 I'll call the meeting for order at 632. We have any additional agenda. Yeah. Yeah. Listers errors and emissions. What? And VLCT passive membership renewal. That's right. Anything else? Scott, you have any additions? I do not. Oh, good. All right. Review of minutes, September 18th. I don't know if that was relevant, but that's he's listed. It appears that he was there. Good catch. It's always relevant is it's not active. The minister not. I can. I'm seeing. So who are we? Are you going to be meeting? Okay. Okay. So I have a couple of things. One small, one big. Top of page two. And I would only say this. Since it's paraphrasing me. I do not use a word impact as a verb. So I would like that to be changed to two examples of organizations affected by flooding. Wow. Is that the big change? That's a little change. The big change is that the motion in that same section does not reflect the motion that, that I actually made and that we passed. And I went back and double checked on the video to make sure that I have it exactly. As it was. And what we actually passed was I moved to authorize the town administrator. And I'll email this to you. The town administrator and the town treasurer to work with down street. Their name. Down street housing and community development. To assign the balance of the revolving loan fund to down street to be used at least in the first three years for loans and grants for affordable housing. So we passed it with some strings on it. Whether, whether we'll be successful in getting those strings formalized or not. I don't know, but that's what we tried to do. Yes. And, and then any final agreement on that will come back to us for approval. I assume that correct. Gina. Yeah. Okay. Anybody else have any. Corrections or. Anything else they want to change. No. I guess we have. We have a second. Second. Any further discussion. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Raise. Aye. Aye. Aye. No. No. No. All right, so let's see. Public comment. Nada. I could make. This is Deb. Fillian. Can you hear me. Yep. Okay. I see. have to come up at the beginning. But if you want to get that out of the way, I could do that right now. And then I would could sign off. So what was done in the air on that merger? What happened is Benjamin McCall owns property on Stony Corners and Benjamin McCall owns property on Pine Ridge. The two have never touched each other, so they weren't contiguous. And then he did a boundary adjustment with a neighbor so that he created a strip of land that does connect the two. And we saw that and thought, oh, now they're all under contiguous ownership. So we made it all one parcel without realizing that in one case, he owns the first with his wife and the second with his mother. So you need both owners to be the same for it to be a contiguous parcel under common ownership. So that was an error that we didn't realize that Brigitte and Linda weren't the same person. So they need to be separated again. They're not under contiguous ownership. Yeah. Sounds good. I know where it is. Yep. Yeah. So that was pretty minor, but yeah, that was just a boo boo. Does anybody have any questions? OK, no, just the name. We know that you have the original document there that does require signature. Yeah, I don't know if you if you just we're just going to sign. I guess they're the new one. Oh, so I'm back here. Yeah, it's on the back board. All right. And I believe we need the day. Which is 10 to 10 to 10. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Deb. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so I took care of that. Thanks, 40. Board work session to discuss zoning administrator interview questions. Potential executive session. I don't think we have to go on the second sessions. Who? I don't know the reason why it's so. Well, I have to. We don't have to. It's it's tough to marry to go into an executive session around hiring so that we can freely speak about what we want to ask the person without them finding out about it ahead of time. And we can also freely speak about what we know about the person and how we want to direct questions to expand upon that knowledge. Well, we're just kind of going to the next question. Maybe. Well, you don't have to. We don't have to. Well, if you want to go into the next session, I mean, we've got executive sessions coming up anyway. So I think it's just what we want to mean. We can't really do I assume that we have a candidate waiting for us. Not yet. I don't know what else this matters. We have not seen her come in. So it's just her. Yeah. Oh, it's supposed to be an interview. It's 45. Well, that's OK. Well, let's go in the executive section now because we're going to have to be in the executive session in the interview and we have to do it on the. We're coming out of the executive session at 740. I move to authorize the town administrator to offer the candidate the zoning administrator position. I will second that. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it. They do have it. Oh, so the next item on our agenda is discussion with REC board. Consideration of new bank account for recreation board payments. B.S. square. Could I make sure that both of you are signed in? Thank you. Is your soccer going to play? There's a big credit. Is that what's there? There was a huge trap. Yeah, great attendance. Look, I think Michelle, is that you on the phone? Thank somebody's on the phone. I see she's on. She may be on mute. Or she is on mute. So what's the opening salvo here, so to speak? Yeah, so I'm Mike Landenberg. I recently joined the recreation board. And so essentially, we hold items that we're looking for your support. And one is to adopt a draft cash receipt policy that will be applicable for the business of the recreation board. And then the second piece would be to approve the opening of a logistical bank account. That would be for a receipt of recreation board funds for registration fees, sponsorships, also proceeds from concession sales. And the piece about the square app. So we use this. You probably all interact with it at some point from some restaurant or something you've been to, the particular application that allows us to point a sale application. Square cap. Square, yeah. So we use it now, but we only do cash. And in order to enable electronic payments, it needs to be connected to a bank account. So that's sort of the backstory of that piece of it. And a lot cleaner. Yeah, way cleaner, yeah. And so those couple of priorities are intertwined in the cash receipts policy was identified as a need with Gina and Michelle. It was something that we needed to get sort of cleaned up. And so we've worked