 Senedd prde Ómd사eth Al格on has said that, due to the worsening in security in the country, where the nation's corporate existence has come under threat. Speaker of the House of representatives Femeig B Glückhewr Biamila, likes him said that Nigeria is under attack. The two principal officers of the National Assembly spoke as President Muhammad I Mah�커 lamented that insecurity and other social voices are challenging Nigeria's quest towards nationhood and threatening the desires to achieve his ambitions for the country. Well joining me to discuss this is Dr Law Mefful, his director of public affairs, Ibu Leadership Development Foundation and also we have Uche Tute, he is a social commentator. Thank you very much gentlemen for joining us. Thank you for having us on your show. Felly, Gweithio'n wneud hwnna'n wneud gydag hynny. Mae'r gwrs Nagorol NYST, y Prif Weinidog Feneru Ffemig bydd cyflwyno yma, phobl eitthod y pethau gweld bod nawr o'r gwendigaethau ar y dwyllgor i'r bydd hynny ei ddim yn weld cwestio a symud hynny'n gwneud, gan hynny, yn gallu ffaintgen iawn i ddim yn gymrydol ychydighaffi. Ond o'r hyn, os yw'r cyfun yw'r gweld o'r twfynnol ac mae'n dweud i'r ysgolion yng Nghaerhau Niddo yn gweithio arall, mae yng Nghaerhau Llangwyd yng Nghaerhau Lleid Gweithio yn ystod o gweithio'r Gweithio, ymgyrch, ymgyrch, ymgyrch, ymgyrch, a'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gwaith, oes mae'n gweithio ar y ffazor, y ffazor yw Borg Passing, a'r ffazor yw Cwlllun? Fy oedd y ffazor Cwlllun, rhai'r ffazor Cwlllun, Rydyn ni'n gallu Iwiwyr nawr wedi'u ffordd hwnnw. Rydyn ni'n gallu bywyr yn ffordd y bydd y bydd yn ymgyrch. A dyma ydych chi'n gwneud y gweithio o'r cymdeilio'r cyfnodau cyllideb, a mae hi'n dweud yn cymdeilio'r cyllideb yn ymgyrch, ond yn ymgyrch i ddaeth ymgyrch yn ymgyrch yn ymgyrch ymgyrch yn ymgyrch, ymgyrch yn ymgyrch yn Iwiwyr, ac mae'r presiden ydych chi'n allu ddweud ac yn tynnu'r nôl yn yna, reinforcepo a busgu sydd wedi'u cyffredin ni'n meddwl, ac erbyn hynny'n gweithio y cyfrif iawn. Mae'r hyn sydd wedi'u cyfrif iawn yma. Mae yma i ymgrifio barach a fyddai'r cyfrif iawn. Yma yw'r ffordd ffyrddion, mae'r cyfrif iawn wedi'u cyfrif iawn yn ei ddweud i'r cyfrif iawn. Mae'r cyfrif iawn yn gallu'n cyfrif iawn. yw'r sefydgliad dylun i'r eich syniad. So dwi yn cael ei… Mae thysgwyl wedi weld beth iddo i ddim yn nhw'n ddigwyr. A y sfaithbeth yma i'r bydd, a'r prosesoedd sy'n ei wneud wahas fyrwyr. Mae ymddir i'r Nicoledau Syaf, mae'n meddwl i'r Nicoledau Sysaf. Roedd yr ymddir yn gweithio yn gweithio'r cyfrifetysgol ac'r ysgwrdd ac yn cyfgawr a'r prosesoedd. Fy edrych yn gallu'r prosesoedd o'u cyfrifetysgol. Ond iawn. Mewnmingau Cyngorau, cyngorau cysylltu, cyngorau nifer, geranau'r wahanol ymwiel, yn odd o'r ddylch ym wythnosau i ysgu sagell o'r newid ac ar gyfer nygirion, ac rwy'n bwynt eich gynul o gychwynwyr. Rydyn ni'n holl bwaith cyngorol, i chi'n mynd i chi'n hyn, ond yma, rwy'n ddefnyddio'n mynd i chi'n cyfrif. Rwy'n cenderill, ychydig yw weithio, ychydig i'r ddiolch â'r ddisgynniad, that the soutners should have been, as the chief of army staff and all of that, but is it really about where the president is from? Is it about the zones? Is it really about the fact that people have said that the president has double standards when it comes to dealing with people from certain other regions of the country as opposed to the people in his region? Or is it just about just people doing their jobs? Whether they are from the North, the South or the East or the West? I'm trying to understand should we just solely put it there and say well that's why we have ethnic tensions is it does not go beyond that. I really wish that was the issue like you know we've given the president six years already to just say you know we've given the benefit of that out appoint competent people. We don't care where you're from or where you're from the south north. For the past six years we've got a nepotistic appointment after appointment and each of these appointments have been incompetent people. Borotai was appointed was incompetent in every formal manner and he managed to stay there as chief of arms himself for six years. The new guy came in and he barely spent like six months on everything and now he's passed away. We've never addressed that issue and no security reports have told us exactly what happened to him. And now we have someone else who is coming and the only reason for his appointment is not necessarily his qualifications because God has shared his resume and there was nothing on the resume. The highlight of his resume is that he spoke Spanish. Do we speak Spanish in Nigeria? Is that our problem right now in Nigeria? There are more qualified, more competent people who are supposed to be appointed who are his senior who were passed over for the job. So what are you saying? You're not appointing the best person for the job. You're not appointing someone because he's from a certain part of the country and he's from a certain religion. That's unfair. That doesn't help. It doesn't help our situation. We need the best person who can provide secure lives and property right now. We are facing attacks from several places. The north east will go around with icewap and all those different things. The north west is banditure and kidnapping. The south east now we have unknown gunsmen. This is in addition to the clashes between the headsmen and the people in the south east and the south west. The south south they have the Niger Delta militants who are still there. They're still revving their guns and waiting to explode at any given chance. So we need someone