 I'm 100% on this, like 100%. If you're one of those people that believes that women aren't supposed to preach, or that women can't be pastors, yeah, I'm 100% that you're going to hell. Like, I'm 100% you're going to hell. Yeah, I don't know. You probably weren't expecting to get a absolutely ridiculous statement like that at the very beginning. I don't know how to follow it. As a matter of fact, we're probably in the whole broadcast right now. Because... All I can say is for her to say that out of her mouth, that lets you know a little bit about her, but you know what I'd love to do? I would love, absolutely love, to sit down and talk with this young lady. I would love to talk with her. Now, I want to just put something in your mind. Just ask you guys a question. Isn't it amazing how God moves? How after all of this time, the Lord is finally, I mean the Lord has been dormant, the Lord has been asleep, but the Lord now is finally, and I mean finally moving on His people. Isn't it amazing how, uh-oh, I feel like something just stopped on me. Isn't it amazing though how after all these years, we've never understood the Bible? Isn't it amazing how now all of a sudden, people are actually getting an understanding of the Bible? They know what it means. We've had the words, but we just didn't know what they meant. We read them, but the Spirit hadn't opened our eyes now. All of a sudden, all of a sudden the super spiritual, the super biblical, they are helping us to see that we have been wrong all along. I've said before though that the further we go, what we know as true biblical doctrine, if this is where it was, as we go throughout time, it will go this way. And what we consider to be false doctrine or heretical doctrine will just increase. Sound doctrine will decrease, false doctrine will increase. And so you'll hear people who even have the audacity to even say, even if they're right, just a disagreement to say that, if you believe that a woman can't be a pastor, well then you're going to hell. Wow, she came out swinging, didn't she? So I want to go ahead and jump into some of these things. It's really weird. And so I heard something, someone sent me something. I had just listened to it. Our good friend was TD Jakes. TD Jakes had made a statement concerning his daughter. And so I want to look at that and then go from there because he believes that we ought to be promoting as well as praising women in leadership. And don't you let anybody tell you that God can't use a woman? And don't you let anybody tell you that a woman can't be anointed? And don't you let anybody tell you that a woman can't preach? Because the people who are saying that are not filling up no stadium with no 40,000 people. The Bible said you should know. OK, well, first of all, hold on. I don't think that filling up the stadium is really kind of the litmus. I don't I don't think that just because a person is filling up the stadium. I don't think that really matters because there's listen, they fill up football stadiums. I don't know the best really the the issue. I don't think that because you're getting more folks to show up that as a matter of fact, doesn't the Bible tell us that in the last days at the very end, you're going to have more and more people leaning and going to sound doctor. They're going to have itching ears. And so maybe that is an indication of people loving false doctor. Maybe that's what that is. But he believes that it's just I think he believes that people who believe that or don't agree with him or believe that a woman should be a pastor, that these are weak men who are just jealous. Know the tree by the fruitive bears. Don't argue with them. Just start throwing apples at them and let them see the fruit of what God said. I want every one. OK, fine. I don't mean to keep pausing, but he says that we should judge. Let them judge the tree by the fruit that it bears. OK, fine. So what if we just looked at Sarah Jake's fruit? That's the right. Jakes is yet Sarah Jakes's fruit because she said some some goofy things in the past. She has demonstrated that she does not know how to adequately handle the scriptures. Let me just give you an example. You're qualified for where you've been positioned. You're qualified. Oh, God, help me. Not just qualified. Peter was the only disciple that Jesus says was anointed to be the rock in which he would build the church. There were 12 disciples, 12 official disciples, and then there were more even after that. But there was a job that only Peter could do. You're in this room. And there is a job that only you can do. Only you and God know. OK, now she's trying to make the point that women and anybody else could be put in a particular position. But if she just actually understood the text. And when I'm talking about difficult, deep text, Peter is not the rock whom the church is going to be built on. So it's not built on Peter. As a matter of fact, we know it's built off of 12 apostles. How do we know? Because Paul comes and tells us that the foundation of the church are those apostles. So she's wrong. And if we just look at the text when he says upon you. And now he's using the singular, but it's in the dative. And so the construct necessarily brings us that he's saying you as a collector. So she just doesn't know. And I know sometimes it's hard to not hold someone who doesn't know accountable, but she should know. Matter of fact, she shouldn't be up there saying the things that she should know. But let's go back to her father and listen to what he's saying. A woman in the house and every come on women, come on women make some noise in the house. You don't have to apologize. You don't have to sit back and you don't have to feel bad. And that doesn't mean that you replace the man. But I want a strong woman by my side. I want a woman who can carry her weight by my side. I'm not intimidated by a strong woman because I'm a strong man. And that's why I want all the men to get up and give God a praise for this revolution of women evolving. So you guilt men into getting up because a strong man doesn't have a problem with the strong woman. So if you got a problem with her, she's a strong woman. That must mean you are intimidated, which makes you a weak man. Well, again, wrong on both counts. There's nothing wrong with coming against even a strong woman. Being a strong woman, that necessarily means you're right. Remember, remember there was a woman in the Bible by the name of Jezebel. I would say that just about everyone would conclude that Jezebel was a strong woman. I would agree that she was a strong woman. But was she biblical? No, she was not. And so just because someone has a problem with something that they see that's in the scripture, I tell you what you could do. How about you guys sit down and have a conversation? Now, I put it out, and I'll keep searching. I'll try to be intentional about going to some of these women and seeing if I can get some woman, some female pastor, to come on and just to have a conversation. Let's talk about this. What do you have to lose? Well, I know what she has to lose, her ministry. Because you're not going to be able to get past the scriptures. We're going to listen to some of these passages that are being put out. And we're going to listen to them being put out by men. So I want to hear from the men who have no clue about what they're saying. Let me just say up front that every last one of these men are wrong. Now, they're going to present what they're saying in a way to where it looks like or even sounds like that they might be intelligently working their way through the scriptures. They'll say things because they're hoping that other people who have not read the scriptures, not you guys, you guys read the Bible. But there are people out there who will hear this and say, yeah, that's right. That makes sense. They may investigate. They may not. They may take a little cursory look at the scriptures and realize, I think this person is correct. Now, the first young gentleman we're going to look at, this young brother, and I won't go out on a limb and say, just like the other young lady. Well, by the way, we're going to hear more from her. We're going to hear more from her. But this next young guy, he might assume he's a brother. I have no idea, but I won't say that he's not a brother simply because he disagrees. But he makes some statements. We're going to have to investigate his statements. I think that's what we should do, investigate their statements. God never said that a woman cannot be a preacher. OK, now, you'll hear that thing put out a lot. God never said that a person cannot this, or God never said not that. In other words, they're looking for a negative statement or a prohibition against something. Well, if I say, Mary, I want you to go and do this. And then, Amy decides to go do it. And I say, what are you doing, Amy? Well, you told Mary to go do it. Yeah, that's Mary, not you. You didn't say me not to go. That's kind of the way their arguments end up flowing. And so let's listen to what he's saying. You can't prove that with the scriptures. If it wasn't the will of God for a woman to preach or teach, then why does it say that Aquila and his wife Priscilla were over a church that was in? Does it say that? Does it say that Priscilla and Aquila were over a church? No, it doesn't. We're going to look at that. Was inside their house. Basically, she was a co-pastor with him. In John 20 verse 17. Basically, she was a co-pastor. Wrong again. Jesus told Mary to go tell the other disciples that he ascended to the Father. This is the first time Jesus commanded someone to preach his resurrection after he rose from the dead. It was a woman, but I thought women couldn't preach, though. Matter of fact, we can't forget Phoebe, right? Most don't even know who she is. Yet the Bible said that she was a servant in the church. That word servant originally means that she was a teacher or a pastor. When you hear ignorance, you put your head down, you cover your head up, you say, oh, my Lord. I can't believe they're saying this. So let's just go and look and see what the word is that he says that is describing Phoebe. He says most don't know who she is. Well, we know who she is. And so let's go to the passage. This is in Romans chapter 16. This is in verse, matter of fact, there's a few passages they go to in chapter 16. In chapter 16, verse one. Now, he says that she was a servant, and that means, matter of fact, let me put it back up. Let me hear him again. I want to hear what he says one more time. God never said that a woman can say that she was a servant