 Oh, we're live. Okay. Thank you, Roger. Sorry. I had to check in on something. Apologies. Apologies. All right, you guys ready? Yep. Here I'll do it in 14 Can I get that? Okay, we're gonna do it in just about 10 seconds Okay, all right five four three two one Daily Tech News show is powered by you to support the show directly head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, October 12th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from sailors nub studio. I'm Shannon Morse From a perfect fall day in Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta And from a chilly but now balmy part of LA County. I'm the producer. Oh sure Let's talk a little bit about a Facebook hack in a little bit. It's not as bad as it Would be originally appeared in one way, but maybe it's worse in another way. Let's start with the tech things you should know Tech crunch published a screenshot from Superteak Bose showing an Instagram feature that lets you tap through posts instead of scrolling in the same way You would with Instagram stories themselves tap tap tap to go through the photos Instagram told tech crunch It's testing the the tap to advance feature in the explore tab It is not considering bringing it to the main tab at least not right now That's good One password has disabled the auto submission of passwords in its latest Mac app macOS Mojave Restricts the ability to app of apps to virtually press the return key one password for Mac can still autofill It just means you have to press the return key yourself crippling that malware Hopefully it's software co-founder and Oculus CTO John Carmack and his personal legal battle with Zenny max appears to be over based on tweets from Carmack and Zenny max so they're not suing each other however the lawsuit between Oculus and Zenny max Has not been resolved yet. That appears to be continuing the core issue Of course is that Zenny max says some of its technology developed by Carmack Well still at id when owned by Zenny max was being inappropriately used by Carmack When he was at Oculus or at least he was he gave it to Oculus even before he left Zenimax Carmack was accused of having stolen those secrets after copying files from his office computer So anyway, does any max not going after Carmack anymore? We'll see if the other shoe drops with the Oculus Zenny max lawsuit. Let's talk a little bit more though about the Google home hub Shannon Yeah, Google announced its smart display platform earlier this year essentially its Android things running on Qualcomm's SD to 624 home hub platform so far Lenovo LG and Samsung's JBL have all put out products that run it ours Technica's Ron Amadeo points out that Google isn't one of them the new Google home hub Google VP of product management Dia Jolly told Amadea that the Google home hub is built on Googlecast And it runs on an amlogic chip which usually our budget chips meant for smart TVs and media players I found this quite surprising giving that the Lenovo which I've tested personally for a review on tech thing I loved it. I thought it was really nice It was very fluid and I had no issues as far as using it as far as user experience goes So I guess Google home hub maybe decided to save some money But the interface also from a lot of what I've seen on their commercials looks a little bit different from the Lenovo one as well Yeah, it works the same way, but you know, there's no camera. There's there's there's no other things So Amadeo puts forth the the same theory that you just did that. Hey, you know What's cheaper than a Qualcomm chip on an amlogic chip, you know And we already talked about the fact that not including a camera While being promoted as a privacy protecting feature also brings down the price and this thing is $149 that's 50 bucks cheaper than the Lenovo, which is $200 It's a seven-inch screen, which is a smaller screen than the Lenovo So it really does feel like Google was trying to only spend money on the things they thought were essential and Developed it In a way that indicates that oh, maybe running Android things is pricey If you can do this on cast with an amlogic chip Why why not why not let all your partners do that too? It's classic Google where you have two teams doing two different things Yeah, I think a lot of the times we we will just specifically look at the specs when those are coming out and think oh It has the worst chip. I don't know if it's going to be as good of a product But given that it's coming out from Google and they have you know quite a backing with developing products so far And they've done very very good jobs with those products I'm curious to see if this one is going to work as well as the other like third-party platforms that I've seen so far and Given what I've known about them in the past. I think that it will but of course We won't know for sure until we actually see the reviews of this product coming out Yeah, and on the other side of this a lot of people have criticized the the Android things platform the smart display platform in particularly running on Qualcomm for being overpowered that the Qualcomm chip Requires a gig of memory, which you know, it doesn't sound like a lot when a personal computer But for Internet of Things devices you don't necessarily need that much all the time So this may be just a more appropriately powered device, especially at a seven-inch display You know, you run a smart TV you run a big old HDTV on an amlogic chip. Why not run a smart display? Yeah, right? They're making us pay attention to actual logic here logic Facebook is rolling out the 3d