 No, it's not all vocalists Collection you grab like rude. I know But uh, yeah, he got he got I got some some decent money because I had some Tom weights records in there and breeders and stuff Yeah, the last time I went to Amoeba, which was the one and in the upper hate in San Francisco I mean, I think there's just the three, right? There's oak or Berkeley, San Francisco and Hollywood I think I always thought it was one and I'm not from started in Berkeley and In the Bay Area was the original and then people like oh no, it's the one in LA. Oh really? Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm I think well someone's lying to one of us But yeah, I I had brought in I was moving at some point where I was like three boxes of CDs let's get some money and People at Amoeba were like this is like more work front for us Like look whatever you can pay me is fine, and I'll take the rest down the street to the thrift shop You know no big deal, and he's like no man You got some good stuff in here, and I'll he's like whatever I don't use all either 99 cent or or gift to the thrift shop Myself and one. All right. That's nice. Yeah But yeah, it was funny when I was like the bookstore like oh, yeah, sorry too many books We don't have any books right now room no more books. Thanks, and they're a smaller bookstore too, but go away He was real nice about it. He was apologetic, and I'm like no no I understand one of my neighbors on The street that I live on is a walk street meaning you can only walk down it You can't drive a car and one of my neighbors on that street has like a little I Don't know it's like a little shelf on the outside of his fence and every day There's like little books out there that you're supposed to be like take one but also leave one You know kind of a system type thing right right? Yeah, there and there are always books on that shelf, and they do change like I think people are like actually Being like oh, I want to you know read a new book on the beach, and I'll leave the one that I've been reading Very sort of back packery a lot of times When I'm walking the dogs I'll take some of the books that have been sent for sword and laser that are review copies with you know Do not sell and I'll take them to the little neighborhood libraries like that and just leave them there. Yeah Yeah, it's actually kind of nice. Yeah, and there are you're right. There's always books in them There's always yeah, like it's not like people aren't just like stealing the books and leaving nothing There are always books out there So somebody's taking them and then you know leaving another we have one at the Anglican Church We have one that's in like a doctor who looking phone for a British looking phone booth We've got one and then we've got two others. There's like four within walking distance Little libraries today's sponsor is the coldest Love this thermos though. Let's have a DTNS little library box that people can buy me stop it All right, you guys ready? I'm ready if Sammy will stop it shoot. Thank you It's my cat very needy very needy case of the Mondays I'm thinking about getting one soon Alright, well, here we go in three two Do you enjoy hearing the tech news delivered by smart informed people me too learn more about how you can support this show at daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Monday August 13th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane also in Los Angeles. I'm Lamar Wilson and also in Los Angeles County Our producer Roger Chang. Hello La show it's an LA day La is our lady And every Monday should be LA day guy Special that we introduce you you're on your you know Especially at the end or would you rather introduce yourself? I am fine either way, okay? I am just happy that the ambient temperatures below 90 degrees. Yeah You are a young man opposite of that deaf con and black hat Happened this weekend in Las Vegas, which means a field day of headlines to scare the crap out of you We're gonna talk about that. Well, let's start with a few tech things. You should know Spotify is running a test in Australia to see what happens when it lets listeners on its free tier skip any Ads anytime they want now advertisers won't pay for ads that are skipped The idea is to create ads that people don't mind listening to so that they perform better and keep users on Spotify Rather than getting put off by ads and then leaving Tesla CEO Elon Musk published a statement saying that he has been talking to Saudi Arabia's public investment fund about taking Tesla private since the beginning of last year he says that This is the funding if he described as secured in a tweet about taking the company private He also clarified that taking Tesla private will be funded by equity not debt. Sorry. I messed up this sentence It's a confusing thing, but the equity not debt thing was a question I had so that's good Airbus announced its solar powered Zephyr s haps which stands for high-altitude pseudo satellite flew for 25 straight days That sets a record for any airplane and beats the previous record of the previous Zephyr of 14 days the Zephyr uses only solar power to fly at 70,000 feet UK military has ordered three of the aircraft and one might assume that Facebook Would be shopping for this now that they've stopped making their own aircraft for project wing Apple's released notes for iOS 12 and Mojave developer beta's list group chats for FaceTime Previously announced as coming later this fall meaning really seeming to mean that will not arrive with the official OS release But it was working so well. No All right, let's talk a little more about some smart things finally Lamar. Tell us. Yeah Talk about Samsung. They're smart So Samsung updated smart things product line with the new wireless hub and a new dual band Wi-Fi water router Lamar learn how to read today, including