 At 5.05, we have a quorum. Barely. Welcome, everyone. Hi. Do we have any amendments to the agenda? Yes, we do. OK. So the Silvermont Solid Waste Management District, I think I sent them some of the stuff that you sent me today. They would like a letter of support for a household hazardous waste facility grant proposal. And we should add that because they have to have it by the end of October. OK. Will you remind us when we get down to? Yeah, figure correspondence. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the only thing I have is to formally and on the record and in the minutes, wish our beloved fellow select person a happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. There you go. I'm not singing, though. I couldn't sing. That's not going to fall. The thing in would. OK. I could do it. Maybe we'll do that when you leave at 6. I'm never telling anyone how birthday is. OK. And? Oh, well, the other thing that you add to the, is it actually detract from the agenda is that the listeners are not going to be present tonight. So that part of the agenda is off. Right. It's a big part. Sounds like it could be a short meeting. Which one's off? The listeners are at the very beginning. They can't make it. I've called Sky Barsh and Brian Redmond and asked them to come earlier. And they said they're going to try to make it by 5.15 so that they can be here while Steve's here to talk about North Road. OK. So, so, so, so, so, so, we're probably down to the treasurer's report. Well, I was cut into the treasurer's report. Congratulations. No, it was cut into the treasurer's report. Right on that one, didn't it? Let's see. Well, we got the draft from Bonnie Batch-Helder but I have not passed it on because we have some questions on it before we do that. So, but you will be receiving a copy of that as soon as we clarify the questions. So you can review it for the next meeting. And then once it's finalized, she'll do the final version of it after you guys reveal it. And that will take care of that. Are there big issues or minor issues? I think they're just getting an understanding. She shows us as having a gain for the year, which is not possible according to what we have. And so we want to figure out how she arrived at that. We're clarifying some numbers with it. But they must be big numbers. Yeah, they have to be big numbers. So anyway, that's it. I mean, it's no big deal. The other thing is I had sent you guys a copy of an insurance claim that we had. And I just want either some kind of direction that because these are unbudgeted items that it was authorized to go ahead and pay. It changed from the original amount that was submitted to a different amount. We gave the LCT the authorization to pay the claim. And I feel as though it's something that should have come before the board because it is unbudgeted expense. And I just want either a clarification because we have $1,000 deductible. So we have to pay the first $1,000. We have to pay. And now we have a second claim in the first $1,000. We have a second claim in now. So I just think there should be some kind of procedure as to how these are authorized. We want to delegate one person to authorize payment on them. That's fine. It's just, I think, because they're not budgeted expenses, it should be authorized by the full board or delegated or given one person a delegation. Or would you put a budget line item for claims? We never have. We never have. But so our first question is, I thought that deductible applied only to auto claims. Is it general liability claims as well and property claims? Yeah, I do think. Well, that's all. Well, I was told that. It didn't used to be, unless they changed it. It'd be good to know. Because I know she came back and said we have to pay the $1,000. What was the second claim? Second, the required one. The second one is a truck from last February, I guess, or something like that, ran into an abutment over here, going to sticks and stuff. And they claim it was due because of the ice filled up on the road. So they're filing a claim against the town. You mean just some random truck? Was it trucked on the ground truck? No, it was a delivery truck. They're claiming it was negligent payments of the roads by us. So it wasn't on this town highway? I mean, on the state highway? It was on Gallagher Road. They got stuck underneath the railroad bridge. They were making a delivery to sticks and stuff. They had a full load. And that's a road that we plow, Gallagher Road. There was a problem with the culvert in the drainage, which goes diagonally across route 2 and comes out by a red hand. Yeah. There was a problem with that. So I guess my question is, haven't we had people say, oh, my strut went out because I hit a pothole? Yeah. So what do we do then? Like, when do you say, I mean, they can file a claim regardless, can't they? Or not? They can file a claim, and I guess that's what I'm asking is, who has the authorization to tell the insurance company that they can pay the claim or not pay the claim? Oh, because otherwise, you could say deny the claim. Right. You could deny that you think that they do it. And I just think that it should be, I need some kind of authorization to expend that money. So first of all, let's back up a minute. So most insurance policies, including any insurance policies that it's likely any of us have, you don't get involved in the claim process at all. The insurance company makes a decision whether they feel you're liable and whether it's in their and your best interest to pay the claim, and they handle it, and you don't have boo to say about it. Yes. OK? Because of the way the league insurance is organized, it's not traditional insurance. They don't go out to a company and buy insurance. They buy stop-loss insurance to protect them, and then they pay the claims out of the premiums that they collect. But what it means is, we have the ability to say, no, don't pay that claim. I see. OK? Now, understand, and this is the tender trap, if we say no, then we are potentially liable for the entire claim, about $1,000. In other words, they're recommending that we pay the claim. If we say, no, don't pay the claim, then. Who's recommending? VLCT. VLCT comes to us and say, which is exactly what happened in the event of claim number one year. They investigated the claim. They said, yep, in our best judgment, you guys are liable for the claim. We recommend payment, and yes, it's going to cost you $1,000. If we said, no, we want to rely on our sovereign immunity or we don't think we're liable or whatever the thing is, that's all willing good. They won't pay the claim, but it lets them off the hook, and then we're totally on the hook. So if that person goes ahead and decides to sue us or whatever, then we're paying for the defense or we're paying for the judge. Because you always hear these letters to the editor. The pothole, blah, blah, blah, I've tried to go to the city to reimburse for all my damage, and they said, no, is that also the VLCT? Is that also them coming back and saying that, no, they're not going to cover that? They must get a lot of those, don't they? We need to process those. I was just going to explain to Liz if you don't mind. People will call me up and say, I hit a pothole. It happens all the time. I fill out the claim for them on the website. And VLCT says, no. VLCT reviews it, and they give us a, and then they come back, 9, 10, 10, 10, so you know. OK, that makes sense. I understand. So the issue is, when we have a claim, and this is a $2,500 claim, right, or you said it came back for a different number? It went in as five. The first one went in at five and came back at 2,500. The second one, I don't know if there was a doll amount. I don't know. They filed it themselves. It didn't come through us. We still don't have a copy of it. Very unlikely that we're going to be liable for that, I would tell you. So VLCT hasn't come back, VLCT? No, just all I got was a notice that the claim had been filed. Sometimes they contact them directly. They don't contact them through us. But here's the, just to finish with that. So here's the thing, and this is during this question, to the extent that we need to respond to these requests when they do, when they come to us and say, we recommend payment, do we want to wait for our next select board meeting to do that? Well, you can do that. But to me, we really going to, and I mean, I'm talking about maybe we have something where there's a maximum amount of the claim before we wait for a select board meeting to approve payment of the claim, like if it's a half million dollar claim. Not that we're going to say anything different or risk anything, but that's a little different than a $2,500 claim. So I mean, it would be my thought that if the Vermont Leagues of Cities and Towns recommends to pay it, then that would be good enough for me. And I would say 95% of the time, I would agree with you. Unless there's some question, unless you feel like there's some. But for instance, this claim, I said to Sarah, our truck backed into his building. Granted, we were giving them some free dirt. So no good