photo feature it announced back at f8 in May a photo shot in portrait mode on iOS can now be Converted to 3d letting other Facebook users tap click and kind of move their head in the oculus to see behind the subject Facebook says it will support pictures from more phones in the future So a couple of these in my timeline this morning and you know, they're I don't know Somewhat unremarkable photos, but it is pretty cool So you have to have iOS right now to take advantage of this, but you wouldn't need they could they could bring this this kind of depth-sensing Image from other platforms over Okay, then you have to have taken your photo in that mode on whatever phone And then people have to decide. Oh, I want to interact with this photo in that way It's it's a what you're saying is There's a lot of limitations At this point a lot of hurdles to people really having to make a difference Shannon. What were you trying to say? I'm sorry. I was gonna say I want this available for Android phones. It's kind of to me It's kind of like using like panorama mode or using portrait mode You have to think about it before you actually use it So you have to set up the picture to be Exclusively used for this 3d photo feature and everything But it is one of those Additional perks that you're getting on the iOS platform and I would like to see it available on Android in the future I know it will be so I'm just looking forward to it. Yeah, I just wonder how much I mean It always feels like something you want more when it's not on your platform But I just wonder how how much people are really gonna use this. It's also available for Oculus which makes more sense to me, although Reading the newsfeed in Oculus doesn't make sense to me But I guess if you are doing that then you could be like Oh because you don't have to tap or click you just like turn your head and it's basically a parallax effect It doesn't really let you look behind, right? The image Almost looking around the corner so to speak Shannon and you mentioned panorama photos. It's like yeah How many panorama photos you've seen people posts anywhere? Not very many but every so often I'm like, oh, that's cool I see where that came in handy. This is one of those things to me, too. It's not going to change our newsfeed It's not it's you know, it's it's certainly not changing photos But but when you see we you know, the first couple it was a friend of mine drew old one off Actually, some of you might know him It posted a picture of his cat and I was like a cute picture. Oh neat. I see how that how that works It's kind of doing it just to do it Yeah And those kinds of things often just kind of fizzle out and people stop doing it because the novelty wears off But we'll see maybe wrong in this case Who knows speaking of novelty? Samsung's head of mobile DJ co told CNET that yes Samsung's upcoming folded little device will function as a tablet like a full-screen tablet when unfolded Including multitasking, but when you fold it up will work like a smartphone goes Thought to be expected to be he didn't confirm this part of the story But he's expected to maybe announce more details about this at the Samsung developer conference on November 7th Where he's he's delivering the keynote. It would be a weird place to announce a phone like this to a developer conference Although I guess there are a lot of developer concerns and creating an app that would work in both modes But it's not really that much different than creating a universal app as it is This is a weird product. Yeah, okay, that's where I wanted that's where I wanted to go next Do you want a phone that unfolds into a tablet? If if it worked really well, and it didn't break after like two months of folding and unfolding it Which is my biggest worry with something like this is over time if the screen is going to diminish as far as its quality goes So I really want to see how this thing is built and see if it's if it would actually last me for a long time because I'm guessing given that, you know, it'd be it would be newer technology It'll probably cost quite a lot too. So I don't want to waste my money on something like this Unless I will be able to have it for a couple of years and be able to get some use out of it We were talking the other day on the show about you know, the idea of you know If you have a phone that's big enough, do you need a tablet and you know When do tablets still really make a lot of sense and e-readers and the whole thing? I would love if my iPhone and I do use an iPhone Could somehow magically become twice as big and be closer to an iPad so that I don't have to have two devices because Because my iPhone has gotten bigger over time since the six plus came out. I use an iPad very seldom But I would like to have more functionality in my phone You know that would also yeah There's all sorts of questions like well when it's the phone is it like too thick because of course, you know It hasn't unfolded. It's not that you know the tablet yet, but I love the idea of having a transformer device. Yeah I you know, I in practice it you know it as you mentioned Shannon It completely depends on how it's made and and and yeah, can it withstand being manipulated over time, but I Would I would pay more I would pay more for a device that gives me two different things Hinge is hinge. Hinge tech is so good now. I'm less worried about it breaking although if it's not very expensive Then I worry that they cheaped out on the him Concern I'm more worried about the form factor just not working I've always thought this kind of thing works