 Good morning everybody. I hope you can hear you hear me Hello, my name is Kylian Clifford and I am the moderator for today's session now I'm just gonna try and share my screen here with you So welcome everybody to the diaspora Summit here in Dublin or virtually as we are all joining it. My name is Kylian Clifford And I am the host for today's session now We have today So I'm just gonna stop sharing my screen because it's not working with we have today a session on if The diaspora philanthropy called time talent and treasure So the philanthropy is often defined as private contributions for public good and we see it most obviously with large entities such as It's a Bill and Linda Gates Foundation or the open Society Foundation for philanthropy is more than just the provision of financial resources It's about the three T's of time talent and treasure and Here diaspora have a rich history in philanthropy whether it might be true mentoring which is time Skills transfer which is talent or indeed financial support which is treasure and true philanthropy diaspora has become important actors in Sustainable development whether it might be at home or abroad so today's session will examine this role more closely and explore some of the key trends and models for success And from these learnings action will take a ways for key stakeholders in the area of diaspora philanthropy Will be provided and the output from this session will feed into the output document for the summit Which is known as the future agenda document and To facilitate that we have a action-packed agenda In a moment, I'll be handing over to the session host Kingsley Aiken of the Networking Institute Then we'll have a TED Talk video from Almaz Nagash of the African diaspora network And we'll also hear from Jean Sanjeev Jossi Pura of in diaspora followed by an interactive session where we invite insights From you the attendees based on questions. We will be sharing some brief housekeeping Everyone's been working on zoom for the last two years. So everyone will probably be well familiar with this But the session will be recorded Just to say microphones will be muted except for speakers and we'll ask speakers to closely adhere to the time limits So I guess most importantly translation is available through the globe function at the bottom of Zoom that you can see at the little globe and we'll have translation in one of the six official UN languages and next to that we have chat functions if you want to Comment on anything that speakers are saying or indeed add any questions and we'll be monitoring those questions and later on through the interactive discussion they have the opportunity to Raise your hand and ask questions verbally or even speak or intervene verbally Okay, so with no further ado, let me hand over to Kingsley Aiken of the Networking Institute and Kingsley The floor is yours Thank you very much Killian and good morning everybody and thank you to IOM and to the Irish government for hosting this Really important and I think innovative event here today my background is I worked for 17 years running a diaspora philanthropy organization Based out of the United States, but eventually all around the world I have to admit and say that the first event of this organization In New York with the great the good Came to this event. The event was so unsuccessful That the only reason we had a second event a year later was to pay for the first event Well, that's nearly 700 million dollars a go. So I'm a great believer that You've got to start small on these things and the potential can be extraordinary that money was raised at no cost to the taxpayers or to government and you heard the definition there from Killian about philanthropy Time treasure talent the kindness of strangers, you know private contributions for public good And I quite like the definition of planting trees under whose shade you will not sit I think that's the kind of a nice definition of philanthropy And in a sense society is a stool with three legs. You need a profitable business sector You need an efficient government sector, but you also need an effective NGO or our third sector Philanthropy has deep historical and and indeed religious roots But what's exciting about this period now is I think we're going to enter into an extra period of extraordinary potentially explosive growth in the whole area of Diaspora philanthropy now one of the drivers of this is what we call the intergenerational transfer of wealth The greatest cash of money in the history of mankind is actually now in the hands of people aged 60 and over And they have to figure out what they're going to do with it There's a great report written by Accenture some time ago called the greater wealth transfer It said that in the United States alone 30 trillion dollars is going to be transferred Intergenerationally in the between now and the year 2050 So there's great potential for diasporas to be part of that and when you think about this wealth That is in the hands of individuals Where was it? Where's it going to go when it's distributed intergenerationally? Well, it's going to go three places. It's going to go firstly to kids to heirs to children They're going to inherit lots and lots of money. That's just the story of life Secondly it could go to governments through taxation systems and thirdly it's going to be given away Given away philanthropically We sometimes say that life is about going from struggle to success and from success to significance It's in that period when people begin to reflect on their legacy their mark in their sound and often on their heritage so there's a distinct diaspora advantage and the diaspora angle to all of this and Structures are now being developed To facilitate this kind of transfer of wealth, you know community foundations is a phenomenon Which actually started way back in 1914 in Cleveland in the United States, but they've spread throughout the world There are now over 2,000 community foundations in 70 countries around the world But also new structures have emerged in particular what we call donor advised funds Within the banking system, you know last year in the United States of 501 C3s Which is the ruling in the tax laws defining a public charity The number one in the United States last year was Fidelity Bank who have set up this structure of donor-advised funds allowing individuals to Make contributions or to put money into the banking system get a tax deduction and then to distribute that money to projects Philanthropic projects that they like and many of these can be overseas or back in their country a very heritage They're now over a million donor-advised funds in the US There's a hundred eighty billion in assets last year. They gave out 37 billion to charitable organizations And this year alone Americans will send over two hundred billion dollars overseas To projects outside of the United States. So that's a kind of a fascinating thing So diaspora philanthropy now is becoming a key part of what we call diaspora capital The resources available to country cities regions locations and places It's made up of three flows flows of people flows of knowledge and flows of money So having worked for you know so long in that in that organization with working with the with the Ireland funds I kind of learned, you know a series of key lessons about key kind of facts of life If you like if you like about diaspora philanthropy First is that you know money is the oxygen of our organizations and you can only raise money from people who have it So that was a kind of a Brutal sort of fact of life and secondly people give to people that they like and trust That's the old Dale Carnegie line people do business with people they like and trust and you know in general Strangers don't give So so what we're really saying is that there's a bit of process in all of this and diaspora philanthropy is not given Philanthropy has to be raised. It's not offered It has to be asked for and asking is your most powerful tool which you have in your diaspora philanthropy Armory and the final lesson is that diaspora philanthropy is not raised at your desk You know just doesn't happen. You actually have to make it happen and there's an interesting existing model I think out there which which can be very helpful for Developing diaspora philanthropy and that's the United States and all university the university alumni model Which really has two dimensions to it the first dimension is raising money from a large number of people But small contributions from a large number of people and then there's raising large amounts of money from a small number of people And and what's driven that whole industry at the university level is what we call campaign