 Since we don't have much time, I want to go ahead and get started. This is the Community Combos Camp Organizing Session. Let's organize, baby. Can you introduce yourself? Yeah. I got the slide. Hello. I'm going to use this microphone. My name is Colleen Clarkson, and I am the Drupal Camp Atlanta Project Lead. And what's going to be interesting are the titles. We went with Project Lead. I don't know why. I call myself a camp director sometimes, because it's funny. A camp director. I decided on a name for myself last night, but I forgot. We started running, previously MEDICER was the main driver of the Drupal Camp Atlanta, and in 2000, I believe it was 13, we decided to try to organize as the Atlanta Drupal Users Group. So we actually, I don't know how many camps are run by user groups, but we stepped up and we did it, and that's pretty much it. Hey, my name is Avi Schwab. I work for Palantir.net in Chicago. So I started on the organizing team for mid-camp. I don't have any title for myself. I think I called myself a founding co-organizer or also just like glue dude. I've held a bunch of different roles on the mid-camp team. Everything from co-organizing to doing tweets and all of that. Yeah, so I've been working on mid-camp since we started in 2014. That's what the slide says, yeah. And yeah, so mid-camp is around 250, between 200 and 250 folks, small team, kind of separate from our user group, but there's a lot of intermixing between our groups. And we're in Chicago, so it's a big city. There's a lot of differences there. So we're on the medium side, but we spend a lot of money. We spend a lot of money as well. My name is April Sides, and I am the camp organizer for Groupal Camp Asheville. I'm also a lead Drupal architect at Media Current. So Asheville was actually started by another person in Asheville who left the area, and I kind of took over that lead responsibility when he left. So it's been about four years that I've had some experience with this. And our camp size is less than 100, around 100. And we don't have a huge Drupal community in Asheville, so we're bringing everybody in to come and enjoy Asheville. So, yeah. So we just had a couple slides that we wanted to share with you guys. If you are organizing camps, if you're not aware, we do have a separate Drupal Camp Organizer Slack. This is the Heroku link, but if you need an invite, you can just see us after this, and we can make sure you have access. It's a great resource for, you know, I've run into this problem. What do I do? And you can get lots of other experiences and some advice. There's also this link is on Drupal.org slash Slack. There's a whole list of Slack teams that Drupal maintains. The really awesome thing that I've really enjoyed about that Slack is, no one really knows our pain. There were tons of karaoke last night, sweating it out too. People don't understand the pain that we go through. I mean, it's, you know, that's why I'm very critical of other conferences because it's like we are in the same boat. And it's been really great to, you know, finally meet everybody. You know, Kirsten came to our camp and meet Navi. Twice. Twice, damn it. That means I have to go to her camp. That's the other thing. Promoting at other camps. I mean, like you learn so many things too. So like I'm definitely going to step it up and go to other camps. But it's just a great place to kind of just vent. Sometimes you need someone to listen and everybody understands. Oh yeah, November 8th. Sorry, November 7th, November 8th, 2018. Yeah, this year's the first year I've been to a non Asheville camp and I learned a lot. Like just, but it's a really, it's an undertaking to do. I hated the travel and all that, but like I was really glad I went because I just see a completely different perspective on different decision making. See things that I liked. I went to Florida. So things that I like, things that I might not like. And we adopted some of the ideas that they were doing in Florida. Kirsten, we got to keep this on track. See, you need a Navi in your group. So we also have a Google doc for Drupal Camp organizers playbook and this is a quick link to it. We also have links in the Slack that are pinned in the channel and the general channel. So you don't have to write this down real quick. But once you're in, you'll have access to some of the stuff. This was started last year. Avi started it at the community summits and we just started collaborating. There were some calls later after the con to just sort of put together our different experiences on specific topics. It's kind of outlined with fundraising or marketing and there's just like, hey, we do postcards. Hey, we do stickers. Just some good advice in there, just in a document. It's a mess, but there are a lot of words. There's also a spreadsheet for when you are planning your dates to make sure that we don't overlap dates with another camp that might be nearby. And so the more people who are organizing camps that know about this document makes it a lot better for knowing what decisions you can make in