 Hello Fian, thank you so much for keeping us company. This is why in the morning, a very good Monday morning to you, my name is Déleva Hillary and in this particular segment, we are looking at the, we are having a focus on the ministry of agriculture where Peter Monyasies has been posted from industrialization and is coming into a time where Kenya is now steering to a food crisis following the lockers that have just invaded recently We have been seeing other cases in regards to farmers being not paid and so much has been happening in the Ministry of Interior. Joining me on set is a political analyst, Sailor Ritzua and Aguda Walter. He is a resident analyst. You want to see, you want to understand where we are as a nation and looking into the new docket that this year's muña has been given. What will he do different that is keep it Y-254 sending all your comments or questions to all our social media platforms that Y-254 channel my hand is at Mouraini Hillary. Welcome to the program. Good morning gentlemen. Morning sir. It's a pleasure having you here. Now we had the president, Risha, for the cabinet and now we have CSP Tamunya coming into the Minister of Agriculture. If we could look back a little bit, this ministry has been plagued with a lot, a lot, a lot of issues beginning from contraband goods like the sugar. You remember we had the mercury in the sugar. We had issues with the farmers not being paid. We had these farmers to our next and to where the country was in hunger and we imported maize from Mexico. And now we're having a lockast and this is an issue. Most of the critics or analysts are saying we are staring at a food crisis. This is something that has been happening every first quarter of the year. I keep on saying that because we see people dying because of hunger. Now this man has come to this office. What will he do differently? And before you respond to that, how do you judge him coming to this space? Thank you for having me this morning. My views on Tamunya, I still see him as incompetent. Why? He has been on the Minister of Industrialization. First of all he was given the Minister of African Community. Then he went to the Minister of Industrialization. Where we expect the Minister of Industrialization need to nurture new talents. Graduands from the university and other people who are also innovators in the Minister of Industrialization to create job opportunities in the country. But apparently something that he didn't do, something that he was just there like a puppet. Something that he was just there to...just to... because he was a governor. Now after he failed to clean the governor position where he was defeated by Murungi. Then he was rewarded by that just to keep him busy and not to attack Kiritu in the county. Now where he has been brought now, that is the backbone of the country. Agriculture, we have done it from days back as the backbone of the country. I don't see him doing much because one, these people are the Cabinet Ministers and they work together. And I believe if I have an idea and we are meeting, you see Matiangi was first of all brought in as the charge of the meetings in the Cabinet. So far I believe if these people were working together to ensure the big four agendas are realized, I believe if I'm working with my friend in the same environment pushing for a political agenda like the big four agenda for the President, if he has an idea that he believes can make me on my ministry achiever, then he can bring the idea to me, then we sit down and talk. But because of political ambitions and political things of 2022, we see there's no service delivery to the country. And let me tell you this, come 2022, who will not have achieved his big four agenda. Because right now we are focusing much on the BBI. We want to see the BBI sail through no matter what. And that's why there are funds set aside for the BBI. We have a committee set aside to ensure that the BBI goes and takes charge. So it was a wrong decision to have Munya come into the Ministry of Agriculture. All right, we will get that. It is a wrong decision because he is incompetent. And those are my reservations and my observations. I stand to be challenged on and questioned over them. Okay, Walter, was the decision to have Munya come to the Ministry of Agriculture sound? I think it is contrary to what my brother thinks because it looks agricultural more than industrialized. I want to explain this that when the 2010 constitution was promulgated, there was that notion that the CSS would be technocrats. We had to have studied what they have been appointed to do. And that is why we had Honorabhumu Sheru in it because Honorabhumu Sheru is technologically savvy. He is good as a 90 person. So he was appointed to head that ministry because he had the competence. They tried at first like putting the people who have studied, who are the experts of that field in every ministry. It took political twist when you were politically correct. Okay, when you felt that if you are picked, then you will balance some political equations, then you put there. And as my brother says, that's why Munya was given the Ministry of Industrialization, East Africa and whatever. But I've never heard anything historical about Honorabhumu Munya on industrialization. I don't know how many industries he created. Or I don't know how many jobs he created while he was a governor. So I had a problem with that. I had a problem with that. Now that is, even the agricultural docket, and for that matter that we are still doing very traditional agriculture in this country, and it looks like you can do traditional agriculture, I think it's a bit understandable. It's not good, but a bit understandable. That maybe can handle that more than where is, because he has to be somewhere to be politically relevant or to balance that political equation. The next thing is that we have seen him swing into action. He has sprayed you. So the other day he's spraying locusts using helicopter. Yes, and he said he has fixed