 Thank you very much for keeping it to eye in the morning just in time for the next conversation of the day. This is youth and politics. We take a look at the stories making headlines in terms of politics and dissect them. In particular we shall be looking at the issue of the 2022 general election. It is exactly one year to the election. Are we ready for that? Is the IEBC ready? Are Kenyans ready? Economically, is it possible to have these elections legally? Is it possible? Or are we looking into a lacuna in law that has not been quite looked into yet? Will the elections be nullified if these things are not looked into? These are some of the issues we shall take in our glimpse at this particular Monday morning. I am joined to my extreme left, to my extreme right rather, by John Muati. He is an economist and political analyst. Karibu Sanabwana John. Thank you very much. I hope you are well. Yes, very much well. Thank you for having me on the show. Looking forward to an amazing conversation this morning. Thank you. I am also joined by Evans Amaro Dool. He is a youth leader and a political analyst. Karibu Sanabwana. Thank you so much. I hope you are well. I am well. Gentlemen, it is a pleasure. But before we touch on the issues of politics, I cannot fail to say this. Kipchuga came. He did a very good thing, winning. I do not know who was giving us the tips when you were off air. It is Evans here. Evans was telling us about the numbers. You were following the Olympics? Actually, I was following it. There was a lot of interest invested in it and stuff of course. So, for really would keep Kipchuga. Many people in the country burnt the midnight oil, watching the marathon and stuff. Because we know people are confident in having set the record. I think it is a one hour and 15 minutes. Yeah. Some kind of things. So, for the past one week, Kenyans, we were kind of disappointed with the first. You see one of our own Oteeno being suspended because he failed the doping test. And of course, Fedin and Omanyala. We thought that he could make it to the finals. Yeah, but actually he was number three. And for your information, he beat Johan Black. Johan Black finished sixth. But Omanyala was finished third. But these Olympics have really been like a call to order. I do not know, for Kenyans. Because I was looking at many people, not just Kipchuga. We have people like Helena Beery. We have Irene Jeptay. So many people who came up to represent the country. Yet, not to say that we did perform well. But even though we did well in the athletics, there also other... In the field events. In other places that we kind of did do that well. Like Julius Yego. I was expecting Julius to... Of course he is a sportsman. And of course with these people, we have maybe shortcomings and limitations and challenges. Maybe we placed a lot of expectations. Like, you know, Yego is a big name in this country. Yego is made as proud. Of course, he is a gold medalist. I believe that in as much as whatever it may be, despite the challenges and stuff... We are number one in Africa, I think. What do you think about that, Mati? But I think according to me, one of the things that I would actually say, the government, we shouldn't be waiting for big events. The government should, in a way, in a greater capacity, capacity build our own people. I think we have had a challenge where you actually... When you engage these people who are actually going to represent the country, they will tell you point blank. There is a lot of kuachiliwa, you know. And these people are looked for when there are these Olympics and these major global events that they actually expected to actually represent the country. But the investment that is required of them to be done to them by the government. Why do we have mismanagement of public parastatols, of agencies that are actually mandated to actually bring up this, and nurture the talents of the young people? There have been conversations about how the sports arena is, the sports industry, when we have events, big events like this, most of the focus is put on the officials of the sports events, rather than the participants of the events. They are athletes, those who are going to build the field on the ground. And the officials are actually cartels, because they are there to fulfill their own interests, to drive their interests. And I know that is a conversation that young people are actually being left out and the majority of Kenyans, but it's a real conversation that we need to be having. We have a player, Jabchichir, who also won. She had to kneel down. She knelt down, head to her knees after claiming the Olympic women's marathon on Saturday. It was quite a moving moment for Kenya. Yes, we have our hits, but again we have our misses, but let's talk about the hits, at least. What word of encouragement do you have for Kenyans? Atakama tu li poteta zingine, those are truly pata. And as a country at least, we know how to grab all the small winnings that we get, no matter how small they are, we are really proud of them. The things that I would actually say, we are the heritage of our country, proud of where we come from. And when I see Kipchokia running that marathon, I feel as if he is running on behalf of the country. And so the medals that we win, irregardless of the situations that we find ourselves in Kenya, in terms of the way things are, it's like we are going on a deep spiral. But when all is said and done, there is the pride that comes with being patriotic in being a Kenyan. We are proud to be Kenyans. We are proud to be Kenyans and even when things are tough, you still feel when the national anthem is being sung there and being played. It was played twice. My God, twice. Quite amazing. You know it's not the first time. Looking at Kenya, I think the main issue here is the stratification of these sports and talents. You know a good number of people in this country are so much into football. Men. We are so much into