the moment to know if you're going to overlap someone. I would say that that document is literally the most important thing that's been created because not only do you get to see the dates that are up and coming, you get to see the dates that were previous and you also get to see dates that people are planning. So Drupal Cal is cool, but it doesn't really help you plan. So if you take anything from today, take that spreadsheet because I don't want you booking your camp on my campaign. Is that by experience? Yes, it was by experience. I have experienced that as well. If somebody wants to write a decoupled Drupal 2.0 that just pulls directly from that spreadsheet, you know. It would be great. It's probably like a weekend project. The history is awesome too. Being able to see the history is really remarkable to see how long the camps can be going in the years previous. That's really sexy to me. Yeah, we're totally, we just have a couple slides. We want this to be totally interactive. But yeah, if you have a question, just come up to the mic. So I think I have not looked at that. Oh, thank you. Yes, in the camp, in the date, throw it out. All right, well, we just had our camp. I'm Amber Matz. I organized the Pacific Northwest Drupal Summit in Portland. It just happened. It was in the beginning of February. Something that would be interesting to include as a note on the camp dates is, like you said, the audience for your camp. Is it really like a very hyper-local or regional camp? Or is it like this kind of national slash international audience where it's primarily people from out of town? Something that I took into consideration when I picked the dates was, well, I know that Drupal Camp Florida tends to attract, it seems to attract a national audience, so I don't want to conflict with them. I knew they were in the same season, but I saw, you know, juggling venue availability too. I saw that Drupal Camp New Jersey was on the same weekend that I chose, but I chose not to care about that because the opposite coast, like, same as Florida is about as opposite as you can get, but because of what my perception was of the audience, I decided not to care about that because of the other options. And so maybe that might be a useful bit of information. It's just to say, like, who is your audience really local, regional, or are you bringing people from all over the place? So one thing I would like to comment on that, and I appreciate you with the honesty. We're competing for keynote speakers. We're competing for presenters. So, yeah, while a lot of people in Atlanta, obviously, or in the Southeast region, we get people from all over the country. So, I mean, I know there's not unlimited dates, but I would just be cautious of trying to assume anything as far as who... Yeah, and I think that's exactly my point. I mean, there's so many dates, right? I don't want to make assumptions that are just, like, completely unfounded. But I did. I just added that column to the spreadsheet. Because I'm never going to put, like, we're only focusing on... Even if there was only Atlanta, I would never even put that on there because, like, I want everyone to come to Atlanta. You know what I mean? Like, I want as many people from everywhere. And sometimes, I mean, maybe if you see a conflict, you can, if we're all getting more connected through Slack, you can just contact them and be like, you know, what are you thinking? Like, would you appeal if you're not familiar with their camp? I know that we had an overlap with Colorado one time. And even though we're not that geographically related, the people who wanted to go to the camp wanted to go to both of them. It just kind of appealed to the same audience. Asheville, Colorado. Yeah. But that, I mean, that does get to a good point. Yeah. Can you come up to the mic, please? I'm going to finish my thought. That gets to a good point that we kind of had in the mid-camp conversations, mid-camps in March, so we just finished up recently. You know, the question of what are we really doing with those camps? You know, we do mid-camp and we know that we do mid-camp, but we're not really sure why we do mid-camp sometimes, except for, like, we want to have a camp in Chicago. So the question of do we have a target audience? Do we, you know, do we try and segment things more regionally? Because a lot of people do travel around for these camps, but the word camps are much more intended to be regional events that are mostly, I think Andrea said, like, they try not to have to be, like, 80% local. So, you know, it's a totally valid question. Like, why does your camp exist? So... When you're talking about coordinating with other camps or just competing with them or something like that, it just struck me, is there much coordinating on speakers? Like, you could fly someone in from Europe if there are, say, three camps who want to have the speaker do the same presentation. No, there isn't. When you say speaker, do you mean, like, just presenters or keynotes? Because there's a difference for me. I don't know because