with them over the last several weeks to come up with a sort of final proposal for that. So you're just going to use, is that a paper receipt? Or what are you talking about, cash receipt? So electronic? Cash receipts policy that I'm talking about. Or you just need the policy. Yeah, right. Basically just dictates, like, how is a recreation board going to handle funds that are changing hands with the record business? It was just that she can't hear us. I'm not sure. Is there? Oh, maybe I'm muted on that. Oh, Michelle, can you hear us now? Yeah, captions are working. For the basis for the new policy, there's the existing cash receipts policy, which is admittedly a little bit outdated. So we amended that and adapt this to be just for the recreation board. So you should see some general similar language in format, but with electronic payments like referencing square and record members only. Oh, I'm sorry. Are you amending an existing cash receipts policy for the recreation board? Or is it creation of any policy that is only applicable to the recreation board, not amending the town's existing policy at all? OK. What type of funds do we talk about in a typical year? What kind of money do we bring in? Ballpark. Is under the select board itself? It's those money. What, 4, 5, 600,000? Maybe 6,000? All programs, all concessions. OK. So that's from the same time. I'm going to say what time you have. That's not for you. Always in plain figures. But it doesn't. OK. I was struggling. Yeah, we're going to go to love. That's really realistic. OK, thanks. And what happens to that money? I can't remember. The current money that we take in? Yes. So for concessions money, it's a lot of checks. A lot of cash, no checks, very few checks. They do account at the end of the night. They drop in a safe, they'll come by. I have a code to save the keys. Michelle has the code and keys. And then I will take the money, count it myself, attach any documentation from it. Right now we're using Square, all transactions run through Square, sort of the receipt and the reports we can run directly from Square as the support for the deposit. Then I'll bring it into Michelle. Right now, unfortunately, has the recount. And then she'll send the semiconductor deposit. Part of this, I think, is also adoption of a. And then I want to get certainly back into this town. That's where it goes. Yeah, and you go to the county. OK, because I know that we paid the bills. It didn't used to be that way. But I know that we took over paying the bills. And so I just wonder where that fund wound up, that cash. Yeah, it all goes back to the federal fund. It's supported as a revenue. OK, yeah, OK. Sound good. And so what problems would this proposed policy solve? It would reduce the amount of actual physical cash cut. Ideally, I'm going to be in a car, so I don't need to collect cash and bring it in. I mean, there's going to be some, there's going to be many less. It also, again, with it can do all my registrations, it's going to be paid via car through the square app. So again, people sign up for soccer. They're ready to check the town. They handed to a number of people either at the town school. Some people drop out of the town office. Yeah, to me, some people have coaches. Yeah, collect it, count it. Yeah, bring it here again. Yeah, get an account. And instead, it's just it's instant. And it's the account for it. Yeah. And also, I mean, we're going to be increasing revenue from concessions. Because a lot of people don't have cash. Yeah. Yeah, right. So square is your go-to. And the good thing about square is that it's reporting as well that they can use, that Michelle will use, they will use as well. And why is it separate bank account, do you think? I guess so. Michelle just wanted it separate because it is linking into square, so it's not going into the town's main account. OK, so given what we've gone through, yeah, we just wanted to have that segregated. That's going to meet all the standards from our external auditors. Sure, so I think you should make it back to the law. He used to work for Solvent Power. All right, most of the great gardens that we're going to use are 30 cents and 2%? 2.9% and 10 cents, or maybe 30 cents. So 2% plus? Yeah, it's like 2.9% plus 10 cents per swipe. Oh, wow. But I looked at the numbers for concessions for last year and I think, honestly, I think we'd make it up on volume. Yeah, because people, it's a lot easier to swipe that card than to actually hand over cash. So it's better than Venmo, right? Because Venmo, you don't have to. No. You can start with Venmo with the cash. Venmo doesn't charge, does it? Yeah, right, it's a point of sale, you know. All right. Not 80% of these people are going to be there and the other people are not going to hand over. Yeah, well, I don't know. So how will these cash transfers work? Oh, they're hand over. So we're going to have cash to policy detail of how your expectations for the record for accounting for cash and recording. But I would say generally, this initiative will just reduce the amount of cash changing hands by a lot. By the way, if change is hands, will it be the same as currently? It'll define time lines when cash is turned over after an event. OK, right now there isn't anything that's just as soon as possible. Right, so what this says is no more than two business days from receipt of cash payments. In general, this will help. Michelle has worked with them on creating this policy and also on a sheet that they'll use to reconcile. So it's been a great dialogue and conversation to get everybody on the same page, probably something that hasn't really ever happened or hasn't happened in the recent past at least. So it's really been a good process, I think, for everybody to go through. And who will have access to this newly created bank account to be able to withdraw funds? Well, Michelle and I are the only signers on the account. We'd be the only signers on the account. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah. OK, let's go. Work? I mean, your motion was, I think, probably good. Yes, second, I'll say the policy that I presented, record, cash receipts, and credit card remittances, whatever, policy. I blame the verbiage it was to approve the policy I presented. I think so, too, yeah. I think this has much more concise. I know with the federal lab. The recreation, cash receipts, policy. Yes, I believe it would be a proper, verbiage rule. OK, well, it did a zero on cash receipts. I mean, it doesn't even have a charge of those. But thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll second that. OK, whatever it was. Any more? Not my name. Thank you. I'll take this here. I have. OK, thank you for coming in. Thank you for taking initiative. Thank you for doing all that work, actually. OK, have a nice rest of the night. Take care. See you. Oh, was that? We're chasing your life. We weren't like this. She knows what they might be meeting on discussion. I thought the funding. Yeah, so I can. I've given you a lot of information like I like to do. Yeah, I can summarize this. Essentially, the town can. Give money to nonprofits. Essentially, the way we have elected our ARPA funds gives the town. The authority to spend money as you would. So if you would ordinarily authorize, you know, if Twin Valley came to you with the request, so we're well, four corners. We have a real life example of it, right? Four corners came asked for $30,000 to help with an issue in that building and you authorize that spending. So just as you would do that on a regular basis, you can likewise use ARPA funds to do that as well. Right. And as soon as we cut the check to them, then we have authorized the spending and done the spending. And you're done. We're done now with that fire truck. It's just written to check for the fire truck. The one you just talked about. Well, I mean, that goes to the cap reserve. But yeah, I mean, well, technically you could give them the 116 and then wouldn't it take them out of the cap reserve? We saw that money. We certainly could. The select board can certainly choose to do that. That's right. It has a little off topic, but yeah. Well, no, it's just provision. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But if you would like to open up opportunities for local nonprofits to then the question is, how would you like to do that? Yes, well, that was a thought of it. Thank you for the additional research. And it has clarified the conditions according to what I've understood, we've already been told. But if there's any question at all, then it needs to be double checked. And I appreciate you're doing that. OK, so let's move forward to how we want to include the nonprofits, because that was the question that Gina answered, right? So how do we want to do that? We have already authorized, was it 30,000 to four corners? Right. Yeah, we've already taken care of that. Right. So that makes sense. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So those are the sorts of grants that we've already made. That's a nonprofit. Not really. A municipality. So it is a municipality. But it's different than a nonprofit. Well, it is a nonprofit. It's a nonprofit of the 501P3 organization. OK, you two stop fighting. I just want to move this on. So I would potentially, we could either target an upcoming select board meeting, put a post on farm porch forum. Yes. And I mean, if this is a question for you, do you want to state to East Montpelier nonprofit? Like, you know, for example, and I know Jean Troy came to us probably well over a year ago at this point, came to the board with some opportunity. I'm not sure if they still need support or not. But that would be one, you know, I don't even know how many organizations we have. I wouldn't want to just make calls because there could be one that I'm not aware of that lives. That's any small failure that we would not call. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I do think it would be fair to make a specific call to twin valley senior center for that reason. Oh, she's still there. Denise Wheeler would be the contact right now. He left. He left. It would be Denise Wheeler right now. Well, you could call them if you want. Yeah. So like that's why, because that organization already did contact the select board, but that's the only one that has specifically reached out. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, I think maybe a. Front porch forum post to say, Hey, the. Yeah, it can be the next meeting if you want, or it can be the first meeting in November, whatever the case may be. By that. I mean, we have time. It's not like this is necessarily directly tied to the budget cycle or anything like that. So we have time for this. But. You know, they could come and bring just like what Jean did. I think there were some very, very specific things that I think they built now, but I think they just kind of got something in their minds. And that's, that's, that's a very specific thing. And that's why they are making funding for, leaving the parking lot. Was it the parking? Okay. So. Because each other down. Yep. Right? Is more of Hillier. And it has been popular. Well, let, I think you're raising that as a question. I think that's a question we're discussing. What does even East mob, I mean, I mean, they have an address in East mob. or senior activity center, a lot of people who get books from the Colour Hubbard Library and we already assist those organizations. So do we want to make it broader? No. That's why I want to keep the money in the town. And we can decide anyway. Somebody comes and applies. Community rights is a center of all. We should give them money. They're based in Berlin. Who is it? I'm on the board of this. I chair it. My point is I agree with you. I'll have them come and ask for money. They're not from East Montpelier. That's why I said that. I have no idea what you just said, Scott. In other words, I think it should be East Montpelier based. I understand the library, the Colour Hubbard Library, we all use, but it's not based here. Okay. So you're saying you're against having Community Harvest at Central Vermont to be available. Yeah. So let's advertise because we have the opportunity to vet, but it is going to be East Montpelier. That's why I think putting a post on front porch form. Other people in other communities can technically see that post as well and word can get out. And if an organization comes, it's up to the select board. Absolutely. You hear what they're looking for. Somebody might come with a really good mission that we... Oh, wow. We didn't know about it. In front porch form, host, do you want to state East Montpelier based? Because we could get 30 people showing up. What's that? Well, it does become a slippery slope. And keep in mind we are... I mean, I think it was 38 organizations. I already emailed out that we provide annual funding too. So it will start to get very complicated between this process and that process. And my only concern about this happening right now because that's happening right now at the same time as this. So it may be good to maybe delay this just a little bit for that reason if we can get past that October 20th deadline for those. Because then it will keep a line. I don't want organizations to get confused and write in for ARPA