it. He said that he has fixed it. He was talking about the swarms. It's like he had studied the locusts and there were swarms of locusts everywhere. And now he had spotted those swarms and he was dealing with them diligently one by one. And I saw him on TV saying that it was okay, he had done it, it was okay for him. So the fact that the other guy was telling us to take photos and post a swarm into action and we saw him in the field doing it and the complaints have gone down. So if we can fix some of these problems, then let's have him. You want to… Yes, I want to turn into what he has talked about. Munya was a governor, Mero. And being a governor, he had also dockets. The CECs. And I believe agriculture was part of it in Mero. So when we sit down and try to analyze what he has done productively for Mero while he was a governor, agriculturally, I can tell you it's null. It is during his tenure as a governor that a mira was banned from being imported to other countries. And there was so many issues on that thing during his time. So when you tell me he's going to fix it, I don't understand how. First of all, Munya is a lawyer. He's a lawyer from the University of Nairobi. Then he got his masters from, I think, outside. So his profession is a lawyer. So when he comes to agriculture, I will start by looking at from Mero what did he do. We saw and I've mentioned it. Mira was banned from being imported. So there was a negotiation, even there was a war between the president and the Mero county at that time. So on service delivery, and as I said earlier, he has just been placed there politically because one, Kewinjuri seems, as it is said, to be the deepest point man in those areas. So he was being seen like a man who is coming up to create himself to inherit also Huru in those areas. And also when you talk of Huru's legacy and always look at the big four agendas, and I say by 2022 he will not have achieved any because he talks of housing. He talks of food security. He talks of health. And he talks of industrialization. And when you look at this, let us start where Munya was industrialization. What has he done? Recently we had students from graduands from the universities and I can say it's almost 20,000 graduands from the universities that we have in the entire 47 counties. There is no industrialization that has been created. There is no employment that has been created so that we can have revenue collection from the employed sector. There are not even, you can say, interim job opportunities that he has created in the industrialization ministry. None. When we look at the paper, we talk of Karlo, the Kenya Agriculture Research and Lifestock and Research Organization. They came up with this issue. They highlighted about the inversion of low costs. What does it tell us? We don't take the research seriously. These are institutions. They are funded. They are funded for research. But when such reports come out and the government overlooks it, it seems there is some lack of seriousness in the ministries. In these few days that he has been appointed, we have seen some levels of trying to intervene. I remember, the one who was left, Kenjuri, had already negotiated and there was a budget I think from the European which was around 250 million that was meant to spray and he had people in place to have measures in place to implement it. So he had come to implement what was started. It is not that he was the one who had a budget. I remember even Naniweni was issuing a press statement on that. There was a budget of 250 million, I believe, and I stand to be corrected on that. There was a budget that was allocated from the European Union that was going to help in the spraying of the union. And the mechanism that was put in place. Those are some of the things that he has come and started with that. So it is not something that he started. I want us to move to the next thing. We've had issues with farmers not being paid, especially tea farmers and coffee farmers as well as maize farmers. We've had issues with the NCPB. And I remember actually we'll be listening into what the president was saying during the Nairobi ASK show when he was reprimanding the CSU Naniweni left Kiyunyuri because of farmers not being paid. Muna has come into a time where now farmers there's little farm inputs with talking of fertilizers with had issues with fertilizers. So what do you think this man will be doing in the next very actually we speak of 100 days in office? The president was always furious with the former minister, the former CSU Kiyunyuri about the payments of the farmers. Where presidents come from central people majorly depend on agriculture unlike where come from where we fish and dig gold and all that. So people depend on agriculture. People are failing you so I saw a video, this dubbing video of farmers parading their milks and then kicking them that they don't have market, they don't have anywhere to sell them. There are people crying of like their teeth are going to waste, coffee, whatever because they are not being paid. Apart from this low cost and social media thing I think the president was feeling that where he comes from from the back yard they are not getting the service that they should get because the guy in charge of that minister is not delivering as he should. And you know in that address apart from doing the resurfling replacing Kiyunyuri with Muna he gave some incentives he instructed the treasury to be releasing some funds to go pay farmers. So the coming in of Muna is not only coming in with the change of ministry but is changed and given funds meaning he has no option but to deliver. Even if he is a lawyer he has no option, he has to deliver because he has money he has some starting as my friend says where Kiyunyuri has started so having money and having like a head start and working on a ministry that is at the heart of president so there is no option that people will be paid because money is there and already it has started like there is money which was given