tea goes unpunished. But the fact of the matter is, we backed into his building. So pretty clear liability. Not supposed to back into buildings. So I said, yeah, tell them to pay it and we'll approve the $1,000 at the board meeting. But whether that should be our practice or not is horrendous question. I hate to delay. I don't know. So if you just give authorization, I mean, that's the whole thing. I just need to know that. Because now I'm bound to write that check to them. So it's like it's authorized. If we put something on the orders, you guys can pay it or nay it. But this one, we've agreed to do it. So it's kind of like you signing an order. So procedurally, either you give Peter as chair or something permission to authorize the expense, or how do you want to pay it? So it could be paid without before it goes to the board meeting? Well, the $1,000 isn't going to get paid to the board meeting because it's going to go on order, right? It would go on order, but you're already bound to it. It's from a microscope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I got it. I got it. It doesn't make sense to you that you would like someone else to just review it and have Peter have the chair look at it? Well, I don't think it's a treasurer's authorization. I think it's what I'm trying to say is a majority of the board needs to authorize all expenses. And that's where I'm coming from with it. But aren't we authorizing it when we sign? Yeah, but her point is that once it's done. So it's a two-phase thing. Do we want to wait for a board meeting to authorize VLCT to pay a claim? And if we say yes, wait, then the $1,000 is fine because we're going to review the whole thing at a board meeting and do it. But it could be two or three weeks before a board meeting. And then there's always time for processing and everything else. I just hate on a, and like I said, maybe we say anything less than, I'm not sure we've ever had a claim that's more than $10,000. Maybe we have. But most of our claims are exactly like this, backing into something. Let's say less than 10k. It can just go ahead. We don't need a board meeting. We need to review it. But how often is that going to happen behind you that we have more than 10k a couple times a year? I'm sorry. I don't think that. I say, let's just say, if it's more than 10k, the board looks at it. And if it's less than 10k, it just gets fine. For what? For what? So what we're talking about, Marion, you missed 20 minutes of discussion. So I'll give you the very, I know. But I'll just give you the executive summary version. So we have a small claim with the Vermont League of Citizens and Patents. It's a $2,500 claim. They call up. They've investigated the claim. They recommend paying the claim. Unlike traditional insurance with the League, we have to approve the payment of any claims. So the question is twofold. Number one, are we going to have me as the chairman or someone else approve these small claims when they occur so the process can be ongoing? But understand at the same time, once that's done, I've obligated us to pay the $1,000 deductible. So what I did in this case, which I probably shouldn't have done, and Dorinda's right, is I said, we have to pay the claim. It's a legitimate claim. Go ahead and tell them to pay the claim. That's our typical chair. Well, I wasn't thinking it all the way through when I did it. The question is, does it make sense to say, and with Liz is suggesting that we say anything under $10,000, we have a, and I'm not saying it's me. Could be Dorinda. Could be any one of us. But I don't think it's appropriate to wait for a board meeting to do that. We have to trust the League to make a good judgment about whether it's a legitimate claim or not. And they do a pretty good job of denying claims. And when they recommend payment, we should do it. So Liz is suggesting we say anything under $10,000, and I'm not sure whether you're saying it's me or someone else or whoever, has the authority to make that decision and do it in between board meetings. Do we have to designate any person? Yes. Well, you have to some, I'm asking for somebody to, with all this fraud going on and everything, that people are expending money without real authorization to do it. So I'm just saying, I think, that somebody needs, to sign any kind of order or something, you need the majority of the board to approve the expense. This is an expense that's being approved before the check is written. So how do you want to handle it? Are you going to appoint somebody, or do you want to wait until procedurally? Will we wait until it comes before the board? I say we appoint the chair. And if the chair isn't available, the vice chair. Are you making that a motion? Yes. I think Steve's going to second it. I second that. OK then. All in favor of the motion that for any insurance claim, $10,000 or under the board chairman or vice chairman shall have the authority and his absent shall have the authority to authorize payment of the claim. And obviously, that means if you look at it and say, huh, I'm not comfortable with this, then we wait for the board meeting. Yes. That sounds like it's good. So and that is also obligating us to pay our share of the claim, which is $1,000. We have that deductible with each claim, right? Yes. Although I had thought that deductible only applied to auto claims during this kind of. Well, she told me we had to pay the $1,000. Are you getting ready for crying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's an auto claim. That's OK, because we also have a fire department coming up. I'm just trying to figure out, you know, because Steve's, we've got a time crunch here because Steve's living at six. I know. OK, and we've got some issues that he's very familiar with. You're confusing me now. Do you want to go ahead with a natural discussion? Is that what you're suggesting? I'm saying that there are, you've got that's, if there's any issue that needs to be dealt with while Steve is here, you might want to do it now. And what issues that? Numbers, the six o'clock one? I would think that Steve's done some research on notch rodents in your packet, Paul's letter. Well, that's up to the chair. Well, I would say we should discuss the notch rodent situation. But we're waiting for. He should be here any second. OK, he's just coming from your home. He's coming from work. He got tight, he was in a meeting. And then we have to have the fire department. We have to have the fire department. If you're waiting for Brian, you can have the fire department. OK then, well, the fire department's ready to go. Let's do the fire department. Mark, you can sit up there because Phil's not. OK, do you want me to make copies of what? That would be helpful, yes. Thank you. You're just so valuable, Steve. Yeah. If there's a notch rodent situation. No, no, I mean, where does the problem with Steve's? It's his birthday and he's going out. We can do my hanging out. Not at all. OK, you don't mind hanging out. That's great. So I think I'm going to send you to the back of the room, Sky. Sorry, we're going to send you to the back of the room. Hey, Mary, I think these guys probably would want to sit together. OK, but also, you can have money on either side of it. That's right. I've felt that for years. I mean, I just felt like, I mean, I really think it is $5,000. I don't think we have a choice in the room because it's created by the Cemetery Commission. Oh, this smells like a murder. What am I missing over here? Well, now you're getting the fire department budget. Do they also do the rest of the process? Here you guys, do you want to pass that around? There's a fire department. Yes, I do. Sinking well now? George? Thanks. I don't know if I've seen this in a sense. OK. I can make some more time. I think there's enough. You don't need more stare, I don't think. No. What do you mind getting a little bit down the floor so I can look at the budget? I have a question about the change you've selected. There's a couple here left. Here, I just took this one right off the burner. OK. Steve, I'll have 12. It's also been trending. So I put that up. OK. Yeah, that was the only. Right, we under budgeted last year. Everything else would be OK. And I'm going to just let you guys bring up the things on the bottom. Thank you. Welcome to the fire department. Thank you all for coming. Because I've got a ball, but I've got different people. And large. Mostly more thought out now. So you're on. So thank you for coming. Sure. It's pretty simple. If you look for a 2020 budget, and then you look at 2121 budget, it's all the same. With the exception of electricity, which we spent $2,000 on electricity, so I bumped that budget item up to match current rates. OK. And the property, casualty, workman's comp, and Capital West have not been determined yet. Those are things we don't really have too much of a say on. So I didn't put them in the budget up on the light item, because they're not filled in. That's why you'll see the blank spaces on 2021. I just listed estimates down on the bottom, based on current trends. Probably, and I guess you guys tell us the first two. And Capital West will at some point. I think Capital West is they've set their rates for the 2020, and then it's another contract negotiation going on. So it's six months and six months, right? No, we pay quarterly, but they tell us the rate for the year. So it's a calendar year? No, I don't know. I thought it was we had one rate for six months, and then it changed. I'm pretty sure that they gave us a rate for the year when they gave us something. And when they gave us the 2020, I wasn't the treasurer. So I don't really know. Have your name again. March. Hi, March. I'm Ray Skinner. Thanks. Yeah, and hopefully by the time it's time to finalize the budget, we should have all those numbers. Yeah, I sent an email to Capital West to ask them, and I didn't get a response. Which number line number is that? Capital West is under radio dispatch. Dispatch. 