 What it says I can't by the way did all of my Clue didn't even come or not Maybe mine got cut off yours definitely didn't Yeah, I didn't what it did show yours did not get cut off. Okay. I'm trying to figure out. I'm like, how is it? OBS I'm confused that I think Let me just double-check that this is actually working I Realize even if I didn't get my closing at this point in time Somehow streaming and then have you done as long a debate as this before? No, all right, thanks for your patience and Here we go Daniel the floor Boy, don't start the time because I have to share my screen Are we good? Yep, we're ready the floor is all yours Going to share You see ready, okay, so To recap the basic argument here Javad came into this debate expecting that I was going to make like this huge defense of hadid and You can see from all of his arguments. He's referring to the tradition like he's engaging in all this kind of criticism of Hadith and the traditional scholarly hadith sciences But he miscalculated because that wasn't my argument So his whole debate was like a misfire and he ignored the actual arguments that I made in this debate And here is the structure, you know this the debate was about these topics at the top gender roles patriarchy restrictions on sex restrictions on non-muslims Conquest slavery concubinage it's kind of cringe for Javad to go back and say oh no But I didn't really agree to the things that I agreed with like that is really looking bad on your part because you're Conceding that you could not actually debate the topic that we agreed to And the topics that we told James to moderate in a debate So look this is like the whole core of my argument This is the core of the debate and it shows Javad's failure You have the traditional Islamic doctrines. There is Quran and there is Hadith. Yeah, of course Those are valid important sources Those are critical sources for that support the traditional Islamic doctrines and Javad says I didn't cite Quran I cited plenty of Quran and the Quran the Quranic verses that I cited. They're so obvious that I have to give an hour long You know this kind of acrobatics goofy gymnastics to explain how they really are in line with liberalism No, I just cited them and that was enough Javad thinks or claims that he is making a Quranic argument But he's not because he constantly is talking about how well if the Quran says something that I don't agree with like imposing the jizya Or or lashing the Zani Then we have to refer to higher ethical principles like that says get out of jail free card And it shows that he has no concern for the actual words of the Quran despite all of the lip service But again going back to this chart you have the traditional Islamic doctrines I supported them with all of these other Evidences and these are academic evidences that any other academic you can bring any academic like bring Michael Penn bring Robert Hoylan bring Juan Cole, you know bring Mustafa Akil the guy who dodged me and he you know blocked me on Twitter He won't agree to a debate bring any of these guys and I'll cite the same academic sources the same historical sources and all of those sources Support the traditional narrative the traditional Islamic doctrines and this argument was completely Ignored by Javad and his cope for that is to say oh, I'm Quranic centric, so I'm not going to actually address any historical Evidence or by a lot biological evidence or all of these reports from non-Muslims. So this is such a cope It's so cringe as we're talking about and it also makes no sense if you claim to be a historian or a critical academic then these are the kinds of evidences that you should be concerned with And I can understand why Javad wanted to avoid them because if you go actually to these sources this historical evidence It proves that the traditional Doctrines the traditional Islamic doctrines on all five of these topics is In line with what the Quran endorses and with what the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam endorsed and that's the entire Topic of the debate So I'm very happy, you know that Javad made such a big blunder In miss or misanticipating what my argument was going to be Now let me get another chart actually Yeah, so this was his whole approach he wanted to Dismiss the hadith his whole presentation was about attacking the hadith. It's inauthentic because of H Historical critical method whatever and then engage in this radical subjective reinterpretation He didn't give us any principles to interpret the Quran He didn't acknowledge that while the Quran has to be rooted in actual history or the actual views beliefs and norms of the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam He didn't acknowledge that point. He didn't address that point So this shows that all of the verses of the Quran he cited so what like anyone can cite anything Anyone can say anything about anything like I said we can have someone who comes and interprets mine comf and says that Oh, this is a love letter to the Jews. We would laugh such a person Out of the building and this is exactly what Javad has been engaging with or engage in this entire debate So, let me stop sharing now so So the rest of the points I want to make is that okay Javad was gish galloping the entire debate He did not address the debate topics the debate was not about justifications for slavery or concubinage or conquest I've covered that in other debates But even then we got into some of those issues and Javad still can answer a lot of the points I made like about marrying Marrying female slaves marrying female slaves. Okay, where's the meaningful consent there Javad like your Feminist academic someone like Kisha Ali that you cited would still consider that to be rape because there's no meaningful consent you you know very Conveniently avoided that issue why because you know that you can't address it because your liberalism would mean that the Quran is Endorsing rape when I would be a lot. So this is this is your inconsistency Also, your your portrayal of Islam is a pure denigration of all Muslim societies You're like the worst Islamophobe because you're portraying all of traditional Muslim society the vast majority 99% of Muslim history are Muslims like me who believed. Yeah, there's no problem with conquest We're proud of what the early Muslims did. We're proud of all the hulafa. We're proud of that tradition We're proud of the hadith you're portraying them as pedarasts. You're portraying them as racists Rapists like you're portraying them as misogynist and in this most vile way So this is pure hate pure racism pure