my eye? I'm trying to move and I grab it and I'm like there's something stuck here It was attached to my eyebrow. I'm like, that's an eyebrow hair. Yeah, that's really long Well, you can all rest assured that I took care of that shit like I didn't let it go for longer than a day It's gonna get worse. You got one of those things that goes in. Yeah I got one of those little micro the hedges the micro tools and I take care of the ears and the nose It was devastating like devastating for me I was that upset. It was you know, it was and I had to have like this like checking with myself Got some cotton in there. Oh my god. That's hair It was just because I never in my life if I dealt with it and you've all we've all seen that We've all had a grandfather or an older uncle or something, right? And he's got the hair growing out of his ear and you're just fucking when you're talking to him close Disgusting take care of that dude. Oh, yeah, and then for me to like cuz here's the thing I saw it cuz the Sun hit right I just happened to be looking at myself in the rear of your mirror How many days went by that I didn't see it. Well, so we know we noticed it Like I don't tell him Little breezy like, you know wind behind him. What about what about the nose hairs? Those are those are getting gnarly. So okay, I have this, you know on that, right? So I've got this beard thing right going on right so my mustache is kind of grown out and The way I found out about that is that I it looked like my mustache was kind of fucked up Like I had hairs going different directions And so I was trying to comb them and fix them and I was like pulling on them straight And I pulled and it was like it hurt and I was like, oh I hurt my nose I was like and then I like look closely got one of my girls got one of those like makeup mirrors You know cuz those things are like that'll tell you a lot. Yeah, you want to you see those chicks mirrors see the future Yeah, you can see the future I saw every fucking whitehead and everything I had on my like freak me out, right? It's like the honey. I shrunk the kids kind of I saw I found the roots of this hair was coming I wasn't from my upper lip It was from my nostril and it was growing into my mustache and because I had a mustache I hadn't seen it it fucking messed with me too man terrible dude Well, just week for me. Well, just wait till you find a gray pube. That's when that's when that's when you know Like shit is it the fan? Yeah, that's not actually great. It's like like white. Yeah dead. Yeah He's died. It's a wizard pube. Yeah, that's what I call it. It is, you know, I've had now it guides the way I've had several of them. So it's like I'm still 99% youthful in that area 99 99.9% that's a high But I get a few of them and I'm just thinking to myself like at some point. I'm probably like a 82 Wow, you got that many grays. They're coming dude. Yeah, you're more great. There's coming Soldiers are Hashtag winters coming coming so my quit my question is like first like what at what some point they're gonna out number the Dark ones. Yeah, just give up, you know, it's crazy. I just let it go until we I know we talked about this a while back I honestly didn't even they didn't even cross my mind that that is gonna happen. Yeah, cuz I haven't seen a lot of gray dicks Yeah, wow, you know, you have in the gym in the locker room think about old dudes watching themselves I can't picture, you know, I have to say that even though it's in my peripheral I don't hone in on it. So I haven't like I haven't really noticed all these guys A little longer. Yeah, yeah, he's pay attention Last bit, you know, not just have a corner your eye. You really got like focus Yeah, I just it just didn't dawn on me that I wake and if it did I just kind of I think I probably connected it to like They're a white all over so just kind of that match the drapes match the carpet You know I'm saying so it's like, oh no big deal I didn't it didn't cry and I'm not gray and yet so it didn't really cross my mind like oh shit one day I'm gonna be walking around and my whole bush is gonna be fucking everything. Yeah, man everything. I There keep that shit tight one area. I do I tighten it up a little bit there You know, but I just died there stop using a guard and go one. No, I wouldn't that's like blasphemy guard free I wouldn't I wouldn't imagine here's a thing you could you could fucking trim the shit out of it and with no guard But it cuz you're all gray But by the time you're all gray that also means you're legit old now I'm not like getting older like we are like then you're really old. Do you really want to have a fully bare? Old wrinkly at that point. I'm all area. I'm gonna do like designs and stuff at that point Yeah, you don't really want to look at the veins and stuff That is depressing Just cover it up Likely out of the four of us to have an added control for this guy probably What are these days gonna be like that poke it out of the front of the sure it's not a hard I pulled a pair of shorts out to wear today I know just like I'm like, how did this even happen? I don't even remember I might have been squatting down to pick something up and This to every crotch just legit has a three inch It's a big one gash in his cross Staring at his whitey tighties right now. Yeah, I had to wear like white Underwear, thank you for not putting boxers on was that who buys white underwear these my wife Told you guys know that those are only one horrible idea. Yeah. Oh, I have to they're my they stay in the back of the underwear drawer I mean it reveals everything. It's the emergency if I wear white underwear. That means laundry is well over Yeah, this is my last option. Those are the disposable ones. You can't you can't wear more than once So it's a good contrast. I gotta go on black shorts with like stark white coming on the crotch Yep. Well, here's the thing like one part of my body. I actually can't wait till it's white and that's my chest hair You know, I feel like if I have white chest hair and if I'm fit, I just look like Yeah, like oh look at that guy over there. Yeah, he's a badass. He's obviously been doing this for a long time Yeah, exactly. That's what I want there. He's done some war. I'm not trying to get white You know the funny you said there is this like Respect that you give the guy in the gym who's got a physique still and he's got white hair Yeah, he's got white always. He's like which means he's he's North of 45 50 years old in the gym. He's a badass and he's fit still. Yep Every young little gym bunnies still like hey, you know, they're all like nice to him every gym I've ever ran or whatever. They're the old fit dudes They're they get all kinds of love. They're they're they're gods Yeah, because if you're a young dude and you're yak, and you know how hard it is like you're supposed to be Yeah, you're like, man, that dude's fucking awesome and he's always so I always that's why I don't really you know I don't really sweat it. I'm cool. I'm cool. We just have to be that guy Yeah, that's the idea like if you get fat and then you're old. Well then forget about it So if you're fit and old and you throw money at that on top of it Yeah, you're in a whole another level now. Hey, I meant to ask you. I didn't see you post anything or talk shit I said about Trump's tweet on Amazon. I thought for sure you'd be old. What do you do with Amazon? Yeah, he was talking shit about Amazon Oh, is he trying to say that they are not paying their fair share taxes and all that no no Doug look up Trump tweets about Amazon it'll be trending right now pissing me off lately pretty bad. Well, you know what the tariffs I was like literally waiting for you to talk about this because I was like, you know what I Have an opinion on what what these guys are always do like when you get to the level of like Trump or like Bezos Give that kind of like fuck you power a lot of all of us, you know little people We sit here and debate like the policies and the moves and let's take all this and that and what we don't even realize Like I think half the time like these are just like fucking billionaires fucking with each other Yeah, yeah, you know saying like Bezos and him monopoly. Yeah Bezos and and Trump are not like friends They're not cool. So Amazon owns Washington Post So Washington Post like just drags Trump through the mud So Amazon is one of the companies right now that's struggling with Facebook snapchat and F all these tech company like the tech The whole tech space right now is hurting right with all the shit that's coming out right now And so I look at I literally look at it like this is just like how billionaires like throw a little fucking jabs at each other Oh, yeah, it's like oh look at this my buddy Especially when they're down my buddy based on who I don't like who always talks shit about me through his his news article Looks like he's struggling right now. I'm gonna throw a tweet out real quick gasoline Right a little a little 20 million dollar punch in the stomach. You'll say it like that's exactly what it is exactly what it is Yeah, you know, but I just wish he wasn't the president. You know what I mean? Well, he was talking so what he was talking shit about is the post office I'm reading it right now with you on that So he's saying that that the post office loses money because the because Amazon uses them to ship so much Fuck the post office. They shouldn't even exist. Yeah, I mean honestly dinosaur. Fuck it's super dinosaur It shouldn't exist 99% of the mail I get from them. I throw in the garbage By you know mail.com and as far as you the poll you know Amazon making money off of what that's a You guys created that shit shut it down then yeah and see what happens So along the political lines, too. Did you see that China threw a tariff on soy beans? Yeah, so that's their counter, right? Soy and soy cars and then some other chemicals. We don't need soy. Well, here's the thing. What's your thoughts on that? Well, it's obvious Tara trade wars. Nobody wins a trade war. Nobody any time we raid any time we add a tariff to a product That's coming in here. What we're doing is we're just making that product more expensive for the consumer So it sounds like a good idea because you know the president says We're gonna put a tariff on Chinese imports to protect American businesses and reality what it means is it's a new tax on on a particular You know product so when you go to the store to buy said product now It's now 20% more expensive. So if they do this to like steal Do you know how much steel is used in in our economy? You just raise the cost of doing business by 20% for most things to save American businesses But in reality what you're doing is you're just you're taking more money from the consumer to What's the word subsidize another business that you believe should be subsidized the reality is if the consumer thinks that? American businesses should do better than the American consumer just buys American products and that's it It should be it shouldn't be forced that way. So it's it's no different than a subsidy It's the same thing as a subsidy or a tax or do you think I mean I kind of seems obvious that that would be the response. Do you think that Trump knew that going into it? I think Trump. I don't know. I mean if I had to speculate with what he was trying to do Two things I think one. He's trying to cater to his base Which he's got this base of Republicans who are these nationalistic America yeah, and they're in their economic. I mean their economic morons a lot of these people because They think it's actually good for the economy. It's good for jobs not realizing that all they're doing is raising The cost of everything for everybody, which is bad. It's inherently bad for everybody including American jobs and American Economics, but he's catering to them on one and the other thing I think he's doing is he may be trying to use it to leverage You know Negotiations so he may use it and say okay, China I've already raised these tariffs Tell you what if you lower the tariffs on our other products that you guys have always been doing Then we'll cut these out too type of deal But at the end of the day, it's us all paying for it Nobody wins these things and if it continues to go down this tip for tat fuck man. That's gonna kill It'll kill economic growth. It'll kill wealth for everybody. It's just stupid You know much everything would cost if everything was made in America Do you know dumb that is what a dumb idea that is people don't realize just how stupid yeah That idea of nationalism is if everything was made in America you would own probably you think we just label it that way though Just it as a scare tactic for the other side Sometimes I feel like we talk about like these these things that pop up right and we debate over like what what they're doing Or all how stupid that is but I mean wouldn't you agree that that it's more like chess Like don't you believe that Paul politics is more like chess than checkers. Don't you think so well? You can play chess all you want But it's it's easy to play chess with other people's money well No, but I'm not yeah, of course And what I'm saying though is like we get in here and we're debating a move like a pond just got taken out A pond just got taken out and we're like that was a stupid move you lost your pond But it's like that's because we can't see three four moves ahead because we're not behind the scenes of everything like that That was killing that pond and how stupid that may have seemed to you is there's a bishop sliding behind that That's gonna put the other place in check like so here I want to believe that the the men in the White House and the women in the White House are Far more intelligent than than I am or else they shouldn't be there And so I got to think that that's if you think that their intentions are Good well, no, it doesn't necessarily mean they're always good I'm not saying that because I mean sometimes you know, it's it's brutal You know I'm saying I don't think it's