who can handle the situation on the ground. And we don't have that. I keep asking every time when I talk about the issue of insecurity in Nigeria, I keep asking if really what we're seeing and the responses that we're getting is a show of failure on the part of the president or on the part of the leadership of this country. And I'm talking about both the upper house and the lower house, the governors, the state houses of assemblies. Because of course yes we know that the president is the president of this country and then it's the power at the center thing. We've seen the southern governors take a stand when it comes to banning open grazing. But is that at the heart of Nigeria's problem? Because we have agitations in the south east and that is not necessarily at the heart of the problem of Nigeria. We have several other issues. We have ethnic tensions. We're on the toes. I just finished a conversation with a group of people or talking about a group of people who are asking for self-determination and they are in the southwest. And this is not news, of course. But what is really at the heart of this issue that we are seeing brewing today? Because of course we know we have, like you have named all of the issues, peculiar in the different segments of the country. But what really is at the heart of this issue that we need to address before we start with the other ones? The heart of the issue really is the constitution, the Nigerian constitution which we raised in 1999. It's the big problem. For example, it puts in too much power with the commander-in-chief. He's the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. The governors have no control over police, over army, over no one. They can't do anything. A commissioner of police with orders from Mabuja can refuse to listen to the governor of a state and nothing will happen. So the constitution is not right. It's not working. That's why you're going to have all these nationalism claims, things about state policing. It's too much a responsibility for the federal government and they can't longer handle it anymore. It's beyond that. So we need to talk about this. I'm happy that we're going around the nation talking about the constitutional review right now. People are getting input from all zones, all geographical zones across the nation. Hopefully we'll have something. We can have some kind of amendment so we can have a working solution for us. So we all feel part of Nigeria. It's a secure Nigeria whereby our lives and property are guaranteed. So the constitution is a big problem. Meffo, Lord, thank you for joining us. I want to quickly push you on this same thing. A lot of people still are saying that the presidency and leaders of this country need to address the core of the Nigerian problem before we can deal with other issues that has turned into a hydro-headed monster. What do you as a person think at the core of the problems that Nigeria is facing today, did it start under the Bohari administration or did it just get worse under him and why is it taking so long for it to be dealt with? Thank you for hosting me. I think the problem Nigeria is passing through now is a minority from two essential factors. Number one is leadership. Number two is structure. We don't have the appropriate kind of leadership at all levels because if you have proper leadership in place they will be able to address even the structural problems. We are not able to have this sorted out because the leadership has continued to show a gross level of ineptitude, if I may use that word. Structure is also a big issue because Nigeria is a federal environment. Nigeria is made up of at least 250 ethnic groups speaking about 527 distinct dialects, if not languages, 200 million people. Now you have a constitution 1999 even after amendment, still keeps the federal government with 68 items as exclusive to federal and only about 16 to states on concurrent basis, which means that the federal government can also legislate. Beyond this also, the constitution provides that where the laws made by the states are various with the ones made by the National Assembly, that is the federal government. The laws made by the states are declared incompetent in advance, null and void to the extent of inconsistency with the provisions of the federal law. That's where the problem is. What this means is that we are running a unitary system in a federal environment. When you talk about insecurity, it's expected that there will be insecurity because to secure a place, you need very local content. You cannot bring somebody from Boronau State Canary and expect him to perform wonderfully in a local village in Anambra. I'm by it's not far. These people don't fly in and out of those spaces. They live there. They become a part of that society. They integrate. It should be easier for them. We're not talking about integration here. That's what happens. Our police officers are posted to places and then they finally integrate, even though sometimes they're not allowed to stay for too long, but they find their way around, don't they? Let me tell you. For you to integrate yourself into a place, there are psychological and sociological processes that must take place. You have to learn the language. You have to learn the culture. So you don't just integrate like that without having mastery of the language, mastery of the culture. That's the problem. Now, in all federal environments, everywhere in the world, security is local. You have to have local police, state police, even institutions have their own police. So you do not expect Nigerian police force to effectively police Nigeria