funding and then think they don't need to do that. And then they're scrambling when I reach out to them and say, hey, you didn't send me an application. So I really don't want organizations to get confused. Do it when you think fast. Okay. All right. So I'll get past that October 20th deadline of these and then target a November select forward meeting for... Yes. Okay. And it should be East Montpelier based non-profit. Okay. In my opinion. What's the side of this? Yeah. So, I mean, I don't have strong feelings on this. Mostly been. I just want to nail the field. Demildem gets right to clarify things. So I'm... Yeah. And we don't have to make a final decision. We need to make a final decision about now is what language you'll be using. And I think I'm fine with saying East Montpelier based non-profits. If we get language in for our applications in from somebody else who claims we don't have an address in East Montpelier, but we serve you guys so much we're deserving, we can look at that. We aren't binding ourselves by that language. And two, I think we do need to have some language about how much we might be giving out to each non-profit and how much total we might be giving out in this program. Again, we don't have to bind ourselves, but guidelines. Do you think you should do that? Yes. And so that people know whether to put in an application for a thousand bucks or 30,000 bucks. And we should say, and that this is, we should be specific about this is not for ongoing operations. This is for special projects. Oh, shit. I don't have enough time to write that ad. No, the specific project. I just don't see the point of putting it. If they want to put it something in for a million dollars, they want to put it in. Yeah, that's what I say too. We have the opportunity to do... I don't think it's helpful to say, do whatever you want. I think it's helpful to give guidance and say, this is how much we want. What kind of guidance would you put in? I have no idea what these projects would be. Maybe it's something that's really valid for 25 grand. But I don't know what criteria you'd put in because I have no idea what the problem is. Well, we know it's not going to be more than however much is left in our uncommitted output fund. So what is it for? 50,000? If you wanted to give it an amount, it would probably be better for... I mean, Chair Gardner just made a comment this evening about a check that's in the warrant that you're going to look at in a little bit for $115,000 towards a fire engine. So we probably need to take another look at the ARPA funds, discuss where we didn't really do that when we had that hearing. We need to take a look at where we are. If the select board would like to reclassify and assign those funds to ARPA for the fire engine, that's something we can certainly do. That will make a dent in the remaining funds. And it may help guide, Carl, what you're saying of coming up with. What is it? Is it $50,000? Is it $20,000? What is the total bucket that the select board is comfortable saying that you would be willing to... I don't like the expectation of we're setting aside $50,000 and then we end up giving zero because we don't feel it's either valid or they're not really based here, they're kind of based here. And then you say, well, you said 50 grand and you're not giving anything. You can say up to. That's very easy language to include. If I'm a non-profit and I'm going to put my effort into writing an application. They don't have to write an application, just show up. I want to and if I'm going to put my effort into coming to a meeting on a darn Monday night, I'm going to want to know, okay, what are we talking about here? Do I have a possibility of getting $1,000 or $30,000? And what are you looking for? I think it's up to us to set some guidance saying this is the sort of thing that we're interested in funding. I don't want to fund the salary of the executive director, for example, but I'd be happy to consider funding for emergency remediation of mold damage. Well, it does make sense because it would help narrow down applicants and interest to be more specific. Would you like to review maybe at the next meeting where we are with ARPA discuss? I can put some of these items on the table. We've thrown around ideas, for example, the emerald ash borer project. We could just assume twice the amount of that from last year. We could, we know the $30,000 for four corners. I could put the fire engine on that list and we can kind of say, okay, here's what we have left. Here are some potential items that could be used or ARPA funds could be used to fund these particular items and the select board can then make a decision because I'll need to know that decision anyway as we get into the first quarter of next year. Well, when I have to report to the federal government through March 31st, where I'm going to need to know some of these answers anyway, if the funds have been expended similar to the fire engine. So you can start making those decisions. What are the cons for putting the fire engine or using the funds for the fire engine? We already voted, the townspeople already voted to give the fire department $133,000 to put towards the fire engine, but we could just take, instead of taking the money out of the capital account. What would be the cons of using ARPA funds? There is one. It just leaves the money in our capital reserve. It's all a shellgate. It's not available somewhere else, but it would help our capital. So we should do that, right? Well, it depends. I mean, if we think that we want to help a million dollar expansion at the Twin Valley Senior Center and we want to say to townspeople, hey, we're taking this out of the federal ARPA funds, then we want to preserve as much of them as our left as we can. I don't think we want to do that. I just think we're not getting very many applicants, but anyway. It seems like we should. We already had a hearing. We had nothing. I mean, we didn't need to be involved in one of that. Just seems like the time is running out and slowly to use the ARPA funds. No, it's not. If there's not a bad reason to use ARPA funds to pay for items that would have otherwise been charged to the capital reserve, results in those funds being available for a future use next. To support an organization, correct? We spent $133,000. So why doesn't it go away? Maybe not buying the fire truck with ARPA funds. Well, we just thought. No, I just thought. Yeah. Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah, I just had a brainstorm. So what we could do is we could say we're willing to give away $50,000. We have that money. I know we haven't left to a non-profit or a couple of non-profits or five non-profits. So we'll set a $50,000 limit on the ad. Up to $50,000. Yeah, up to $50,000 is available. I'll vote this. Okay. I don't think we should have any expectation. I kind of agree with you. I'm just trying to keep... Okay. I'm trying to find the middle road. This is what some chairman do. That's okay. We don't have to always agree with that. Yeah, I mean, I can't be honest, too. I don't believe this. God, I'm with you. God, I'm with you. I'm okay. The select worth and visions of $50,000. But I'm just saying that if it came down... Up to. Yeah, if it came down to a public shop, it'd be nice to keep that money in town or doing a highway garage. But thinking about how it's people that came to the hearing, there's some talk about non-profits. So it's like, maybe we should throw the dog a bone, so to speak, or give away $50,000 to a really deserving non-profit. Listen to the point of wise constituents. Wow. Listen to consistency. That's all I'm going to say. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not throwing any dog bones. I'm listening to constituents. Yeah, I'm listening to constituents. I'm not saying anything about wisdom. That's what's sitting potentially allocating up to. Yes. I still vote against it. I still vote against it. But that's the language I was using. If I was going to be in favor of it. Okay, sounds good. We don't need to make any decision tonight. We're going to look at new numbers at our next meeting and then make a motion at that time. Is that correct? That's fine. Okay. Without overburdening. That's true of me. Yeah, that's true of me. Is it our next meeting that you're talking about? Yeah, I think it would be helpful. Sure, sounds good. Let's see where we stand. All right. All right, we're almost on time. 10 garage project update. We have pictures right here. This is a result of a couple of us going up. Obviously, the one shot we have already read is. Is a new one for both. The other building that's going to remain intact. The one that's building on the left? Yes. Is it the armed dog? Could we maybe make the presentation? Oh, it's the presentation. Yeah. Is there a presentation? Well, it doesn't. The steps are all going to make for the presentation. I think we should double. I think we're going to have. I thought we probably put it up on the screen just so that other folks would see it. Well, I probably should talk about the Wednesday's meeting. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of which, that was a warrant meeting even though we and we ended up having only two people come to it, but it was a warrant meeting. Gina, did you take the initiative to write minutes that we got together and there wasn't a quorum and put them up somewhere? Or should we do that? Okay. I think we need to do that. It seems silly, but are you okay with doing that since it's very perfunctory? Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. Okay. So, Carl and I met with a Dory Arrowhead. There's a Arrowhead. Dory. Arrowhead. Wetlands. Yeah. And we didn't really, I wasn't clear about where the proposed garage was. I thought it was on the existing site in back, but it wasn't back, but it was up to the town trail in the town forest, 600 or something feet, which we didn't walk all the way up to, but as we're walking up there, we called Guthrie and he told us where he was thinking, but there was no flagging done and I wish there had been, but we walked out there and obviously it's a wetland or streams on both sides of us. There was huge pine trees that would need to be cut down. There was a road that would have to be built. The lady is like, what? Right? Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I didn't know this was going to be out here. I didn't know this was a proposed site. So anyway, she was kind of like, this doesn't look very good. So then we walked down the bank in the back of the garage and she showed me where we could expand the footprint a bit without going to the wetlands and she put up some flags to show where we could measure from to bottom of the bank and gave us the standard for wetlands and measuring to the top of the bank of the stream and blah, blah, blah. So at the end of the conversation, I was like, well, we'd like to see if we could fit it in on the existing site. That would work a lot better. May I make a slight addition to that? Sure. That is, Dory was very professional in, as a wetlands consultant, not telling us, I don't think that this is a very good idea to put it out way back 600 feet, but she did delineate the costs and the difficulty of building a road back that far. She did later on say, look, I'm chair of the select board in my town. And I just want to say also that, if I may say that, that the townspeople in my town would not be happy about the town forest being built on for a town approach. So anyway, so then John and I and Guthrie and Gina went up and we came up with a different proposal, which is the red, you can see where the new garage would fit like that. And seemed like that was a really good idea. And the requirement would be that we'd have to eventually have to take down the current garage. Yeah, we got to take down the current garage. Well, construction is happening. Yeah. And then the equipment would be stored where? The equipment would be outside for some, but it would have to be done quickly. You have to have a hard and fast construction gate, take down the old one. It's got to be taken down by April 30th and start construction May 1st or something like that. That's what I would do if I was doing it. And then you could throw it up pretty quickly if you had everything lined up. There's some opportunity potentially to use the existing fire department? Well, we own it. So we're already using, we're using two bays, but our equipment doesn't look fitting. No, the trucks went very well. But it couldn't be a base of operations. If I was in a position to build that, that's exactly what I would do. That's what I suggested. Now, the other thing I think we should look at is, I don't know if our money would do this, but we've got to take down that house. So Jeffery's living in right now and that's going to be expensive. So taking that down and getting up that site is going to cost a few bucks. So I don't know. That is something that has been on my radar for a while. We've got expenses in, I think. It's not going to be. It should be. Yeah, I can't for that. That's expensive. That's something we could probably implement right away to try to get an estimate and figure out who's going to do it. And then we can look at that site to put an adjunct building on, which is what I'd