always in our best interest, but I think that when we Get triggered by the headlines that the news put out there like oh Trump tweets this and says this and then also We get all these things like we're debating something that it is almost like what they want us to look at They want to distract us with the pond being killed so they can slide in behind And make another move that's ten times bigger and way more profitable for them and way more what they do They do that all the time with bills. So what they'll do is they'll pass a bill that is like And there'll be something in it that nobody will argue against like this new bill, you know increases funding for 9-11 victims people who got you know sick from the dust or something like that And then in that bill though is all these other spending increases and all these other things that nobody ever talks about politicians Congressmen rarely ever rarely read an entire bill before they pass them Senator Rand Paul who I'm largely a fan of for the most part ten and just in a mash She's another guy in the House of Representatives They'll take a bill and they'll post pictures of every page and say now you read this and go through and let me know What you think we just got this yesterday, and we're supposed to vote on it today No way in hell anybody could read this entire thing and people will just and they'll just vote Yes, no whatever not even knowing what's in the bill. I mean the whole system is just yeah It's so fucked up and so insane part of the game It's absolutely stupid, but as far as this you know this these chess pieces are concerned and playing games like this Like they're playing what he's doing. He's playing with our money. Here's what I would have done I think he's playing more with our emotions I think it's like you said it's feeding to it's feeding the into the his people his group of people that he wants to Feed into because later on he's gonna call upon that. Well, I'm saying how about this move How does this sound what if instead of saying hey Chinese solar panels are Really really cheap far less expensive than American solar panels So what we're gonna do is we're gonna put a tariff on them to level the playing field Which is what he said which in reality is just we're gonna raise the price of everything Instead what if you said this imagine if you said this instead Chinese solar panels are more or cheaper or less expensive than American solar panels So what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna wave all taxes for American solar panel companies So it can be more even how about that one? Why not instead of adding fucking taxes to everything? Why not cut taxes for everything and do that instead? Well, you know, that doesn't feed big government. Well, that's right I'd say that's literally saying like I'm gonna take a pay cut or we're gonna take my my team my guys my people here Here are gonna take a cut for the better the nation I would love to see that I would love to see him say hey you guys are taxing our cars Because this is the truth is this China Japan a lot of these other countries do put tariffs on American Products to protect their own which again if they want to use their tax money to whatever it actually But it's it's it hurts a little bit But it actually benefits anyway because we still get cheaper price stupid They're throwing their own money away So let them do it but if they if they did that and we don't like it Why not just cut our taxes so that the price is less so that yet when they slap the tariff on our Taxes so much lower that it doesn't matter then have them add another tariff on top of it and try and work their Way out of that like I feel like there's better ways of doing these moves He's just doing these really quick and easy ones and maybe it's because he has the authority to Add a tariff whereas he might not have the authority to slash attacks that may require Congress If I'm not mistaken, so that's an interesting yeah, because he does have the authority easier and quicker He does have the authority to as the president to to add tariffs to different things But so what does this really mean though for us as far as like I mean, I'm not a big soybean consumer So I don't give a fuck you know saying like so and I don't mass produce it like who is this really going to hurt? immediately you know Products products with soy will just we'll cost more money. We'll sell less There'll be a smaller market for it will produce less of it and they're in the price of go up So it's gonna it's gonna hurt soybean farmers. It's gonna hurt hurt American market It'll hurt world markets. How much of that do we require from China anyways like how much China is a massive? America is one of the largest producers of soy in the world So that's a big big crop cash crop for us Oh, we're one of the number one producers of it one of the number one producers Well, if we're producing that much of it, why do we need why do we need them anyways China? Yeah China's Eats the most everything. I mean the Chinese market is so massive That's the thing about world markets that people don't really Understand is that when you play this game and you try to hurt another country It's a world market and you hurt yourself and the larger that other country is The more it hurts everybody and China is the second largest Market in the world for you want them buying all your well I wonder I wonder which hurts more right did the steel tariff fuck them more or did the soybean tariff fuck us more this deal It hurts everybody. Well, no, I know that I know it hurts everybody, but I bet you there's I mean I bet you could almost mathematically figure out who hurts more and that's why I say I bet you that When he threw this out here you have to know you got to be smart enough to know that that's their possibility to retaliate And you're okay with it because in your head you're going I don't care if you'd nail that I mean you're gonna hurt us by ten billion dollars. We're fucking you by forty billion dollars It's a net twenty for us. So go ahead and tear off the fuck out of me shit No, I think it just everybody gets fucked But I think oh it never works evenly perfectly well not evenly buddy. What I mean is everybody ends up You know paying the cost for inefficiency in the market Well, is that true if it's a net if it's a net win for us by 20 let's and I'm using you total hypothetical numbers that I'm just I'm just challenging the thought process here is you know, what what if that's what it is it hurts America by 20, you know billion dollars, but then it hurts China by 40 billion dollars Everybody's getting hurt, but the net loss for us making that power move is it's a net gain of 20 It's not a gain. It's that we lost less than they did right right So that's a game of attrition. That's how that's partially one of the reasons one of these strategies that we used to Motivate countries to do it. No, no, well, I mean here's the deal again You're playing with everybody's money again, but it was one of the one of the strategies We used to win the Cold War it was to outspend the Soviets and you know, Reagan You know, they just ramped up military spending the Soviets tried to keep up with us It's one of the reasons why Soviet Union collapse as they basically bankrupted themselves With the amount of money that they were trying to spend to keep up with us But then now we're left with a military budget That's just because it never goes away number one and it cost us a lot of money to do that now The argument can be made that the Cold War was a completely different You know situation and I agree you had nukes, you know pointed at each other, you know Triggers ready to be pulled like it that was a real situation China There's no there's almost no risk that we're gonna be in a military, you know I have a you know a war with them or anything like that This trade war. Yeah, it's a ward of attrition who can suffer the most economically before they give up type of deal Everybody suffers when they do that and here's a deal. Do we want China to? Suffer economically do we want you know what happens to our market if China loses 10% the question is the question is is it inevitable? If we're if we don't have a world leader, you know And everyone's gonna have different views and they're gonna have different governments that that run and have policies Will never always be aligned and so the question is is it inevitable that there's always gonna have these? Disagreements where we don't align and therefore in a sense to me. This is like war just war in a different way It's a trade war right. It's a trade war. We're not we're not fighting and killing people But there is strategy to all these moves and I think getting hung up on some of the details sometimes is Crazy, it would be the same thing if we talked about a huge world war and we were we were debating over the way One soldier fought the other soldier and breaking down the entire war based off of this one interaction between two men When there's hundreds of thousands of people involved in this whole war That's how I feel about when we talk about, you know business trade wars and things like that is that? There's so many moving pieces to this this war to get hung up on one move or the other and talk it talk like I think it's a part of it, but I also think that This is directly you can see the direct cause and effect it was Trump adding tariffs on their stuff Now this is retaliation. It's gonna keep going back and forth. By the way trade wars historically tend to escalate and they lead to not so good war sometimes they lead to You know where you start to isolate countries you start to ban products Well, that's what I'm interested in the motivation, you know more than anything like well like where Where's his direction with that like obviously had an agenda going? Yeah to please you know certain people in the party and all that as far as the nationalism is concerned But you know, what's the end goal and like? You know with with China and Russia being like these powers and he wants to be you know USA We we've got to be the world's superpower number one like what does this look like? It reminds me when guys get into big arguments to like about a sport like football like I love talking to my uncle Who just is like a freaking football fanatic and as a as a consumer you're sitting down You're watching the game and you see a play that the coach calls and at home. We're like this you idiot That was the stupidest call you've ever done. I just inside of me I kind of laugh because I'm like You have no idea that the preparation that went into that that one single game by all the coaches on that team all The players in there and for all you know that failure is setting up a success later down the road because that's part of the trap And so why would I think it's any different when we're playing at the even higher level when we talk about? politics and trade because You it's because you're assuming and a lot of people do this a lot of people will assume especially when it's their party That's in control is they assume the intentions are pure and good. No, that's not true. I don't think I don't think we all assume I don't I release I don't I don't assume that well you're think what you're assuming is that it's part of this grand plan That's gonna help America and all that stuff. No, no, no, no, no, no I'm not assuming that it's part of grand grand plan be benefiting Trump It just it just means that I know there's a hell of a lot more than meets the eye That's what it means. It means that I have I have a small fraction of information right now and for me to get to Opinionated about it is naive of me to think it's the same way that's like I said Somebody getting angry at a play call when they don't see the whole vision of the game That's all it is and sometimes the game may be played wrong and you lose it But so he may play him but the problem is we don't know what the game is You don't see what the game they're playing and it's probably safe to assume That the game is to benefit his donors to benefit You know to get people from his party to like them and to benefit special interests I believe that only because Historically that's how it's always worked out. It's almost never You know, this is better for you truly better for the country truly better for the average person Do you think in our lifetime? We're gonna see it all collapse. What just I mean, it's Knowing that what you're saying right now I mean you have to know that that that's not a long-term way to to run a country or for us to to be successful Long long term. Do you believe that it's gotta fail eventually and we're in a sense We're slowly dying right now when you talk about our debt in the direction. We're going where we're going with health Yeah, I mean, do you believe it's inevitable that a slow bleed? I don't I don't really see it being like this this Immediate sort of catastrophe that there's like very visibly obvious to everybody I think that they're just like they restructure everything like as it collapses my personal belief is that it's gonna collapse But not because let this catastrophic You know Empire collapsing that causes revolution a lot stuff. I think it's gonna collapse because it's gonna be Obsolete I think technology's I agree. I come in hot. Well, I think D Technology's decentralizing everything to it's gonna decentralize everything to such a point where Government's gonna be nobody's gonna care. Nobody's gonna want government anything Because tech is gonna out compete it just look it's gonna happen with education Less and less people are gonna put their kids in school or gonna start less and less people are gonna pay for Education it's gonna happen the medicals, you know the the medical system where people are gonna be able to solve problems through these market Solutions that are a lot cheaper more efficient. It's happening with you know entertainment It's gonna happen with it's gonna happen with defense You know, it's gonna happen with everything where