mesh routing Networking tech license from plume. This is gonna be a long day guys The router came manage smart home devices like plugs switches and lights that connect over Zigbee and Z wave wireless protocols Three packs sells for $280 or individually for 120 now the new smart things hub sells for 70 Samsung also updated its smart things leak motion and multi-purpose door opening Vibration temperature sensor and it's programmable button and plug-in smart outlet all available today for between 15 and $35 so a couple things here. I if you live in in the Samsung world, this is great I mean, you know, you have their phone. You have their refrigerator appliances, whatever. This is a nice addition I like that their router is adding Z wave and Zigbee it could inside the router so you have a connected another thing I know the echo did the same similar thing with Zigbee, right? They offer that so you don't have to have a separate hub for your Your light bulbs. So I think more routers needs me to start doing that for sure Yeah, and it's a mesh router. So you get the pack of three so you can actually put it, you know cover a larger area It's got the wireless protocols built in for the whole smart home stuff and you can use it Other stuff you don't have to be in the Samsung universe to use it That's the other cool thing about it being standard like that. Yes And apparently plume who they worked with on this works very closely with the cable companies ISP So if you have a cable ISP, it should, you know, you shouldn't you should technically, you know Theoretically have fewer problems setting it up with your network, too So this is a compelling little package here from Samsung And the three pack is You know, it's it financially advantageous, right? It's like you get one for $120, but you get three for 280 So it's just a little bit over twice as much Which is obviously the point of it an $80 savings. They look familiar How about that children's hospital in Liverpool, England called elder hay will use the Microsoft HoloLens to let surgeons Consult patient scans while they are operating on those patients The hospital will also use the Microsoft Surface Hub for reviewing CT scans and other patient information Now we don't mean to get you know overly hyped and laudatory about Microsoft in particular But you know, the idea of augmented reality being used in the operating room is a great one This is this is the kind of thing when people are like, oh, what is this good for? It's good for this being able to see the scans while you're looking at whatever you're operating on I don't know if I was about to say heart, but that seems like it's dramatic But I suppose that's that could be true sure and and being able to see the scans that show you like the rear side of it From a CT scan when you're about to operate. So, you know what's going on on the other side I mean, I'm not a surgeon, but the surgeons quoted in these articles seem very excited about that possibility And the Microsoft Surface Hub is great for collaboration If you have a whole team before operations, you can all see the same things and interact with it And even people who aren't in the same room can remotely access what you're seeing as well Yeah, I think I think this helps for just better accountability and anything that gives the doctor an edge to Have a more successful surgery is is a great thing in my book I know there's some hospitals using, you know, the Google. What is that thing called in face? I was gonna say Google home. It's not called home. Yeah, the Google glasses is used, you know by some hospitals I see no I have no issue with this whether it's Microsoft or any other company I think it's think it's great that technology has been used like this Yeah, I mean obviously it depends on what the surgery is about But we have been talking about this for the last couple of weeks or okay. Well, there's a lot of AR benefits You know in the enterprise assembly lines in the you know, the the the medical hospital sector and I think the idea of precision-based Surgeries which require not only a lot of knowledge, but a lot of technical know-how The benefits a lot from this kind of technology. Yeah, I immediately think of the fact that magically is focused purely on the consumer space And and I wonder if that if they'll stick to that When they see these kinds of uses or if that will hurt them that they're not going to be considered because There's no reason magically couldn't be used for the same thing and it might have some advantages in certain situations over the hollow lens I also when you bring up Google Glass Lamar it makes me wonder if we're going to see a more augmented reality hollow lens like version of glass for For the enterprise situations that are already using it that add that functionality and could that go the other direction? Could that start to lead into the daydream VR augmented, you know the AR stuff on on Android And help feed into that as well That's a good point All right folks time for that yearly DTNS tradition called Def Con and black hats scare the bejesus out of us Each year these security conferences engage seasoned researchers to present reliable research on Vulnerabilities as a way of showing that the white hats are on the case finding the holes and helping them get patched Before the black hats can exploit them and every year the headlines blare about horribly insecure Everything is good. Look at what these researchers found. So we're gonna take a moment We're gonna let ourselves just be frightened by the headlines and go hopefully from frightened to factual with a few of the Stop top stories from this weekend. Let's start with What looks like some bad UI you decide if you think it was purposeful or not? The Associated Press is making some hay out of the fact that turning off something in Google called