 Yeah, there's like friends hanging out. Yeah. Oh, that sounds nice. Hang out at the party. Here we go. Ugh. What a set of days it's been. It has been a crazy set of days. And there's plenty of crazy days to come. It's so funny being like a, you know, man of the whole EFAP channel, getting that like descent with the director, and then suddenly an insane back and forth between myself and several others screaming about taking content away from everybody and stuff. It's just like, what the fuck's going on? But here we are. That's the miracle adventure of EFAP, I suppose, or just the internet. Definitely. There we go. As soon as that discourse blew up, I was like, Mahler's going to be here. I can sense it. You can smell it. What is crazy, because the two groups, if that could be said as a thing, and just fucking moving further and further away from each other or remotely understanding each other, we'll say after that debate, I have more understanding of the position of why I should be allowed to steal everybody's stuff, but it's still, fuck no. I mean, I understand the position. Mahler specifically. Just you. Be careful here. Just me. Well, there was so many interesting tidbits about that conversation, which was uploaded, what, like six hours ago? So, EFAP Chat, you should have watched that already. That's how that works, I guess. Where it was like, the implication was, so if everyone can do it then, like stealing stuff, because they have the community aspect, transforming the content. And XUC said like, no, no, no, no. It needs to be like the higher up people, because they need to have the community in the first place. It's just like, I feel like this will be a bit top heavy in terms of who it's gonna benefit as a whole system. Well, he said it's very top heavy. He said it's very top heavy in Capitalist, because that's a big word. That is a big word. This is still a big word. It's a big word for XUC, that's pretty impressive. And it bothered me that the only person in that conversation that actually correctly pointed out that XUC was not being capitalist, what was being like a leftist in that conversation was Pisco, who was probably the most left-wing person in the conversation. That part was funny as fuck where he said, are you guys communists? I was like, wait, like the basis of capitalism is property rights and you're talking about taking someone's property without like their permission. They're intellectual property. But it'll make the world a better place, Siege. Not a... He's going corontos with the sane person opinions. What the fuck's happening? I know. But also you are taking the labor of others, right? You're benefiting off the labor of others. So that's a capitalist, right? I'm throwing you under the bus, Chad, you communist. I was actually just gonna mention that I should never take the labor of others. You know, I think the same people, depending on their political identity, might conceptualize the same thing as either property or labor. They could. It was a lot, really. It was a lot. Well, we're gathered here today to discuss the insane development in the react sector of the whole YouTube. I like that it's a funeral. It is. It's a funeral for... It's a funeral for winning us the death of content. The death of reason. All the content ever. I was brought to a point in that conversation where I was told just having chat on the screen, no matter what you're looking at, means you've transformed it, meaning it's yours now. That was insane. Wow. Really? Just having a chat scrolling? Just chat. And I even said at one point, couldn't I just at that point just... It doesn't even need to be chat that relates to the fucking video. I could just have chat in general. They're all just saying random shit. If I transformed it now. It's a different world. Like this thing, we're from the EFAP world where we've got pretty, I would say, I guess relatively high standards on how to transform stuff. To the point where if someone's talking once per two minutes, we're like, yeah, this is a bit uncomfortable. You're kind of basically just taking the video. Meanwhile, in their world, it's like I cannot talk for the whole thing. I can... He even made a point about how his chair... People get mad. People get mad when you pause it. That too, yeah. I was gonna say that... He said his chair like adds more than most YouTubers or whatever. He was very... Yeah. I recall Mahler at one point, I wanted to start doing live reactions myself. So I asked you, what was the rules? Like how do you not get copyright struck? And you basically said, pause constantly, which is the name of your show. And you also put like a 65- Pause constantly is the name of our show. That's right. Okay. Welcome to pause constantly. True. Pause constantly. It's the Chinese rip-off. It's the Chinese rip-off. Yes. Pause constantly. Pause constantly, okay. Pause constantly. I went to high school with him. He's a really nice guy. Yeah, if you guys see him, say hi to me. And the other rule was you have an overlay that while you're paused, you put up and it's like 65% opacity or something. And then generally that means that the auto-flagger won't get you. That's most of the trouble on YouTube is getting automatically flagged. And then the rules for Twitch are basically steal it. It doesn't really matter. The rules for Twitch really are... Watch full TV shows. But you understand the reason for that is because Twitch doesn't have a content idea equivalent, right? Apparently. But they still get in trouble here and they have different things, right? That's only if they... That's only once. Someone knows it's live. Which does have a content equivalent, though. Which Twitch does have one. Yeah. They've got one for music allegedly, but there was a big fucking ruckus where loads of people were getting clapped for stuff and then it just stopped. So it doesn't happen anymore. People are just listening to copyright music. No problems, apparently. It's very weird. I don't know. I used to know somebody who worked at Twitch back... This is like eight years ago, so it's old information. But basically, when YouTube developed their own in-house copyright ID system, Twitch bought the old one that YouTube was licensing. And they used that for a while. But yeah, I think it was primarily music. Also, however, Twitch doesn't have the staff right now internally to actually manage everyone. Yes. You could just stream whatever the fuck you want on Twitch right now and roll the dice. You're not gonna get banned. You can stream TV shows. Just don't say a word. You think they can manage the big streamers? That's the very least, right? I mean, that's where most of the eyes are. They tend not to ban the big streamers because that's the majority of their revenue. Yeah, because they want the money. Yep. I mean, Koi Center is just instigator to write in New York. I doubt he's gonna get banned for that. It's probably why supremacy is fault. I think it's Chud's fault. Man, well, what's the difference? I've seen... I saw a small streamer, maybe like 100 viewers. He got mugged during an IRL stream and got banned for violence from Twitch. Yo, what the fuck? Yeah. Someone comes up and just steals from him and beats the shit out of them and he's like, banned for violence. However, the riot that was just incited was on stream. Way more violence. He's not gonna get banned. There's obviously more. In this mugging, what race was the perpetrator and the victim? Can I just... Wow. Look at this guy obsessed. I know. I disavow all violence. There you go. Do you have to ask, Chud? Okay. Wow. Wow, Dad, I can't believe you. Do you have to ask on our stream? You're all fucking horrible, horrible people. Anyway, enter the watch together because we gotta get this started. We're gonna be here for a while. All right, everyone. I hope you pee-peed and poo-pooed and you brought provisions. Yes. There's gonna be a long journey across the desert. Also, well, I guess if it's with while, who here has not met each other? Because there's probably at least someone, right? I think I know everyone here. Everyone know everyone here? Hello, Heather, how are you? There's a couple of people I'm not familiar with. Yeah, name them. I have a few people I haven't spoken with. All right. Chud, this is Rags. Say hello. Hello. Hello, I am Rags. I am a dog. Now we're on a podcast. I talk about Rags. Chud, I'm Mola. Hi. Hello. There you go. I think that's it, right? You know everyone else. Well, I kind of know short fat Tarku. He's a chaser. Is that right? You usually said this last time. True. Yeah, that's the same jokes. Recycling them, why not? Oh, you're on the chase. And also, you react to and steal my content all the time. Yeah, because you asked me to. I wouldn't watch it otherwise. Boring. Boring. Boring. Damn. That's like your lucky I steal your content. You should be grateful. I don't necessarily know about this recent debate you had, Mola. I know in general, even if I were to lose some viewers because somebody is like a streamer that I know and like watches my stuff, I'm actually OK with that because I want to get their input. I am OK with people being OK with it. You must understand. I've seen plenty of chud watching videos. He transforms them. Yeah, that's going to be his problem if he tries to defend people like XQC because he's going to find out that. Do you ever watch his reactions, chud? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's funny. I don't want to like be the oh, I knew ages ago guy, but I'm going to do that. I criticize XQC for this ages and ages ago, I think when Hassan was getting criticized. Because I was like, look, original video, 10 minutes, his upload 11 minutes, but there wasn't like a big uproar about it at the time. And, you know, because he's been doing this for ages. This, you know, certainly recently he's been called out heavily for it. And I think it's because of the Mutahar tweet and the drama around that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you know, but like the H3 Hassan segment on the Leftovers podcast was pretty hilarious. Hassan says, finally, XQC is criticized when it's just been me for years. Which is really funny. So he's definitely not the only one, but my God, he's he's one of the best perpetrators of it. Also, chud, I'm calling you out specifically because I feel like you're the only person that will probably make the mistake. Don't show the show. Yes, you got it. OK, good. Now, I think everybody's in. Is there anything anyone wants to say before we just jump into what this is going to be? Hello, anyone? Hello. Sorry, what's happening? I said, does anyone wants to say to begin all of this before we kick into what I've got as a compilation? Well, actually, I'm a bit curious. Like, how how early in the conversation are you starting this off? And you're going right back to the start to. So that we're going to start with three major examples of XQC's reactions edited to show the majority of them. I skipped past most of the actual video because I don't want to make the exact same mistake that he does, but we're going to watch that for context. And then we're going to start looking at arguments for why that's a good thing. Malik, for someone who hasn't seen your debate with XQC, what is your position on this? Just I know that there's a lot of different. Like, I think Jack's films focuses on credit. I think Moutahar is going with like the theft angle. And I think he's with transformative as well. We here on EFAP and myself included, of course, mainly focusing on transformative. We that's what we want as to whether or not it harms a creator. I feel like, you know, there's ways to go, right? Well, it is complicated in terms of whether or not it does. But well, I was asked this. It's like, don't you want to? I was told, like, you know, when you guys react to me, you might replace them in SEO. You might, you know, be able to down, like, like change the reputation of everyone. I was like, yeah, but if it's criticism, that's that's totally fine. That's like the idea. But when you're just stealing it, that becomes unethical. Like, it's not like it's kind of annoying when you say, like, you shouldn't steal people's stuff because it can, you know, replace them in SEO. And then someone says, yeah, but you do that when you provide a breakdown of everything they've said. It's like, that's obviously a different thing. Like, I don't know why we would even. Is it you're using them for entertainment? When we're making sure we're we're good. OK, well, it's funny to have, right? Like, I would argue that EFAB and, you know, Sitch and Adam as as video reacts to podcasts. Don't you normally call it Adam and Sitch? I mean, I've been on it. I almost did right there that I was like, there was a pause. I heard it. I did. Yeah. Because I was like, maybe I should actually give the actual name this time just to be clear for them. Thank you. Yeah. As podcasts, we run both of the ones that I assume on the Internet, pause the most and recreate like, like for every competitive, definitely competitive pauses. But yeah, like the, you know, there's plenty of podcasts that look at videos, but I don't think anybody pauses as much as we do. Yeah, we're over pauses. Oh, when you say when you say transformative, are you do you mean from a legal sense? Or are you saying different? I would say because this came up in the debate as well. I'm kind of gunning for moral because legal. Yes, there's an angle in legal that annoys me a little bit, which is the whole like, you shouldn't have more than a particular percentage of the original content in whatever you're making, otherwise it's not fair use when I'm like, I don't know about that. Well, it's supposed to be that like every part you have to use it. Like, so I think there's a content of minimal usage. You must only use the smallest part possible to make the point you need to make, right? That's another thing as well. That's not necessarily what either you have or such an attitude, though, right? I'm cool with that, you know, even extensive reacting isn't necessarily legal. But morally, like, for example, if you had Lord of the Rings and your reaction was 15 hours long, breaking down every scene, the movie studio is going to fuck you in the ass. But like, it's totally reasonable that you're not going to get the same experience. Yeah, I wouldn't have 15 hours to watch the whole video. Like, well, it's been said that I don't know that my videos would actually make it through like a court case about fair use. I don't know. It's complicated. Can you imagine the jury watching the entire 15 hours? Is this fair use? Oh, God. It's it sounds like the Chris Chan trial where they're just watching every part of the Christian documentary hundreds of hours. Exhibit B, Son of John. Oh, my God, what's A? I mean, we all know what that's going to be, don't we? Oh, so anyway, the fucking his mother. That's what I mean. Oh, my God. That's not an exhibit, is it? Can I fuck up? Who is this? I mean, it could be. In any case, yeah, go from a moral perspective of what I believe is transformative, which is I've discovered complicated the whole discussion dramatically because some people believe, like I said, that having a chair on screen or having chat up is enough to be transformative, which comes across as a tad insane, but that's the difference between different communities. Right. Well, even asked, I don't know if I got an answer, but I even said, like, what if there was no chat, no chair, it's just a reupload, but you have the comment section of that community. Is that good enough? Which sounds insane, right? Again, for me, I think the biggest thing is like, could someone watch your video and get a close enough experience to the original that they could forgo watching the original? That's good. Yeah. I just think that's the important question is that does this replace it in the market? Meanwhile, the reaction, obviously it doesn't, right? You know, someone reviewing fucking Shazam or whatever, and then we respond to it in full. I feel like we don't replace it necessarily in terms of the experience you would have gotten from their review. Ours is a completely different thing where we clinically like break down every point and talk about whether or not we think it's valid or whatever, which I feel is a very different piece of content a bit of what they made. And then, of course, I think it's protected by criticism. Don't you think that the argument would essentially be that transformative is that you are taking something and turning it into something that is substantially new? What's the problem in that? Substantially. Well, sure, but I mean, I think it's fine to be able to like have a discussion about what you think substantially is, but that, you know what I mean? Like, just because it's not a clear line doesn't mean that there isn't. Yeah, and I'm, you know, my suggestion is that we hold it pretty high. Even like I said to the point where if we let some in play for like a minute and a half, we start getting a bit uncomfortable or like we say something. That actually reminded me of something what you just said. You all remember the Sargon Akila obviously thing, right? Yes, I read about this. Yeah. So I'm sure you had happened. Yeah, he took that video. He cut it around a bit, but it was like 100% her content and he re-uploaded it with a different title. And the reason he won the case is because even though it was entirely stolen content from her point of view, the fact that he, it was the action of recutting it and the fact that it was him who re-uploaded it with that other title made it transformative because he was mocking her and he was using entirely her own words to do it. So even small edits, I think, can end up working out as being a new thing. I think you can make a really solid argument that if your edit transforms the thesis of the video, like if it's- Or the intention of it, yeah. Yeah, so when I would appeal to the audience, we'll probably just go for it. Well, I was just saying that if the original video had one intention in mind and your edit created a different intention that argued with the original one, I think it would be impossible to argue that that's not transformative personally. Right. Like transforms the message. Yeah. I mean, I just think it's probably worth clearing up. In our discussion here today, we gather here today, I'm assuming we're all willing to just say this is not necessarily for court, this is more personal, moral perspective. Well, yeah. And I was naively under the assumption that we all mostly understand where the line is, that we can all kind of tell, but it's like, no, the more people you meet around this side of YouTube or Twitch, whatever, the more you realize like, oh, shit, you have a completely different point of view to the angle that like, if I'm there smiling, I've transformed it. It's like, fuck, you know. Right. You know, I actually thought that for a minute, but I actually, I don't think I agree with you, Mueller. I think everyone knows just some people don't care. You sure? It's like a piracy. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a piracy, you know, like everyone knows they shouldn't actually be pirating movies or torrenting or whatever. I wouldn't download a car. It's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, fuck it. I want it. Download a baby. You know, the attitude isn't some sort of principled stance. It's just, no, I want it and I don't really care. I think everyone knows intrinsically. I think everyone has a pretty good sense of fairness intrinsically, but I think what, I don't think it's that they're like lying. I think they end up convincing themselves, you know, ex-QC and these other people convince themselves that they're adding something, they're transforming it, even when, you know, they're really not. I don't know. It's like, I thought that everybody, I thought everybody agreed with the concept that if you create something that you own it, like that you ought to own it, you know? But it doesn't, okay. Wow. No, say that. Socialists out there do not agree with that at all. It depends. If it's someone else's shit, then it should be mine. Really? It's the community stuff, Rene. It's our stuff. It's our concept. I don't know, like I thought that it was, we generally thought it was a good idea. It's like, ah, you created something out of nothing when you went out and you made that piece of art. You know, you painted that painting, you wrote that book or something and now you get to own it and you get to decide how that is engaged with by the world. But like, I guess we don't feel that way. No, there's a bunch of people out there, there's actually a fair amount of political theory out there where it's like, okay, because you have, even though you're making this piece of art, well, you've eaten food by, it's been grown by a farmer and so because you've engaged in some sort of consensual trade with a farmer, that farmer also has a stake in what you do, right? And that stake exists in perpetuity. So every single person you've ever interacted with also now has a stake in whatever you make, which is retarded, but some people actually think this. Okay. There you go. There's angles to everything. You can't be original in any way, shape or form, which by the way, does get rolled out every once in a while. It's like, everything is derivative. Everything comes from something else. Okay, so then we'll fuck it. Yeah, why do you have any rules about anything? Whatever. I just, okay. So people are asking, oh, go ahead. I think part of the issue, I don't think XQC is a malicious guy. I don't think he's thinking like, I'm going to steal everybody's content. I think part of the issue is the way he's framing the dynamic in his head where it's like, when he has an audience looking at him through a webcam, it's like he's having his friends over at his house. Yes, correct. And he just wants to play videos for people. It's just like, I'm watching a movie with my buddies. Hey, you guys want to watch The Dark Knight and then you go play that on Twitch. And it's like, dude, you can't digitally broadcast that. There's a, these are different worlds and you're sort of overlapping them in your head, like this weird Venn diagram that shouldn't be. You know what I mean? You know, to his credit though, it's actually pretty easy to fall into that head space. I think everyone has who's ever streamed like, oh, this is just me and my friends, but actually there's like a thousand people watching or 500 people watching or whatever it is. Why do you say that in front of friends? Oh, it's hard to say that about me. I'm going to disagree with this because I haven't actually seen a lot of XQC content until I think I never really understood. Yeah, there you go. I never really understood his appeal until I listened last night to Mahler having his conversations last debate with XQC. And he's very, like he's very minded about how to make money and how to make content. And I didn't really get the impression that he was like, oh, these are just with my friends. No, no, he's like, oh, I'm going to do this to make clips, to make money. He just seemed very business minded in that conversation. And I think another big problem that he has is that he comes off like a huge asshole in that conversation. There's no humility to anything he's talking about. Like even with Hassan, when Hassan had the whole chair saga and Hassan's like still an asshole. At the end of the day, Hassan was kind of like, okay, I did it wrong. Or with XQC for like 90% of that conversation to the very end where he eventually concedes that he would just be willing to pay content creators like any amount of money essentially to use their stuff, which I'm curious if that's like a real opinion or if that was a debate opinion. But until that point, he was just kind of like, oh, he had like this ego that he can, he gets to deserve to do this because he's a larger streamer and he's a successful streamer. And therefore he knows better how to manage other people's content. Right. He was definitely rude in some of the interviews that I heard. Just like conversations that he was having. Yeah. Right. Anybody who has a problem with them on Twitter, even like if they are not personally hurting from what he's doing, it's just like, I don't care, suck my balls. Like he'll just say that over and over. It's like, yeah. Yes. But I think it's unfortunate because I think that's why he's popular that he has this like childish appeal to like, oh, the like, fuck you, mom. I'm not going to bed. Like I'm assuming that. Well, yeah, like what would you prefer then? Would you prefer like you approach him and he's like, hey, you're stealing from me. He's like, yeah, I am. Fuck you. I want to. This is mine now. Fuck you. Or would you prefer and be like, like go on some sort of moral cruise? No, I have a right to this. And you like, you're actually wrong about this. And no, I'm in the right like, which attitude do you prefer? Just the fuck you. I got. I mean, I would prefer the latter honestly. You'll basically highlight in the difference between XQC and Hassan, by the way. I could see a lot of teenagers and like pre-teens being much more into the, yeah, he just says fuck you to everybody who even tries to get something from him. Yeah, mom. I'm 13 now. I eat unhappy meals. Aw. I don't know if it was you, Mueller's, I forget his name, the guy who yells a lot, who I was glad ended up yelling XQC a lot, was talking about how like. Mueller and them often get confused. Yeah. People, I'll get those two confusing. Like they're saying that like, if XQC and Abos, who I did not expect to come on and basically defend X and that situation. That was a wild card. That was very surprising. You know, when people were coming on time out like, oh, that they'd be totally fine sharing revenue with these people. And someone was like, well, wait a minute, nothing's stopping you from doing that. You can do that now. You can just keep your money for free. Yeah, it's like, well, there's no system in place for me to do it. Like, it's like, what do you mean? You could just PayPal them the money. It's like, well, no, no, there's no system that's automatic that's easy. It's like, oh, so you just want it to be really easy for you to do. Okay, I understand. Wait a second, do you say Abba defended XQC? Yeah, he went further than XQC, I believe. Abba just struck Poe for real content from it. Yeah, Desi brought that up and Abba was like, you know, that he's gonna, I don't know if he said he's gonna draw that back or if he's gonna do something else, but the apparently- He said he's changed his mind in the last few days. There's some things. What the fuck? It was clearly just like a little bit, a bit of an actor that he did, I think, from the looks of it. No, dude, seriously, it felt like it wasn't even Abba I was talking to. He said that he'd be fine if I fully uploaded his like entire channel onto my channel because it would count as transformative as long as my community react to it and chat. I can monetize that apparently. I don't buy it at all. I really don't think that's actually what he believes, but that's what he said. He's gonna just debate opinion. I don't know. People were saying like, did he, was he trolling? It was like, I don't know. I don't know what that was. He just throw me off that. The thing is, but Woody Maxson made a good point on Twitter about this. He said like, we don't want it to be where you can't react to each other and genuinely in good faith and argue via YouTube videos because that's the whole culture of YouTube is fighting with each other, overtakes and stuff through react content. Right, but it's like, why can't, I mean, obviously we can draw a line as we all seem here to do between what you're talking about where we react to each other, argue with each other, criticize each other and, oh, let me play this video that you guys are gonna like while I go make chicken nuggets. Put in a little bit of effort to like, make it into something that offers something new as an experience. Yeah, and I feel like everyone actually wins then instead of pretending like everyone wins. It is the solution that everyone is looking for that everyone agrees with on the whole. Dark Viper's got a bit more of an extreme view maybe, but everyone else I think is like, yeah, just put some effort in and we're golden, but no one seems to want to do that. It is literally insane because if XQC was to react harder, I feel like he would benefit and the creators would have less of a case to say it's not transformative, edit the upload so that you cut out a lot of the dead air of him just eating or whatever. But his defense of that of course is that like they need the context, otherwise they don't always reacting to, which, you know. I feel, again, I feel like that speaks to the nature of how much of the heavy lifting is being done by the original creation rather than you. Absolutely. Well, and we can get context, like as a lot of people are asking, how has this come to be again? Didn't we do all of this a year ago or so, and then a year before that? Well, unfortunately, I don't know, if it was like, yeah, it's over on the like, changing people's minds substantially, I think on like react content, there'd be big blow-ups like as far as a decade ago, and it's only gone worse. It's like it goes, all right, guys. Both directions at the same time. It's like, there's way more of it and it's way worse, but also people seem to be getting angrier about it. So I don't know what's gonna happen exactly. I don't know. I feel like people got really angry back when the Jynx stuff was happening. Well, and that actually facilitated change, right? But this one- Jynx was black, racist, racist. At least he was there the whole time. What was the Jynx story? All right, well, he just basically made YouTube videos where he would like watch other people's videos in full and basically only go, Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh yeah, that was pretty great. Anyway, like and subscribe. He had a laugh track. In fact, there was a content cop on him from Redubz once upon a time. Yeah. I think. I think it was that at least he sat there the whole time and watched the whole thing. He was always there. He didn't get up for like long periods. I don't think there's a way to say at least the Jynx. There's been a domino butterfly effect where Redubz walked back as content cops and then there was that woman Ole, that black woman that was like, you deserve reparations for Jynx, basically. And I think that, you know, people are feeling bold and because the Jynx now has been cleared, it may be in some ways because the content of apparently doesn't apply. But the content I was correct, Jynx was just a content thief, you know? Yeah, simple as. You're saying we rolled back the police and now the criminals are coming out? Is that what you're saying? Yes, exactly. So we need more content cops, more racist content cops. If you ever were to make an effort to really good faith Jynx, though, or at least his content, I think the idea would be, hey, what if there's people who just want to watch these YouTube videos and essentially have a laugh track? Like, I feel like there's a friend in the room with them. And I guess I understand that, but it also is kind of a shitty excuse at the same time. I feel like it almost speaks to a more fundamental problem about the nature of loneliness or something. I agree. People are seeking a human connection, I think. Sorry, go ahead, man. No, this came up in the conversation that you had last night where it's like people can want or like something that doesn't mean it should be legal or moral just because people want something. It was insane how many times I got told, yeah, the people want it. It's like, I don't fucking care. Why is that enough to just make the thing happen? Insane. Why don't you like retread some of the most basic principles I've ever known? I was asked for examples, like, give me an example. I think I went with the people wanting to see children fight to the death. Like, and he was like, no. Well, that's like a crime. So, yeah. What should it be? People want it. Yeah, people want it, fuck it. To the market. So what happened was, Lemono, for those who don't know, is a very talented YouTuber, makes videos at this point, like once per year or something, does extensive breakdowns of events in history that, let's just say, you may have found in other places, but the way he does it is very unique, very informative, very creative, and very cool. He puts out a video. I think it was an hour and 40 or something. It's about the JFK assassination. I fully recommend it. Really good video. And people started reacting to it. Is it full schizo or? What do you mean? No. Like, okay, so it's actually historical. Like, okay, it's not like a schizo idea, okay. What? Well, this is the JFK assassination. It's a conspiracy theory. He's the bunking. He's the bunking. Don't worry, mate, okay. You little fucking lip. There's still a lot of weird stories about the JFK assassination, man. I just want to know if this is like a conspiracy theory. Oh, he talks about the aliens and the cave people and stuff. Yeah, it's all in there. You know, the ones who did it. Yeah, yeah. Did Jesse Ventura personally shoot JFK? And Marge Simpson, you can see her here in the grass, you know. It's an alien with a rifle in the Texas Book Depository. So the reactors rolled out and then people started posting pictures of how in the search results you'd see LEMONO's video and then you'd see Hassan reacting to LEMONO's video and then you'd see HexQC reacting to the LEMONO's video. And I think XQC's was like 10 minutes longer than the original and it was like, oh. And it's, that's like the best way to actually get people to even know this is happening, just that image, because they recognize immediately what the problem is, everyone does. But maybe that's unfair, right? Maybe the reaction is actually, he's muted the video and he's talking over it like an audio commentary and that he's talking all about the production and stuff and it