you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna care about FDA regulations When I have a device that shows me what's in my food right now. Why am I gonna even care about that? Yeah, why am I gonna spend all this money on school when I can have my kid do this thing over here that costs a little bit of money gives A way better education way better opportunities or why am I gonna worry about money? You know regulated money when I can use crypto currencies that aren't gonna inflate allow me to buy things without getting tracked Seem to be safer like all these things. I said, you know, why am I gonna buy these products over here when I can 3d print them at Home like I think it's gonna be so decentralized that it's just it's not gonna matter meanwhile You'll still have like ridiculous challenges going on like the condom snorting challenge. Did you guys hear about this? What a condom snorting snort a condom and then like basically hork it through your mouth like no No, you mean like actually a condom like goes in your nose and you snort the whole thing That's possible. Yeah, it was like a old challenge. They resurrected from from the kids who ate tide pods Yeah, exactly. This is like the next thing from the tide pods. Like what would you from there? Can Doug we're dug up when Doug get you gotta you gotta bring me a video up on this I just can be stupid. It'll still is this going viral right now on YouTube or what it is condom snorting You seem it too. I have morning. What? Yeah. Yeah. How did I not know about this? You know what I think hopefully it's not you I don't know if kids are dumber today or if it's just cuz social media allows a shit to spread cuz when we were kids Stupid shit too, but nobody shared it. Well. Yeah, remember like there was stuff like where you'd lean against the wall And you'd push on some make some pass out and pass out you guys ever do that. I do remember that I didn't do that. I always made fire, but I did I made myself pass out doing that. I remember that was really weird That's crazy man. The condom challenge the condom challenge What? Here's how this went viral. Yeah, so these are like, you know, you ain't no one snorting the gold coin It's good. Yeah, you ain't snorting that one You're doing one of these planet parents holding that out of your mouth planet parenthood 15-year-old penis condoms You know I'm saying like that ain't a man's condom. You ain't snorting that you're getting the extra small Yeah, no, so you snored it and you pull it out of your mouth and it's the thing now But again, I think it's just because they can share the shit It gained wide internet attention in 2013 Oh, wow, so it was already a thing before but now it's becoming a bigger thing viral again Yeah, it's just disgusting. Why is the old guy doing this now? Is this a brand-new condom or is it I mean I have to say though the this is better than the type of challenge It's better than the type of challenge Someone's gonna choke. Yeah, someone's gonna choke and then they're gonna it's gonna get and you know It's gonna happen Johnny died. Can I tell you what'll piss me off? This isn't pissing me off. You want to snort a condom fine? Here's here's what'll piss me off if you want to do if this Makes all of a sudden some fucking bureaucrats like we need warning labels on condoms that say don't snort these That's when I'll get mad That's when I'll get pissed off because there was a whole push for the tide pod snort There was a whole thing for the tide pods where some politician was saying how you need to chit You should they need to change the way they look because they look too appetizing That just popped up right now the challenge of all these are all the challenges that have been popular Did you see what they just popped up? I didn't even see that one before Kylie Jenner lips one Yeah, that's where you create suction in the glass and then put it over your lips to make them plump. You tried this I know I feel like you tried this not my lips look fuller lately. No, you did do this. That's just cuz they're that way Yeah, it's just very voluptuous. Yeah, anyway Ridiculous absolutely ridiculous. Oh Speaking of ridiculous you guys saw what happened at YouTube yesterday. Was it yesterday? Oh, yeah, the shooting you guys see that Yeah, there was a shooter on the campus of YouTube She's a she was pissed off because YouTube Like her videos I guess we're seeing a certain amount of views and then they change the algorithm So her videos couldn't be seen. This is an outside person coming in onto the campus Yeah, and so she went on there and start shooting and shit. She's also a vegan activist Yeah, she's a hardcore. What does that have to do with you shooting nothing? I just thought it was weird She's like a professional at being angry. Well, dude. It's three strange things Justin She's a mass shooter and she's a female. That's usually not common. She's a vegan activist I don't know if that even makes a difference, but that's kind of weird What else she was pissed off about their their algorithm, you know I've seen it all over people posting on Instagram now and the thing I don't like about things like this I hate that we give light to it. Yeah, because people and you see all these people like I can't believe this And then we get these marches behind it. It's just using it's like, dude This stuff happens less today than it ever did before It's actually less than the 90s. It actually happened more often, right? That's what I'm saying this it's happening less more But what we have now that we didn't have in the 90s was fucking Yeah, so everybody's a reporter now Yeah, and everybody's an expert on everything now and then when we have something like this we give light to it You know what it does it allows some kid that some fucked-up kid over in some state all by himself that has All he has is connection to YouTube or Instagram or podcasting who now hears about something that he probably would have never found But out of across the country and gives him an idea now, you know, like, oh, I want all that nobody knows who I am I was by the way I hate life already and I already was thinking about killing myself may as well go out with a baby I don't know if you realize this but that's actually statistically a true thing psychologically speaking. They've talked about how The more often something happens Yeah, yes, yeah, it's you know, it's funny when it comes to like robbing our banks We don't you guys know that do you guys know you don't hear about how they're not allowed? Yeah, you just know that Yes successful bank robbings do not get reported on the news. Do they happen? Are you sure I'm that's 50% of robberies are Successful. I have heard about this. You never hear about them. Why was that? I wonder why dude. I heard don't worry We'll protect our banks, you know, I know if they were off hand and our lives matter I know of three already. They didn't catch all the time, dude I know locally banks that have been robbed that I didn't hear about on the news or anywhere anywhere else But I know they were it was accessible. I heard it from I heard it from the employees there. Yes I was like, oh my god. Are you seriously? Yeah, we've been robbed So it's just funny to me that we've put things in place. I don't know that. Yeah, bro Are you is it a law or is it that the base? Oh, I don't know if it's a law Okay, maybe the banks themselves have like an internal Yeah, and they want to keep it quiet because it kills their their business right and that could be a possibility Like I'm not saying that it's something that we've legislated for and it's a law or anything like that by any means But I do know that's been in effect for a very long time That's a bunch of people like out there like point break style, you know just coming in for sure 50% of them are successful. Yes. I heard it's been a while since I read that I always thought I always thought that robbing a bank was like guaranteed to get caught Of course you did. You know why because that's the Perception that you have wow because you always see the guys getting the stupid bank robber, right? It's on the news criminals. He rubs. He rubs a bank with a fake gun and there was five grand in there What an asshole that he gets caught on the way to fucking Starbucks afterwards It's always like that It's never don't they give you the money with the freaking ink on it and all that shit. Oh, do you watch too It's tv. Yeah, it's not like that I mean that's I'm sure they have situations like that, but no, it's not like that at all Wow, I did not know that. Yeah, it's crazy, right? So I have you guys ever seen a bank robbery like in person Yeah, like ever do you have you guys ever been near one or whatever? No, I mean 17 closed down because they remember that one Yeah, they were driving away and they still didn't they got into yeah They got into a gunfight with cops were killed and even and still they still didn't catch them So much so half my family works in banks. My brother has actually been robbed twice In his bank and the banks that he's worked in so yeah two times He's been in a bank and you know how bank robberies usually happen It's an it's a let's just a note like a guy will walk up to the to the teller this much They don't it's not like the movies are like everybody get down. They don't do any of that shit They walk in they those are the guys that get caught. Yeah because they follow the movies They'll hand a note and the note will say like, you know, give me a hundred thousand dollars I have a gun if you don't whatever and they're instructed to do exactly Right and and don't make any sound and they hand over the money to leave and then afterwards they're like We just got robbed So the both times my brother's been in a bank that got robbed both times He found out they were being they got robbed after the guy left Because then the person will say we just got robbed, you know, the guy just asked for money or whatever Nobody will know what that's why they have a silent alarm Right, that's why they have the little button that they hit when underneath the counter I was so my my old studio was right next maybe like three doors down from a chase bank or whatever And uh, it got robbed while I was there and I'll never forget. I'm like training clients and then I see hell of cop cars just roll up to the bank I'm like what and the cops come over and they're like, you know Do you do you guys see anybody walking this way or whatever? I'm like, what just have they just got robbed had no idea right next door see and I bet you all those got away Do you think they all got away? Yeah. Well, do you remember what happened with your brother? Did you ever remember what he said like, oh man, let's just print some more money? No, it's a good question. I don't think you'll know if they got caught or not Yeah, I don't I wonder if they were telling you sure you sure they would sure Well, maybe not though Maybe that's part of the how they protect it and they don't they don't let people they don't say anything You know, I don't know but I just find that fascinating that Something like that to protect the banks to protect the money like that We we've put either systems or laws or things in place to make sure that happens But then when it comes to shit like this, you know, it's well, there are there are laws now If you sue a Vaccine manufacturer, I don't know if you guys knew this if you sue a vaccine manufacturer That they have to keep it quiet and If you win it's kept very quiet and there's a specific laws around this to protect the vaccine companies because The government has deemed the vaccine so important that they don't want people's opinions to be Swayed swayed or whatever, but no, this is legit public hysteria. I don't know all the details But it's actually true. I've actually looked it up. Wow. So there is some kind of funny stuff like that right shenanigans Yeah, a little bit a little bit of shenaniganism shenanigans going on. So anyway, always agenda in my opinion Hey, so check this out. This is this is has to do with health But it's a study that just that I read the other day. It's a randomized controlled trial It was published. I think in 2010, but it's very interesting Somebody posted it in our forum one of the things I love about our forum by the way is I love our a lot of the studies Probably a good half of the studies that I talk about on the show. I see on the forum now People will post them then I'll they're finding them at the same time. They're fine. No, no No, they'll send them to us. They'll find them. They'll post it in the forum. Yeah, I'll read it in the forum I'll be like, oh cool. I should talk about this on the show. Yeah So it's becoming the great resource for there's some smart people in there. There's a few people in particular on there who What's his name? Joe? Talarico Joe Bagadona. It's remember him. Yeah He does some blogs blog for us for a little while So he likes to show send me studies and he posted this one And it's a study that shows that insufficient sleep undermines dietary efforts to reduce body fat So in this study they had individuals Either sleep for eight and a half hours or five and a half hours a night The people who slept for five and a half hours lost Half as much body fat. Wow and and lost 60 more Fat free body mass. They actually lost the same same diets same same regimen everything Pretty much absolutely pretty much so It's pretty interesting how sleep can affect the body. I mean, obviously there's some variables in there that make a difference In the individual variants of that but that drastic of a difference is that's crazy substantial Yeah, 55 percent more and they also noticed of course. They were hungrier. They crave different foods Um, they probably I mean you don't feel as good. So you don't move as much so many factors to consider right? It goes back to I mean, we've been saying this for a long time on the show that it's one of the It's one of those big rocks, right? It's like before you is like number right before you go over