location tracking Does not in fact turn off all stored Locations here's why Google seems to act like location tracking when you turn that off means actively recording your location as you use a device So when you turn off location tracking, it's not constantly Keeping a record of where you are and storing it in your account and remember this is all stored in your account Google has access to it, but it's it's you I have control over it What the Associated Press found and it had confirmed by some Princeton researchers is that even with location tracking off Google's website and apps will still store Locations when you use them with the app. So let's say you open Google Maps It'll determine where you are to use Google Maps correctly and then store that location or weather updates If it's going to give you a weather update or like, oh, you're in Berkeley Okay, give you the weather for Berkeley and then it stores that location even if you have location tracking off Since these are not continuously tracking You're just recording a location when you fire up the app Google classes them separately So if you want to stop that kind of location storage You need to go into your Google account find activity controls and turn off web and app activity And then you can also in that same Google account interface delete any save location data from your Google account as well All right, so I was just about to say what do you think now as soon as you Were talking about this and I read it earlier I'm really thought of tile because I have a bunch of those and and and their premise is hey We do a ping we're not like following you But you know like so you lose your your keys whatever whatever whatever that last location is is where you find it And I think that's just well Google or Apple or any Companies would be doing here. It's like hey, did you lose your phone? This was the last look location I think that's a useful thing And I can I can see how people me like hey if I turn this off it should turn everything off But that just wouldn't be it doesn't sound like it would be practical for for this kind of device So I I don't see a harm here Hey, I don't I don't really either although I do find it very buried within settings Which is one of the articles that wired wrote about this whole debacle that was the point that they were making as well It's like yes the settings are in your Google account It's under personal info and privacy and then you go to activity and then you go to activity controls And then you go to web and app activity and at that point There's not even a word location being used anymore, and I can see where someone's like I You know it's it's the setting is there, but it's on by default Which is problematic and I think for a lot of folks and perhaps it's because I had a friend Visiting me over the weekend who's not tech savvy So you know it's sometimes it's good to be reminded that people are like I have no idea what any of these settings mean or what it means to me I think that knowing exactly what's going on the story is not You know so much of like oh Google's you know tracking all of this location data that you didn't know about it's more of it's It's it's hard for an average person To find these settings understand what they mean and toggle them off. Yeah I mean I get what there's an engineering mindset of like okay So we won't follow you around and track where you are all the time But we still need your location for this stuff and we're gonna store that and then there's a perfectly understandable user mindset of like no When I said turn off location, I meant turn off storage location. I don't care where it comes from So there's a disconnect here for sure for sure all right moving on to Something else at DEF CON for the second year DEF CON has a voting village where hackers can attack decommission and Election equipment to test for vulnerabilities. This is intended to bring attention to the state of security and voting machines and Thus make them more secure Among the headline grabbing events was one that set up a replica of the Florida Secretary States website and Invited children to use SQL injection attacks to change the reported vote totals 39 children tried to hack into the site replicas and 35 were able to do so in under half an hour Now the fastest exploit was completed in under 10 minutes by the 11 year old boy The hack would not have changed the actual vote totals only the web page. So yeah, I saw this headline 11 year old, you know Changes that you know hacks of the voting systems that wait a minute This was a fake site to begin with that they created with both vulnerabilities So it was a replica. It was a replica of the actual Florida site Okay, the article may seem like it. It wasn't an exact copy of it Secretary of State's Association said well, of course in this situation It you'd be able to hack it but our our various state sites are more secure and the people setting this up at Defconn said Well, actually, I think ours our setup was actually slightly more secure than yours So there's an argument about definitions there But there they were meant to replicate an actual website serve without of course actually Yeah, and what was interesting what they were they were saying this is like Realistically, of course the the voting commission or what we're saying is that that realistically no one would be able to physically do this to a machine They wouldn't be able to walk in That's a different thing that's hacking the voting machines. This is just the web. You don't need to physical access to hack the website What do you think the the thinking was behind? decommissioned and kids You know because it's like it decommissioned right so it's like this is not necessarily a you know a threat that's that's that's that's lagging us Currently and and I think this is confusing. There