completely transformed it. You don't know, have you watched it? Yeah, Mahler. Yeah, fuck you. I did, I did watch it. I watched a lot of his reactions and let's just say that I know there's a quote in here as well as he's obviously said, he does not upload the VODs to YouTube unless he considers them to be essentially transformative. While still gaining the utility of having done that on stream anyway. Yeah, right. Yeah. So just a curiosity, does his video appear above the original? I don't think it appears above. Okay, how big of a channel is the original channel? Pretty big, millions of subs I think. Quite millions of subs. And the video's got like five million views or something like that. So he's probably not starving or anything. He didn't like lose a shit ton of revenue. But like that's, it's never quite been my argument. It's just the one that seems to get people incensed on the topic, seeing that. Yeah, everyone talks about that. I don't think that the original creator at that level of viewership is necessarily being hurt. It's just like kind of a courtesy thing. It's this courteous to do that and it's shitty to do that. And it could happen. There might be an impact. It's just that for them. There's not good evidence I've seen that. It's difficult to prove. It's more of an intuition thing of like someone says, I'm gonna watch Lemma. Ooh, actually I'd rather watch, I'd watch it with XQC or something like that. And it gets XQC and Hassan and others into like the LEMONO sort of search results anyway, which is always gonna be beneficial to their channel and it costs them nothing. Well, I mean, what is the loss that is incurred by doing this? Is there even a potential loss incurred by- Excuse me, he told me his loss is that the video might be boring as fuck and it'll cost him entertainment on the stream. All right. Okay. There are no downsides to the stream. It's all upsides. It's a swimmer-based play, yeah. Wait, what? Streamer slander, oh my God. So, what we got first in this wonderful compilation is checking out his take on, or his reaction to LEMONO's videos. Everyone ready to start this wonderful adventure? Yes, I'd rather just note. Why is this a thing though? We're not watching children fight to the death. I mean, we can do that in another stream if you want to do it over at Adam and Zade. I do. Look, I thought we were talking about some fun here. I mean, we're watching internet children argue to the death. Internet children. Okay, okay. This is not true. We've got like a whole star hip-hop. Oh, jeez. I mean, I don't want to steal you guys' thing, you know? I feel like it was plagiarism. You guys started that, you popularized it, so. Hold respect. Chat is here. Transformative. I'm here. Oh, here we're all holding this. Yeah, with Chat being present and transformative. Hold on. You were just mentioning the whole idea of like, I wouldn't want to re-upload it if it wasn't transformative. But if Chat is transformative, then it doesn't matter what his reaction is, right? Or whether it's boring. So this is interesting. I've got a clip of him in this compilation saying that having Chat is not enough to transform it. And yet, last night, I believe he said that it was. Okay, well, we'll grant him that his perspective is developed over the last couple of days. We'll call it may be developed and not discovered along the way. No. It's time 16 speed. Water again. Water again. What? Water again. Water again. I'm lost. I'm married. We need an XQC translator. I don't have one. It's not like he might have said, it's not like he might have said louder, guys. Like he's asking if it needs to be turned off. I think when you have nine individual minds listening to the lines, someone will be able to guess what it is correctly. You can understand him. I've discovered that my understanding of his way of speaking has developed to be stronger and stronger the more I listened to him. So that could be the key. It's like visiting a foreign country, you know? Mm-hmm. Can we see? Assassination. Yeah, that's the video. Very cool. I was glad that he was able to read assassination. That's a big word. Yeah. Yeah. Everything seems fine so far. All right, everything seems fine so far. We've already gone through a pretty significant chunk of the video. This is a pretty big chunk of the video. You're putting this on 16 times speed and he's just sitting there. What counts as fine when you're talking about an assassination? I guess he's trying to say nothing crazy about the event so far, which is just, it's just nothing. We haven't gotten to the part where he got assassinated. Well, it's gonna go off out of hitch. Well, in the video, the assassination part is really just, yeah, so this is wherein he shot the president. And then, and it's just, it's a very matter of fact thing. Like, yeah, this is where he shot the president and then he carries on with a list of events and the accounts of the witnesses and then we're calling the gunshots and then the grassy knoll thing and that sort of thing. So it's not like a big super dramatic element of the video when Kennedy was allegedly shot in the back of the head in Dallas in 1963 or four. Whichever one, three. Who cares? Who cares? He's dead. Whatever. He's dead now. Okay, here's the thing, right? Though people say this is, oh, what is that to react to? Well, if it's never to react to, why are you acting as the fucking video? Oh my God, Chud's already taking that point. Oh my God. Julia. Get it off from the fucking gun. Oh, go and watch how the guy's hoping to say. Rolling out early, but when people are like, react harder? Yeah. Yeah, ironically, yes. Well, and I don't know the, what are you supposed to say when someone's like, I have no idea what I could add to this? You're like, oh, man, there's so many. There's a way to solve this. Well, but like, not even the whole, just keep rebooting. Not even the whole, don't watch it, but the whole like, you really have nothing you could possibly say about all of this incredible creative work. There's nothing. You can't talk about how amazing the art style, like the general minimalistic aesthetic of these like, Lemono videos or like the music or the tone that's being set. Clarity of information. Yeah, clarity of information, exactly. Like how easy it is to follow along, how he presents it like a story, like a narrative that you can follow, like in a... And that it would have taken a while to order all of the events in a way that's satisfying and understandable. And then of course, within the 3D graphics, the map, being able to visualize where everything is because I watched this video and yeah. He did all of that. He said, everything's good so far. Oh, that's true. That's true. Very, very, very true. Gravity is the soul of wit. I mean, maybe I don't send him like his chat post, but... Yeah, maybe his chat brought up all these points and that counts. True and chat is transformative. That was another thing I was going to say about the whole transformative angle. It's like, does anyone read all of chat? No. I do. They're just like, well, you won't be able to with his probably. It's going to be going by pretty fast. You two frogs, you two frogs, you two frogs. The chat element only works with the live stream. Definitely not the reupload because who watches chat on reupload? They would argue they do. No one does that. Oh, shit. How could you say that? There was like a time at like 2009, 2010 when chats were a lot slower. People actually did look at chat in reuploads. It was a thing 12 years ago, but nowadays a chat box just serves to show popularity because if your chat's going by fast, you're a big streamer. That's just how it is. I guess that was insane. Right? You can be generous and say that, Shul. I'm trying to good faith it, man. It's hard. Good faith carry over here. Yeah. I think I'm going to say it was for him to be going for it. Okay. It's a very strange way to go. I would have loved to have known what he was thinking about. What, what, you know, but... He was figuring something out. Yeah. Okay, true. Yeah, it makes sense. True. True. True. Irrubiting. Yeah. But isn't strange good, though, to build a strong alibi? It's like kind of far out and kind of crazy. I mean... So, just to give context, what he's saying is what we just got told by Lemono is the nature of him working at the book depository meant that like the way that he got there, how he got the job is very convoluted if his goal was to eventually have a position to assassinate the president. And now he's saying, yeah, but isn't that good because it makes it look even less likely that you were planning to do that? The mistake he's making, of course, is Lemono's point is that there's no way he could have planned to do it that way because the president wasn't planning to come here before the job was... And he's about to realize that. I think I missed the point. I missed the point. The point he had... Like when he said I missed the point. I'm 16. I may have missed the point, but that... Just that I was advocate... You could say that he's doing that because he didn't want to tell the other guy that he had an argument and said that he's going back to fucking fix the argument or whatever the fuck, right? And he just came up with this fucking plot. That's like something. I'm okay with that as commentary. It's like, okay. It's so difficult to understand what he's saying. It is hard. I don't chat. I'm going to be like, what does he say? I don't always know, okay? So I can't tread late. I think he was trying to... Oh, look at the chat, look at the chat, look at the chat at the top. Listen, even as a fellow Canadian. Fireball, you legend. Fireball, what are you doing in XQC's stream? That's not a place for you. So you know, as a fellow Canadian, I can't fucking understand this guy. Yeah, but you're not a fellow French Canadian, are you? Yeah, I don't even... I'm very anti-French. Well, you know what? If there's anything I know about candidates that half the people speak French and the other half let them. You sold that joke yesterday. Like 5% of them speak French. It just forced on the rest of us and we all ate it. Okay, I mean, to be fair, that was a significant chunk of our military. Yeah, French people. Really? Yeah, lots of them. I've been raiding by-province by a lot. Like it's interesting. Well, isn't the main reason it's because like Quebec has lots of poverty and it's kind of used the same way in America where you pull people out of poverty by putting them in the military? Kind of, yeah. I mean, it's defense squad. I mean, it's a pretty good job if you don't have another way to make money. One thing I appreciate about Bollard Co. is how I can understand what you're all saying. Oh, thank you very much. That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to us. Thank you. Despite all of our different accents, we're still speaking the same. You're not nuts. Crazy. We're in a semblance of people from all around the world. I can often understand Adam, too. Yeah, it's coast. Only often. They're in the bedroom. Yeah, they're in the bedroom. Oh, they're in the bedroom. Yeah, they're in the bedroom. They're observing them. They're observing them. Oh, come on. That's very observant of them. That's fucking obvious who I is. That was not obvious. I'm sorry. Oh, I didn't actually catch it now. You've got to understand, when you like crack it, it sounds clear as hell. But when you haven't, it sounds like noise. Yeah, I often feel like one of minority speaks. Wow. And maybe you put it to the side as soon as it got in to leave it there like it's nothing and put it back in the litter. Moment, yeah. Yeah, it's on 16 again. Fuck, I don't know all that. I'm not even sure if he means like how does the guy, because this is about the two people, the guy who tells him about the president coming this way. I'm not sure if he's saying how does he know all that or he's asking how Lemono knows what he knows. But I don't know. The round of them are the kids. Sorry, just a small pause. So it's when an employee that isn't plotting anything. Don't pause. Stop pausing. It's already two hours, bro. That completely annihilates the transformative community aspect of it because they just literally want to watch the video. Well, he said that it's like he doesn't even need to be there. He did say that on the debate that that's why he considers himself replaceable. That was a whole other thing to be as go and watch the video yourselves, guys. They want to watch it with the community. Apparently. Yeah, maybe he does actually think that this is me hanging out with my friends watching TV. No, I really do think that, yeah. And then you got some dipshit talking in here. You're the whole time. Isn't that funny? You can't understand that it gets to the point where you try to watch a TV show and your friend keeps pausing and injecting his opinions and you're like, shut up. I don't care. Shut the fuck up. Give me that remote. You ever had that one Freddie beside you on the couch just constantly talking through the yes. Yeah, no longer friends with that guy. One thing you are missing, though, the reason the community members think like it's you're in chat, right? You can do memes with each other and shit. I'm not excusing it, but I'm just saying that's the mentality. That's why they'll do it. Don't you think it's nuts, though, that he's almost superfluous? They don't even want him to stop. They don't want to talk. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's it's a chat room. They're just hanging out with their friends. But like to the point where he's detrimental to the experience, the fucking host. To be fair, XQC is detrimental to any experience. Ralph and shit like that. And the guy who's plotting his mega plan that has multiple steps doesn't know about it. I don't know what. So every three and a half seconds for us is like a minute in the video. It's a lot to maybe help people understand any section that has the time 16 in full. You have to watch that section 16 times to have the experience of how long it actually takes from the talk again. Isn't technically when you go with that path in practice, it'll that line will be less blurry and more mixed than once everything to the other. Isn't technically when you go with that path in practice, it'll that line will be less blurry and more mixed than once everything. Like I understand all of the words. Yeah, the words. I can I understand the words. I recognize those as English words. When they're in a sentence together, I don't know what's trying to be conveyed. No line is less blurry. What don't you understand? I think now that I know he's a Quebecer, I understand everything. The other. I thought he was like Swedish or something. And that didn't come to me as clear as why. I thought he was. I think he's in Montreal, man. Now that I know, it's like, oh, OK, I get what he's saying. I just weren't hearing it right. It makes far less sense for someone like Oswald. No, I got you. It makes far less sense for us to practice. That's tough. It's a good video. It's a good topic to thank you. I think these are pretty big, separate events in the morning of November 22nd. I don't even know what events he's referring to. I'm just sure the pretty big very well may be right. These big, separate events mean JFK assassination. That was a very small, minor thing. That's big, separate events, not small, connected events. Sorry, listen, I've got to back. Listen, this is bad. Actually, she's getting torn to shreds here and I've got to defend him. You're supposed to defend him. What are you doing? Get on with it. Go for it. Go for it. I think this is quite evidently clear bigotry against French Canadians. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I suppose it's anti-white racism. I must stand up and say no longer. OK, there's a bit of a feeling. I don't know why people get mad at me in my chat. What am I supposed to say? Yeah, this is retarded on ex-cheesepot. What do you want me to say? You fucking morons. Wait, people are asking you to defend this. Yeah, because everyone agrees it's retarded. Sorry, sorry. It's OK. None of us knew you were going to say that. You're proud of being a transformative experience for you, I see. I wish I would know more about the context of how our day in that building goes like. Is it normal for people to go down and say close the thing by closing shop for the day? Like, it's kind of hard. Wow, that's like actually kind of an advantage for civilization. That's something, I think. That's a fair. Like is one point to where you see? What? How many points have you made? Two or three? Two or three? Three, two. And how far are we? Because I know, again, I think I think I'm glad you pointed out rags that like what? Four seconds is equivalent to a minute. Like, yeah, like as well. Watching this really fast. That hurts a lot of video that is passing in those moments. No, no, no, it is nothing. OK. All right. True. This guy doesn't hear a guy that's two windows to his right with a sniper installing and like moving around the boxes. But he hears people talking from an entire level under. Yes, because one of those is louder than the other. Theoretically, you can construct a sniper very quietly, right? You don't need to be loud. Because people talking is almost certainly going to be louder than somebody moving around some cardboard boxes. I don't know what he means by installing a sniper, but like connecting the pieces and making a click in and stuff. Listen, listen, he's Canadian. They have by government law clown horns have to be attached to all sniper rifles. We do have guns here. It's just a little harder. Can you confirm this clown horns on them? You can put one on with it. You can take them off of the default installation. Clown horn would use weaver rails. Yeah, maybe. I got a problem with that. Here we go. Even though it's a good point, I still think sometimes when something that is a little bit extraordinary in life, you talk about it with whoever you're with. If you see somebody with a gun or rifle out of anybody in the street or in the building, somebody with a rifle, it can be a type of conversation that you have with your somebody next to you. Oh, yeah, I talk, I spoke about that. And then we just spoke about it. Not talking about it, you're even mentioning it? I think it's kind of. So what's been said is that this guy spotted a gun, but he didn't say anything because he thought it was relatively normal. That when a president's motorcade goes around in different places that you have agents deposited with guns. As you see, he's saying if you saw that gun, though, you would have said it to someone. It's like, not necessarily. The guy who gave that explanation said that his impression, he got from the movies. He had watched movies and in the movies, whenever the president was around, he had all the Secret Service guys or the rifles and everything on rooftops and stuff. So he thought that was part of, he thought that was part of it. Well, all of the speculation was in the video. And then it also talks about, I believe that this guy, that his girlfriend said that he was kind of, he liked to exaggerate sometimes. That's true, yeah. So a lot of this context is in the video. I don't know, that's, this is my thoughts. This is Texas. XIS. Deft in Texas. No way he hits that. No way he hits that. Well, I got some news for you, maybe. Somebody hit that, I don't know. I got, well, hang on, did they, did they? Did they, or was it? Allegedly. Allegedly. When's the same girl in the grass he know of this one? That's what I wanna know. I make no claims. Where's the male models? That shot is insane. Brennan could only recall hearing two shots. No, it actually isn't. Jack, Jack, guns aren't like movies. That shot is fucking insane. No, calm down. I get it, people shoot fucking pigeons and it was, it's a good fucking shot, dude. I mean, yeah, it's a good shot, but calm down. Yeah, I was gonna ask what your take is on the shot taken from what we understand if it was him. It's a good shot, but it's nothing crazy. I mean, the video does talk about how it's definitely not ideal because where he was in the book Depository Building, he's looking down at someone who is moving slowly but still moving in a car facing away where not all of their body is visible and there was obstruction from a tree. But still, I mean, if you're, I think that Oswald was in the military before this. I forget if they go into it, I forget if they go into it before this. I know that the Kar-Khan-O-Rifle that he had, posed with it before. And so I assumed he'd used it because the rifle would have to be, the scope would have to be zeroed and everything, but yeah, it's not like, oh, I can't believe he possibly made the shot. I was like, no, no, he just, like, it's not a crazy shot or anything. I'm happy whenever he says anything. That's a plus. Even if it's a bad commentary, I don't mind. As long as he's saying something. A bad commentary, it's something. No commentary. Yeah. Well, actually, I've got someone calling you out on my chat. Mauler, well, everyone, I guess, they say. So he is reacting. Okay. You just don't like what he says. They think he's, like, this is good. That this is a good amount of reaction. Do they spot the numbers in the top right when they show up? Or no? I don't think I've had attention to that. Okay. I don't think that person doesn't know numbers. He said a few dumb things, but I mean, if we're just going off of, does he react to it or just play it? That's a different conversation. Yeah. It's two different conversations, whether or not he's providing good commentary. Mainly the topic is, like, is he transforming it? And if he's talking, even if he's getting things wrong or making weird observations or anything, like it's still, that's something. Yeah. He's putting his own content into it and thus transforming it. But Key on transforming, he hasn't completed that process. And I don't think he ever will. Gonna remain Lemono's content for the vast majority of this, as you can tell. Every time it hits time to 16, maybe I made a mistake in showing how fast it goes by because it makes people think that this is actually real time or something. No, I think that's what's happening. Yeah. The series is not the same, so. He's added probably combined, what, 60 seconds of commentary? That would probably be generous, but yeah. Generously, right. From how long has it been so far? So we were about, like, 28 minutes into the video. Yeah. Jesus. I think that... Wait, someone's done? Sorry, sorry. The trick is, though, that... Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. I was saying that the trick is, though, that he's conceptualizing it and his chat is conceptualizing it totally differently. It's like transforming it isn't the goal. It's making it feel like you're hanging out with your friend watching it. Right. Which he considers transformative. At least he told me that anyway. Yeah, so that's what I mean is, like, it's almost... It's almost like there's no possible way that he will come to an understanding with us because he's just like, yeah, I'm doing an entirely different type of thing. And I guess what we're really saying is that type of thing morally correct? No. Contact creators? No. His argument will basically be that the experience of hanging out with someone watching TV is different from the actual TV show itself in a vacuum. Those are two different things, and so if you're watching him, you're actually watching something different than just the video, which is dumb, but that's probably... Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's true, that is a true thing. If you're watching something with someone else, it can drastically change the experience, but that doesn't mean that it's morally right, legally right on any level. Or transformative. So that was the thing that was kind of annoying in the conversation is that the words transformative and value kept getting mixed together because it's true that someone like XQC who has built this massive audience and has this large community, there is a value that individual people can gain from being in the community, having friends in the community, wanting to hang out and chat, having to watch something with other people. That's all true, that's fine, and there's also value for XQC like cultivating specific things that people want to watch and kind of, because there's like a million things to watch and we know what are you supposed to watch? But none of that is enough, I think in most of our opinions, to just basically watch someone's content. Like that's not enough. You can add these extra bits of value, but that's not enough for fair use. To gain the utility of that video as well in its entirety. You know, when you've watched a video towards completion with minimal commentary, you have extracted all of the value from that video for yourself. Like, it's worth noting that that's the case when you haven't transformed it. It's like you've basically gotten all of the value that the original creator put into that work and you get all of the benefit. And what does it, you know, even like what does a creator getting is a conversation in and of itself, but like that act alone is, you know, it's like it's worth considering whether or not, you know, consider that good or bad in and of itself regardless of the impact on the original creator. I think it's also worth considering how, how that compares to any of us doing gaming streams because I think that. Oh, well, that's a big old, very different conversation I would say. I think that it might be something that we might not want to go into now because it'll be a bigger topic of its own. But I think that I definitely can see the argument for, hey, watching TVs with your buddies is the experience that's being sold because my streams, like I stream on a couch with my two dogs crawling around me and I joke around with my chat. I mean, ultimately they're there to kind of hang out with me while we play the game, but I guess, I mean, am I always transforming it to a reasonable degree? This is actually really easy, okay? Technically speaking, playing a video game on stream is not considered transformative content and can be DMCA'd by game companies, but they soon realize that actually it's beneficial to them for that to happen. So they set up these agreements where you can monetize gameplay content on YouTube and Twitch and so on, right? So they happily. I agree with that and I do know that, but what, I guess what the question I'm asking is how do we reconcile being okay with that with not being okay with that? The content creator agrees. For a game situation, the content creator agrees to let you use their content and in the other situation, they don't necessarily agree. Yeah, yeah, consent's the important part, right? Because if someone, for example, when I go to Ched and say, Ched, watch my video on your stream, I'm giving the consent, right? So when you do it, it's not like you're stealing from me because I'm like, yes, I want you to do it. What about that? Also, being in a business type setting changes things too. Obviously, if you put the Super Bowl on in your bar and you're selling alcohol, you've got to pay for that. If you're watching it at home with your friends, you don't necessarily have to pay for it, but the commerce changes it as well. It's too prong though, I would say, because when you talk about, if the creator gives that consent, that's one thing, but even if the creator doesn't consent, if you transform it, we would consider that to be like, well, yeah, you've taken something, you've provided criticism, you've added something to it, you've changed it and created a new viewing experience, but you don't need somebody's permission to do that, like that's considered within the parameters of fair use. So if that's the case then, if that's the case, how much added value do you actually have to bring into it? I have no idea what the line is. Yeah, because as you see, he's reacted a little bit, it's not nothing. So I mean, he's added something. No, it's not nothing, but just because you can't identify specifically where the line is, doesn't mean that there is some threshold. Also, what it said that- Yeah, it does feel intuitively not enough. Watching a video without adding anything to it versus playing a game without adding anything to it is the different things because you have to play the game. You have to play the game. There is a difference between watching somebody play a game and playing the game, and that's not the case in watching the video and having somebody comment every like five to 10 minutes versus watching the video itself. You are still watching the video compared to watching gameplay versus playing gameplay. It's a reason why that conversation is kind of fricky. I think the best way to- I think the best way to conceptualize that is just because you play a game of baseball doesn't mean that you've infringed on the copyright of the person who invented baseball, right? Because playing it is a performance in itself. No, no, no. Okay, wait, wait, wait. You're not playing baseball with official art assets but anyways, I'm not trying to defend that side, so that's why I wanted to just get the point out. I was trying to get out. But do you guys know about Atlas and Persona? It's a Sega subsidiary and Persona is a Japanese role-playing game franchise. And when Persona 5 came out, Atlas made this big deal about DMCA and anyone streaming it past like the first hour of the game or something. It was like a 100 hour game, and I ended up streaming all of it. So they stopped caring about it, but what I mean is like, is there a, I guess, what would be the word for it, a statute, not statute of limitations, precedent. I think I know what you mean. An industry precedent to be like, okay, look, video games we can stream. It's fine. Like there's no exceptions because if we allow one exception, it'll topple the entire cast. There are exceptions. Like you can't mod games and stuff like that. And it is on there basically good will that we can do it. So anytime any of these game companies could pull back these agreements and they could start DMCA and like let's plays and stuff. Well, I mean, I've played tons of modded games on my streams and nothing's ever happened with those. But if I play a... I guess you're doing it though, right? Like no, no, no, you're doing it. Maybe you're not going to know. Smaller streams can kind of get away with it, you know. Yeah, that might just be in content ID thing because if I play like five seconds of an anime, boom. Instinct claim. Oh, yeah, video games aren't in the quality. I guess the question is like, would it be considered, like is it moral though? Because like here, let's say a game company came out and said, listen, you can stream our game all you want. But like the first week, don't just blow through it in one fucking session and like completely remove all the value of playing the game. And would that be a reasonable compromise, you think? No, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No. Okay. So, wait, wait, besides the fact that obviously a lot of the game companies give consent to this, the reason that video game companies give consent or generally give consent to this is because playing a video game is primarily an interactive experience. And they feel like, I'm assuming based on their research, because they're big companies, they've obviously researched this, is that if you watch someone playing an interactive video game, it doesn't mean you're necessarily going to go and buy it, but it probably means you're more likely to go and buy it, especially if it's a popular game, or you're watching, oh, that looks fun. I want to play that. Where if you're watching like this LEMONO video, okay? Once you watch the video with XQC, that's it. It's gone forever. The person's never going to watch the video again. So it's completely different from video games. I don't even know why we're even comparing these two. The equivalent would be, if in a stream you could get it so the viewer could play the game and have the same experience of playing the game as buying it, then the game companies would have a problem. Right, it's like if you watch a video of going on, it's like watching a video of going on a roller coaster is not going to provide you the experience of going on the roller coaster. We'll see, there's definitely some games that are just basically walking simulators and you can actually just get them all. That actually is where the problem starts to come, yeah. Conversation to have there was like long plays of those big cinematic games that don't have a substantial sort of gameplay loop. That was like the real competition behind that. Right, and I think that's a niche thing that you can have like a different idea about. The thing is games companies, this happens, you get full gameplay videos of like, you know, barely interactive games, and they don't DMCA there either. So I guess they just don't, you know, they still presume there's some benefit they get from someone buying it somewhere, right? So let's apply that to videos then. Oh, sorry, go ahead. Oh, well, that's what I mean. I brought it up mostly because I know where I stand on that. I wasn't bringing up that question expecting to develop my own answer, but I mostly brought it up to, because if we apply that concept to the watching videos and streaming it and making the experience, you're sitting down with your buddy watching a video that is like, can they make the argument? It's like, well, that's basically what you're doing if you play a game. What if you play a visual novel and you're just pawned through it and ever so often you're like, wow, look at that high waifu, and that's it. Like you don't really say much more. You could maybe make the argument that that person's doing no more than a streamer just letting a video play. And I'm not saying that they're correct. I'm just saying that it's an argument worth considering, because I feel like people would make it. But here's the thing. The game company gives broad consent to do that. If a