40.01. 48.01, yeah, 40.01. So when you have $65,000 total, does that include any amount for that? It includes the estimate. She's given an estimate. For the line item she has entered, Mary, she's put estimates down below. So. I got you. Capital West never goes down. No. And my experience is that with this renegotiation, it'll take a good size jump. Well, plus they're reorganizing, I think. Yes. And there's some. Well, who knows? They're supposedly going to merge with the city of Barry Dispatch and to save everybody money, but that never works. Well, they stop better than it was their year. Public safety authority. Yeah. Neither Montpelier City nor Barry City wanted to give up their autonomy. So it's right now, et cetera. And what, they paid somebody $70,000 to consult and put it together in a year and a half? Yeah. So that's already, I don't know. Anyway. Have you done any debt service for us like it has in the? That gets calculated from our department. Yeah, this is just our operating budget. Yeah, so this doesn't include the bond and the truck. The truck. Right. Which we're actually paying tonight. So we know what this year's payments are. Oh, yeah. Because it's like, yes, it's $80,000 for last year. But does that include the? No, it can't. Fire station costs. We're paying two notes tonight, 18,000 and one's, yeah, it's on the summary right now. That note is for which one? Right there. The truck. So bear with me a second here. I'm sorry. It's like $18,000 or something. So the fire station principal and interest is $49,465. This year, that's what we're paying tonight. $49,465. Yeah. And I believe that that's calculated so it's the same payment, right? It doesn't, does the interest go down every year? I don't think it does. That went on the bond. It doesn't change. Right. The bond and the bond? Yeah, you had $40,000 for each year of the last year. Right, it stays the same on that. The payment stays the same. It's the interest. Well, there's principal and then there's interest. And then the other one is the truck loan, which is principal and interest, $18,150. So those aren't going to change that much. So it's another $58,000. For the total budget. For the total budget, yeah. Well, does everything else pay off? This is to the fire, the equipment note, I believe, we paid that off this year. So I think that's, and the 98 truck is paid off. So there are only four. I think it's only two left there. Yeah. And I know this is always so crazy because here we are, right, we're barely into the second quarter of the year and we're already forecasting for the next year, which I know is frustrating. But you believe that the FY20 budget is going to be OK, the best you can tell? I mean, we hit it last year. I mean, we didn't hit it last year. Yeah, but you're not aware. None of you are aware of any major repairs or other. No. Yeah. Oh, I know. I know. We know. What do we know? We've seen Engine 1 is working great. That's the one we spent money on last year. And the biggest number is the dispatch, which we know is a given. Right, that's beyond our goal. But that one we know is a given because we don't buy it. We'll know the insurance by then, too. We'll know the insurance by then. So those are the actual numbers. No questions, anybody? Yeah, did you? Are you OK with air packs? I seem to recall that we moved off buying them last year when you needed them, or am I missing something? No, that was air bottles, but air packs. Once you're done with what we're, we have some forecasting to let you be aware of. OK. And that covers. OK. Nope. I don't have any questions. OK. And how many members in the fire department now? We're up to 11. And a fast squad? It's five, three of which are fast squad only. What does that mean? They're only doing a squad. They don't do fire and fast squad. Oh, I see. When you say five, is that the same as some of the 11 members? Two of the 11. Two of the 11 are also on the fast squad. That's what they're saying. So essentially, 14 people. Yeah. How many firefighters actually go to, like, actually fight with hoses and stuff? We've been averaging, well, of course, it depends on the time of the day. Evenings, we've been averaging seven to nine. Oh, that's good. Date time? None. One. One, two, depending on if it's earlier, there's a guy who doesn't work until two in the afternoon. So he can respond. Yeah. But that's the one we call mutual aid. Right, that's my thought for mutual aid. Because you don't always call mutual aid? If we don't need to, we don't call them. Have you had a lot during the day recently? Not in the last month. I'm just curious, if I were to call 911 and say, I have a house fire, first they'd send you, and then you would say, we need backup? No. The way it's supposed to work is they would tone us and not pay your fire. Because whenever there's a structure fire, it's a reported structure fire. So always report a structure fire if you have one. OK, as opposed to. It's a building fire. My house is on fire. We'll get you a better response than there's smoke in the building. OK, I see. Or like my oven. Exactly. I remember that. The mouse who built a nest and it kept burning. Yeah, so if it's a structure fire, it's us and not pay right away. In your house? We don't wait, when it's a structure fire, we don't wait till we get unseen to start calling. Good to know. We'll roll mutual aid immediately. I think there's actually more than just awesome month. It depends on where it is that it'll Sunday. They're Worcester or Waterbury. Or more down and they have cars. Sometimes they'll do that automatically. Sometimes they'll wait for us to say some second alarm and that will trigger other departments. So if we ask for tanker task force one for district one, that'll set up four or five more tankers from different departments, depending on the location. I'm digressing from the budget. I'm sorry. Don't get, I always have your ear, so I just ask. Does this correspond with what's in this? I mean, because I noticed you don't have anything for E911 signs. Does that mean you're not going to, it's just a zero line? No, but they don't do that. It has got put on, it was, that was put on because of the money that they were raising. And we took the extra money and gave it back to the fire department. That's the reason that line's in there. So we have the gap to get it. OK, so what's the most current data on what percentage of your calls are up on the interstate? I haven't done the split out yet. We were about 60 calls total, 60 fire calls total. For, for what period? From 1 January to tonight, about 60. Might be 59, might be 61 somewhere in that neighborhood. And I'm guessing the standard 30% what's been in the past, I think that's probably, without having the book here to look at, that's about the. So it's running about the same way it has. Yeah, it hasn't changed. Do you think you could get us that information so that we have it for our files? Yeah. I have more stats on the FASQA than you could ever need, so you just have to ask. Can we have the FASQA statistics for the same period? What would you like? Your data, your data from January 1 to the present. How many calls, you know? You said you have it all. I have many calls. I have what we did. I have who was there. How many pages do you want? I think the number of calls would be sufficient. The number of calls. Thank you. Yeah. And I have broken out how many interstate calls, because generally, if the, you know, not every call of the FASQA that's on the interstate, the FASQA goes in. We go to all the car wrecks, but if it just comes in as a fire, we get to roll over and then go back to sleep. The FASQA don't need people. Yeah. That's what I do when the FASQA goes on. I might roll over and go back to sleep. So how many of the 15 are middle sex residents? Let's see. No, three. Because Paul. Paul's living in town now. Who's Paul? Paul Lucenti. OK, I'm sorry. Paul, he's on the fire tonight. And he's finally moved in to mid-sex? Nice. He joined the fire department without any armed custody. Paul Lucenti. He had some pretty heavy duty armed custody. He used to live in Waterbury? That's soon, actually. Well, he lived in New York State. Well, then he was living in, and if you talk to him, you'll think Massachusetts. Maybe