are two different things. There's the decommissioned election Devices, which means you're not hacking something that's going to be used in a future, right? That's what I was right and that's important and that's the one of them are was saying you'd have to have physical access So that's that's a little more sophisticated of attack. Then there's the kids hacking the replica website. That's not decommission That's just we copy now site that's out there and we and and you I I think this is where the loss in translation moment comes in is We're talking about a conference that a lot of people bring their kids to to help them learn because they're excited about it And they need to have kids events over the years Defconn and black had have been like hey There's there's kids come and let's have some kids events to get those coding kids something to do And that that's what this is. So that's why you have it Yeah, the the scare tactic here is like, you know, you know, yeah They see they can go in and change the election totals and in reality They're not changing anything except a number that's on a webpage So, however, I did get the point of this. It's like well, hey, it was easy enough for a kid to do You know, you need to tighten your security So I think the security for the machines decommission or not for the websites are Are Crazy under secure like like I don't understand how every year something, you know Something as easy as able to happen like this And I think another really important thing this shows is the Secretary of State's Association didn't cooperate with this test They didn't do what a responsible tech company would do in this situation and say hey disclose to us what these Vulnerabilities are so we can patch them right away They they sort of tried to minimize the the fear and certainty and doubt because they're reacting to the headline that says 11 year old hacks Florida website, right? And they should be reacting to like hey, this is great We want to know what these vulnerabilities are and how they got in so we can patch them up Please please send us your documentation and your logs So we can make our websites more secure. That's what should be happening that I agree with you Would we all like to continue the fud train? All right researchers from Tencent demonstrated a complex hack of Amazon echo speakers the team Modified an echo by removing its flash memory modified firmware to gain root access and then soldering it back in The modified echo was then added to the same Wi-Fi network as other echoes flaws in Amazon's whole home communication protocol and voice interface were exploited to get full control of These targeted speakers now Amazon has patched the exploited vulnerabilities and That's where we are now. Yeah, and that's where most of these stories end is Security researcher found it found an interesting hack told the company company patched it Then they give their presentation at DEF CON and that's what's going on here This is pretty sophisticated like you actually have to Do some some not? Not easy modification to an echo You it's doable by probably a lot of people in our audience, but it's not something you just you know and any anybody could just throw together Then you have to be able to get on to the Wi-Fi network again Totally doable, but also not something that everybody's going to be able to do to every network Then you have to be able to execute these this attack that takes advantage of the vulnerabilities So it's that there's a lot of effort involved here and Amazon has already patched those vulnerabilities. Yeah, and then yeah Engadget mentioned that The time spent to have to do this it and you know someone's home is is you know, it's probably not realistic However in a hotel, you know where where a lot of these hotels are adding Amazon echoes That could be more of a concern if it was a hotel in Las Vegas during a hacker convention Well, yeah Yeah, I believe I believe the win hotels all have echoes in the rooms or that was the last thing that I had heard so I I I look forward to Shannon Morse's try trials from Defcon which you know, she has for us every year. Yeah, it's a It's it's it's a it's a it's a Trying to figure out how the best way to say this It's an important thing to pay attention to because there will always be another vulnerability And so you should be aware that hey if I'm using this Amazon echo Maybe I should be careful about what I tell it what I ask it to do and the permissions I give it in case there is somebody listening in this hotel and when I'm at home I should be aware that hey There's a low possibility that somebody could try to you know do something So be on the lookout, you know, make sure I have a secure Wi-Fi set up all of those things are responsible But it's not something we have to all freak out and like oh my god door. The echo's out the window I mean Lamar bringing up the hotel version of this I was like because you know when I read the story this morning I was like, well, I'm not worried about anybody like taking apart my echo and soldering it back together But in a hotel room, maybe I would a little bit more so but think of it in terms of am I also worried that the person Who stayed in the room before me like I don't know You know put a you know a webcam and the ceiling like no not really no and it's totally doable, right? It could have happened so you just gotta be aware If I don't have to give a lot of personally identifiable identifiable information to the echo And I can say hey Send me up some housekeeping. I need new towels and it does it. I'm not worried if somebody intercepts that Like there's myriad other ways that somebody could find out that I have called down for for new towels, you know That's that's not the top of my list of worries. Yeah There are there are some worries out there in the hotels Because