 Okay, seeing we have a quorum present combined with our two online participants board members and those here start this by calling this meeting to order. This will be the October 17th meet regular meeting of the development review board of Montpelier and I will start by introducing the board members starting on my right. Vice chair. Kevin O'Connell, board member. Meredith Crandall, staff. Rob Goodwin, chair. And we have Michael Azorchik. Michael Azorchik, board member. And Gene. Gene Leon, board member. Perfect. Okay. With that, turn over to Meredith for a quick overview of our remote meeting procedure since we have. I'm going to keep this really brief because the only people we have on remotely right now are board members. So this is mostly for anybody watching via work media. Okay. I actually put down my little spiel give me just a second. We're going to wing it. Okay, so for anybody watching tonight's development review board meeting via the zoom platform. You can access tonight's meeting and participate ask questions just make comments by typing this link here into your web browser, or you can call in at this phone number and plug in this meeting ID. If you're having any issues logging into the meeting, please email me at mcrandall at Montpelier hyphen vt.org I will be monitoring my email throughout the meeting. In case anybody needs to get in and can't I will do my best to assist you. If you do log in remotely please know that turning on your video is optional, and we will ask that you remain muted unless you're speaking. If somebody does log on remotely. We'll all call it a point, some point in a break to just check and see who you are and see what it is you want to talk about so that we can have you speak at the appropriate time. If somebody tried to log on and be unable to and I would get noticed of that through my email, then we will have to continue the hearing to a time and place certain because the online access is listed as an option for accessing this public hearing. All right, I will turn this back over to the chair. Thank you Meredith. Next item will be approval of the agenda. Motion by Sharon. Loads in favor of improving agenda say hi. Gender is approved. Thank you all for coming this evening. We wish everyone safety out there COVID levels of coming gone and whatnot, but we're still here and everyone appears to be healthy so that's, that's good. We have one application this evening. And so, yeah, John, but come on up. But hold on, we got to approve the minutes from October 3rd. We actually have that on after a dairy lane for tonight. We do. Yeah, we bumped it to the end. Yeah, I miss it every time and then you changed it on. I think because I think it was a, we tend to do at the end for designer view committee. So we can keep it this way if you want. Okay. No taken. I do. So, you know the drill so we'll swear you in for tonight's testimony. You saw me swear or firm testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury. I do. Yes. Yes, you just would you like to introduce yourself. Okay, I'm Jack McCullough. I live on town street in Montpelier and I am not the applicant I am the applicants Adam McCullough and Mary McGuigan are my son and daughter in law and I help them prepare the application. And because my daughter in law is out of town and my son is home with their two daughters. I offered to come and present this application for them. The proposal is an application to widen their driveway and curb cut. Essentially so that they can get in and out of the driveway without having one of them back the car out depending on who's out and who's in back the car out with the kids now as well. To let the other one in or out. We have the proposal is to widen the driveway by 8 feet. And I was informed by Meredith that the Department of Public Works wanted us to check on how wide the driveway is now and we checked we measured the other day. The driveway is 15 feet 9 inches. So with the addition of 8 feet that would bring it to 23 feet 9 inches. And according to Corey line at the Department of Public Works, they would have no objection to the driveway widening as long as it's no more than 24 feet. We also have letters from from two of the neighbors. Mary Ann Sullivan at one dear field drive and. Andy and Joe Joey at crane. I'm having difficult a little trouble reading their name, but these are the neighbors directly across the street at. At one at nine Derry Lane and they indicate that they have that they support the proposal to widen the driveway at eight Derry Lane and I can provide those letters. So it's a nice bonus. Yes, thank you. And. Yeah, and the people in the nine Derry Lane already have a driveway that's double wide that is directly across the street from them. So I would think that they're the people who would be potentially most affected by them in terms of pulling out or or pulling in. And they have no objection to it. I think that's about all I have to say unless there are any questions. That's probably good for now, Meredith you how to give a summary here of key points. Yeah, I mean I think that, you know, because with the new information and I actually have an email of that backing up the measurement but we've also had it mentioned here on the record. The, the max