I've never organized a camp. I'm just thinking, you're not just competing. You can be cooperating. You could be working with other people to say, let's get someone to do a talk on this and maybe they have to come from Germany or something, but if there's more than one camp doing it, that could become possible. That's interesting. I mean, at the end, the one thing that I sometimes... I'm a little bit against the grain when it talks about, like, community and stuff, like, what I'm trying to say is, for me and for Drupal Camp Atlanta, how we organize and how we look at it is like, we have a $30,000 contract with the hotel and we're on the hook for hotel room nights. So to me, it is a competition and it's a business entity. And if it doesn't succeed, financially fails, then the camp can be ruined forever. So while I appreciate the concept of collaboration, I do believe that there is a way to do that, but I would definitely not pick a speaker, a keynote. Like, hey, let's book the same keynote. I was like, no, man, because they might go to Florida instead if it's the same one. For me, it's about risk. And we're taking on a ton of risk. So that's just how I feel. I think you had an interesting point, though, is if we were able to collaborate and say, we want this person to do a keynote at our camps and we almost set up, like, we work together to set up sort of a tour and share in some expenses and things like that so that, you know, you're not having to fly that same person out from, you know, out of the country for multiple camps. We can, like, more collaboration. They can do different keynote presentations or whatever. But that was just an interesting point because if we're all on the Slack, we can all communicate. You know, it's really hard to know who is who. We don't get together, you know, all the time. So just being able to go on Slack and be like, hey, you organized this camp. You know, I'm thinking about doing something like this. Would you be interested in collaborating with me or something like that? It was a great way, great reason to stay connected. Yeah, I'll bring up one more challenge to that. Is that, you know, as we're... So Kevin Thull from Chicago, who is on the mid-camp, who's now the mid-camp organizer, has been working on recording sessions and he's got an amazing kit. Basically, any camp he goes to is completely recorded. He's amazing. We're going to work on abstracting the Kevin. We should have made a slide for Kevin. Just a Kevin slide. But, you know, with session recordings, the more we're recording, the question comes up, like, how do we negotiate generating new content versus providing people in different places the experience to meet those speakers face-to-face? So, you know, it's great to do the same talk three, four, half a dozen times, but what's the value add there? And if, you know, it's really, like I said, it's great to meet people face-to-face, but that has to be a balance with keeping the content fresh. Hi, I'm Dassio. So, Drupal Camp in Vienna and Drupal Mountain Camp in Switzerland. Hello. Yeah. Something that in Europe has happened is that we have specific camps around topics, like we have Drupal Developer Days, Front and United, and those camps they travel from region to region. And I was interested if you had, like, similar concepts in the U.S. Well, we tried that, and it didn't work. So, the original intent, Mid-Camp was originally the Midwest Regional Drupal Camp, and the ideal was to kind of unite all of these cities in the Midwest that are doing their own camps to try and kind of share the burden. So, we've got Twin Cities, there's St. Louis, there's some Ohio camps, there's Chicago, there's Drupal Corn, so trying to find some way to kind of unite all of those things. What we found is just it was really hard sharing, you know, in Chicago we have to plan an event a year out to get a venue at all. Whereas, you know, in St. Louis or, you know, somewhere else that it might be different, it might not. So, yeah, we found we needed a more consistent presence to be able to do it on a repeatable basis. The Canada camps do a rotating thing, and didn't the Pacific Northwest do that? But were you talking about focus, though, like focus camps, right? You were talking about focused ones, and there are a few, and they've stayed, so I feel like GovCon is one. There's time for Drupal's another one. So there are, all right, I'm just saying as far as focus camps, as far as focus camps, there are a few. There are a couple. But they don't rotate. Yeah, they're all in the same cities. That's something we're experimenting this year in Asheville as adding a Drupal Science Summit. So people who use science, or use Drupal to communicate science. So we figured maybe we can get a niche, and maybe we can reach a different audience and pull in some more people for camp. I mean, the other problem is the OS is big. And, you know, that's the balance, too, is that you can take a train across Europe in, like, a couple hours. Yeah, it's bigger than that. Anyway, can you introduce yourself? Did you have