security arrangements are such That they've been doing spot checks on hotel rooms and a lot of the hackers who are very privacy oriented are not happy That these folks come up and knock at the door and say hey, I'm in security. I need to check your room They're like, yeah, really? I don't according to whom let me see your badge. Yeah, I wouldn't like that either No, whether or not I was taking apart an echo speaker. It's like no, you know I've heard of that before heads up man. I'm paying, you know, 280 dollars a night Well, that's because of the shooting in las vegas, uh, they're you know, they're trying to be more secure But oh are they I didn't know about the spot checks. Wow in in some hotels. Yeah Researchers from checkpoint research demonstrated how to gain access to every computer connected to an hp all-in-one printer through its Fax capability hence the headlines fax machines lead to network hacks or something even scarier than that A faxed image containing malicious code That then was stored on the printer was used to be able to do an escalation attack I then well, I may not have been an escalation attack But it was used to be able to to gain access into the network and then once you're in the network You can do all the normal like things that you can do when you're inside a network to try to do privilege escalation and all of that um, so Hps patched the vulnerability and they're all in one printer that did this but it is this is a great Notification that old technology that's still hooked up Is something that you need to pay attention to? If you leave your fax machine on for auto answer like you did back in 1998 And somebody really wants to attack probably your enterprise more than your home That there there might be a way to do that Yeah, I was gonna say like yeah every office depot beware because those are the only places I know to still have But I I have an all-in-one printer that has a fax. I do too I don't have it hooked up. So i'm not worried about that as a vulnerability, but yeah Some people might still like they hooked him up a long time ago and they're they're still just hooked up Well, let this be a lesson to all of us faxing is dead Is it's not well, it might be dead. It might be dead for house for doctors who don't use email Those are yeah, but you're right because the HIPAA stuff because you have to do one of those like secure website Situations to be HIPAA compliant. So the the fax hilariously even though Way more vulnerable as an attack platform is HIPAA compliant because the idea is well It's behind the counter and only the people behind the counter who are cleared to see your information would see your information That's interesting. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that that doctor's office side of thing I think it is going away though. I and I wonder when we finally see I don't keep track of the printer market very closely I wonder when we finally see the printer stop carrying fax capability because all of them are scanners and faxes now It seems like yeah, yeah, I guess mine is too. I know it's a scanner. I didn't even think you ever had effects on it Yeah, it's yeah, it's probable that it does although. Yeah, a lot of people are like, I never do that I never need it. Yeah, I'll go burn it One one way to secure yourself against a fax vulnerability is not to have a pot's phone service Right or don't buy HP Well, as long as you I actually have one of those and I I will admit to using the fax functionality as we were talking in the pre-show Uh, when I was getting my mortgage I kind of got fresher with the mortgage broker because they didn't understand dropbox or anything else. It's like fine I'll just fax to you straight to your office Uh, the simplest way is to unplug the phone line. Yep, and that's what I do. I leave it unplugged until I actually need it Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Also a big thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit We love you. Submit stories and also vote on other stories submitted at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Want to hang out on facebook with us great facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show is where to go And you can email us or fax us actually you can't fax us So just email us and then uh, sarah might read your email in the mailbag Yeah, exactly. Like chris's email. He was referencing our story last friday, I believe about redfin directly selling homes to buyers rather than having that sort of realtor middleman chris says Uh, regarding redfin selling homes to players I have a law degree worked in finance worked in construction on private homes Went with a realtor because I was in a neighborhood that I was unfamiliar with I think she showed us maybe three houses that she actually picked those homes were generated off an automatic search The exact same automatic search that I set up using zillow and trulia. No joke same results I got from zillow as I did from her But zillow offered me more info on the property every other house more than a dozen We looked at were picked from zillow and trulia searches And then the realtor set up the viewing viewings that I can set up with a call to the seller's realtor Or even the seller directly She offered no insight into the area told us she wasn't legally allowed to And on several occasions tried to convince us that the price on the house was very good for the area When the home was overpriced at least, you know in chris's research Everything was about making the sale But if we went on trulia or zillow and of course there are others We could get reports on crime rates school quality and the like We're even giving more information on when the home is sold fast for how much And all the work that had been done to the house things the realtor never offered The bank handled all the