with a rollable screen versus a fold out because that your phone is always Going to be twice as thick as your tablet for this to work. So I don't know. Yeah Well, we'll see what happens. Maybe we'll see it at CES. That would be awesome Moving on YouTube announced that it is reviewing new and existing YouTube partners program participants for duplicative content YouTube says even if your upload is fair use or you have a license It may kick you out of the program if you don't add anything else to a channel, but duplicative content The channels would stay online just no longer be able to generate money Yeah, this is the kind of announcement that's rife with possibilities for misunderstanding They're not banning people from YouTube with this particular move This is the partner program which allows you to monetize So if they deem that your channel is nothing but duplicates of other people's content, they're gonna kick you out of the program It's not so much about Piracy as it is about quality because they're saying we don't care if you have fair user or a license It's not it's not whether you have the right to use it It's that we don't want to be focusing our monetization efforts on Content that can be found in another channel. That's more popular or is the originator We want original content in the channels that we work with in the partner prop program. I Get why that would be a concern, but is that fair? I mean, what what if you are an aggregator chain? It kind of rules out the idea of someone creating like a really cool Curated aggregator channel. I don't know that that's that valuable, but that definitely is not going to be monetizable under this It sounds like they are trying to get rid of People who are just, you know, straight-up stealing copyrighted content or even content that is using the YouTube Content license, but they are just duplicating it and creating a brand new channel And using that to monetize and make money off of this original content For example, there's a channel. There's multiple channels out there that have straight up stolen hack 5 content And just like downloaded the video and stuck it on a new channel And in that case it completely makes sense that they would want to remove those channels and you know Focus on the people that are actually creating the content. However, if you're a journalist, that's not what's going on here They're not removing channels. This isn't about copyright. This is just demonetizing them They're saying if if you're duplicating and you have the right to let's say they got your permission They're gonna kick them out of the partner program, right? Which kind of speaks to how popular YouTube is and how you know, how many videos are actually, you know They take up a lot of space, right? Because You know, the last YouTube video that I uploaded was well depends on the video, of course But it was not insignificant and I think that YouTube if it wanted to seem like hey You know a lot of people are using this platform. Look at all these, you know Look at all these accounts and yeah, there's you know, lots of lots of action on a duplicative Account that YouTube deems is you know falls within what you just mentioned Shannon YouTube's like we already have this once we don't we don't we don't need this again Like this is it's too much for us. So I think again, it's it's it's definitely YouTube not Wanting to inflate numbers at all. It's wanting to make sure that they don't have content there that is taking up space on servers What I do worry about is when when it falls into various which they said, you know It won't be demonetized if you're if you're using things. They said it will be demonetized This this this story is very confusing. This is there's a different journalism. No, there's a different There's a different program for fighting copyright abuse. This is not it This is saying we don't care if it's fair use We don't care if you have a license if your channel is entirely made up of duplicative content We're going to demonetize you now if you have other things in there besides this Let's say you've got a few duplicated Videos that you have the license to but the other things in your channel are original then we won't kick you out What they're saying is we're going after channels where they don't provide anything new or anything original They're just copying it straight up and they don't Yeah, okay, so so they would end up demonetizing like that the ones that are stealing the hack 5 videos For example, I would not only demonetize those those would get kicked out for copyright infringement to under a separate effort Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh YouTube Well, if that story weirded you out this one is a little bit of a head scratcher as well What's up is holding live events throughout India where people perform skits to raise awareness about fake news That gets shared on what's up actors are riding in trucks to various locations to perform these skits Now you might say who is paying for this and why the campaign is Cosponsored by mobile carrier reliance geo and the skits include instruction on how to install what's up on a geo phone Huh, so so it's two things. It's like this is how you know when a story is fake Also, the geo phone might be the next phone for you people in India. Well It's it's a marketing effort. Yeah, or what's up and geo like let's show you how cool What's up is let's show you how cool geo phones are but they are using that which they would probably do anyway to also Put forth the message of hey, you know what when you get a stranger