another slide before I talk? I didn't want you to miss out on the slides. I've already been, you know... Oh, this would be for later. Go ahead. Okay, so there was that question earlier about pollinating other speakers. And we've actually done that. So we brought out Zach Rosen from Pantheon back in 2014 or 2015. And then he keynoted PA Camp, which was that same weekend. In fact, I think we did a caravan, our event, up to PA Camp, which just keynoted last year. It was a pretty cool way of making it possible for PA Camp, which is a small camp, to have a larger name to come and speak at their camp because they don't get that. And because they're so regional, there was no way for us to be... We weren't really drawing from the same pot, as you were pointing out. I can't think of another similar area to you guys where you would be able to do that. I mean, maybe Asheville, and it was kind of closed, but not really. You guys don't have the same dates. I mean, it worked out for us because they were having it literally the very next weekend. And I think we might do something similar with decoupled days because I think they're literally the weekend before we go. So it might be possible to do the two. So we'll look into that. Thank you. I'm Jacob. I do PNWDS. So Amber mentioned that she's in Portland. And so one unique part about our conference is that we actually have Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver, BC. And there are three different organizing groups, but through, you know, we use Slack, and then we rotate every single year. And what, we've done this since 2009? Yeah, 2008. So it's almost 10 years. And it's been pretty successful. I think being able to have a few members rotate through, so I rotate through on the tech team through every single event. And just having a little bit of consistency between event has actually made it a lot easier to get the back-end stuff sort of working right, the sort of logistical thing so that, you know, each region can focus on things like, you know, getting your venue, getting your local sponsors, getting, you know, your local program. And then get, you know, help from other people in the other regions. It's also also given us a decent, you know, we have money to pay forward on every single event. So that's reduced our risk. The only other... Oh, yeah, it also helps avoid burnout, because... Yeah. Because Amber does a lot more work than I do. And so... Yeah, burnout's a real thing. She does all of it. She does a lot more work than I do. So, you know, she does a lot of work, you know, this year and she did a lot of work in 2014. And then I do, you know, a little bit of work every year. You know, it depends on how you like to work and, you know, how you want to contribute. But it's worked really well for us. The one other thing I would contribute to this is I think I like how the PNWDS has made sort of a... We have a mission statement, if you say it accurate, where we focus on being a summit for people with successful topics. And I think it's been nice to be able to give people sort of expectations about, okay, if I'm coming to PNWDS, I'm going to see, you know, topics about advanced Drupal things and that we're not going to be all over the board. That's certainly helpful for me. Yeah, it only sort of worked. But we try to do that. I would love to see more of that because I think having mission-based camps is really helpful for everyone. So, thanks guys. Thank you. Yeah. I think... Are we going to one? We have. Yeah, so... Okay. Unless somebody needs to eat lunch. Yeah, so just so everybody... Yeah. So, we're technically a time. There's nothing in this room. All right. Go ahead. All right, so the big question is, we just listened to the WordCamp community organizer talking about how WordCamp, whether it's to meetups and such, have been centralized. Is there interest in doing that for the Drupal community? That's a loaded question. That's a loaded question. Yeah, for folks who didn't come to the talk this morning, it has a completely centralized kind of management structure. Andrea's here. I'm going to hopefully not butcher all of her words. She said really good words. It's recorded. Listen to it afterwards if you didn't. They're really, really good words. Anyway, automatic, which is the commercial arm... It's like they're awkward. They have a staff of community programs, the WordCamps, and the meetups. They provide a lot of services in addition to their fiscal agency, which the DA does. They do websites. They do email addresses. They vet all the camps. They provide a lot of guidelines. It's a ton of infrastructure that they provide to the camps. In exchange, camps have to give up some autonomy. Camps aren't developing their own websites and they can't do crazy stuff with them. I think it's okay. Was your question, is there a plan to? No. That's the thing. Is there interest in doing that? I think that would be a question for the DA, I would say. I would love to see some sort of... If it was Drupal.Camps and each one got their own little URL attached to it and