in the church. That word servant originally means that she was a teacher or a pastor. Well, let's go and look and see if that word means that she was a teacher or a pastor. So Romans 16, one, I commend you, I mean to you, our sister Phoebe, who was a servant in the church, which is in Centria, that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and that you help her in whatever matter she may have need of you, for she herself has also been a helper of many and of myself as well. So what do we hear about Phoebe? What do we hear? What does the scripture say about Phoebe? By the way, let's go to this word that he says. He says the word servant. This word servant is diaconon, which is to serve. Whereby we get the term deaconess or decadent. So she is a servant in the church. Ladies and gentlemen, being a servant is not necessarily a position. Now there is a position in office of a deacon, and we'll talk about that in a little bit. Now he's taking it even further than most. Most would say, here she is, she's a deacon in the church, and you're gonna hear someone else say that she was in charge with giving the scriptures, interpreting the scriptures, and preaching the scriptures. We don't read that in that passage. You guys are eye-sugeting like crazy. It says that Phoebe is a servant of the church. That should be really everybody, but a servant of the church, and to receive her in a manner worthy of the saints. There's nothing, that's not a special title of the saints. That's Christians in a manner worthy of all of the saints that you help her in whatever matter she may have need of. Why? For she herself has also been a helper. So how has she been performing? How has Phoebe been performing? What was her role? She has been helping. She hadn't been leading anybody. She hadn't been over anybody. She hadn't been governing or anything. She hadn't been preaching or teaching. She has just been helping. Why can't we just let the text say what it says, young brother? And I'm gonna assume that you're a brother. You are not a very learned brother when it comes to the scripture because you're making up things. Now we'll go to some more of the other passages that he brings up, or some statements that he bring up because some others are under the same as well. But one that I also wanna address first is, and we'll come to this again, but when Jesus arose, obviously the ladies didn't see him when he originally rose. But they see these men, the matter of fact, let's go to it. Let's go to it. This is in John, no, Mark 16, 7. In Mark 16, 7. But go tell his disciples and Peter, he is going ahead of you to Galilee. So the angels telling the women to go ahead. Now the angels not saying, go and preach the gospel. Now, do we have a problem with the woman actually giving the gospel to somebody? No, but that's not what she's doing. See, to give the gospel to somebody is to somebody that know. Peter and James and Andrew and Bartholomew and Thomas, these disciples, they know the gospel. They're the ones that Jesus selected for three and a half years. Are we gonna say that Jesus said, you know what, even though I was with these men for three and a half years, I should have selected you ladies. I should have selected you. Now, can we also deal with this as well? People are gonna say, well, these women were special because they didn't abandon Jesus. The men did. Are we supposed to give them extra credit because the women stayed there and the men didn't? Are we also to give them extra credit because they showed up at the tomb? No, we don't. No, why? Well, number one, that was the role of the women at that time to go and to prepare the body, even more so to add spice. Now they're wondering who's gonna move the tomb, but that was what the women did. But even more so, at the crucifixion, would they have been looking for the women or would they have been looking for the men? Because there were other men and women there. We highlight those that were following Jesus, but they weren't looking for the women. They wanted Jesus and his disciples, those men. Peter, why do you think Peter denied him? Why do you think they were ganging up on Peter the night that Jesus was portrayed? So they were in fear, obviously for good reason, they were in fear of their life. And so what was told to the women is to go and go tell those men to meet me over here or go tell those men to meet Jesus. That was it. Now, are they gonna naturally have to tell them that Jesus is alive, that he's been risen? Sure, but to say they were the first preachers, they weren't the first preachers at all. As a matter of fact, the first preachers were these very same disciples who went to different parts of the country to preach the gospel, to preach the kingdom of heaven coming. Remember they went to Samaria, they went to other parts of Judea. They were the first. They were the ones that Jesus was empowered and they were the ones that Jesus breathed on and said, received the Holy Spirit and he met them in Acts one and said that you will receive the Holy Spirit in just a few days, not the women, for a particular reason. But now his arguments really aren't that compelling, but others, they tend to make arguments that are compelling. This particular guy right here, he gives his argument and he says there is no restriction on women being pastors. First of all, there is no restricts on who can hold the role of pastor in the New Testament because the role of pastor was not a thing in the New Testament. We made that. Now you're gonna hear this from time to time. People are gonna say that the word or the role of pastor, there were no pastors in the New Testament. We've covered this before. There absolutely are pastors in the New Testament. As a matter of fact, we are going to, we are going to look at what a pastor is according to the Bible. It says, why can't a woman, why can't a woman be a pastor if they are sound and doctrine? Are we not under grace and some women pastors know the Bible better than some men? The issue is not an issue, guys. And that's a good question. It's not an issue of ability. God is not after ability. He's actually after your obedience. I use this example, I'll use it again. If I'm in a small Volkswagen or a Kia or what have you and I'm on the right side lane, the far right lane in the highway and there's this on-ramp and coming up the on-ramp is an 18-wheeler. That 18-wheeler is a lot bigger, a lot more powerful than me and my little car. But it's not an issue of ability or power. It's an issue of the right of way. And my car, I have the right of way. And so who determines the right of way? Not us, but God. As a matter of fact, even in this dispensation of grace this is where we have this spelled out, the rules. There are still rules. There are still things and ways to be done decently and in an orderly fashion. And we don't get to in-round those things simply because someone feels like they are qualified. Now, point of fact, not everyone is qualified male or female but we know who certainly is not qualified. That is everyone that has an XX chromosome makeup. In other words, every woman. There's not one woman according to the scriptures that is qualified, qualified to feel the role of a passion. Let's finish this on what he's saying. That later. Secondly, there is no Bible verse that says women cannot be an elder or a pastor in the entirety of the New Testament. There is no passage that says that only men should be elders. All right, how about we go ahead and start picking this apart right now? He said it, someone else said it. Someone else said, I'm actually gonna come back and say it as well. So when they said, you'll know that well, they're incorrect. So let's go and find what it means to be a pastor. We see this term come up and they'll say the word pastor is not in the scripture except for one time. There's one time that the word pastor shows up. Well, let's see. In Ephesians 411, and he gave some of them as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastor teachers. Now this pastor teacher goes together. So it's not as though that there are five offices that he's speaking of here. There's four. This pastor teacher goes hand in hand. That's important. But this word pastor, if you look on the right hand side, see what this word means. This word is the Greek word for menas. And if you look below me, this word means a shepherd. Someone to shepherd or a shepherd or commonly put a pastor. Well, does that mean that these shepherds, that that is actually an office? Well, yeah it is. As a matter of fact, 1 Peter 5.1. Look at the word that's used here. He says, therefore I exhort elders. Well, we know that elders is an actual biblical office. The word that's used here is presbyterus, presbyterus. And so I exhort the elders among you. Look what he says, as your fellow elder. So Peter also is an elder and witness of the suffering of Christ and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed. Look what he tells the elders to do. There's that word shepherd or poimanate which is from the word poimenas. So he tells the elders to shepherd. What are shepherds? Pastor, so he tells them to pastor or to shepherd the flock of God among you. Exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but voluntarily. So what is an elder? Biblically speaking, an elder is a shepherd. And oh, by the way, this is the only time that we see this as well. As a matter of fact, let's find what Jesus says to Peter. Peter, the very same one that just wrote first Peter. Let's see what else he says. He says in John 21, 16, this is where he says, Peter, do you love me? Notice what he says, he says to him again, I'm sorry, let's go to the first time. He says, do you love me, Peter? He says, you know, I love you, do. I sure, surely I love you. He said to him, well, then tend to my labs. Then he said to him a second time, Simon, son of John, do you love me? He said to him, yes, Lord, you know that I love you. He said to him, shepherd my sheep, pastor my sheep. It's the same word. The same word that's used in Ephesians four, the same word that's used in first Peter, is the same word that Jesus introduced here. Shepherd my sheep, who's a sheep? Us, so I want you, who by the way, is an elder, shepherds. And so the terms are gonna be used either elder, shepherd, presbyter, episcopal. You're gonna see these terms used in different ways, but they mean the same thing. So when you come back and say that the pastor and even the description of a pastor is not in the Bible, you, sir, don't know your Bible, or you are ignoring it. Simply do, just, you know what, you can do a word