fundraising The campaign fundraising is deciding to raise a specific amount of money for a specific cause over a specific period of time And there's a very precise process that we use in all our years working in diaspora philanthropy And that was actually about four phases. It was about research Research is finding the answers that question about your diaspora Who are they where are they and what are they doing and in a previous session this morning? We talked a lot about data and the importance of knowledge and information and statistics and data So the research side is not only finding out what somebody Could do but what they would do in other words You need to find out about their capacity and you need to find out about their propensity They may have terrific capacity, but no interest in the projects which you have in your diaspora back in your home country And the second phase of this program is about cultivation It's about taking people on a journey of ignorance of you and your organization on the on the Projects you want to support to a position of passionate zealotry and that takes time. It takes energy It takes empathy. It takes building friendships building relations. All of that stuff takes a lot of time And then the third phase is Solicitation it's asking as I said earlier the most powerful marketing tool you have is the ability to ask And it's extraordinary the number of people who are loads to ask to even assume that people know what you want So becoming a good solicitor a good asker is a key skill in diaspora philanthropy And then the third phase is what we call stewardship, which is after somebody's made a commitment to It's ensuring that you look after them and you explain to them your reward and recognize people for their contributions You show them the differences that they've been made and you take every gift that they make as a down payment on the next gift Because there's a life cycle of giving and the number one reason somebody stops Supporting diaspora philanthropy is because they detect the spirit of indifference In some sense their support their financial support has been taken for granted And there's a whole process in in what we call campaign fundraising, which is about feasibility studies It's about developing case statements. It's about building your donor permits. So there's a wonderful very well Trotten path to follow to do this sort of stuff It just finished with one story is that, you know, many years ago There was a president of an Irish University on a flight in the United States was sitting beside a man They started having a conversation and turned out this man was actually a member of the Irish diaspora. He was Irish American He'd been very successful in business. He'd never been to Ireland the university professor invited him He started to come regularly. He started to support projects in Ireland He started to give and give and give particularly to the university sector He gave over a billion US dollars to universities in Ireland We would not be where we are today without this man. His name is Chuck Feeney He was a famous individual in the United States Bill Gates and and Warren Buffett say that Chuck Feeney is their hero And what he did as a diaspora philanthropy was truly truly remarkable He was a disciple of Andrew Carnegie the great Scottish philanthropist who believed and give while you live He said he who dies is us rich dies disgraced So this notion of a limited life foundation Chuck Feeney decided to give all his money away an extraordinary individual He's still In alive in San Francisco now. He's retired. He's completely given away all his money He lives in a rented apartment And he is if you like one of the great poster children for the potential that now exists for diaspora philanthropy So Kylian, I've done my time there and I'll pass back to you Thank you Kingsley and thank you for that anecdote on Chuck Feeney I wasn't aware of the chance Sanjeev very much is and I think you raise some important points really on the importance of Engagement with philanthropy, you know, as you say philanthropy it has to be raised It has to be asked for but it's not just about engaging at the beginning and taking it and running it away But as you say, it's a life cycle of giving so engaging before engaging after our kind of key Messages I guess from from the whole summit really and how we do that on different levels for different types of diaspora engagement Okay, so next up we have a TED talk session From Alma's Negash of the African diaspora network and I will ask my Technical colleagues in the background if they could start to share that video Hi, I am Alma's Negash with the African diaspora network. We are based in Santa Clara, California Greetings from California to all of you who are participating at this conference on diaspora Whether in person or virtually it just wanted to wish you the very best Opportunity to connect to learn and to support each other again I am delighted and grateful to the friendship was Lara from IOM Kingsley and Martin great friends all of you and I thank you for partnership and the friendship I was asked to just briefly share the journey that brought me to start the African diaspora Network site what I shared that with you in the best way. I know how within 10 minutes You think of the the program the organization started just like everything else as an idea And then a need to try to bring Africans and French of Africa together Because you see when we want to support communities around the world whether it's Countries in Africa or other places even in our own community You want to improve the community that you're talking about so I so avoid In the voices of the diaspora when wonderful and well meaning American social entrepreneurs were trying to do the things in the continent. I am originally from Eritrea I was born and raised in Asmara When I moved to the Netherlands in 1984 have a brother there So I left Eritrea because of the war between Ethiopia and Eritrea And so I moved to the Netherlands after high school Set the state there for three and a half years and didn't really Do very well was the language was just holding me back. And I was so impatient. I wanted to finish College quickly I had a chance to come to the US and that has been fantastic since 1987 I think in the United States and my life has been absolutely beautiful with all its challenge as a as an immigrant It has been very very beautiful And so I think that sense of beauty and challenge on all of the complexity that I felt when I was trying to Make ends meet too while I was a foreign student Was that I saw this wonderful Generosity of others who don't look like me and they happen to be Americans that I have considered them like family Made all things possible for me in the United States that sense of Comfort is probably what really started ADN I knew that if we were able to create a space where Africans and friends of Africa can come together Changes can happen. We can co-create. We can co-imagine possibilities for Africans and for non-Africans especially for those who live in our community for the communities in which we live It's not one or the other as you know The diaspora is actually an extension of the communities where we live too So in order for me to do good for my family I must be doing well in my community. Otherwise Remittances will not be able to go other kind of supports even the intellectual support that we give back to our Home countries or any country in Africa would not probably be possible So I'm very grateful for the opportunity that I had early on that also really propelled me to ask questions Ask why is the desk run at the table? So in nine in 2010 we started the African diaspora network and One person at a time it took five years to get it to a level where we can get some attention And I'm very happy to say in 2016. We got a seed funding from the US State Department And we were able to begin the first program of ADN the African diaspora investments inclusive We wanted to test whether our idea and those who supported me a lot of the board members the volunteers Whether our idea is really workable Is it something that we can prove that Africans and then Africans can work and I can tell you today that yes It is possible because the African diaspora network the first program that we started in 2016 is celebrating is convening the seventh African diaspora investment symposium and then out of that We developed another three programs in one initiative. This cannot be possible in a vacuum We were able to see Need in Africa. What does symposium mean to those entrepreneurs in Africa that are in need of Financial support mentoring and going is key because we can't be everything alone