 When CPR was being performed on Phil, I think I was just in total shock, never seen anything happen like before, there had been no pain, it was just completely out of the blue and I just sat there looking at him thinking he's got to live, he's got to live. We go back to the opening ceremony of the Rugby World Cup in 2015, we left and made our way across to the bus to take us back to the park and ride. We got on the bus and that's the last I knew about it. It was probably about a month afterwards that I actually did the course. It was quite enlightening really that you can make such a difference by just doing something relatively simple and the trainer that taught us, there's a group of us, said you can't kill a dead person, always give CPR a go because if you don't then there's got no chance at all. I mean the early CPR on both occasions made a world of difference. When I spoke to the consultant after the first occasion he said to me that had the doctor and his wife not performed CPR they had grave fears that I would have suffered some element of brain injury. Obviously having benefited on two occasions I'm fully supportive of anything which encourages people at all levels from schools upwards to learn CPR because you just do not know where you will be at any point in time where it can make a difference to somebody's life. The more people that know how to perform CPR and can give it a go, however scared they might be you've got the chance of saving somebody's life and in Phil's case people have saved it twice.