football. Many people are not so much interested in athletics, be it the short races or the long races. Of course when it looked at from a different perspective, you realize that there is a given section of the country that is given that you get to be maybe so and so for you too maybe participating in this kind of thing. But of course they have proven it. It is true that they have proven it. So there is no problem. The main issue is how to manage the talent. I was even looking at this story. There is this lady, a very big hero in this Olympic, Feth Kipiagon. She won gold, I think in 1500 meters. Looking at her story and stuff, it is so encouraging. It is. Looking at the limitations she underwent. She is actually a mother. Yes, she is a mother of course. So it is something which the resilience in these people, I think it is something which we need to comment. We are proud to be Kenyans. Kenyans, let's send in our messages of encouragement and congratulations to our athletes. Tell them something. Tell them kudo, send them well done. Give them a part of the bag. One thing that stood out, I was looking at most of my friends on their status. They had Kipi Choges photo on their status during this weekend. With the flag. With the flag. His second gold medal. Olympic. I found the status, Facebook would have viewed until I was like, let me not join the band. You did not know. You do not have peer pressure. That's how I timed it by then. But of course it is good that this guy made us proud. You know these people, we had four gold medals. Four silver. And I don't know how many number of bronze. But look at that. We did well. The events which we were getting these things from, they are not just Chad spray. 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Ensure that you also use the hashtag Y in the morning as you participate with this conversation this particular morning at Rambaguko and at Sankaraka Esu as we continue sending your messages in regards to the Olympics. Kenya is doing well. Proud to be Kenya. Proud. Proud. Well still we are taking a look at stories making headlines and what are two trends in the past one week. We had the killings that took place in... Yes. Such a sad story. Let me get your thoughts in regards to these killings and just in brief because I know it's an issue that is still under investigation your thoughts in regards to this because it brought in a lot of emotional comments. Kenyans went on Twitter to talk. It was even trending. It is not the first time people of this country are facing this issue. Extrajudicial killings. Actually the citizen, people dying in the hands of the police officers. The police officers are trained. I believe so. They have never been into that training but I believe that they are trained. The training is very rigorous. I know but they are trained to protect Kenyans. We pay them taxes to protect us. There is nothing painful like losing a family member for instance. With us we can sit here. We are not so much pinched. We can just hear it from the news but when it comes to now losing a child for instance these are very serious things and from the people we expect to protect them. Someone at the age of 19 years was alive. Somebody who still got life to live. You asked about my thoughts. I think the government through the criminal justice system should come forward and do this thing with the they should face it with the with all the with all. I'm sure that maybe the people who are culpable have brought a book. That's all I can say. These people get to have justice at the end of the day. Let me take you back before we handle the case in Enbu. This is a matter that is quite controversial. Living in a state that does not actually regard the sanctity of human life regardless of where you come from what you believe in we all agree that there is sacredness to human life. I think in our country today that has not been brought out clearly. You feel so? I feel so in a very great sense. March 25, 2020 the president issues a declaration about the kafiu that was to start on March 27, 2020. But 10 days later 6 Kenyans have been killed when the kafiu has actually been imposed and one of the people that were actually killed was a 13-year-old kid called Hussein Moyo in Kiyamaiko. I know the story. The little kid is actually on the balcony at night and he is watching down the police. They are actually imposing the kafiu. The police they actually flash them using their flashlights and they actually shoot the boy on the stomach. He is taken to the hospital and dies. You can see over and over again about extra judicial killings that have no basis in our country. Yet these officers the fathers that they can do is actually transfer the officers something that is I mean it breaks down it breaks our hearts to see such rot in the people that are actually supposed to protect us. When you look at the conflict between the civilians and the men in uniform it is not only in Kenya it is in various countries of the world. You remember last year between Chauvin and George Floyd the police officer who killed but you know these two these cases are different because the isolated cases I request that you get the point what I am driving at is in the two incidents the police officer is killing a civilian but the issue here is how do you deal with the case look at how the American justice system the justice system dealt with the case there and how we've been dealing with others here that's what I'm driving at So you're saying even though the cases are different isolated it's about how you handle how you handle these cases because for that child who died in their own home it was a case of investigation I don't know how far they have gone the family is actually distraught feeling a little bit disappointed with the system I'm thinking of how Kenyans react to such cases the way Kenyans move through for example during riots how do Kenyans behave during protests how do they handle themselves what