width of the curb cut was one of the things that the board needed to make sure was within the V trans DPW requirements, and that is now we know that. So really, the big thing here is does the DRB feel like the driveway being widened so that it is now less than 100 feet from the closest intersection, do they feel like that's an acceptable change. I, you know, personally looking at all the information both from the neighbors and from Department of Public Works. And the fact that this is a small driveway that my suggestion is to lean that way but it's the board's call. That is the only issue outstanding here and that's under section 3010. This is the distance between them they didn't have any problems there. They had no problems there between between the distance from the intersection to this drive between it's right now it's. I think it's going to be maybe four feet less than the minimum distance of 100 feet. And this is a very, this is not a highly traveled road at all. You know, it's already, we're not, I didn't flag the distance from like the driveways across the street anything like that because those, those current non conformities aren't going to change. That's not an issue. And, and honestly, you know, if I had it, this is just one of those things where it just has to come to the board because I don't have the discretion to authorize this. I would submit that this is really an incidental change. And, you know, I'm prepared to make a motion to approve whenever the chair teams at appropriate. I will just have I have one one question. Just for clarity here. At what point do we measure from from the intersection. Has that defined in the rigs. It is. So you measure from the inside of the curb to the inside of the curb and with the, you know, you've got for this for the intersection. It would be sort of from the, the rounded point if it's not a clear corner probably midpoint of the curve. Yeah. Got you. Yeah. All right. Perfect. I'm a. So we have a motion from. Yes, go ahead, Kevin. Yeah. Motion Kevin motion for me. Motion for Kevin to approve the application as proposed. I don't think there's anything more to that. So yeah, is there a second. I second that motion. Second by Sharon. Any discussion on the motion. Nothing from our remote board members seeing none on a remote platform and in the room here. Sharon, how do you vote. Kevin. Yes. Abby. Gene. Michael. Yes. Rob myself was yes, that is unanimously approved. Great. Thanks everybody. Good to see you all. So the official approval will follow the written decision. If this isn't a really complicated decision, so it shouldn't take too long. I will aim to get that out as soon as possible. It'll need the chair signature, but we'll be able to issue the permit the same time we issue the decision. We can we normally mail that, but we've still been having issues with certified mail. So we'll probably email you and Adam and Mary and suggest that somebody come and pick it up. Okay. Okay. submit at these comments to make sure. Oh yeah. Into the record. Yep. We'll get stamped and put in the file. Thanks. Good to see everybody. Good to see Jack. See you later. Thank you. I'm curious what's happening with certified mail and just not happening. We've, we've had the last two years we've had all sorts of issues sending certified mail to either businesses or personal homes where the post office. I don't know if they just make one trip and then don't go again and then it sits in the post office for sometimes up to a month and then we finally get it back so that permit and the blue notice card are just in limbo when it's supposed to have been posted up at the site. So in general, we aren't mailing those automatically anymore, even though we're required to send decisions certified mail under statute. We have to send all decisions out certified mail so we actually do the certified mail card in our office and make people sign math before we give them the decision. Next item will be to approve the minutes for October 3. I'll make a motion to approve the men minutes from October 3 motion by Abbey. By gene. And the discussion on the approval of the minutes. Seeing none. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Minutes are approved for October 3. Thank you all. And so the next meeting will be the November 7 November 7 three weeks. And there is one application. That I think is a sketch plan for a PUD, which this board has never actually reviewed a PUD under the new regs. So it's new territory, but it's also sketch plan. So, you know, it's good to have the discussion about how we are going to proceed with reviewing that final application and certainly a good point for feedback so you have time to look at that ahead of time that be awesome. Yep. And this will be a PUD that's trying to take advantage of the density bonuses. Yep. And so this will be the first time with the board interpreting how to actually calculate that because it is not spelled out in the regulations as to how to calculate a 50% density bonus. What numbers you use that are trying to find 50% of. Yep, it's all on that pending applications page so you can go take a look at it now. And then anything that I add to the packet along with my staff report will get folded in and the version that's