alleging something don't necessarily believe it immediately Here's how to tell if it's fake or not Here's how to unsubscribe yourself from from weird groups that you do don't remember subscribing to so you can look at It as how cynical they're using this public service message as a way to market their programs Or you can look at it as how great they're using their marketing program to also provide a public service message Well, and who's going to the live events? I mean if you're getting a if you're getting a good crowd Then then yeah, it's going to be fruitful I cannot imagine in my neighborhood if any mobile carrier and what's up got together And we're like, you know, let's let's talk about fake news and we're gonna do it in like a fun skitway with actors I wouldn't go it sounds cheesy It's horrible, but it but I don't know maybe it's effective and maybe you know again And you know in certain locations around the world and particularly India It might be kind of fun and like a community fellow teenagers Well, I mean part of it is that in India those parts that they're going to have a high level Illiteracy so people aren't going to necessarily be able to read it in a newspaper That you know unless you have well-meaning neighbors that all get together and have the same message You can get kind of convoluted so there is a bit of citizen But at the same time it does both it's a marketing and public service You know thing at the same time which you know when people tell you to recycle your bottle that you just bought at our Local supermarket. They're doing a public service, but also telling you hey, you know if you need another bottle of water to come to our store Or or any of those the more you know here in the US where you know The network is promoting itself but promoting itself and doing public service messages at the same time because that makes them look good Yeah, or when the beer when the beer commercial tells you to be responsible Yeah, but drink our beer Don't drink a drive. I mean It's not necessarily making the message wrong or bad. No, you just you just know there's an agenda There's a financial agenda and that's okay. Um if anybody has a good I don't know a season of these skits in person or into one of the YouTube videos of them I would love to see him share him with us feedback at daily tech news show dot com Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com. Don't delay do it now. All right Facebook announced that it's investigation of the login token attack. This is the one we talked about last week has found That it wasn't 50 million. They they'd worried it was up to 50 million affected It was 30 million accounts affected with unauthorized access The name and contact details so maybe phone number maybe email address for 29 million was accessed So 30 million affected 1 million of those they didn't get anything 29 million they got the account copy the name and the contact details and a further 14 million The attackers accessed birth date gender location relationship status religion hometown self-reported current city Education employer devices used last 10 places checked into on the site or last 10 places tagged in People in pages followed 15 most recent searches on Facebook That's a lot of personal info But none of it credit card none of it financial none of it secure social security number stuff like that Facebook found no evidence that the attackers accessed personal messages financial data or Used the tokens to log into third-party websites, which was another concern about this now Facebook has invalidated all these tokens It's important to note that passwords were never accessed all they got was the token that was generated after a password was put in by the actual user And then they copied it so changing your password doesn't help you in this case Facebook has invalidated all the stolen tokens So as long as you got forced to re-log in you're fine as far as this attack goes Facebook has also added a notice to the bottom of Facebook comm slash help slash security notice That will tell you if you're logged into Facebook whether the company believes you were affected And if so, how much of your information was exposed? They also say they don't see any evidence of this info being spread in any dark channels out there They can't know everything but all right. So we know 14 million people had a lot of info stolen We know that they are now secure against this attack happening again because they've patched the vulnerability and invalidated the tokens Shannon what happens next? What what are the people likely to try to do with this stolen information? well, if if somebody is actually using this information nefariously they would probably go on Onto the deep web and then go further into the dark web and try to sell it somewhere To a buyer a potential buyer because it's quite valuable information especially if somebody is going to use this and You know sell it to a marketer or sell it to somebody who could make a lot of money off of that type of information Politically it could be very useful. So so this Information could still get leaked several months down the road and just because Facebook has said like oh, we don't see any any Validation that is been leaked yet After the hack doesn't necessarily mean that it won't get hacked in the future or won't get leaked in the future For the more and it might end up being publicly available at some point or another So that's definitely something to consider with the fact that so many people 14 million with all that information Plus that additional 15 million