kind of methodologies do they use during protests to deal with the situation because these are law keepers they are policy keepers they will try to maintain law and order so if you break that order because there is law and there is order but do you realize as Kenyans do you maintain order do you realize that even the first place of having a peaceful demonstration is actually a far fetch between this country you say that not only in many parts demonstration the police actually supposed to protect the monaiji but do you know I believe it is there even during riots it's not bad the police ought to be there to protect the protesters even during protests they should be there even if it's a peaceful demonstration they should be there once the police come to the site they are the ones who cause disruptions they are the ones who throw protesters to these protesters and then it turns to be violent so you claim you can substantiate that they are also being provoked they are also provoked provoke them more because I've been in the University of Nairobi and we've had cases where we actually go to the streets and I can tell you we can start a peaceful protest heading to the anniversary towers demanding for help and what have you but no sooner do we get there then I don't know whether you remember there was one at the University of Nairobi in 2014 but then the current Mbakasi East MP Babuweno was the students leader so it took us from the school we went down to Arambia Afgani by that time it was Jacob Kaimeni was the CS education you also from the University of Nairobi of course I'm a graduate from them so when we went there that parliament road these officers were strategic don't know what they did they left us to go inside there like we were now covering the whole road then looking in front of us we saw them coming everything the officers there were so many the GSU looking at the back they are also there now with the tear gas canisters just by looking at them it was chaotic I was forced to jump over who made the first move officers started it they started it live and it was serious and I can tell you it is very bad if somebody dies in a protest like what happened in Nembu they are going to protest against the extrajudicial killings of these two boys in a very unclear circumstances yet one of the protesters is shot dead by live ammunition but what we need to understand is that the way these guys are trained there are some things maybe we don't know we know that these people should be governed by the rule of law they need to follow some follow some doctrines and stuff but you come to ask yourself why this is the best way they always stop this they always stop this protest and maybe if these people are becoming too much radical well I would like to put into perspective the fact that I believe that in a protest there are always two players the protesters and the police too and either player has the ability to make it chaotic or not either of the two but in this case now that we cannot if we had a representative from the police unit maybe they can be able to tell us what happened but now that it is what it is is there a possibility of Kanya ever having protests that are peaceful that where we don't have anybody throwing stones because yes we've seen protesters throwing stones even though we say that oh they came they did this protesters throw stones looting takes place the police are there to maintain law and order they can reach a time when Kenyans can protest peacefully I want you to look at it from this angle we've been having protests from the professional bodies maybe they are not sometimes the doctors strike and stuff these people just to walk peacefully no commotion no nothing they walk their voices will be heard and everything will happen and stuff this thing comes now to a civilian ok not to you but maybe let me say now me and maybe him just an example did you see what happened in South Africa a fortnight ago it was chaotic they were burning down malls and supermarkets did you see what happened in the U.S in the U.S now in both South Africa and in the U.S. it is the protesters were burning down and rioting and looting that's why I'm telling you despite they perceived civilization of a citizen a human being once it's becoming chaotic they will just dislodge from themselves the so-called civilization but one thing that he has mentioned that has also hit me is it depends on who the protesters are are you organized are you professional for me boiling down to two things one the sanctity of human life cannot be over emphasized I don't think that it is right that we should peg our frustration when something has happened nothing can ever replace a lost life like the loss of Hussein Moyo and even Benson Emmanuel no matter what can be done in terms of the justice and the processes there is nothing that can be done to replace the lost life so what we need to is not a reactive system it's not a system that responds to emotions to events, situations but rather we need to come to a point where we ask ourselves why should we actually protect any more loss of lives why should we be reacting to the system why should we be going out to the road fighting and protesting because somebody has been killed in an extrajudicial way in an extrajudicial manner yet the police are the people who are actually supposed to protect the common monainty people are frustrated the system is hard the economy is actually and then you add on to it that you are actually taking the lives of common monainty to me that is something that is depressing and it should be really looked upon and if there are reforms which needs to be made in the police sector they actually need to be made as soon as possible well tell us what you think about these particular issues and the stories that I have been training in the past one week the hashtag is one in the morning at Ramagukon at Y254 channel and show that you engage with us we are live on our website