study. Just a basic word study. Look at the word that's used there in Ephesians four. You find that word shepherd, even if you don't know the Greek, even if you don't know the Greek. But look at that word shepherd. And then just see, is it anywhere else? Is shepherd, by the way, by the way, do we see the word shepherd anywhere else in the Bible? We see that all the time. Now, Jesus obviously is the chief shepherd. He is the shepherd, but there are the under shepherds below us, I mean, below him. Now, we'll get back to that in a second, but you would think that these, if you're gonna be that bold, be bold knowing the scriptures. Does not exist. Three, there are women doing ministry, teaching ministry, leading ministry, church-winning ministry, all over the New Testament. Where? Where, where, where, where, where? Where are women planting churches? Where are women leading? By the way, can I ask you guys a question? I wanna ask you guys a question. I wanna see if you guys can put in the chats. Since women are so prominent, as he says, women are so prominent in leading. And by the way, let me just say this before. Let me, hold on, time out, time out, hold up. Let me, let me just kind of calm down a little bit and make sure you guys don't think that I'm just dumping on women. No, I'm not. Women, I've said it before. Matter of fact, I've said it and there are some men would say, Corey is teaching and women can be pastors. No, I didn't. I said that women can evangelize, women can preach. Let's say we're on the street and somebody is talking about going to heaven. And you got some guys that have no idea what the Bible says. And there's a woman there who was saved. Should she ever at any point in time give the gospel? Should this woman give the gospel to this man or a woman who's sitting there who doesn't know? Yes, and we do have examples. We've never stated that a woman can't give an unbeliever the gospel. No, they're not a part of the church anyway. Just like in John 4, what does a woman go do? She goes and says, listen, I met a man who told me everything, could this be the Christ? And they went, now, did she give them the full gospel? No, but enough to where they went. Can a woman share the good news? Yes, we're all supposed to share the good news. That's not what we're talking about. We're not talking about somebody sharing the good news or we're not even talking about someone giving their testimony. What we are talking about is someone taking leadership and authority. That's what we're saying. Can a woman also pray? Sure, no one. Women are used by God. So it's a false statement that even T.D. Jakes puts out that people are intimidated by women. No, we're not, because what do you say about the other women? The women who will say, no, she can't do that. Are they intimidated by strong women? No, matter of fact, it takes a lot of strength to sit down and be quiet and not try to be something that you're not supposed to be. It takes a lot of strength on the part of a man and a woman because it's a tendency for male and female, not just in pastoring or in church ministry, but just in anything, just to wanna step out there and just say and do something when it's not for you to do so, because you just want to. It takes a lot of strength to kinda hold yourself back. Go to social media. It takes a lot of strength not to comment on some of these things. People just put out things and you're like, I wanna comment. Well, it takes even, it takes more strength to not comment on some of these little goofy posts than it does to comment. Especially considering sometimes you see some of these comments like, wow, you might not have said that comment. You shouldn't have given that comment. But now if you do, that's fine, but just be informed of what you say. And so we're not saying that women can't be used by God. If God can use a donkey again, please stop saying if God can use a donkey. Was the donkey that he used, was that donkey saved? I don't think the donkey that was talking to the lamb, I don't think the donkey's going to heaven. I could be wrong. I don't know what the gospel is to donkeys is. I have no idea what it sounds like. God can use whomever and whatever, doesn't mean that whoever and whatever he uses is going to heaven. The donkey, by the way, didn't give the gospel. The donkey just stopped and asked him, why'd you strike me? That's all. The donkey, let's be clear, the donkey did not give the gospel. Stop saying that statement, please. It sounds even more ignorant the more you say it. But he has he-haw. I knew somebody was going to say that. But now I'm going to ask you guys a question. Here's my question. Since the role of women, particularly women being used in leadership, it's all, as he said, all throughout the scripture. If that's the case, if that is the case, could you all just give me a list of names? Could you give me a list of names of women who are in the Bible in leadership? You can stick with the New Testament you want to, or you can just give me the entire new, the old and new. Let's name some of the women in the Bible that were not necessarily even leadership, but were just being used by God. No, no, you gotta take it back. Let's say in authority. How many people had authority? How many women were given authority in the Bible? I mean, Godly authority, don't include Jezebel. But let's, okay, Ruth, Esther, Deborah. Now, and I've heard Esther before. Esther, did she really have authority? No, she really did not. I'm gonna deal with Deborah in a second, though. I'm gonna deal with Deborah in just a second. Only one Deborah was a judge. We're gonna talk about Deborah in a second. Who else? Everybody, you know why everybody's saying Deborah? It's because not a lot of them. I will, I will, I'll do that, DiAngelo. Miriam, she's one. Holda, what about New Testament? We got all the Mary's, Mary, Mary, all the Mary's. We got Phoebe, we got Dorcas, or Lydia, we got Priscilla. No, we can't use Gomer. Gomer was out in those streets. But she was used to teach her husband a lesson for the benefit of Israel, how God is married to a, how God, not Rhoda, how God is married to an adulterous person. But if we got all of these women, I mean, can we, are there more than 10? Are there more than, now, can you rattle off more than 10 men? Maybe there's 15 women. But can you, how many men can you just rattle off that God used? A lot. So let's go ahead and just dispense, let's end this foolishness saying that how the use of women is all over. Lowest in units, those were Philip's mother and grandmother, but they weren't in leadership. No, something else, let one of these guys tell you. They will, oh yeah, she was, yeah, she was developing leaders. She was in leadership development. The point is, the mountain of evidence of who God used, and guess what? Cause you said God can use anyone and we don't determine who he used. Well, who did he determine to use? Here's the number of men, here's the number of women. While I'm there, Anna as well, there were prophetesses as well. Now, I've stated before what a prophet or a prophetess is. The Bible says that there are gonna be folks that are gonna prophesy, male and females. Those that prophesy aren't necessarily in the office of a prophet. Are you with me? Those that are in the office of a prophet come with authority and leadership. Not just prophesying, on the day of Pentecost, you got all these other folks that are prophesying. The spirit's poured out and you start seeing that. Phillips, Dardas, we don't know who they are. What their names are, they're a prophetess. They've given these revelation. Anybody can give a revelation and the overwhelming majority of revelation or prophecy in the Bible is not foretelling. I mean, foretelling is foretelling. What does say at the Lord? What God has stated? What God has revealed? Why is that important? Because we need prophesy foretelling what God has done at the founding of the church because we don't have any Bibles. And there's not enough apostles to go around to let everybody know what has just happened. More to the point, you got a lot of folks that's really just going to give them their testimony of what God has done and they're reporting it. You need folks to go and get the word out and the church just explodes because of that. But now, that being the case, we don't see a lot of women in being used in the Bible in the way that they're saying. They're enough, they're enough. But let's not act like that was God's preferred method. As a matter of fact, let's go ahead and deal with Debra. Debra makes a statement. Debra makes a statement. By the way, before we even get to her statement, if we were to go to Hebrews 11, we're gonna find that the writer of Hebrews says that he didn't have enough time to speak of and then he goes through these different judges and he mentions Barak and he mentions Samson and he mentions getting. By the way, the judges were not, the judges were getting worse and worse and worse as time went on. And so we get to Debra. Why is Debra a judge? By the way, in Hebrews 11, is Debra mentioned in the Faith Hall of Fame? No, she's not mentioned in Hebrews 11 because of her faith. I'm not saying Debra didn't have faith, that's not what I'm saying. But Barak is the one whose name is mentioned for his faith. And Debra is risen up as a knock against Israel. What did Israel do at this time? Israel had decided to go ahead and to hook up with people that they were supposed to put out. And God said, okay, fine, I'll do you one better. Don't worry about them, they're gonna be here. They're gonna be here and they're gonna antagonize you and their ways are gonna start coming into your ways. One of the first things we see, obviously idol worship and the food they eat and not taking care of the land, but then also women. And so here we've got Debra. Now, I wanna read a passage. I wanna read a passage, this particular passage gets misinterpret often. In Judges, well, I'm sorry, I'm in the wrong chapter. Judges four, let's go there. Now Debra, a prophetess, the wife of Lepidoth was judging Israel at that time. By the way, what's interesting about it, no one really knows how long she judged. Some will say 60, some will say 40, some will say, there's no way, we don't know. We don't even have her day to death. We don't know, we don't know how old she was, any of these things. But Debra was judging Israel. We don't know how she died, the Bible didn't say. She used to sit under the palm tree of Debra between Rama and Bethel in Hill Country, Ephraim, and the sons of Israel came up to her for judgment. In other words, hey, what did God