with just name and contact details just Had all that information hacked So it's definitely crucial crucial for users to even I would go as far as considering should you keep your Facebook account because they obviously had This kind of breach and this was based on three different vulnerabilities on their site All of which had nothing to do necessarily with your data, but the way that you were viewing it as so it was a code It was a very specific pile of code on there on their website that allowed these attackers to get in Now they did preface this by saying third-party apps weren't a part of this breach And they also went as far as to say that included messenger and Instagram WhatsApp Oculus all the different ownerships of Facebook So none of those were affected and that was something that I definitely wanted to get some clarity on and they also Notified the public in this statement that they just put out today That they are working with the FBI specifically so earlier They had clarified that they were working with authorities. So now we know that they are working with the FBI However, we still don't know who the exact perpetrators were who was involved. So we don't know Yeah, we don't know if it was state-sponsored. I mean, I'm sure that they know I'm sure that they are digging into that and probably FBI as well Valid suspicions and they're not ready to yeah, because they're not ready to bring charges yet Yeah, exactly. So we we still don't know who was involved or where that information went So as users, what can you do? I mean, you don't need to change your password necessarily. However, I always recommend that you do change your password for everything Maybe I mean so much personal information was was stolen in this I would go as far as deleting my Facebook account if I didn't know deleting your Facebook account won't Won't do anything to Protect you against the no because this is that information is already out there. So if you delete your Facebook account It's it's to punish Facebook Not not to do anything to protect yourself It's to punish Facebook, but it's also to cut off one of the many different social networks that could be tied to that information Well, and that's the key, right? It's not about them getting access to anything that you have. It's about them fishing Yes, and using your information to either target you or pretend to be you exactly and if your if that information is already out There which we're going to assume that it is for you know, this this story Then it's highly crucial that you take the proper steps ahead of time so that you don't end up getting fished Or your family members don't get up ending fished or you or your friends Because that's it's so easy for somebody to go on and create a fake profile or create some information online That looks close enough to that personal information that they stole Yeah, that they would be able to fish somebody that you know and steal their information to Facebook comm slash help slash security notice if it says they you had some information stolen You should be aware and make your friends and family aware that it is going to be easy for someone to pretend to be you because they know Your relationship status your religion your hometown your email address your phone number all of this stuff And and and be extra guarded about unusual Connections that happen whether it's an email or a phone call That that try to get you to do something especially if it's send money or provide further identifying information because that's That's what this information would be good for Is someone trying to build you out of some money by pretending to either be you or a friend of you because they now know all this stuff about you Yeah, I'm glad it wasn't 50 million like they said it was 30 million But that's still a lot of people and quite a few even of my information security friends who have Facebook accounts were included in this breach so it's a pretty serious issue and It's something that we should take seriously and definitely notify your friends like Tom said and if you were involved in this breach now Granted, I'm not going to tell anybody who was affected by this breach They shouldn't be mad and delete their Facebook account like I get it, you know If you you get really upset, but it isn't going to fix anything and for someone who isn't mad But it's like rationally thinking like well, you know, should I is this gonna happen again? How data breaches are happening, right? You should always be careful about what kind of data you store anywhere because I assume that pretty much anything out there Can be breached with that kind of attitude Do you think Shannon just in your own opinion that that Facebook is at fault here? Or is this you know what people sometimes find vulnerable, but there's always going to be vulnerabilities people sometimes find them before the company can Where they negligent is kind of what I'm what I'm getting at Yeah, absolutely. I do think that they were negligent as far as they should have found this vulnerability for sure that the Why do you think that I don't think it should have been a vulnerability in the first place? I think that this should have been found by their team because they do have an internal team of security People and they should have been able to fix it long before this happened because it was open for a year So it was the bug. Okay, that's what I was getting at so they knew about the bug and it was open They didn't know about the bug. Oh, they didn't they they discovered that the problem was happening for a year But they