www.kbc.co.ke4 slash Y254 and show that you engage with us even on Facebook in this conversation it is youth and politics and now that you've touched on those particular issues let's start on the political arena now it is now one year one year one year let me repeat that one year to the general relations and I'm wondering are we ready we have the polls that shall take place on the 9th of August 2022 do we have the proper legislation in regards to this the preparedness that we have so far as a country let me start with you Evans in regards to this so far generally are we ready for an election I believe we are ready for an election we are ready for it commissioning has stated this it was even in one of the papers here of the people daily here let me just quote what was said the commission looks up to looking at the ICT issue ICT to fix the connection issue it admits that the 2022 polls pose a serious challenge because of the inadequate funding and the COVID-19 pandemic and I quote it has been corresponding with CA on the need to fix 3G internet connectivity which culminated in a joint meeting with them a trust force made up of technical teams from both the CA and commission has been set up to handle the matter even in terms of connectivity internet connectivity do you feel like that is going to be sorted out yes we feel like we are ready but looking at this it seems like preparations are still being made the issue is that these preparations they are not beyond human bridge they are just things which we can do the issue with the elections this is a constitutional mandate actually I had used saying earlier that maybe we can be plugged into a constitutional lacuna where it is written very well that elections will be held on such a date it is very clear there is no gap there and there can even not be constitutional crisis there was a report that was given out by the commission and that report was titled I Electron Law Reform in Kenya the IBC experience the commission recommended that parliament enact the legislation to give effects to the two-thirds gender representation rule provided an article 81 of the constitution so the two-thirds gender rule is still an issue of course you know there was a legislation this legislation which was meant to deal with the issue of the two-thirds gender rule but one of the suggestions was that the political parties the political parties should ensure that in their representation the overall representation from each and every political party can reflect or can drive us into a two-third gender stuff so maybe they will go it is just a matter of calling these people and that maybe this political party you should have this number you should have this number of ladies in parliament not necessarily ladies maybe men of course the gender but that's how to solve it because you know let's say this position we nominate we nominate a man this at the constituency we nominate and the thing will be achieved and it is a legislation so it is something which is a legislation which is in line and compatible with the constitutional requirement so provided that it will at the end of the day it will fix the problem we will have no constitutional crisis and I don't believe that we will have one because it is something which is there but by the time we have the swearing in of the commissioners okay one of the things I would actually say for me is the supremacy of the constitution and the sovereignty of the people of Kenya and that tells down to the fidelity to the constitution we talk about the institutions mandated by the constitution to implement the constitution itself and these are independent in terms of the operations we have seen in our country over and above many senior citizens they don't respect the rule of law they don't respect judgments being made by courts and to the point that they have become irrelevant given a verdict after a verdict but they have not been followed so when you start hearing people saying that we are not ready for an election and these people are key makers in the government then you start feeling there is a problem somewhere because that in itself shows the people whose intention is selfish they want to manipulate the system for their own gain if somebody start telling you that are we ready to hand off if somebody starts saying that there is no sufficient capacity to actually hand over to the next team then you ask yourself a person who is actually mandated to oversee a smooth transition the issue of funds then there needs to be a very smooth relationship between the national treasury the government and the IBC to ensure that of course that's an entire government structure so there is no government and there is no national treasury but you know this time round we are looking at an election like no other because we are doing an election like a pandemic absolutely but I think the constitution is quite clear there what are these areas is it war maybe violence civil war or there is an external aggression against us which is not there so when those things are not fulfilled but I think also there is a sense in which the reality is also heated you know when you delay the system it's actually justice delayed this justice denied so by the end of it all we might come back to the drawing board and say yes we have been fighting this thing that we don't have the capacity to run an election let me ask Ram Ram you know how the electoral process always conducted people lined there the details being taken the being confirmed and stuff how do you say that the pandemic will affect that are people lining in banks as you speak right now but the fact is we do have the commissioners that are yet to be sworn in of course uhura has already nominated them they are waiting to be approved by the parliament what about BBI you mentioned justice I was talking about justice denied BBI is still in court right now we are waiting for the ruling in the long run they will actually affect us so