But when we have someone that we can count on we do have the opportunity to do better so mentoring financing access to financing and Learning training is very critical. So we started the African the builders of Africa's features We have 42 in the pipeline and we're just about to Announce the nomination of the 10 to 12 or 10 to 13 entrepreneurs for the 2022 Builders of Africa's features fellows out of that too in 2020 when people saw this incredible Energy that we had at the in person convening the last in person convening in Silicon Valley We were asked do we have a similar program for Africans and diaspora in the United States and this question came from a very mighty organization the Silicon Foundation the Silicon Valley Community Foundation and I said, you know, it's my big boss Sure, we can do it if you can give us that money and we've got the seed funding that also helped us to develop Accelerating black leadership and entrepreneurship program This is the latest program that really focuses on the need and providing access training access to funders and to mentors for black African Americans the historical diaspora and then like people like myself the Contemporary diaspora as you know Africa is much huge We're not just Africans in Africa or Africans those like myself Who left home probably in the last I don't know 56 years we're talking about those who came Probably about 400 years ago Out of you know as slaves to the United States who paved the way for many of us to be where we are So I really believe personally I am walking on their shoulders And so there is a responsibility to give back and I feel very fortunate that ADN will actually use our platform not only to bring Africans and non-Africans but also to build the bridge between the historical and the contemporary diaspora. So that's one last One of the latest program that we have and of course we have an all-year-old Convening it's called impact on innovation forums. We do this in San Francisco and in California also in Washington and New York in person in the past, but we will start to do that. Hopefully this year That we are not in COVID So that's those are the kind of programs that we're running and then we have one initiative that's related to healthcare the telehealth and health project It funded by Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation and so we're very very delighted for that opportunity. This is an ongoing thing I encourage you to go look at our website But why is this important? What is this necessity of really getting diaspora engaged? Well, I'll say why not? The reason is because you are This this convening is happening in Ireland the most wonderful, wonderful diasporas that we know of English diasporas. We have the Jewish diaspora. We've got so many. We've got the Asian diasporas Depending in which country looking the Filipino diaspora them the Latino diasporas is huge Dynamic diaspora that really has deep connection to their heritage to their home country That then go back and contribute whether it's their talent their time or their treasure So that connectedness is so critical. But for Africa was 55 countries. It's even much more important It's also way way more complex. I always said that we really are one in so many ways So what would it look like if we can continue to change the narrative of the continent in the way in which People see it then maybe we can pull up the assumptions of the country of the continent one assumption Is that my Africans migrate out of Africa No, it's not true actually Africans migrate within Africa probably between 70 and 80 percent of migration happens into Africa Some of us get out of the country The countries where we come from based it could be political It could be educational to be other things with there's so many reasons we get out But there's one thing that connects us again It's over and over and over our family our friends our heritage we go back and what do we do? We give back We give back in the form of remittances And I think it's wonderful that we give remittances. I do believe in giving and supporting your family That will continue because it has been there for generations and it would not stop and the question always is what would it look like if we the The diaspora can tap into our saving. Remember, we save money $55 billion per year is saved by diaspora in the united states So what would it look like if I and others can take a little bit of that invest that that savings And then invest it invest it in a in a in a platform that is going to in a portfolio of opportunities That could then help communities in Africa I think that should be the discussion moving on on diaspora individually as diaspora So what would it look like if we can try to begin to think about creating a sustainable mode of Funding for our families. That's what would be wonderful with if it's possible, but also generally Trying to invest in communities where our family sleep or where our friends sleep But it doesn't matter which country but the money that I possibly can give or invest in Could actually make a difference in the country. I know you will hear about this because I was at the Two weeks ago. I was in Dubai to participate in small convening From Europe from the United States to discuss about how the what the african union is doing to ensure that these kinds of financing platforms are available You can hear this At the convening. I know that because there are a few people speaking On friday where I will also be virtually on a panel to discuss what the african union is doing Please listen to that and let's see if there is a way we can all work together and support that platform The african best brand network is what it is today because of the partnership That we've formed And those partnerships continue to fund us To enable us and i'm so grateful for those who believed in who we are what we do who we bring My team our board for making this possible and special shout out to martin russell Who has always been my sounding board. I thank you and this is the journey the journey continues I'm going to say this it never stops. It's just one step at a time But it continues and I look forward to partnering with the with the with iom With the all of you to make sure those of you interested in working with the continent To do the best we can to bring people together because at the end of the day I do like to believe that we belong to each other as human beings. It's not just about diversity and inclusion It's about the belonging the belonging that I felt when I first came to the united states For the person that I was nobody asked me to change nor would I change So that sense of belonging is what i'm trying to create and i'm so happy to say We have a space for that. We still have a long way to go But i'm very grateful to all of you and I wish you the very best that can be Thank you. Have a good day okay, thank you everyone and thank you to almas for her inspirational story behind the african diaspora network and Particularly taking with the african investment symposium for members lend their Mentoring skills their time their their their training via their talent their finance Obviously, which is their treasure to help build african futures through training and financing their entrepreneurs But also lending those skills back to the diaspora in the home country So benefiting both countries of origin and countries of of destination there Great stuff inspirational stories now. We're running a little behind time So i'm going to hand over straight away to sanjeev joshu pora of indiaspora So he can lend us his experience of the work that he does Thank you. Thanks. Killian and thank you to the iom and thank you to kingsley For having me and including me in this wonderful event My name is sanjeev joshu pora, and i'm the executive director of indiaspora i'm talking to you today from just outside of washington dc in america And let me first tell you just a little bit about indiaspora who we are and what we do Uh, because that will sort of have a lot of relevance about our focus on diaspora philanthropy indiaspora is a nonprofit organization founded in 2012 by a successful investor entrepreneur and community builder in san francisco named mr. Rangaswamy And our mission is to inspire and position the global indian diaspora as a force for good Now we are a membership organization and invitation only selective membership organization for leaders indian diaspora leaders around the world in different countries in different professions of different backgrounds And uh, we have There are three areas of focus that we work on which we call our three pillars or our three verticals One of them is a non-partisan political and civic engagement