only found it in September of 2018 Because the bad guys knew about it for a year then the internal team probably should have discovered it as well They probably should have yes. All right. All right, that's fair You know who else is fair Everyone who contributes to our subreddit a great community We have over there submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit comm Speak in a Facebook want to hang out with some cool folks who like talking tech Well, Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show was your new favorite community All right real quickly. Let's check out the mailbag. We got a lot of good responses in there. Did we ever? Oh my goodness So the idea of Apple possibly offering original content that can only be Accessed via Apple's own proprietary hardware devices got a lot of responses James and Chad both from Columbus, Ohio Chad says it's cold, but it is also sunny They had they had some some some similar ideas about how they thought about this James says nope Never gonna buy Apple devices. I'm not using Apple services. No matter what happens So their original content might as well not exist very much good It will do me feels feels almost as strongly against Disney streaming plans of content creators want to reach me They need to be where I am. I'm not subscribing to any new services Chad echoed that sentiment said Tom's absolutely right when it comes to streaming services that require new hardware a monthly cost or not the vitriol surrounding CBS Access and the lockdown on Star Trek discovery Do have a lot of people back to piracy to get the show that they wanted to see if Apple somehow strikes gold and has that hit show That they refuse to sell out of their own hardware ecosystem Then the pirate flags will go back up many of these companies forget too much friction hurts their bottom line Rather than forcing people into their ecosystem Rob from Pleasanton, California Had some similar thoughts as well said I won't be subscribing to an Apple streaming service I refuse to pay more for TV after cutting the court Netflix is still my favorite video streaming service for various reasons I can remember a time back in the late 2000s that certain channels would bring their shows on to Netflix the day after it aired I'd happily be able to watch it for the still affordable subscription price But everything's changed every channel wants their own piece of the streaming pie and in my opinion It's the reason that pirate streaming services on Kodi are on the rise because once what was an affordable show Say $9 now it's 1099 a month using Netflix is more expensive due to an all-acart model just to watch the shows I want to watch They're they're saying piracy and Kodi are on the rise without citing any numbers And I don't know that the numbers really do back that up So I don't know I think people get angry about stuff But I'm not sure this is all common sense, but I don't know there's evidence to back up the position Well, you know you also have the you know game of thrones, you know the HBO saying yeah Game of Thrones is the most pirated show or was a couple of years ago, right particularly in Australia, and they were like great Or we're happy about that because we're still getting HBO now subscriptions, right? All right, let's check in with Len Peralta who's been illustrating the show Len. What have you drawn for us today? You know, I've drawn a lot of things about Facebook Hacks and things like that in the past and this week I decided rather than drawing this kind of insidious thing I call this piece take me. I'm yours and It's a it's a gentleman with his arms outstretched Just with all this person personal information kind of on top of him in little notes that are That are just saying hey Here's all the information this might it might be easier at this point for hackers just to just to wear it Rather than you know be broken into here So I know a lot of this stuff that I drew did not happen You know like they didn't take your house key and stuff like that, but they might as well and So that's just my little take on this thing. He has a pretty good password That's pretty good But it doesn't do anything now that somebody has it, right? I mean social security number is missing a number though So well, that's see I didn't want to be so accurate that someone was going to try Well, thank you lead appreciate that check it out folks lemper all to store calm Thanks also to Shannon Moore Shannon. What has been going on and how can people keep up with your work? well, you can find me over at tekthing.com as well as Hack 5.org and Threat Wire is my channel over there recently on tech thing We've reviewed the brand new Acer Predator Helios 300 which was a really cool gaming laptop on a budget So I was very excited to check it out and over on Threat Wire Recently I've been discussing a whole bunch of information about Facebook as well as what's going on in the hacker realm So if you're interested in hearing about more of that, you can always find me on Twitter. 