to KCC, the new KCC so milk will be getting market there there is money which has there is bonus which is going to be given people growing tea and all that so things are going to be good Usairas, how do you think this man will perform in regards to farmers because these are the people who cry most what strategies do you think he will be bringing on board because I don't know you saying is a failure but how do you think he will go around this thing? For him to go around these things first of all is to work with key institutions like the research institutions the agricultural research institutions to understand the flight of farmers we have an issue of the sugar in the western region when I talk of western region I talk including Nyangza the sugar belts region we have Mouroni we have Muwani we have Mumias we have other sugar companies in those areas the sugar reports the sugar committee has not been acted up to now the report that was submitted we just hear I heard recently when the governor of Kakamaega was speaking in the BBI Saturday saying the president will be coming and the minister of agriculture to so that they can work on the report how are they going to work on the report so what we need to see right now are actions remember the senate held sitting in Eldor the other time and you saw how furious the farmers were farmers asking who is this cattle name the cattle so that you can deal with the cattle farmers having maize farmers cannot supply their maize to NCPB there are cups that were placed on the farmers that you only need supply 2 or 1 bag of maize you see when you frustrate these people and this is where they get their daily income where the government needs to collect the revenue from them then are we creating our country economic was or we are destroying our country now things the minister needs to look into he first needs to look into the falls that were mentioned earlier since 2013 the farmer didn't start crying yesterday they started crying since let me say when the maize thing started coming from those time the Nusumkata government there was an issue of maize didn't start today started long time ago the issue of the sugar companies didn't start today the issue of tea didn't start today so for us for the ministry to work on these issues it has now to go back and sit and revisit all these issues that were raised by the farmers then he will work in the best way and things he can come up with other new directives the way I saw he came up and said the milk farmer the milk will now be increased from 25 to 30 fishings fine how is it there is one what we say you say but now there is what you call implementation how will it be implemented because now how many dairy factories do we have that are government we have only KCC that is government the rest are personal entities and we know so these are some of the things that we need to see we need to see KCC being into the 47 counties not only in Nairobi we need to see KCC being in the 47 counties so that we can say our agricultural sector is growing so he has to work with the industrialization ministry and the devolution ministry to see that how is he going to achieve the spread of KCC in all these areas how are we going to revive these mumias how are we going to revive these other institutions the agricultural institutions are in the country so these are some of the things that we need to look into by the way Hilary the only factory in my county is called Sonishuga it's growing it's on its knees dying now because of management and all that stuff so I would like to tell the news yes I know it's watching that it should think beyond Mount Kedah should think beyond Central where there are outcries there are outcries everywhere agriculturally and I think the fact that these people can be changed is like agriculture I really recommend that one person should not serve there for more than one year because you serve and then cartels get hold of you exactly what they want and then for the last three years there have been three CACs in the ministry of agriculture there should even be more because cartels are everywhere my younger brother was telling me I would like to be a cartel because it's only cartels because it thinks only cartels are the people who make it who are not disturbed by the people who can make money the way they want so for us to deal with cartel I would ask the president let's have new people in fact very charismatic people who can handle Mr. Fixit of this one to handle these things before I let you on that point we've had problems with maize and this maize has cost us to have fluctuating prices on maize flam what we do to ensure that the unga now goes down in terms of prices and then we have saplers the problem is that besides all these agricultural problems we also have problems with the economy so it's not one thing you remember just recently we had issues with aflatoxin and some of the companies were shut down and then they were later as if now those guys were saying it's like saying that we were wrong there's no aflatoxin now it's like it's it's corruption it's everything it makes a cocktail of problems for Kenya that needs a real good Mr. Fixit like I don't know whether you see Matiangi Matiangi is good if he can be like be rotating in the ministries he serves in the interior for one year he comes and serves in agriculture for one year I think he can fix he can also fix this thing because he has really been trying but but you see when he does that there will be no consistency when he lives things will change he needs to be like a prefect of all CSS so he should fix it from there because yes ok we are not talking about him but if he was the prefect why has the minister of agriculture failed? because of politics you see the tangatanga has GQNU belonging to tangatanga and then he belonging to I don't want to put him in Kielawake but we know we can figure with our mind is subscribing to and all that so when somebody somebody gets orders from another quarters I wish we could be