 Next question is from JamilA144. Why do you think the dumbbell pullover has fallen out of favor in the fitness community when people like Arnold and others of his time used it regularly? Especially since it's sometimes referred to as the squat of the upper body. Hasn't fallen out of favor for us. Yeah. I was gonna say, has it really? In our routines and we talk about all time. Maybe like PR-ing with it like you'd mention like back in the day. Oh, bragging rights. Oh, back in the day before Arnold's time. So you're talking about the 30s and 40s. Bodybuilders, the pullover was an exercise that they would often compete with or compare notes over. Who can do the most weight for a pullover? The pullover is a phenomenal exercise. It's extremely unique in its function. It works a lot of the body. It strengthens the muscles of the rib cage. It works the pecs. It works the lats. The serratus anterior really has to strengthen and stabilize. Kind of good shoulder mobility to do it. It actually, it's a great exercise to develop or keep good shoulder. It's one of my favorite exercises. Here's why I think it fell out of favor. Because the trend of training body parts became popular. As soon as that happened where it was like... It's not an isolation exercise at all. Yeah. Like, okay, where do you put it? Chest workout? Back workout? Like which one do you do? I know Arnold didn't in his chest workout. I know other bodybuilders do it in the back workout. I prefer to do it on a back workout when I do it. But it's not a single body part exercise. It's hard to categorize. And because body parts split training became popular. That's a good point. That's a pretty good theory. I would guess that. Yeah, that's probably true. Because it's like a many other movements. Like a Turkish get up, which was obviously extremely popular back in the days that nobody talks about or uses. It's like one of those things that's like, where do I put it? Yeah. So then it just fell out of favor because of that. Oh, clean and press. Clean and press was how people did shoulder presses forever. Clean and press is like working so many different muscles that I'll just do a standing overhead press because it's just shoulders. Yeah. Today's shoulder. I know it's interesting. They didn't have racks where they just take it off. The racks, you'd have to actually pick it up from the ground and then press it overhead. So yeah, there was a lot of that. There's a lot of weird categories for a lot of those old type of lifts. It's like, where do you even put it? Where do you put a bent press? Where do you put a windmill? Where do you put all these old school kind of, it encompasses way too many muscles. Yeah. That's a really figured out. Can we talk about this too? I mean, this is, Yeah, I know. I definitely, maybe we haven't talked about it in a while, but we used to talk about pullover all the time as like a favorite exercise. Oh, yeah. I mean, back in the day, there were ways to do an incline press. You guys know how they used to do it? They would have an incline bench. They would have to pick the data, they'd clean the bar up and then go up. There was no seat. It was literally like a plank and they'd clean away and then lean back and then do an incline press. Okay. So were they able to use as much weight for their chest? No. But what were the side effects? They built their back traps, their shoulders, their traps. Like the pullover, like a lot of these exercises, unfortunately, people are missing out on the incredible value that they provide because the paradigm became these exercises that work specific body parts. That's really too bad. It could almost, it's funny. I've never, I've actually never heard anybody refer to as a squat of the upper body, but I can get behind it, shoulder, even your triceps, your chest, your back, your abs. I mean, it does get, it does get. Full range. You're getting a great stretch. When I was in judo and when I did grappling, especially if I did no-gee grappling, which is where you just either shirt off or wear a rash guard, when my pullovers were strong, oh boy, I could do snap downs so hard and incredible stability. And if I hit you with a hard snap down, you either reacted by standing up, which I take you down, or you're hitting the mat. And it was because I was able to develop so much power from a pullover, so it was a lot of function. As far as developing the body, it's one of, for me personally, one of my favorite back exercises. I love doing pullovers either before I do a pullup to give me that lat pump. In fact, I did them this morning. Or I'll do them at the end of the workout to stretch the lats, work the terra's major and minor, you know, up at the top. And if you follow a MAPS program, you're likely to run into a pullover. We programmed it a few times. It's got to be definitely in the RGB bundle. It's in, I know it's an anabolic, and I know it's an aesthetic. It's in both those for sure. So if you want to, and here's the thing, the way we wrote our programs is based off of our decades of experience on what really works, not the trends. We don't give a crap about the trends. So if you follow, let's say you did get the RGB bundle and you follow the exercises, what you'll find are exercises that might be popular now. And then you might find exercises that fell out of favor or something that you've never really seen before, but they're in there for a reason. It's because they really work. Yeah, they're really good. They show up more than once. Always.