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This is unusual. He usually sleeps through the pre-empo show. Hi puppy He is cute, isn't he? Dude, is that a tablet in your pocket? I don't know about that. Is that a in your pocket anymore? I feel like that fair use of content YouTube demonetizes the duplicators. Okay That's it confusing to Happy birthday, Sarah Lane is That's lovely, but no It could be Do we want this question mark do we want to be hacked by Facebook do we want this Is this what we want a foldable phone and to be hacked That's funny the logic of am logic. I don't know. I just need a name Let's do Timmy We all call it the show Timmy the logic of am logic Logic and forcing portrait YouTube aggravates our YouTube stuff. Yes YouTube story for names than the Facebook story Facebook story is not that funny You want to do YouTube demonetizes duplicators no YouTube demonetizes the duplicators Do that demonizes All right. Oh you can do that on the tices Demonizes no no demonetize you'll probably get demonetized if you put demonize in Although it is Halloween something yet It is Halloween It's the season of Halloween the entire month is Halloween. Is that how it works? Yes? That's how it works in my house. Yeah, I got a little Halloween cat. Oh I thought you're talking about your like actual cat cat. I have a Halloween cat. Oh That's cute. Yeah, I got it from an anime convention. It's so adorable It's like a little witch cat. What do you have you seen the trailer for the new She-Ra on Netflix? Yes, I have you should watch it Shannon. It's very Sailor Moon. Really? Yeah Yay, is it a cartoon or real? It's cartoon. Okay. What do you think of it Roger? It's an interesting take. I will hold my my act, you know, like my I'm gonna watch the first couple of episodes before I make a judgment call I mean, it's definitely a shift in the in the appearance in it I think the story because the story seems a little altered which could be good. Well, I know what you're talking about I feel I think what they did is they took like a one-line throw away that was sort of a through line of these two characters knew each other once and and really like Expanded on that and made it like they didn't just know each other. They were best friends Well, the other thing is like will it be like, hey, I have a brother I have a twin brother. I never knew about that lives in the Universe kind of thing. So you man You know what the he-man reboot worked really well I was surprised But that was like seven years ago Undercatch wasn't that great though. It was good, but it wasn't great It's just to me. It's just weird where they bring back a bunch of old properties Like yes, it is not that I don't like them But it's like are we just so bereft of ideas that we just need to mine nostalgia to that? Yeah, that's the thing is like they're well the nostalgia part of it is okay But you're not aiming it at that audience. You're aiming it at their kids, which may I mean Exactly at their parents who want their kids who want their kids to love it the way that they loved it But yeah, I agree with you at the same time. It's like well, okay. I mean I don't know. Have you watched an old he-man cartoon? Yes. I still watch them. Yes I watch them for the end because they do a little PSA fine, but yeah, they do but and I have not recently But I did as a kid. It's like they're they're very deeded. It's not like oh, wow This is the best, you know, this is the best animation I've ever seen not at all Well, they reboot the things that are familiar because I'm right here. I'm on facebook I'm looking at this new show that's out today on netflix called the curious creations of christine mcconnell Now it looks like it might be good, but Okay, are you going to spend time watching it not knowing anything about it? Like, you know Okay, I mean, that's why they put you a little trailer I know but even so it's like, but yeah, no, I get it if it was the curious case of shira. He'd be like, what? I mean the the image of it looks pretty cool looks very halloweeny with vampires and ghouls and stuff, but I mean like part of my thing is like they did the Voltron reboot and I liked the first couple of seasons, but the last one was just really boring Like it's like they had a good idea where they wanted to go with it and then like Kind of ran out of steam after they like well, we're gonna do it this way Well, and it's the it's the same reason the chain restaurants work Which is you people just in general not talking about you whoever you are, but everybody else likes familiarity Right. Yeah, so they did a chain restaurant because they're like, well, I know what I'm gonna get You know and they they watch reboots and nostalgia stuff because they're like, oh, I know I like that I know I like that character. I like that world So it's why sequels sequels are the hot thing in sci-fi and fantasy You want to write a series? You don't want to write a single book standalone books Do crap No, that's why movies because I keep writing standalone books Movies movies have sequelitis video games are the worst everything does yeah Cars, I don't know the video games are even the worst. I think they are all they all do it Parents they have kids that they named junior or something Yeah, why are all these these humans have little sequels running around all the time Why is there a three after your name? Well, there are two more before me. Oh Well, I like the second one the best I had the most gripping Well, isn't it doesn't it go junior and then the first so if you were the third I think you're actually technically the fourth Am I getting that right? I thought junior meant I thought junior and the second were the same thing. Yes, they are Oh Okay, so no so never mind. I swear to it in court of law. I don't really know no junior and second right. Yeah, they are yeah junior Okay, so People are doing so junior and the second are the same thing so And baby They're a baby in every uh, Filipino household or not household but like extended family Sonny there is sunny june sunny sunny jim We don't have that we just have lots of aunts and uncles Who's we