that's why. He's got a pretty heavy accent. He does. He was living up in Winooski. He bought land here, what, two years ago? He built a house in Waterbury. I'll say, did I see you riding your bike the other day and not the other? OK, so who else? Yeah, good for you. Eric and myself. Eric. What's your name? Oh, hi. And Doug lives 100 yards from the line? Maybe. I'm standing on the pillar. Well, we had two fast-quad members who technically live in Moretown, but it's our coverage area. And one of the firefighters lives in our coverage area of Moretown. So they're essentially middle sex because we're first there. Or at least our service area. Right. OK. I'm also, unless anybody has anything else, thank you all for coming. You want to hear our? Oh, sorry. Everybody hear this? Yeah, yes, I'm sorry. Our airpacks, which we got through a grant system back in 2003, I believe, is before I came in late 2004. Our Scott Airpac, or Scott Company, will no longer support them in four years. That doesn't mean they can't be inspected. However, if there are any parts, if the person who we have, the company we have come and inspect them doesn't have parts, the packs are gone. Is this like where you use them to breathe while you're in a fire or something? Yeah, fire or it's to keep us breathing fresh air no matter what it happens to be. So with that in mind, we're looking to the future in four, five, or six years, we're going to have to replace our packs. We currently have 11 packs where the plan is to go down to eight packs of before on each engine. And in today's dollars with today just a quick basic air pack, which that's what we'd be going for, or we would get some masks with microphones on them. But you're looking at $58,399.20. For eight? For eight. Air packs are not inexpensive. Well, they're like. But you have to have them. Absolutely. And you may ask the question, well, why don't we place one at a time? The problem with placing one at a time is you have different models or maybe different manufacturers. So now you've got to train people on two different things. And part of the training is that things operate the same so you can do the same thing every time, a repetitive thing. If you're working with two different systems, you're not dealing with the same system. So it may not be the same operation. So my experience is, and what I talk to various departments around is they replace all of them at once. So we're all saying it from the same show. Can you have a capital account so that you raise $10,000 every year for the next five years? Is that something you can do? Well, we don't need $10,000 next year. No, I know, but you need $60,000 in five years. So we've chosen some in the old days, we used to do that for our town equipment also. Yeah. For the last, I'm saying 10 years or so, we have not done that. We've borrowed the money. We've taken out loans, right. So if we're not, this is still going to take a loan out for it. And say, we shouldn't be doing that stockpiling money. Well, you can have it. No, we can do that if we choose to if it's for a specific purpose. It's the undesignated fund balance that he gets to touch you about. But the thing, I think, which turned to me over, two things turned me over to the debt service on the board at that time, I think. One was low interest rates. And the second was the idea of, do you really want to have the taxpayers pay for something before they have it? When you're paying the loan, you have the equipment, the greater, the air packs, whatever it is, and you're using them, and you're paying for them while you're using them. You're not taxing people in advance for something you might get down the road. You might not get down the road. Have we done that on the road? That's where we put that. But the other thing, I would say is, let's keep our fingers crossed. Who knows? There might be a grant in the next three or four years. And I'm sure you guys will keep your eyes out for that, as we'll pay. Right, but I'm presenting. No, no, no. It's good to know. Because that's the kind of stuff that. But it sounds like, then, if there were no grant and there were no opportunities that you would want to take a loan out for these acts, you would do it that way instead of this saving 10,000 every year. I'm just asking, because we'd want to start doing this budget. Well, I think that's we don't have to discuss that tonight. I think that's one of the issues we'll be dealing with when we get down to once what when. Right, OK. So the next item, I'll go with the next cheaper item, is turnout gear. Our turnout gear is getting old. What is that for a year? That's the stuff we wear besides the airbag. So the pants, the coat, and the helmets are OK. Those are well over 10 years old. They're starting to get worn. So we're going to have to start replacing those. We're looking at probably about four sets a year. And we haven't gotten any hard prices, but we're looking at $12 to $1,500 per set. And that's just a, we've had them a long time. But there's no consistency issue on that. No. How do they fit it? But people are different sizes, how do they? You just find one that fits some better than others. They're somewhat adjustable. OK. You can always wear a bigger coat, right? OK, yeah. And the older stuff, we're not going to throw it away. It's just that when the pants start to get frayed, the people who are earmarked for going in, they're going to get the new equipment. So and if we have, if something happens, we replace a piece of equipment right away, like for boots or if someone were ready to rip, you know, that's like this is just a matter of time. The last time one of our guys or one of our people went in and needed that gear. The last time there was a fire. It's mandated that you wear it. And you don't have to turn out gear at a fire scene. And you don't have to go actually go in. If you're outside, you need to have it on. If you're at a car fire, you need to have it on. If you're at is as. You can't go in unless you have the air pack. And the gear. Yeah, and the gear. But I'm just saying. But I'm just saying to the gear you've got on at the fire scene. The exterior firefighters have to have the gear on. Correct. Differences, they don't need the air pack being outside, unless it's a car fire. Then you do need the air pack. Because of the fumes? Because of all the stuff that's burning the plastics and stuff like that that the cars are made of nowadays. So the next thing is the rescue. We have an 83 Chevy, which is getting all of the tooth, not to mention it's way past NFPA. What we're looking at is instead of getting. What's a rescue? You mean like the air truck? That's the one that carries. It looks like an ambulance. It's got the square box. And it carries the equipment like people and tools. So what we're looking at instead of getting a box like that is getting a six pack pickup truck and putting a cap on it with an eight foot bed and have roll out trays. So the only specialized thing it will be the light lighting system. And the radio. The radio we can pull from the current rescue. Yeah. So you would get what you call a six pack, which is a crew cab truck. Do we have an ambulance? No. So what does a fast quad do? They go, how do they go in their car? We provide. It's a fast quad actually. I just found this out. It stands for First Aid Stabilization Team as a first responder. So we get there and then the ambulance shows up. OK, so you're in your car. We go in our cars. OK. Well, then what's the 1982? That carries equipment like. It doesn't carry bodies. Signs for the sick guys to be carried so like two people in the front and four people in the back. But I meant like to ask them. No, no, no, it does not transport patients. Right. It carries firefighters to the scene and equipment. And one of the reasons we want to go with the six pack configuration is right now, if you're in the back of the rescue, the only in and out is in the back. And if it were to get rear-ended on the way to or from, you're trapped until somebody cuts you out. Whereas a six pack pickup truck, number one, it's going to be cheaper. Number two, everybody, it's like a truck. It's a pickup truck. How much? I haven't done the figures yet. We haven't even looked at it. But there's a lot more availability in something that's reasonable to lose. Yeah, you could get one off of a lease. You could. Yeah, I mean, we don't need to get a brand. No. I don't know how much pickup this is in a specialty vehicle. Well, we could do the same thing like as we did with the tankers. Get a cab and chassis with a crew cab and a chassis and just get a body modified to do what we want with it. To carry the equipment that we have. When do you think that has to be done? Within the next two years. So not in this budget. But like 2022 or 2023? Yeah. Because we're starting to get. We're going to get it done before we have to buy the airpacks. We're starting to get to putting maintenance into the rescue that we're at that point, is it worth putting the dollars into that versus replacing it? For an 83. Yeah. And we can start, I mean, I guess we were coming to bring