paperwork. She just handed over the key and again This was one of the top rated realtors that we could find in this new neighborhood So what are realtors offering now? They're not handling paperwork for the sale They get their houses off auto-generated searches Same as I do they can set up viewings same as I can They can't give any insight into the area But the websites can the realtor gets a nice fat commission check at the end of the day For very little work. This is according to chris as far as I can see We've done everything the realtor can do and we can save on the commission costs by cutting them out So if redfin wants to make it even easier and cut out the realtor sounds great to me I don't mind selling to them and buying my next house without a realtor Who they're gonna be emails coming in from real estate. Yeah I don't know who rated that realtor, but that realtor sounds awful Uh, I think there's two things going on here. One is your realtor was not good Our realtor Did a lot of things. I mean first of all, I don't want to call around and set up six or seven viewings Like my realtor did she took care of all of that and was fantastic Uh, I also was getting way more information from her mls printouts than was available on redfin So I don't know what what your realtor was handing you but it was crap like I I'd be mad too if if I was chris We we had a better way better realtor than that and she she was worth the value and gave us insights on the neighborhoods Like I don't know what that's about But I also think in a less competitive market than la Where in la you You have to look at you know Eight to ten properties at a time if you want to even put in an offer You also have to put in multiple offers at a time Which our realtor handed all that paperwork the bank didn't do that She handled the multiple offers and the counter negotiations if you're in a market that's not that competitive Then yeah, maybe there's less for the realtor to do and you don't mind doing that at your on your own Because you're only going to pick two or three houses to go look at and sure Maybe you can maybe you have the time to set that up But I I think different situations are different and I think there definitely is still a place for a human This is the the sort of the ai versus the human debate for me Like there are things that my realtor did that I absolutely was appreciative that I had a human being doing We and she was encouraging us to use redfin to pull listings and help supplement the ones she found She found some cool stuff. We found some cool stuff and it all worked together. So it all depends on who you get Well, and I think it depends on, you know Chris's point of like this information was already available to me the realtor just didn't offer anything Well, and that's probably true And there are probably lots of realtors who are just, you know, kind of coasting on the fact that once upon a time That can you know, the the buyer didn't have access to any of this information But like you said tom it depends on well, are we looking for something specific that's unique to You know my family or or me or you know, what I might want and you know This desert landscaping work for me and you know That personal feel that you're not going to get through just a bunch of specs on a website Data base my realtor had had more information than redfin Like I don't understand what she was given chris, but it wasn't good She wasn't good at all Do you see this changing in the next five years five ten years where it is automated? Like, you know, and you just don't I don't I don't know that I think there will always be a place Maybe not maybe in in less competitive markets. It could get all automated But I think there's a place for having someone kind of driving you around and and helping you select like, you know, whittle down The the overwhelming number of choices out there and the biggest thing that I can say is helping you negotiate the multiple offers and figuring How to how to prioritize your offers and stuff like that in a heated up market. That's that's incredibly helpful I think I you know, I I've never bought a home So this is something that I I can't but you know person I have no actual personal experience, but I liken it to buying a car, right? I can do lots of research on the car that I want I there's there's nothing there's no car out there that I can't find a lot of information on Before I walk into a dealership and try to drive out with that car and knowing that you know people who are in the real estate or you know car car sales or or or comparable positions often work on commission and are motivated to sell and That's more of that kind of social engineering part of it that I'm like you kind of just need to understand that and be able to read Between the lines sometimes, but yes, it I I agree that the idea of well, nobody needs a realtor That's a middleman that doesn't make sense anymore Is is jumping the gun? Yeah Interview your realtor find one that that actually is is good Don't don't just pick one out of the book. That would be my recommendation And if you're in a small market, if you're in sereno, illinois, you probably don't need a realtor Just go find the house and talk to the person you can figure it all out Well, thanks chris for the email and also thanks to lemar wilson for being with us this fine monday lemar What has been going on with you since we saw you last lots of lots of videos I do a lot of showcases of cool products. So if you want to From mystery boxes to cool tech just did a Really high-end bluetooth wireless speaker if you enter all that kind of stuff Check me out on youtube youtube.com slash lemar wilson do video about every day Although might not do one until wednesday this week as a stuff, but there's a lot of videos on there. 