and invest in the latest greatest supplement or pre workout Or you know, whatever breakthrough thing that we have right now Like get rid of the ones that are probably making a difference of 50 percent Yeah, it's like it's like you never allow yourself to get balanced again You know like having sleep allows everything to kind of reset and then you get you know your performance Definitely is affected. I wish I wish I was as aware as I am now about sleep when I was in my 20s I wish because I know what I accomplished in my 20s I know how hard I worked and how I could fucking do what go crazy Imagine if you're just trying to be efficient at it Imagine imagine if I understood the the importance of actually getting Good quality sleep because it's not like I can't like like today if I wanted to if I wanted to I could go five hours a night and fucking drive through and take a bunch of stimulants to do all that stuff It's just I'm so aware now of the difference That I make it more of a priority now, of course I am older So I'm probably not as I can't get away with it like I used to But if I knew that in my 20s my god, I would have made first of the gains I would have made would have been better the obvious side of it is thinking about this Like everybody knows it's like everyone's had a day where they didn't sleep right? Everyone's had a something that kept them up for 24 hours Think of how you felt the next day, right? Everybody knows that like brain fog awful groggy and then you just fucking crash So what makes us think it's for days. That's the that's the extreme version, right? Very few people are going obviously no one's going every single day not sleeping because you would die, right? So but that is a small like example of look what happens when you just don't for 24 hours when you don't get sleep How the body like how it feels just feels like you got hit by a train, right? Well, then what makes you think that it's not just you scale that back, you know You missed three hours or you missed one hour like it may not feel as dramatic, but it's that detrimental Right. It's that detrimental to the body and look at it because that we see it in that exaggerated form when we miss it For 24 hours What makes me think that every time I miss 10 minutes or 20 minutes or an hour or two hours That it's not detrimental to my my success and of my health, right? It's it's when you when you lose sleep when you lack sleep You're inducing that fight or flight response of the body Because you you want to stay awake the next day evolutionarily speaking, of course This makes sense if you had a terrible night of sleep the next day you still need to have energy and stuff to Hunt or to you know gather food or whatever And so the what happens your body puts you in this State of fight or flight by increasing stress hormones like cortisol because cortisol gives you energy Cortisol is the hormone by the way that wakes you up in the morning or at least it's supposed to Cortisol gives you energy in the short term. This is a good thing You want that boost the cortisol if you're tired and run down Especially if you need to get some you know You got to hunt or you got to find food or you got to get shelter and that kind of stuff So that goes up catecholamine production goes up to keep you wired because these are all adaptations that your body has to To compensate for the lack of sleep But that's okay in the very very short term if you prolong that and you consistently maintain that fight or flight response On a daily basis. Well, we know what that can do to the body I mean studies show that chronic sleep deprivation shrink the brain actually cause the brain to start to kill itself a little bit So it's Sleep deprivation by the way is connected to pretty much every chronic disease you could think of Pretty much it increases the the chances of getting almost all Almost all chronic diseases that they've done lots of studies on everything from diabetes to alzheimer's to Autoimmune diseases every single one of them lack of sleep makes worse or accelerates So it's just one of those things that is it's at the top top top of the list And if you're trying to burn body fat and build muscle and you're like, you know, I don't even care about My long-term health. Let's say you're young. Have a kid. Yeah, exactly It's not good. It's not anabolic. What's that like? Oh, yeah, not getting that at all. How's your how's your buddy? What buddy? Oh, my Yeah, I don't talk to very much anymore Weird yeah, no, he's you know, he's definitely not sleeping very much right now And you know, it's funny you brought my buddies up right now because I actually had something I was going to share with you guys that I along the lines of getting old, you know I'm talking about the hair thing So I out of the so I have two best friends You've heard me talk about on the show a lot that we go all the way back to childhood I mean, they're like family to me. These are my brothers, right? So I would do anything for them But we've all grown and gotten older and we have different things that we're into and They tease me a lot because I'm the one who keeps hanging on to youth You know say like I just I want to still do the athletic sport. I want a snowboard I want to wakeboard. I want to play basketball still I want to be I want to do these things like I still want to dress in style and be hip and things like that Like my buddies have just cashed in on all that shit. Fuck it all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, the jeans and the white t-shirt every single day. Don't give a fuck about style or your suits fashion Quit all real sports play things like golf and fishing Like I mean, this is with the direction that they're going and so we have a group thread, right that we're in And what we do still have all in common is we're all big sports fanatics So we do have our sports teams that we we talk about but like I was looking at our thread and it's just It's turned into this home improvement thing So they're on this like kick of like it's so cool to talk about You know remodeling their bathroom. I mean everybody's like Al Borland. Oh, totally dude Or building like it's just fucking, you know, this new like shelf, you know, it's just like super cool And we they share we share pictures on our thread all time. I got nothing to contribute to the worst Look at all these ideas on Pinterest. Yeah, totally, dude Did you say that out loud? My boy is bad. I fucking love a man and it's it's cool that that that's where they're at In their lives and I think that it's totally awesome and I see that I'm sure there'll be a time where I get off on that stuff. But right now. I just that's not my thing, dude I'm not on my free time on the weekends like tearing my bathroom apart and rebuilding all the way like that And I don't know if it'll ever be me. Yeah, I don't know if I'll ever be that guy You're gonna you're when when it's time to do that out of necessity You're gonna embrace it so hard. I can't wait to see it. I'll be the opposite. Oh, bro I'll be like You're gonna be like car wood carving like I guarantee it I'm just gonna be like a wood carving you watch the second he has a kid and you know gets his house and all that stuff He's gonna be coming in here with a baby born on Oh, I want to just connect with the baby today. He sits in here. He's gonna be wearing a little like jordan's Feeding the baby where I won't debate. Which would be great I won't debate you on that part of me because I do know I see how I am with my dogs Right and I know that something that's a living breathing being that came for me I'm obviously gonna feel even stronger about than the way I and I treat them like on another level as far I treat them like humans. At least that's the the or like a kid. Oh, yeah, you're gonna be super dad for sure I'm sure when it comes to the dad thing I will be that asshole that does take his kid around all the place and you know We'll love it. We'll love it. Well. Yeah, because you guys would be like, I know what he's going through right now No, I love it. I know like right till you hate that little shit in two years You're gonna come in with like throw up on your shirt. What happened to your shirt, bro? Oh god, I don't say that morning breakfast throw up on my sneaker game. Yeah, exactly But anyway, so you haven't talked to him about how how good asleep? No, we have a little bit and they you know there He's not sleeping very much right now and his life a hundred percent is revolved around the kid But I mean again, he's like a brother to me. So it's like I haven't I have a you know a niece and a nephew coming You know, so I would say I don't know Justin if you agree with me the lack of sleep is probably Probably the hardest part. That's the one. I think so, huh? Because it's a whole life adjustment You know, you just know you're never getting it back and they say it's what like it's why It takes a long time to come to terms of that. Yeah, that's true. Well, what do you? What do you think is? What do you think the time is I've heard guys say six the first six months are like rough and then after that It's easy. I've heard some guys just say the first month never gets easier. I mean, it's it's rough It never gets easier. No get the fuck out of here with that Get out of here dude change it dude. It's just like even having a puppy, dude Like you're all right, dude pissing on your floor and changing diapers a lot different than a puppy I'm telling you that right now. Well, I believe that but you mean to tell me it doesn't get easier I mean, yes in in scale. Yeah in some ways it does scale. I mean, it's not like you are right now Okay, so this this won't exist anymore. Yeah, but this this thing Well, even now in your day even now when my daughter my kids are with me You're not selling me on the idea. I'll add all and we're trying to build this like Idea that's no listen. My kids were really good sleepers too. Really really good We did a good job with you know when they would go to bed if they cried We would let them cry a little bit just to make sure and a lot of times they fall asleep I think a lot of parents make the mistake of like constantly Bringing the kid in the bed all the time, which is a big mistake Especially with the partner right out You let them cry a little bit and let them figure it out and give them a little bit of time because a lot of times They just don't just go to sleep sometimes they won't you got to go in there and figure out what the problem is But even now like my youngest is eight Still, you know when I'm with them Maybe one or two nights one or two nights out of the nights that I have them over a course of a week or so I'll still get the yeah, you know in a room out here Yeah, one little voice and it'll just be like them like having a dream And then what exactly and then what happens is I go in there because I'm all worried. Yeah, how are you doing honey? Everything okay good, you know kiss hug. Okay. Here's some water. Can you get me this? Okay, I get then they go to sleep But then is the dad because what happens when you hear their their voice like there's certain noises that will not And now an alert has gone off in your brain and so now you probably can't sleep very well It's a response right and that and this might be just my experience too. But yeah, like so that one time My youngest he'd swallowed a marble in the middle of the night right and like I off dude He was like I mean we had to get take him to the emergency room anyway Horrible so ever since then like there's just like any noise Will set me off in the middle of the night that like it sounds like Something in the air even dude. I'll get up and I'll just ah like karate chopped my way downstairs I'm fucking it's crazy. Like I don't know dude. I don't know like until he's like Maybe a teenager. I think I'll probably be like cool again. Yeah, sounds awesome. Probably probably not You know when you won't sleep when they're a teenager when they're out When they're sneaking boys into their room or sneaking girls stop it Stop it stop it right there So the biggest challenge I think I'm gonna have Is when they both start dating I think that's when I'm gonna have the biggest challenge because I know how that can be You know with teenagers and all that stuff and you know If my son gets his heart broken or if my daughter does or if they want to start having sex or They want to start experimenting and you know because they're out of the house I think that's gonna that might invoke old school Sicilian sal to come out a little bit which is not good. It's not good parenting I can I know it logically but if it comes it might come out, you know I'm saying Yeah, it might we were actually having this conversation that you're not we were watching this movie and I don't remember what it was But this girl was like arguing with her dad and she runs out of the house and like jumps on the back of a guy's motorcycle And she's like you don't understand me and then they ride off out of here Yeah, and the dude's like obviously a that make you want to cry Bro, he's obviously a fucking loser riding off with your daughter. Here's the funny thing. It's a horrible visual Here's the funny thing 20 years ago. I would identify with the good guy on the motorcycle like yeah I'd be the one taking the girl away. Forget about it. Now. I'm looking at the like I'm like feeling for the dad like So I had this conversation with Jessica and she's like, how would you react to something like that? And I'm like, well, I've thought about this actually I thought a lot about this And what I would do just kill him because you can't yeah You can't do anything you can't do anything to your kid because Then they might rebel even even further and they're old enough to fucking run away or do something crazy, right? So what I would do is I would do it in such a sneaky way like I'd wear a ski mask And I'd scare the fuck out of the guy so bad And I'd be like, you know, you know So-and-so's dad set me. You know what I mean? Yeah, shoot him