we will go back to the system and say guys we don't have time will the BBI affect this election BBI will not affect the elections the verdict has been issued 20th of august the BBI will not affect the elections the general elections will be held on 9th of august 2022 during the reason there is no provision in the BBI for the extension of the presidential term there is no such kind of theme you get the point and you see this is a constitutional issue for you to extend the term of the president the term limit of the president it will force that some body wants to initiate the process you go collect signatures you do all this kind of things so that you all are referring to Uru Kenyatta to extend this term limit so this push by some officials to postpone the elections do you think like it will succeed it cannot succeed I would say it is based on the verdict 20th of august verdict on the court of appeal as far as the the issue of the BBI is concerned so until then that's when we can have a substantial claim about what will happen but for me and I feel generally as a population common monainchi we are not ready to have an extended term of service unless we engage in those things the stuff you are mentioning earlier it may be civil civil war those kind of stuff but as things are right now as things are right now there is nothing which can stop it I am also looking at the political parties we need to have them registered so far the as that made this year the register of political parties that is handed to had registered 73 political parties in Kenya while those with the provisional as of august 21stud at 23 parties so what is the implication thereof will it have any effect on those who shall be capable of vying for this election next year because by the time you are done whether you will be qualified to register or not has an effect on whether you will be allowed to vying at the elections I am not sure of this but I think it should be 6 months prior even for the deputy president to vying with this UDA he gets to move out of jubili I think by february so that is also an issue there registration of political parties that is a personal issue how is that affecting the whole country but I think generally what is being pushed around is a narrative that we are not ready and sometimes a narrative that we are not ready how is the narrative coming the narrative is like all those things political parties all those systems colliding together to actually make us feel as Kenyans remember this is politics and politics is about narrative it's about perception so the perception being pushed around is that we are not ready and I can tell you for a fact as we move along and that's why I am really interested in knowing the verdict of the cut of appeal 20th of august is that it will actually determine the next foot that we are going to take as a youth do you feel like if we would go for the election you are ready for that we are ready for a new government as like yesterday the day before yesterday let me come to us I am not sure of the people is accusing of intending to extend the terms but let me maybe believe that is the head of this government let me try to believe so but all the head of this government who is president Urukanyat was determined to see that there is an extension of his term he hasn't said that he has said that he is waiting for his term it's a perception it's a narrative it's a perception which is accusing the government of generating is that true? not necessarily okay you are saying that they are putting around I am talking about a narrative not the intention we perceive that you are not ready it's communication when you actually relay information many times it actually depends on the receiver so if the receiver has prejudgment prejudice that informs how they are going to receive the information and so in that case it means that you have a perception which is actually biased but I want to look at it this way there is a point where this message is coming from and it is generated by maybe a human being maybe he is a leader maybe he is a powerful person okay let's say this person want us to perceive that we are not ready let's say maybe he is a government official but if at all it was a government official who wanted this done no I am not saying that okay let's say because there is this narrative okay so you want us to assume assume okay so you are saying tell us paribas you know what he was saying if I listen to him well and of course I understood him I believe so is that there is unseen hand working for us to perceive that we are not ready for an election but you even reading those things I think you have referred to that if at all there were some unseen hands that want us to believe that we are not ready for an election I believe those people could have done that thing in a very strategic way different from how we think number one by now we could have not been having the commission has been nominated to be approved by the parliament it could have come later even by next year we got that point so that we are in illegal lakuna or something number two the president and the initiators of the BBI could have placed that they could have placed the presidential limit issue in that in that document which document? the BBI I have read the document it is not there in the document there is no where in that document which is written that president that the day for election is not August 9th 2022 it is may be March 2023 there is no where in the constitution in this even so your point is that my point is no body intends to postpone elections let the tanga people not peddle this kind of stuff let me now just say that another point no body wants to postpone elections elections will be done on actually I was so happy when he was being interviewed he said elections will be on August 9th alright I want us to touch on yet another issue here we have the Mount Kenya region in this particular region we have people like Moses