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Yeah, he was really on me. He's like you need to start owning property. It's like I don't It's one of those things. I don't know. What if I don't want to stay here in LA And he's like, well, you just rent it out. It's like that's a hassle You got to be a landlord and and find a rental agency. I don't know. It seems more hassle You sell it Your friend of mine bought a house a beautiful house in The west atoms neighborhood of la for anybody who knows the area Sort of up and coming area really nice house and right after she closed on the deal She got a job in san francisco where she came from and she immediately was like, okay Well, never mind. I don't live here anymore But I'm keeping the house because it was a really good investment and now I just have people living there and now I'm a landlord so worked out nicely You get it takes us I mean either you hire a rental agency to handle that or yeah Because it's a pain in the butt to be a I mean, I've I've I haven't been a landlord But I I mean I've rent it from a really good one and seeing all the stuff they go through All right, I wouldn't want that hassle personally Um me either um case and points. Uh, my garbage disposal broke yesterday I'm not going to tell you why let's just call it user error But it was not on purpose However, my land Many spoons. Yeah. Yeah, it was It wasn't a spoon Okay, it was it was the top of a um a very delicate tea set Right, so it was like the top like it just I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's just it was it's my fault However, it's my lee I learned to fix it, you know and sure enough. He was like what's in there? I mean the garbage disposal is like one of the most annoying things to fix where I'm like But you're the landlord You have to do it. Yeah, I kind of it comes next. All right. What do you think hacking voting machines is child's play Oh Done. I like it. I like it works for me Hacking voting machines is child's play literally like it was meant for children to do actually hacking voting Websites, so maybe we just say hacking voting Yeah machines. Yeah. Yeah, not actually the machines Also, vote hacking maybe oh the even tighter vote hacking Hacking like it. Uh, how many uh, the the movie child's play checky. Um, how how many how many Or uh, not episodes, but you know, how long did that franchise go? I think it was like Aren't they four aren't they four deep? I believe so. I think they are. Yeah Bad bad movie very bad movie Oh god, why you put that in my head anything? Well clowns or kids scare me Clowns I don't understand where clowns only became like evil Bozo from illinois Tom you remember that one or a bozo. Yeah, that was the chicago kids. They had bozo Well, it was on wg and so was wg and international When my brother was young then we got wg and on cable when I was young we didn't get it Ah, okay, we didn't have cable till I was like 12 Gotcha. Yeah Well, it's a little scary too. It run them down. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're all they're all freaked me out I mean, I actually know somebody a woman who's a professional clown Um, and she has been for many years and you know, it's sort of like kids parties But also, you know, sort of comedy and it's it's a whole thing and I remember one sort of, you know Not because I was trying to offend anybody But I was like, oh clowns. Oh, so scary and she was like, you know what I resent that You know, I'm like, I actually take this pretty seriously. This is a real profession A lot of people make like the movie it like ruined it for all of us Like now everyone's afraid of us. We're like really nice people trying to make you laugh So Depends on the clown, obviously Chow's play went seven deep What Yeah, there was a bride of chuckie seat seat of chuckie curse of chuckie and cult of chuckie All they're probably awful because I've never heard of them Chuckie bride of chuckie was um Uh, Jennifer tilly, I think Oh, really? Yeah, but that was the last one that I saw Not her not her best. Um, but you know Well, it's like the uh, um Night of the living dead, you know zombie movies Yeah After a while it becomes like, you know, just one thing Seven movies Well, uh, roger, I know you need to go, um So yeah, I mean, I'll be I'll be I'll circle back. Um, I'll have a kid on my lap. So Yeah, it was george miller Who's I think? Joe wasn't george miller and mad max george miller. Yeah, who was mad max george miller and georgia maro were the zombie team georgia maro is yeah, uh And george miller is also the mad man dead, right? Yeah Oh speaking of dead, uh, infinity war comes out tomorrow Uh, no george miller is mad max. Why is this this this book is confusing? The miller romero connection They're trying to say that mad max universe is post zombie apocalypse from george romero and romero is what I was trying to think of Anyway, day of the dead dawn of the dead All of the dead I don't think I've seen any of there's more Of the dead movies than most people realize because I wasn't I wasn't allowed to watch those when I was little Oh, really? And even as an adult I wasn't allowed to There was some there was some reboot of the franchise Uh george romero's franchise that I did a junket for at some point when I worked at g4 and I Just I'm not a super big zombie movie person Not to the point where I had seen all of the the previous but I remember the whole premise of that was like the zombies could now move through water Where like before I'd be like, oh when we get to the edge of the sea We just stand here and like don't actually cross oceans anymore, but in this one they could they made Was it a land of the dead? Thank you Well, what's the what's the zombie movie where they sort of remember who they are and start reliving their old lives? Oh, I don't know had Dennis Hopper in it as like the human but he was a bad