like to do for the, any equipment that's not being used in the summer. We can store it there. Also the sidewalk cleaners should go in there. So there's an opportunity to really do something nice right there. We really have to keep that little tractor for the sidewalks here. No, we have to keep it down. That's what we're doing right now. We have a little stores deal, but it'd be nice to put a nice building there. And the other thing that was going to ask the fire department is if it would be handy for them to have their truck or two stored down here, but in that building, because that building's got some issues. The issue is septic, there's no water, blah, blah, blah. So eventually that building could go away if we could do something in the village here. And then we could use that for storage or use a building or use, to get rid of the building and use it for sand or sandpile, whatever. Well, the septic issue you mentioned in general with this plan is something we would likely need to address for the road crew to have. Oh, that of course has to be that. Yeah, facilities to use during the construction of their. Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. That is something that would be high on the list to have to be remedied. But a question for the fire department for using that building is, you know, how does moving equipment down here affect response time to call us? Yeah, but they don't know how to use that equipment much. I don't really know. I mean, are they, would they want to move their equipment all their equipment down here? I mean, I don't know. It's a good question to ask them. I mean, they have had people who live closer to that garage than to this garage and can be active in taking equipment quickly. Yeah, but that I mean, I don't think they're hardly ever using that equipment, but I want to ask that. Yeah, I want to ask. So I just think that is as we move forward with the town garage, we need to also look at that building and also look at down here. So it's kind of a whole, you know, whole, whole plan that's not just on that site. And I just want to mention on this map here, the wetland delineations might be a little bit different than what was actually delineated by the assault that we had by Dory. She was going by map. Right. Yeah. And this is the map that's on the town tax, tax maps. So anyway, theoretically, you're supposed to stay 50 feet back. So it's, first of all, you have to establish the top of bank, the stream. And then the wetland starts from that and that goes until wherever. And then wherever you put, say the marker, you measure 60 feet to give yourself enough room. And that 60 feet goes to the bottom of the bank that you say you fill, you have to measure from the bottom of the bank. So it's a little tricky. And it's not just 50. She said it better go 60 just to give yourself some room. Right. Just to say that. Yeah, I know. I don't know how. This may not be accurate. So we'll have some, it's going to be flagged. And we'll know where we can site that new garage as we move forward. Well, the new garage fits on the existing. Right. But to give yourself a little bit more room, if it was me, I'd put a little more fill as much as I could, give you more room to go around the building and blah, blah, blah. That's an orange dotted line. The orange dotted line is the property. That is the lot that the town owns that. Oh, that's the garage that's on. So they're both on both sides, it's town property. Right. Yeah. It's a town forest north of there. Yeah. And then one of the garages I would assume where the fire department is town property too, I would assume. So that's all town property. Well, yeah, we own that building. But it's just a lot. Yeah, we own the building. Would we still engage Jory to do a wetland stillination to know exactly how far we can go with this or no? Is it unnecessary? It is unnecessary. So we don't need a state permit. We don't need Act 250. All we need is a town permit. We're not going to increase the amount of imperviousness that's there because basically you may extend the bank a little bit to make sure you've got plenty of room to turn in. Sure. So with that proposed location, it does cross the dotted yellow line that we just talked about. Yeah, so I don't know whether we would need to do a boundary adjustment with the town forest lot or whether we can just say, yeah, it's all our way up. Well, we're already crossing it, but in actual operations, we're already crossed that line. That's true. We drive on that property all the time. So essentially, I don't know if it makes any difference. Well, the thing about it is we have to get town permit and address that. But we probably should address it right now because we do have to have it. We have to look at the zoning regulations. I would think you wouldn't want a building crossing. What's that? I wouldn't think you would want the building crossing a property line. I would think you would want the building solidly on a piece of property and maybe go ahead and do that. What is the daughter's line? That's a partial delineation. But we own the property of that. Right. Yeah. Right. So it would be a boundary line adjustment if it's necessary. And I don't know if this theoretically is continuous. It's all. And I'm not sure that we even need a town forest. I guess we're sorry to use. But we got to look at the zoning regulations. We talked about that. Make sure they work. Can I ask one of the questions that you built at? The property is all owned by one. It's the same landowner. Have I just turned it off? And it's continuous. Yeah. Something we probably should have a quick chat with the town forest committee about. Well, they won't know. You have to don't be administrative. Just let them know that, hey, we've been. The town forest plot has been improperly delineated for a while. This isn't really being used as town forest. And we're going to make it that property. I don't know. It just seems clean if the same sorts of activities are on the same lot. And then we've been encroaching on it for decades. Yeah. And they say no. Oh, shit. Anyway, that's the that's the proposal that it seemed like it would work. So we're going to move ahead. So what we'll do is to do the RFP. So would you like me? I have not reached out to Kathleen yet. That's latest information. So I reached out to Kathleen. Kathleen asked her to revise her draft based on this new information. And then circulate that to the two of you and Guthrie and get feedback. And we can hopefully bring then a proposed RFP for then the select board to review prior to any publication. Now, the only other caveat is Andy Chagirl and some may be