The other another is entrepreneurship and innovation And the third one that is most germane to today's event is philanthropy and social impact There are also two themes that we thread through the work in all of our three verticals First and foremost is in addition to focusing on the Very highly accomplished people who are typically our members and who are usually in as you might imagine In their 50s and 60s and so forth and we learn a lot from them. We get a lot of advice from them, which is fantastic We also focus on the next generation of the diaspora because one of the issues of concern that has been raised to us is that The second generation of the diaspora of the people that have left india May not quite have the strong ties or connectivity or feeling of belonging as indian diaspora So it's important to focus on them early and engage them in what we do That's one our focus on the younger folks in addition to our members who tend to be You know somewhat somewhat somewhat older And the second theme that sort of cuts through all our verticals Is what we call our global connect program And there We focus extensively on globalizing our work So not only are we active very much in the united states where we were founded As you know and in india where we now have an office as well But in addition to that we are extremely active with the leading indian diaspora And others of people who may not necessarily be indian diaspora, but are connected in their work somehow with the indian diaspora or with india We are very active in countries like the UAE the uk canada and singapore and soon starting to make inroads into australia With a future eye on the caribbean and parts of africa and other parts of europe as well because the indian diaspora Which is about 32 million people worldwide Is widely spread across several countries, but with a concentration in some countries and those are the countries We typically would like to focus on first Now let me just go back For a second to the three verticals that i mentioned So in entrepreneurship and innovation, which is one of them We help facilitate that because we view entrepreneurship and innovation Not just as a means of personal wealth creation, which is great and that's absolutely fantastic But more importantly from our perspective We view it as a means to solving societal problems in some ways in some places There's a lot of social entrepreneurship happening And under our rubric or mission of being a force for good We let we take the social entrepreneurship lens on the entrepreneurship angle On the non-partisan political and civic engagement So again, we are not an organization by by united states tax law We are mandated to be an organization that does not actively take political sides On on on any side of the political spectrum But we do encourage the voice of the Indian community to be heard loud and clear Regardless of their political affiliations in the political milieu And on civic engagement, we are very active in collaborating widely with other communities Such such as the east asian community You know the jewish community. These are just some examples. There are many others the african-american community and etc um Now the reason i brought that up is because it segues into the main topic that i want to talk about Which is our philanthropic? Much of the other things that i just mentioned right now many of them Has some links into our philanthropic work as well So i'll just give you some examples of what we've done philanthropy and you will see the bleed into the Into the other aspects of what we do In philanthropy there are two views that we take on the subject one is that many of our members have ties to india as you might imagine obviously and They would like to give back to the country of their origin Which is great and we actively encourage that and support and facilitate that and we are a catalyst and a platform That helps them do more of that in a more effective way and i'll get to that in a second the other Is give where you live Because the perspective here Is that there is no doubt that you might have been born or even raised in india And uh, you know have strong ties and feelings for your country of origin But in addition to that that that alone is not enough You've also got to look at the country where you've resided Whether it's the united states whether it's the uk whether it's you know, uh the ua Whatever it might be singapore, australia, whatever it might be The country that you resided in over the past 20 30 40 even 50 years And where you've made a big name for yourself where you've enjoyed a lot of success Uh and where in several cases you have made tremendous amounts of uh money and you you sort of gained a lot of efforts And it's important also In the effort to position and inspire the indian diaspora as a force for good to also give in that country Not only towards your home country of origin Uh, and so that is the view that we take on philanthropy both give where you live As well as give to india Now, let me give you a couple of quick examples and i'm very cognizant of course of the Of the time here and we are running a little bit behind So i will stay to my allocated uh 10 minutes and then If there's more that we need to begin to we can do that in the in the q and a uh In terms of giving to india Uh, like i mentioned before we are a catalyst in a platform So we are an organization that helps individuals ultra high net worth individuals or even the retail Charitable giver the person that gives you know five or 10 or 15 or 20 dollars We work at all ends of the spectrum at both ends of the spectrum. We help facilitate their giving to india And a couple of examples of this are first and foremost We are an organization that convene what is known as the ipa the india philanthropy alliance And the ipa was convened and housed under indiaspora by in 2017 And it is slated to become its own independent spin-off organization over the next two years Because it's grown and grown and it's come to a point where It, you know is standing on its own its own legs, which is a delightful thing for us to watch having conceived it The ipa is an organization that comprises of ceo's Of philanthropic organizations of That that are focused on india But are based in the united states So the ceo's of these organizations are parts of ipa our members of ipa And on a monthly basis since 2017 august We've been convening the ceo's To talk about various things we talk about Influencing public policy regarding philanthropy in india We talk about how these organizations can potentially achieve synergies By collaborating in the value chain upstream and downstream We talk about how to make sure that their fundraising efforts in the united states And their big events don't clash with each other on the same day or at the same time or in the same location Or a same city so that each organization has its own space to grow So we serve this catalytic function this this collaborative convening function and keep in mind that before These may seem like obvious things to do But when there are you know tens of Large charitable organizations that focus on different things that are based in the us by focusing on india But different charitable aspects within the work on india within the philanthropic work on india These types of collaborations aren't obvious and we're not occurring Before we convened these this group the IPA in 2017 It's after we started convening them that this kind of collaborative effort this multiplicative effort Has become evident to all our members So so that is uh the an example of the IPA Another example is on on what we call the chalo give program chalo in the hindi language Means let's go. Let's do hindi. Of course is one of india's national languages. And so the translation is let's give So in our chalo give program, it's a retail online effort to raise money For causes in india and give them to vetted organizations who we know extremely well That work in different areas of the country in different causes Uh and uh over i'm happy to say that during co vid Uh in the last two years indias for us through our chalo give program helped raise more than five million dollars Not just for india. Uh a majority of it about three and a half million or so was for india But about a million and a half of that went to america as well to helping america during co vid and um So that is an example of our chalo give annual program that you do online This is for high network folks as well as the retail philanthropic give Uh, so that's the giving to india part now. Let me just end with the give where you live part One of the initiatives that and and and so by the way, sorry Let me just take a step back and