separating politics from development politics from development like politics be politics and then development projects be development projects so that we have the competent people in these ministries we have gone wrong is when we we believed in the new constitution the 2010 competition whereby we saw it was fit for a technocrat to be a minister or a CSS but later along the way they have become more political than technocrats because you see doktamatanga before he was executing his duties very well because he was a serious technocrat but right now he has is now engaging in politics and I can say partly succession politics so his interest his focus much will be on the politics at the moment and not on the technocrat on the technocrat thing of fixing and getting things done they are supposed to be done because since he was given the mandate to be in charge of the ministries if not since service delivery so far because we believe as you mentioned it why is it that he cannot fix because now he is the prefect of the ministers he has to get the record straight for every minister he needs to whip the ministers into order he needs to summon them and even suspend them or recommend suspension because this is a prefect and when you are a prefect you have some powers that you can do a recommendation of suspension or a recommendation of disciplinary action to a minister service delivery so when we come to food security we are going to have a big problem because one even the Galana Kulalu thing where we believe it will also add to the food security of this country whatever was done there is a sure thing money has been wasted money has been has been misappropriated in those areas in that sector now we need to question ourselves we need to have Galana Kulalu how are we going to make it work how are we going to make a realization from this Galana Kulalu so that we can have a food security in the country now when we talk of what we call fertilizer the fertilizers were reduced down prices were reduced down for fertilizers now let us look at the companies that are supplying the fertilizers one, are they accessible to farmers okay are they in the 47 counties because when you are talking about fertilizer how many counties are relying on agriculture and how many counties need this fertilizer so how is the supply of this fertilizer to the farmer we have what we call also maize the seed and the seed for the beans now we need to look into all these things for us to have a good food security in the country we have what we call the changes in the rainfall the changes in the rainfall should not affect us Egypt is relying on Rivanail the source of Rivanail is Lake Victoria for its agriculture and we have not had food insecurity in Egypt why because they have managed their agriculture on irrigation in the best way possible so what we need to do is this rainfall that is going to west even right now in Nairobi has no water because we have poor management of resources that we have the rain water can be tapped concrete dams but whatever we see is allocation of funds that are going to be misappropriated or going to someone's pocket these are some of the things that we need to mitigate and ensure that are not in place and I believe our Ebo ministers always get insights and communication from what people air out so they need to be on toes and make things happen because we are all suffering as a country economic wise and also the poor state of the country Walther you remember in 2016 there was a project that was coming up that was the northern collector tunnel following next was the project about the dams agriculture will work together with the minister of devolution the treasury and water and sanitation I remember in 2017 or 2018 the CS10 for water and sanitation said they are working on the Galana Kulao like said as has mentioned but those projects have stalled as we speak we have several dams that have stalled in the rifti valley these are the dams and farmers in those regions how do you expect the new CS for agriculture to work together with other ministries to ensure we have achieved at least two dams within two years you said work together with other ministries and for Kenyans but it's always opposite every project started in Kenya kutels look you have something with kutels it looks it as kutels how we lie what we lie it here that's where every dam is here there is a scandal like now the former the treasurer is here he saw it because of kimware and the roar dams so everything they look at the kutels look at cash cows like this you start a project like Galana was a very good idea it was the idea of a communist country farming the farmer at Galana was Kenya and if that project was well executed imagine Kenya farming to feed its people there would be no need of us suffering I think we would be buying now but now it didn't work because somebody wanted to make money billions out of it and he succeeded because why would a project fail when they are not depending on rain because what irrigation has been done they cannot fail because there was fertilizer supplied and there were maintenance a lot of cash was pumped in that project why would it fail why would it not give return on investment because somebody was like if you were to supply say a thousand bags of fertilizer somebody says just supply a hundred others bring let us manage and they manage it so if there were programs it was sincere that the program would work as it is I think we would be having if it succeeded we would be having like over 50 of such farms all over Kenya and it would be good we would be selling surplus to countries like Egypt would depend on like Victoria and now this case you see sometimes Egypt even supporters you know it's very ridiculous it's like now it's like now let me say who are billionaires of Kenya instead of them giving us cash it is us giving them like no water from like Victoria comes from from the rivers within Kenya the water that supply like Victoria are now the rivers like river Kuja river Ayala