there was a website that listed all the camps. That would be wonderful, but I don't know if that's for us. I'm in the area of that. I'm working on the business leadership aspects for the Drupal community. What's happening is I'm realizing that I'm having to also get a bit involved in the organization of the camps in order to help advance the business leadership. We appreciate it. Here in an hour, I'm going into the business round table with the Drupal Association and it's like, I would like to start seeing us be a little more centralized. Yes, the answer is yes. We should all have free tables here too. We should all get free tables. Yes. When you say free tables, free vendor tables, we should have a DrupalCamp every con. We should have a table there to promote our camps. Absolutely. Any support would be greatly appreciated. In case you don't know me, my name is Michael Cannon of Accelerant. Reach out to me with what you want or not in driving centralization efforts of camps, cons, whatever. Pay to get cod built. Pay to get cod built and give us a table at every DrupalCon. And maybe pay for every keynote speaker. I think there's a lot of opportunities for us to grow this organization. With the Slack team, we've at least got all the camp organizers talking for the last couple years. I could see this going a similar route to the DDI initiative where it's a organized thing and has a little more official recognition. I would like some recognition as well somehow. That's the other thing. I think one thing that's interesting about the way that they do it is that they do get that high level sponsorship that does trickle down. You're reaching some of the bigger companies that you can't do as a camp. Some camps might, depending on where they're placed or whatever, but just having even that 20% of funding that comes from companies that are funding all the camps is pretty awesome. I would just love to pay for my keynote and get us the keynote. I'm good with that. Ooh! She said that they never pay speakers. Yeah. Yeah, we pay our speakers. We don't pay our speakers. We pay our keynote, I'm sorry. No travel, no nothing. Yeah, see, we're a little different that way. Yeah. Well, but that's exactly the point. All of our camps work a little bit differently, but, you know, part of Andrea's talk was this was a really, really hard process for the WordPress community to reconcile all of these different DIY groups. Who reimburses speakers? Do you? We pay travel. So a couple of camps pay travel. Yeah. We get speakers who have free tickets to mid-camp, but that's it. We consider it to be part of participating in the summit. It's a sharing of ideas and everyone is participating whether you're a speaker or an attendee and we even make speakers pay for tickets. Oh yeah. And some of this I think would be great to standardize so that we're not like, $500 to speak and you're only offering the $300. I think if we had some sort of standardization of, a keynote is worth this much or is worth travel or there's some sort of standard so that we're not competing. We're not competing, all right. Sorry, we've got a new question. Mine is a follow-on to Michael and I'm involved in the DD&I initiative and I want to bring that initiative to the camps. We need a way to tie in what we're doing centrally and get, flow that down to the camps. Do we have sponsorships? Do we have sessions? Do we have, you know, how does it affect our code of conduct? We need to bring all that down. We need that sooner rather than later. So I'd say that that would be a very early initiative if you're saying there's like a three-year process to do this. Yeah. Which I think you're right. Yes, we definitely want the, you know, we definitely want to bring the DD&I initiative into the camps and there's a lot to do in that regard. I think a speakers bureau would be like we've talked about that in the DD&I initiative thing. Having a speak, like a speakers type bureau would be wonderful. Like for keynotes and like, because it's, you know, you only know so many people. So it would be great if there was, you know, a speakers bureau like we were talking about for diversity, like a list of speakers that could help, you know, make your panels or your sessions more diverse. Yes, more inclusive. And, you know, Kirsten and I were talking about, how do we do this for GovCon this year? And we kind of went, it's huge. It's hard. How do we get our heads around it? And yet, you know, I'm thinking like, okay, maybe I need to be dedicated just to that in the camp and, you know, figure out how to you need to be able to share that. And a lot of that leadership has to come from the DD&I initiative. So we don't want to go off and do our own independent thing. We're working so hard in that group that there's no reason that that can't filter down to the camps. It's also a really good sounding board, you know, I had a form that I needed to identify gender identity because I need to match people for a roommate, you know, set up. And so I vetted it through Drupal Slack. That was me. Yeah, I was like, I