supported. Yeah. So Andy Andy wrote. Did you write everybody? Oh, he wrote you as well. Yes, Andy. You want to go present it? Oh, I don't care. And Andy wrote to Seth and me and said, Hey, how would you like me to participate with the town garage activities? I'm offering on behalf of the Energy Committee to participate on a volunteer basis to be on the Garage Building Committee and assist with all aspects of getting it designed and built that are in my realm of expertise. And he points out that the sooner that someone with an energy perspective gets involved, the better. And I read this and then I looked at this picture and I thought, I wonder if he would have had useful comments about the orientation of the building from an energy perspective, for example. Probably he would have bowed to the site constraints because I remember him consulting on my house, which is oriented with a short end towards the south and saying, we can make solar work even with a short end oriented to the south. But anyway, the sooner the better. And his top qualifications for the design team would be familiarity with high performance buildings, with town garage facilities, not being attached to a fancy look unlike the fire station and enough horsepower and time in their schedule in-house to get it done in a timely way. So if he wants, if we do want this participation, he needs to be kept abreast of what's going on and what will be going on. And this gets back to then likely a committee would need to be formed. I think we decided that if we had a town employee who was contacting other townspeople that- That was not going to be efficient and I do not have time to do that. Okay, so let's just wait. We're going to meet with Kathleen Jen, right? You went on? Yeah, we can. If Gina sends her a message that we're ready to do the RFP and she can draft up something, we'll meet with her. And then we can have Andy also, he can help with the RFP if he so chooses just to get the energy language correct in the RFP and then we'll just go from there. And we'll have him involved in the RFP and just see what happens. So I think that's what we should do and we can just- meet with him and send him an email. So he'll be in the loop on all the RFP processes and- Well, we'll see how he responds to that idea of him being involved in the RFP. Because I don't want to drag it out where he's going to do- I don't know what he's going to do, but- The challenge is also going to be when we then engage the architect. This is where a committee is going to play. What we're describing of having a town employee be the one to communicate with a bunch of people, go back to a contractor, get information, communicate with them. It's that is not the way you run a project like this. That's where your committee becomes your project team. That is the group that's working directly with. So all stakeholders need to be involved. Having one person run around and ask questions, I've never in my life and I've been a part of a lot of construction projects, seeing them run like that. So we can't- You don't think we should have Andy involved with the RFP? No, I'm saying if what we're describing, there needs to be a dedicated team that are the people that are facilitating these communications. And that's where I think the committee, potential committee came up into play. Yeah, it could have been something to do with the RFP team. Yeah. Okay, well- It just all depends on how we want to go. Otherwise- It seems like if we could- He said, she said, talking to this person, talking to that person, it's not going to work. Okay. Okay, so it's not going to work. All right. No, I thought that's what you were proposing, that he would- I'm proposing that we do with Andy and John and I and get the RFP going. Yeah. All my proposals. Yeah. So you guys work on getting the RFP going. Andy is an equal part of the conversation. Yeah, and we'll just see how that goes. And then it will come to the slack board for- And what's going to happen is the RFP will go out and we'll have response. And if Gina doesn't want to be part of that, then taking me to John and I- What Carl was describing was, Gina's going to come and bring things to the slack board, talk to you. You're going to have to call Andy and ask him his- No, no, no. You don't- And anybody else, when we've had conversations, that's- That's not what I was suggesting. That's not what I- Either, it's like- If you're- That's how I envisioned that. I realize you're busy. I think that. And that we can handle the email too. It's simple. Yeah. Either one of us can do that. We'll get him here when Caroline Jent has the time to meet with John and I and Andy. We'll get the RFP fleshed out and we'll get it out there. And I- No. I think that should work. Yeah, no. Andy's going to be- Gone. Gone until October 18th. Does that put a crimp in the timeline? No, I don't think so because if you want one of us to get in touch with- Well, I was going to let her know where we are today. Yeah, just right here. That we are going to stay on the same site. I would send her this map and really, where the building's going to be located is the fact that we're keeping it on the same site is the key. But that does change things dramatically. It helps a lot because you've already by the road, you've got the electricity there, you've got everything there. It's a lot cheaper and easier. But she needs to be hearing from Andy before she does any further work on the RFP, I would think. Yeah. Well, I think that- It's a microgeneral, right? That was all stuff that Guthrie and I really were things that we were mentioning to her. I don't want to get more into the language of the set. You said that what's provided by Andy. Yeah. Well, I think if Carol and Jen comes with us with Kathleen, comes with us with her RFP and then we sit down- Well, we have it already. Yeah, we already have it, right? She sent us one? Oh, okay. So, will we just send that scene? I don't think I have. We have a very detailed already. It wasn't really ready for assumption by the select board yet. I think she's going to be big. I'll see if you want to- I sent it to you. Sent it to- Oh, you're going to be there. I sent it to you, to John. Again, this is where- And it gets sticky when we start getting three people on the select board involved. So- There's somebody- Anybody on this select board to read anything they want to read, if we want to send a copy of the RFP- Oh, yeah. That's fine. That's all right. Carol can read it. He can read it. It doesn't matter. Yeah. So, if you read it and you come back and get some suggestions, so what? You get some suggestions. Right. Not like we're all having a