say? What was God saying through you to us? By the way, we find out though, the word of the Lord wasn't being put out that much anyway at that time, even with the judges. The book of Judges starts off by telling us that the word of the Lord was not as plentiful. No, I'm sorry, not judges. First Samuel tells us that the word of the Lord was not as plentiful as it should have been. Starting here in Judges, but that's another side note. So she sent and summoned Barak, the son of Abalom, from Kadesh, Nathalie, and said to him, Behold the Lord, the God of Israel, has commanded, go and march to Mount Tabor and take with you 10,000 men from the sons of Nathalie and from the sons of Abalom. Now, what happens? Barak is afraid of Cicera. Cicera has these 900 iron chariots. They are afraid of him. Barak says in verse eight, If you will go with me, then I will go. But if you will not go with me, I will not go. Barak's a big chicken, fine. But look what she says, and this is where the misinterpretation comes. She said, I will surely go with you. Nevertheless, the honor shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take. For the Lord will sell Cicera into the hands of a woman. Many people mistake that passage to say that the woman that the Lord will deliver Cicera into the hands of is Deborah. No. As a matter of fact, when you go look at the judges, all the judges fight except her. She doesn't, she doesn't fight. So we portray her as this warrior princess. She's not, she's not fighting. She's back at the front lines where every man, I'm sorry, she's back at the back where all the men go forward. Who goes out and fight? Barak literally goes out and does some fighting. He does some killing. But the Bible says that the Lord will sell Cicera into the hands of a woman. Who's the woman? It is not Deborah. Deborah is not that woman. Remember the woman who actually killed him? It was not Deborah. As a matter of fact, let's go to that passage. This particular woman named J.L. She was the one who killed him. The Lord put him into her hands. Is she a judge? No, she is not. He did not get the honor of killing Cicera. This other woman did who he hit, she hit him, gave him some food, covered him up while he was asleep and drove a tent peg into his temple. And then when Barak shows up, hey, there he is, he's in there dead. I killed him. So the honor goes to, as Deborah says, to a woman. Now, is that minimizing Deborah? No, but we're not gonna give anybody in the Bible more credit they deserve or less they deserve. Deborah is doing what she's supposed to be doing. And so God is working through her. But let's not mistake what's happening here in the New Testament. And so are there other women that we can think of? The Mary's, the Phoebras, the darkest of the world, the Priscilla's, the Lydia's? I left out another name that is the name Junior. I'll deal with Junior in just a second. But I wanna finish with my friend because we got a few to go through. This is a common thing in the First Century Church. Later generations tried to squelch that, but the First Century Church was filled with female leadership. And one of the main reasons the Roman Empire was so pissed off at Christians because they would elevate women to positions of teaching them leadership. So the Roman government did not like Christians because of women. So wait a second, all of these other pagan religions that are there that had women as deity or priestesses and so forth, Rome was cool with them, but it's just Christians. This very same Christian group that we can't find a lot of leaders. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, CG, CG said, huh, yeah, my words exactly. My sin is exactly. But now I wanna listen to this guy. This guy, he says something that got me kind of all tingly inside when he makes a statement. Something, okay, let's see where this guy is going. Let's listen to him. But I do not suffer a woman to teach or to use her authority, but to remain silent. If I didn't ask the question, somebody would privately be asking the question. Well, first of all, forgive me for saying this, but if you read that in Greek you find the conjunction between those thoughts. It connects those two thoughts together. The issue is not a woman teaching. The issue is a woman usurping authority. I don't, all right, all right, all right. He, I mean, just made me move a little bit. He said, if you look at the Greek, the conjunction of that, let's, let's, I wanna, let's go back to it. Let's hear what he said again because we're gonna do just what he said. Don't permit a woman to teach with the aim of usurping. Forgive me for saying this, but if you read that in Greek, you find the conjunction between those thoughts. It connects those two thoughts together. The issue is not a woman. So let's go see. He says it connects those two thoughts together. Well, if only we could find somebody that knew just a little bit, a smidgen of Greek. So let's go to it. Paul is making the statement in 1st, Timothy 212. Notice what he says. He says, but I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. So he says these two, let's, let's just, let's just read it in the, in the Greek, shall we? The doc came. Now this is to teach. This is the infinitive. But, but the doc came, which is, which is to teach. They, the doc came, the Nike, Uke, epe, epe, treo, tretoe, which is I do not to teach a woman not to allow, now look what he says. I don't allow a woman to teach, nor athuntane, which is to have authority over a man. So I don't allow her to teach a man and I don't allow her to have authority over a man. That's literally what it says. I don't know what he was trying to say about it. If you look at the Greek, there's a conjunction there. First of all, there is no, is no, there is no, there is no say with them together, you guys, there is no conjunction there that he's talking. I have no idea what he's talking about. I have no idea what he's talking about. Jeff says, say the Greek again. The doc came, the Nike, Uke, epe, trepo, Ude, athuntane, Andros. That's what it is. His name, that's Rick Renner. I don't know who that guy, his name is Rick Renner. Okay, I'll buy that. Rick Renner is wrong. Rick Renner is, he's what we would say back in day, he's whaley, he's just making it up. He is literally, I would love to know where did he get that from? Where did he get that from? But if you say it, and if you say it with some force, then folks will buy it. Now I'm putting it on the screen. I'm putting it on. Could it, Katrina Good question says, could not it mean a wife over a husband? Well, no, here's why. Because when we read the Bible, the Hebrew word and the Greek word, they work the same way. The word for a woman and wife is the same in Hebrew and the same in Greek. Well, how do we distinguish between just a generic or general woman, a woman in general, or a person's wife? Because you'll see it in a genitive or some sort of possessive case, meaning the husband of a wife or, right? So when we look at first time, three, which we're gonna look at, if we say you have to, it's a one-wife husband, we see the genitive, we see that there's been some sort of possessiveness there, right? Here, it's not the case. It does not say that I present, I'm sorry, let me put it on the screen. I am not permitting a wife to teach a woman, I mean, a husband, that's not what's being stated here. I do not allow, they did not contain, they did not gain, I'm sorry, Gennache, but to teach a woman not I allow, nor to teach a man. So now, what we're not seeing, what we can't say is that this is speaking about a husband. First of all, it would make all the other times that it speaks about a woman. It would make it be really, really, really clunky because that would mean that all the other time you see the word woman, that's a wife. No. But what does it say? As a matter of fact, here's how we know it's not speaking about a wife. Let's just read the whole thing kind of in context. Let's start in verse eight. Therefore, I want men. Now, what's the word here? Andros, this is males. I want males in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands. Is he only saying I just want husbands? Well, what about the single men? And in the words of Beyonce, what about all the single ladies? What about the women who aren't married? No, he's speaking, he's talking about males and then he's going to switch to females. Lifting up holy hands without wrath and dissension. Likewise, likewise, I want Nicos women to adorn themselves with proper clothing. It's just wives, no women, period, with modesty and discreetly, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works as is proper for women, not just wives, women making a claim to godliness. Look what he says, a woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. Now, is that just a wife? No, there is a subordination in the genders, according to the scriptures. You can get mad at me? Fine, get mad at me for reading what the Bible says. Because I'm literally reading what the Bible says, I do not allow a woman, not a wife, the whole concept of a wife is not brought up here to teach or to exercise authority over a man. How do we know it's not talking about wives? Because look what he says in verse 13, they tend to leave this off, for it was Adam who was first created and then Eve. So which one was created first? Which one is going to leave first? Adam, what did God say would be the punishment to the woman that he will rule over you and you will go after him? There's going to be this contention, but he will rule over you. Then he says, and it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman deceived and fell into transgression. But women, and by the way, let's see where we find my spot. But they will be saved. Now it's the they, it's not speaking of all the wives, but women will be preserved through the burial of children if they continue in faith. Now I'm not going to go over that part yet. I've covered it before and we'll be here for another 30 minutes trying to unpack that part, but he's talking about women in general. But let's go, let's finish listening to him speak about, well, he already messed up Greek. What else is it going to say? And the issue is a woman usurping authority. I don't permit a woman to teach with the aim of usurping authority. That's what it's talking about. But to remain silent has nothing to do with public ministry. It has to do with the behavior of women in church who have never been in church in their entire life and they don't know how to behave in church. And furthermore, if we're going to be honest about it, the same rules