in the foot You know, I mean just scare the fuck out of him. Maybe if you come back, we'll kill you I have your address or something like that. Yeah, you gotta mentally like just torment him. No, I'm find him at work I'm mostly joking. Yeah, mostly joking. No, no, I forgot I'm being recorded. I would do the same This would be used in court one day. Sorry bring on the bird Before we get going on this, we do have a Thrive Market box. Yes. Yes. Oh, I miss these boxes I want some gifts. I do feel like it's been a while. Why has it been a while? Is there a reason why? Is there any peanut butter? Hiatus Thrive Market restarted their contract with us here in April. That was a power move by mine pump right there There you go. You better pay us our money. We're not gonna open your boxes. You're strong It worked. No, we keep ordering the boxes. Anyway, we've got a few stacked up here But uh, there's a few factoids I wanted to share with you about Thrive Market. It's an interesting company 70 of Thrive Market catalog cannot be found on amazon. Wait, wait, wait 70 percent 70 so you can't find most of these things on amazon That's exactly right. You mean the actual product or products like that. Is that what it means? No, the products the actual product Brand or whatever right because everybody that's fascinating because amazon has everything well I had I had a client I don't have 70% of yeah No, I have a client that shops not through Thrive and stuff like that But then she was looking at stuff through amazon She said that she couldn't find some of the things she was looking for so that makes a lot of sense now Yeah, and it's actually the largest retailer in the country That sells exclusively non-gmo groceries. Yeah, the quality of their stuff is on another level I swear to god and the price is on top of it. I honestly honest to god before we got sponsored them I don't know how I did it. I know it changed all my grocery shopping Yeah, and then one more is that all packaging boxes and inserts are made from recycled paper and are recyclable 100 zero waste In fact, they're the first company in the country to go zero waste Oh, really the first that's fascinating. You know forward thinking, you know, who's gonna buy them amazon? I bet you don't yeah You know, I my I speculated when we first started all this that they're gonna be amazon's biggest rival I think that they're establishing themselves in the space faster and better in that specific space that amazon's still piecing that together like with the They're buying the whole yeah, well, I hope not. I want I love competition. No, I think it'll I think they'll throw How funny is that I think they'll thrive Like a market. Yeah. No, I think I think they're gonna thrive. I think I think they're gonna do well I think they did such a good job with their model and I think they're so far ahead Of amazon in that specific space that they'll become like it'll be pepsi and coke All right. Well, what did you get us for what did you get us? I just wanted to say one thing I got the thinking about how to order from thrive. Of course, you're you're ordering from your home from your computer You don't have to go anywhere it gets sent to you in a box, but everything's recycled So there's no waste at all. It costs a lot less money than retail And uh, we have a great hookup for you as well So I I I guess my question would be why wouldn't you do it? Right? That'd be my my number one question call them out Doug the closer Closer dude. Why aren't you pitching your family's gonna die? He's hard clothes Wrong commercial That's life insurance. It's life insurance. My bad. My bad. Stay with me. All right. What do we got? So anyway, we have a lot of requests for snacks around this place. Oh What is this? Let's pass these around. We got some cashews. We got We got macadamia. I want the macadamia. Oh, cashews. We got more cashews. Oh, sorry, dude We got so many macadamia nuts. You probably go through those the most. I'm going nuts Anyway, this was the nut box. This was basically the nut sack Wow, Doug's been hanging around. Sounds delicious. Yeah Somebody filled that whole box with nut and one last thing. Oh, you got your dark chocolate. Yeah thrive market now How's dark chocolate? We know who those are for. Oh, yeah, you know it. I'm gonna You know, here's a little a little fun factoid for everybody listens like that's something about Doug I think always takes dark. You we will. I don't care where we are where we're traveling I can guarantee you 80 kick out. Yes. Doug has some dark dark chocolate in his bag Have you seen him eat it before too when he does it? Oh, he's he's all sneaky He takes it out and bites the corners. Yeah. Yeah. I like a rat We got some seriously dark chocolate here 85 percent. Is this the first time you're trying their stuff? Absolutely Oh, I'd be honest. And this one's 95 percent. I'm very curious. Wow. Whoa. That's that's hardcore Well, we know that you are the dark chocolate connoisseur so you can give us the feedback on that Absolutely. Well, give us a report Chimera quaw Today's quaw is being brought to you by chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash Put the chimera link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code Mind pump a checkout for 10 off. It's the motherfucking quaw The eagle has landed Qua quaw All right, our first question is from chocolateous How do you guys feel? I don't know why that's so funny How do you guys feel about two a day training? How much more does it enhance results and why and how would you implement it? That's uh, Arnold right back in the day, man the double split routine I ran it. I ran it for a long time. And I did you really and I revisited it when I competed Uh, why did you run it when you were younger? Yeah, it was really when I was reading Arnold and stuff like that same stuff You know like that was a big deal. We used to we used to even split up How nasty is this we just split up like quads and hammies in the same day knock crush your quads in the morning Come back and destroy your walk. Yeah stupid And here's the thing where I where I think as I got older. I I think there's a place for this I think if applied correctly, there's a great strategy in it. I think it can be an incredible tool um What I what I know now though about using it and how I used it when I got older Was I think the right way and the way I used it when I was younger. I think it was the wrong way um And when I was younger, I was just I was looking at just the training more and more and more the more and more I trained and I just just to go harder right to go harder on myself versus really methodically thinking about like Where's my nutrition? Where's my movement? Am I feeding the body enough? Am I giving it adequate recovery? Am I programming correctly was just more get get more in right? And so I think this is a mistake that some people Do is they see somebody You know some bodybuilder guy because that's again when I used it later on That does these double splits and you see his physique and you're like fuck That must be why because he comes in the morning and then he comes again in the evening That's why he looks that way well Why I did it when I was competing was because it was an easy way for me to increase volume You know it was a very easy way for me to Look at a body part After after I got scored from my first show and the judge say hey adam You know if your back was better, you know, you would have placed better. Okay, cool So I'm not going to change much of my routine except for the volume of my back Like I'm going to increase the volume and an easy way to do that is to come back to the gym later on In a day when maybe you did a different muscle group or and then to add that into my routine It's an easy way for me to methodically add volume by adding and I wouldn't even do every single real benefit to this At all is really just building up your volume like other than like because for an athlete I mean, we'll do double days like sometimes like it's practice But it's really just like you split it up. So you're more working on your skills versus like You know, you're working like a regular practice with everybody sort in the morning But so it's like you can accomplish more if like you're super focused on Um being stage ready or you know, whatever the the goal is but you do have to be very Careful of ramping yourself up to that. You bring up a great point. That's actually true too I I mean as an athlete when I was playing sports as a kid like, you know, we would In the morning time it would be conditioning and and you know ball handling drills and things like that And then the evening you were training and lifting so you could argue that that's a double day in itself too And so if you're playing a sport and you need to be strong and you need to have good endurance And you have to have good skills. I could see a lot of value in a double day, which you know speaking to the athletes Again that as a bodybuilder I see a lot of value In doing double days I see a lot of value for someone who's competing at the professional of competing at the highest level Just like a sport person if someone playing an athlete, I can see value in these double days for the average person The average weekend warrior or the kid who just wants to put some muscle on Or the lady who wants to burn some body fat off of her not a good strategy There's there's a few things to consider when you're looking at uh new workout programming One of them is the effectiveness of the of the workout, but the other one is also How likely is it that you'll be able to maintain this program excellent point? Um and how convenient is it how unlikely is it, you know, all these are all factors you need to consider and as personal trainers We have to balance this all out So when I would train a client many times We didn't do the absolute most effective workouts because I knew it was just unrealistic for that particular client So I had to figure out within their frame of When they can work out when they can find the time What's going to be what they're going to be most consistent with Then within that I would design the the most effective routine So that being said if we're looking at pure effectiveness Just pure effectiveness and you have all the time in the world and it's not a problem and whatever Splitting up your routine is it's I mean studies shows is great for especially for cardio. So they've done studies on this Well, they'll have people do 60 minutes of cardio in the morning or they'll have someone do 30 minutes of cardio in the morning 30 minutes at night And splitting it up increases fat loss People tend to feel better reduces the stress response Obviously, I think the longer you go the more you get that stress response when it comes to resistance training I also love it. It's just super inconvenient, but I also love it Heck trigger sessions are done multiple times a day If I could do my full body workout and split it up over two workouts I now I've never done this by the way. Oh, I would speculate that would be better I would speculate it would be 100% think it would be better. I think you saying you could do like the experiment Splitting the same workout. I think splitting I we talked about this not maybe about a six seven months ago And I think I and I kind of played with it for a while I don't know if I told you guys this or not, but you know, I'd go do a set of legs And then we'd podcast we do something like that then I come back and do you know a couple sets of chest And then I would throughout the day I would just keep similar Yeah, like if it if it's if it adds up to be the same that if I were to dedicate a whole hour And I could spread it out through all the day. It's mentally easier too. So like I just focus on squatting You know for whatever like I was allotted Whether it's 40 minutes or you know, whatever the time was and then later on I'm hitting You know overhead press or you know, I'm just doing something specific for that time period where I don't feel like I'm all over the place trying to cram it all in. No, I think I think it would be super effective That's my that's my personal opinion. Now. I've messed around with some of the stuff, but only mainly around Focus sessions or trigger sessions or like here's what I used to do Um, and if I were ever to like really focus on getting the most ripped and most fit that I could possibly get I'd probably do something similar to this. This is what I did For when we were doing the marketing for maps anabolic and I wanted to get real shred and all that stuff And it was quite effective is I would do a foundational heavy workout On monday, and then I would do trigger sessions on tuesday Then I do the foundational workout on wednesday and then I do trigger sessions on thursday and so on right But on my foundational workout days. I would do trigger sessions for Other body parts that I really wanted to work on and then I would do more of a focus session on tuesday So just dramatically increased the volume. I was working out several times a day every single day I had great results great recovery. My body responded really well If I were to do something now what I would probably do is take my full body workout And I wouldn't change anything you just split in half I would just split it in half and I would do the heavy hard stuff, you know in the morning So typical full body workout start out with Squats or deadlifts or presses and then I'd save all the ancillary stuff For later on in the day and I think what happens is you come back later on the day first off You're not working out so long where you get those the super high spikes in in You know stress hormones so it shortens the workout you have more energy You come back around the second time Throughout you know in the day and you can hit now these smaller body parts with probably better intensity better focus It's it's not a bad idea. The problem is I don't know anybody that would do this long term Yeah, I think that the one thing that we would all probably