guy of this like city That might be land of the dead it might be At that point I said, okay. I think you kind of beat the zombie thing Oh one too many times because at one point it was just supposed to be about the fear And it wasn't really the zombies per se but kind of the like where do you go when you have nowhere else to turn to Right, so that was but like once you start giving them emotions and feelings and like to be to mention Yeah, there's zombies. Well, then there's the iZombie series on cw Well, so this is the thing that bugs me is disney has a zombie like zombie high school or something And like the whole thing is like they eat cauliflower and they like has their own lives They go to school. It's like cauliflower looks like brains Yeah, and it's just it's just like come on. It's done. What's what a fork in it? What's the um Um What's the zombie movie the funny british, uh, 28 days later of the dead 28 days later was not very funny I thought it was color you said I didn't think it was funny. I don't know if you found it funny I mean she wanted that. I don't know you kind of have to like that particular kind of I mean, I thought that movie was great hot fuzz. I didn't think it was very good But shon of the dead I thought was really funny I thought shon of the dead was kind of warmed over Really? Like it was I understood what they were going for but it wasn't that like a lot of people That I knew personally really enjoyed it, but I thought it was just okay That's a lot of things though Well, you know what I'm sorry. I have a I said a high bar for my entertainment. Don't be a don't apologize I don't know any of these references and I'm very happy ever seen shon of the dead I don't the scariest thing I watch Shon of the dead is not scary was uh, definitely not scary frady was nightmare Well, he said he's terrifying too. Yeah, but uh I'm back from the dead He's the killer Will be great if he actually did rise up and he like redid his entire like last tour Like because that's all he remembers and so that's what he does I'm looking forward to the movie. Uh, but by the guy who's in mr. Robot. Uh, he That's supposed to be yes Rami, what's his name? Rami Malik? Rami Malik. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just can't forget. Yeah He's a very convincing Freddie Mercury. I know this is one little tidbit about Freddie Mercury He's the only person that I can think of that was born in zen's a bar Ooh, really like good trivia piece. That is that. Yeah It's like that's one of my favorite words Because it evokes two things it evokes kind of a mysterious locale but incredibly Like not enlightened or maybe just like very peaceful and tranquil like there's just the very new agey element to it Zanzibar is an archipelago too Is it? Yeah, I guess I I guess I did know that I don't know that I do that we should all go to zanzibar and do a dts from there We should after st. Louis, you know get back from st. Louis first. Yeah Then I'll head to zanzibar. Hey zanzibar folks. Let us know who's got first st. Louis That'll praise if you put a gun to my head. I couldn't tell you where zanzibar was It's off the coast of tanzania. Come on. I don't know where that is Wait, you know what tanzania is? Isn't that isn't that next to Kenya now? Tanzania I remember it as tanzania, but that was from a zoom robert roger that I would know where it is because it's in africa Is that what you're saying? Oh, I thought you would know I had to get you back from earlier My standards for educators is too high I Know where all the states are because I played with a state map when I was a kid when I was I did too Yeah, why didn't my parents give me a world map? Then I'd know where tanzania is. I used, you know, I I confess I used to know more of where different countries were than which And which states were where especially in the midwest because like I don't remember, you know, like Nebraska and Iowa. I always mix those two north dakota south dakota. They're they're kind of like I like, you know, location stone. Like if I know what that is, I don't know where Minnesota Wisconsin Illinois. Yeah Yeah, I had an advantage growing up in Illinois because then I knew all the states around Illinois The ones that would start to confuse me would be the new england states because they're all tiny So this is the thing I finally figured out the new england states because I had a friend that lived in one And I always would like, you know, since I knew where she lived I figured out where everyone else was I was actually always really good at us states because I played where in the usa is carmen san diego I love that game too. God. I love which is where in the world, of course is the one that we all know better But the that it was it was all about state capitals So it's like I'm actually quite good at all of that because I just for hours Years on end just played over and over. Yeah, sir. We need We need the carmen san diego like like, uh, lowercroft tomb raider. We need a we need a movie Like that and then where's waldo can guest star? As a sidekick, what if waldo became a criminal mastermind and you have to find him like he's a spy It's waldo's evil brother waldo You know, um broder bun the company that I think love it. Is it broder bun that created uh, I think it was Yeah, I think we also did two specialized versions for the ua's government like one was for specific state Like, you know name all the I guess the north or south dakota Like name all the you know, whatever landmarks in our state, you know for for the kids and stuff But um, of course another i'm trying to remember it was for uh, while roger remembers Oh, I should wrap up Uh, but if you're on the video and you remember email us feedback at daily tech news show dot com And if you're on the audio stick around who knows maybe roger will remember or use wiki