meeting and talking about it. So, I suggest you come through and get changed. But I'm forward to you. You don't have yet. Right. It's like- I've got a new board. And then have- Then have- If he wants to look at it, make some comments, let him do it. Yeah. Well, I'll make him feel good. If he's got something in his hand. But he won't be here. When's he leaving? No, he already left it. He said on Friday that he would be out of town starting today until October 18th but reachable via phone, text, email for the next three days. Just send an email to him. No, he's not reachable anymore. Oh. No. For three days, he's reachable. Oh, I see. He replied to an email today, but I think the three days are probably over. Oh, that's fine. Been wait until 18th? Yeah. Yeah. So, we've already got an RFP from Kathleen. Yeah, we just take the graph right now. So, you guys will- One of you- Who will send that to Andy? I mean- I can send it to you. You have it, right? Well, yeah, I can send it to you. I don't have any email. I don't get it. No, but he's got it. Or I've got it. Just send it to you because I'm leaving actually for a few days, unfortunately. And I'm getting up early in the morning to go to work. So, it'll slip through the cracks and give it to me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I get up at five, so I can finish the work. I didn't get time tonight. It hadn't been the meeting. But that's okay. Okay. Okay. All right. So, that sounds good. What's the next thing? Monthly financial reporting package. So, August 23rd. We have to lie. All of us are not ready yet. Okay, we have to go live right here. Let's- Correct. What do we have? So, it's really just one month of the current fiscal year activity. Oh, yeah. So, it just needs to lie. Oh, yeah. So, it just needs to lie. Hard to tell much. Yeah. There's not a whole lot yet. Yeah. First month out. Yeah. Have you seen any red flags, Gina? No. Not yet. Okay. Obviously, budget process will be starting very soon, though. So- What's that? Budget process will be starting very soon. Right. I've already started the files, but- Yeah. We're not going to shut down the government here. You never know. You never know. That's right. Thank you. I don't know what we should- Oh. Sure. No, that was the latest lecture. No, it wasn't. I'll tell you what I said. Oh, that's the general legislature? We'll make you speaker. Wow. I'm going to take that. Speaker of this life work. Yeah. Okay. So, no red flags. Okay. I'm going to start making a lot more money very shortly. Yes. Yep. Anybody have any questions? Can we move on? Okay. Maybe one more question. Yeah. What's happening with the real estate tax situation we're talking about? That, you know, those that are behind tax haven't- They're doing it. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The bandwaters. Right. Has anybody seen Jesus yet? Not that I've heard. No, I think those lovers just went out. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Will I move to the warrants? Sure. Okay. October 2nd, 2023, expense four. So, that's to check the 115. 925. Do we want to write that check? Or what? Can we reimburse us? We can move. We can move the money wherever we want. Yeah, okay. Yes. Or move the expense wherever we want it to. Yeah. Washington County Sheriff, please go at 1. Not much here. And to write. And we had one addition to the addition that we haven't done yet. So, BLCT, this was our passive, our insurance renewal. Yeah. They sent that email on Friday. Friday afternoon, actually. So, it's due though, October 13th, which is before your next meeting. Yeah. So, I've already started working on filling out the forms online because they have an online way to submit. So, I've just provided you what they sent me. Essentially, there will really be no change. The only thing, because all of our new vehicles are obviously already insured and already included on the list that they sent for this renewal period, even though they weren't on last year's, of course. Or actually that would have just been the 2024 match. The only thing really that I will end up tweaking is I'll look at the salary numbers that they have in on their workers comp sheet. And I will adjust those to match actuals, essentially. That's really kind of the only thing that we tweak from a year-over-year basis. We didn't add any covered bridges or add any buildings or, you know, anything. And like I said, if we had, they technically would already be included in this renewal documentation because we would already have them insured. So, they're going, the league is just estimating what the 2024 numbers are going to be. Yes. You're going to make them correct. Correct. Yeah, I've already adjusted them. I'm just doing all that before we walked into this meeting, but obviously I'm not done with it. So, I couldn't give you the, here it is updated, but I have to turn it into them before the 13th. So, last year I was able to give this to you guys and it's kind of completed form. Sorry. So, I moved to authorize the county administrator to update, sign, and submit the renewal application for the VLCT passive membership program. I'll second it. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. That passed. Very motivated to select board all of a sudden as it approaches the witching hour. Time administrator report. It's really short. There has been one zoning application since your last meeting, but it was a curb cut that came in on, I think it was Friday. So, you will see that at your next meeting because the road foreman has not yet had an opportunity to even review it. Okay. But that's the only thing that came in. Any questions? Oh. Let me tell Herman report. Yep. Zero chickering road. Right. I was wondering about that too. When it's a curb cut, they don't have an address yet. So, zero is a. I didn't give you the answer. There's so many. Well, I was looking for you, but. I noticed that it was, but these pipes up, then gave you the answer. Yeah. Good. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good one. Very good insight. It's awesome. Is there anything else on the talent ministry report you'd like to go into? No. Okay. At a business. Right on time. So, we're fighting. That's early actually. You know, to the sheen. I'm going to get out of here. That's it. Well, we're thinking like this. I took it at that. I would like to make a bulletin. You would. To adjourn tonight's meeting of the select board for Monday October 2nd. Is that permanently. And do we have a second? Oh, you did. Oh my God. Awesome. So we seconded it. All the better. Please say hi. She's back. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Thank you for coming in.