you would apply to a woman are the very same rules you would apply to a man. This, I was drinking my coffee and almost spit it out. The very same rules you apply to a woman are the same rules you apply to a man. Now listen how he puts this because the same rule that a woman should not usurp authority over a man, he says that very same rule applies to a man. Doesn't even make sense. You would not allow a man to teach and to usurp authority. During a church service you would not allow a man to be interrupted and disrupted. The same rule applies to both sexes. You would not allow a man to usurp or to teach, huh? Okay, okay. So if the man isn't gonna do it and the woman, huh? That doesn't even make any sense, friend. That is just, listen, not only did you butcher the Greek, you screwed up the English. This is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. By the way, somebody's gonna keep saying, well, the reason why this was put out, well covers again, the reason why the reason, the man is confused, yes, yes, is yes, Leah. That's a nice name, yes, Leah. They'll say things like this, because of the condition what was happening in Corinth, and Ephesus, I guess, that Paul had these rules for just them, couple things. Where in scripture does it tell us that the women were so out of order? Can someone find the passage where it says the women were so out of order? They were doing all kind of crazy stuff. Can you find that passage? Where is the passage that says they were so out of order that this is only applying to women? Oh, by the way, we find out that the biggest problem that Paul's always addressing is men. But he never says, men, you be quiet too. But we'll come to that even more so. And so let's go to some more, because I think with each passing clip, each person tries to become or sound a little more intellectual. And I think they do a good job of trying to sound intellectual, but upon further review, no bueno. Upon further review, no bueno. I like this guy, this guy, his face is literally in the camera. I mean, inch or two away from the camera. And he seems pretty confident in what he's saying. Women can be pastors. There's not a single verse of the Bible which says a woman cannot be a pastor. As a matter of fact, when we search the Bible in the New Testament epistles for the word pastor, we only find it once in Ephesians. Now, I got a couple of things, not that he's so close to the script, to the screen, but I'm not sure if he's bald. And if he's bald, why are you covering up? That, yeah, that's my only gripe. That's not my only gripe, but still. Now, surrounding this verse, do we see any list of authority for a pastor? No. So he's one of these guys that says that there is no authority for the pastor. However, we've already covered the role of a pastor, what a pastor is. And we'll go back through it again for those that may have come in late or want to just have it reiterated. Do we see any list of qualifications such as you can only be a male or a female? No. We don't even see any duties listed of a pastor. I just want to come back on screen and just sigh. I just want to come back on the screen and sigh. Our modern church has turned this word pastor into a king in the church, but Jesus will have nothing to do with that. Pastors aren't in charge of anything and there's nothing. All right, okay, I got to say something. He says pastors are not in charge of anything. Okay, well, first of all, let's go back down memory lane or through the scriptures again. Remember, this word pastor comes from the Greek word Poimenas in Ephesians 4. Let's look at it again. And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets and some as evangelists and in this group right here, pastor teacher. By the way, this word pastor teacher, they go together, pastor teacher. That word for pastor is the word Poimenas, which means shepherd. And what is a shepherd? According to Peter, a shepherd is an elder. Peter is greeting and exhorting all the other elders who even himself also is a fellow elder. And what does he tell the elders to do to shepherd the flock? What's the word that's for shepherd here? It says same word for Poimenas. And oh, by the way, this word Poimenas, these elders, what are elders supposed to do? In 1 Timothy 517, the elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor. So they do rule, this word that's used for rule means to lead to rule, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. So this smiling fellow here, I don't know his name, so we'll just call him smiling fellow. He's our brother in the Lord we believe. But smiling fellow says there are no, there's no rules. He doesn't rule. We don't have qualifications. We don't see what he does, but it just says that in terms of giving honor to these elders who are leading, why? Because they work hard at what? Preaching and teaching. And what is the job of what goes along with it? What is a pastor teacher called? What's the office called? Pastor teacher, shepherd teacher. That's why when we look at the qualifications of an elder, the qualifications that is he must be able to teach. He must be able to teach. Joan asks, is it possible that the church of that time in past teachings, I'm sorry, is it possible that that was a culture at that time in past teachings? You have stated so. Cultures do evolve. There was a certain culture and sometimes the culture does matter. Here's what we do know. When we get a letter that is given to the entire body, it transcends just that culture, especially with every last one of these people. These people believe in things such as tongues. And do you know where they tend to go to for tongues? They go to acts, that culture, but even more so first Corinthians 12, 13, and 14. Now, I think they abuse that. But if you're going to apply first Corinthians to your doctrine as it relates to tongues or marriage or anything else, you can't dismiss the other parts of that which is cultural. Now, there's some cultural aspects that you realize that can't carry forward. For example, when it talks about braided hair, he's talking about an ornate style of really decorative, how you do so, because there were braids in the Old Testament that weren't considered a sin. Braids are never considered a sin. It's just how they do it even today. And so in that regard, but if we're going to say that that portion of, I know that's not what you're saying, but if we're going to say that portion of that passage or that scripture or that book is only for them, then what about anything regarding tongues? What about anything regarding anything else they wanna care for? You can't pick and choose which parts of that letter that Paul has given. You can't pick and choose. Now, Paul has written to the church a few times, the church in Corinth. We have two of his letters, but first Corinthians is not his first letter. It might've been second or third of Corinthians because he talks about how he previously spoke to them. And so even when he gets to chapter 12, he says, now concerning. You'll see this brought out. Now concerning, now concerning. So he's covered this before. So I wrote you in the past. And so he's written before it. So everything that Paul has stated before, that we don't have, those were the things that might've been for them. But we can't come back and say that that was just for them. Well, then all going up, then that means the whole Bible. We have to do the same way. Now, excuse me. If there is a primary application, that's for just them. That's fine. We can distinguish between a primary application and a secondary application. But Paul is not giving a primary application for just them. Excuse me. Paul is not doing that. Paul is, and how we know so, is because he doesn't just say this in first Corinthians. He says it in Ephesians. This is also brought up in 1 Timothy. This is also brought up in Titus. And so we can't just say it's just for that group. Are you with me? Oh, by the way, in Acts, when they first chose beacons, who did they choose? When, as the body is growing and you need people to help, who did they choose? Well, they stated specifically to choose males, not men in general, just generically, males. And so there's another issue there, even in Acts. We see that as well. Oh, by the way, you just have to ignore the fact that the process that God went through to pick men and not women, we can't just all of a sudden ignore that. Well, that was just in that culture. Well, then why didn't God do it in other cultures? He did. So let's go back to our good smiling friend. There's nothing in the Bible which says a pastor has to be a male. Some people will go to 1 Timothy 2 and say, Paul said a woman can't teach or exercise authority over a man. Yes, the keyword is over, over. There was a group trying to overthrow Timothy and his group of the ecclesia. This is why Paul said don't let them teach or assume authority over. Okay, they went with this over stuff again. Went over first. Let's do it again. We've been over it again. He's not saying just to teach over a man, but he's also saying to teach a man. I do not allow a woman to teach. I do not allow a woman. Now, here's how we know the separator. The Doscain is here. See what's highlighted? Don't get, the day is not an issue. The day is a post-pository. It actually goes in front of this. So the Doscain, Gnake, Gnake. So to teach a woman, not I allow. This word right here or to have authority over a man. So I do not allow you to teach a man and I allow you to have authority over him. Are you with me? Do not do that. Amen, amen. So let's go back to our good smiling friend. Titus wasn't even a pastor. At least there's no evidence for that in scripture again. Okay, this is just silly because Timothy is, Titus is, these are elders. They are going and choosing other elders. They are planning churches. And Paul, by the way, he makes a silly statement. Is this not even a pastoral letter? Yesterday, well, it's not a pastoral letter. Yes it is. As a matter of fact, funny thing is he's literally teaching Titus and Timothy how to select pastors to plant the church. And he says to choose faithful men to do so. Those men that are gonna be faithful to the text. If only you, sir, were faithful to the text. Again, the word pastor is only used in Ephesians chapter four. Others will say, first Corinthians 14, Paul said, a woman must be silent in the church. Well, what's the context of this section of scripture? The Corinthians going crazy. Everybody was struggling with gluttony, alcoholism. Everybody was over talking. Everybody else, there was no order in this church. Paul said, if you guys