 My advice to my friends in the patriotic front parties is that there should be no desperation. There should be no desperation. There is no need for any one of us to show desperation because we have a leadership and we have created a process for ourselves, a process through the constitution of the patriotic front party to be able to undertake that convention and elect a new leader. Before we do that, we are safe, we are still okay. Let's mobilize the party. Let's encourage our party members. Let's give credit for checks and balances to the UP&D. Alright, so now talking of mobilizing the party, do you feel in its current state that the PF is attractive as perhaps it were, let's say in 2020, as it were in 2011, in 2016, 2017, is the PF still attractive for new membership? Is the party still that vibrant party that it can still remain formidable even in the aftermath of the 2020 continental election? When I think the patriotic front party is more attractive now than it was in 2020. Why do you say so? I say so because now you don't see the things which annoyed many of the Zambian people in the PF. Now you don't see anyone accusing PF of political violence. You don't see that. Now you don't see anyone accusing PF of any of those things which were causing confusion. Some people were saying PF was arrogant. We have now seen arrogant leaders. We have seen leaders who can act outside of the law with impunity, circumventing the law. We have seen elections which can be done in a constituency with an outdated ballot paper. We have seen that. Even the arrogance of PF, the arrogance that people were putting to us is now so minute in the face of what is happening now. So clearly if you ask me and I'm being very honest with you as that is extending to our listeners, PF is more attractive now than it was in 2020. So do you feel the party will outlive the post 2020 election? The reason I ask this is that people are quite skeptical in the sense that there have been two examples, two former ruling parties. Do you need, where is it today, 30 years down the line, MMD with only 10 years since the party was power, a share of its former self. The party actually started crumbling at least two years after losing power, if not a year after losing power. How different is the PF from these two? How different is the pedodic front scenario for these two because there is always a saying that history tends to repeat itself. You have asked a very important person as far as I'm concerned and just yesterday I had an opportunity to meet one of the opposition presidents of one of the political parties. And when I visited her at their secretariat, I was privileged to meet a very experienced good man there who told me something that impacted me and I was so happy to meet that person. This person said I may not quote exactly what he said but he told me that Kaunda was not a dictator. But the people around KK made him a dictator. These are the people who began to craft songs such as Whamiaia. The reason was for them to maintain status quo, for them to continue benefiting from his position. If Kaunda wins elections again, they are happy, they will keep on benefiting from him. What followed in 1991 is that KK lost elections. Those are the same people who began to say KK was actually a dictator. They forgot that KK brought about the invest of Zambia. They forgot that KK was instrumental in the creation of UTH, in the creation of the Tuta Road, in the creation of all roads from Musaka to Provincial Capitals. They forgot that KK developed the country. So instead of promoting the legacy of UNIP, they began to verify KK. Now when you do that, you are heading to destruction. Was that similar to MMD? Of course, yes. Very similar to MMD. You must remember when the last president of the MMD ex-excellency, the late Rupi Yambu Zangbani, kwa he was grouped down upon by his own members, who now started to move camp into the newly elected party in two of us, the patriotic front party. So for us in the PF, we already know the agenda for UPND is to destroy the legacy of PF. So for us who are in the PF, let's ensure that this legacy is maintained by ourselves. And this is why I'm saying today, there is no need for desperation because President De Garungu is there and he must be respected. If UPND cannot respect him, we should respect him. We should draw from him. You understand? That's part of the reason I'm saying that. And I was educated just yesterday by a very good man, very experienced man. So by the way, his education was consistent with my belief because if you are going to pick three people who respect President De Garungu and one of them and there's nothing that can change me because President De Garungu has directed my work. So can you write to simply quote that your campaign is premised on the Edgar Lungu legacy? It is premised on the PF political ideology. Which is consistent with how Microsoft led PF and how President De Garungu led PF. Okay? Microsoft made mistakes. Ed Garungu made mistakes. Just like HH is making mistakes now. You understand? My focus is on the PF ideology. That is my focus. And this is where my campaign will be based. This is why today when I'm speaking about PF, I'll be talking about the consistency of our ideology with what we have done in the past. The legacy of the patriotic front party must be promoted by ourselves. That is respect for the party. That is respect for our leaders. That is also ensuring that we sustain this party because it has done so much for the Zambian people. That is not to say. So it is without mistakes? Do you subscribe to the cause for the need to have the party rebranded? Of course. And what's generally your take on this? Of course I subscribe to that and it's very important to rebrand. We have to remake who we are and we need to do so constitutionally. So how does the party rebranded when you keep on referring to the former president? You see rebranding doesn't mean taking away what you have. There is no way you can view rebranding by taking away what you have, the good things you have. You have to consolidate on the good attributes. Consolidate on the good attributes and eliminate bad attributes. Eliminate bad attributes, introduce new ideas, introduce a new system, introduce new legislative provisions even within your own party constitution. Introduce those provisions which are going to make you appear more credible, which are going to make you not only appear as a matter of fact act in a credible manner and be able to push an agenda that is beneficial not only to a small group of people but for the entire country. So if we are talking about the problems of this unity, what can we do differently in order to consolidate unity? Those are the things we should be talking about. When people are complaining about kaderizim, what can we do differently to ensure that that story is dead forever? You understand? These are the things. Who is possessing the qualities to be able to enhance our chances of ensuring that we carry forward the country into a direction that is sustainable for all the years. Those are the issues.