Kuria who has the people's empowerment party we have the people service party formed by Mwangi Huynchuri the former CS we are looking at Usawa Kawote owned by Mwangi Wairia we have so many parties which are formed by leaders from the Mount Kenya region and this conversation came in in the past during the weekend I believe so of having one party one tribal party from the Mount Kenya region what do you think about that is that a right move actually I heard what Mwangi Huynchuri was saying he did not talk of parties he said that they need coalitions like NASA from the Mount Kenya region both east and western western part of Mount Kenya region so that they speak asa as a block let me tell you for a fact among those small people be it Moses Kuria be it Mwangi Huynchuri be it Mwangi Wairia be it Mwangi Huynchuri all those people they are political parties accept we have a point from accept the president accept president Urukenet so he is he is dead on arrival it depends on who is driving it what do you agree what he is saying I agree with him because as far as the leadership of Mount Kenya region is concerned it is still intact under the leadership of President so trying to it is like using the back door to access a house it has its own structures, systems so you miss out the point when you fail to hit the target so for me I think I strongly agree with you it might be a good something that is an amazing dream but it could actually be misplaced look out what Rungu Kangata said he dismissed this tot in totality he was so vocal of this he dismissed what Mwangi Huynchuri was saying he was he is against this formation he was saying that it goes against the the desire that Kenya wants that we are moving forward that we moved from those politics of tribe and let me quote what he said he said as a nation we need to speak in one voice so that the people can be united but dividing ourselves into regions is not a good thing which we need to find out is it because we even looking at the Mulemba Nation they are looking into coming together so that they have one blocking they can vote as a block is that the case even in the Rift Valley region are there he said that if anybody wants to reach out to Ruto they can do so without forming a party because all that is required is their support is Ruto Honaba Ruto the target in this conversation here you see Ruto has got his interest and his interest is to have as many UDA people as many of them as possible being behind them as a party not even as a coalition that's why you see him actually when you watch and view the activities of the deputy president in Mount Kenya region there's a way he's been playing his politics there's a time he was with the TSP the Mwangi Kwenjuri and people were talking a lot about him being the deputy of Ruto then came time for Musa Skouria Musa Skouria became so vocal and popular he won Jujasit of course he's candidate won Jujasit so people started again another conversation that maybe Musa Skouria will take it then it went that way in the Nyoro coming some people were claiming even that Matakarwa will come through looking at all this kind of things which shows you that there is some conflict among this potential Mount Kenya, Kingpin Uru inheritors which shows that it is it is only one person who will come and give this before the direction I believe so, I strongly believe so and let us look at even the demographics let's look at the demographics in Mount Kenya region starting by even the age do you think that the young people will vote the same way as the older counterparts alright, I want us to drop this conversation up because time is not on our side at the next conversation is coming up in a bit now, in a nutshell UDA is UDA going to be the uniting factor we have that conversation of the bottom up top bottom whichever thing UDA going to bring in a political movement that is going to shake up especially the Mount Kenya region where this conversation is all circumnavigating around as we have a final word and I'm giving each one of you just a minute each let me start with you Matik for me in honesty of conversation UDA is actually like a movement and for real it has attracted attention hate and love in equal measure so for me no one can assume no one can sit down and just assume UDA not in our world today, not in our country UDA is such a force, it's a movement and it has brought down the aspect of bottom up economics and the whole issue of how to realign the gravitation of wealth resources and all that from the common one inch going up and I think that is what Kenyans are ready to hear where it is actually you believe so? final word you see I don't believe that UDA will move Mount Kenya region the way people are claiming because there are a lot of glass sails we have a year before the general election so that too this actually is the president Uru Kenyata, he has not yet spoken we don't know his mind something is getting clear by day that is not much into good terms with this deputy I want to tell you something wrong today you see the president Uru Kenyata will determine a lot as far as maybe not to the country but for Mount Kenya region Uru will play a very big role in succession it will play a very big role it will play a very big role and I need to tell you that there is an age where some people there who still understand who and that's true I believe you are coming from that region thank you so much gentlemen it has been a pleasure we hope for the best I was with John Muarty to my extreme right and Evans Maru in this conversation today that was just for the end of youth and politics on this particular Monday conversation remember to keep tweeting keep commenting the hashtag is why in the morning at Rambago we are taking a short break we will be back in a bit after this we will be coming back with a conversation on CM masters concerning relationships do not miss that this is why in the 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