 Hello and welcome to BIPTV and with me, as always, is transactional analysis to Bob Cook, who's going to be talking about phenomena that every therapist really should know about and that is transference And a little bit of the history of it. So so first of all Bob, what is transference? Okay before I answer that I've put it in the TA made simple lexicon if you like because Transference and the concept of transfers within transaction analysis has its own history so Eric Byrne who was really way back before he you know Thought of TA if you like or created transaction analysis was a Devourity of Freud and of course in the psychoanalytical literature transfers is where the concept begun and transfers in its essence, of course, is the projection, you know a projection of Another attitudes thoughts feelings Onto another person. So for example a client walks in the door and says gosh, you remind me when you smile of my mother And actually more than that. I feel like I'm three my my three-year-old has come out to talk to you Yeah, so we're transferring onto the person through the vehicle of projection. Yes An earlier image and earlier feeling and earlier thought onto the other person So we're not actually seeing the other person. I'm seeing a version of our earlier history in terms of our mother in this case Yes What can what can happen with with transference? What what are they the kind of Covens that people can fall down. Oh fall down while the positive side of Okay, now we've gotten what is called negative transference or the term negative transference when And a really good example of this is and I don't want to get too far away from to make simple Good example is is that when I was in my training at the minster stand in London I was about 37 in object relations quite a well-known Analyst or you she wrote a book on object relations called Levina Gomez asked me if I would like to lie on the couch Oh Analytical couch as an experiment for about three or four minutes as I I laid on the couch and she of course Was behind me keeping out of the field very different from the co-creating relational Today and within about two minutes I'd gone very quickly into paranoia and I transferred my terrible evil Mother on to this very kindly woman actually in reality and I started to regress and I felt very unprotected and also started to experience feelings Negativity and fear which came from another time zone all together and so in and from that fame I was unable to be the age. I was to actually take and You know be in the resources of today So I ended up infantilized and regressed and that was in two minutes. It's amazing, isn't it? And of course what you're explaining there is is that classic Friday and Psycho psychoanalysis. I think it was Dora Freud's Dora eat one of his patients the way he termed the phrase What you're talking about there is is that is the therapist not trying to build at any level of therapy to relationship It was the professional on looker who is just literally observing and analyzing and What can happen is is that people? Go back in time. They they come in Regressed and in your case you went back to a child place a different time zone a different a different reality And I think that's really that stepping out of the field. I think the important thing to mention because when people are in the field Then then they can use the quality of the relationship to sustain and support someone can't we yeah What happened to me is for that two minutes. I Re-experienced earlier trauma that I actually had been been part of 50 or however many years ago it was at that time and thank God I She stopped the experiment and Granted of me in today's reality because I was actually through that regression Feeling an experience to say or reliving the same trauma that I experienced all those years ago Negatively yes That's a bit negatively negatively. So that's that's the negative side of transference. So in terms of in terms of TA We're talking earlier about burn actually allegedly Apocryphally saying that he didn't use that term. How does it work in transactional analysis? Well, okay very very quickly Yeah, I'm 60 to 63. He did say that will not use that word We'll use the word in awareness and and out of awareness Then we are in a you know in awareness in the here and now or we go out of awareness instead of the word Transference, so those transfers did exist. His major focus Was to strengthen the adult ego state Yep, yeah and not to get caught up in long Winded psychotherapy processes where transference was analyzed and taken apart as a way of a way of Getting back to regressive functions. He wanted to strengthen the adult ego state and Used TA words like games and script rather than these transferential words Which were bounded at the day from the psychoanalytical literature so he Used the early TA to concentrate on strengthening our ego state and Invent new language if you like like games and scripts and rackets rather than the psychoanalytical language of the day around transfers I Think that's a real separation isn't it from Burns work and Freud Freud would would have relished the regression On the movement back into a past existence. There's a way of a way of the expert analysing What was happening to the patient where bird was more interested in keeping the person in the here and now the Yeah, and not and he encouraged his Early TA therapists who followed the classical school these classical ideas to Not caught up get caught up in the transference and go back into the child ego state But to stay in in the here and now bit like CPT therapy of today. Yes Wasn't used by the early TA therapists and that's the point I want to make and so if we get to where we are today in 2019 Yep, the training the training is very different The training is very very different. We have a book in 2007 by 2008 by Lena Hargill and Charles Sills called relational transaction analysis Which is basically about how we can use the transference in the here and now and rework the transference For the sake of positive change with our clients Very different. Yes from the ideas of burn 50 years ago Yes, it's almost engaging with the transference where it's at Calling it out, you know saying something like Yeah, I remind you, you know the client says that you remind me of my father and you did the therapist saying I'm not But I'm not your father correct, and you're not eight Correct. So the relational TA therapist of today would use transfers in a very different way And in fact as I said the early burning classical therapist would be encouraged not To think in transferential terms What a difference Types of TA therapists. It's interesting isn't it if you think of the classic Freudian Someone to encourage the transference so that they could get they could in theory get to the root of where the neurosis was the burning Idea of transference which was to to try and get the put into the here and now Yeah, and then and then the relational turn I can dog and I can never pronounce the name I can in the cells to actually meet the meet the meet it head on and Talk about it and say I see that but actually this the reality is in the now. I'm not and you're not Another TA aspect of modern TA therapist is to name counter transfers and to use it as well right To talk about what you know what might be happening for themselves in the co-created relationship and to use Transference and the counter transfers in a positive way in the here and now again. Yes in the source of the client Which is completely different from burns classical ideas of TA It's amazing, isn't it? I'll just one idea a phenomena that exists So we exist it's worth it's worth thinking about it doesn't exist only in the therapy room It exists everywhere in our life everywhere we go. We are amongst transference and counter transference Yeah projection. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's absolutely fascinating. So Bob Cook as always a wonderful Explanation TA made simple as you alluded to earlier on there The fact that it's about this little series about making TA as straightforward as possible And I wonder Bob what sir what is going to be the next the topic of the next? Well, I can tell you now. I think I'm either gonna be TA concept by burn Yeah, talked about enough as far as I'm concerned Which is called script backlash So transaction analysis and the concept of script backlash is probably going to be the next one So you've heard it here first folks. If you tune in again to the next episode You'll you'll find another piece of TA theory Explained in straightforward and easy to understand way and also if you've just seen this video in its as a singular video click on the Click on the video and the playlist and you'll see all the other videos where Bob explains the entire span of transactional analysis from the the Structural model parents adult child right through to all the other theories It's a it's a goldmine and a treasure of TA knowledge and of course, it's all free here on YouTube and as always Bob Cook Thank you very much. Thank you