say on the on the giving to india part You would have seen the ties with our global connect work Uh, you would have seen the ties with our diaspora next work where we encourage philanthropists to start out Young and give a little bit flex the giving muscle when you're younger Even if you can't give millions of dollars you can give, you know, maybe tens of dollars But you get into the giving habit When you're young Uh, so there are there are overlaps in all in all of those work for all of those things that we do now On the give where you live some that has Sort of a crossover into the political and civic engagement work that we do as well One of the things that is obvious to anyone not just in america, but in other parts of the world as well Is that the technology revolution while it has Enormous almost incalculable benefits has also left some people behind Uh, and those people that have been left behind need to Get the benefits of some sort of reskilling or upskilling To help their career prospects and make their lives better and make the lives of their future generations better Now just to narrow it down for now to the example here in america That might apply to certain areas geographic areas of the country that might apply to Certain, uh, you know communities in the country And so we are at the start of creating a large skilling program involving Companies led by indian diaspora, whether they're based in india or based elsewhere in the world To involve them and engage them in a reskilling and upskilling effort that is focused on People that the technology revolution is left behind as you can see this as immediate crossover into our civic and political engagement work as well But let me stop here. I know my 10 minutes are up. I do see Killian back on the screen. So let me turn it back to you Thank you, sanji for a very interesting background to indiaspora there I think you make some points that link back to kingsley's Initial intervention on the life cycle of giving and maybe starting that process young with the diaspora But also to what we heard on the african diaspora network Give where you live is the term you use but you know philanthropy Isn't just only about the countries of origin, but also countries of residence too So so common links and common threads between Various interventions there now. I want to introduce this next section. It's going to be an interactive discussion and invite everyone to either Share your comments or particularly your your questions through the chat function Or indeed if you want to make an intervention, please raise your hand and we shall do so And we shall take you on board now what we have here What I want to do is share some guiding questions from a the From from from the background paper to this particular Session and now if I the technology will let me work. I'll put these onto the Onto the screen here, but there are three guiding questions and hopefully you can see them I will read them out if you can't see them. And so first question What could you recommend at a policy level to leverage diaspora philanthropy? And I think Sanji talked about policy there So I might give that one to him initially second question. What could you recommend in terms of programs to enable leverage diaspora Enable sorry and leverage diaspora philanthropy and the third and last question. Who are the key actors to partner with? With with governments to enable and leverage diaspora philanthropy Um, so in the absence, maybe of any questions coming in At the moment, maybe I'll give that last question to Kingsley if you don't mind, you know We talk about the stakeholders that are important Uh within philanthropic diaspora philanthropic giving Um from your perspective and from your experience Kingsley, who might you say are the key stakeholders and key actors in that regard? Kingsley either So Kingsley use your sound is uh not Um, it's echoing a little bit Kingsley. I can hear me now. Okay. Now we can hear you. Absolutely. That's perfect Yeah, look, I think it's a great question and I think it begs a bigger question Which is you know, what's the role of government when it comes to diaspora philanthropy? You know, as you said in your definition at the very beginning philanthropy is Private private went for public good. So what's the role of government? I think the role of government Was to be probably to be a facilitator rather than implementer And it's always that debate between the role of government But I think governments can create the enabling conditions government can be supportive governments can actually help To a certain extent to teach and train in this area I mean, I think all diaspora organizations because so many of them are private organizations Their number one objective to survive is Is actually to raise money philanthropically not just for their Causes and cases but also just to keep themselves alive and keep their organizations going So I think government plays an important role As and creates those enabling conditions creates the environment Does some maybe some pump priming in a small kind of financial ways You know, the Irish government have a An arrogant support program where they support diaspora organizations outside of Ireland around the world I think stuff like that can be great and they can be a sort of a pump priming kind of role Rather than being a full-on implementer because there's always a little bit of kind of concern sometimes about Government being too involved in these areas And I think that that's getting that balance right is fundamental to trying to get this thing to work And what about the role maybe for the private sector in this? I know Ireland has been relatively successful in tapping up its diaspora And to encourage fdi into into into into Ireland at least in the past and just curious are there any any learnings from your perspective as to what other countries could do Well, I think you know what we have is an interesting subset of fdi foreign direct investment Which we sometimes call ddi diaspora direct investment and the diaspora can play an interesting role when it comes to that Not just necessarily in themselves investing but actually being we used to call them tipping agents People who are in a position to nudge a deal or nudge something in Ireland's direction And could be for any country and it can be as simple as making an introduction or you know Giving a piece of advice giving a bit of suggestion passing on some gossip whatever it is That all is part of the the fabric of what makes these decisions So critical and it can be the it can be the tipping point It can be the the small little piece of information that tips a deal in a country's direction So I think that you know having those You know we used to call them business rock stars people in the right position and right companies around the world Back to the old question of who are they where are they what are they doing knowing who they are And then building those long-term hearts and minds relationships with them. It's really quite simple but quite hard to do well Yeah, and I guess it it takes time as well as one thing is To bear in mind Sanjeev, if I may just come back to you then on the question that we have at the top here At policy level from your experience engaging in in public policy and trying to engage Get the indian diaspora to engage in public policy What would you recommend at a policy level from that experience? to leverage The aspera philanthropy. Yeah, you know, I would like to sort of Take off where Kingsley left off Uh, I think Kingsley makes a very good point when he started out by saying that the The that that government should not Sort of act as a doer, but rather more as a facilitator and more as an a Group or institution that encourages philanthropy rather than gets actively Involved in sort of directing it or executing right? I couldn't agree with that more But I think that can be taken one step further which is to say That there are various instances and occasions and they differ in different countries where government sometimes for various reasons reasons that for you know, uh, you know multiple Thought processes and cultural attributes that are germane to that particular country that they view as entirely legitimate They actually discourage diaspora philanthropy right and That is something that I think is a function of trust It goes back to the Topic of our session. It goes back to what Kingsley said at the very start of the session He talked about trust and building trust uh, I think that once that trust is built between philanthropic actors and Governments of the country towards which they are directing their philanthropy Uh, a lot more can be done and depending on what country