don't want to ostracize people. I don't want to ask gender identity just arbitrarily, but I kind of need to know in order to do some matching and stuff like that. So I just wanted to be, you know, empathetic. I want to be inclusive. I want to be, you know, have diversity. And I don't want to ostracize anyone. So that was a great, you know, having some guidelines, even just for event planning from the diversity and inclusion group would be great. You know, like, how do we make sure, you know, how do we make sure we have diverse speakers without, you know, doing it in a weird way. Like, you know, just accepting someone because they're a woman or something like that. Like just some great guidelines that we can use as event planners to make sure that we're being inclusive. I had a panel last year and, you know, I've reached out to a bunch of people and they just weren't available. So I had a panel of three white guys, you know, and it was, I mean, it happened, you know. So, yeah, the speakers bureau thing is really, really important. Well, I did. I did. Yeah. I mean, like, so things happen, you know. And it was a contrib panel. So, you know, the panel was focused. And I was looking for people who are maintainers of contrib modules. So it was very difficult. All right. My one helpful tip, because I heard some camps do this. They just do it out of their own checking account. So my one helpful tip is to get an LLC and run it through a real company. Okay. Also set up like, you know, official, like we put our board members on the website. And I didn't want to run it through the Drupal Association. You know, we try to do this thing where they're like, oh, we can do it. Let me take a cut. No. We're not doing that, you know. So we have our own LLC. We're protected. And yeah, like, just back to the whole Drupals, if you're going back, like, we're not, we don't want to give you back any money. Like, I hope that that's yeah. So we're not we're not a revenue stream for the Drupal Con and the Drupal Association. So my camp's not. We're not going to get, because they attempted to do it a couple years ago. Like, what are you, are you serious? Like, so. Yeah. That's okay. It is, it is a big contention. The return on investment, how do we continue to prove a return on investment for sponsorships? Well, I mean, that's, that's okay. Part of the idea. For you, for you, I understand. When you say open up, what do you mean? So. Yeah, we probably. Yeah, we probably just wouldn't be a part of that probably. Yeah. Well, so. I don't think we would do that. Yeah. I think that we need to start really rethinking that concern. So, so I just feel like we have a different of opinion. So for me, I just I just feel like we have a different of opinion. So for me, I just I just feel like we have a different of opinion. So for me, I feel like the camps support Drupal. That's what that's what we're here to do. And the camps also in an indirect way are a way for people to prepare for DrupalCon in a way. So like, we're already doing like I hear what you're saying, like we're already good. We're already good at that process. So what you're telling me is, is like, oh, if you want to, if you want our help. You're going to have to. Well, but part of the part of the conversation, part of the conversation really is should, you know, do we, do we want camps to support each other? And, and, you know, part of part of the WordPress model is camps that make more money help go back into the pot to support new camps. So, you know, they have a sliding scale for what they will, how much the central organization will will grant a camp. And it starts at a pretty high level. If you're starting a brand new camp in a brand new city, you get a huge amount of money from the central organization because you don't have well, but right, you get a right. And there's right. There's no way to support that kind of that high level support without everybody pitching in. But, but there's, you know, there's, there's a lot of conversations to be had about what that looks like and how it's how everybody's disparate models contribute back to that. I think the one thing that would not work for the camps is a sort of a top-down approach. Right, absolutely. Right. Yeah, that's, that won't work. So, that's not my goal. It's like gathering together people and recognizing we're not all, you know, what's really important because that's what I'm finding is. Yeah, I can sense it's good. If I get to 70%, we're going. I don't mean no freaking effort. I mean, I'm doing that. Right. Right, so there is the Drupal Camp Fiscal Sponsorship. Are you aware of that program? No. As it stands. So, I think the initiative has been cut off kind of like they're not accepting new camps as far as I know. But they provide accounting, they provide personalized PayPal. It's the fiscal sponsorship from the Drupal Association. And so they provide the accounting piece. They have a PayPal email address that all our money goes there and they send us spreadsheets, but it's not, there's no automated process similar to