these kind of things forward so that we could get your input about how you saw spending $60,000 on airpacks if you wanted to do it in different ways. Or go ahead. So the answer always is, if you know, we need a new grater. That's a quarter of a million dollars. We're sitting on our hands. We're trying to manage the money. We had a bad budget year last year. We went way over on our budget. We had some unanticipated expenses. If there's ever such thing as a good budget year, that's a good time to do some of these things if we're thinking about them. So it's good to know. We obviously have got to spread this stuff out from a town point of view and a fire department point of view. Well, that's why we're. No, no, no. I appreciate that. For the grater, have you checked with the state? We're not getting into that subject right now. We only got to the engine. Because I know when we were looking at the engine, there were a lot popping up. Yeah. No, we've got, I mean, the answer is when we really get into it, we'll be looking at everything, just like you guys do. But I'm just saying, we know from a town point of view we have some big expenditures coming up. And obviously, you guys do too. And once we replace the rescue, that our vehicles should stabilize for quite a substantial amount of time. But when do we have to rehab Engine 1? Don't you have to send that in every 20 years or something for mandatory pump something? No. If the pump is leaking or whatnot, we have it rebuilt. It's like we had Engine 6's pump rebuilt when we got it all new valves put in it. So if it's working fine, we don't need to. It's just that NFPA recommends replacing vehicles every 25 years. Now, we take that with a grain of salt because we're not a professional fire department. It doesn't get used as much as a professional fire department would. Let's not use that term. Well, I'd like to think that we're not a professional. We're not a paid department. We're not Montpelier City or Berry City. So they tend to have to follow that. That's more of a regulation for them. But that's more of a guideline for them. Well, I know in the past it's been discussed as an insurance issue, but nothing has happened yet. But I know it came up years ago. Yeah, and if the insurance company is stipulated, then they're going to have to. So that's what we're looking at. And we're going with that pickup. We're trying to keep that price down versus getting a rescue vehicle. Any other questions? Any other comments? Good. OK, thank you all for coming. Your thing? Thank you. More so. Yeah, then we'll have to go to the road. OK. Thank you very much. Just cheers, Sarah. Oh. That's OK. You can just sit down and have your camera down. Maybe. I forgot. OK, thanks. Bye. I can't ever sense what's the name of the tire. Yeah, I know. I was bummed about that. Yeah. Brian. Happy birthday. Slide out. Thanks. I'm going to tell you a few tell-on stories. All right. I'm Barry Skinner. Brian, right then. Brian. Right. Hi. This is Guy Marsh. Oh, hi. Wow. What was that? I want to tell you guys that there is a packet in your stuff there of the falls. I have not. OK. I think it's right in here. Scott, hold up. I just attacked. This is Paul's. This is Paul's memo that he sends this afternoon along, and then snatch it to that as state statute stuff. Here it is. Last time you were in there. This is one for your brother. You got it, please? Yeah, he's got mine right now. How do you see the state statute? They're attached to this in the back. Yeah. It just outlines the procedure. OK. I saw that. I'm looking for one, and I can't seem to find it. Here, do you want to hand this in tomorrow's vote? This is class four. OK. Got it. You want me to lead up on this one? Sure. All right. Perfect. So Paul did a site visit and went over some stuff up there of what would need to be done to bring this up to that class three. Did we discuss last meeting about this extension? Yes, it is. So anyway, I drove up there, and I actually drove all the way up to where you go down to the town forest. And just looking at that, because Paul and I were talking about if we're going to upgrade that road, then we're going to need a place to be able to turn around. And our thought process was we're going to have to have a place to turn around with a plow. It probably would be a place where people are going to park. For the town forest? Yeah. I mean, if they're parking down where the state thing is now. And if we put a place to turn around for the plow, which we're going to have to have, that has to happen. So in looking at that, my first thing was, well, just past Brian's driveway is this nice little plot. But I think you probably have septic stuff that's pretty close to that. We should be in the clear. Yeah. Yeah. Turn around. Yeah, I'm looking at that area that's kind of a bowl in there. I mean, because we're going to have to have something that's a decent area. I don't think right at your driveway. Up a little bit. Yeah. So that would have to be worked on where, I mean, it wouldn't have to go there. But wherever we put that, you're going to end up with people parking there. It's a fair amount of people parking there now. And that will decrease when the winter comes. The snow banks start piling up and there's just no space. And if they are, they're vehicles in danger of us coming down our driveway really and also doing our own plowing. So it's happening now. I mean, at this point, the traffic is so much that there's, there's people parking on the Notch Road. Because the lower parking lot on some days is simply not large enough to handle the current activity that the trail is seeing. The right when, before you turn up to your driveway, and then it becomes like a path. I forget who owns that. Is that, that takes you to the Notch? That's the, well, the town on my way. The town road. The town road, fish and wildlife management area on the left side. Our property runs to the edge where you make the crossing to enter the town forest. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you're to the edge of the new parcel. Yeah. There was in, Correct. 50 feet of that. Yeah. Point. And right now people are parking technically where they shouldn't be parking. Really, everywhere. Depending on some, it was maybe three weeks ago, there was cars lined up and down the Notch Road, actually. Like between the parking with where there's four spaces for four cars and your road. And then some people have been driving all the way down. Yeah. All the way to the cabins. Yeah. And parking. They have been, yeah. And we've even had folks parking like on our driveway. Driveway. Yeah. You guys put a sign, didn't you? We did, yeah. Yeah. It has helped, yeah. The adventure race day, which we didn't know was happening. There was a guy who was like an official. He parked down on the like grassy area at our property. And it's not a big deal, but. I didn't know there was something like that. Yeah. It was like a GMARA. It all came from, I don't know where they came from. Worcester. Yeah. So, well, we have, I mean, just not to complicate the issue, but I was out peering at roads and foliage about a week ago. And I went up to the town forest. Because I just, you know, I've been up there before, but it's amazing. Every time I go up, I see something new or different. But also, I went around Bear Swamp by the whole Hunger Mountain Hootoo. And there, we're honest, it got cars parked everywhere. I've never seen anything like it. Four-wheel drive cars down in ditches like this, with their rear end sticking out of the road. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. It's a problem. So I think that. But anyway, that isn't really this, that isn't really this subject. Well, no, but the parking is going to be an issue there. That's why I was talking with Paul about, you know, it'd be nice if we could make an area there that's large enough to handle a few cars. Not, well, more than three or four, because like I said, they overflow the other one without getting into a real big thing. That's all on, but if we did that, the state has the land on the other side of the road. That would be all right, except for it's all ledge right there and it goes uphill. So the obvious side to try to do something would be on frames, land, and it wouldn't be way out because to put a road out there, a classroom road way out would be more than the town would want to. I thought that the request was to let them upgrade. It is. It is. And we're getting off that a little bit because I was trying to address the parking and the turnaround. So, I mean, the residents up there want to upgrade the road. The cost of upgrading the road is going to have to be borne by them. And they're going to do the work, too, right? Yeah. Well, yes. Higher work. I'm sorry, what is it to your benefit to upgrade the road? So right now it's a class four road. We've improved it over time. I mean, the main issue for me is safety. I brought it not. I don't think I've actually brought it to the board before, but I've certainly had conversations with you and certainly with Paul and Gary LaMelle before that. One particular instance