we are talking about They are in various stages of that evolutionary life cycle. For example, here in the united states Uh Philanthropy is made much easier. I know the same is true in uh, let's say the UAE for the most part Uh, I know the same is true for the most part again in the in the uk in in canada and so forth Uh, there are certain other countries which i'm aware of where it is actually very difficult For an organization like ours to get actively engaged in uh, uh, philanthropic causes or even facilitated philanthropic forces In that in that nation. So, uh, you know, I I just guess it depends on it depends from country to country and Influencing that agenda. I think is important for the diaspora Thank you, Sanjeev and and again, if anyone from the audience wants to Participate ask a question in the chat function or indeed raise your hand and intervene Um, we're more than happy to uh hear from you on that one. Um, so perhaps there's a there's a third question Which is the middle question number two. I read I guess is um on terms of the programs that we could uh develop To enable and leverage the diaspora philanthropy um Sanjeev maybe back to you and that one if if governments are to be the facilitator here not necessarily the doer executor um Do you see multiple stakeholder programs as the answer here or is the solution here and And what's the different role for the different actors in terms of how you would see that leveraging The diaspora philanthropy just building on what you just said previously. Yeah. Yeah. No, that that also is a very good question I think you've addressed three good questions here Killian um, you know, I think that in terms of The programmatic aspect of things Uh, there are two sides to it in my view One is that so here I'll take the example of of india, right? Uh, I am finding more and more over the past. I'd say about at least five six years That india has become at a governmental level more sophisticated About the kinds of philanthropic interventions that are needed in the country But that government cannot provide Right, uh and does not wish to provide or is unable to provide for a whole host of reasons Uh and making sure that they have a sense of those priorities What those priorities are and they could be different in different parts of the country as you might imagine India is just one example, but this could apply to several other countries Countries tend to be very complex in terms of their geography in terms of different parts of the country Thinking differently about certain things needing different things And so whether that Priority list is made at the central government or federal government level Or more often and perhaps more effectively whether it's made at a level below at the state government level Where they are closer to the ground To have that those priority lists and to have that attitude of you know, collaboration and inviting partnerships for programmatic interventions is important That's on the governmental side, right Now let me change the lens to the Uh the doersaw the organizations that will actually provide The philanthropic interventions Uh, so these for example would be members of in in in my instance members of the ipa, right? uh For those organizations too It is very important to make sure that they are prepared to come in as a group if needed To those various countries or states or provinces within countries Where they can look at the philanthropic needs in a holistic manner And think about collaboration upstream and downstream in the value chain. For example, I'll just make this very practical There are organizations that provide meals to hungry children Which is great. Which is fantastic. Obviously such a huge huge need Uh, then there are organizations that cater to another very important need Which is build schools for children in underprivileged areas Uh so that children can attend schools make sure the schools are well staffed make sure they have the equipment all of that again a prime need right And wouldn't wouldn't it be great if when a state government or a central government or federal government in whatever country identifies childhood hunger or childhood malnutrition as one of their problems and identifies pre-primary education as another problem If the philanthropic organizations in a grouping like the ipa We're able to say, all right. I'm able to work on this part of it. You are able to work on that part of it Let's go in together. Let's collaborate. Let's be ready to meet with these government officials together Let's tour the facilities on the ground together and let's see what we can do as a group to solve the problem holistically So I think it's important for the organizations that provide the philanthropic services also to be similarly, you know, well organized and prioritized in both Yeah, I mean that that's an important point. So did you want to come in there Kingsley at all? Yeah, I'm just going to pick up on some of the things Sanjeev was saying there because I agree with all of that And you know when when Chuck Feeney the story I told when he came to Ireland He very often sat down with government and said well, look I'm willing to put up a hundred million for this particular project at 10 million But we need you and government to match that so it was it was kind of a matching sense And then there's that wonderful Thres Peruno scheme with between the united states hometown associations in mexico where if somebody puts up $50 and the state government state Federal situation in mexico it ends up being three for one. So there's a sort of an interesting kind of relationship there But when I think back to looking at, you know, there's so many tens of thousands of diaspora organizations around the world And in many ways, it's left a thousand flowers bloom Let let everybody, you know bloom and see what happens and you know what some will fail and some will be very successful And when I look back on On looking at organizations that are being engaged in what makes them really successful as diaspora philanthropy organizations And I think you need three things the first thing you need a great case, you know, why do you exist? What are you trying to do? That's really important. But the cases are overall pretty strong The second thing you need is a constituency It's got to be a group of people who care about what you're doing and that goes back to the big question of the morning Who are they? Where are they? What are they doing? And then the third thing when I actually think this is probably the single most important thing Is leadership And then leadership is a fascinating thing when you know san jiv told the story of how his organization started But it started with an inspiring individual with an idea And and he attracted other people around him and the organization I worked for the Ireland funds Again, it was a couple of inspiring individuals a guy called Tony O'Reilly who was the head of the Heinz food company and Dan Rooney, uh, who was a virus diaspora extraction owned the Pittsburgh Steelers They had an idea But I think it's that leadership thing which is so important So I think governments can play a role and can play a role in capacity building for organizations But also identifying and working with people who have leadership potential I think that's why when san jiv's talked about the next generation, that's so so important because um Very often it's the parents of those kids that we're involving at a younger level Are delighted are really delighted that their kids are getting engaged back in the country of heritage They may not have been born there Um, and so it's a double whammy in many ways. It works really really well and there's real examples of that Yeah, and I'm just wondering then is there a follow-up question, um a point to be made Does the level of engagement from a diaspora community Does it kind of weaken a little bit as you go down the generations? Obviously um You know as as diaspora ourselves at least myself very close connection with my home country But maybe my kids will have half of that connection and their kids, you know a quarter of that So how how what's your experience of that? diaspora engagement through the generations and what can be done to to maintain it? Or do we even need to try and maintain it or facilitate it or to encourage it? amongst those that generation level who Didn't necessarily or originate or come and make emigrate themselves from that country Well, do you want to go first? I'll go quick because I know you live a lot to say about this I find I find it extraordinary sometimes the most passionate people Uh, I was engaged with Ireland are people who's great great great grandparents came from Ireland You