colonialism You're really showing that you or you really show that you are this kind of fed and we'll talk about that in tomorrow's Debate inshallah, so you kept appealing to rational speculation But you gave no principles for what is reason? What are these higher ethics? You didn't lay that out at all. You appeal to rationalists But again, there was no the rationalists all agree with the traditionalists on these five issues So what's your point? You said that well rationalists will not We'll say that well the worship of God. That's something immutable. We cannot Interpret those things away as being relics of the past. Well, many modernists disagree with you on that There are perennialists who disagree that you have to pray in this way You have to worship God in this way with five prayers. You have to fast in Ramadan There are many modernists who claim to be just as rational as you Javad They don't accept this principle of oh the worship that that's something that we don't change And also you didn't give any kind of principle to justify why we can't You know, not no longer practice fasting in Ramadan. Why should we pray the five prayers? Why can't we get rid of these fornication rules the prohibition of fornication? Why can't we get rid of the prohibition on of ribba? We're living in different times in a different context Why can't we just abrogate or not abrogate but reform all of those rules and say those are relics of the past We're in different times. You didn't give a principle to distinguish from that. This is exactly my point your methodology this liberal reformism will lead to the entire destruction of Islam and the Quran and this is why you are a You know a more tad colonialist as I've explained multiple times. You're this is what your project is It's a it's a cultural genocide. It's a religious genocide of Islam and People need to recognize that about your project about the project of this Islamic studies Western academia This is what they're engaged in and Muslims are it's gonna be a very easy time Insha'Allah to show how ridiculous this kind of project is and how baseless how Without principle just as I've been able to do. Alhamdulillah in this debate So, you know no coherent principles no consistency You say you're a Quran centric But then when your corner you say oh, but the Quran we can put that aside without for certain things are just for that Time and we're in a different time your get out of jail free card. This is very Inconsistent it's post-hoc. It's not rational at all. It's the opposite of rationalism actually You don't own just like you don't own academia and the historical critical method like you just butchered the entire Name of the historical critical method in this debate. You don't own rationalism. Nothing that you said was rational It was all a jumbled mess gobbledygok No one followed anything that you were saying So how much time James? We check here 59 seconds Yeah, so I also want to note that Javad not once I'm pretty sure not once in this debate Did he say sallallahu alaihi wa sallam for the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam not once I don't remember him saying that at all He's just referring to the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam as a senator and like with absolute disrespect You know, this is really disgusting and it shows the kind of person that javad is he's a more that he's someone who believes in evolution So he rejects explicit things in the Quran. He said he believes in human evolution. So he doesn't believe in any of these Accounts in the Quran of the prophets of Ibrahim of Isa of Jesus, you know He doesn't believe in any of these kinds of accounts because he is a liberal modernist He thinks these are all just metaphors. This is why he's a morta. This is not something that or a zindia This is not something that I just made up It's based on his deviance and heresy that we call him a ex-muslim Want to say thank you very much for tuning in tonight folks We are going to have the second debate tomorrow night if seven hours wasn't enough for you Don't worry. There's more tomorrow Tomorrow these men collide want to encourage you check out their links in the description folks Thanks for letting me know in the live chat in your polite feedback on the fact that that closing by you Daniel We did have it captured via stream The only problem is for some reason the the video wasn't up updating but I can fix that later I'm just gonna basically pull it from your channel and then put it in a little upload from my channel So long story short want to say thank you very much folks for tuning in Any last words if we let you go for the night gentlemen No, I we said everything six six hours an hour. Perfect. Yeah, that's pretty long. Well, thank you very much. Thank you, Daniel Thank you James forgive me if I stepped out of line anywhere Everyone was good and same with me forgive me if I've stepped out of line. So for real Thank you guys. It's been a great time to have you We'll let you guys go to sleep and we'll see you tomorrow folks tomorrow at 8 p.m. Eastern these two gentlemen collide one more time. So Folks, thanks so much for all your support Please do subscribe if you haven't as we have many more upcoming debates including tomorrow night and we'll see you then Yeah So are we no longer live now? No, we're I'm still string you stop now. We're on my side. Have you stopped the stream on your side, Daniel? You don't have to if you don't want to but no, I just wanted to make sure confirming that it's Stopped so just give me one second. Yeah But yeah, thank you guys always fun. I just want to make sure that it's Me too Think I'll let you guys go to sleep now. Yeah, it's 2 a.m. For me. What why are you guys yawning? Well, I wanted to say that was great and Say a word of positive feedback to you, which is that I didn't want it to be streamed or anything like that I did listen to you wait wait wait wait wait. Oh now we're not live now. We're not streaming I got you I wanted it to be not because it's for the live stream or anything like that But I did listen to you early on in your career And I did think that you had some interesting thoughts and followed you from then and that was not just a I hate You kind of following but like that I was actually interested in some things that you were saying Just wanted to compliment you from that standpoint the second thing I wanted to say is are we and if you guys absolutely want to do it. I'm in that's fine I don't want to excuse make or anything like that. I do have a sick child unfortunately Not major sick just fever that kind of thing