video creator did consent for that upfront, then that would be fine as well. Like if someone says, do you watch my video and you don't say anything, then that's fine because they've said, watch my video. They've not said you need to react to it or whatever, right? Yes. So I guess... But if XQC uses effective precedent, like industry precedent of, yeah, but a lot of Twitch streamers will watch a YouTube video and nothing gets claimed, nothing happens. So whatever, like this is just the industry. That's it. And I think that the challenge to that is Atlas. Because if they said, oh, we don't want to stream in our games, but ultimately YouTube, all the content ID things, just were like, well, we can enforce that because we're not really enforcing it with anyone else. So yeah. By the way, there is examples of enforcement of this, like different companies who've gone crazy with like trying to protect their copyright, even in the form of people providing less plays. It has happened here and there. Yeah, there's one guy that was using a multiplayer mod for Zelda, and Nintendo absolutely bought the hammer of God down on Twitter. And Nintendo's like that, yeah. Well, didn't the guy recently who completed the Simpsons hit and run like complete remake, remaster whatever, and then like the announcement is just, you'll never see it because legally speaking, he's got no way to get that out. Yeah. But Simpsons audio, I guess, or even clips from the show. Well, that was AM2R, the Metroid 2 remake. That too, yeah. And I like it before the Metroid remake, you know, the actual Metroid 2 remake from Nintendo. Well, AM2R, the people who made that actually went on to make Ori and the Blind Forest and whatever. Do you remember, wasn't there an era in YouTube where Nintendo were like paying certain YouTubers to be able to provide let's plays? That was back in 2014, yeah. They had a little partner creator program thingy. Yeah, so basically they ran a YouTube MCN. Oh, yeah. That's old, old stuff, MCNs. It had a Nintendo MCN where if you're a part of the MCN, you could play new Nintendo games on your channel. I just want to dispel a myth that's quite common. Nintendo aren't, they're still fucking vicious in protecting the IPN stuff, but they do have like other companies, this kind of prior agreement that you can create content out of their games. So that is actually a thing that Nintendo have now. The MCN's long gone. You can make your Zelda fucking videos. Just don't use mods and you'll be fine, basically. Yeah. With the amount of hours I've streamed Luigi's Mansion and gotten away with it, you know. Yeah. So yeah, how about this? Forget about consent and legality for a minute, okay? Just talking about basic. Just talking about basic, you know, moral decency. Is it, is it better if somebody decides to like wait, say three or four weeks after a big video's come out and then reacts to it with providing almost no, providing almost no reaction itself like XQC is doing versus completely sniping it like an hour after it comes out and then taking like half an hour. Yeah, of course. It's gotta be better. Yeah. So there's definitely some sort of cool down period. Okay, if you wait a little bit, you can actually watch on stream this video. Right. I don't think it's ever okay to just play it freely. Well, yeah, obviously. But it would be better proportionately or comparatively. Yes, it would be better. Because obviously by that, the margin, or the thing that's like being focused on here is that you would feel like, oh, if the video's been out for a month, so views have substantially dropped off. You'd say, okay, well, there's a less likely chance that the people that watched it from XQC would have watched it on their own by that, by that time, right? Yeah. You'd be stealing from the market. You could still appeal to the principle that you should be transforming it and creating something that is like a new experience through your input. No, of course. Of course. Right. Just comparing the two different actions. Absolutely less harm incurred by the original creator. I mean, yeah, it would seem that way. Because I think you get like 90% of your views for a video in the first week or something. Be fair though. A channel like LEMONO would be a lot more evergreen. Like these are the kind of videos that are going to keep getting a lot of views for a long time compared to the kind of thing where it gets a lot of views like in the first couple of days and then it completely falls off because it's only about being relevant to what's happening right now in the landscape. Right. But the promise that like with XQC and Hasan, all these people that are reacting to it, it's like, oh, people are talking about this video right now. The algorithm's talking about this right now. So that's why they have to watch it so quickly. Do you guys think the same courtesy should apply to videos that get made that's like libelous where somebody is being smeared? And it's just like, are you supposed to just let that video sit for a week when you know otherwise? Well, it depends. If you're the subject of it or you're someone who's watching it to criticize it or to dispel it, I think that's totally fine. Right. Yeah. So if someone uploads a video and in like 10 minutes you respond to it, but it's some horrible accusation and you dispel it, I don't think anyone has to be like, hey, whoa, you're taking up their space in SEO. Like I don't give a fuck. Well, I think, I mean, even if it's, you know, if you were to watch this slum no video, OK, say you're some JFK, you know, historian, right? And you watch it and, you know, within three hours you're watching it and you're trying to debunk every point that he brings up because you think he's wrong. I mean, I think that's totally fine to do that. Well, that's an interesting point because like political stuff, you know, if you want to put across a different political position, I think that there is an unspoken rule like, you know, Hassan reacts to Ben Shapiro videos. What do you think of his politics? I think we'd all agree it would be unreasonable for Ben Shapiro to strike Hassan if he's given substantive critique to a political point he's making. Right. That's probably going to be his best stuff. Like best is in transformative, I strictly mean it. Yeah. But, you know, and that's the point what he might was making is we don't want it to be where we're striking each other. We want to have this discourse because we all feel each other with our takes and stuff and et cetera, right? It's like using the tools of the evil. It's like taking to that of DMC each other. People don't want to strike each other. But on that same token, be respectful to other people's creations, you know, in the sense of if you're going to watch it, transform it, add commentary, you know, like be engaged with the material instead of just instead of just watching the whole thing for like several minutes without saying a word. Well, I wonder if like a certain amount of time should go by where if you haven't said anything, it's just like, well, that's enough of that. If you want to check out the rest of it yourself. It's a good video. Go to this link and then whatever here on this stream will do something else now. Yeah. If you reach a point where you realize, damn, I'm not like adding anything. You should try and essentially correct it as much as you can by like directing people to the original creation, then stopping. Yeah. Which is interesting, right? If you didn't react for like half the video and the video was excellent, you might actually do a lot of good by being like, I'm going to stop here and continue it myself. You guys should also do the same when the stream is over or whatever. It promotes the video. Watching. Yeah. Watching with first. Right. So as opposed to once they watch the whole thing, it's like, well, that's that's that, you know, that's the end of that. Right. Okay. This is a build of like the average percent of time. What? Which is funny. He said it's the build of the average person at the time, which is interesting because like it's still hyper useful information because of the limited amount of people that are in the building. Yeah, because there's a lot of black people who work there. And so I'm going to describe the person as white is like, well, then it probably was a white guy. Bro, bro. 510 in that neighborhood. He was very slender or very thin. Chad, what was the color of the two black dudes in this frame before? What were the color blacks? Black. They were black. Say it. Yeah, it's pointless. It's hard to remember the color. No, no, no. No, remember this is it's hard. It's hard to remember, like when you're not paying attention to details and you're not giving it a task, is it? It's it's hard to remember that shit, man. Okay. See, you know how to do color is as opposed to seeing the color. Right. See, but see, that's to me, that's okay. That's a good critique because you're trying to add something. You're saying, you know, you're saying, look, it is It's hard to know this comment. You made a comment. Good. Sure. I've got one. Well, that's like 3-0. Yeah, that's true. So I have a question here, and I'm pretty sure I know all your answers, I think, but I'm just asking just- You don't know me. Would. Oh. Would. In a heartbeat. Would? Okay. Listen. So I've heard the argument from a few people that if- Absolutely. From a few people. I've heard from a few people that if you're watching a video on your stream and you- and that video is sponsored by, let's say, HelloFresh, and it's like a HelloFresh code in the video. If you include the HelloFresh code in your reaction, you've basically paid for your reaction because now your viewers will go use their HelloFresh code. What do you guys think of that argument? That's retarded. I don't think that really counts. I thought you were going to get that different route and do the thing where it's like some people literally skip the sponsored segments in the video. Well, that's even worse, I guess, but like- We're just super scumming. That's great fun. Yeah, it is. If we move now, we can skip sponsored segments, which is the most entitled shit I've ever fucking heard in my life. Yeah, we watch them here at EFAM. We do. Some of our best stuff comes from watching people's sponsorship reads. It's funny sometimes. Absolutely. It's really weird for commentary just because, again, good that he's commenting, but he's saying like, what a useless description that describes like most people and it's like, it's super useful. What do you mean? It narrows people down quite significantly. Yeah. Oh, it makes sense. In Walter's defense. What the fuck? Again, I felt like that's an opportunity to tell me what you're confused about. I don't know what he was confused about. He just said, what the fuck? All right. No, I'm confused. It's hard to visualize this without knowing what the windows are like, where the sun is at. What kind of light reflection you're looking at and the angle. This is how do you know this matters? What? Sounds more credible than the other guys. Yeah, honest. I wonder why he thought that. 1969. Maybe he's black because he's black and barely tell anything about the guy top. This guy, Eagle, I, Andy, robotic. No, every fucking feature. I translate this one. Okay. Range people can really tell anything about the guy top. This guy, Eagle, I, Andy, robotic. No, every fucking feature of this guy. And I am someone who could look. An eye. An eye. An eye. That's obvious. That was context alone. It was Andy. I thought, oh, because, because it's twitch speak, right? An eye, Andy. A blah, blah, blah, Andy. This is the thing. He's hard to tell. I think I did an okay job, right? Tried. Now I get it. Yeah, not a salient. Yeah, not a salient. Yeah, not a salient. Yeah, not a salient. Yeah, not a salient. Oh, that's what it is. Without the end of the floor. I'd love to know what he had to say about it, but never mind. What the fuck is happening here, dude? That's so hard. I'm pretty sure if you fire a shot from that, from that position, you're going to have echo in the other buildings and sound and some will echo, literally echo might make you think it's two shots. True. And no one's disagreeing here. There you go. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. Attempts to assess direction of going up based on even the system only. I mean, I just crafts back in days. There's something in the water. Everybody's on fucking drugs. I don't understand why he said this after he just said that the echo can repeat the shot and make it feel like it's coming from somewhere else because it seems like he's saying how insane that we have all these different directions coming from the audience. But that would be explained by the fact that the gunshot could have echoed off other buildings. Yeah. He says something was in the water. Oh, not fluoride back in the day, right? But I started doing that. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It's a lot of lead flying that day. But it's one of my complaints about like zombie movies and games and stuff where like whenever you shoot, all those zombies know exactly where you are. Pinpoint location. I know exactly where that shot was. I'm going to go and eat whoever it was and they all go there. I'm like, no, it's not quite that. You're a hundred meters away. You definitely can just get general direction. And rough distance. I'm overdue. This is this is always stupid enough. This is this is just brain dead shit, man. Brain dead shit. I'm not exactly sure why he said that. But I don't know why it's one. Projection. Maybe. Maybe he meant like that they could. Well, yeah. This is really interesting. Holy shit. I want to be a note about this multiple directions. Okay. Okay. Makes sense from the East. What is happening? I have no clue. I don't know what you figured out there. I thought that was already kind of said by the first crafts. But I think it gets it now. I guess that there are multiple directions you could assume the shots came from. I don't know. Okay. I've got some statistics to talk about quickly. Oh my God. Yeah. I don't know if you know this, but despite making up only, you know, you know the rest, don't you? 1% of this video is commentary. Ex-QC makes up for 100% of stupid statements. 9%. There we go. The Quebecers make up 60% of the military. Quebecers. That's all that. Quebecers. Yeah. No, Quebecers isn't accepted. Quebecers. Quebecers. Wall. Hey puppies. Hey. Hey. I'm out of re-graphs. I don't believe you. I'm 16. I didn't know that. Just that though. What? What if we were to simulate this and redo it in the same positions and shoot from the same spots and have people in the same positions and see what they hear and if it matches. Yeah, you could do that. I think you'd probably get the same result of you'd need the people to not know where the sound is going to come from to do the test. We're paying attention. If like you've told people that this is what the test is about, then they're going to be paying like hyper close attention to where the sounds come from. I mean, you could set them up in a position and blindfold them. So then you have to like, you have to listen. We're going to set the shot soon and you have to tell us where you believe it came from. Like that could be a fun test. It's true. Okay, chat. Chat. This is true. Get into a gun range. It's out of the way through the video here. Yeah. When somebody even even close to you, even across from the hall shoots a gun, even a rifle, you're going to feel that 100%. Maybe. You just heard a rifle shot above you. Why didn't you just go melee range and just see what. So to explain this, the interviewer says you heard the gunshot. Why didn't you go up to the sixth floor and the guy says, well, maybe because we were scared of the gunshot, which is reasonable. Yeah. And actually he's making fun of the interviewer, but I'm actually, I don't know if I'm the only one that thinks this, but I'm fine with the interviewer asking the question to get that information on record. Yeah. Why didn't you go up? I was scared. It's not like the interviewer's saying that doesn't make sense. He's just making sure the question's asked. I just want to point out a bit of extra lore on this point. XQC has said that if there was a home invasion and there was someone downstairs with a gun, he would not go downstairs to challenge them. I mean, yeah. Very understandable position. Here he is criticizing this guy for not going upstairs. Yeah. Go upstairs. The guy that you know has a gun and close the distance and get melee range. He's making fun of the interviewer. He's saying, the interviewer is saying, why didn't you up to the sixth floor after knowing the gunshot was heard? Okay. I'll tell you on that. I don't realize that. And the next you see is saying, yeah, why don't you just go melee range? You know, like he's saying, like the interviewer's insane to ask that question. I mean, I'm in stream mode. I'm not really penitentiating. It's all right. Well, I thought the same thing. I got the same thing out of it. Right. So. What's up? What are you doing, dude? We were frightened. He's in chat. Stop saying like idiot interviewer sort of thing. Why don't you go with PVP, man? Jesus. What a gamble. What a gamble? What's their job? Question. Please don't have radios at the time. You can radio in or ask for help or back up or whatever. If you went in alone and didn't detain anybody or somebody to cover the doors or the exits or whatever. Well, this was 1963. So it's very likely that radios weren't like the easy to carry around. And he was probably. This is one guy. He runs into trying to find out as much as he can. He's probably panicking. The president just potentially just got killed. You know what I mean? Like there's a lot that's happening that makes this. I think a lot of people will be like Captain hindsight. Like, you should have gone here and done this. Easily very stressful situation. Very impromptu. And of course, I don't think anyone's been shot since. I don't know the last president president. It would have been Reagan, right? I think Reagan was the last one. This was 63. So this would be. I mean, like how long had it been before that? Since the president had been shot. So U.S. President's shot. List of U.S. Presidential assassination attempts. John F. Kennedy. William McKinley. In 19. Oh, is this listed by. So it looks like we had. Lincoln Garfield McKinley. JFK. And those were the ones who were killed. Yeah. Yeah. Roosevelt was shot. Ronald Reagan was shot. But survived. So. Reagan was that was an 81. Theodore Roosevelt. The attempt was made in 1912. McKinley was assassinated in 1901. So it had been like 50 years. Since a president had been shot. Successfully or otherwise. So I guess it's a, you know, a very strange thing for us to think. And it's, but like nowadays we sort of live in a little bit of a different world. You know, we're post. You know, we are post, you know, the JFK assassination and the stuff like that. So. I guess you just have a different mindset back then, you know, in the 60s. You know, a lot of ways things are more chill. Well, I think technology is also helps like the secret service or whatever. Monitor stuff to prevent things from happening. Right. Sure. I mean, like the mindset that you might be in in 1963, the idea that a president was, you know, like shot and killed, it had, it had been 50 years since it, since that had happened. So chill about it. Well, it just wouldn't probably, yeah, it wouldn't even come to mind. Yeah. You know, so. Mm hmm. Might explain. They did have radios. What the fuck is this guy doing? Just letting people leave the building. It's kind of annoying because like, you know, if me and Adam are watching this video like this, that'd be a good question. It's like, wait, do they have, what kind of technology do they have? Could they have done this more effectively? Yeah. You know, he's standing, he's sitting in front of a computer that has internet access. He can look up this answer and try to get to the bottom of it. And that would add more, you know, quote, transformative. You know, value to the video because I mean, I was looking up right now because I am curious about that. You know, when exactly that happened. So portable radios introduced in the 1960s. So. They have like radios. Like, but it doesn't seem like they had the two way like handheld radios until like the 80s or the late 70s. Yeah. It would probably be something like that. I would imagine because of course radios existed. You know, but it takes a while for things to get smaller and portable and higher quality. Right. You know. So people will one day look at this and be like, well, you know, body. Why didn't they have body cams? Like, well, it was 2007 and it wasn't really a thing quite yet. You know, that's the right. They did have walkie-talkies, but it doesn't seem like the screen these articles I'm looking at. It didn't seem like for whatever reason, the police use them commonly. I don't know about the secret service, but maybe the secret service had them or the presidential detail had them with them. But the person, as far as I know, that is doing the investigating here. I think they were like the Studebaker, I think was his name, right? I can't, I can't quite remember. But wasn't he a policeman? I can't quite recall. But I don't know if he was part of the presidential detail or if he was part of local law enforcement. Right. Oh, I fucking, I missed it. I should have said what, when we were investigating when the radios were made, I should have said we should have Googled it. Oh, I missed it. Oh, that would have been so clever. Oh, wow. Shame. Damn, man. Now I feel bad. Like, hold up. Hold up. People on the fifth floor, right? Could they not maybe hear audio from the person rushing down from the sixth floor? You know, they're next to the window. Maybe they could hear staircase. To the amount of people saying stop pausing. Stop pausing. Noises or whatever. Like, you could pass previously. Possibly. Here's the audio. It's such an interesting feedback loop because he starts to feel guilt when he pauses. Yes, it's the opposite. It's the exact opposite of you guys. And you guys. No, that's not how I... And I was thinking well, I guess so while my mind was on it. You might have had portable radios the whole time and it's just not a part of this particular video. You know? Sure. They might have just been saying the normal things that you say in a situation like that and it's not really an important part of this video's presentation of events. I'd be interested to know what their cryptographic technology was on those radios because it might have been that it was mandated that they couldn't really talk about anything that important on them. That's a good point. Yeah, because maybe back then anyone could have a radio and just tune into it. As far as I know, the nature of radios is as long as you know the frequency you can listen in. There's cryptographic technology in most military radios which is why our radios weigh a friggin' ton and there are handheld versions of them but even then they look kind of big and chunky. So I imagine that if there were any in the 60s they would be cumbersome if they were actually encoded. Police probably wouldn't be using that right because having police scanners and things like that to listen into police communications is just a pretty normal thing. Yeah, but they're not usually doing secret operas. Yeah, it's mostly like there's a thing over here, go check it out guys. You sure will, yeah. Military is a bit different though because you can reasonably assume that you will have counterintelligence that is trying to listen to your communications and if they hear it it might be really bad. Right, but I would understand that if you're supposed to protect someone from assassination you would want to have your communications be encrypted. But again, I don't know anything about it really, I was just saying that that could be a possible to look into to get more information on why the communication wasn't as effective as it could have been. With Manishing by the way this is what XUC would consider transformed enough to upload to his channel. This is on his channel right now. Nice. I feel like the way that I have edited it makes it seem like he's adding to it a lot more than he actually is. Trust me. You cut it down that if you have watched the original video and you like XUC and you just want to see what he thought of it and you made the perfect edit. Sorry, I just want to say the radio point. Isn't it obvious that Secret Service Special Forces types people would have all encrypted in loop radio with each other that wouldn't be accessible by external parties? Now it is. I don't know the answer to that question. I don't know. I only thought to bring it up because I thought that might have been a possible explanation as to why there wasn't a whole lot of radio chatter. Sorry, the dogs. They say something in the video of the cops decided or the police wanted to these things, the way that they did that might have been through the radio. I don't like in the 60s when you see people with a military radio in the 60s it's like a big chunky box and there's a giant antenna and maybe it's a guy with a backpack. I don't know what the Secret Service had or was using and the police was using in 1960. I remember in this for those of you who have seen the Lemono video it was discovered as they knew but the Lee Harvey Oswald interviews and allegations after he was arrested are not recorded because the police didn't have a voice recorder. They didn't have a recorder. Well, if you believe the deep state if you believe the deep state lies in the reptilian setup, yeah, it's true but that's allegedly what's happening. I'm going to assume that if he didn't upload it wouldn't make it any better, would it? Because he's still watching on a stream. We still got on stream, right? He still extracted the utility of it on stream. Yeah, he got it. It's a step worse to put it on YouTube because then it acts as an alternative product essentially to the original, right? Yeah, it takes up space and search, yeah. As it originally broadcasted I would say that uploading obviously it lasts longer, right, lasts indefinitely but on stream you've still extracted the value of that creation with minimal commentary. Yeah. Fuck it's true. Chet, hold up, hold up. Chet, I don't really blame them I feel like if anything big happens seconds to minutes are like condensed it's really hard to tell. True. Yeah. Wait. Why wouldn't they get at least deposed? Well, he's bald and elder. He is elder. That's pretty common. That's pretty common. Pretty common? I think it's pretty common, yeah. I think someone that actually speaks English should have actually done this not Moeller who speaks Welsh. That's true. That's the whole of a set of flaws on top of the French, you know. And then what's important here, dude is the shape of the staircase and that sounds like not a big deal but sound travels in a big flat of stairs with a big middle portion like in schools and this is completely different. It makes sense that if you miss a timing you fucking miss a timing. Why is it so fucking dumb? It annoys everybody so stupid. Uh oh, it's a pause for me. Yeah, I got buffering on my end. Yeah, it's the same buffering. The video was like crashed on my end. I had to refresh. That's right, let me refresh real quick. Just making sure. Once again, I might have just had a little tism. Oh no, it's back to the start. 12. We're at 13.05. Yeah, it could have been a moment. We have to watch the whole thing again. Is everyone good? That's the best moment, right? Yeah, I'm good now. That's wild. What's that? What's he doing? I'm not entirely sure. A little bunker. A little bunker. Alright, someone translate that. Yeah, get a little bunker. He made a? Is that what JADMO is? He had a little bunker. He had a little bunker. My watch together is still messing up. Sorry, I can't help with this time. Oh no. Yeah, refresh the whole page. Yeah, I got it now. What is this crime scene contamination fucking protocol bullshit? What the fuck are they doing? That's not all you have to say about that. Oh, I can't. Okay, that one I didn't really care. What? I think he's just upset that the idea that someone would have tampered with the evidence, which, yeah, you don't want to hear that. That's bad. Can he say more about it though? Expand on that thought, elaborate. You're asking a bit of much there. The fucking what is happening? Okay, dude, this is a troll. This is a fucking troll. No, it's all a troll. I wish I knew what he was talking about. What do you mean, man? The police is just a troll. The investigation is a troll investigation. A troll killed the president. In his pocket. I wonder why he doesn't elaborate, you know? Well, if you remember his head where it's just like, I object to this, this is an accurate, like, why not go into detail? Because his audience is desperately saying stop pausing. Yeah, like, he actually believes he'll upset his audience if he was to elaborate. Right, right. He's insane, obviously. Yeah, I mean, imagine that mentality, right? It's like, oh, my audience is here for the video, not for me. I can't interfere. I'm just simultaneously argue this should belong to you. Like, this is your contribution. It's insane. I don't get it. Well, it's a combination of bravado and humility. I have a good question. Sorry, what was that? It's sort of a combination of both bravado and humility that's really interesting. It's like, yeah, mine now. Well, you know, they're not here to see me. They're just here to... Well, the highlight of the stream last night was he said that he is absolutely and easily replaceable if he was to go tomorrow. Like, he would be replacing an instant. However, he is the best. Yeah, no, it's not. He's the best at being totally replaceable. Humble. He's the goat. I don't know if it's humble or if it's just like, he thinks that helps his argument, even though it didn't. We're all equal. Just some of us are more equal than others. That's what it is. There's a hole here, right? If he carelessly dumped them on the ground, wouldn't he do it like that? Because it would be scared of it. It would jump in the hole and he would lose evidence. I feel like he wouldn't carelessly drop fucking kids on the ground, knowing that they could probably be lost forever, so he ended up fucking wall. It's an okay comment. Maybe he didn't, like, actually throw them or anything. He put them down wherever. You know? What? Okay, they lost me. I have to go back to my point. They lost me. This is a really simple part. This is just where they talk about, yeah, so they found the rifle over here. Originally, someone thought it was a Mauser because the profiles of what he could see was pretty similar. But then they looked at it and it was a Karkano rifle, and then they talked into tracking back the rifle where it was purchased and where it was delivered to and all that. So this isn't real. This part isn't complicated. So he just made it up? The rods. The rods. Yo. I know this is the 60s, okay? But crime scene is something that they've already studied it for decades before that. It's not that crime was invented in the 70s or something like that. There's still protocols that they all then follow. The entirety of the floor is a crime set at that point. Anything that they do is contamination. What the fuck is happening? I mean, that's kind of a fair comment. You wonder how this wasn't treated very, very carefully and how these mistakes got made. It would be neat to have. Considering it was the president, you know, who has won me a shot. There was a lot of involvement from a lot of people. They did reenactments. They did all these interviews that are being used. There's a lot of pictures and photographs and videos and all this sorts of stuff. Like there was extensive things that were done. It's just they seem to have been done in a somewhat careless manner like the shell casings and what should be looking for evidence like when they talk about the paper bag how originally it was just like they didn't even think about looking for a paper bag because, you know, why would you? Though I would say a lot of the developments of treatment of crime probably it's not like, because he's correct, it's not like they would be in the first time they understand how you're supposed to not hamper with everything, but at the same time it probably isn't as developed as it will be. There's so much in the 60s. Even in the video they talk about dusting for prints and everything like that. Also back in the 60s they were probably looking for a black guy. There you go. Again, this is something he could stop the video look up, try to look into the history of crime scene investigations. Yeah, I feel like it's worth emphasizing. You know, you made an observation you could make it longer one. Right. I enjoy them when they come up, they're so much fun. So much fun. He just dumped it. I don't know what he said. He just dumped it. I got that one. I'm 16. Okay, so it's consistent with the story? Huh? Huh? Huh? Would that have more context if we saw where he was in the video? Well, you'd be able to better figure out what he's reacting to in general, but I don't know that does much, you know? We don't need to review every single thing he says. It's just pointing out that he does say some things sometimes. Yeah. We gotta pause constantly. The fuck is happening? He's been here this whole time. He was threatened and made it. But look at that timeline. Yeah, we're almost there. Getting into that final... Man, I like much of that cumulatively in times of three minutes. Maybe like four or five minutes tops. Also, Chad, I've got you to chat up. Why are they so retarded? That message. What's your transformative chat? What's happening in the retarded chat? Why is the quality of the comment a part of the discussion? Is that really part of any legitimate argument? Did they miss the part where I said several fucking times that I don't mind if it's a shit comment, as long as it's a comment? We're also trying to complement some of the things that he says to point out that he is capable of reacting. I will say that the quality of the commentary is probably an element here, right? That he does more than just go whaaat? What's going on? The only thing that we were talking about was the quality of the commentary and transformative material. But unfortunately, we're not in that place. We're mainly in a place of binary. Like, is he even doing anything? Right now, no. Right now, yes. One thing to understand, there's a lot of like excuse... Well, I say a lot. There's like some XUC fans that are in my chat, so they probably just don't like... Oh, why? They're probably being criticized. I do like the idea that it's like, you guys are being mean to him while he takes someone's work and just sells it on his own channel. Yeah, yes we are. Yeah, being a little bit mean, that's okay though. Just say that. Is that true? Is that true? Okay. Somebody says I'm only use outlook fabricated or altered or after the fact tampered. Just multiple accounts that just tampered with it. She caught a flea. I'm going to be the one to say this, chat. I'm the chicken conspirators at this point. This guy ate lunch four times, went up there, set up the gun, got Dr. Pepper, two of them and started eating a whole chicken in two different locations. This guy, he's just eating all day. He just can't get enough of this food. He's busting it. I will say four lunches is pretty great. Yeah. There's something there. I'd like to delve into the chicken conspiracy, but I don't think he does. Ooh. When you look at the glance, a head chef is a big young chef. They both look like a peanut with back of hairlines. You could easily make that mistake. The way we see face, this is resembling. Yes. You really stated what they said, the video said. The point is that a lot of people mix those two up, but Lemino's personal commentary is that he doesn't believe that he would mix them up. But I mean, that's just down to everybody, I guess. Yeah. Okay, actually, that would be such a sweet mistake, though, because that's a floor that he knows he's going to be shooting at. He knows what floor it is, and he knows the other employee would know what floor it is, and that it wouldn't work in the fucking, either he's just very stupid or I don't fucking know. Placed himself. All right. I got a problem last time. Okay, I promise. Oh, god damn. How is it? By conflicting. The other guy said, I heard the shots, and I went to the clock. I heard the shots, and I had lunch, but I already had lunch, so I had lunch both at the same time, and I teleported it. Well, me, I say they have to get to the top. Everybody has a dumb ass fucking alibi. It's like, well, there's no alibis. I don't even, I'm not sure what to do with any of that. It's just like... Using the word alibi, I'm playing it is wrong. Well, is he trying to say that this is evidence that Oswald's innocence? Like, what is the point that he's trying to get across here? Not entirely sure. Okay. What? What? Oh, my god. Oh, my god. I can't... What? What? Bro. This kid's so shit, bro. Jack, Jack. I can't even blame him, dude, because who knows what was going on at the time in the fucking news on TV, in the newspaper. He specifically talked about a communist plot. I'm going to talk about a fucking dog shit brainwrap propaganda about fucking communism and communist shit. These things were probably fucking absolutely... No, this was like, this was 1963. Like, the idea of a communist plot was like, that was probably not like some crazy conspiracy when he gave it what was going on with the world. Right. I mean, but all right. Well, there would have been a real consideration that the USSR could have been involved. Yeah, of course. That's easily something that you have to investigate. Oh, our president was assassinated. It's 1963. Were the Russians behind it? There was a confusion in 2001 for a bit. Now, I know the Russians were behind the attempted assassination of... What was his name in Secret Evasion? President... Oh, what's his face? That guy, yeah. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, I know they were behind it then. So, yeah. Yeah. How can you blame him? Hold up. Also, if they were scared about some shit, they could have easily tampered them in any way that they wanted to. Right? If they knew what kind of state of mind he was in and what he was saying, easily they could have let him into saying shit as much as they wanted to. Without much leverage. I don't know. They're saying the guy was worried that if he gave an accurate assessment of who the suspect was that it would put him in the ire of the... That was a while ago now, Rags. I think now he's talking about Oswald when being interviewed may have been able to be compelled to say anything. Which is relatively true, sure. Sure. Maybe. Maybe. Why wouldn't they do that undercover? What? He's been shot. He's been shot. Okay. Live reaction to history. What? You didn't know that this happened? Guys, have you heard about this? I need to tweet. I need people need to know. Suck my balls. What a... I can't do it. Did he actually not know that was going to happen? I think it's that he didn't realize that's how it happened. Oh, maybe. It seems to be saying they dropped the ball in how they protected him. I'm guessing is what he's getting across, right? Of course. I guess he's not American, so maybe we'll give him a pass, but it's super well known. What the fuck? They had all these precautions and shit. All these precautions. The armored truck heading people outside. It's time to move the suspect. There's a bunch of dudes and they're just hanging... Bro, this is a fucking killing floor. Look at this shit. This is balloons, T.D. This is a tower defense game. What the fuck? That's funny. What is he saying? He can't say his name right, yet they look to his right and this guy's nodding his head. Stand up, please. Okay, so you dumb motherfucker. Listen, when you are giving a press statement about the person who killed the person who killed the president, you want to be damn sure that the name that you say while making a public statement that's being broadcasted is the correct name. So he looked for confirmation that the name that he was saying is the correct name. Why... Duh. Like what? I don't know why he took issue with that exactly. He goes by the name of Jack Blueby. That sounds about right. What do you have to say? Eh... Yeah, so I said three people. Three out of like nine. Then they should just ask Mr. Carr who has eagle eye in the fucking building here out of steel because this guy's got HD4K of everybody's fucking accessories across the fucking board. In the other video they talked about the guy with the machine gun on the ground firing more shots. They said that there was more than three shots in the other video where everybody was shooting and shit. It was machine gun on the ground sideways, umbrella guy back guy, MP5 I don't fucking know. There's a witness that's on the ground he's next to a store and the other the store picked it up as well. The guy had a machine gun and it was mainly a range of the motorcade Can you stop pausing for one fucking second? He's pausing way too much. It's wild like these these worlds. It is crazy. The video was nearly over. He's paused like it's funny because if you be like oh 20 times it's like yeah in like what a two hour video and each time there was a pause it was maybe at most like 45 seconds of commentary. Totally different paradigm man I'm telling you he's not playing well. I don't know I think it speaks to something that this kind of the awkward elephant in the room when it comes to this subject is dude these people are here to see the video and extract everything that they can from that video here like and none of that is going to be manifested on that or maybe like a small portion Is there any question here of like what's happening it's like it's Lemono is entertaining his audience. That's what's happening. Exactly. Which is cool because Lemono is great but it's not all of the benefit of his work. But yeah but then it's like it's like XQC is the one that puts this on his channel and it's like the video the word that gets passed around is cannibalized. On the ground he was in a melee range with a machine gun. Right. Fair enough. Fair enough but that theory falls short when there's multiple parts that all are going in the same direction sometimes you say one direction and the book Direction sounds like direction like it's a fucking joke calm down. I'm sick of it dammit I'm going in the same direction. That's another story though and I have to give that some validity That shot is insane though Okay. I guess that's the end of that thought. But what about the person who shot him? The image of what they asked him What was his motive? Why? How did he even get there in the first place? What about that guy? He was rather famous for abandoning a secret service to Talon. No, the Bobby. True. I mean that's devil security detailing right there. That's complete garbage. I don't know what they didn't even allow that. They find themselves without the president that suddenly Yes, yes. The point of the video was that the secret service struggled. They stressed the fuck out with JFK because he liked to talk and get close to people. Yeah, he liked to do this. Oh yeah. Because this brought a point that was being made that there were other opportunities for somebody to try and assassinate him that would have been Here's a question. Do you think when it was like, you know, getting close to white people was kind of a bit more okay, but then when he got close to a black person there was like a slightly elevated stress increase because they were all racist at the time. I don't know, Chad. What do you think? Why did you, why, why? Why are you bringing that up? Well, I just want to know, you know, everyone thinks racism is bad, right? Yeah, probably. Well, uh, allegedly, yeah. Acid poison. Acid poison. Acid poison. But how many witnesses did they get? We only got like three people, four people. What? Didn't they? We got a lot of people. One of the video was that they got like dozens. Yeah. And then the graphs that were about all of the people who thought what they, the direction of the sound of the shot as well. That was like a lot of, they talked to a lot of people and a lot of that was like covered in the video. This video included more than four people's direct commentary or questions, you know, responses to questions. What is this coming from? When there was possibly hundreds, why don't they just get everybody in and just instead of doing it one to one precise a testimony breakdown of one person two, three. Fuck it, dude. Just go with the average. The what? Just go with the average report? Is he saying that just take the average testimony? I think he said like if you asked, yeah, if you asked 10 people, they all like point to where the gun was fired, then you average it out. So you average it out to be in the space between where all of them are. Yeah. He's floating over the street, sir. Oh my god. Even hundreds. Okay. I'm done. I honestly, this is opinionated. I'll be honest with you. I like, I like this little guy. I like this video. I can tell some thoughts I have about the whole video. It seems opinionated in conclusion but also in facts. I feel like some of those I've heard it differently in other sources or whatever. But maybe I'm wrong. The facts are given. It seems opinionated. I think it means biased. No, I don't think it's argument. I get it. It's open like that. I think it's open like this, right? Oh, wow. Inclusion B, right? In a bunch of things. Is that how he fucking draws his Bs? All here and there and there and there and there. He's transforming right now. He is transforming. This is great. Much easier to go with B, right? Because that's what happens. That's how Bs are drawn in French Canada. Yeah. I don't understand what the problem is. He drew Bs on MS Paint. But people are like, oh, we're doing it. But what if this and what if that and what if this and what if that the path is much harder to get there. I think it's pretty clear. The red is the facts and people are saying B is most likely and then other people are saying but what if this and that and that that gives us A and he's saying it's just too much of a reach. But is he like opining on philosophy right now? I think he's just trying to discredit the crazier theories because they require too much of a reach. If people are making that conclusion instead of just going like, well, it could have just been that because it's right next to it. It's how a lot of things are pointing out to it. I feel like I see your face now with B. It feels like he's turning into a little critter. Everybody needs to be coordinated. Line is in the direction. Well, that's much harder than just being what it is. So I don't know. Very true. Okay, so no wrap up. Anyway, that was Lemon O's video. If you really, if you like this video maybe like check out some of his other stuff and go to his Patreon. I think he links the video into his channel. That's better than Hassan who immediately clicked J's video. Hassan actively prevents people from promoting their own work, which is crazy. That's why. I think I'll change now to be fair. Hassan has gotten better. Actually, you know what? You are correct that he's gotten better because he actively sat on the stream with H3 which we can check out next that he's stopped leaving and leaving videos around, I believe. Okay. That's not actually true. That's not true. I'm told. Well, I guess it's probably worthwhile to clarify, I guess, though, before we move on to something different. Is it safe to say that the reactions of the other videos, the other prominent videos being part of this discussion is similar to this? Arguably, one of them I would say is worse. Maybe I can actually find... I mean, next you see. Yeah. Well, I mean, hang on, I'll show you. Do I just want to say one thing? Do it. He got permission from some of the creators to actually upload the react, so I think I just don't want it to be taken because... Well, so this is just about whether or not they're transformative. Whether or not he gets permission for these or pays creators or gets licenses, that would change a lot of whether or not it's valid to put it on to the channel. I just think that this is considered transformative for some reason. Okay. But why? The original video was an hour and 38 minutes and XQC added 15 minutes of content. Arguably? Well, okay, 15, yeah. His video is 15 minutes longer. And it's kind of interesting that we kind of jumped ahead, but like, your video that contained the sped up hour and 38 video at 16 times with his 15 minutes of ums and us and the occasional thoughts was only, like, what? 24 minutes? 21 minutes? Well, it seems like, on average, there was an interjection maybe every 10 minutes. See me right? I don't know if it's a math, but, you know, they're really fast. I would think anyone being, like, neutral and unbiased would say that adding 15 minutes of, you know, commentary even if it was good commentary to an hour and 38 minute video is not enough. But it seems like, again, that the fundamental divide in the discussion is that people do believe that that shared viewing experience is enough. Even though, like, how much of that can you say stems from the creator themselves? Why would that be relevant as, like, in terms of could you apply this to everything ever? As long as you have a chat, how large does the chat or the community need to be in order for it to be transformative? Is it transformative content about the content, though, and not the viewing experience? Somebody would probably argue, I guess maybe the argument of the pod would be, like, yeah, but I mean, I can see the chat, so I can almost, like, vicariously live through the chat's reaction, even if it's, you know, months or years later. And it's like, I mean, it is an additional element that isn't present in the original, but is that sufficient? Is that enough? Is that good enough? No. The legal argument, you know, most of our content might, may not, I don't know if you said it before. I'm not making the, yeah, I'm trying to focus more on that. Like, somebody in my chat would be stupid, I just want to clarify. Well, I understand a person who would like the experience of the chat. I get that argument and it's fine, but that doesn't mean that it's morally right. I just feel like a lot of people are saying, oh, I like this thing that makes it okay. It's like, well, I mean, no, people like to steal movies all the time. It doesn't make it okay. You know it's not okay to do that. Yeah. People like to watch children fight to the death, and we can't do that. Wow, you just stole my whole argument, Adam. You got to pay me. I only came here to watch that video, Mahler. Why are you ridiculous? Anyway, this I split into, he's watching a video called Hilton Aborting School by Nexpo. It's pretty solid. I would fully recommend it, but it's a bit creepy. It's not a fun reality to find out about. In any case, he's watching it. I took out all of his commentary just to see how long it is with him not talking and then sped it up. Small, tiny video to get the mood up. To get the mood up. Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. He comes back. He's coming back. Okay. Okay, good, good. I just get terrified whenever I see just the chair. Oh my god, time 64. Wow. Time 64. Yeah, that's a lot, guys. That's a big number. Every second that goes by is a minute. Yes. And so this is devoid of commentary, so you've cut out of it. He has some expressions and I think I may have left in the times where he goes oh, hmm. Okay. Okay. Man. That's... 64 times 64. Every one of these seconds is a real life. This is uploaded. I guess this is transformative. I need one minute. He does do the thing. No. Oh god. I love how he turns the low back. I'm not coming back anytime soon. A little bit. The walk away stuff is the worst. Yeah. Okay, there you go. I posted earlier in the group chat that Hassan is still doing it because he did it yesterday to the New York protest. Hassan believes that the idea of transforming, you don't have to do this for the news. Say he believes you could watch CNN or Fox News or whatever and you don't have an obligation to transform it. I think there should be an allowance for some forms of content that you don't necessarily need to transform it if it's like a public sort of, say for example, disaster happened and it's like he's playing the news report. Maybe one would say he's excused because that looked like news. Exhibit B. If you could reasonably see it on in the lobby of any workplace you enter. Like the news. Which one? I'll show this on Twitter. Yeah, this is the one that's marked a lot of this as well. No. Don't do it. No. No. 64. Don't tell me that the whole video complains to these not here. Don't tell me that. He's back. That was what, like 20 minutes, half an hour, it would be between there because of the, it would be something big. The rest of this is just the same kind of reaction he gave to the little, the liminal. Yeah, that's the awkward part is, in terms of how limited the reactions are when he's there, it's almost, there's not much of a difference, is there? A lot of the time. Oh, you know. I guess most that you could appeal to is small facial expressions. Yeah. Well, someone in your chat, Mahler, asked, what do you expect him to do? That's actually a fair question. What do I expect him to do? Yeah. Anything, anything would do. So I have a solution for me. You know, my community picks out the best moments of streams. I compile them into a playlist and I play those while I'm AFK. Like, that's what you do. Oh, aren't you so virtuous? You can do something else. Well done. Yeah. Good idea though. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a great idea. Or just, like, just leave and pause. So, consider all of your, like, you are now an XQC Reacts Watcher. You've got all the context you need. That's what you've been getting. And then a Twitter fight breaks out. Here we go. Just a shame garbage like this fills the recommended tab. Who does YouTube pay the ad revenue to in a situation like that? I hope it's not XQC. Imagine being so small-minded. Who do you think they pay? Do you think I care about that revenue and it's computed into anything? I guess the name, P.F.P., explains it. I wonder what triggers people like... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. If he doesn't care, then why is he uploading it to YouTube? Uh, he would argue it's for the content, for the fun, for the audience, for the, like, it's... He really would want to argue to you that he's doing it because it's providing, like, good to the world. You can upload... For the YouTube folks. Okay, wait, wait. As a YouTuber, you can upload any video you want. I monetize, yeah. Exactly, and not monetize it, yeah. Or if someone cooperates, so I should just let them have it because... You would do that. He's got an editor he needs to pay. He's got an editor he needs to pay. So he's sad that, like, the revenue he gets from this stuff is nothing compared to his other revenue streams, and so that's why he doesn't... As he just saw in the tweet, so he doesn't care about it. Yeah, but the promise is not... Like, okay. I'm getting... He probably doesn't care personally. He's uttered a lot here. He probably doesn't care personally, but in his view, he's got an editor that he needs to pay the salary of, right? I don't know, I don't think I've ever heard him use that argument that the editor is why he needs to monetize them. I think he would just say, like, fuck it, why wouldn't I monetize it? It's money where I can get money where I would otherwise... No one gets money or whatever. Well, he actually got a strike. You think you fight it? You just let it. No, he doesn't make a point to say that any and all claims that come in, he doesn't fight, he lets them go. Like, so... No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. If you got a strike, would he fight it? Not... Oh, sorry. I don't know if I've... What he has to say about strikes, I don't think I've... Because if he got three strikes... Yeah. Which he could probably very easily get if someone wanted to, you know... People actually, yeah, I gave a shit. Yeah, they just... Are you calling for brigading? Nope. I'm not calling for it. I'm saying theoretically. I'm saying, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that I think his opinion would be very different if he got a strike versus someone just wanted the money from it. Thank you so much. Revenue share, audience split, algorithm. I've heard this complaint a million times and most public figures try to attack it from multiple angles, just to fall flat on their fate. I'm watching a vid I like to my people. That's it. I'm a fan of the React's videos but I feel it's extremely unfair. The original video's provider needs to get a portion of the income from your React's videos. A 50-50 or more for him. They can claim the whole fucking thing and they do a lot of times. I swear you guys just make shit up for the hell of it. My stuff gets re-uploaded for the YouTube frogs that miss the stream. Get me contradictory analytics or facts. Anything else is Zed Zed. I know you're not the brightest but I didn't take... What was that? You can't get a Mahler robot voice? I don't fucking know how to do that. It sounds like... AI now, Mahler, come on. They keep doing it for us. I like the robot voice. He's cool. I always got to say it's kind of unfair. It's kind of unfair to give the robot voice to XQC's tweets because we can really understand what he's saying. He types bad things very clear. He speaks, I think. I think that's fair. And the robot is just reading it out. The robot. I expect you to be this intellectual. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Forgetting the robot voice. What were you going to say? There's a massive part of this argument that XQC is skipping over, which is that, yeah, you can make some argument that he doesn't care about when the video gets re-uploaded to YouTube because it's some minuscule part of whatever money he makes. But if the majority of money he makes is from Twitch and from the streaming of it, the idea is like... Right, and also subscribers and all sorts of things. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, shut, shut, shut, shut. Calm down, you don't know what I'm going to say. No, I will not calm down, but I'll let you continue, please. Wow, tone police, tone policing, wow. The whole thing here is that he's saying, oh, it doesn't matter if I don't... He's like trying to make this argument that I'm not making money from this, it doesn't matter, but it does matter because if he didn't do this on his stream, if he just like, oh, I have to go AFK, or oh, I don't know what content to cover, I'm just going to sit here and play a video game or talk to you guys. He feels in his mind that that would cause a drop in viewership overall for him on his Twitch channel and that would lead to him getting less money. So he does care, he is using this content to directly profit off it and grow his brand and pretending otherwise is ridiculous. I think it's more that he's probably just finds it easier to watch a video than play video games. That being said, I think he still does play video games. Yeah, he still does. Yeah, but he's trying to like argue like this element of what he's doing isn't that important. And if it's not, then he wouldn't do it. I've got to be honest with you. Ask him if he could go live taking a shit and he probably still get a bunch of viewers. Well, then why doesn't he do it? Why doesn't he do that then? If that's... Because he wants to do it because he's just said it to you, hasn't he? For fuck's sake. He said he wants to do it. He just wants to do it. So he's like, I just want to do it. So I get to do it. Is that really the level of argumentation we have here? He just wants to do it. I would actually, I think I have with chat on this one. He wants to watch those videos and so it's like I can watch them live. So if we could monetize every element of our lives, I assume, funnily enough, I wouldn't want a fucking stream. I don't want a stream going to shit to have a shit. But like what? Even though mine are magnificent, I wouldn't want to stream them. Yeah. I completely disagree with you based on what your argument was with him last night. Well, so wait, what? He was very minded. I disagree with Chud saying like, oh, well, you just take a shit. Well, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. He would just do it. Let's pretend he has 10 actions he can take. Go in to have a shit, making food, go and outside for a walk, watching a video, playing a game, et cetera. He picks the ones that'll have the highest engagement with the viewers. That's true. Exactly. Yeah, but there's still things he wants to do anyway and finds fun. As long as they take all those boxes, that's why he loves it. Okay, but that's irrelevant. That doesn't matter. His argument, he's trying to make this argument like, oh, he's trying to dismiss and downplay the importance of him doing these actions. But as you said, he has all these different choices. He's choosing the one he thinks is gonna get him the most engagement. I mean, yeah, no, I don't disagree with that, but I also think that he's doing it because he likes doing it. I mean, to me, that makes the argument weaker, but... Isn't uploading to YouTube also advertising for his Twitch stream? Isn't it like an advertising? So even if he doesn't make ad revenue off the videos, it's still advertising to get people to go sub to him on Twitch. I'm having a really quick look at his viewership and just over the last week, it's kind of peaked, I think. It's a bit of a fucking wash, but he's got a decent viewership about the same playing Counter-Strike. On one day, he got more viewership, playing Overwatch, same for another day, just chatting at peaks, but I don't know if that's reacting or drama or whatever. So it's kind of a wash. I don't think that him reacting to videos has given him significantly more viewers than he did. No, no, no, you're not understanding. It's not a question of him watching a video versus him playing a video game. It's him watching a video versus doing nothing. Right, just sitting there. Why would he choose to do nothing? If you're gonna just sit around in a chair and just watch someone else's video, you're essentially just doing nothing. That's true, but he's entertained. He knows that his audience are more entertained. Right, but that's my point. Yeah, you could say he would make the same amount of viewership by doing something, like playing a video game. It's like, okay, we'll then go do it. Well, because that's the thing. But he wants to watch it ready with his stream. I don't, you know. That's his mentality. He doesn't see the video watching thing as that dissimilar from playing overwatch. He feels like the whole thing is it's all the community together doing stuff. Right, he's wrong. Yeah, that's true. But it sounds like you're saying he recognizes that he could just have a shit and get the audience, but that he chooses to do the video ones because he knows the engagement will be higher, the entertainment will be higher. But as much as that's true, he wants to do it because he would want to do that with people as well. He considers that all transformative too. He might in his head just be like, listen, this video seems interesting to me, so I want to watch it. I don't know if you would have heard the debate, right? He said he doesn't believe anyone actually takes a moral issue with this, the world virtue signaling. Yeah, I know. Okay, I don't know if he honestly thinks that or if he's stupid or if he's just saying it for the context of the debate because he's trying to win a debate. Okay, I don't know where, because that's such a stupid opinion. Well, you need to see what you're talking about. I mean, I don't know why he's trying to, I lost this guy. Okay, well, maybe you're right. You seem to agree with that as well. I don't know. I don't know. Okay, so what did your chat judge just said? You guys kind of are in reference to virtue signaling. What the, is everyone just virtue signaling whenever they criticize people these days? No. Well, it's like sometimes, you have real criticism and real morals, yeah. It's wild. I do have a question about this. So like, let's say we take out the material harm, money lost, revenue lost, influence lost. If that's all out of the equation, if we could somehow guarantee that nothing would be lost from the creator, there's still a bit of a moral question here. It's like, well, you didn't ask my permission, right? You're still stealing it from me, even though you're not actually stealing anything. You're going over my head basically. It feels like it's disrespectful, right? Like that's what's going on here. It could be. I mean, it would be much less harm, but there's still an element to it, sure. The problem is it's difficult to prove harm in some of this stuff. And XUC relies on that in some of his arguments, rather showing me the analytics that prove harm. And obviously, you can't prove that LEMENO has been harmed by XUC uploading the videos to YouTube. It's just like we said earlier, an intuitive thing that you would think that, right? Well, thankfully, not all morality is harm-based. Well, I mean, would he appeal to any benefit that is going to be flowing through to these creators? What is the argument that there's not harm that people, that new viewers are actually watching? I heard you, Fringy. It was something like... I've heard some people say that, like, well, you're actually getting exposure from me watching this. And that's so you're getting the real benefit. I mean, that's also an appeal to a vague, difficult to ascertain kind of advantage, right? And how much particular would be another one. You know what I mean? I'm not even that interested in the arguments that appeal to the vague, you know, potential gain or loss, right? You want to try and hone in as much as possible on the principle. And the principle on one of them in this case is, how much effort are you putting in? How much effort did the original person put in? And how much benefit are you extracting from that creation that they've made, you know? See, there are some people whose moral system is literally just harm-based. So they only care about the moral calculus of, well, did they take more than they give? And anything other than that. Any consent conversations, any conversations about like friendship or loyalty, all of that goes out the window for those people. Okay, but then I mean, you could always just again, appeal to the notion that there is the potential for harm. Something that I think is worth emphasizing in this case is what is the downside risk for XQC, like watching somebody else's video? If he decides to watch a video, like surely the worst outcome is neutral, right? He doesn't really get anything from it, but he doesn't necessarily lose anything whereas there's always, you know, upside, right? For gain of keeping people engaged with like very high quality content that other people made. And then that funnels through in terms of viewership later, subs and donations like during the stream. What's the downside? Watching somebody's video play, other than I guess- What is the argument that there is no harm? Because obviously, look, if we're gonna watch- The argument isn't there's no harm, Adam. The augmented harm is hard to prove. Okay, come on now. Yeah, keep up. If a thousand people are gonna watch a video and 500 of them are gonna watch them through XQC and 500 are gonna watch them through the content creator, that's tangible harm. I don't like- But the 500 watching through XQC may never have watched the video anyway. That's the point. So the argument that it's not harmful is that those people were not, would never have been viewers of the video if it weren't. It's highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely, exactly. You said it yourself. So obviously, he's harming people. Well, no, I think it's favor in terms of the highly unlikely. I'm pretty sure that- Didn't he say that he figured that nobody- I can't remember. What was it on the subject of TikToks the other day when you were talking to him? The creators that are getting cannibalized, they were never gonna kick off anyway, so who cares? Those thousand people could be viewers at any time in the future, but XQC has taken that away from the content creator. This is like shoplifting. I mean, it's so fucking awesome. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true, Adam, actually, because there's definitely some- No, no, no, because there are some people who would never, ever, ever watch that video, but they only watch XQC. You don't know that because they have looked at it. Okay. Groovy's taking them away out of right now. Do it. Groovy. So hold on. I can't tell you- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, God, here we go. Wait, wait, it's not- Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. It's not upon Adam to prove this. It's upon the person doing the thing that's wrong to prove it's not harmful. Okay, what are you talking about? Okay, let me put it this way, let me put it this way. Okay, how would you prove a negative? Adam, prove you're not gay right now. It's not proving anything. Divorce itch right now. Look, pick- Look, I'm happily married. I think that's the wrong way to say it. I get it. To a woman. I'm fighting on Adam's anyway. I was supposed to say happily married to Sancho. But anyway, listen, I just want to make sure my argument is clear. Like, if those 1000, like that person that he's saying wouldn't have watched the video anyway, you don't, that person could have watched the video in five years from now. That person could have watched the video two years from now. Here's an argument. Like, he's literally taking away all possibility that that person could watch the video in the future. The future is a long fucking time. I don't know how old this person is or what. Let me put it this way, Adam, let me put it this way. Okay, there's gonna be, we don't know who they are or how many there are, but there will be some of XQC's audience. Why are you conceding that? Hold on. Why are you conceding that? Let me finish it first, let me finish it first. So, there's gonna be some of his audience. Okay, I have an argument that you're making, but you should show me proof. Can you let him finish like the point first? Okay, so that's how- Who knows the point he's gonna make? Come on, everyone's made this point. Okay, fine, fine. The proof of it is that every single person here, every single person who has an audience, it's just like that sometimes. Jay Mack is your big daddy, right? He watches you more than anyone else. And there's ever a conflict- No, he watches me as much as he watches you. Look, I- Yeah, he watches me to you, I know, but listen. He's the worst example of what you're trying to prove. Of course, I can't server lab, but if there's ever a scheduling conflict, he's in your chat room and not mine and not EFAPs. That's the point is that there's always some viewers that are just- Okay, well, thank you. Yes, yes. Well, we- Exactly. The producer of the show. There are always some viewers who stick with their one guy, no matter what they're watching or what they're doing, and that's that. Now, we don't know who they are, but it's just how it is. That is the content creation game. It's still gonna be some people that- 1,000% because that person could- How? Because that person could stop watching XQC because they grow up and then stumble upon this video five years later and go, oh, I've never seen this. Let me enjoy this. It is a YouTuber- Well, after five years, you're probably gonna watch it again anyway. I mean, I've watched old videos. I've been watching it. Why are you making excuses for XQC here? I don't understand. I'm making excuses. I'm saying statistically, this is likely. This is likely what's happening for some people, for some viewers. This is what people say, sit you're not in an Ottoman sitch, by the way, just so you know. He needs to 100% prove that that person would have never in their entire lifetime ever watched this video without him. That is the call order. He doesn't have to prove that. Why? Because we're talking about large groups of people and probabilities, not 100% accuracy. You just made the argument. You just made the argument that he does no harm because that person would have never watched that video if it wasn't for him. Never was a long time. I didn't have a good argument at all. Yeah, I don't. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. If I, let's say Dev, let's use Dev here as an example, okay? If Dev goes to the Dollar Mead store, and he steals, and he steals a dollar's worth of pork hooves, okay? To consume when he gets home, right? And you catch him and you say, Dev, you can't steal this dollar's worth of meat from the Dollar Mead store. And he says, well, wait a minute. If I had to pay for this. Yeah, if I had to pay for this, I never would have actually bought it. I'm only gonna consume this meat by stealing it, right? Is that a good argument? Yeah, that's a horrible argument. I feel like we're comparing tangible theft to an abstract- What is this? What the fuck right yet is? What are you talking about? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I understand your point. You gotta match the shoplifters on this line, Dev. I know. Hold on. Bunch of excuses. Look at the, this excuse was used in the nineties for MP3 downloading. And what people had to realize is that every single pirated copy of a song or a movie or whatever was not actually a lost sale. Because some people actually wouldn't have- Obviously every person that downloads a song or movie illegally would not have purchased it on its own. Number one. But number two, that's irrelevant because there is going to be people that do do that. And then number three, it actually does create a broader culture where there are a lot people in general who say, well, if it's acceptable to do this behavior, it's going to have wide reaching ramifications for the entire market where people say, well, I'm not going to normalize it. I'm going to get exactly normalize it and they say, I'm just going to go watch all this content. The movie comparison is the most sharp lifting. No, we're not normalizing shotlifting at all. Okay. The difference with that is that with the movie example, there's a lot of marketing promotion that goes in that maybe we'll want to watch the movie. The YouTube video just randomly gets promoted, depends on what the algorithm feels like that. I don't understand what that's to do with the argument. Yeah. Why are you talking about piracy? I'm actually not on XUC's side here. I'm not. I'm just saying that. I don't think the revenue harm argument is as strong as you think it is. It's no way. It's true. It's true that there will be some percentage of people that will watch it on XUC and will not have watched it. That's true. But to me, that's irrelevant for the shoplifting. It doesn't matter. Okay. I just don't think we need to bring in the shoplifting thing. We just talk about the issue as it is without bringing in the shoplifting thing. No, because this is the problem. Why are you sweating, Sean? Why are you still sweating over there? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. This is the problem. You've got to be at content all the time. What the fuck are you on about? If I'm a thief, you're a thief. We're just teasing you. I love you, Chuck. Come on. Chuck. We're just friends. Chuck, you're right. Anyway. No, so here's the problem. Because when we're talking about shoplifting, because it's a physical good, everyone has been so conditioned to understand that it's wrong to do that. But when we're talking about this kind of non-physical good, like a movie or a YouTube video, people suddenly their brain shuts off and they're like, well, it's different. No, it's the same fucking thing. It's the reason it's called intellectual property. We're still talking about property rights. That's why I got so fucking triggered when I was listening to you, Mahler, debate him last night. He kept saying he's a capitalist. He's not. He's literally arguing against property ownership and property rights. By saying that he gets to take someone else's property and do what the fuck he wants with it. It is kind of strange that it seems to be the notion that you've created something like a video, I guess more broadly a piece of art, the idea of ownership of that. I don't know. It seems like it does seem like a lot of people are really resistant to the notion of ownership of a creative work. It's just because people are used to it's because of the and this can't actually come up in the debate that you guys are having last night. And I think it's really true. It comes down to the ease of use of stealing the material. Yes. Yes. Of course, we become so used to it. So used to logging on. I mean, what Chad said about the sponsorship block things and the sense of kind of entitlement. Ad block. I understand that sentiment because we're so used to I get on YouTube. That's all of the content I will ever need for the price of an Internet. You know, just just if I if I pay for Internet, I've got YouTube. I'm done. I'm set for life on entertainment. I could spend no money. I know what they fucking shop with. I figured it out. I figured it out and all you're talking. Okay. The store has paid a supplier to get that fucking beef hoof in. Okay. So that being stolen is depriving them. Is that like a well sure something? Yeah. Listen, shut up. Shut up. Okay. Listen, I'm talking. Okay. It's a terrible argument. This is a terrible argument. Let him finish. So that you can go. While I go to him. Listen to what you're saying, right? Yeah. Okay. The creator that's putting the YouTube video up has not made that same level of investment and there's no guarantee again that the person watching on XQC is going to go and watch the original video anyway. Okay. Okay. Let me tell you why that's a bad argument. Okay. So if you're editing videos on YouTube, especially to the level that Lemono is, he is paying editors. He is buying graphic design programs. He is drawing from years of experience in time and this is the real thing. Time is money. Okay. So for every hour that a person is creating a YouTube video, that's an hour that could spend doing some other job getting that money. So no, you are stealing from an investment from them. Here's a question on the shop list. If somebody, you know, could you always say, well, that person wouldn't have bought the chocolate bar if they weren't going to steal it? Oh, well, no, no. If they weren't going to, they'd only steal it. They wouldn't buy it. You could appeal to that. That was the dollar meat pork hooves argument. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Sitch. Sitch. So I actually have a question for you then. So when I mentioned earlier, my hypothetical, like let's just take the material harm out of the conversation. Right. Let's just forget about it. Why? How convenient. How convenient. Just for hypotheticals sake, Adam. Okay. You've got to prove that before we take it out of you. Just for the sake of argument. Let's just take that out. With the dollars gained in loss or the revenues or new viewers, whatever, let's just ignore all that for a second. Is rewatching content still immoral? So I think most people, I would wager, okay, and you know what I'm talking about, Dev, and Adam, as I'm talking about, but I don't know if anyone else knows what I'm talking about when we start bringing up John Heidi and Moral Foundations. Okay. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I think most people, if you could, in a hypothetical scenario, remove all the money elements and all the things that you stipulated, I think most people wouldn't care overall, but there would still be a proportion, I think, to be the minority, but there'd still be a proportion of people that just still view it as this is my property. You have to ask my permission. Yeah. But personally, I wouldn't care. That's the good side of it. I don't have that attitude. I mean, that is a really fundamental question right about, well, I mean, that's kind of the nature of property, right, is like, you have a right to enforce the way that that property is dealt with by anybody like in the world, basically, if you believe in liberal capitalism. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I think the thing is, we're all YouTubers here in one flavor or another, okay? I think we all know what the curve looks like on a video when you first release it, right? You get a bunch of viewership initially, and then it tails off to a kind of flat line that gradually increases over time, right? We all know that. It's not all content though. But generally, you would agree, right? Generally speaking, that's the trend that you see, isn't it, Adam? Yes or no? Yeah. For these throwaway YouTube videos, but not for like premium pieces of content, obviously revenue streams can pop up all over the place in the future. Oh, sorry. That's a reason why they do it. In general, you get like, in general, you get 90% of your views in the first week. Yes. Even with webinars. Thank you. Sure. It's okay. It's not that difficult. YouTube video, yes. No, no, no. It actually license them out in the future in other platforms. No. We're talking about viewership, which is what you claim is being stolen by the reactors. That's the main metric we're looking at discussing this. Conveniently for you. That's why you're making this. Not convenient for me. That's the whole point. You're claiming that someone is uploading a video and stealing videos from the original video. So it's your booking point. The thing I was going to say. If it's a premium piece of content that revenue streams can pop up in the future, but those revenue streams can't exist because that content has been all used up. Everyone's seen it. And obviously that's creating harm. That's sort of the point that I think because you're hinging your argument on once a person has watched a video, they will most likely never watch it again. The tricky thing about that is that argument does kind of get nullified to the people that engage with media differently and when they like something, they watch it a bunch of times. And I'm not saying that your argument is incorrect, nor am I saying the argument that, hey, people get a favorite thing and then they rewatch it 20 times. I don't think either of those are incorrect. They just both happen and they kind of cancel each other out as far as being an argument that could win the discussion. It's up to the content creator, obviously. So the content creator should be able to decide how their content is disseminated. So I don't see any difference between this and that. He's obviously not transforming the content in any meaningful way. I don't disagree. And having this experience, this shared experience thing is not about transforming the content. It's about how you consume the content. It's a completely different argument. Okay, let me put it to you this way. Let's look at the other end. If someone was to watch a video that was five years old and react to it on stream, do you think that would be stealing views from the original video? I mean, you could reignite interest in the content. Like Sitch has said, if someone wanted to react to our content, we would kind of do this cost-benefit analysis on whether or not that would be good promotion versus lost revenue. But sooner or later, that's bad. Your claim is the... Look, let me finish. Just let me finish, Judd. Just let me finish. Let me finish. Like when you do that cost-benefit analysis, every single creator should be able to do that cost-benefit analysis themselves. It's not fair to say, listen, I, fucking shoplifter, should be able to do the cost-benefit analysis on whether or not this is promotional for you, which is exactly what Hassan is doing. Hassan comes on to me. It's more promotional for you than money you would make. Adam, so this is now a consent argument, not like the the money of math, math of money argument. Because now it relies on the consent of the person. It is absolutely a consent argument, but that consent argument will obviously be made on this metric of whether or not it's more worthwhile for promotion. The basic point I'm making is really simple. The majority of YouTubers' viewers is going to be within the first period of time, say a couple of weeks. After that, any reaction, unlikely... We already dispense with that argument, Judd. Well, here, here. I will reply to you directly. Look, you're making this assertion that doesn't exist for every single piece of content. Obviously, you can have... This is not true. I've had videos that have sat on my channel for six months and then gone viral out of the blue. Why do they go viral? Why do they go viral out of the blue? Usually out of the blue. The two boundaries of them discovered it all. So what you're saying isn't even factually correct. Okay. But also it could be that someone watches the video and then that also leads to not only a boost of viewership on that video, but also people coming to your channel and watching other videos too. So why don't we see that? If the person... Well, sometimes you do. Sometimes you do see that. Sometimes you don't. But what I haven't seen is proof that someone putting a react video up, right, has an observable, demonstrable, negative impact on the video as an alternative. I've not seen that evidence. I have seen positive impacts, right? So, for example, Judd, you've watched my videos and I've seen your viewers in my comments later on. But if we want to look at... Five videos, ten videos later. It does have a positive impact. And now with XQC, these are the massive streamers and they don't make the bump. Well, you're not always... I'm not trying to justify... Obviously I agree overall with what everyone is saying. The only point I'm making is this argument... The only point I'm making is the argument that it causes a demonstrable harm to the original video is not something I've seen good evidence for. I don't think that's consistent, Adam. I think it can. It's possible. I don't think it's consistent. It's hard to make that argument. The key argument is that the people doing this don't care whether it does... You can shoot at somebody and miss and not cause harm. You're still shooting at them. Yeah, but in your scenario, Adam, it would mean that if they could either hit them, miss them, or it could provide them money. You know what I mean? You shoot a gun and they just, like, $100 appears. That's what I'm saying. It's just something I brought to Destiny. Who is in the best position to do that cost-benefit analysis? Is it the person stealing the content or the point I'm trying to make? We talk about this. Every time you do it, it can provide a benefit or a cost or neutral. But do you think these reactors like us on? Do you really think they're thinking about that? Oh, I hope this one benefits this person. They don't think about anything. They're thinking about their own bank accounts and how rich they're getting. No, and of course, there's things you can do to make sure it'll benefit them. You can be like, look at this channel. Go sub right now. Let's get them to blah, blah, blah. Right. What if they did that on the back end? What if YouTube had a thing where if you said, okay, we're now reacting to this channel, it instantly sent a portion of the ad revenue to that person you were reacting to and then that kind of acted as a way to sort of make... Yeah, that would be a great solution. People are saying that I'm switching between content, consent, and actual harm. I am sort of, but the reason is because the consent would obviously be dictated by harm. If somebody feels that someone is harming their... how much money they're going to make with a video, that's going to affect whether or not they consent. If they feel like this is actually going to help my channel promotional-wise and I'm going to benefit from it, then they will consent. I wouldn't do it that way. If I lost viewers because somebody watched my video, I'd still be okay with that because somebody watched it. I don't really care. That's you. You're a dirty dacoit. Wait a second. Wait a second here. You are putting value on somebody watching it, so you're saying that would help you, that would benefit you, that would not be a harm. Other people will have different metrics on how this harms them or helps them. I am saying that consent often is correlated with whether or not you think this is harmful which is just logical. Right? We watched... Who was it the shoplifting video that you watched? It was... A thought slime? No, it wasn't thought slime. Stealing content from anyone who uploads a video... Wait, let me just make this... The favor of shoplifting is a moral good. I want to be clear about that. We watched a lot of these shoplifting videos and a lot of them make this kind of similar argument where they say, in big stores, they're not actually financially harmed by this little bit of shoplifting. And they make a million justifications and a million rationalizations to try to say that, well, these stores aren't really harmed by shoplifting. But that's wrong. They are harmed. Wait, wait, wait. And they say like, stores should have to go prove that they're harmed by shoplifting. I think if you're the one doing the illegal action, you have to prove that it doesn't actually harm the person. The person you're stealing from has to prove that it's not harming them. Yes, something doesn't harm someone. I'm sorry, what did you say? How is it possible to prove a negative? It's nearly impossible. Is there a carrot in this box? No. Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Wait, wait, wait. There's a difference between trying to make a logical argument and a legal argument or even a moral argument towards creating a harm that's like, well, prove that if I didn't hit you, someone else wouldn't have hit you. It's like, well, what the fuck does that mean? Or prove if I didn't hit you, you wouldn't have been harmed anyway. Like, no, you're the one doing the wrong action. You're the one doing the illegal action. You have to prove. It doesn't matter if it's a negative or not. You're the one that has to prove that what you're doing is acceptable. If we're talking about proof, I remember seeing, Mahler would kick this off like a week ago now was a video on Destiny's Channel, I think. It was sort of a graph of somebody's video that got reacted to and how the average viewers before and after the reaction were pretty much the same. I was like, well, if that's the case, you actually haven't lost anything. In fact, there was like a bump in the middle where a few more viewers came in from the reaction, but like, I think in a lot, especially if the videos that say older, like three or four weeks past being uploaded, there's probably not much harm, actually. You don't know that though. Okay, but you're arguing that someone's going to react to it, like maybe watch it years later. The thing is, I think we could probably all agree on maybe we can be past this fucking autistic argument is that if you react quick soon as the video comes out within like the course of a week, say, whatever you want that to be, then that does actually have more of a chance of causing harm than if you react to it after like a month, say. I think the better solution would just be to have it that people can react to things right away because otherwise you get into this weird place where YouTube would be 10 days behind the rest of the news cycle and people would be talking about things that are already kind of not current information on other platforms anymore. Unless I was sufficiently transforming it, right? Yeah. If you sufficiently transform it, everything goes away and everyone affirms you're pretty cool here, right? Yeah. A long-term reaction. So, hold on. If this only fucks over people who walk away from their chairs, I don't care anymore. Fuck them. Good. To clarify, right? Going back to Jay's video, his big point was I just want you to fucking credit and direct people to the video if they enjoyed it. Remember, Hassan didn't allow the pieces of information of the video to project and he cut him off before he could promote his own video. If we did that, if we actually let them promote the videos, if we directed people to the channels, I don't think this would be anywhere near as big of a problem. It would be a step in the right direction. I agree. People wouldn't be so angry. It's seen as though you just chew up a bunch of people's content without even presenting who made it. It's like, that's fucked up. That's a leech. That's what the jacksroom's talking about, whoever that sniper wolf is. Jacksroom's main thing is please credit the fucking videos. Well, credit at the very least may well have the benefit of someone being like, oh, I actually really like that. I might see what else they've made. It makes that easier and more plausible of an outcome than if nobody knows where it came from. I honestly think the easier way is to just take it out of people's hands, do it on the back end, and even have a thing where it's like, hey, I reacted to your video last week and here's you can choose which percentage you want to take or say, nah, don't worry about it, man, that's your stream. There you go. You can kind of do that with the content ID, right? You just say, well, this is my video and you put it up and then when someone does a video of your video, you can claim it. You can do that. In a way that's more if it's like everybody can claim all the time and it's like a door that you go through and the person whose content you're using is the one who makes the decision on it, I think that puts it in a place where it's less of a dick move than if you have to seek out the claiming process and be like, yeah, I'm hitting you for this money. Or if it's like, hey, I use your content for this 50% of my net revenue, so not YouTube's cut, just the net is yours if you want it or you can take all of the ad revenue if you want to be a dick or you can give it all to me if you want to be super nice. And I do ignore it if it does the 50-50. That just sounds like automated claims for everyone all the time and I don't think I like that. Well, no, no, no, no. I think what he's saying, I think that will be the future, will be that YouTube and Twitch will probably have to partner up, whatever streaming services exist will have to partner up with each other and they'll have some system where you can upload a video or you can do it for all your videos. You say, oh, someone uses my video or they want to use my video and they don't properly transform it under the law, I get to dictate how much of the money I get from the video. It could be 100%, whatever you want. And so when the person goes to react to your video they have that option there to just say, oh, click or just does it automatically and then they'd have to contest it otherwise. I do think that is going to be the future until that is the future. I do think it is on XQC and Hassan and people like that's shoulders that if they're doing this kind of react content if these millionaires, if these multi-millionaires are doing this react content and they want to be in the moral right about this shit fucking spend your money to hire someone to go calculate this shit and send these people the money. Hold on, hold on. They might as well just pay for the content, right? Seth, you're saying millionaires here with some spite. Are you suddenly a socialist? Are you going anti-capitalist on me? No, I'm spiteful that multi-millionaires are being cheap motherfuckers when taking content from non-multi-millionaires. That's what I'm being spiteful about. They are extracting surplus value from the proletariat. There you go. I don't care, Ostea, Chud, if we had data, let's just pretend for a second, a video was getting 500 views per day and XQC reacts to it and uploads his video and then from then on, that video gets 450 views per day. Would you consider that evidence of harm? Yeah, I mean, there's other factors potentially but I guess so, yeah. I was going to say you could even fight back at that. You have no idea what necessarily made that view count go down. You don't know that it wasn't a natural go down in any case. And if you did concede that that was harm, we've got to stop now. This is ridiculous. And actually, like, you know, push back heavily. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, I don't have a problem with saying that, like, these videos, it's like, un-gently, it's not particularly courteous and stuff like that. I don't think they should do it just to be clear. Sure does the apex gentleman. Well, I'm British after all. But, you know, I just think that this argument that there is an absolute harm caused has not got much meat on the bone. And I think there's even something that was just shared there that's like, show me where the bump from XQC is. And correct, there's no bump from XQC. But there's no downward trend. The trend of the videos continues up. What would have done anyway? Would be that what he's pointing to is that an argument, it's certainly one that Hassan has used right of like exposure basically like, oh, well, no, but see, there is like, it's mutually beneficial, right? Because I get views and money and you get views and exposure. And I would say that a graph like that would probably more so point to like whatever bump you get from this is small, if it exists. Well, I think for small creators when done correctly it can be more substantive. I have some information which was pretty conclusive that Hassan had helped the channel as much as low as we all are to say that Hassan helped the channel out. But let me ask you a question. So there was an interesting part in Mahler's debate last night, where I think it was you, Mahler, or someone else brought up this concept of like, okay, XQC, you're fine with people, you know, reacting to your content or taking your content or whatever, supposedly. And he's fine taking other people's content. But are you fine if someone like, you know, whatever he's streaming, right? But are you fine with someone copying your merch and then selling it themselves? And he had a huge problem with this. And he never really could explain like what the philosophical or ideological difference is between those two things. Do you think that there's a difference, Chud, between taking someone's content and stealing their merch and selling it for yourself? You mean the merch is in the physical item or just the concept? Yeah, like if there's an XQC like mug or something that says XQC, someone else is going to, without his permission, reproduce that mug and sell it. Or make it unique based on his logo or something. Or something, right? Well, I guess what it would depend on is how is that new merch marketed? Is it marketed on like, someone else's merch store collecting viewers where there's proof they would have bought an XQC merch anyway? Well, the impression that I get in terms of like why somebody would be upset about somebody selling merchandise that's based on their brand kind of stems back to sort of like the core which is you should have some level of ownership over things that you have created even if they are like a brand or an identity for yourself as a creator or less tangible than physical things that exist in space like digital content and sort of, you know, it ties back into, you know, people want to own the things that they create and that when you own something that you create, it seems like we all agree, right, generally that you should have some right to say how that content is used with exceptions like criticism or parody, you know? Right, yeah, of course. There's more to it than that because just the profit margin on merch is so much higher. I think that's what it's just going to be greed, I think. If XUC is complaining about like merch of him being sold not by him, it's going to be the fact that he's missing out on a lot more money than if someone just uploaded a video. There's a lot of money in merch. But then if the merch was like people that would never have purchased, you know, there's no proof that they would have bought XUC's merch in the first place without the extra-merchure existing. I don't really think XUC has got a leg to stand on like from his perspective, right? Well, if we under his argument now, well, if we use the example of if someone makes a... No, no, no, no. The example of if I have a shirt with a little rags doggie on it and I sell it for $20 and someone else starts making their own merch and they said, nah, $10. They can't use the argument of, well, they would have never bought a $20 shirt so I didn't really rob them of a sale because they'll buy it at $10, you know. Right. Well, so I actually did try to dig down with XUC on this. At first I think he said the markets would get confused. People don't know where, like how to support him versus the others. And I said, okay, hypothetically, what if they did know? What if it was clear as day and you have to clear a bunch of checks? Like, this will not support XUC, you're buying from a different bubble before you buy it. And he's like, okay. And he moved into saying that they wouldn't share, that he wouldn't be able to quality control it, as in, like, he said the term poison shirts at one point. So, like, obviously the quality of them or the, you know, and he would theoretically be responsible. The dye will kill you if you wear it. And I said hypothetically then, like, hypothetically, what if they were perfect in nature? Like, there's nothing harmful about them and you knew that for a guarantee. And then he said that they wouldn't share his vision, that they would be created in a nature that doesn't share his vision. I said, what if they did? And he said, not possible. Well, I mean, it seems like each of those steps is all stemming