agree on the number one reason why I wouldn't teach someone to do this or train someone to do this is for that exact reason Only there because I absolutely think it could be as effective or more effective And I think it's great. I mean if you have time to come to the gym two times a day Of course I can build a routine two times a day versus someone one time a day and get more done with the person Two time a day as far as building muscle or burning body one of the reasons why when people go to prison and they come out and they're so Jack because they work out all day. You got nothing else to do So they would have their time and the you know, this is back when prisons had weights I don't know if all of them don't have weights anymore, but I know in california they abandon them all but back then You'd have your time where you could go and lift weights They would lift weights But then throughout the day because you're in prison you're fucking bored You're doing push-ups and sit-ups and lunges and squats and you're doing all these other exercises throughout the day In fact, this was one of the things I thought about when I came up with trigger sessions was also that like Whoa guys in prison they do And it's that frequency of that frequency About that a lot. Yeah I'll be forced. Yeah, I had no choice guys They Thanks, just it. Uh, it's that it's that frequency of of signaling that you're sending to your body to tell it to build muscle I I still haven't done this and I still plan on doing this because now I have a garage gym And here's the deal like if you work in a gym or you have a gym in your home And you have all day to dedicate to this kind of stuff I could see it being more feasible. Obviously if you have a normal life Good luck going to the gym twice a day But if you if you you have a gym in your garage your home all day or if you work in a gym like I've done most of my life Here's something I'm going to try I'm going to I'm going to take this to the extreme And I'm going to pick like three exercises three core movements And I'm going to do like two or three sets every hour And I'm going to do that for like six or seven hours sub intensity sub maximal intensity So hard but not super hard Just getting in the groove getting the cns to really groove in sending a frequent signal now my Punch is that I'm going to see some results. I think honestly Doing that for one or two days. I should see some strength gains and I should see some changes in my body But I have yet to test it So it makes sense seeing you know what we've done as far as programming is concerned like that It's just taking it to another level. Yeah, I would follow another natural progression I feel like we're kind of all over the board on like if we're pro or not On it because right it's we're saying some positive things about it. Then we're saying some negative things about it So which is on high structure, which is I think that's the answer here And I'm not sure if that person's searching for that. I just to me I would want to teach somebody like I always teach a client like okay What is the bare minimum you can commit to me being in the gym like the bare minimum? Don't tell me like how motivated sal sounds or adam sounds right now You don't tell me the motivated version of you that wants to change right now I'm coming seven days away. No, no, no Really evaluate yourself your patterns and say listen if I had to commit to x amount of days A week in the gym. What is a very realistic number you commit to and then from there? We build the first first step of your program And then even when you hit your first plateau the answer is still is not to go to double days next I think there's other. Oh my god. That's the last thing it is It's just it's not it's way down on the priority list as far as because I want to teach you I want to teach you that you can get in shape You can get an incredible body with three days a week and get an incredible Eating correctly Moving focusing on your knees so taking walks and staying active throughout your day And fucking working out three hours out of the week. You can build an incredible physique I want to teach you how to do that first if you want more after that if you look at me and you go Dude adam, I feel great and I never thought I'd ask this But I think I might want to compete or I want to go to the next level Plus plus ask yourself how much more you would get out of more and what I mean by that is Let's say you already train diminishing as you increase Yeah, let's let's let's say you already trained pretty consistently and you're doing Let's say you're following maps anabolic and you're very committed So you're doing three foundational workouts a week and you're doing three trigger sessions on your off days So most days you're working out either trigger sessions or these heavier workouts So let's say you're doing that consistently and then you decide Oh, I'm going to split my foundational days into two workouts because I heard on my pump might be beneficial You're not gonna it's not like you're gonna gain like 20% You know, you're gonna gain maybe a couple percent That's not gonna make a blanket statement that I think it's just for professionals Like people that are just focused on sports or they're trying to get like like a very specific goal and compete I can get on board unsustainable. That's what I'm working out. It's your job. I can get it I like why why do you want to work out that much? I can get on board with that I mean I can get on board with that that there's just no real place for it Unless you are competing at the very high level Well, think about the mental think about this right now if you're listening you think oh, this sounds like a cool idea You're obsessed with it then go for it Think about the mental space because I don't know about you guys but but actually I do know about you guys are like I am with this When I work out there's a mental preparation like I know I'm up. Okay. This is the time I'm gonna work out I'm gonna do my mobility, you know my priming, you know, I got my workout clothes on I do my workout. There's this post workout ritual I do where I do some stretches Then if you eat after your workout, you may have a meal, you know, take a shower Now just double that like you know what I mean? So it's not just the it's not that you're you're splitting your workout and you're taking the same amount of time because it's not If I take if I take a Let's say I take a workout that lasts an hour In the morning typically my workouts are around an hour sometimes less sometimes a little more But usually around 60 minutes if I took that 60 minute workout and I divided it by two 30 minute workouts It's gonna take me longer than a combined total of an hour because there's the before and the after and all the other stuff The reality is it's gonna add more time to my total workout Think about all the mental preparation for all that. It's a big endeavor The I'd say 99.9 of the people listening right now You would the benefit wouldn't be worth the the you know how I use it a lot now I was like so if I'm following and right now I'm not following a specific structure of like maps But what I'm doing right now probably best models like the anabolic program right? I'm only getting about three lists in a week How I would how I would do it if a second day is or a two in one day is if I didn't complete my workout And sometimes I do that sometimes we're in a hurry here Sure, and we got to be somewhere we got to do something and I just have enough time to maybe get 15 20 minutes in So I just knock out the squats and the overhead pressing and then it's like okay I and I do it right now. I'm documenting for people to see so some people don't know this But when I post my story and I have all the exercise I've done sometimes that's been split I'm not I'm not specifying that for you that sometimes I did three of those exercises At one time of the day and then I did the other three later on in the day And I've even carried some of them over into the next day, which would typically be a Triggers, I think that's different and then I'm totally on board with that because I do that too Like as far as like adding a whole another workout, you know doubling up on that day I think that there's really no need for that Unless such you said yeah Okay, next question is from josh bridgeman. I am a natural bodybuilder trying to put on as much muscle as possible What's the best approach with calories being up towards 5,000 daily? Just keep going up and progressively overloading So I looked at his uh, instagram page and he's actually pretty built. He's done a pretty good job If he's a natural bodybuilder he's 85,000 calories. I can't imagine he's done a pretty good job on his own So here's something that I like to communicate to To lifters all lifters, but especially to natural lifters and natural referring to people who don't take Um anabolic hormones like testosterone or steroids They probably still take supplements and all that but Here's what I always like to communicate to people because over the last few decades or couple decades at least A lot of emphasis has been placed on supplements and more calories to put on our muscle to the point now where The advice you typically hear from someone when you tell if when you hear a guy like this say I need to put on more muscle. I need to pull my muscle. I'm struggling The advice typically is eat more just keep eating more food. Like that's the answer And let me tell you why that's not the answer now sometimes it's the answer But here's why it's usually not the answer. It's it's the workout The workout is typically the the new stimulus you need new stimulus and you know over the last couple decades We haven't been placing a lot of importance on the workouts to the point where Everybody's workouts started looking the same. It was funny. Like I talked to everybody Or anybody and everybody's workout was oh, I do Chest on this day back on this day shoulders on this day. Oh what exercises do everybody does bench press and climb press Everybody does overhead press everybody does you know pull-ups and rows and everybody's doing the same thing Generally the same rep ranges generally the same type of deal So it's all about you know increasing calories or taking more supplements The bottom line is this If your body Wants to build muscle It will and it doesn't require that many more calories to do so It's just the bottom line and if you don't believe me I tell you what take that same natural bodybuilder same calories same workout put them on steroids and watch what happens You put them on steroids. You'll build more muscle automatically. What happened. He's not eating any more food Nothing else changed. Well, the difference now is we're sending a hormonal signal that is telling his body to build more muscle Well, you're natural. You don't have that luxury So what you need to do is you need to send a better muscle building signal Through your workouts evaluate your workout change your programming Don't change your diet, especially if you're eating 5 000 calories a day already Don't change your diet and And here's the other thing too. Do you really want to be eating six or 7 000 calories to gain? You know another five pounds of muscle. That's arduous as fuck and that's not very realistic Don't change your food your calories if you're eating enough protein enough calories already Which I am pretty sure you are feeding 5 000 Look at your workout Change it up if you're doing a split go to full body if you're doing full body Change the phase change the exercises change the rep ranges Change the focus of your routine if you're going to failure on everything stop going to failure. See what happens there Change the movements add more mobility add more functional movement Change the stimulus so that your body now decides Building muscle and is in its best interest and then watch what happens with the calories that you're already eating You're going to surprise yourself. Yeah, it's crazy. You really do have to put a lot of focus On things like that being natural like you have to stay ahead of You know what your what your body is is being What you're basically doing with your body and the environment you're providing your body to grow so I mean that's what's great about all of our programs Is that we literally Have made sure that like okay We consider somebody that's natural So somebody that needs new stimulus somebody that needs some new type of training some new variable that they can introduce We're always thinking that way ourselves being trainers and always try to provide that for our clients but This is this is just one of those things if you want to build muscle and you want to consistently kind of You know grow you have to be able to provide a new stimulus a new environment to to thrive in I'm I'm going through his page right now and even though I agree with Justin sell a hundred percent Um, but I actually don't think that this is his I actually I mean he's I'm reading a lot of his posts And he's got I mean he's talking about mesocycles and deloading and he he speaks on volume So I think this I think this kid or young guy. I don't know how old he is Uh, it you know, this seems to be a pretty smart dude Looks like he's pretty savvy when it comes to programming So as much as I want to sell our programs to him also I don't know if that's his big struggle what I would probably say Um, and just with my experience of what it's like trying to chase five thousand six thousand calories a day I know what a monster that can be Um something that I had to do so you can imagine because I'm pretty sure I'm bigger than this guy is He looks like he's a little bit shorter than I am You know to I and at one point I was having to 5500 was to maintain My size and if I wanted to grow I had to push Beyond that and something that I had to do was actually it's it's the opposite of what we teach people for health Okay, you're a competitor. You're gonna do things at the extreme levels Was having to