had visitors, they're gonna think you're mad. Okay, again, where do we get this from? He's making them to, everybody was gluttonous. Everybody, okay, there were some issues in Corinth, but it's not like every single Christian, there was just out of their mind. Stop that. Again, again, where are the passages that says that these women were so bad that they were just, where does that come from? As a matter of fact, what we see are the men, if anybody, if we can glean anything out of this, we see the men are more out of order than the women. As a matter of fact, let's go to 1 Corinthians 14, 34. The women are to keep silent. Now, by the way, let's back up, let's back up. He doesn't give any sort of gender as to who is violating these previous passages. He says, where you can all prophesy one by one so that they may all learn and all may be exhorted. And the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace as in all the churches of the saints. The women are to keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves just as the law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home for it is proper for a woman. I'm sorry, for it is improper for a woman to speak in church, in the assembly. Now, it doesn't mean that she can't say any words, but in this case, it's obviously that her... It's what she's saying, how she's saying. That's the only interpretation you can get because in chapter 11, and maybe, and I might, and guess what? I could be wrong on that. Why? Because we go to 1 Corinthians 11, chapter, I'm chapter 11 verse two. Now, I praise you because you remember me and everything and hold firm into tradition just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, in the word is Andros, male, and the man, I near man, is the head of a woman. Now, is this a wife? Okay, fine, let's see. And God is the head of Christ. Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgrace his head. Is he saying every husband? No, he's not. There is the difference between male and husband is not there. He's speaking of every male, not husband, but male, but every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgrace his head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is unshaped, or I'm sorry, whose head is shaped. Now, what don't we see here? Where is this prophesying taking place? Does anyone, can anyone tell me as we, and I'm moving the passage along, do we see where this prophesying is taking place? Where the woman is praying and prophesying out loud? Where is it taking place at? Is this taking place in the church or just in general? Does it say it's taking place in the church? It does not, does it? It does not say that this woman who's prophesying or praying, it doesn't say that she's in the church or not. So we can't come back to chapter 14 and say, yeah, that's only if she's getting out of line in the church. Someone says, keep reading. Okay, I'll keep reading to where? Verse 17, but in, in giving this instruction, I do not praise you because you come together, not for the better, but for the worse. For in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that the division is among you, for there must be factions among you. Well, so are you saying that this 17 goes along with other parts? No, it wouldn't, you know what? It may or may not. It may or may not. And so I wouldn't have a problem conceding. I would say that it's hard to say if this is actually saying that this is in the actual church because we say, okay, but if one is inclined to be contingent, we have no other practices nor have the other churches. It's not necessarily saying that she was in the church. This is saying all the other congregations all over the land, are you with me? So the church over here or the church. So if I say the church at Ephesus, I'm not necessarily saying that coming together the actual local assembly on that day. It's not what I'm saying. So the church at Ephesus, though there are many folks in Ephesus or the church at Galatia or the church in Corinth, there are many people, not just one local body with me. And so when he says, but if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice nor have the churches of God. So anywhere else, any of the other assemblies. Now, by the way, if you can't follow this, Paul has a problem with you. But if one is inclined to be contentious about what? About what he just said. If you are that inclined to be contentious, he says, and we have no other practice nor have the churches of God. We got a problem here. Don't go and start doing what you want to just because you feel like it's okay. And so far, this guy has just, he's all over the place. He has not given any defense. He's just simply said that the Bible doesn't say what women can't know the Bible actually. We'll go over the qualifications in a second. As a matter of fact, no, let's go over the qualifications now. Since we know, we've already read that a pastor is a shepherd. A shepherd is an elder. Peter tells us that an elder is a shepherd and they are told to, the elders are told to shepherd the flock. Peter is told by Jesus to shepherd the sheep. So what are the qualifications? What are the qualifications? So let's go to Titus. Look what he says. For this reason I left you in Crete, I left who in Crete, Titus. Why? That you should set an order what remains and appoint elders. So clearly Titus is an elder. He's appointing elders in every city as I directed you. Namely, if any man, and now the word is T, so it's not necessarily a male there, but we're gonna find out that it is a male. If any male is above reproach, the husband, the anir of one wife. So the meas, gneikas, anir. So it's the husband, anir. So a male. You have to be a male of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dispensation or rebellion for the overseer. Wait a second, this word overseer. Where is this word also? Well, let's go find this word. Let's type in, let's find a, let's type in this pass right here. Let's go here. Let's go to 1 Timothy 3 and let's see if that same word is used here. Oh, okay. It is a trustworthy statement if a man aspires to the office of overseer. This Greek word right here is episcopace. So let's go back over here. He just stated that for the overseer, so episcopon is the same word. So guess what? An overseer, an elder, a shepherd, pastor, the exact same thing. The same thing. Stop with the foolishness or at least you guys don't even give them attention to listen to these people that would make these sort of statements. A pastor, elder, shepherd, episcopos, overseer, same. And there are the qualifications. What are the qualifications going back to it? Must be above reproach. The husband of one wife, same thing over here in 1 Timothy, temperate, prudent, respectful, hospitable, able to teach. A lot of these guys, they get up there saying stuff and they're not backing it up. Say what you want to say, but at least make sure you've got some scripture to go along with it. Now, one of my favorite, and we're going to come through our favorite lady in a second, the one that you guys really want to hear. I know who you really want to hear. We're getting to her in just a second. Ephesians chapter four, verse 11 says, and Christ himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors, and some teachers. The title pastor here is not attributed to men or women. Therefore, we must use other passages to help us interpret passages that are seemingly ambiguous. So when you go through all those other passages before you get to Ephesians, you have to do so just kind of ignorantly or intentionally ignorant. I don't want to, I'm going to stick my finger in my ear. I want to make my point. So I'm going to assume that these passages don't mean what they say. So here's what we definitively know. In the Old Testament, as well as the New Testament, women occupy every other role in the previous list from the scripture I just read in Ephesians. No woman in the Old Testament occupied the prophetic role of, or the role of prophet, like a Jeremiah, like an Ezekiel, like a Nahum, like an Obadiah. You had these women who God might use to speak through, but not in terms of leading the nation and being the direct conduit like Jeremiah. Are you with me? Like Daniel. You don't see, so you can't make that statement either. You cannot make that statement either, Mr. Signorelli. Ephesians. Junior is a female apostle according to Romans. Okay. This is where he, Junior, first of all, we have no idea. Let's go to Junior. This is in chapter 16 of Romans. I think it's verse three. Is it verse, or is it verse five? No, I'm sorry, verse seven. Verse seven. So he says, greet Androcanus, I'm sorry, Andronicus, and Junius, my kinsmen, so they're Jews, and my fellow prisoners who are outstanding among apostles. This is a couple of things. One, the name Junior, we have no idea what Junior was. We don't know if Junior was a male or a female. Well, the name is Junius or Junior because the name is feminine. We'll take it that that must be a woman. No, it's not. There are a lot of words that are feminine that are referring to someone in the mask that are referring to a male. The Hebrew word for Abba, I mean for father, Abba. That's a feminine name, a feminine word, but that can only be applied to a male. So sometimes because the word is feminine, that doesn't mean the person is a woman. Are you with me? Secondly, this does not say, let me repeat, this does not say that Junior is an apostle. Greet Andronicus and Junior. My kinsmen and fellow prisoners who are outstanding among, this is important guys, who are outstanding among the apostles in Toys Apostoloids. So these were people who were among the apostles. They were never called apostles. The church never recorded them to be apostles. They were just simply outstanding. Whatever their service was, was outstanding among the apostles. That's it. So Junior is not an apostle. Let's continue listening to Mike Signorelli. They were functioning as evangelists, fine, fine. I don't have a problem with that because guess what women can be? Women can be evangelists just like men can be. There are no set qualifications for evangelists for male or female. They're just not, okay? So I'm not gonna fight them on that. But where they're trying to go with that is to make it as though that they are in the office of something special where they're leading. Who did the woman at the well lead? Who was she teaching or having authority over? Who didn't marry or the other marries? Who did other women? Who did they have authority over? Who were they leading? No one. Let me just say it again, no one. Priscilla is a