that sticks into my head, which was a very close call in the wintertime. And what's happened now is that the concern is growing significantly. It's pretty much a few times a week that I encounter a family hikers with dogs. And I don't blame them. They're on a nature walk, but it's always a complete disaster ensues. People don't know what to do. They see a car. So I think improving the road to access the town facility will give better sight lines. It'll improve the width, which is a big issue. And it will improve the width, the tread, and the sight lines. And then the biggest issue from a safety perspective is the wintertime. That road gets very narrow and can turn into a surface that you just simply can't stop on. So you're going and neutral, feathering the brakes, but if you have to stop, in many cases you can. And that's the instance that happened to me three or four years ago. That's when I first approached the town to start sanding and upgrading and maintaining the road. Because by no fault of our own, people are accessing the town facility using that road. So you guys are like your community in that area is on board with upgrading it and paying for it? That's new. That's news to us. That wasn't, I mean, that's a conversation. I think we'd probably be willing to put some money into it, but we feel that it's servicing a town facility. Peter, may I just, do I have a point of clarification here? Sure. I don't know, and maybe I'm wrong. I think we maybe have to talk to a town attorney about this. If you're going to upgrade a class 4 road to class 3 standards, if it has to be declared a class 3, and that's why I give you guys part of the statute. Because it says part of the report of the findings provided for the subsection, the select man may order the petitioner bear the cost of upgrading a class 4 town highway to a class town 3 highway standards. So that we understand, but I think before that we have to go through a whole process. I might be wrong, but I do believe it has to be an entire process to allow them to bring it up to class 3 standards. That's always been my understanding of it. I just don't know if these guys understand it. We're all just talking about just upgrading it without understanding that there is a process of whether the select board wants to do this on their own volition, or if the select board is going to insist that the petitioner do that and that if the select board does it of their own volition, if that means that Brian is no longer the petitioner, that means that the select board can no longer require that Brian to and that community to upgrade the roads. Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't. You lost me in the middle of that. Okay. I mean, my understanding and position has always been when we receive a request to upgrade a road. Yeah. And you've outlined a process here. We go out and do an inspection. Okay, what's it going to take to bring the road up to class 3 standards? It's done that. Then in the normal ebb and flow of things it's up to the people requesting to improve the road to pay for the cost of those improvements, whatever they are. Now, I understand some of this problem is being brought on by the town forest and I don't know how we deal with that and divide it up, but if this is a road upgrade which potentially benefits the town also, it just makes sense to me that there's got to be some kind of sharing involved in this. But I don't know if the other board members agree with that. We've got to. We've got it. We haven't had that discussion. Right. But I mean, the first step is to get some kind of handle on which is what this is the first step in doing is what's the actual cost involved? Yeah. And, you know, first of all, exactly what we're going to do, where we're going to put the turnaround, how big is it going to be? Are we going to make it extra large? So it can be used for parking? Is it real or what we would recommend to them? Well, it's a combination of two. It could be a... Well, I mean, we're making it sound as if we're all on board and I, for instance, don't know enough about it to feel that way. We're not saying I'm on board at all. We're not having a discussion yet, Mary. We're just all preliminary. It's the same. When you're talking, we make me nervous. Mary, this is all preliminary. Certainly, if it wasn't for the town forest and that issue, I would be sitting here saying it's 100% on the neighborhood to pay for the cost of upgrading if they choose to do it. And we'll tell you what you need to do. You can go out and get the estimates, make a decision about whether you want to go forward or not. This is a little different, in my view, just because part of the problem is brought on by the 10-4. It's kind of ironic that conservation commissioner select board by promoting conservation of increased traffic on their road. And do we, does the town bear responsibility? I don't know where that lands, but I mean, certainly I don't want anybody to interpret this and that's making Mary nervous that the town is agreeing to do any of this at this point in time. And we aren't. No, we're not. We're not. But we are going to have discussions and I think we can have more discussions on that and about the parking and about. Can I ask a question? Is it possible in if you could put on, this is just thinking about how it would get paid for that if they get a petition that, you know, the percentage of people who need to have it be put on the ballot, that it gets paid for as a separate line item, like will the voters of middle sex vote to turn this road into a class three at the expense of $70,000? I mean, is that an option? I don't know. So I just want to be, this is why I gave you guys this deduce. There's a whole process as I think you know. We've downgraded roads. Now we're going to upgrade roads. You're going to have a public hearing. There's going to be a survey. We haven't gone into that. Right. So it's not something that just could be done decided at a select board meeting. I have the color questions here. How long have you lived on that road? A while. We had nine years. And you were describing conditions concerning the, for a better term, treacherous nature of navigating your own road. Did those conditions exist prior to the town forest becoming so popular? In other words, did you sort of, are those conditions unrelated? Well, it's the increased traffic. And so people walk the road to access the town forest. There was two other property owners that live on the road other than us. And they have, they had, the road was upgraded. It's still class four, but we put effort into it and money into it. And then the road splits and then it goes up to our house. We're the last house. So those conditions, there was always a road there. So presumably the town has never maintained the road. The road always gets icy. Now, with plowing and things like that, there's just not the space. So what you, you end up with these tunnels. And that's where, that's where the winter concern is actually the biggest concern for me from a safety perspective. I just was wondering whether, okay, you answered my question. And I mean, I would just point out for context that I met with Paul. I don't know if you've had a chance to really go into it. And if we're talking about creating a different parking area, maybe there's some increased costs, but his feeling on the matter was we're not talking about $70,000. We're talking about a day or two of tree cutting. She was just throwing a number out there. There's no, nobody's talked about any numbers. Like two or three days of road. It's like, it's a three or four or five day job. Oh, it's not like widening it to. It is widening the road and it's ditches and it's doing something different with the co-works and this kind of some trees. So it's probably a little bit more than a few days work. However, we, we haven't even, I mean, I just, I just want to back up a minute and be clear about one thing with regard to what Liz said. The town can of its own volition upgrade a road. Okay. We can build roads, we can create roads, we can do all kinds of things. Okay. Our policy in our practice has been on road upgrades when residents approach us about upgrading a road that the upgrade is done with the supervision of the town but at the expense of the property owners. That's been what we've done. We have not in my memory ever created or extended a road at the town only's expense. The one exception might be that little section of McCulloch Road that we put some time and money into when we upgraded that. But generally that has not been our practice. So all I'm saying is, you know, we've got to figure this out together and figure out what makes sense. Okay. I'm not willing to say, none of us are willing to say at this point in time that the town is willing to do this. We want to talk to you and figure out, you know, what makes sense and then we can have a discussion about how we're going to pay for it. And by we, I mean, all of us together pay for it or maybe it's going to be that the only way we're willing to do it is to have you do it all. Which, to be honest, doesn't