from, again, a recognition that he owns the thing that he's created, which is his brand. Yeah, that he should control derivative development of his IP. Yeah. He can be able to enforce the rights that he has over the things that he's created to the whole world, which it's the basis of property. Yeah. But the thing is, this is the, you know, the argument of the cheaper items or people buy this bill that by, you know, dodgy Rolexes that they never buy a proper Rolex. I don't know how strict Rolexes are in controlling that, but, like, you know, if there is a cheaper product that's inferior, but they never would buy a Rolex anyway. I mean, what skin is it of Rolex's nose if someone's bought a $20 Rolex? I think the difference there is because Rolexes are very expensive and the cheaper Rolexes are very cheap in comparison. It's not like a $10 shirt versus a $20 shirt. Look, I want to be clear that I'm only talking about content that isn't really transformative. Like, I really think what XQC does is not transformative in any way, shape or form. So I obviously feel like not even with chat. Not even with chat. Not even with the chair. I'm sorry. Like, not even with your stupid fucking commentary because it's just, like, it's so obvious he's just throwing that stuff in there to get around transformative content. I feel like what he's doing is a complete scam. Like, what we do in XQC, you two chud, like, I listen to your content quite often because I want your feedback. I want to see how you Oh, that's why I don't watch it. Oh. A lot of people don't like Chud's content because he thinks, you know, his reactions are stupid, but I kind of think he's smart. Thank you. So I'm only differentiating. You're going to have my racism appreciated. All of us know the content creators that make it difficult for us to critique their work because we can't use those clips. Those clips get copyright struck, all this shit. I don't like any of that stuff. I think that stuff is hard on us who want to actually critique and talk about media and stuff like that. So I mean, I would be for lowering a lot of those barriers, but I do feel like this, you know, fake transformative content is just, I mean, it's a menace. It's a total menace. Here's a question. I'm curious about what people think about it. Is there any mileage in exploring the concept of what exactly how do you justify the existence of your very minimal sort of react content? What if everybody did it the same way you did? Would your model still be sustainable? Hold on, hold on. Before Fringy's question, this is a good question. I have to go though. It's time. It's time for what? What could be more important than this? These are just getting interesting. I know, I know. No, I told him all I could only do three hours today. You're going to come back. Before he invited me on, I said I can do three hours. I gotta go do three hours with him. We'll see you in an hour, isn't it? Thanks for stopping in. Thanks for having me. It was very enjoyable. I always love coming around. It's always fun. Tell people where they can find your channel. Well, you all know me. However, I'm not going to plug my channel this time. This time I'm going to plug my new Twitter account, my 18th fucking Twitter account. Everyone go on to x.com. I think you might have a problem. Go to sleepy underscore Divo. I'll post it in the chat. That is the Twitter account to follow. What is Twitter? Sorry, x.com. I know about x.com. I've heard of that. It's got a lot of brand recognition. I recently got banned. I've come back as Sleepy Divo. So anybody who used to follow me, please consider following me again. Including all of you guys by the way. 20 of your accounts, Dave. What's going on? Do you want to see why I got banned this time? Do you want to see why I got banned this time? I love this game. I reposted this TikTok. I uploaded it. I'll post it in the chat. I reposted this TikTok to my account. And it got mass flagged as threats of violence. Was it a repost or did you say something about it? I just reposted it. Oh, okay. Just watch it. It's like 10 seconds. I don't want to have to click on TikTok though. That's actually a good point. Watch this on stream. Andrew Miles. Wait, Andrew Miles. Andrew Chong. Ian Miles. Andrew, which can I fall? No, no. The Asian guy. No, no. Ian Miles Chong. I was going to say something racist. Anyway, he does this thing where he posts a TikTok video in full, so completely ripping off someone else's video and just puts up like, look at this, this is cringe, right? That is the same problem. I agree. I think that's bad. And he gets like 5 million impressions on that. That's crazy. Now that you get paid on Twitter. People are saying worse. Oh, Dave, by the way, 100% could get you flagged for violence. I don't know why you thought it wouldn't. It's really funny. Come on, man. Let me describe this to chat. Okay, there's a person who's saying congratulations. You bullied an LGBT kid until he hung himself to death. Here's your medal. And then it cuts to a kid on zipping a shirt and he's got like 100 medals on it, right? I remember that meme. I've seen it a couple times. But it is, you know, you're basically saying, yeah, look at all the kids I killed or bullied into killing themselves. So obviously it's going to be flagged. My quality meme, but, yeah. Funny, but, you know, you should expect that. Funny, but, mean. And I'll see you guys later. Bye, Dave. I'll probably be back for your... Hold on, just in case I'm not. I probably will be. Just in case I'm not. Happy early anniversary. Oh, thank you. That's in a couple of weeks. I should be around, but just in case I die or something. It's a five-year anniversary, right? Yeah, man. What is the five-year anniversary gift? Because everyone has like wood and, you know, the aluminum or something. Is it cheese? Oh, it's wood. The traditional fifth anniversary gift is wood. So... Everyone has to give us wood. Get your wood ready for the fifth... Yeah, nice. I'll see you guys later. Have fun. Bye. All righty. Was there anything else? The topic? Do you remember your question, Fringy? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was, do you think that there's any mileage in making the argument that if everybody did content the way the XQC does it in terms of React content, that that is unsustainable if everybody did it? 100%. Yeah. New original material to be reacted to. Conversely, if everybody was making new original content, that's sustainable as a way for everybody to conduct themselves, right, in terms of creating things because there will always just be new things for people to watch. Right. Well, I think you can relate this to... What do you think the counterargument to that would be? Well, I mean, wouldn't it just be creating an infant concept loop if everyone is just sat there reacting to each other's reacts and you'd have like a billion fucking Instagram feeds like going into the distance. This is like eating your own poo. You could theoretically do it forever, but I don't know if you could. I think what Chad said is interesting. The notion that essentially reactions to reactions is like a self-sustaining loop. It's like when you put a plug into its own, you know, thing and it loops energy, right? That's how it works. There is no energy. It's a funny thought. I guess it's more so like kind of, it's kind of like categorical imperative, right? Could everybody conduct themselves in that manner of just, you know, very minimal reactions? Can the model really exist as so long as there are people who are actually creating the fully original content or the transformative content for these channels to react to? And if so, does that have any... How much sway does that have and whether it's ethical or not? That's kind of what I'm curious about. We would just create a graveyard of channels because all the viewers, the thing they seem to congregate for are the communities that surround them more so necessarily than the streamer sometimes. And so you'd have like a huge, top-heavy set and, you know, if XQC God forbid something horrible happened and the whole channel stopped entirely, all of those viewers, I believe, would disperse into the next one who's next highest with the next biggest community, at least a lot of them would. By his admission it's... He said he was replaceable, right? He meant by replaceable was that that he's on top because he's the best right now, I guess. Against the notion that you can't prove necessarily that viewership that funnels through into this would go elsewhere, including to the original content. That's like, well, I mean, you know, if you think you're replaceable, right, then to some extent the viewership would evaporate. There'd be some people who wouldn't watch as much or they wouldn't watch at all. But I mean, most people are just going to find something else to watch, right? The thing is with react content is past a certain point it gets insufferable. Like if you're watching to someone who's reacting to react to react to it, you know, and it's like three layers deep of reacting, it can get a bit difficult to react to it. I think there's like an equilibrium where like, you know, a good level of reacting and discussion can promote each other in like a cyclical movement. A cyclical movement, right? And... I was going to say, you know, I've spoken to creators before and it's like, well, how do you feel about react content? It's like, well, you know, I kind of rely on it to talk about it to create this kind of loop as long as it is a react and not just a non-verbal watching it, right? That's what I would appeal to as the notion that if you are transforming it, you're essentially creating something new even though it is on the existing thing. So for instance, I would say if you do a hyper-transformative movie review, sure, your movie review can't necessarily exist without that specific creation, but you have put in a lot of the work to create something that is new in a way that is substantive even if we can't necessarily pinpoint where the line is that it, you know, goes over from non-transformative to transformative. I think that there's a healthy equilibrium there. I'm not sure that I see as much of a healthy equilibrium with the kind of way the ex-QC or Hassan does it. And it seems to me that, you know, if everybody did it that way, if everybody did that, that would... that wouldn't work. And so it's worth considering if the trend that this is setting dis-incentivizes people from doing the kind of work that Lemino or NEO, which was one of the other channels, the one that did the Cold Wound Wall City one, like if this ecosystem incentivizes people to do the kind of react content that's being successful, that's pretty minimal work for a massive amount of gain away from doing the original creative work, you know? They're curating like a video stream. I don't see much difference from what they're doing then, like a television station who licensed content and puts it on their channel. I just... I think that they're doing the react stuff just to kind of get around the legality of what they're doing. It does seem like almost sometimes people do the reaction and transformative elements if at all, begrudgingly. Yes, exactly. We're not trying to make something make some treatment about it. Yeah. We made a point. You go ahead. I think that Fringy's argument is a really good argument, especially in terms of when we're talking about what is... can you exactly prove the harm that's caused to Lemona or someone else if another large streamer watches their whole thing and he can bring up all the graphs and say, look, we don't see where the drop-off is and we can't prove... therefore we can't prove the harm, so it's okay. But, you know, it's Fringy's laying out. That's not the argument. The argument is okay. Hold on, let me... hold on. Sorry. Even if, theoretically, I was to grant that, XQC watching that video would cause zero financial harm directly to Lemona by no one that's watched... No one that would have watched from XQC would have watched the original video. Okay, even if I were to grant that, if we allow that behavior, we are basically incentivizing and normalizing that everyone is going to do this because it's so very easy to do. It's so interesting to decide that. Right. Why is this a slippery slope argument? Why is this not happening? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I was literally going to end my argument with that. It is happening, okay? It is happening. It's just not happening in this space because it's not got to that point. But it happens in a lot of other spaces, like there's this thing, I don't know if you've heard of it, it's called pornography. And like how many people just wildly steal, like the amount of pornography that's just stolen every day. These poor porn stars, Chud, okay, who get fucked for your enjoyment? Yeah, that misses. They get fucked twice. Yeah, gang rang. Wait, what do you mean? Do you mean like like the porn star and then they get fucked by you when you steal their content? I'm not stealing, I don't listen. I'm not watching any porn right at this second, okay? Right at this second, I'm not. But what, okay, you mean when it's on porn hub or do you mean these dodgy sites that steal any of these sites? The amount of porn that's stolen is like I don't know if anyone's ever calculated it. I'm sure it's an astronomical. But wait, there's no argument for transformation there whatsoever, because you're literally just tripping the video. We're not talking about transformation, we're just talking about just these harm aspect of... Yeah, we're just talking about the harm aspect of his XQC, even when he's not doing this transformative stuff, which I would not count what we watch as transformative. If a porn star's content is getting stolen and put somewhere, many fans of women are constantly DMCing in these websites. Wait, then why is there so much of it? There's so much... They can't stop all of it happening. It's going to continue to happen. Okay, so my point is that if we say it's okay for XQC or these other streamers to do these minimal reacts or whatever, everyone says it's fine that's just that behavior is going to increase obviously, because number one they can make money off of it, it's fucking easy to do. And people are obviously going to do something that's easy and they're going to make money off of it. If any creators need to do more to DMCF they're not happy for one thing. I agree. I agree. Then streamers should also do more to reach out to people and get these agreements. It's not perfect, but XQC has done this in some instances. Well, I support that. That would be a good name for a porn react channel. I just want to let you know. What, slippery slope? Nice. When it comes to I assume with porn and kind of everything else, it depends on much of the resources you put into taking down everyone who's copying over or stealing the content, right? And a lot of people don't want to deal with any of that. They just want to make their shit and put it up. And a lot of the, I mean all the effort that is put into trying to protect your property is effort that cannot go into making new property. Exactly. And why should you, as a property creator why should you have to spend so much time and energy defending this thing that you've created? Yeah, when you steal someone else's. Exactly. But that is part of being a creator is managing your IP. And this is something porn stars have to do. I believe Amaranth spends, I think she's got a dedicated person that files DMCA requests against websites, right? So this is just part of being a content creator. And that's why if you feel your IP is being infringed upon, you know, you should take steps to protect it, even if it's going to be unpopular, even if it takes time, that's just the nature of the business. I agree. However, we have already, it feels like it's like we've conceded then that, yes, they are ready to be DMCA because they are doing something wrong. Yeah, and that is what I believe created the circumstances in the market that allowed only fans to make quite as much money as it has because a while back, Porn Hub and all the major porn sites, I believe were basically given really solid implications that they might be hosting a lot of non-consensual porn, revenge porn. Wait, are we allowed to say even the word am I you know, adult material is not legally obtained and produced. And as a result, they had to make the circumstance by which you can upload porn to Porn Hub very much more complicated, requiring like an ID check and things like that, which then made it so that all the free-booted porn that was on Porn Hub just got taken down in like a day. And then it wasn't long after that, that only fans became a giant market. So I guess what happened is the answer became all right, the whole economy is just people directly paying the content creator and that's it. Well, even with only fans I think there's other elements too where it's like, you know, people they're paying to interact with these porn people, right, which you can't get from a porn site. So they have to literally add some extra elements to the service. Is that true? How'd you know about that? We had a whole conversation on our channel when we were talking about whether it was okay, whether you're a cuck or not for having your girlfriend do only fans. But so those, they have to literally add an extra, by the way, there you go. But so there's a whole, they have to add a whole extra element just to basically get people to you know, get their pay for the service that they're creating themselves. All right, so should we carry on? Excitement about. Pushing a vid I like to my people. That's it. I'm a fan of the Reacts videos, but I feel it's extremely unfair. The original videos provider needs to get a portion of the income from your Reacts videos. A 50-50 or more for him. They can claim the whole fucking thing and they do a lot of times. I swear you guys just make shit up for the hell of it. My stuff gets re-uploaded for the YouTube frogs that miss the stream. Get me contradictory analytics or facts. Anything else is ZZ. I know you're not the brightest but I didn't expect you to be this intellectually dishonest. Nothing inherently is triggering when you view live content on a different platform. It's when you re-upload the content to the same platform and have it copy the same metadata to further cannibalize. I get it depends on the creator whose content you're free-booting, but in your own words just now you claim that you were just sharing a video with your fans with no intention to critique or transform it for fair use purposes. We demonized individuals like Jinx back in 2017. In large we do so as well today. This type of content is even frowned upon by YouTube in large or any web pages, repetitive and duplicate content. YouTube will often change its algorithm to fight algorithm-abusive content like this. E.g. reply era, initial reactions in 2017 era. I know you've watched The Dark Knight and Animes like Hunter X Hunter. Why not re-upload those as well? On that one I think we all know the reason why is because getting into a fight with water brothers or paramilitaries. Not only is it an automatic loss it's something that could be much worse. It's precedent setting. Yeah, it changes the website and then you'll be the face of... Remember the guy who got this all started? Wait, you mean Jinx? Well, I mean if you are... you don't want to be the face of the lawsuit that began essentially from being the face of the ad-fuck. The example. Right, yes. You gotta imagine it's only a matter of time until somebody notices what the fuck everybody's watching as a master chef on Twitch. Before Fox decides that they want to do something about it. I own MasterChef. That's a good point that's being brought up here is there's a reason why nobody's re-uploading full watch-throughs of films or television shows. Because you know you're wrong. Yeah, pretty much. They know. But you don't want to deal with getting an individual YouTuber versus a multinational corporation. You know? It's pretty straightforward, isn't it? They know if they upload a movie they're probably not going to get away with it. But if they do it with a YouTube video, chances are they're not going to get pushed back. I can get away with this. We've said this already, but there's obviously impacts to the point. The reason that they're removing people is because they protect that IP viciously, right? So you know that you can't fuck with them. And again it just backs the argument there's a problem. They've got to viciously protect the IP. Who also realise claiming content isn't a task any creator can just do. It requires access to elevated content management systems only the larger studios and media groups have. It sort of speaks to the nature of who is the onus on or should we cultivate a culture where we respect people's creations and their right that they have the rights that they have relating to their creations. I obviously agree about the courtesy thing, but obviously we've got crimes against, you know, laws against rape for a reason is because people can't behave themselves, right? So we've got to enforce them is what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. So I obviously agree but unfortunately people take the piss, don't they? Hmm. Damn, I knew you liked using big words so that people would give your takes more important than filling your unfounded criticism full of personal attacks and using anecdotal evidence to prove that the content NT is cannibalistic by nature. I get it now, it's all for show. You have no substance, I guess it makes sense that you are upset everyone is reacting to actual good content instead of whatever you put little brother using. After hearing XQC talking with like Mahler, this is like him, this is his response like it's all, oh you're just doing this you're just insecure, that's just him. That's the level of thought that he has. He runs to as high as his brain can go. He goes to motivation like ulterior motives quickly. Instantly. You can ask him just a couple of questions trying to figure out his position that he's immediately like what are you trying to fucking do like look at you trying to go like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The 2017 breaking down the inner workings of your mind, you just couldn't handle it. Well twice and tried to cash in his win early. This might get you twitter drone likes but you know how this works internally you have the stats to back it up you didn't use any because you know how it will show the exact opposite of the phenomenon. So here's making the affirmative claim then that the opposite is the case in terms of the benefit that being yielded. He has said he has lots of evidence to prove that this is strictly beneficial but that he's not going to bring it out until someone tries it. It successfully proves the opposite. That's interesting. I mean that's fascinating isn't it? Your Honor, I will not prove that my client is not guilty. What's to be done with that then? It means he can always he wants that to happen so that he can dunk on them like hardcore as liars basically. Sure. Okay. Bizarre. You are weak. You are weak. You are weak. You are a human type. I'm problem the one that cares the least about residual youtube address. Esy of maybe 1% of my total income . I do it to please my community. You know this already, whether of course the obvious followup being if it's only if it's such a little tiny tiny little piece of your total revenue you should be very eager and willing to give out to the It reminds me of, you know how I'm sure everybody's had this situation where someone's like do that and then and then you know you say like I don't want to it's like oh come on it's not that hard it's like well then you do it if it's not hard you do it feels like it's a similar kind of argument if it's so small then why run ads at all you know just don't do it. Even though not running ads doesn't eliminate any potential harm that still you know incurred for the original creator anyway even if you don't make money off of it can still harm them from lost views potentially. If his argument is that him watching his videos is part of this community effort okay and that's kind of like the draw for him overall. Then him saying that he's doing it depletes his community like that's what his brand is that's a major part of his brand. So even if he gets low ad revenue from the specific video him doing something that pleases community is what keeps him making money overall. Yeah it's just not as it's just not as clear a through line of just specifically it got this many views so here's the number yeah it's a little bit more abstract. It's just abstract enough to be ambiguous enough to be something that we can just sort of refer to. Yeah he's the one who's you know claim. It's kind of it's kind of it's kind of clever as a as a as a line of line of argument. You just keep pretending you don't now write another essay to form some impressions. Maybe you generate enough Twitter rev to shut the fuck up the next time you wait. That's funny about this robot voice saying that. Garp and feel like a weak ass soy boy. Oh my god soy boy soy boy. I look how he's act moulding and seething and coping. As an example except for your insecure ass LMAO. We talked about impressions on the platform being cannibalized. Did your team reach out to mine when you reacted to some of my content as well. Not so you can't be using the fact you communicated to one creator as an example. I just want to say this is something that actually she's done that's really frustrating is and this is viewers do this as well when I've covered this and criticize it. You see is they'll go oh but he's done it in this case. And it's like what does that matter if he's doing bad elsewhere. Yeah but what does that matter if he's not content others. Pressions are cannibalized as they tend to take up finite space in the recommendations engine that will consistently show the streamer over the original piece as the account matures. You can watch a dark Viper out or recently a Jack's films on the subject this platform is expanding on that. That point that is just brought up about impressions because I don't know if we talked about this is part of the problem and next week we're hoping to talk to dark Viper about a lot of this because we focus on the transformative element. He's apparently got a lot of background in the impression side of things. And he talks about like the finite market, the finite people, the finite views, finite impressions. I forget her name but someone came on the debate stream to talk about that as well. It's Ziana. Yeah I think that was it. So you know we can we can go over that next week but obviously our primary concern is just transform the fucker and you're fine. You're in the clear. You can do whatever you want. Yeah. Just transform it. It's important to me for the rest of the friends I have on it. So yeah I get a bit passionate on the subject. Stop deflecting and saying this is for impressions farming on Twitter. My account makes plenty of impressions without this topic anyways. Oh look at that ratio. Watch time from impressions. Oh look ratio. Ratio's everywhere. Regions equals ads equals money. He tried it. Bro tried to pretend he makes uploads out of the kindness of his heart. Get your ass to bed bro. Get your ass to bed bro. Stupid. What is the point you're responding to? We're talking about cannibalizing impressions. We know impressions lead to ad returns so you are essentially saying you care about impressions and not about the money it comes with. Gotcha. I'm out of arguments on this one. Interesting. Multi-millionaire. I'm saying impressions lead to a long-term organic channel growth that gets cannibalized when it has to compete with itself as reaction content flooding the algorithms. Obviously everyone does this more some monetary. The very existence of reaction content of somebody's original creation as competitive content that that in and of itself is a huge disadvantage. Of course. Yeah. And the reaction to that as well. We're also promoting their video by having that reaction content makes people aware of it and so it balances out. But of course that's kind of what the discussion is over. Is it balancing out? And do you even know? Exactly. I feel like the end of the discussion is the fact that these creators don't care if it balances out. They don't make they don't ensure it balances out. They don't ensure that something good happens. They just do it move on. Well, yeah, basically. And if there's about outcome, it's like, oh, well, well, hopefully nothing bad comes of it, you know, like it's not. When Hassan uses. It's kind of interesting because you'll go for it. When Hassan uses all of Jay's video and then moves on and is told that that was a fucked up thing to do, you'll be like, whatever, the channel got a bump. And then everyone shared that screenshot Jay made. You see huge bump. And it was like 150 views. That's right. Yeah. It's like a trap. He unsuspectingly laid a trap. Something I find fascinating about it is it does seem to get people stumped for some reason. The notion of like, well, what am I supposed to do if I've already watched it and I haven't reacted hard enough? It's like, well, you fucked up. That's it. You fucked up. And fix the problem. Like if I find it fascinating, the idea of it's like, oh, well, I screwed up. Oh, like, oh, well, well, yeah, I guess it didn't react hard enough. Anyway, moving on. It's like, well, no, I mean, you could try to actually like get more eyes on that original creator. If you do it after the fact. Well, do it better. Yeah, obviously try and do it better before. But like you can try to fix the problem that stems from that. I agree. I do benefit. What's more important in them? I agree, bro. I agree, bro. Yeah. Long term is the growth of channels which does appear to be hampered with this influx of reactive content. That's all reacting to good content. You know, I was curious, right? If it's okay that it doesn't do any harm and it stays completely neutral, right? So what if it stayed neutral forever? What if it was always neutral? All of the videos that are reacted to never get a bump from it. They're never hurt from it, but they never get a bump. Wow. So they completely stay the same while the reactors grow and grow and grow and grow. Well, that's the thing. They'd probably say like, well, yeah, it's great because they're not harmed and I make money. So we win. See, it's no harm. I was like, yeah, even though their content is being spread essentially to way more people, they're just carrying on the same. It didn't hurt them. It didn't hurt them, but it's kind of the reason why it is so important to try and draw it back to the fundamental principle of if somebody creates something, do they own it? Yes or no? And if they own it, what rights do they have as a consequence? This is a bit of a wild comparison, but let's say there was a Martian or maybe someone from a different galaxy. Alien comes over here. He's like a scroll. He turns into an old person. He's like, he's like, oh, I see this artist, you know, whoever. I'm going to photocopy their work or take pictures that are really good and then sell it back in my home galaxy. I'm going to make a shit ton of money, become a super famous star. But it doesn't matter though, because they can't sell it in my galaxy or at least they're not going to. So it doesn't really change much in terms of the markets. But you know for a fact, if all those aliens rejoin that artwork that they found out he was taking photos of a different person's work, they'd be like, holy fuck. That like ruins the entire aspect. There's no work or effort in this. You're just stealing all of it. He's like, yeah, but whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Nobody's harmed. Nobody's harmed. And we're both making money. That's good. Obviously aliens are. The thing is, obviously, you know, you don't have to just say someone shouldn't do something because it causes harm. You can make a moral or ethical argument beyond that, right? But some people will actually see this position is clearly is you can't show I'm causing harm. So it's fine for me to do this. Whereas I think we'd all agree that like, well, there's another aspect to it that isn't as tangible as to why you like a sense of unfairness or a sense of. Well, it's, you know, deontological versus consequentialism. Right. And it seems like it's. I don't know much about this. I'm using big words. Okay. Well, it's just if you if you're focusing on the outcome and the impact that it has on the creator, it's like, that's it. That's a worthwhile thing to focus on and certainly part of the conversation. But again, I think it's also worthwhile to have like some fundamental principles about, you know, whether or not people own the things that they create, what that entitles them to the nature of what it means to transform. Because, you know, you could say it's like, well, what is what is the point of fair use as a concept? And it seems to me that like the point of that is. We believe that there are essentially exemptions to the general total control that a creator has over the way that their work is used or duplicated or distributed that we believe has some utility that we think is valuable, right? So criticism has a utility that is valuable enough that it should be protected or educational purposes and like a school that these are we basically agree. Yeah, this has some value. So this should be a thing that exists. Like a lot of that as a conversation you can have without necessarily talking about whether or not, you know, this kind of react content is giving them a bump or causing them to lose viewers or staying the same way. You know what I mean? Like you jump back and forth, but it seems like people get really tangled up in there and at all. Well, yeah, but then the reason is, is because this is actually his position. If you can't show me how I'm not going to stop and you could explain all that to him. And I just don't think he's going to give two shirts. That's fine. But I mean, you could always try to convince people in this audience or in the general, you know, if enough people, if enough people were causing a stink about it, like it. We are already starting to change and talk about it. Exactly. That's right. Yeah, that's true. You might continue to steal forever, but you know what I mean? Um, also this, this tweet, by the way, was a fucking bag. Because XQC said, you know, I make, I make the good content or you can pay whatever you post. But he's like, you've reacted to me. Oh my God. Look at that. Look at that ratio. Oh my God. Got him. Bro. Instead of whatever you post. LMAO. Bro. I deal with 200 things per day. A quick Google search will get you there. The average person doing a day. I don't know. If you broke it down into the most micro tasks possible. I think it would be three million tasks probably. Well, I'm curious now. Now it's made me think because you could, I guess you could, you know, like if you're sitting at the computer, like doing work for eight hours a day, that could be one task or it could be like a thousand tasks. Every time. E-Pressed. 