the rivers that are in Kenya they are the rivers that support Victoria and then that water comes from Victoria and goes to Egypt so it's like we supply Egypt with water and then the products of water it's them now supplying us with those projects and we have those waters so it's like the lana was a perfect project but because there are people who want to not eat because it's more than what they can eat if they eat all day in Skwanda they can die of obesity I don't know how I put it it's not it's not eating it's wasting when somebody eats too much there comes constipation and when constipation starts everybody in the room cannot be comfortable because there will be bad air around so it is now this bad air that we are suffering from that we call corruption thank you this reminds me of one time presidential candidate Abdubadida you should not eat so much if you need to leave some space for air anyway I have to mention about it because it was a project that was to collect all the running waters we've been experiencing rain for that have seen lost of property and lives and these are the waters that want to be collected to have a sort of a dam but now the people of those regions were told then that the area will be turned into desert and we saw what happened next we had Nairobi without water we had other parts of the country people dying because of hunger now how then do we have my question I feel is not still answered how then will this new see us work with other people what is one new thing you will have to do that other people have not been doing thank you and that's why I have persistently mentioned the see is what he needs to do right now to make it work he needs to go now to look at those mistakes now from the policies that were put in place what raised eyebrows now how can we mitigate on this they are not they are doing from Muranga it was first of all politicized when we talked of water coming from Muranga to Nairobi to feed the people of Nairobi then it was a wrong idea but if it was meant for agriculture then it was the best idea so these are some of the things that I am suggesting the minister should look into such a projects then look at this is where the eyebrow was raised now because there is a good relationship between the the minority and the majority in parliament and the minority are the ones who raised this concern they can work together and look into the problems that were being raised then and how can we solve these problems so that we can have a sample that is substantive to our people so this is how we can work on it and secondly the minister of agriculture should also look at what we call soil pH see at times we plant what is not good for that area so what we need also the minister of agriculture focus on is on matters to do with soil pH the laboratories should be up and running so that we have good advisories to our farmers that this is what we need to plant and not this because at times we plant maize and we are not supposed to plant maize maybe we are supposed to plant something else and for the sugar farmers in the sugar belt region what they should look at right now is what is the other cash crop that we can now invest in apart from the sugar because now the sugar factories have died looking at how much did the government pump into muhmias how much did the government pump into soil pumped a lot of money billions but what did they do nothing so we cannot continue wasting manis or billions on things that are not going to give us results so these are some of the things that the ministry should focus into the failures that were mentioned and make them success but it should not come up with new projects because new projects will be a cash cow for someone you mentioned of the people of the western region we have another cash crop and I'll tell you for a fact we have 2 cash crops that there is tea and there is coffee and both are not doing well then how come the other people from the other side decide we can have something else and then they cry of the same 2 things now what will become of us now that I come from western Kenya I can handle that do you know that smakuri thing in sugar that it was discovered that these factories they import sugar from other countries and repackage using their brands and sell meaning they cannot produce enough and the fact that they cannot produce enough means there is something because there is a vast land where come from this vast land you can stand here and look up to vast Kitangela there is nothing in it so it means the poor management of our factories of our agricultural sectors what is bringing up that so when you bring another cash crop it's like you are bringing another problem just as you are saying when you are bringing a new project you are creating another cash cow if you start saying that now you are going to create another project for another cash crop for the western people they will be interested they will be sitting somewhere saying what's that now let us to chore everything here and they will chore it they will get it so the problem is we fix what we have now after fixing it all will be okay now let me bring even the irrigation thing there is a mission, a Catholic mission in my area which is not so big it's as big as but those people they have never they don't have drilled water they have used water from their roofs they have never had water problem even if there is a one year full drought their water doesn't get over because they have some underground dams and you see what happens in Kenya when it comes to around December people cry oh flasflas too much water is too much it gets to around oh there is no water that is foolishness especially in 2021 you cry of too much in the next one month you cry of too less when you can harvest that imagine water killing people several people in December and two months later so many people dying because of drought there is no water see that it's foolishness now that you have brought in the issue of climate change we had the ministry of forestation