pull back On my exercise and my movement and my intensity Um, and it's hard to do that when you're a competitor and you're and you're getting after it and going beast mode But what ends up happening with guys like us? We have so much muscle in our body now We're moving all the time our intensity is high You're burning five thousand calories a day and it's really tough to keep increasing keeping because as you increase Not you can increase the calorie Intake and you actually build a little bit of muscle the the metabolism kicks up and now it needs that many calories Just to sustain that So at one point you get to this especially a natural competitor You get to a point where the body says this is about where I want you Yeah, you know, it's about where you naturally want to be And does it mean that you can't keep progressing over time? But a good person who I think to follow on instagram like this a good friend of ours aria sci-fi Like you look at how long it's taken that guy. He's been I think what it was you 20 years or more of Of training his body and he looks a looks amazing But if you actually looked at his physique year over year, it's such the subtle Especially at that level and the guy who this guy looks badass. Well, he's a competitor Yeah, you know, he's a legit bodybuilder. Yeah. No, he he looks awesome I mean so what you're talking about is programming it's it is it's cutting sure cutting back as part of that And that's my point is look at your routine and if you're very very experienced and you know what you're doing It could be like what adam saying where maybe you're working out too much It could be the exercise selection. It could be tempo. It could be reps. You would be shocked I tell you what look, I've been working out forever. I think I've Probably hit right around where I'm going to be I don't think I can I don't think in gaining 15 pounds a lean body mass Naturally is in my cards, but let me tell you what I've been doing recently I've been doing an exercise that I never did consistently Snatch grip high poles. Yeah, I've been doing snatch grip high poles for the last Three weeks now never done that exercise on a consistent basis I've also dramatically reduced the amount of bicep curls I do because I'm focusing more on these big movements So I'm just not doing a lot of curls. Guess what fucking grew my biceps. Why it's a different stimulus It's a different exercise a wide grip high pull like that does use biceps to to certainly say how many bodybuilders do powerless That's it. That's that's what I'm saying. I've taken you know many times. I was one of them That's a forward thinking that well, that was one of the biggest game changers for me too For before I got into competing I was kind of following this Hypertrophy based type of training model for a very long time with the With the same kind of basic movements and one of the best things that broke my plateau was getting out of my comfort zone Like that maybe that's the advice maybe that's a great It's a great point Justin what this guy is like, you know, maybe you're following a lot of the typical Bodybuilder type of exercises and routines And when was the last time you trained a pure strength based program like train like a powerlifter or a limbic lifter for a while Like let's see how your body responds to that or do these add some tension or do movements Like what sal's talking about that people attach to a certain, you know Person like oh hypo high pulls why grow snatch grip white high pulls like where does that belong in your routine? You should know who does that only Olympic lifters do that as an ingredient isolated Right. Well, that's an auxiliary movement for someone for for an Olympic lifter Well, yeah, but it's also a great movement that maybe sal's never done consistently that if also he applies that His body's going to respond and he's in a bill muscle in areas that maybe he didn't have as developed a muscle So I think maybe that could be possibly I mean if he's eating 5000 calories and I believe him because he's a competitor Yeah, you know, it's like how much room to go up. No, I mean you I mean, yeah, you can you can add food But if the here's a deal if you have if you're trying to build a house And you need bricks to build that house and so we'll think of calories is these bricks Just throwing more bricks at the house It doesn't mean the house is going to get built without more workers without more people actually building the house If you're not sending a signal to your body that says build muscle Throwing more calories at it's probably not going to do anything Except maybe, you know, maybe add body fat You might get a little bit of a boost in in muscle building, but it's very short lived and now you're stuck at You know, 5500 calories or something like that So change the stimulus and watch what happens and there's a lot of Exercises and movements that you probably still haven't done consistently. Here's a great one for delts Do some heavy ass overhead carries sound silly that made my shoulders grow when I incorporated that Try, you know, if you don't do the power lifts do your dead lifts as well I've had so many of these natural bodybuilder guys. How many how many bodybuilder guys do I love snatches Do just snatches and snatch to an overhead press bro as Like people bodybuilder guys would look at me so weird for doing a movement like that But my blue my shoulders up dude blew my shoulders up so fast twitch stimulus I do think that I mean it's hard to speculate on somebody that we don't That's all we're doing right now because we don't know all the details of what he's doing But I can say I can say relatively confidently that a lot of times I can take someone in this situation look at their workout and make some general changes Sometimes it's easy by the way. Sometimes it's like, oh You've been training in the you know, 8 to 12 rep range for two years All right training the you know, 2 to 4 rep range for the next three weeks And then I tell you what like I'm gonna do a shameless plug for us right here This is you're a perfect person You're obviously not on our forum because if you were in your forum like this question We wouldn't even landed on here because we've got enough competitors arias on there You know, we have enough competitors inside our private forum that if you pose this question in there You would get such a great intelligent conversation between all of our forum members that are all competitors themselves Or have understand the science like we do and so man You want a great discussion around this and ideas the forum is a very valuable place for these type of topics Next question is from jm 55987. What are the pros and cons of weekly versus monthly fasting? Also, does sleeping count towards time fasted? Uh, the second part. Yes, that's an easy one sleeping does count. That's why when you eat breakfast in the morning It's a break fast. That's why it's named breakfast. I like this question So but the first part is a good one. So so i'm gonna speak on just my own personal anecdote um, I Started using fasting as part of my dietary protocol for health Uh, I want to say now it's been at least five years where I've kind of messed with it and it started by You know, I read the book the warrior diet and I would do these 24 hour Fast where I would only eat at like 7 p.m. At night So I'd go all day without food Eat at 7 p.m. And I did that for a while like that's just how I ate for a very very long time um, and then I Experienced and then I started experimenting with like a 48 hour fast and then recently a 72 hour fast Which now the way I do fasting now is I eat Uh, probably two or three meals a day on normal days and then once a month I do a 72 hour like it's like a 60 to 72 hour fast Uh, right around the beginning of the month Now comparing that to doing the fasting every day Um, I personally find it superior. I do Oh, I I think I have an argument to why that it is That we that a lot of these intermittent fasting people that sell sell intermittent fasting and push it hard I do not think that it's a if you're trying to get the benefits from it Like there's not all the health benefits the fat loss benefits the growth hormone the neurogenesis all these things A lot of these benefits are coming from it being like a new stress on the body It's not used to not eating for 20 hours. Whoa. This is weird. This is different So our our body tries to adapt and part of that adaptation process are a lot of positive things If I throw that at the body every single day What makes me think that the body won't Normalize itself and start to regulate and doesn't mean that you still won't see bit positive benefits But I would think or I would speculate that it would start to diminish And by doing more like a prolonged fast like you do Once once a month and it's a bigger stress because you're going 72 hours I would argue that that is a much better strategy than an intermittent faster who intermittent fast every single day So so I for those reasons. No, I I used to think the same thing and then I've I've heard dr. Walter Longo talk about fasting and Every time he's been on a podcast or talk to anybody They'll bring that up and say, you know fasting is it benefiting the body because it's a stress on the body And it causes adaptations and he actually gets upset and he's like no, it's not a stress on the body You know, I didn't want to it's not it's not a stress. I understand that it's not it's not a stress Well, so so the way he explained it is there's a Us not eating the body responds to that he calls it a separate like another operating system Now here's here's my belief on the frequent fasting versus the less frequent fasting There are specific benefits that really amplify Only during prolonged fast and don't really happen in a 15 to 20 hour fast And you can only get those benefits with like a 48 or 72 hour fast and some of the benefits Are on these really long like seven day fast that I don't I'm not recommending But in certain cases may be beneficial So I was missing those benefits because I was only doing You know 16 to 24 hours every day and not getting the benefits of the problem one. Here's the other thing too There is a little bit of an anabolic benefit from eating more frequently than once a day So maybe two or three times a day So there is a little bit of truth to the whole Eat more meals throughout the day, but it's like, you know, maybe every six hours It's not like every other hour type of thing Now personally, I've noticed this where I do the 72 hour fast. My body goes catabolic I'm definitely flat afterwards. I don't have the greatest workout when I come right out of it But about four or five days into refeeding. I have like the best workouts on my life So it's like I'm going shifting from catabolic to anabolic And towards the end of the month when I haven't fasted for an entire month I can I can I'm starting to tell that I need it more often Now if we were to examine how fasting has been used historically Historically speaking fasting has been done more along the lines of what I'm doing now So if you look at like religious religions and cultures, they'll typically apply a long fast At a structured, you know time like, okay, you know, three days of fasting and then back to your regular whatever And do that on a on a on a regular basis type of deal. So the daily daily fast on a consistent everyday basis There's I guess there's benefits to that as well, but I feel better doing using it more as like a tune up Yeah, yeah, which which is a lot of how I kind of approach it Where I've actually noticed I got so into fasting when I first Um kind of came across it that it was such a new thing to me It started to creep in and become more of a lifestyle thing. So it was like Oh, well, I'm just you know, I'm just gonna fast and then I'll eat at night And that's it and then that became almost like monthly Like it was like four or five six months go by. I'm still in the same exact schedule And not realizing that man, I'm like Anecdotally fully adapted to this my my opinion is that if it's not if it's not hard for you at all And it's really easy. It's you're probably getting less benefits. Oh I don't agree. Yeah. So I've got these people that I talk to all the time. They're like, oh, yeah And it fast every day. It's like, well, dude, it's not hard to go 17 hours without food. It really is not No, once you break that that that point where it's like, you know, it's not like you get past all the social stuff With it you get past like all the the hunger pains, whatever it is That's like the signals you kind of work your way through now for me like reintroducing like breakfast has been a challenge And it's something that I adamantly do purposely because I'm like, I want I want to run off that other operating system So I want to go back to that and go between both of them I feel like the people that gravitate towards these daily or weekly fast. It's because it's already natural for them They're already a breakfast skipper. They're already. Oh, I don't really eat till noon anyways And I heard all this great research about fasting So I'll just go till two now and now I'm intermittent fast. You're not challenging yourself You're not getting shit from that. It's so little what you're getting from that Like if you really that person I feel like needs to challenge themselves and go to like a 24 or a longer fast Or just start eating breakfast even all right. Yeah, exactly You know how actually the funny thing is the vast majority of clients that I used to get especially in the early days of personal training The vast majority of them only ate one or two times a day Usually remember that you especially back in the day when before it was sold That's still the national average is two times a day. Yeah, so it's not like way Crazy that you you know, you skip breakfast type of deal on this like awesome thing I think the prolonged fast probably have more of a benefit And the cool thing is you don't have to do them very quick very frequently