200 tasks per day. Well, I don't know if I'd go that far. I feel like we can subdivide it a little bit more. It's just 200 things in a day. I heard it. It's like, is that a lot? I don't fucking know what you think about it. I woke up to what looked like an extract of the fucking Bible. I closed my phone and drank a root beer. It's not that serious. Won't read for two minutes, but will watch someone else's work for 90 minutes. Incredible. Here it comes. One gives a headache. The other one cures it and prints paper. This is a no brainer. Literally. I feel like that was a bit of a mistake. I don't think you should say that. Get it out loud. Your brilliant is sitting there going, hmm, interesting. Why did you say that? Because it's a funny meme. No, I mean him, of course. Like, why did he say that? Because now everyone's just going to be like print paper, you say. XQC. Actually, I'm a thief and proud. Good one, buddy. Some of the people going after me for the smallest things think they can get away with it because I'm under fire from every angle. Just remind yourself that you tried it when it's your turn to face the music. I'm done holding back. It hasn't given me any peace. I don't know what this refers to exactly. There was some other drama that he was in. I can't remember off the top of my head. Oh, was it? Yeah, there was some other thing. Does anyone in chat know maybe about his divorce? This guy. Oh, yeah. I thought this was about the react stuff. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. Okay. Well, let's let's try and break some of the some of the people going after me for the smallest things that I can get away with it because I'm under fire from every angle. Is he like speaking to the idea of like, you couldn't hack it and get in this much flak? He's trying to. He's trying to say like, I woe is me. I'm such a victim. Oh, no. I'm fairly persecuted when you are unfairly persecuted. You will face the music too. I think he's saying like, I can hack it. And you can't. I think this is about some housing driver who's involved in with someone called poke poke poke. Is that the guy or something like that? So I just don't want you to say, oh, yeah, this is because of the react stuff that it's not. And then, you know, Yeah, no, that's fair. Especially because when he says under fire from every angle, he might mean I'm currently under fire for react stuff. I'm also under fire for something else. Yes. And so the implication I'm getting is that he's saying that there's some people taking shots at him because they feel safe to do so while everything's going on. And yes, when it time, when time comes for them to have to face this kind of scenario, just remind yourself that you tried it. I guess is what it is. So he's saying like, you did it to me. So when you have it done to yourself, remember that. You steal shit. Well, excuse me. XQC is Jesus. Okay. No, he's the whore. He's like, listen, he without didn't cast the first stone against XQC. All right. Obviously, you know, millionaire streamers like to put a dramatic spin on their life. Of course. Right. So there's definitely an end of that. Well, we said I'm done holding back. It's like, oh, it is ridiculous. Wait a second, Sitch, have you ever been in the fire before? Sitch. I've been in a fire before. In a fire before. A fight. A physical fight. Violent. Internet fight. I've been in physical fights. Yes. I was in school for fighting. Yeah. What's the most internet fire you've come under? Sitch is what he's asking. I think. Oh, internet fire. Yeah. Not really. Okay. What's the most internet fire you've come under? Not really. Not really. There must be something. Yeah, not really. You know, there's been a lot of fucking shit going on. You're like, oh man. People yell at me on Twitter. I yell back. I don't like what. I don't know what you're asking me. Well, the most into trouble you've ever got even was saying that women kind of opinions. Yeah. That's us. I don't know what was the most controversial thing I said that got people angry at me. Okay. I don't want to prance your private life. It's probably the juice. Hang right, your opinion on the juice. You know what? That's true. My opinion is that Jews are based... No, no, no. The other one. The other one. What's the other one? The other one. That's true. And politician perhaps. I don't know. It doesn't sound quite like it. Okay. Is it true that a Jew controls your channel, Sitch? Well, my name does come first in the show. I knew it Adam you go to you go to overthrow claims. He's part of the JQ. That's sometimes Do you have a secret meeting on Wednesday to trigger our chat, which I mean it does trigger Triggers you more whenever I talk about the secret People that believe that shits it I'm just In a very long conversation on a Nick rakeda stream about those people. Yeah, yeah I want to defend ex-UC a bit more okay, just All I'm trying to say is like this seems like, you know melodramatic and I totally get that I think though that like he does genuinely have some personal shit with his divorce and stuff like that So it probably does We support I don't mind someone Tween this that much no What happened was he wasn't even married to his ex officially she's trying to claim um legal, you know the legal Co-habitation marriage relationship Yes, okay Yeah, I don't mind this tweet. I think this is He's lashing out a bit because he's under a lot of fire that's pretty normal Yeah, we're just figuring out exactly what he meant. I think we got it I'm done holding back. It hasn't given me any. Let's be clear for a second Someone can be rich and they can have someone dying in their life that could be going through divorce They can have like a real problem. Yeah, and you don't you don't get to say like, oh, well, you're rich So I don't feel bad here. That's not what I'm saying Okay, the promise and he could have real things that are real problems going on in his life The problem is that when he if he used to associate that and use that as a shield To try to deflect from this the reaction shit where he's clearly in the wrong to me. That's bullshit But is he doing that? That's what that's how I interpret Okay, I believe I just don't think there's enough meat on the bone to say that I can understand People are going after me for the smallest things think they can get away with it become under fire from every angle One of the angles he's talking about is the reactor. I assume react is included in that. Yeah, right. I Don't know if there's anything about Quebec law that makes this any different But I leave it if you live with someone for a year and a half You're effectively treated as married by the government. Oh, it's in Texas. There's it. There's a whole case about it But it's looking. Yeah, it's there's so much drama. I haven't been resilient It's a great channel if you want to know about divorce drama between millionaire streamers. Oh, yes, absolutely I do that's what I that's what I live and breathe. I Gotta know yes, it's my bread and butter Hey, man, I sent through I sat through a two-hour video on Kendall Jenner yesterday because it was interesting. Oh Good, I guess I'm glad it was interesting. Yeah, that's great You guys Galatae she's been on such an Adams channel She made a really good video on nepotism children and how they Sometimes have skewed Concepts of what their privilege was and what things they were set up for versus what they earned on their own But I never would have thought I'd sit through a two-and-a-half-hour video that the first words in the title are Kendall Jenner But hey, you make it out unique. That's authentic observer. Yeah, yeah Okay, yeah Peace hi at YouTube and the team YouTube there's been a lot of talk about react content and reupload of YouTubers content It would be useful to have a tag or icon show up with an optional timer on videos that Creators can enable if they don't want their videos reacted to thoughts thoughts Totally unnecessary over-engineered solution when you could just react like that. Yeah Transform the shit and we don't have to have this conversation and you can't transform it don't react to it before asking for The problem is everyone would check the box you could use it as long as it's Transformative or for critique and then we'd be in the same place Yeah, you're right now because they'd be pretending that they were doing transformative critique So it would change absolutely nothing Or choosing videos you can actively engage with through criticism or commentary I realized this is X or Twitter. No one cares about finding solutions. He's gonna call it X I Maybe like a new generation in the future that like grows up with it potentially. I don't know well cuz Well, I guess it's not even remotely analogous because wasn't it the Facebook for a while and then it got called Facebook I think it quickly got changed to Facebook though, didn't it? I know I call it I Saw Elon Musk tweeted out like a new X logo that's got the Twitter bird in it. So I'm all right That was one Cuz he tweeted out the new X logo and then someone just made the Twitter bird But it kind of looked like the shape of an X that still doesn't solve the problem because He's gonna change the name back or do something well An obsession with X is like a letter like you really really likes the letter X, right? That's that's where this comes from or X like SpaceX. Yeah, I'll just call it Twitter. That's what I would say Maybe Something but like just call it Twitter Tony X X Twitter X is No Service so like he's been apparently trying to make it into a video hosting service that can be with you to and kick and what I don't know. Can you compete with YouTube at this point? Think that that when I heard that I think it made a bit more sense to me that he wanted it to not be called Twitter anymore If his whole deal was like, yeah, it's not just a place for your microblog. It's also a video platform Maybe playing some 40d chess or something and it's it's gonna all make sense in the end Name Twitter and done all that though. Yeah Yeah, I don't disagree just that made it make a bit more sense to me I was like, okay, I guess I can see you wanting to not have people be like no I don't use Twitter screw Twitter Twitter sucks as I like no no my videos on Twitter like why don't you put it on you? You don't get it. It's better. It would be I could see that argument happening. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Maybe Bring up problems with no hope of a better outcomes taking this post down I'll keep going pure yoink on everyone's content. Good luck. Probably not a good thing to tweet either Look man people gave you plenty of ideas in the last couple days one offer a transformative reaction Consider editing down the dead air to the points where you actually provide meaningful commentary and upload that to YouTube I don't have any hate for you and I don't think many people do just be respectful of the laws and create a Ecosystem also stop making the lawyers job easy by just stating you have no intention of fair use and you'll yoink everyone's content Oh snitching he said what oh boy It's like well the whole print paper thing too. It's like why did why why you doing that stop makes it look real bad Then when you make it look real bad printing paper like it means that you're not working for it You just like generate money Pretty much. Well, I mean that you know, it's he said he doesn't care about the revenue But then he also said that he prefers to do it because it prints papers. It's like, oh You know there's money All right arguably we're on to the main event now Okay, this wasn't the main event. No, this is all prep Yes, this is great Rock flashbacks, okay Question sorry question before we start anti-semitic. Can I be in this segment three? You get out of weight. Wait, wait, wait, wait three out of five Why would you ask you to Of the juice does chud know what Brooks asked you sitch on? Oh, yeah Remember it. Tell it. Yeah, do it. Are you wider? Are you Jewish? Well, if someone was to ask You're asking that question That's basically are you racist or are you racist? Well, that was because the whole conversation was like, you know, how do you how do you say? You don't know what a white nationalist is when you're talking to a vert white nationalist and his argument was well I didn't know what it meant. I thought it was a white person who was a comma nationalist But then he asked me that are you white? Are you Jewish? I'm like, well, wait a minute. So you do know what's happening here. Oh There was dots and I'm a dog nationalist. Have you spoken to him since Adam? he messaged me recently and he said he's not on I Asked him what he was doing. He said he's not making content anymore. So, oh good. Yeah, you know, I mean it is funny He was gonna say I be found at least he's profoundly stupid He may be one of the dumbest people ever. I've seen well He was like he's he was like a punching bag practice Channels growing up right or anti anti SAW channels Hello stupid people should be allowed to make videos on the internet I do I would like to you know, it's a little joke But I would like him to make more content because it's hilarious because he's profoundly And that's that's just a very amusing thing Don't kill the golden goose. Okay, I would never do that I want him to continue to do what goose is do eat grass and do it poop For us to review. Yeah, gooses like if you have more than one. Yeah, gooses. Yeah Or nooses on the looses it's a gruggle of geese is yeah I had with Brooks was your hook was your guys fault? Yeah, I know because Because I had me a known leftist. Yeah, we called us known leftists Well, no because it was like I had met Brooks in person And we you know seem like totally fine nice guy and I didn't have any issue with him I didn't really watch his content and then you're like, oh sit you want to come on if I'm like, yeah Sure, I come on you're like we're watching one of you know, his videos and I was like, oh This is a lot great, but okay Was a really terrible video and then while we're watching and I think he was like really like oh my god How is it attacking me? So this is all your fault you started this you'll fall for associating with no leftist rags Yeah, right, we all know rags is a known leftist Since the beginning I'm I'm the I'm the Anna Casparian, but like the reverse right? I'm secretly, you know turning into a leftist here Well, not really as a matter of fact I for the first time in my life I am not like the beacon the vector of hatred for all things twitch streaming. It's it's now exit Okay, we can include you you see so congratulations. You kind of deserve it. So yeah a little bit true Thank you Excuse me for I decided to try and cut it and then I gave up and just we look at XQC's POV for the whole thing Pretty much finally being a guy that like people yell at no, no, I'm at I had When they think of like to make it funny rumors fucking so they think Twitch streamers fucking yeah, he's right. Yeah He is right That's always gets more hit anybody else Because he does politics you will be on the read with his politics broadly I think there is viability to that, but he also earns it in other dimensions, not just politically Yeah, this on is it's an all-purpose idiot. You know, it's it's great It's a target on who they're gonna have a strong topic. That was to send it to me Well to be totally on wait wait So I'm a watch a lot of XQC's content, but when I was listening to your guys conversation last night I thought he was trying to like crap on leftist Like I thought that was part of his brand I have no idea Well, she's having to be like friends. Yeah Judd, what's his politics? Oh He's more of like a sort of center left more Lib guy. I guess roughly you would say But yeah, obviously he's friends with the Sun because they're big streamers and big streamers are able to put You know the issues aside to work alongside each other sometimes Sometimes Does he actively try to keep politics out of his videos or does he watch politics videos? He watches politics, but he tends to have kind of, you know, down the middle takes that aren't too upsetting to anyone roughly I would say It's only when he gets involved in drama that he is provocative because he might have a controversial take like, you know About the gambling stuff, for example, that could be quite provoking for people I don't like ex-QC. I think he sucks. I'm just I don't care anymore Wait, this is it. This guy in the back is pulling my VODs up. Oh my this guy's pulling my VOD I can hear in the back like extremer's fucking suck. Well to be totally honest with you, dude The production guy is up I don't like ex-QC. I think he sucks. He's doing research in the background. I don't care anymore I mean, he's definitely an interesting figure Oh, I will try my best to highlight the Hassad but all commentary here, but like it's fucking hilarious the Hassad It responds to Ethan saying like I hate him. He's a piece of shit. He's like he's interesting Remember he and ex-QC are supposed to be friends if If someone says your friend is a piece of shit, I hate them Typically you go like whoa, come down. Like what's the worst quality or something, but he's just like yeah, he's an interesting fella Would you say that what this is like Hassan trying to navigate the situation in the safest possible manner? This is probably the most stressed he's been in some time. He has to balance between Ethan and ex-QC You must have that on e-fap sometimes Well, so let me clear it up right if rags were away today, and then you come on and say thank fuck He's annoying as hell. Have you like whoa? Going on I wouldn't say well Interesting More like if if rags said like that chug guy fucking sucks Because like rags is your co-host and your friends with shots. You're like, oh, well, I do the same thing I'd be like what did he do? Principles and integrity and you know allegedly He's a sell out He sold his fans Goddamn gambling money. No, I don't know anything about the gambling stuff. So I'm not like I don't know anything about the gambling anything So so what is the conversation happening? I could even if you want to content though. He didn't used to have like a moral compass and everything like I don't what's that What is happening here? Well, you turn to your leftist, okay? I'll tell you what's happening. Okay get between a Jew and their money, okay? Not be caught you should not get between anyone in their possessions is that what we're saying Yeah, okay. Yes, including anything. Yes. I love I love the Jewish people That was a joke each you think about anyone. That wasn't a joke. I do love the Jewish people The conversation I believe started around Laminos new JFK assassination video that specifically covers the now It's about where the money comes from and now all I oh I get it. I get it I get it dude. I get it bro. Yes. I thought this guy Okay, no disrespect. It's an actual question. I'm not trying to money the waters Then he's gonna have a Like a contract to stream on on twitch or whatever and then and then they switch or whatever I mean business business business. I don't think I don't think you're wrong or more wrong Business is spinning around behind his head. Is that like a fan? I don't know I was curious if Anyone else would pick it up eventually because I've seen it before but I don't like the slowest fan in history I was trying to track. I was a little bit distracted trying to track down the sound of the clicking I was like, okay, I guess that's XQC doing the clicking and everything That's or maybe that's just the sound of the neurons firing and it happens every once in a while You just hear it audibly But so there's something on his fan. That's like spinning around back there. I did I did listen to all that I'm not sure. I think he said it's all business in reference to where he gets his money from it shouldn't be considered like battle Good, it just it's all business Yeah, slave trading probably isn't great, and I'm actually very excited to see all the other angles as well Does it I made a meme about this I was talking to Freaking about how like it'll be an interesting video to watch because you know a lot of people's understanding of the JFK assassination Does actually go as far as we're not sure how exactly it happened also the grassy knoll like that's like the total knowledge Yes, I just knew that there was a grassy knoll involved where from I assume the shot was fired I have no idea because I just know that this Oswald guy shot the president bubble ball He got shot. That's like all that's all I really knew about it But now after watching that video, I'm basically what you'd call an expert. Yeah, 100% so yeah, I feel I feel I'm pretty good Yeah, we played the entirety of the video. Yeah, we want you on stream on the stream. Okay, we've committed the same sin Yeah, because if someone slows it down in post they'll be like wow you played the whole fucking thing, dude Exactly JFK assassination, which is probably one of the most covered assassinations of all time. It's an incredible conspiracy And what it's not a conspiracy he he was fucking killed But who did it rags was it the crab people was it the government really killed Who knows a moon landing something to think was it the moon? That's the he did this like one hour and 25 or one hour and 30 minute like brilliant Super comprehensive incredibly well edited video and of course everybody reacted to it. It was trending He's got millions of views. I was first don't even try it. Nobody should try it I was I literally put anything aside at the video on the main screen and I did it first I'm gonna be proud of that. It's weird. I did the shittiest possible reaction before anyone else I just don't I don't understand like the need to be like, hey, I was there first. Okay Good for you, but first Like I discovered this video. It would be nothing without me. I don't know what the fuck he's trying to say I think even he doesn't know what he's trying to say People got like someone got very mad that XQC had reacted to it as well and it like only had like 10 additional minutes of runtime Of the original video and they just like posted a screenshot and we're like, what the fuck's this guy doing? Um, I believe he did yes It's like he wanted to go on his whole thing like I'm like how unreasonable the people who are complaining on that Ethan's like, yeah, but did he do it though? Okay, it's like you got Ethan as a YouTube guy and then son He's our world they're about to clash Like through a 10-year lawsuit where he was like worried about losing all of his worldly possessions over Fair use over a fair use case that somebody brought against him So obviously he's got a huge dog. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah And then of course Assad is like allegedly there were theories in which people Speculated that possibly there may have been people involved in something that may have been talked about in some way sure Potentially allegedly yeah, or not at all. Who knows we'll never know no one can know next topic I don't even I don't even know why anything YouTube it says Lemono uploaded his video July 24th XQC uploaded his reaction July 24 He's okay, he's proud of it. He's yeah, and he was first no one can claim otherwise. He was first he got in there I watched it before you could Get on the original original channel 400,000 views before a lemon outed Hassan covered it also on July 24 Yes, and her start Hassan's is longer. So at least there's that it's Cuz the original lemon nose video is one hour 38 minutes 11 seconds Hassan's reaction is two hours 23 minutes and 13 seconds And XQC's is one hour 53 minutes and 36 seconds So a precise time a day we need though to know who exactly was first Well Hassan uploaded his 11 days ago as well. So the same day that XQC did so he was also pretty quick on that one and his is yeah I Think XQC live-streaming the video is one thing But if he's re-uploading it and he has a shitload of money and he has an editor working for him Why couldn't they have just chopped out all this stuff where the video is just running with no commentary? His response is that they wouldn't have the context to understand the commentary From having well, I think that's bullshit because I think if you just kept in like 10 20 30 seconds of the video before The things that he said that that would be sustained substantial enough to let people know what it is He's talking about he said to me the sometimes there'll be a whole like 10 50 minute segment that needs to be shown before You can hear his opinion and understand it because of context So like you boil it down to the fundamental. It's just that Having the whole video in there means that you can act as a complete replacement of the original video We'll get you more views Well, yeah, that's right. It's longer so you can run more. I'm even thought of that. Yeah It would be longer Everyone wins if you transform it everybody That is the true win-win scenario See head react to it as well, and it like only had like 10 additional minutes of runtime Oh up of the original video, and they just like posted a screenshot and we're like what the fuck's this guy doing? Did he upload it to his YouTube channel? Um, I believe he did. Yes, I believe he did. Yes, it's the Demetis which is completely Yeah What do you know a lot of twitch drummers do stuff like this? I Because this thing I think actually see as more much more of a spine than a son So right now he's like what do you mean we do that? There's nothing wrong with what we do That's what he's getting confused at right now. The son is basically conceded. This is a problem already Which is you know in the past? No, I'm saying right now his language Indicates that he thinks this is wrong already you can tell from what the way Ethan asked that question. It's like, uh-oh Ethan thinks this is wrong. I don't know if I want to have that argument. So I guess I'll concede You know, it's like oh, yeah a lot of people do it, you know, it's not great A lot of the same people that were yelling at him were also trying to yell at me and be like he's the same He's he a son does this as well and Well, there's a couple different reasons I mean look I'm not gonna be Guys a couple different reasons, okay? You know champ you cannot have it both ways and you can never play too close at once Okay, and you because you will be caught it's what sometimes I try my best to not play too close at once They went after me for the video. I watched they did not go on my fucking a son's editor When after me for the video that did not go on my YouTube channel the one that I watched and it's like He's talking about the dense population one Any bod nowhere, right? They went on me for that and also a little one that I did post and it's an act like one is different for the other When they're going after both of them They just I'm gonna say this as much as he did leave in one of them and didn't in the other I don't know that there's that much difference between the two of them in terms of how much he's transformed them How much is that all you could roll on as you have all subtle facial expressions? It's like is that enough? Do you get what he's basically saying? Yeah, I didn't transform the population one But I didn't upload it. So it's fine. Meanwhile, I did transform the Lemona one and did upload it It's like you didn't transform either of them. I mean, I understand that As why he got to that conclusion, but at the end of the day, you still screamed it like that already Yeah, a lot of people apparently don't take issue with that. We still typically do I mean even he admits that the majority of his income comes from the act of streaming itself, right? Not the vods that he uploads so of anything it should matter more in Terms of the in terms of how it relates to him and his business on stream compared to the re-upload, right? I Mean, yeah, I think there's definitely an argument there Pick and choose in a select whenever push the argument and which one to push based on who you're talking about in their audience Fuck this fraudulent behavior. This is this is fraudulent behavior. You like oh, he's not What's fraudulent? I don't what's the feeling something they're they're the same fraudulent What is that they're using his approach with one video and they're condemning him for a different one that doesn't have that approach from his point of view But from our point of view, it's pretty much the same approach So it's like if I if I go into a store and I steal, you know, $100 worth of merchandise and no one catches me That's what you criticize me for and I go, okay, fine So I go back to the store and I sell $100 worth of merchandise and this time I have a gun and I say fuck you I'm stealing $100 worth of merchandise and then you criticize me again. I'm like, well, wait a minute. I can't win Doesn't matter how I steal the merchandise you complain either way. I feel you made it more complicated than it was Okay, yes, you've got how about I like you say it's just be honest But both of you have but no listen Here's the thing it's because Ethan is saying the problem is uploading it to YouTube Obviously, Ethan does have problems beyond that but he's kind of addressing that point And it's funny because a lot of people have said well, he didn't upload the one where he walked away to YouTube And that's a fundamental problem is he's seeing it as if I'm not up on its YouTube. It's not a problem Obviously we disagree and I think even Ethan disagrees, right? Well, yeah And that's why Fringy brought up that he feels like he's making more money on the streaming portion of it And so in a sense if that's yeah But even if even if Ethan is even if Ethan's primary concern is uploading it to YouTube Okay, unless Ethan is the one that levied this criticism in the past This is pointless because other people levy to different criticism and he's saying well It's fraudulent because Ethan doesn't have an opinion that aligns with everyone else. I don't yeah I mean a lot of it gets everyone is mixing everything up in terms of everyone's arguments and so You know this happen. We probably done it a few times as well. It's it's a mess. That's difficult not to but yeah No for it's not transformative enough. I don't know I haven't watched his reaction or anything like that Well, we did oh we can't did he take it down. Yep. Um I don't think Lomino personally has said anything about it or has like But he also yeah, there is this angle of like people claiming like white nightings like you're complaining about something They're not complaining about but there are so many instances in life Well, we complain about events that the people involved don't necessarily complain about that I just don't care. Sure Well, also Lomino might not want the backlash from excuses community anyway Absolutely, they could be all kinds of reasons. He's not saying stuff We should just assume is because he absolutely love what's happening a broader issue that you as a content creator may be affected by in the past Or at some point in the future it you're like if you're in this ecosystem Of course, you're gonna have a vested interest in these sorts of conversations because it might affect you Yeah, you know Unless you're gonna I can clean up a plenty of things that don't affect me. Oh, I feel like we will do Yeah, we love a wine. Don't we? Yeah, we got a bit of a wine help you know what we reckon Logic, you know, it's white wine He had making it down. Hold on. Let me look I haven't I haven't paid attention to the ex-QC side of things The very same Hassan says it. Let me know didn't say anything about it didn't take him down This guy goes or what? Well, let me check on that. What do whoa, whoa, let me check. We gotta go check He wants to see the video he wants to see what your reaction is, right? I I actually would say that I think all Ethan wants to know is this if it's still up because it seems like he's already As far as he's concerned like we're confirmed that it's a bad reaction. It's non-transformative Like if Hassan was to say well, no, it's like I don't he says I think it's still up I don't know and he's like, okay. I'm gonna check like This is what I mean There's several things happening all at once ex-QC is like it's allowed to be up You already said lemon o's not interested in taking it down But it's like that's there's so many arguments to be done right now all Ethan's just trying to do is confirm whether or not It's up. We'll have to see what he does with that information. Yes, you're saying that he's not mad about it What no shot people that have like making this their lives mission to just You know criticize react content in general, especially twitch streamers and how they're like The same as he's a poor victim Let him make his let him print his paper Capitalist realm, I mean look some people make it their life's work to make things make sure things People who criticize you that's all you're trying to do You're somewhat related