from Abuja. It's not possible. That's why we were there, Boko Haram terrorism grew under our nose. Now they are metamorphosing to Banditry. There are other fault lines or government spaces are growing. Go to the southeast, which until two, three months ago was the most peaceful part of Nigeria, is not the home of unknown gunmen. Go to southwest. Go to middle belt. See what the heads men are doing. See, you need to allow people to take charge of their life and destiny. You must allow people to secure themselves. How do you do this? I'm sorry, we do not have so much time, Mr Law. But I'm just curious because we need a solution in the interim while we plan for the future. In the interim, we have pockets of violence almost everywhere. We have governors who have decided to regionalize themselves and take decisions at that level. What do we do in the interim? I'm going to ask my other guest the same question in closing. What do we do to deal with these issues in the interim? We need solutions for the now. The solution is relatively simple. We need to have a national dialogue so that we understand what people really want out of the Nigerian federation. You need that now and it can be done in the next three months. Very, very fundamental. Uche, you just heard him. He's talking about the national dialogue and we've had many. I mean, we've had one under the Barsinger Administration. We had one under the Good Luck Administration that was also tossed. We even have had a national dialogue that was led by the governor of Kaduna State. It's been tossed. It's gathering dust somewhere. We're calling for another one so Nigerians can tell you what they want. What's the guarantee that we can move forward with this? How do we solve what is your solution for this moving forward? My solution is that the present government right now in place cannot do anything. They don't have the lack of capacity, the competency, the intention, the wherewithal. So, even if you give them a blueprint of what to do, they won't do it because it's almost as if it's in their interest that this insecurity pervades our nation. Almost as if it's very deliberate to create a sense of a state of insecurity for them to further their agenda. But I'm sorry, this government actually campaigned because under the Good Luck Administration, they did say that they were going to bring us some sense of security and deal with what's going on. And if you're saying or implying that it seems like they even enjoy, almost enjoy what's happening, that seems to be an opposite of what they actually intended for us in closing. Yes, it is. At this point of time, we speak of the House and the State President should please be honourable men and do the right thing and begin impeachment processes against the President at this point of time. He's in capital of power. He's in capital of security in this nation. Let's remove him and let's have somebody else come in and who can actually secure this nation. All right, Wcetuta and Law Meffo. Thank you very much for speaking with us. We appreciate it. Thank you very much. All right. Well, thank you all for staying with us. We will take a short break now and when we come back, I will give you my take. Here's my take. Here we are again. Talking and jaw-jawing about the issue of insecurity in Nigeria and people asking for good governance. This is the major thing that everyone in any entity called a country is asking for. The reason why people line up under the sun in the rain to make sure that they cast their votes there, they want a better life. And the most constant thing in life is change. And the change that Nigerians are asking for from its leaders is that we stop leaving under some form of a dictatorial rule where only what our leaders want for us should be king. Nigerians are asking for a better life. In other words, they do not want to be wallowing in poverty anymore. They do not want to be living a terrible and hard life. Nigerians are asking that they go to bed with their eyes closed and not worry that somebody is going to come in and slaughter their whole families. Nigerians are asking that we have free, fair, credible elections, that we do not have thugry and ballot box snatching. Nigerians are asking that the basic amenities that every person on the face of this earth deserves should be given. They're asking for their rights to life. They're asking for their rights to associate. They're asking for their rights to be able to speak up and demand the dividends of a democracy because that's what we think that we're running. But all of this just plays out like water on the back of a chicken because it seems like our leaders no longer hear us. So where does this leave us? Where do we go? Who do we call to? America and the UK cannot help us because Nigeria's problems need Nigeria's solutions. How long are we going to keep calling on the UN and calling on the UK and the US? They have their own problems. Do you see them calling us to come and do it for us? So if we have competent leaders, if we have people who really have Nigerians at heart and they promise to lead us, all right, these people need to feel those shoes and begin to act like they really want to push Nigeria to the best place that it would want to be. We cannot keep referring to Nigeria's problems. I mean, I'm looking at history books and some of the things that our leaders complained about 25 years ago were still complaining about it in 2021. Does that not shame us as a country and shame the people who we call leaders? It's time for us to awake from our slumber and do the right thing. I am Marianna Cym, thank you for watching.