Chinese people even if they're not related to you. That's the worst like why am I calling you uncle? We have that too where we call people aunts and uncles that aren't related. I had an uh Uh uncle jerry closer the closers uncle jerry and aunt carol. They weren't related to us And I didn't realize that I thought they were literally uncles and aunts and then I got older. I was like, oh what Uncle call the uncle auntie everybody call them all auntie It's it's weird when you have like a family where there's a lot of people with you know Similar names like jim jimi or whatever and they they just go then they use qualifiers like big jim or little jim. Yeah Roger, I know you don't watch fresh off the boat but I should really watch the most recent episode. I know I I haven't I'm not even caught up so I can't I can't play that game but the Characters are actually based on real kids from the Person of the book's life their names are the same and there's a tech crunch story today about the two younger kids in the fresh off the boat family and the startups that they are funding Because they're trying to create a sustainable Wealth management company for their family and it's it's fascinating because they go into detail about the different arms of the family And how they built up all this wealth in china and then the japanese invaded and they lost all their fortune Then they then they built it back up after the war Then they had to flee the communists to taiwan and they lost their fortune And then they built up the restaurant That is the the subject of the tv show and then they lost the fortune like they're like we're not gonna We're not going to stop that right now Some ways is very similar to my my my grandparents fled the uh communists Tom what you described sounds like the prequel to crazy rich asians Well, I've heard people say there's a lot of similarities between those my grandfather. I heard that movie was very good Yeah, it was good. I might go see it tonight Yeah, go have to wait for it on streaming somewhere It's well, I I wanted to see a star is born um And it's funny because everyone I know who's seen it is like so good But you sarah, you may not like the movie. Oh really? Yeah, and I'm like, why? It's a very specific thing to say I'm not sure. I'm not sure How emotions might not like Hmm If you have a cold black heart You might not like this movie. Oh, you love love stories Well, I also you know, again, it's you know, I talk about the fact that I love the movie walk the line so much It's like that's like one of my very favorite movies. It's a good movie This movie seems a little bit like that movie where there's some singing and hugging and you know a lot of fairer So I'm like, why would I not? I don't know. I don't like I don't hate the premise And they haven't explained more about why they don't think you would like it No, just I don't know. I just in the naysayer, I guess and nothing that makes you want to go see it more Yeah Prove them wrong. That's right Also, I mean, it's Bradley Cooper. Who doesn't like Bradley Cooper and Stephanie Germanata You don't it's not like I don't like um Bradley Cooper, it's just I I I'm not I don't lean either way because like if he's in it, I'll watch About Bradley Cooper. Yeah, there's nothing about him that would make it. I feel like I've never seen him in a movie Where I was like, no good. I love him in all of his movies Sam Elliott's made every movie for me too that he's ever Sure. Yes. Did you finally see stars born tom? No, I still haven't seen see at this point now second week It's almost like I'll wait for streaming or something This is the same thing with crazy rich Asians. Eileen saw it without me and it's really It's really a pain for me to justify spending the time to go see a movie alone Well, did she like it enough to see it again? Who? Eileen with you. Oh Uh, she liked it enough to see it again, but she doesn't want to take the time to see it again So I guess she didn't like it enough to see it again. You're seeing it. You're seeing it without her or you're not Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so it's probably going to be on like streaming at some point It will probably be streamable at some point I have I've been slowly catching up to the marvel cinematic universe as they slowly drip into Netflix before they all end. Yeah at the end of the year streaming. Yeah Although, you know, oh what I'm really excited about on netflix, which I believe either starts this week or next week is the new season of dare double Now I've been even cotton up on Iron fist iron fist or uh, um, what's the other one? Luke cage Luke cage and the other I like after the big defenders one Like I stopped I didn't catch up iron fist wasn't really worth the first iron fist at least The thing the thing is the iron fist comic book really wasn't interesting until they paired him with power man Like luke cage and so it wasn't Like even the comic it wasn't a really good comic until you gave him like a buddy Like to make it interesting And that's what they should do just make it a buddy show but the dare but dare devil I think out of all those netflix shows is the best one Well, I think it's because it was the first so there was a lot of effort put into it And also it's a more interesting character. Well, I mean, it's it's just it's just marvel's version of batman. Yeah, right Broody plus Uh, the kingpin is back in this one and he looks good. Oh, you know what nobody watched at all is the find out People in our audio is it continues video people. Thanks for watching Have a wonderful