seem fair to me at this point in time. That's what we've been doing so far. The road is the way it is because of the investments that we've made. Right. But, you know, at this point it's not cutting it for the amount of traffic that it's seeing. That's why we're bringing the issue to the board. No, I do have one question. There is, it's this trail we've created and the cabin that are creating this traffic, right? Because there is access to the town forest through our pit. Am I not right about that? Well, but nobody's hiking through the pit to get to the... It's not a very dangerous area. Too dangerous, actually. No, that's... Nobody, nobody... The trail is really nice and people from outside of Little Six are starting to hear about it. I mean, it's on the map. It's on the map. I mean, there are some issues with the pit. But I mean, the question I'm asking is, is it because there's plenty of room there to create all kinds of parking? Yeah. Yeah, I see where you're going with that. So I'm just saying improving... If that access is feasible and makes sense, that's an opportunity. Access. And I realize it isn't immediate access to the trail. You'd have to hike up... I hiked a lot back when we were creating the town forest. And it's, I guess, most of it's an old logging road, right, Steve? Have you been up in there? It is, yeah. It's very wet. It would need a lot of work to be good at... But I just want to throw that out there. It's just an option to deal with the traffic issue. I just get worried about timing. And I'm all for it. As far as timing goes, there's no way that this thing is going to be upgraded this year. Right. Period. I mean, you've got that process to go through. But I think there's a lot of discussion to happen first as far as what Peter's saying. And that's not a bad idea either. If that could happen that, you know, people that are going to the town forest, you know, this is where you park, which is a totally different area. But, I mean... I don't know. I don't know either. But I just know back when we were creating the forest, it was a big issue that it was going to be access in the area of the pit. And yeah, you can't have people climbing up steep sandy banks. You'd have to create a way to do that. But there's plenty of land there, and it seems to me it would be feasible to do it. And potentially huge parking. And at the same time, we're talking about withdrawing some sand and gravel from that pit, which means there's going to be equipment there which is moving material around. And, you know, I'm just... Again, I'm just throwing it out there. So what's our next step? I mean, do I call a contractor to get this quoted or is the town going to... No, you don't. Because first of all, we will give the parameters of what needs to happen for that upgrade. Then there can be some cost analysis done just for informational purposes. All right? But I think we need to have the other conversations about the parking, about the road. And if we did the parking and the turnaround, that's on your land. Right. Which I'm willing to give the town what they need to make a successful turnaround. Well, so anyway, I think there's going to be... have to be several conversations to get this thing done to a point where we say this looks like the best avenue to go. And then we decide where everything is going from that point. But we can get the cost analysis of that part of it. I realize that after that, I mean, as far as some of that turnaround stuff, it's probably going to be on us anyway. But... If we go the petition route, what's the board's obligation to act? What does that mean when we petition and we get the signatures to address the issue? It's right there in your step. What's the board's obligation? 19708. Do you have it there? So what you're talking about is a petition for funds at town meeting? No, it would be to petition the board to upgrade the road. So we'd go and get the requisite signatures. That's what happens once... If you guys say no as a body, that is another option for us is to go to the residents and say we have this issue and we think the town... For the first time... One thing I was really interested in reading the statute says voters and landowners. Those are not always the same things. So I'm really surprised to see that. Yeah, because normally it's voters. Right. So we'll work with you and Paul. Yeah. We'll have more conversations and then we'll bring more information to the board. Let's just keep moving forward with this thing and see if we can meet resolution on it. Okay. So... Here we are in budget season, right? Yep. So it would be good to have some idea of what the cost is without committing, make sure when we're thinking about our budget. Absolutely. And we use it for some memberships. There's a group of conservation commissions. We use it for that. So we haven't increased our request. So do you have anything on your radar screen for the fund? We could use some more trail signs if we get the Vermont YCC conservation Youth Conservation Corps in there to do some consulting. We could use some of it for that. Signs for the town forest or signs... For the town forest trail. There's a couple of places where it could use little arrows. Sounds like it's getting a lot of publicity even without Yeah, it felt bad. Really impacted their lives up there by... But they're up on a hill today. Is it impacting them? It's pretty crazy when it's busy, Mary, because the cars parked every which way. Um... Well, he's got a steep hill to go up. Yeah. So all I'm saying is with regard to our previous conversation, if part of this potential project that we were just talking about is creating parking up there, that might be something where we could use some of that conservation money to do that. We could also use the bigger one, the 5,000. No, that's what I mean, the 5,000. The 500 isn't going to buy a pickup truck load of gravel, unfortunately. We want it at some point to come to you, the slide board, and look at the conditions and stipulations on that fund. See if maybe we should tweak that so it could be used for something like this. And I haven't looked at it in a while, but I mean my... I mean, you guys should take a first look at it. We are. I don't even think I've ever seen it. My memory is that it's pretty general, but it's not completely general. We're looking at it now. We'll continue that in our next video. But the answer is yes. We might use some of that money for a match for ShadyRail. Yeah. With your approval. ShadyRail for what? ShadyRail Water Quality Improvements in the park. Oh, right. I guess we don't get to area. You were not over there drinking water earlier, so I'm sure of that. You got it somewhere, but not there. I'm back in a while. It's not contagious. Probably good. It could be. What time does the pharmacy close? It closes at eight. I'll be okay. That's all for the conservation. Thank you very much. Thank you, George. How come the other people on the budget committee left when you were... I guess they thought we were done with the budget. We're going to spend $500 more. Okay, now what? Literally, they know that you're making a presentation. I have a question about budget. Is Ruth still on the budget? I don't think so. Did she send you a letter of resignation? I think so. She was going to. She did send a letter of resignation. So I think what she did was she sent me one. I said you got to send a letter of resignation and she wrote me something and said, you know, I'm off. So she... They haven't sold their house yet, though. No, that's why I wanted to... That has to be supported by the select board. So if you get anybody, you'll put that out there. Okay, thank you. You're healthy. Oh, you're sick, too, George? No, I'm not getting a job here. Oh. And I'm too far away to cough on you. Bye-bye. Bye, say hello to Cynthia. Approval of... of the September... October 1... Oh, my goodness. I forgot to take out September. I'd say it's approval of the October 1 select board minutes, action likely. That's it, yes. October 1? Yes, the last meeting. Move approval. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Second. Correspondence requests, Washington Democrats... Can I just ask you the 1-6-15 Victoria's claim? That's the 2-2500. That's what you... That's what we were talking about when you came in here. I just wanted to make sure that we covered it. Yeah, we covered it. I thought we did. Correspondence requests for Washington Democrats to rent Town Hall on November 18th and a request to hold the Town Hall November 1st action possible. Except I just want to be clear that the... So the reason why I'm the November 1st has nothing to do with the Washington County Democrats, sorry. That's a bunch of 14-year-olds who want to hold a party at Town Hall on the 30th. And the 1st of November as a Halloween party. I wanted to make sure you guys were okay with that. They're middle-sex kids. They're in a great... They're going to be adult supervision? Yes, there's going to be adult supervision. Do you know about this party? No, but eighth graders are just going to be adult supervision. They're going to have to get the transportation or the Bolbini alcohol. I asked them how... I said, well, when would the party start? They said 6.30 p.m. I said, what would it end? They said, well, what could end? I talked to Doug and Susan next door who said, well, they go to bed at 9. But it's okay. It could go till 10. It's 10 to 10.30. Who were asking for this? They're going to be 28th graders, 20 to 25 eighth graders upstairs at Town Hall, want to use it as a Halloween party. I just want to... I would say, though, I would want there to be an adult given the fact that they might have access to all this stuff in down here. Well, no, but that computer is all open. I would say you'd want one adult here at least. No, more than that. Yeah, they have one upstairs and... Fine. Well, that's why I gave this over to you guys. So are they... Are they renting it? Yeah, they're going to rent it for 25 bucks. Well, I always think you'd have to be of legal age to do that, wouldn't you? Someone's going to have to revere. I don't know. I would not want to 8th graders fire yourself in here. Well, you just tell me what the stipulations are and I will call them back because the town hall lease, the town hall rental, they're going to pay 25 bucks and there has to be how many adults they're to supervise. That's a lot for 25 kids. Two couples? That's not very much when you have a bunch of kids having a good time. I mean, are they bringing any stuff in? They're going to bring everything in. I'm sure that there's going to be adults here. What about cleanup? They're going to clean up. Minimum two adults say preferably four. We're not going to say they can't have their party if they only have three adults. Minimum two adults? Yes, and they clean up and the adult signs the time. Minimum two, preferably four. I like that at least. I don't like it very much. Well, you can also say no. Sounds like trouble to me. You can also say no. The problem is with these things, so it depends, A, we don't have any parties here all the time for the little kids, so I think we should do this. Well, these are our little kids anymore. I know, but I'm saying we used to have it like there were hay bales and candy and food and all these kids came in. I don't remember any. Well, maybe... We've had birthday parties here with little kids, but that's a very different situation. One time it actually turned out to be a disaster. That's what you're saying is going to be adults. That's when the toilets are on the road. Well, that's the other thing is that when it's a middle-sex, usually like a middle-sex birthday party or something along those lines, we don't require them to provide a certificate of insurance. Once they expand beyond, there's going to be a certificate of insurance. In this case, we're not just having middle-sex kids because they're at U32. We're having kids from other towns. So that's part two of this question. Somebody falls down those front steps of something you could be in. You can say no. That's why I'm bringing it to you, because it's a select board. It's your property, not mine. What's the period of time? 6.30 p.m. to 10.30 p.m. on November 1st. That's a long time. 20 to 25 eighth graders from the U32 and maybe Harwood area too. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, no. She's really... Hey, you're a hunk in the camera. How can we go to the fire department? Maybe the fire department will host it. They have a nice big open space. It's still a town property. We don't have a rental sign-up, but we'd have to get insurance. I am worried about things like the stairs. The stairs aren't always sketchy. The last time we had that huge birthday party where all the toilets overflowed... How about tell them we have a plumbing problem? Wasn't that Axl Stalberg's party? What we did? I don't think so. I forget who had that party. That was in March when the pipes all used to freeze. Some kid left the water on and no one checked. Let's just say no. No drumming of nails, please. Sorry. I can't stand those repetitive things. I don't know. On the other hand, here we are. The question is, can we set some snarky provisions which don't totally destroy... If it's one of these things that I've had this happen at my house where, oh yeah, you can each have a couple of friends over and all of a sudden the cars are lining up down the road and I'm out there being Billy bad guys shooing them away. Kids that age can't drive but boy, they're creative about how they get places. So this is what I would say that if we're going to do it, we limit it to the 25 because of the plumbing. So you can't have the capacity to do 25 with adults. 25 plus the adults. Yeah. So it's 30 max or something you could have. Because there might be a lot of adults. There might be a ton of adults who are in a company. So how about 20 kids and the rest delts no more than 30 altogether? Just say because of the plumbing 30 is our capacity because of the water issues. Is just a child that you're familiar with that asked? This is going to be a responsible party. Oh, suddenly you're not so nervous? No, I'm just saying they're very responsible. No, and I think it matters. It does matter. It's Lissa Noss and Grant. Right, and I forget the daughter's name. It's Cassie. The older one is like you're younger than Eric and then there's the interpreter. Are we going to say you 32 only? No. Oh, yes. Because it could be athletes. I wouldn't go there. I would just say limited to the people. Okay, 30 max no more than how many 8th graders? I would just say 30 people. 30 people. They're all adults by 8th grade. Yeah, and you want a minimum of two diapers. Depends on whether they have GRD or not. So a minimum of two adults, right? I haven't gone to the bottom. Are you guys still on the minimum of two adults? Minimum of two adults, preferably four. Minimum of two adults, preferably four. The adult must assign the town hall sign-off sheet. And what about insurance? We're not going to require them to have insurance. We have insurance. Fine work for town. Yeah, okay. All right. I'm sure that the Noss is 25 bucks. 25 bucks. So the Washington County Democrats. So the Washington, so just to give you a break. So this is the issue. When the middle sex Democrats met here, no big deal. They met upstairs or like five of them. No fee because it's like a local middle sex group. And they were only there for, I don't know, just for an hour or so. Now Sally Cavendon wants the Washington County Democrats to meet here on November 18th. And she has agreed that to provide a certificate of insurance. But she says they have only $37 in the kitty for the Washington County Democrats and it's going to leave it up to the discretion of the board whether or not to charge a fee. We should charge a fee because then the Republicans are going to want and then they're going to say, well you didn't charge a fee to the Democrats. You're like the Democrats. Wait a minute. I have a little additional information. Not that I'm sure it makes any difference. But, so I've been going back and forth with her on this. And anyway we had some communication issues but we straightened those out. So anyway, this is actually a meeting of the middle sex Democratic Committee and at the end of the meeting for some period of time the county people are going to come and charge them. Wait, how long are the county people going to be here? Undetermined, but it isn't a county meeting. It's Sally and Chris McVeigh and a few people. Right, meeting. And then the other people are coming. So exactly how much time it is and who their guests to the middle sex meeting. Right, that's what I'm saying. So I say we waive the 25. And plus there isn't a Republican committee in town. Wait a minute. I didn't hear you Mary, I'm sorry. There's no Republican committee in town. I thought I'm more of. Well I once had a fight with her. It's not when I was naive and I didn't know what was going on. So, Liz before you go do you mind if we just, she's hurt. I just have to go get my GERDia medication. No. We're not going to discuss the IT thing. No, no, no. I'll talk to the center of Rwanda's always management district. If you guys, because they need this letter by October 28th. You don't have to sign anything. I just need, if you just a point Peter to sign this letter in support of them applying for a grant for a hazardous waste. I'm sorry, it's a year round facility for collecting hazardous waste. They want to apply for a grant and they're asking for support. And they don't want to put it in middle sex. Not to my knowledge or information. And I don't know how much it will cost us down the road. I've asked those questions. Okay, so if you say yes and I'll drop the letter, if you authorize Peter to sign that. I think it's good because those periodic things I've tried to go to a couple of those and they have cars lined up for us. I just want to know where this garbage goes now that China doesn't take it anymore. That's the problem. China. First of all you have to have a whole car full and second you have to wait three hours to drop it off. Do you need a motion to have Peter to sign it? Yes, we should have a motion. Thank you.