know and in a funny sort of way it's part of their new identity or their identity Whatever country that they're living in so I find that it doesn't always Automatically mean because there's a couple of generations adrift that in some way their interest in desire Is reduced and also technology and communications mean that you know We now can be here and there in the old days your geography dictated your identity if you lived with san jiva in san francisco That's who you were. You're a californian, but now you can live a hyphenated life You can be completely californian, but very engaged back in poland or scotland Um, and I think that's kind of a fascinating dimension that's out there and the other thing And I haven't really expressed this enough. I think I don't think there is As such a thing is in indian diaspora and irish diaspora There's hundreds of them and they're different and they've different needs and desires And they didn't like each other when they lived back in india. Why should they like each other now? So I think that we need to be understanding that it's not one homogenous block I mean india is made up all sorts of provinces and Areas with different interests and desires and you need to be able to You know satisfy their needs and desires rather than just try to put a blanket definition on them I think they tend to reject that so diasporas are often not about a country But about a place and very often it's a town a village I'm just doing some work with the basque community and then just purely with the basque community I did work a few years ago with just the city of Copenhagen. I'm sandy I'm sure you've found that that it's not about one big homogenous blob Yes, I think you're exactly right. Kingsley. I have found that out too. Uh as as you talk about how different india is, you know India has Different states which all have different cuisines and different cultures different languages and by all accounts They probably could have been maybe even should have been You know different different different countries in in their own right But it's a miracle of history I think and a pleasant miracle of history that india is is very much one country with all these different states So yes, the indian diaspora are different depending on where they come from. They're also different depending on where they go to For example, the indian diaspora in Dublin Wouldn't be the same as the indian diaspora in Detroit Their needs are different and they want to do different things. So you're exactly right But going back to uh hillion's question about the next generation You know, I do think that over time So I have found in my experience that when I look at the other diasporas here in the united states when I look at the Chinese diaspora when I look at the Israeli diaspora for example depending on which country you're from over time your interests and your ties with your country of origin or your parents or grandparents country of origin Changes and differs the Israelis have a different sort of You know linkage over time the Israeli diaspora in America have different linkages over time with Israel Then do say the irish then do the germans then do the chinese then do the indian You know, so it's a very complex question there But I do think that over time generally speaking Especially when one goes out three four generations Links to your home country do tend to weaken a little bit Uh, I think there's two things that are important to do. One is I think it's important to make sure that some You know, even if you're talking four generations down that some Tenuous links are maintained because it helps globalize the mind helps make one a better global citizen Even if one is a fourth generation or fifth generation indian in, you know, san francisco or washington dc To know a little bit about the thought processes and the culture That is influencing her or him today that might have been passed down from five generations ago It's helpful to know that that may make them A better, you know more productive more effective person what they are doing today Uh, right, that's one So it's important that indiaspora. I think continues to engage people In sort of of a younger generation as we are doing in our diaspora next program Knowing fully well that over time that engagement might weaken that's one But the other thing is I think you then change the focus You change the focus about making it the soft power of the indian diaspora as a whole And don't talk necessarily about the fifth generation's links to india But rather talk about give where you live Make it make it be where the fifth generation indians in ireland or the uk or singapore Are fantastic philanthropic givers in ireland or the uk or singapore And wouldn't that be a wonderful thing for the soft power of the entire community? And sanjeev, I think there's such a thing as global indianness Which I think is an interesting in this I think modai really got on top of that when he went off to Madison Square Garden and melbourne cricket ground and wembley stadium And I think that this difference between the state and the nation is very interesting the nation You know the states is just lines on a map, but the nation is a global notion Yeah, like we would say in ireland that we have an empire But it was not built by military might or force of arms We haven't won a home match since we beat the danes in 1014 You know, we haven't had a great history of concrete countries But we have a massive empire of influence and I think that's your issue of soft power is fascinating Yeah, I think that speaks to that soft power speaks to the power of diplomatic diplomacy in some respects And we've had a comment here on the on the chat from Delali Badassou, thank you Delali and the comment is governments and philanthropists can consider how to involve recipients in the campaign To raise resources with a principle of giving back the show appreciation It's not to take back from them. I guess the the aspect of the but the opportunity Uh to be involved and I guess maybe that speaks to your earlier presentation kinsley On the nature of of giving and the and the nature of engagement as well with philanthropy It's important as important to be involved After the act of philanthropy as you like as as much as it is is beforehand Um Is it do you want to expand a little bit on that? I know you only had a short time earlier on but How can governments are? Oh, that's what's the role then maybe for once The act of philanthropy has been has been executed if you like What's the role for engagement afterwards and how can how can you do that better? Yeah, I found a very interesting thing. I'd be very incentive in your comments on this I found that philanthropy was a portal Through which people entered into relationship with their home country and then opened up the possibility of engaging on multiple levels In other words, you know a philanthropic gift perhaps a scholarship or a paid medical Something cancer or something like that And you get these people engaged you get to know them and then you realize that they've got business interests They've got cultural interests. They've got supporting interests. They've got cultural interests And you can actually begin to develop a relationship in on a multiplicity of levels with these people Which is really fascinating and and you kind of really get them fired up about this kind of relationship I think the glue in all of this is I think and I think Sanjeev mentioned it was a sense of belonging So we talk a lot about diversity and inclusion But I think if you listen to what people are saying now is diversity inclusion and belonging They call it dibs and I think it's a it's a fascinating concept to this notion now that people can belong You see people can read the daily newspapers Instantaneously people get information is just as quickly as I get it here in Dublin They get it in Melbourne or Los Angeles So I think that this is it's redefining that kind of state versus nation definitions Which I just mentioned which is so fascinating Sanjeev what do you think? Yes, Kingsley. Thank you for that segue. I do agree entirely with you. I have seen that myself Where philanthropic donors get involved with their country of origin for example And with the governments there and then that leads to further involvement in different areas Be it healthcare technology Be it the educational sector or what have you So and using philanthropy as the tip of the spear if you will as the gateway through which one enters the relationship And then further builds on it is is a concept that I have seen occur The one thing that I would like to add to that Is that I have also seen the reverse And I'm sure Kingsley has as