the WordPress thing that we saw. It is done through email, it is done. Oh, we messed up here, so we're now taking $100 from your account or, you know, that sort of thing. They, we're, as a fiscal sponsor, a camp is supposed to be able to operate under their nonprofit status, which I think some people are finding that the Drupal Association will not sign anything any longer that's going to, you know, if your venue, if, you know, whatever you're, whoever you're dealing with requires that someone from the nonprofit sign something, then you're going to have a problem. They also revoked event insurance. We now have to provide our own event insurance and they will not sign as liability for that as well. And so these are things that are making me really nervous coming up into my camp because I've already heard other people having issues like we can't get the event insurance, we don't feel comfortable signing it as an individual because then we are liable, those sort of things that I think, you know, we are still giving that 10% back and I don't have a problem with giving back to the Drupal Association where community builders, the money goes in and it continues to make the community better as well and help other camps but I think, you know, the WordPress way may not be the way for us but it's a great model to start with definitely and I think that we can all work together and find something that works for us but it's going to need, we're going to need that support, a centralized support and some sense of standards that we all agree on but we can all still keep our you know, custom things. Yes, I think so. Thank you. So yeah, that's it, we'll hang out and chat, or I'll hang out and chat more. There is a session, I don't think we have it in the slide. Yeah, so it's 345 back in this room Joseph is doing a camp organizer survival guide and I'm going to tell a little bit of his story about organizing camps and then we'll do some more Q&A for more folks who are here. I'll be back here. Tomorrow we have a bof scheduled when I don't remember when it is I think 1 to 2 1 to 2 tomorrow. And then if you're not on the camp organizer Slack, oh yeah. Join up or I can invite you. Thanks for coming. Yes, thank you. So I'm just curious, what is it that you want to get out of camp? So like that comment confused me. Yeah. Okay, we've got this all started is, you know, I went to yeah, yeah. Okay. You said on agency, you just want to okay. So they set that up. Okay. Okay. So first off, it's like actually had an elbow pain I wrap that up. Okay. Hi, nice to meet you. Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. All right. I was like, I'm going to go I'm going to be a full time or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's like so you have to choose. But the thing is, it's like it's started to help me and we understand that the lack of centralization is lack of coordination, it's like, I remember. But back to the sponsor's question, what is it as a sponsor that you know, when you say I go to Jimmy Campion, it's not like one, what is it specifically? Right. In this case, actually having. Right, okay. That's why I want to get some support. That's okay, cool. So what is the module called again? The module is basically finished out, and I should say it's basically digital. I think it's just called digital. I don't know what it's for. I think it's just called digital. I think it's just called digital. I don't know what it's for. I don't know what it's for. I don't know what it's for. Okay, like that. And then the camps made up of mostly people who were present. Yeah, and it's a bit on the small side. And actually what's wrong with it. And then we'll just force the stringer and use the question what's on the side. Yeah, that's correct. So, yeah, and this is very, very, very, very, very cool. It'll be a year, but we'll try to see. Yeah, I mean, this is a million camps. I can't sponsor that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And I'm not even going to get there. It's like, go forward with it. But yeah, all these big, cool work. Right. And we're gonna need to see. Like, so why aren't they getting the question? Yeah, I'm like, there's no relationship for them. So, in order to do so, that's a very good question. We've talked about that, it's like, how do we get those companies there? Because we're the users group and we're not, we don't have a client list. So when Media Current had a camp up in Marietta, that last awesome one, it was like 400 people because they could pick up the phone and start calling. This is the first year we've done like a focused summit. So we also have some Friday, we're gonna do it on Friday. It's sort of, it's the Friday activity, but there are also some trainings available on Friday. And then our Saturday camp is, our typical Saturday camp session. But there can definitely be, you know, science sessions based on those sessions. But just, we have NCEIs hosted in Asheville, it's a federal entity of NOAA. So it's where all the satellite climate data is archived and processed and all that.