and I have to bring in the issue of maw forest because this is one area also that has been medeviling the agricultural sector because we have farmers who rely fully on rains and this is one area that contribute mostly to our economy as far as agriculture is of concern now Lito Kiriako to Biko was undermined that he will ensure that the forest has been reserved for maw but every other country and I remember just last week the president in his statement he mentioned that as a country they have committed to the UN to ensure that Kenya has 10% of forest coverage how then how then are we going to see this more production because we have enough rains and we will not have this climatic change that keeps on changing and we can't even predict what will happen tomorrow actually it's generally experiencing rains and this is out of the norms what will farmers do in April because we used to plant in April are they planting now as these rains continue thank you on forest savations I believe Tobiko was focused on maw and he managed it in one of the other although there was some politics from one quarter it has to be politicized everything in this country I can say he tried with the support from the commissioner Natembea he did his best and for that he can say he managed it but now when we look at the forest in other areas look at Nyandarwa the forest within Nyandarwa Badea forest it is being encroached there is a mega forest which forms part of equatorial forest it goes along to Uganda it is being encroached in the Kenyan side so the Mount Elgon forest it is also being encroached so what we need to do as a country we need also now to put a focus on these other forest areas so how we are going to protect the areas now on the trees that were cut how we are going to ensure that we plant like 10 trees for one tree that was cut so that we can manage the forests in the country so that we can also manage the climate in the country because there are changes in the rainfall and it didn't start today started some way back some things that that we have not actually looked into so if we sit down and look into certain things and that is why I question the eligibility of ministries not working with institutions like universities on research because if we invest so much on research and get such then we shall manage these other things we are failing because we are not putting much effort on research we only just need to do things just because others are doing it he has mentioned something that is a Catholic mission in this area that has never lacked water we don't need to benchmark in UK or somewhere else just to get to know what these people are doing to sustain themselves we only need to identify a place like he has mentioned where he comes from then we sit with these guys and ask them how have you managed because I believe when I am going to do my thesis or my research for doctorate I need to go out of this country I will do research in this country before I go outside of the country I will do research in this country so that to support my research ok so we need to do a research based on our own country from other areas that are doing better how can we do better as a country as a whole see that is an area that is doing good in water, collection never lie never lax so what can we do as a country what can we emulate from them so these are some of the things that governments and ministries need to invest in the research institutions so that we can be at a better place because without research we shall just do we shall come up with ideas not well researched on then along the way they fail to have a way of coming and getting whatever they can get from that making it a cash cow now as we come to an end of this discussion what I want us to talk about the firm inputs most of it is being imported to our country and still now that you keep on mentioning of cartels my question is how will the CAs ensure that zero cartels and farmers will have inputs and have cheap inputs from inputs to be specific now we live in a country where everybody wants to be a tender plane people look for tenders in the most crooked way possible so I feel that if the government could like new venues yes could identify things like youth groups so that when power use groups of people with disabilities and all that to do the supplies things can be better instead of relying on people who are moneyed, who are cartels now there are people who are who have even recent positions yes because of cartelism so they continue exploring they continue exploiting people so that they get what they want I would ask that if the government could like come up with a strict solution that there are interest groups that these affirmative groups small groups like from the rural area not even from the major banavias that the people who get to supply these things so they come up like 10 of them they are given loan, they supply these things it would be better so that we wipe out the cartelism in this country because it's the thing that is derailing every thought by the government to clean the system the Christian cannot be clean because some people want to continue destabilizing it so that they get more and again we are too much on capitalist country, we are too much liberal the liberalism also is affecting us because I feel that the fact that we are living in a manitman society survival for the fittest they are the fittest to continue being fittest they are people who are not fit to continue be dying just the way they were bringing in the gala na kulalu thing they bring the communist thing so that is the human part of us even if we are fighting for resources and fighting to survive thank you a little before you respond to the same question I would like us to listen into two of the statements the president had about their farming the farmers being paid the misfarmers being paid and that was when he was reprimanding the then CS if we could have the clip please I do not a series of discussions between stakeholders today I have directed