well given his tremendous and long experience in Diaspora matters all over the world Uh and and and this by the way is a reason that I think Philanthropic organizations need to be very clued in to what is going on in the business and financial work What I've seen is that oftentimes At least in the Indian diaspora. I've noticed this, you know ad nauseam quite frankly Is that initially the relationship begins with a commercial transaction? an entrepreneurial venture A financial investment A venture capital bet You know a cross-order mna or collaboration And then that over time Leads to a better understanding from the Diaspora who is doing that investment About the issues that face that particular location or that that sector or that country in which he or she is invested And then that's also engaged here. I'm just wondering if we can we only have a few minutes left I'm wondering if we can just involve some members of the audience here. Sure and No, I'm Papka from Nigeria. Do you want to? Speak or ask a question. I see you have your hands raised Yes, I just wanted to make a comment a quick comment I agree with the previous speakers that Government should play the Facilitator role for diaspora and philanthropic engagement I think that governments can provide credible platforms where these conversations can begin In Nigeria, we have established an annual diaspora investment summit To provide a platform for diaspora Investors to interact with potential partners sponsors financiers Regulatory officials. I believe that a similar platform could also be created to enhance Engagement on diaspora Philanthropy. That's just what I wanted to add Yeah, thank you. Thank you everyone. I think that speaks to to what the Guys are saying earlier. I see patty not sin has it from Zambia patty. Did you want to? intervene Killian, thank you and also to Sanjeev and and Kingsley on sharing your reflections I just wanted to come in, you know talking about one of the long-term one of the important ingredients I think in diaspora engagement in addition to, you know, the wealth of information that's being shared here and in the chat And I think for me what really stands out is the long-termism And I think that when when when governments Or even let's say local organizations that are in the home countries engage with diaspora It's sort of important to to leverage on this part that diaspora are in there for the long term diaspora would not be like a development agency It would not be like a diet, you know an fdi. They're there for the long term They're there for the long term because they are deeply rooted relationships connections Identities and many other aspects that go that go to their engagement in home countries But also the same thing I think would happen for those diaspora that have established home in the destination countries And I think that's what, you know, Sanjeev is talking about, you know the action to where you are So I think that long-termism is very important and I think that really changes how government would then engage with diaspora We're not just coming in to get diaspora bonds. We're just not coming in to ask for, you know Moving into an area of green investment. We're also not just coming in to deal with crisis a humanitarian crisis But we're coming in for the long term So really being given that active seat as a development actor and as a development partner And I think we see that very evident from kind of individual agency, you know When diaspora have individual agency All the way to something that's more organized or structured at that very global level and then the last thing I just wanted to chime in Achille and here. I think is the point that you raised on on on generational engagement I am in the diaspora. I'm based here in Kosovo And I've had siblings that have lived in the uk 10 years my young sister who's 10 years younger than me Has a totally different relationship to my country Zambia than I have I've struggled a lot that fact that I haven't been able to go home And I think she struggles less and she would definitely be suffocating if I had her here in pristina and not have connection to london so I think All that comes back to her engagement and I often give this example from two sisters Her engagement is very much based on how I engage how my mother engages who's also In the diaspora and how others around her engage So I think having a very targeted and intentional diaspora strategy with this new generation Will be very critical. Otherwise, I think we stand the chance to just lose out In terms of the the home countries themselves. Thanks again for this platform Thank you. Thank you. That's a great intervention there and you know, I guess the aspery experience differs from person to person from all of us One more intervention here. I have someone called timor if we need to do you want to have a very brief introduction Uh, sorry intervention and um thereafter, we'll wrap up the session timor or the floor is yours Timor You're on mute Never mind. Okay. So Guys, we've more or less run out of time Anyway, I think we've had a really Great session. I'm going to hear from the audience at the end We have a hard stop at 12. I've just been notified and so just to kind of wrap things up here We've talked today about the importance of diaspora philanthropy. We talked about the life cycle of giving We've talked about the role of government as well and that more of a facilitator less perhaps as a as a as an executor And it's roles facilitator as a partner as a stakeholder to work with the asper organizations to encourage the asper philanthropy and I think some of the important things as well that we've heard Both from sanji and from almas is on the the nature of philanthropy itself You know, it's give where you live It's philanthropy not just countries of of origin but also countries of residence and our destination and the importance of that as well And I think we had a really crucial intervention is from from paddy at the end talking about the importance of long-termism that You know Engagement philanthropy shouldn't just follow election cycles and he needs a vision. He's long-term thinking And so with that in mind, thank you. Well, I want us to hang over hand over the king's league as session hosts for his closing Reflections in two minutes piece things. Thank you. Oh, well, I didn't I didn't anticipate that But I what one of the points I was going to make is that, you know, what's wonderful about your session Kilian and listening to sanjeev and listening to paddy and others Is that this is a non competitive industry when you think about it? You know, somebody who's going to give money to finland or peru or poland or india, you know It's not going to give money to sweden or swaziland. So so we should collaborate cooperate and And and contribute to each other as much as possible. I'm a I'm a founder member of an organization called case which stands for copy and steal everything so figure Figure out who's doing this really really well and will it work in my country, you know So, you know, let you look at a program like tag lease in in in israel where they bring young people back And I think this has been a very powerful motivator to engage young people around the diaspora And you know hundreds of thousands have gone on this program any country anywhere can do a program like tag lead We had another program in ireland some years ago called the gathering where we actually Invited the diaspora to come back in one particular year And hundreds of thousands came back five thousand events were held any country can do a gathering In fact, scotland did one in fact scotland did it first and we copied scotland Back to case copy and steal everything So I think that that's the fascinating thing about fora like today discussions and listening I love listening to the sanjis of this world because I'm going to go away with some ideas Hearing patty's contribution was fantastic. So articulate and so brilliant So I think that you know, we have so much to learn gillian Just go away figure out what bits work and figure out what bits don't work because you know, I actually have a paper I wrote it's 25 reasons You've failed and it sometimes do Have some competition here So back to you guys Yeah, let's we have to wrap up. There's a hard stop at 12 sanji. Thank you to you as well The feedbacks and comments and the insights from today will all feedback into the outcome document for the summit And we hope to see a lot on philanthropy uh diaspora philanthropy in there So once again, thank you for everyone and we'll see you at the forthcoming sessions this afternoon. Thank you Killian Kingsley and thanks for the audience. Thanks guys Enjoy the session. Bye. Bye