 it's it is tricky working at municipal level because all you know municipalities are all different so if you find something that works in one city it might not work in the other city but i think a general rule of thumb i agree 100 with you Joel if in every city and one thing i do know about every city is they want their economies to thrive and grow and so if you can find any sort of demand from the local business community for data assets that the city might have and you know make a make a clear case to the city that their business community wants this data and would benefit from it would be happier if they had better access to it then then you'll start gaining traction the the important thing i think to to remember here is that um you know we talked before we've mentioned before like a lot of open data discussion has its roots in transparency and an oversight by watchdog groups and things like that unfortunately you know i'm just gonna call it like it is that those conversations don't usually don't go very far right especially when you're talking to cities that uh you know usually have pretty tight budgets if you go in and say hey we really want you to open up your data because we want to see how bad of a job you're doing and everything we can make your lives harder so what they hear is you're asking me to do more work so that you can make my life harder you know as a result so usually those conversations don't go very far so if you can find some sort of traction where you can say hey listen your constituents would benefit from this they would like you more because of this you're gonna you're gonna get the conversation going and then hopefully that'll lead to a more sort of open by default environment which will eventually lead to more oversight