online on the agenda in a couple of weeks. So there's that and just a quick heads up if we're in other business if I can. Please. Um, so Monday this coming Monday the 24th, the planning commission will be taking up the new design guidelines that the Historic Preservation Commission put together so these are the guidance for both the zoning administrator the designer and the city for administering the regulations as well as for any applicants or just property owners in the city in how to follow the design regulations, as well as just pointers on maintenance of homes and buildings. There's all sorts of stuff in here that isn't actually requirements that just guidance. The planning commission will be taking that up, they need to approve it, and then it'll go to city council as approved quote unquote policy, so that we can actually start issuing that to people for guidance on how to, to meet those standards. So if you're interested and want to just log in and take a look feel free. Just make sure it was out there, because if, if somebody does use that as a basis for appealing something, they don't like that the design review committee did the board will need to be familiar with them. Sounds like we're going to be. We're going to be creating prejudice precedence with these new with these new, these new requests for the dense for density. Yes, I'm sorry. For the November 7 meeting. How the board, ultimately, when we get to the final application. How they interpret that density bonus yeah that'll be precedent so whatever guidance you give the applicant during sketch on the seventh. That's going to steer them. It's going to start the process. We have to have a really good reason to give them different guidance on the final application and will we give them in sketch so. Yes, so yeah. College. But the end of North. It's the one of the very, very end of North college. Hold on, hold on, I will. I can pull it up on zoom give me a second. And I can share my screen. What's the address. 12 North college street. Oh, okay. We team what do you want to say. I'm familiar with the property. I could get some insight when that time comes. I did on it actually and I spent a couple hours a good amount of time in and out of that building. It's quite interesting. Yeah. So, here's main street. Here's town street. Yep, up here is Murray Hill. And here's North college it's kind of weird because it's nowhere in your college street. Oh yeah sorry. Thank you. Sorry. I got ahead of myself share screen. Okay. Up here is Murray Hill. Big condo development that's been there forever right. Here's main street. Town street, town Hill road. When you go instead of taking going downtown Hill road you make this left and then North college street nowhere near college street is off of town. And the parcel, I don't have the parcel map is here at the end so it's a funky little rectangle shaped like this. So, I'm not even sure it's a road there. Yeah, I was, I was thinking. No, no, and this is this is a huge previously barn that parts of it were converted already to dwelling unit. Which is, oh that is okay. Yeah, this is. So the proposal in the sketch, and this is all just a preview you can go go look is to renovate the inside of this into five dwelling units. And it's I mean it's like, it's like 10,000 10,000 square feet inside something it's huge. Yeah, it. Yeah, so it's going to be a really interesting application and I look forward to everybody's thoughts on, it looks like the driveway also connects on to main street but maybe you can't see that. No, that's a different that's a different driveway that's a different driveway connects here to this. Yeah. But no this just dead ends right here. Yeah, I don't see how they could put the driver is pretty narrow going in and then the parking spaces is quite limited because I think we should probably leave the specific discussion to the to the meeting so people don't get confused since we're on the record here. Yeah. Yeah, so you can but go feel free to go to the pending applications page that's linked if you look in the left hand column of the agendas page there's a pending applications for hearings. The application for this project as submitted is there you can review it. And you know take notes at this point but then make sure to, to, you know hold any final conclusions for yourself for the sketch plan until you see the final packet that gets posted with the meeting agenda the week before the seventh because there will be any final comments that I add, as well as my staff report and anything else that that I collect during my full review over the next couple of weeks. When you pull it up on the, um, what's the name of the application. Oh, Okay, I'll talk to Audra it must have accidentally got renamed something. I looked at it and I was like, hmm, an employment. Okay, that's a first for the answer a little new job. Oh, thank you for that. I'm reading it for like, and I went to something else and look at my tabs and it said employment application I'm like, what? So I think that's it for this evening. We have attendance taken I believe so I will accept the motion for adjournment. Second. Alrighty. Motion to adjourn seconded. All those in favor say hi. Hi. Good night everyone. Thank you everybody.