female teacher according to Acts 1826. Priscilla is a female teacher because she's teaching with her husband. That's it. Let's not glean more out of it than that's actually there. In case that's not enough, a woman named Phoebe is a teacher according to Romans chapter 16 as she is tasked with delivering, reading and interpreting the letter to her audience as well. Now, Phoebe, he gave a lot to Phoebe. She is tasked with reading, interpreting, delivering. Let's just read what it says about Phoebe. Chapter 16 verse one, I command our sister Phoebe. I'm sorry, I commend to you our sister Phoebe who is a servant in the church. That's it. She's not reading anything. She's not preaching. She's not teaching. She's delivering. If anything, she's delivering something. And we don't know if she's delivering. What we do know is she's a servant. I commend her to you. Hey, here's Phoebe. Y'all take care of her. If Phoebe was a leader, would they have to be told to take care of her? No, she's a leader. So that's the, no, no, Mike, you guys are. As was tradition. The context and the precedent of Ephesians 411 implies that the role of pastor can and will be filled by a woman. Yet, instead, we see no pastor in the New Testament of a woman. But now, I wanna go ahead and get to the lady of the hour. I don't know this, I'm gonna have to find out who this young lady is. I'm gonna have to find out who she is because she is wonderful. She is bless your heart, wonderful. As we say here in the South, bless your heart, sweetheart. Okay, I'm 100% on this, like 100%. If you're one of those people that believes that women aren't supposed to preach or that women can't be pastors. Yeah, I'm 100% that you're going to hell. Like I'm 100% you're going to hell. That is a bold statement. If you believe that women can't be a pastor, you are going to hell. Wow, you are going to hell if you believe that women can't be, not just a simple disagreement, but no, not only that, you are going to hell. But would you like to hear her explanation as to why yours truly, as I'm sure many of you all are going to hell? Why are you guys, why are we going to hell? Well, let's ask her. Nothing less than if your heart will get into her then. So if you have iniquity in your heart, you're going to hell. A pure heart, God have a pure heart. And I might do it then, that might do it. And it's just that simple. So number one, the biggest thing, where this is really rooted in, why people think women can't preach is ultimately pride. Okay, even though in the Bible, time and time again, God has used women for his glory. God has never been picky who he uses for his glory. He'll use a child. Okay, first of all, number one, no one's ever said that women can't be used for his glory. But then you say that God has never been picky. He literally has been picky. If you say God has never been picky about choosing who's going to serve him, he literally has been picky. And who has he been picky about choosing men? That's literally what he's been. When Jesus came on, he could, there was nothing to stop him from choosing a woman. I mean, they were going to crucify him anyway. There was nothing to stop him from choosing a woman. There was nothing to stop the church after the founding of the church to choose a woman. Nothing. But apparently though, Paul is going to hell. Child, he'll use an old man. He'll use a woman. He's not prejudiced at all. If someone has a heart after his own, he will use them, okay? So what you're saying is you're literally trying to tell God how to do his job. No, you're telling God how to do his job. He literally says what he wants. And you're saying, if we repeat that, we're going to hell. No, you are to, see, bless her heart. Bless her heart. She's a cute young lady. We got some single men in the chat. We got some single men. Let me see if I can get ahold of her and then see if I can hook. I know a couple of you guys are single. She seems to love the Lord. She just doesn't know the Bible. Maybe some of you guys can help her out because this young sweetheart is off. This young sweetheart is off. Just like Lucifer. Lucifer, pariah, got into Lucifer's heart. He decided that he could do God's job better than his and try to usurp the throne. That's exactly what you're doing. I don't know. I don't think that's what we're trying, we're not trying to do God's job. All we're doing, and let's just say we're wrong. If we're wrong, then all we're saying is this is how we see it. I could be, you know, I could be wrong. I don't think I'm wrong on this though, but it could be wrong. I'll tell you why I think this is an important issue in just a second though, but if I were wrong or others are wrong, you mean to me, now we have to go to hell? Cause we're being prideful. We're like Lucifer, the spirit of Luke course. Now she also believes in casting demons on this and that, whatever, so okay. In the realm of the spirit, your mind is no better than Lucifer's. You actually have the heart of a demon, okay? Now what business does the heart of a demon have in heaven? No business, out of whatsoever. Number two, you're extremely ignorant. I would just love to have her. I would love to have her. I'm gonna do my very best to reach out to her. I would love to have her come and share with us her wealth of understanding of the Bible. Since we're ignorant, I would just, and by the way, I put it out there. I will keep looking. I want a woman. You all find out if you can help me out. Any woman who believes or she's a pastor wants us or believes that women can be pastors and she's a pastor herself or in ministry leadership, I would like to talk to her. I would like to talk to her. Hey, Rishan, you're single, right? Last I checked, I don't know. Things might've moved. Don't know, but if not, I know you're still relatively young. She looks pretty young. So let's see if we can do some matchmaking for you. Or it's not like no, no, no, or maybe it's not like maybe, maybe, anyway. God has used generals in the faith. Women with power has anointed them with their Holy Spirit. Now, this is about to get done. If you think it hadn't got done yet, this, where she's getting ready, how she is going to prove her point. Because you would think, because we are ignorant, because she says we are just ignorant. Now, if I'm, you know, you get a little bold, you get a little bold and you start, you know, stepping out there and wanting to get to the name, calling this and that or whatever, fine, fine. She's getting out there. And if I'm gonna ever say that, hey, you're ignorant, then shouldn't I just give you the scriptures to show? What I've done, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. We've covered 14 passages, that's four, actually more than that. 15, and then some of them twice. No, 16, 16 passages, because I want to just go and just see if I'm ignorant, I'll just, here, here's the scripture. So you would think that if she's gonna prove to us that we're ignorant and demonstrate it, that she would go to the scriptures. Ooh, this is this new way of doing the Bible. Don't use the Bible. I bet you don't even know who Amy Simple McPherson is. I bet you don't even know who she is. I bet you don't. I bet you don't even know who Amy Simple McPherson is. I bet you don't know who she is. Yeah, because you're ignorant. You don't know, not Peter, not Paul. You don't know who Amy Simple McPherson is. You know, I bet you don't know. Don't even know who Pauly Wigglesworth is. Or Matham Gouya, I bet you don't even know. I bet you don't know who Pauly Wigglesworth is. I bet you don't know who Tyrone from Detroit is. Or what about Little Willie from South Dallas? I bet you don't know who he is. Yeah, I bet you don't know about Big Frank. I know you don't know who Big Frank is. I bet you don't know who Charlie is. You know, my cousin, Charlie. So, what does that, first of all, Amy Simple McPherson and Pauly Wigglesworth. These were faith healers. Amy died of an overdose, drug overdose. We know that about her. We're supposed to follow her. Ms. Wigglesworth, faith healer also. She died of illness. Where's their faith? Then she goes to the Queen of Women Heretics. Bet you don't, I bet you don't. Cause isn't that, isn't that, isn't that a read, isn't that what an adult does? I bet you didn't know. I bet you didn't know. Well, how about the scriptures? I bet you don't even know, right? Catherine Coleman was one of the greatest evangelists of all time. All right, this is where I, you know, I almost just pushed the whole computer off the desk. She said Catherine Coleman. She literally said Catherine Coleman. And healed over two million people through her ministry. So you're going to tell me that Jesus is going to use her, but you don't want to use her? Yeah, that's- I don't think Jesus used any of them. That's what I think. You said she healed over two million, find us one. Just, just one. Just one and give us, not someone saying, I want documentation. Cause as of yet, you guys don't do that. Bless her heart. Bless her heart. That's cracked out. That's literally so cracked out. Okay. And number three, I think at its core, it really is jealousy. I think a lot of men are very, very jealous when women can preach, right? Because they don't understand that it's the anointing of the Holy spirit that empowers you to speak in front of a people that gives you boldness, that gives you fire. And so they don't understand that. So all they see is the authority. They see that authority of Jesus coming out of a woman instead of just seeing the authority of Jesus. I have seen some very powerful and authoritative speakers in the past. Can I give you some powerful authoritative speakers? And I mean the kind that can move a nation. Now how about Adolf Hitler? Say what you want to say. Evil wicked, but he was certainly a powerful speaker, led some people, caused a lot of folks to follow him whole. Matter of fact, what? How many millions died because of him? Because of his leadership? Oh, you mean somebody in the church or the professed church? What about Jim Jones? Good day, David Koresh. So stop just because someone can get up and speak with some authority and passion and even have some people follow them like TDJ said earlier. Having 40,000 people follow them. That doesn't mean anything. I'm gonna tell you this again. If you see some sound doctrine and you see some false doctrine, you're gonna see the false doctrine increasing more and more. Each day you'll see more of a growth. Sound doctrine, you'll see it wane more and more. It'll go by the wayside. Why? Because Paul, Paul. I bet you didn't know this person. I bet you