the cabinet secretary for agriculture to authorize the national and serials produce board through the strategic food reserve to immediately and in coordination with respective county governments open buying centers and stores to receive maize from farmers across the country the strategic food reserve has been authorized to purchase 2 million 90 kg bags of maize at a price of 2500 shillings per bag shillings billion in bili yaku lipa waku lima wetua maini lakini ke shoyake unaskiya hiyo pesa mukulima hadya lipa lakini unaskiya kuna mukulima atia me deliver kwa ncpb maindi a shillingi milioni miambili jameni ni ambieni ni nani mimi ni kona shamba nasiyon drogo ni ambieni ni nani mukulima anakuza kenyahi maindi a shillingi milioni miambili sini ukora jameni sini ukora butua na buka hapa kwa mupaka ana inge Uganda anata futa maindi labdiata hatafuti anakuja kumuaga kulima metua jasho wakini ana laa watua kwa suma sababi ya ukora ya wachachi kandipon ni sema waziri wakilimo buwana kiyonjuri tujue ya kwamba sasa mchezo umeisha tafuta hawa watu amba wana kula malia wengine utulete tufunge ama wewe mwenyewe wana kutika yoshi mama oh my imagine o gudu you have ten acres of land I have five but I'm producing more maize to the factory or the NCPB more than you who have a bigger truck of land but you know these guys have have farms in there no okay we will cultivate in the air and at the end of it supply that air and then they give a check of 200 million what happens to such scenarios you have like five acres of land fine you are a bits abo ten, three, five people have one acres two acres, three acres they have needs now this is what you call capitalism now the one who has five acres has planted maize he has done the harvest done his calculations and he is looking at maybe getting ten thousand bags but the farm he is calculating on cannot give him ten thousand bags so he looks at this other other farmers around with small farms that can make him get to ten thousand bags so he buys from them on a very little price and that's the problem and that's the problem I have he buys on them with a very little price then he does what you call hoarding after he does the hoarding he comes then and sells it he buys a bag at one thousand and then he comes and sells the bag at three thousand after holding yes now this is the problem that we have so how are we going to educate our farmers those ones who have small pieces of land so that they cannot be manipulated the ones who have big chunks of land then another issue we have the cycle of harvesting now let me mention of the western region we come from there we harvest maize in agast not from when you come down to Kamega they do when you go down to Bungoma they do harvesting with nane wa tisa when you go to Eldoret harvesting is always on October to November so you see knows the calendar of harvesting so he or she will run to this region purchase maize put on hoarding goes to this region time of harvesting it does the same goes round then this person has millions of bags and he has five acres of land so this is what I am saying that we need to educate our small farmers on how they can benefit themselves from the small things they get so that tomorrow they can double it because they are manipulated by the other people who my friend calls cartels so these are some of the cartels that we have within us who also work with other forces from somewhere I don't want to let you go because there is an issue I had raised I wanted you to respond to we have less than two minutes to finish on this what would be your idea into farm inputs being supplied to farmers and supplied to farmers cheaply thank you we need to have the data for the farmers then we have research done on what are the needs of the farmers the pH of the soil should be conducted from each region so when you have all these things then the farm inputs will be well distributed to farmers with regard to their needs but without all these mechanisms then we shall continue having poor harvests and outcries then we shall not achieve the food security thing and remember the food security issue is not only for president Uur but it is all for us so that it can sustain the country in the coming years for the coming generation so those are some of the things that we need to invest in research using the best institutions that we have in the country we don't need to get specialists from outside the country and yet we have good researchers in the country so it has invest in research research institutions then do carry out a survey on the number of farmers and what they plant and then the soil pH so that you can have good results and good distribution of farm inputs to our farmers or good enough my closing remark is that we should it's a time we move to use embrace technology in our family ilari come on it's too much time we should continue using the farming methods that were discovered during agrarian revolution time how many years from agrarian revolution thousands of years and we are still embracing them I think we should cry for maybe too much water because you cannot control nature but we should not cry at this time that there is not enough water to do farming when irrigation is there another methods of like now you know when you go to the local farmers they still carry hose to the shamba and do that this way that the government can use the modern technology to improve our agriculture it's time we move from agrarian evolution methods to modern methods so that we improve we get more yields and we create easy work for our farmers thank you thank you for coming and thank you for all your ideas I heard you say the man is not fit for the office he is a villain he is ok he can do it otherwise those are your opinions many things for keeping us company back home coming up next to be valented with man crush dealing with an empire do man part 2 if you listen to part 1 or if you didn't you will find it on youtube my name is Dereva Hillary thank you so much for being part of us good morning