The bad thing is that they're hard, but even like I said from an evolutionary standpoint I'm pretty sure and I'd bet money on this of course There's no way of telling we'd have to have a time machine But I'm pretty sure you know prehistoric humans or you know ancient humans Didn't have a structured fast at particular times every single day I think the probably the way it worked out was it's just scarcity when they had food They ate it and they ate it when they wanted to and then there were times when they didn't have food And then they didn't call it fasting. They just we don't have food to now. We have buffets and brunch Yeah, exactly My experience is the clients that I have trained have had the most success doing the opposite of what they do normally So if you're somebody who only eats once or twice a day and you're already a meal skipper Guess what those people when I push them to five or six meals a day Saw huge benefits because they're so used that's that's their norm for them So me by making them separate their meals out and pay attention and weigh and measure all stuff like that It was a game changer for those people the people that like my bodybuilder friends Competitors my peers and that that already do that six meals a day. Guess who benefited the most from intermittent fasting Yeah They were so scheduled and regimented about always eating every two hours when I shook that up and said guess what? You're not gonna eat anything today Their body fucking responded and they felt it and they saw it And so I think if you people naturally gonna gravitate to what's the easiest path Well, it's probably not the most beneficial path for you So if you're already somebody who's a skipper and you don't eat very much Well, then intermittent fasting weekly or daily for you. You're probably not getting a lot of Yeah, take it to the extreme like you can tell an anorexic to fast and get lots of benefits That's what they do all the time. Right, you know, take it to that, you know, for me personally Uh, the way I'm doing the fasting now is the single most effective thing I've ever done And when I say single most, I don't mean it's the most effective thing. I think I mean, it's the one it's it's one thing that I did I just changed one thing. So it's like I drastically changed everything. All I do now is I fast for 72 hours Once a month and it's by far of all the individual things I've ever changed in my lifestyle By far it's produced the bet the biggest benefit like I can't Speak enough about how dramatic the the benefits been to my Inflammation my digestion the way I eat I was pretty good at intuitive eating before But that's taken it to a completely different level because you go three days without food Uh, you break a lot of those chains you start to you know, you reset your palate every month and every single month It's like I'm adding upon I would argue you're more receptive to what your body actually is, you know Need of it's great. And I don't know if I'm going to do it every single month forever I'm just doing it now and I'm feeling great from it What I'm probably going to do is I'm going to what I think I'm going to do and I've already thought about this I'm going to do this for a few more months And then I'm going to not do a 72 hour fast every month But I'm going to skip a month or skip every two months And I'm going to do like a five day fast and see how that feels because I have yet to do one of these Really long fast where you're going for almost a week and then I'll report back and let everybody know what it's like Next question is from autumn wind 69 Doctors want to put me on antidepressants, but I refuse They say my serotonin levels are low without actually running any kind of tests What are some natural ways to boost my levels assuming they are low? Wow, that's that quick to go straight to that. I'll just without even taking a test There are no tests. Are we not going to talk about it? Sounds like an awesome douche Autumn winds. Yeah Go ahead. That's our boy, dude. Yeah. So To first off, we're not doctors. We don't deal. We're not psychiatrists or psychologists. So Our opinion is based on our own personal experience as uh fitness professionals There are no tests for serotonin levels that I know of so they can't really test you To see I don't think they know what a normal amount of serotonin is in the body and and even if they did I couldn't imagine I mean with the individual variances and how many receptors you have and all that stuff There's so many things that can influence how how serotonin actually affects you But here's the thing Sunwater rest. Yeah most that's great. Most serotonin is produced in the gut By far the vast majority of the serotonin serotonin that's circulating in your body Is produced in your gut. So number one I would say look at your gut health If you have if you can really remedy your gut health, make sure you have excellent gut health Practice, you know eating the right foods Practice some fasting may actually be help may actually be helpful Avoiding foods you're intolerant to allowing your gut to your gut microbiome to become more Diverse and more healthy. So it produces more serotonin That should make a difference and studies are starting to show That that does in fact Make a big difference. Well talk a talk a little bit about how does someone start about looking at like so Advice I give when someone's like well, how do I improve my gut health or how do I know what's good or bad or what I should stay Look at the things the things that you do most look at the thing the things that you drink or you eat The most in your diet and evaluate that and see what it looks like and and you know I'm sure I know erin and I know erin knows like what is good for him and what's not good for his body And assess what you may be potentially abusing as far as intake here So I would look there and then I would go sun water sleep fasting So those those four things I think and I and I would I would try and improve upon all four of them just a little bit Like if you're somebody who like and these are all close to me right now being somebody who is You know just coming out of you know kind of feeling depressed because of my hormonal levels and My injury and all this stuff like that This has been like these have been like the four that I've been a major focus to me and I just Try and practice little habits for example when I get home I get home sometimes in the afternoon like three or four o'clock in the afternoon and I'm not done working. I can get on the computer and I'm dealing with apparel stuff and whatever I have Shit to do always but I've now trained myself to especially right now the time of the year Is to walk into my backyard and sit down and either work on my computer Katrina And I were doing this yesterday together because she came home and worked early with me And I said let's do I do this on the in the backyard So the sun's just kind of hitting on me and I'm just I'm just getting getting that exposure that I've now neglected As an adult that don't get it like I used to get it as a kid And I just feel so much better after I've sat out in that sun for a half hour or hour or whatever Sun raises serotonin. Oh man. It you it does it improves my mood. I can feel it instant instantly and then You know, make sure you're getting sleep If your sleep is deprived and you're fucking and you know, there's tools like we we talk about brain fm on here If you have a hard time calming down and doing that like that's a that's an option for you to go that route I mean find ways to improve upon those four things first before you start taking some sort of a pill You know, I meant I mentioned fasting. Well, well, I knew there was some studies on fasting and depression I just wanted to make sure that there were those studies and sure enough There was a study done in 2009 On fasting for depression and they found that fasting alleviated depressed depression symptoms And improved anxiety scores in 80 percent of people in just a few days So so and that has to do with gut health So I would say look into fasting After you come out of the fast eliminate, uh, you know highly processed foods Eliminate foods you think you're intolerant to which may include things like gluten Dairy, maybe some nuts soy So try to eliminate those foods so you're in you're only eating foods. You're not intolerant to You're not eating highly processed foods get sunlight lift weights Weight training, uh, you know, I would say weight training is probably better than other forms of of exercise on a long-term basis for mental state because resistance training Sends a signal to build muscle which means you need to be in this anabolic state Which typically means you need to your body will raise anabolic hormone levels Which also tend to be the feel-good hormones of the body so more testosterone for example And better growth hormone levels tend to make people feel better Mentally as well. Don't eat and go squat in the sun. You have squat in the sun, right? No, really. Yeah, don't go for you do a fasted workout squat in the sun. Tell me how you feel afterwards You know Doug just corrected us on there's there is a test for testing. Yeah, but I don't think it's it's very It's not accurate. No, here's the problem. If they could they could test your serotonin levels in your body I don't think we know what a normal I was gonna say everyone's so different variables and maybe I think they may be doing it to Look for tumors and stuff. I think that's how we gotta have we have to know like the healthy range It's got to be something similar like because are like for like testosterone like it's You know, we're all hormonally different. There's a range, right? There's got to be a range of serotonin That's well, then there's receptors in the brain that react to serotonin like here's because say so here's how Anti-depressants work they don't raise your serotonin levels they They reduce the amount of serotonin that's being re uptake re re-uptake by the brain So it increases circulating cell or serotonin levels because it's reducing how much is getting reabsorbed So it's not that it's raised your your how much serotonin you're producing It's just making more of it available within the brain. But again, man changing your diet Um, well, and what's what's there? You're it's produced. What's the reason though that you lean away from that and not going that direction though You mean the testing? Yeah. No, no, no, no as far as using the antidepressants Oh, well when you explain why that wouldn't be good. Well any to so here again I'm not a doctor but from my experience with clients and stuff and from talking to people who've taken them They have their own side effects weight gain They can cause you know, sure you're depressed. You're not going to be as depressed, but it also may blunt The how happy you get so you kind of get this new middle with less lows, but also less highs People, you know, I know people who see like say they felt kind of like zombified on them I know other people who said they've been, you know miracles for them and they've they've done a lot of things Here's my my view my view is this and and i'm pretty consistent with this If you have a health issue or something and you can remedy it through Lifestyle changes natural lifestyle changes. I feel like that's superior to Trying to remedy I believe we all owe it to ourselves to apply that first Because I'm not I'm not anti All western medicine and I don't think I think there's places for and I too have had clients that had great success with it But personally it myself if I was training a client, I'm going to go after all like the things that we name I'm going to try and help teach my client to implement some of these little strategies to improve their sleep Improve their gut and improve their exercise all these areas that I know Can improve this by itself and we're going to do that for and then if I still feel like we we're just not getting anywhere Then maybe that's where I would go that route, but I most certainly would at least check off all those boxes Yeah, you know, I agree But you know don't feel bad if you don't too like it requires more a lot of work You know if for somebody to change their diet Change their workout get more sleep Like that's a big-ass overhaul and sometimes you're in a position where maybe you don't you can't do that Maybe you've got kids. Maybe you you know single parent Maybe you're just you're down and you're like you can't even find the energy to change your lifestyle I mean, whatever your the case is there's no there's no judgment here And there's a lot of different ways to to do this But you know the the question was that this person didn't want to take You know these these medications and wanted to try and do it naturally And again, you know Gut health try fasting sunlight sleep and resistance training. Don't overdo anything Take it from there and give yourself some time. I don't think they work right away Although the fasting showed that people felt pretty immediate symptoms But give it some time give it a few weeks and see If you start to feel better But also if you're seeing a doctor over your depression and or at least if you've seen them because it's enough of a problem Where you've brought it up to your doctor Consult with them and let them know what you're doing like let them know say to them. Hey look, um, I'm gonna try Changing my diet exercising. I'm gonna try and see if I can feel better Without having to take any medications Like get there because they know you better than we do you've obviously talked to them They may have better advice. Um, and you may want somebody kind of monitoring the situation because You know, I've known a couple people to deal with depression and sometimes it could take a pretty ugly turn So there you go. Check it out. Go to the app store download our app Mind pump media. You can search all of our shows for specific topics with our free app Go get it now. 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