didn't know Paul. Paul said that the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but they will have itching ears. They don't look for folks just like you. Look for folks just like you. And that, that is the problem. When you can't see Jesus, it's because you don't know him. You can't see Jesus in that woman. All you see is a woman. That's because you don't know my Lord. His sheep will know his voice. So yeah, y'all, think about repenting for this if you think this way. I would really, really seek the Lord for this because I don't want you in hell. Love you so much. I like a little condescending way at the end, which is fine. Listen, sweetheart, no problem. I'm gonna look for her. I'm gonna look for her. I wanna test because what I found out is this. Many of those people that are so bold will not sit and use their boldness and understanding and spiritual leading in the scriptures. Rodney, I know you're playing. Rodney, I'm gonna assume Rodney is joking. Rodney, please tell me. Rodney, please tell me you're joking. By the way, if you guys have any questions or any comments, if Corey, you are wrong. Corey, you are wrong. Then let me know. Let me know how and why. I think, I don't know. I think Rodney might believe that, okay. And so, hey, Corey, this is why you, Corey, please, this is where you're wrong. This is where you're wrong. But here's why this is a problem. Because if you're gonna start taking, now listen, these are one of the clear things. We literally have qualifications. We literally have qualifications in the scriptures to tell us what an elder, a pastor, a shepherd, a teacher. We literally have these qualifications and people have decided I'm gonna ignore them. Why? Because I wanna preach. Because I wanna do it my way. No, let's just be clear. Can we just, as I say, keep it a hundred, keep it a buck, keep it real, tell the truth, shame the devil. You're the ones that might be going to hell. Because if you decide that you get to usurp, not our authority over a man, usurp the word and teach differently, well, then there's no hope for you. See, this is what I'm talking about, Rodney. This is the problem with the church. Because I guess you're serious. If they're called to preach, let them preach. We are able to minister, okay. You can, listen, give the gospel if you want to. No one's stopping that. But you can't stand up in the pulpit and do it. You can't lead the church. You can't teach in the church. You cannot do that. Are you not reading what we just read? I didn't make up these, listen, I didn't put this off wrong here. I didn't make up them, I didn't write it. Rodney, the words are clear. And here's the danger, Rodney and everyone else. If you are going to say, yeah, but let them teach, let, no, what harm? Listen, what's the point of having the Bible? Why have the Bible if we're not going to follow it? I need the clip. I need the RC Sproul clip. What's wrong with you people? What is wrong with you if you think it's okay to ignore what the scripture say just because some woman, some women, or some men want to say it's okay? None of them wrote the Bible. I don't care how they feel. I don't care how great of a teacher they are. I don't care who their father is, because let's be clear also. Can we just, since we're gonna keep it clear, or make it clear, let's be honest. Most of these women that we're seeing, most of them, their daddy, their husband, or someone else kind of opened the door. You wouldn't know who Sarah Jakes was if it wasn't for her father, who's also a heritage. We're not talking about the pulpit. Come on, Rodney, listen, we're focusing on you, Rodney, if you're gonna say something silly, we're gonna have to deal with it. Rodney, the pulpit I'm just using just as a term, but you cannot leave the church. You cannot get before the church if you are a woman and leave them, teach them. Are you with me now? Take the pulpit out. You cannot do that. She cannot do that. No woman can do that. Now, do you disagree? If you disagree, Rodney, please give us a scripture or just simply, with all due respect, brother, shut up. I know that's mean, that's harsh, but you're dealing with the word of God and you're gonna say no, forget what the Bible says. I think it's okay. With all due respect, as like Paul said, with all due respect, be silent, hush. Cause what you're doing is not embarrassing you, you are actually enraging God because you're gonna use, unless you can give me a scripture, forget your feelings, forget that. And we've literally gone over everything that they've said. We've covered their scriptures. We cover their scriptures and look at them and see that they're all wrong. And so for you to come back and say, or anyone, and it's not just you, it's not just you, for you to come back and say, but, but, but. So Rodney, do us a favor, give us a scripture. Give us something to go off of what you're saying. I don't want to believe that you are this up to us when it comes to the scripture. I don't wanna believe that you are this rebellious when it comes to scripture. I don't wanna believe that you are going to get the scripture intentionally. I don't wanna believe that. So could you please, even if, even if you got a scripture and you got it wrong, that saves you. That helps you out. But if you don't have a scripture, if you're like, I don't care, I just feel this way, well, that's even worse. But at least if you got a scripture that you even kinda twisted it. Give us that. Give us that. But don't give your opinion. Please don't. The gift of teaching wasn't given to just men. It was given to the body of Christ. I didn't say that women couldn't teach. I say that women couldn't teach men. Rodney, are you, Rodney? I love you. I do, which is why I'm being harsh. Which is why I'm being harsh. Rodney, can I ask you a question? Or anyone else? Can a person who really knows the Bible but just got saved, could they teach? Could they be a pastor? I'm asking you. Could a person who really knows the Bible, they were brought up in church, wasn't really feeling it, we didn't really know it. But they knew the scriptures, they were taught, they were brought up reading it and understood it, but they never placed their faith in Christ. But then, I don't know, January 1st, decide to place their faith in Christ. And then I don't know, October 1st decided to become a pastor, start teaching. Can they do so? No, they cannot. They cannot. Uh-oh, I pushed the wrong one. Ryan says, and she's correct, no new converse. Where is that found at? Best found in the same place where the prohibition for women. And it's not a knock against women. It's not a knock against strong women and so forth or being jealous. Why, if you're not going to use the Bible, hold on one second Rodney, hold on. Y'all excuse me, I got, I need to say this with some emphasis. Hold on Rodney, this is for you. Rodney, if you're not going to use the Bible, you ready? Rodney, if you're not going to use the Bible, if you're not gonna listen to the Bible, then what the hell are you doing? And I meant it just that way. What in hell are you doing? Because what you're doing is not godly, it's not biblical, it is straight from hell. So, Rodney, if you're not going to use the text, what in hell are you doing? Did that grab you, did that do something for you? Give me a text or please be quiet, Rodney. I've gotta get that, you know, I've gotta find that. What's wrong with you people? I've got, note to self, get that so I can just play that. This is serious. You know why this is serious, guys? Because go and look at the condition of many of our churches. You are finding churches that were previously sound, previously sound churches. And we're gonna cover this a little later on, probably in the next, not soon, but probably the next month or so, we're gonna cover this and you're gonna find something that is similar in churches that were once sound, because there's a lot of churches that were sound and had moved away from being sound. You're gonna find a lot of churches that were never sound to begin with, some that are kind of quasi, they're flirting with a little of this, a little of that. You're gonna find one common, for the most part, common denominator, this acceptance of women to lead and to preach in the pulpit. You're starting to see a lot of, I thought this church was, this was, what happened? Guys, I can't tell you how many churches that I thought were sound. I go to my federal tour and come back and they have lost their mind, what has happened? And then you go, oh, they've got this happening here. They all might not be on tides and offering. They all might not be on tongues. They all might be, they all might have different little issues that have crept in, but one common issue that is creeping in all of them is this, which tells you something. If you are going to nullify the Bible in this area, then you can start doing it everywhere else. If God's word doesn't mean what it says here, then it doesn't mean what it says over there. And that's the point. And I mean, I mean to be this direct. I mean to be this direct. I'm not, and I'm not, listen, I'm in a good mood. I promise you, I'm in a good mood. But the fact of the matter is the biggest problem with the church, you know the reason why the church is acting the way it's doing? You know the reason why the church has all of these false teachers in it? Because you got all of these false converts in it. The reason why you've got people that don't have a problem with getting up and preaching a false gospel, because you got a lot of folks in it that don't care about the true gospel. There's a lot of people in the church that the church will lead when time comes, the church will lead them to take in the mark. You know why? Well, what difference does it make? What difference does it make if we take the mark? Because what difference does it make if we've accepted that Jesus is not God, or we've accepted women, we've accepted that the scriptures aren't always true. We've accepted that the scriptures are not inerrant. We have accepted that the church has no authority. We have accepted everything. So yeah, when the time comes, because all of you are wondering, a lot of us wonder, what's wrong with the churches? It's not, guess what? It's not the pastors, it's the members, because I can promise you, the Creflo Dolls of the world, the TD Jakes of the world, the Sarah Jakes of the world, the whoever you can think of, the Benny Hens of the world, the Mike Todd's and Todd White's of the world, they can't preach unless they've got some ears to hear what they're shoveling, and that's just a fact. Amen.