 Reverend Jackson, thank you so much for the opportunity to talk to you. I want to begin by looking at your historic run for office. When you laid claim to the Democratic nomination, how did that pave the way for Barack Obama presidency? It wouldn't be that presumptuous, but suffice it to say that at some point someone starts to run, just to run. And if I had not run, Lockhart would have set people up to disappoint them. So I ran. I learned what is a surrogate. I learned the campaign in an hour and a half and not just in the southern states. We were told you shouldn't go to Iowa hours to fight, only to get to the fight. You can't be valid if you don't take it all on. So by going to Iowa, we found that the family farmer, and we'd lost their farm to the corporate farmer. And the black units of the record lost their job, the corporations going abroad had more coming than they realized. That was an economic class issue. Class issue. So we began to hook up the family farmer and the unemployed urban worker. And our coalition was born, so we got double digits in Iowa. That was a big deal. We actually beat Gore and Gephardt in Iowa. That was a big deal. But I mean, the whites could hear our voices beyond limits of race. That's significant. You mentioned that because, you know, just around where the newspaper headlines. People to this day refer to that era as one of the watershed moments in American politics in democratic politics. Did you feel that you were on the threshold of a major change? And when you look back, do you feel it was a great move for you to have made that kind of a bold run and to really democratize the process? I didn't know how big the moment was in the moment because I was running as an organizer. And the political season of primaries, the candidates determined the agenda and the press. We couldn't get our civil rights issues raised. We were talking about urban policy and free mandala and gender equality. We couldn't be heard by running for the presidency. And so by 88, that was an appreciation of what we brought to the conversation. I remember one night we were told, Jesse, you know, tomorrow night we're going to, you've been in all these debates, but we're going to discuss foreign policy. So if you don't want to come, you don't have to because we know you're a foreign policyologist. We understand. I said, I'm anxious to be part of the foreign policy to come to the conversation. I said, what do you know about foreign policy? I said, we can't be on the foreign policy. Slavery was the foreign policy. I said, oops. One day I was in the gym with then Senator Barack Obama. He said, you know, I was in Columbia when we debate the heart in Mondale. I started to debate and I said, this can happen. And since that moment, he said, this can happen. And someone sees for the next generation was the ultimate mission. We didn't have the money to compete at the highest level of fundraising. Now we broke enough cultural walls, enough had not come down. But he said, I said, as a student said, this can happen. And I watched him walk across that stage that night as the winter and tears flowed down my face. It happened. Often you plant seeds that grow trees and whose shade you will never sit. I saw the seed be planted, grew a tree. And I sat under the shade watching the winter. That was a big deal. Bernie Sanders made it clear on the campaign trail to let us know, Senator Bernie Sanders, that he supported your run in the 80s for president. And he built lightly his populism on your campaign of the 84 and 88 in challenging the study score and so forth. He brought a lot of people around this movement, the Sanders movement, around democratic politics. What happens to that movement now moving forward as they demand political accountability? Those who in that movement must belong business runners. If they let their inspiration evaporate, a trend in the vapor now, it was just a fad. They must not allow themselves not to vote feverishly to fulfill the mission and 84 when I ran, there was something called one to take all. To become a delegate, you had to get 35% of the vote, which is exceptional high. We reduced it down to 15. And we moved from one to take all to proportionality. That means you get 50% and I get 49% so close races. You're still under one big tent. We call it a Jackson rule then. Well, I don't want to be that presumptuous, but it helped. You get your share. Thank you, Reverend. Right, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, founder and president of the Rainbow Push Coalition, America's premier civil rights leader, and Ben Kalle Thompson.