 Welcome to the ITU studio in Geneva where I'm very pleased to be joined in the studio today I'm Mr. Dominik Roskrut who is a president of Statistics for Poland Welcome to the studio. Welcome I'd like to start off by talking a little bit about the current status of the ICT sector in Poland Perhaps you could tell us what it's like what it's looking like from a statistical point of view That's an interesting question especially for me because before I became president of Statistics Poland I was responsible as one of the directors for ICT statistics So this is something very close to my heart and the ICT sector is growing very quickly It's very important It's part of most of the you know public policies as well at the moment and what we observe that we you know just When we look at it, that's very hard to kind of like a separate from the rest of the economy but there are a lot of indicators that we can use to kind of like Assess the size of this sector and especially what is important in case of Poland is very Quick growth for the R&D that is being conducted by the ICT sector That's one of these things that are very important for the future. We have very strong industry related to gaming you know the Game producers in Poland and they are growing very quickly just started to import even the the people from from outside of Poland to work on the on the new developments so that the sector is very important and We say we see a lot of dynamics in the growth now Mentioned you come from a statistical background. I wanted to ask you What would you say are some of the challenges that you face in collecting data on the ICT sector? I see some are ubiquitous. That's what I mean star everywhere, you know and some of these initiatives to try to kind of like a separate pure effect of ICTs and economy are destined to be To fail because you know basically when we talk with the industry it turns out that the ICT is everywhere you know and in the most remote industries that it won't even expect the ICTs play more and more important role and Even the counterfactual methods that are sometimes used by the econometricians when you try to distill like those who Does some ICTs and those who doesn't use any ICTs It's very hard to kind of like separate this this pure effect of ICTs. So this is one of the major Measurement challenges, of course, there are the challenges ICTs are changing very quickly and then the the practice of statistical production Is and takes time you know and sometimes the indicators that we developed a few years ago are not any more Interesting at the same time new new new new developments Surface and we need time to adopt our statistical systems to to react with the new indicators to also takes time Additional limitation is that we have to harmonize that internationally. So we want to produce statistics. There are You know comparable across the countries, but it puts another limitation on that and it prolongs the time that we need to You know take to to prepare our response. So these are usual Problems and as far as we were Discussing the ICT statistics. I think that we have to kind of like step back a little better think about that changing the paradigm I mean probably we were always too much oriented towards technological indicators and then and related things rather than to Processes related to societies and to economies how this affects societies and how people change their behavior and attitudes and And the same with the with the businesses. How does this affect like on the micro level not on micro level? The the the way they convey their businesses so not not tied down to a single technology now But looking much more on a holistic set and prepare yourself to the future technologies are not yet You know invented but certainly they will show up and what then you know You need to be prepared like in a more comprehensive framework now, of course We're here at the world telecommunication and ICT indicators symposium I wanted to ask you why is WTIS important and and what would you say will be the main takeaways from this year's? Symposium in terms of data collection I think there are a lot of messages that are being conveyed in many many meetings But this this particular one is very important because it really gathers like people from all around the world And it's very important to know that what that you know one of the important messages is that we can use some non-traditional sources of knowledge for development of new ICT statistics and outside of the usual ICT You know a surveys and households and in businesses like I know I would just point out to a time use survey That can be used also to kind of like see how is the behavior of the people changing when when the proliferation of ICTs is Improving another thing is that we can use new data sources like big data and all these in your recent technological advances smart statistics based on a sensor of data that really you know provides us with a new tools of you know Producing more reliable more interesting and more granular statistics And the third thing is that we have to of course when we do all that We need to communicate statistics a little bit better than we used to in the past So that's why I'm always just in the fact that we need to engage closely with the policy makers But also with the other stakeholders like media and the researchers to kind of explain what we're doing and to try to You know engage them into the co-creation process and so that at the end They use our statistics more and more and I think that there is a one very important platform that happens to be here and Now which is SDGs SDGs is Something that I see as a statisticians as a big opportunity to promote statistics and to show how important statistics are Not only in terms of ICDs, but in all other and all other IES as well related to leaving no one behind So I think that there are the future is very interesting Well, thank you very much for showing some very interesting insights with us and we look forward to catching up with you in the future too Thank you very much. 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