to the problem So I mean if you stop motivation Farming be like I wonder why you're in favor of it Hassan your motivation could be tied to monetary incentives. Who knows? You're saying that he's not mad about it What no shot people that have like making this their lives mission to just You know criticize react content in general, especially twitch streamers and how they're like Technically the same as like rapists doing sexual assault if they're doing reacts What is that if if nothing other than poisoning the well like it, you know people say that this is a kid to raping people is like Thanks. Yes. Okay. I'll be right to this already so I'm a bit quiet because I've already said a lot of this stuff Okay, but Hassan is pinpointed the absolute pinnacle of the worst criticism about react content You've ever fucking heard and he's But how many is that on that that was something the Dark Viper said like months ago that I don't think he's repeated I don't think he's still on that point, but he focused on that to make it sound ridiculous, right? Right. Well, yeah, why else say it, right? It sounds like is he specifically talking about Jay here? No, no, it's not that they've made the point the rape point Oh, and I haven't I haven't seen that in its original context But like, you know a lot of people claiming he just he said straight up rape I don't know if he talked about sexual assault It's just funny to say rape, okay Not the rape is funny. It's no laughing matter But he made the point that like it's like they're not respectful of consent I'll take someone's work and not think of consent in a in the right way or something like that. It was right I actually didn't mean the R word thing I meant just the idea that a bunch of people have been really Streamers. Yeah, that's my artwork. Thank you But what do you I guess can we back up like 10 seconds because what he said just before that was like, yeah Lately a lot of people have been getting really pissed about twitch streamers using content and I was like He's talking about what happened with him and Jay Here is is dark viper against any Reaction content even if it's transformative because I mean I've watched some of his videos and I can't really tell Yeah, but I think he said that if everybody was transforming it he wouldn't really be making these videos Okay, but he would probably still agree that harm can be done with transforming them even still which is Critical movie review that you're saying this movie's a piece of shit. Don't go see it Obviously, you're trying to interfere with that for me It is loads of stuff that we'd have to discuss on top of that But his main thing is that if they were transforming it, he probably wouldn't be complaining Which I feel like is the same for everybody. Yeah, totally They were they were up in arms about it I Has broken some of those boundaries, but I usually try how did which boundaries did you Love this Remain vague and that he's like, let's get into that. Let's get more details on that guy Respecting Ethan again, I know right? It's crazy. I think you'll agree with this as well It's just like don't leave the video running when you get up a hundred percent. Yeah, you can't that's like pretty basic stuff Hassan just said that's pretty basic stuff Do you remember the whole Yeah, pretty basic my dude, huh? How about he learned he learned he learned he grew as a person he evolved as a critic You guys remember the videos Ethan would make when he was in the lawsuit over Transformative content like some other content creators sued him for making I you know, would you even call it react content? I mean, he was basically critiquing their videos Well, that's another all this stuff all of this editing stuff and someone Basically tried to sue him saying that they infringed on his copyright and like he'd spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on Lawyers and attorneys fighting this thing because he raised money from the community He was like really losing sleep over whether or not they were gonna win or lose this court case Do you guys remember any of that? Yeah? I mean was the precedent, right? Yes would be Understandably stressed because he really didn't have any idea how that was gonna work out Right, and also I think he would have to pay attorneys fees the other guys attorneys fees And I don't even know if he had money to cover those attorneys fees So it got to a point where he was way out over his skis on The risk reward for even bringing this lawsuit, but this is like a huge deal to him obviously My videos that I know Like Noah Sampson Second thought things like that and it's you do not have my permission to walk away from the record. I'm not Walking away from time like what are you supposed to do if if there's an emergency and you just wait I'll be right back If only Where was this So funny This is funny when you have the context of all the shit We went through looking at Hassan's content by the way like with react stuff You couldn't fucking accept that this is the obvious answer Ethan just throws it out and what's the son's reaction? Yeah, you can oh yeah, and also you can pause it, but the problem is when you pause the video. It's just like Makes the content awful. You know what? Yeah, but like Say that's no, I'm telling you. Oh, no, no, I know you're right. You see guys put on a song or something You know, I mean you're absolutely right. You're 100% right. You're 100% right 100% oh He's really come he's come a long way apparently You know I was what I've read this already on my own stream And it was so insane to me that this is like complete opposite like that's what he was saying obviously It was supposed to the JXE stuff and you're just sitting there like is this genuine or like is it just because he's no pressure now I I don't know but I think I find his thought process kind of remarkable because to me I just find it so strange that he can't like it's like oh, but I suffer like if I pause and then go away And there's nothing playing like that affects me. So what am I supposed to do? And it's like, I don't know like deal with that Yeah, just like deal with the fact that some people might leave because there's nothing playing And if you want to get around that just play your old stuff like play some highlights or something You can pay someone to make those for you and then play them during the breaks if you're so insistent on having something for them to watch It's just fascinating that he can't square that away like I blows my mind Okay, I don't want to suck myself off too much cuz you know out of shit But it's so simple all you do is you play your latest YouTube video You know and then you play that and then afterwards you go okay guys We'll get back to the video now go and check that video out when you after the stream, right? And then you promote your own stuff. It's just so straightforward genius Right there self promotion crazy. I think you should just record yourself and then put that recording of yourself in the thing Of you like randomly responding to chat, but Chad doesn't notice that it's recorded. Yeah I Voice mail message sort of thing How to fake gif or something of him fake reaction, didn't he I'm sure About me up on this in chat surely Anyway, sorry. Oh, don't you know that would be like we're actually that's it Ironically, we're actually unironically only probably like a year or two years away from you being able to put So like hook your chat into chat GBT and have it like respond to the chat for you Just have like it like modulate your voice or something Yeah, but Be be right back screens though can be their own kind of cool thing like my I know I never mentioned her But my wife does gaming streams too and I made her be right back screen out of just an old video I shot of her dancing in the kitchen while she was cooking one time And I just put like extra girl will be right back at the bottom of that and there's people in her chat That flat-out say sometimes I tune in just for the be right back screen. Make it a good one I was like, you know, I made that yeah, I thought they were Gotcha suckers a BRB screen Or I don't mind waiting. I mean I go to the bathroom all the time. It's like, hey guys, I'll be right back And I mean I won't have a button. Yeah, I want to be anything I walked out chat I create a bunch of and I have AI xqc that talks to you guys for a little bit and oh, there you go I would prefer that go for it. That'd be great. Yeah chat But be a lot smarter and I ended up being fucking dude. I'm not gonna do it. Yeah But that was mine. I mean it would be a lot smarter than xqc Yeah, you can send it boom, but it's pretty slow though Eight hour stream though, of course that happens way more frequently than you would You know because eight an hour at least though, you know, I mean It's about it's about filling it. It's about filling that space a little bit better You could plan something ahead of time. You could film. Yeah Just all the arguments that have been said, oh my god Why I thought about Is like I'll play A complementary video that is like off of instagram or tiktok or something That's what I started It depends. What does he mean? Does he mean his own from there or does he mean someone else's? I Any old tiktok just slap that on there, but I'm not sure I need to like get up for a second. Oh, you know the original video that I thought was a pretty good idea He plays like highlights from his stream or something It's like every single suggest That's an irl stream You can do that on your irl streams like you have a readily available clips that you can just like play the high back in the day especially I used to I used to have a setup where I would cook Simultaneously, I didn't have a camera in the kitchen But I would cook but I also had a monitor in the kitchen So I would watch the video. I don't know why he thinks this matters at all Like oh, I'm still watching the video. It's not about whether or not you're watching the video It's about whether you're fucking commenting on it. Look, I'm cooking. I'm adding. I'm cooking. I'm transforming it like oh Well, I'm still watching this like I don't care like it doesn't matter It matters to him and I would run back Like this is why he's breaking it up. He still thinks there's some reasoning behind this there isn't To the death sorry if I wanted to say something about it at least in the chat, but it was bad optically Yeah, it was bad optically. It was bad optically. It was just regular. Oh, yeah, it's bad optically. Yeah Also mine says that's what he cares about as he doesn't it. It's not optically. I mean principally, you know People got very upset. So I I recognized that was wrong People got very upset that so I recognized that that was wrong If I remember you started with optically bad they're people upset. I recognized it was wrong. Yeah Fascinating I it is it really is that's good. Now, you know, you'll You'll still cat guys The priming chat said it even cooks you where that's me getting up. I don't get cooked anywhere I have to pee or I have to take kaya Is there any actually getting cooked like I don't cook time steps I get my phone. Calm down, dude. What I'll say. I mean, what is that? You're the time step. What do you apparently Wants to be cooked And xqc's which I'm looking at now this man uploaded five videos in one day There's no fucking way that anybody's putting any effort into this like here Wow, you could you could have multiple editors. I mean, I have multiple editors Let me see this video and you taste controversy finally caught up with him. I watched this video. So let me see So the criticism now is based on how much I'm uploading Well, no, come on do a little bit of legwork Like the position that Ethan is basically positing is if you're uploading this much in a day And you look at how much the run time is on each of those videos It just doesn't seem like it's possible that somebody could have gone through all of that and curated it and edited it and chopped it up Unless as the sun said there were multiple And then Ethan said there's not Right switch exactly like I'm yeah In time that's just oh, so I have to go But uh, oh well Thanks for having me on You're you're neat. All right Yeah, all right, you're fine. Wow. Wow, you know what? Okay for having me on not good not great. It was an okay experience. It was and this was an okay This was this experience was acceptable. That's true. Okay. I like that with a little bit of effort. It could be decent But yeah, no It's fun topic. I'm fortunate. I Fun topic. Unfortunately. I have a graduation party of a friend to get to Oh, great. Oh, that's a good graduate. I like it It is Uh, but thanks for having me. No problemo. You always enjoy talking to all of you gentlemen Everyone here except for adam who I talk to too much I'll talk to you tomorrow. Say tomorrow. We can't wait. Bye. Bye. See you. Bye Have you got your topic sorted for tomorrow adam? No Pretty confident answer. Yeah We just chatted a little bit. You want to cover react your xqc react drama? Because It's just led The blacks and nyc in a riot. That's right up your street I want to talk about barbie. That's up your street. You live there My god, because man, why the nyc, right? That's I mean, what is there to say about that really chud You could be incredibly racist for about three hours. Not a lot. Not a lot. So, you know, we'll figure it out That just seems like you're small, but this shit is fucking farming From a police raid on the mansion resulting Huh, and of course xqc wouldn't care about uploading this because he doesn't have any moral, uh Well, okay, but you're watching like andrew tates controversy finally caught up to him That's not necessarily like a like this isn't even Moral what is Say to that. No, no You're gonna make the news argument. Hasan is Indeed what morals Uh, I think the most hold on go ahead. What are you saying? It's not what this isn't even that bad like you're how do you know? I just started it Wow Get him get him Is no matter what it is. It's probably like, uh, is it just a bunch of news reaction? No, it's a video Oh, it's just one singular video. Yeah one video. I know because I watched it. This is the end for andrew tate. I watched it from internet art, uh Anarchist, yeah Hey guys, this video is from it's from the guy. Um, yeah guys, I watch you guys It's from the guy that's um on the screen. I'm gonna. I'm gonna read his name. Yeah It's from the guy that's on the screen. I'm going to read Yeah, because it's on the screen right now Oh, that's the guy. I know this guy. No, he didn't did he he didn't even read his name. Didn't look like he probably does at the end Maybe I don't know. I think he means I'm gonna read it in my head So true true. He probably did that Maybe maybe It's ironically is the guy that uh fucking aiden ross copy strike because uh false copy strike because he thought he was So like I mean just right off the bat. What the fuck is this editing? There's 10 seconds of him sitting there like a moron By the way, sorry, I just I listen. I can't let that stand go for it people Okay, aiden ross. It's not true that you false copy strike to people There's certainly some criticism somewhere for aiden ross, but he's using a third party digital rights management company That automatically claim your video if you use a certain amount of aiden ross's content primarily it's designed to stop people doing full rips of his stream Um, but unfortunately people that do do fair use content get caught up in it Normally if you do the content ID thing and say, you know, this is an incorrect claim is fair use They'll release it. So aiden ross gets a lot of shit on this a bit justified But a lot not justified. That's what I wanted to say on that fair enough I don't know anything about it. So me neither no clue Because my youtube is a stream cut down you old person You old person I'll I'll even highlight it was it video. You could have chopped out the first 10 seconds of doing nothing That's all he said. He doesn't be old to think that's true Like I said the first 10 seconds I said I had integrity No, not the first 10 seconds of the video is there's nothing happening in the first 10 seconds is what ethan said But even still you could cut that even if the video was playing right? We talked about this earlier All the way through and I've said this for years I don't care to make youtube content for youtube The youtube so people that don't want to watch the whole broadcast and the whole pausing and shit and dumb dumb shit It's a cut down of the stream YouTube is an extension and a condensed version Of twitch for the youtube frogs But it's still a youtube video. It's all on youtube. This doesn't really do it on youtube Well, ethan's argument is yeah, but this isn't good enough like it's like you could say this and it would just be the same thing It's like yeah, it's not good enough. You need to do more There's no other built off of him reacting to other people's This youtube channel if you look at way behind way back when The youtube videos without somebody sending in like a chat where they were saying that ethan does the same thing I don't know maybe Because ethan did do reaction content, but it was not like this but his was highly refined and transformative His reaction videos would I mean they didn't do the thing of including the whole video Like i'm not even sure what he thinks about the idea of including the whole thing Um, but his certainly didn't if I remember correctly Oh, yeah, no, they're really good videos. They're the reason why everyone felt like he fell off is because those videos are so good Popular or viral There was no editing that was made to create something It was something to translate to people that want to watch on youtube for cut downs This was not meant to make money or be good It never was never meant to make money or be good But this video is totally monetized, right? Like it has ads and stuff. I assume Like this is a monetized video as far as I'm aware The only time it doesn't get monetized if other people claim it and then you just let it go But it's not supposed to be good as a priceless line. I think It's not supposed to be good, which I believe you Never was it is now and now because it is that's a change of formula because ethan says you wow This is this is looking like a youtube video. Uh, this was for my community Bitch ass that you post on a youtube dumb my cut down dog shit content is surpassing your old balding men content What man he really That really matters to him then the views like that's really really important to him then My reuploads of taken videos has more views than your old bald content Which again, it's just I guess that really really really matters to him is how many views it gets and how bold you are And how bold you are. Yeah, well, he's he stated like the whole my content's just better Than everyone else the reason that their content they're only upset because my content gets a lot of views It's not meant to be good And I'm replace and I'm replaceable, but I'm the best Well, he told me on um destiny stream that he considers himself and along with the others to be bottom of the barrel Like scum basically in terms of content creation I remember being I had to like try and defend him. I was like, you're not worthless You do add and he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's like, okay I tried And you're malding about it Imagine the trash cut downs are Slopping you and you're malding about it That's insane. Yeah, I mean, it's not it's not my effort. Yeah, this is a thing I mean, this is a very common twitch um behavior is you attribute What could be reasonable criticism or issue to being mad and angry about it, right? I don't know if this happens in your space as well Uh, well, I mean, I guess it's like a human nature thing to some extent, right? To be like, you're not even serious. You're just jealous like You jealous you're angry. You're upset Because malding is like it came from twitch, right? It started out as a thing. It's so mad that you're balding, right? I think so. Yeah, I hate it. It's dumb. It's stupid So mad you're balding There's like I remember the line being like, yeah, he's malding is like, what does that mean? It's like he's mad and balding He's so angry. He's losing his hair. No, I think it's just it's not I think it wasn't that it was just Hey, he's angry and it's worse because he's all bald It's weird because he's bald That's that's pretty funny I think I was about to say I think that's not as funny But it's like I might be as funny the idea of like you're mad and you're also bald Holy there was an efficient way to express these two things Yeah The most clever of portmanteaus For a refined twitch audience Laugh all these fools combined times 20 if I want to become a youtuber I would fucking wipe their ass Dude, holy shit. I don't know. It's this is like that. I mean hold on. No, it's not. Let me get We're doomed as a species that xqc has a little bit like we're just we're we're fucked. We're absolutely fucked That's the ultimate black pill the human race entire situation. The human race is molding It is humanity is malding Let me get a How like this stream is a hell of a lot more transformative than uh His reactions to the videos because he's actually responding to the things that are being said Yeah, you could tell because he's fucking passionately invested. We're actually getting like a transform bit of content. It's great For this Why wouldn't they cut that? First in tape being held in the romanian jail cell for over look at him. You don't even know what the fuck he's watching I think the main the main problem probably the main problem here Should be that if this is on your main channel, you should definitely edit it more for sure. Hold on a son I really want to see I want to get a feel for the people that watch the stream will understand What if it was not full a full screen and why it's getting stalled people that watch this Is it's literally meant for twitch viewers kick viewers to get vods Okay, and it can in a condensed version. We did not have to look for that But it's not it's like he's talking right past Ethan like it's like he can't even understand like Where what where even trying to go with it all? Like even like these arguments about how it's not transformative. It's like no, it's it's a vod It's like Yeah, it's it's pretty clear to me still like especially after us watching Excuse me going over the assassination video that he sees the live stream as a watch party And his audience Thinks the same way that hence why they're always saying like why are you pausing it, bro? and I can understand the the want for An online watch party and there are some legal channels for that I mean there's a disney plus. I think has a feature for it and like netflix But like you all have to be subscribers of the platform as and like have and to have paid for A subscription and then that gives you the access to the content and then so of course they don't care If you're all just going to get together in a little group and watch the same thing But like you can't equate that to this where you're digitally broadcasting something and anybody can just Jump in and watch the dark night because xqc felt like watching the movie and you know you you don't have to You don't have to pay for it like like these other situations with i'm pretty sure that um twitch has got like baked in amazon prime Watch parties I remember when borat came out the latest borat movie a bunch of people watching that as a watch party thing um But I think because it put it obviously if you don't have amazon prime You're not going to be able to get involved. So I think obviously streamers are just not going to bother Right, but obviously on kick you can watch the dark night and you're not going to get in meaningful trouble for it As you would on twitch So I think one of the reasons xqc is so stubborn with this is because he's like on an entirely different ball field Like argumentatively The way he takes criticism is like You're telling me I can't watch videos with my friends Like get the fuck out of here like I can do whatever I want. Don't tell me what to do And it's like dude. It's not about You watching stuff with your friends. You are distributing copyrighted material in a way where anybody can jump in and access it without Without paying for it And like just letting it run on so long Uh, but for some reason Yeah It's like the live streaming is okay, but like when you upload it People get get people are It's weird to me Sorry, what was that? Well, it's just is it's not a contradiction of the old doesn't he he believes that this is transformative, right? Like of uploading the But like it's almost like he's making an appeal to the argument of like no, you don't understand I'm not making edits because it's reuploaded the void Like it it's almost like he's simultaneously making the argument that a both is or isn't transformative Unless he is just relying on the chat being on screen It's like that's enough to make it transform. I'm not actually sure What if he believes chat is transformative? It isn't if you remember abba said it was and I think that threw xqc off in terms of where you think it is But I don't know exactly what he believes about that anymore All right, um, I think the other thing people are pointing out though is he also has got this other argument as well Which he doesn't really talk about now, but this idea that it doesn't cause harm to anyone So he is seeing it as I'm sharing it with my stream pals my viewers No one's getting hurt. So what's the problem? right Yeah, I mean We've gone over that a couple times right like the the act itself doesn't necessarily have to harm someone for it to be Yeah, absolutely. But then but then the thing is is like if we're accepting obviously He's got a different headspace about this and he views it in that way and he's not going to change his mind This is why a reach out to xqc because he says it'll give you 10 times the ad revenue Yeah, so if you're great, that was my conclusion with them in the debate I encourage the the creators to get their bag so to speak And to for xqc when talking to ethan to make sure he mentions all of that because that's going to be the thing to fight him on Now If you want to try and argue He's like hurting people if he's offering them 10 times whatever he makes on the video It's like I want to see someone collect that I want to see what happens They look at it and they understand it. They understand it. This is a stream and a youtube video And it's why they watch it if anything it wards off the people that don't like this content that watch it So they don't Watch me and don't watch the other video. This really reduces cannibalism This practice quite literally reduces potential cannibalistic behavior In this you satisfied with with this argument. I'm not sure what happened In this argument, you know, I mean it felt like because anyone follow it It seems like there was almost like It just like switched at some point right in the minute It seemed like his argument was the way that I upload my vods leads people to the king Like it will it will sway away the kind of people who would have the problems that ethan has so consequently I'm reducing cannibalism because those people wouldn't watch my stuff which would contribute to it Like that seems to be the through line Help me out here. It's not help me out Anyone else go anything on that because it confused the hell out of me. What he just said He's not talking about I don't know people, right? people Not actual cannibalism I don't know analytics literally And he's cooking me for it. That's insane. No that that's This is like my fan. Uh, this is like Excuse me sounds like one of those crazy people who represents themselves and like some horrific mass murdering trial You know, like no, I will represent though. The blah blah blah blah blah but but myself Fan on and operating channels. They're just like straight post vods like straight rip vods, you know what I mean Six months, but with the recent developments in their case. It seems like this is just the beginning Hi, I'm the incident anarchist. I created weekly to document. I mean, this is already theft. He didn't and he didn't Even intro it. He didn't talk about it. He's literally just sitting there quietly for the first 30 seconds You should sue him. Fuck you. Excuse me. You thief bit Rude Just eat the goat nuts on it pull his sod. What's he gonna do? What is he gonna say? He's just sweating over there. Oh my god. I'm not surprised. He's stealing people's videos. He steals people's money I will demonetize this segment of the stream. I will I just I just turned off. I just turned off subs Follows I took my brain off. You know, dude, you didn't you didn't you didn't I turned the fucking power off, dude I'm broke I turned everything off. Just sorry. There's no sitting going on here. Did Why is everything so tainted about money all the fucking time, dude? I'm so tired It's that you know, that sounds like something a rich ass person says is interested Right. Why is that word obsessed with what buddy is going on? It's like I don't know for people who deserve to have the buddy, I guess Also, this doesn't make the video go away. You can turn off your Subs or whatever but the video's still up. You're still like you're still producing views And everything with it Just might be easy to say money's not a big deal when you've just gotten um, hundred million dollars from a Pick what that's like a hundred of a million dollars A hundred of those There's some people that basically saying in my chat as well that I sound like uh, oh Excuse me got permission to upload this anyway. The problem with that is excuse me is not saying that now He's making other arguments I don't believe it's only later that his editor confirms to him that he actually had permission to upload it So even if that's the case, I've not seen actual evidence of that Maybe it's out there. Well, and I think not saying that now you've just proven as well the weather or naughty has permission He's doing it, which we already know to be true He said like in post if they give me, uh, you know requests on taking it down or if they want money or if they want this Yeah, they can ask all that I'm putting it up anyway, and then we'll solve solve it afterward Raisy dude that they make everything about money And when you brand the topic of money, they back down they extract just go to twitter chat Look at every person that are trying to argue against me, right? Anytime they made all the hints at money and I say yo dude money Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Who said money who said money who's anything about money and if they all get insecure like bro You are trying to make it about money again. I'm calling your ass out Just on up to it Is by the way, I don't actually know what the point of that was all of those words and I don't know what the point was Was he again talking about like how everyone's obsessing over the money aspect when he's not or something Basically his argument is people will talk about the money, but then as soon as I bring the subject to money They want to run away run away from talking about money My best guess would be that he's referring to when he basically says we all pay them 10 times the money Then they want to retreat to a different argument Which the funny thing is they could still do that they could be like, all right We've solved the money problem now we can get again to the principled position You know like it doesn't necessarily End the conversation But again, I don't even know if that's what he is saying I actually don't know or if that's just an argument that I made And I'm not gonna believe the xqc thing about paying people 10 times like I I don't I think that's just a lie I don't think he has any intention to do that and when he starts doing it. I'll believe it But until then fuck no, I don't believe anything this guy says He's doing this to get out of his current situation And that's it This is just a band-aid to get himself out of the the the current talk that he's doing and tomorrow it'll be like it never happened No, he's got to commit to this surely if he's saying it he's got to commit to it Because if a creator comes short and says he said he'd do it and didn't and he's gonna get more shit Like I said, I encourage the streamers to do it There's that one that was complaining on twitter about the fact that he just streamed it and didn't really even talk about it It's like you do it go go go. Yeah, go please. Please do. Let's see if he's a liar You're you're talking to someone who I Do not care about ip in the same way that you do we have differing opinions on it You don't you think that you should be able to take people's videos and re-up Also when they were watching my they were watching my clip Wasn't very reactionary was it i'm on his screen right now and there's not much reaction going on There isn't much of a of a transformative uh value to this Yes, there is You're actively having a conversation using your vehicle as of your video as a vehicle to do it The mistake that xqc might make here and uh I guess I can understand how is that a lot of you will be like you're not reacting enough because ethan said like it's 30 Seconds went by and you didn't even say anything and then he's like yeah But that 30 seconds just went by of you not saying anything about me doing that and it's like okay We'll get real tangled up because technically speaking they're reacting to now internet anarchist video not you They're not reacting to anything from you because you're not doing anything. That's precisely what they're pointing out So if anything internet anarchist might have a point But i'm pretty sure we're okay with the idea that they can have a 30 second segment Where they don't say anything if the majority of the uh coverage is actual Content like they're talking obviously they're not going to cover more than like a minute of this So, you know what I mean? I think he's just trying to have some fun. He's like, ah, you're not transforming me the You know Um, I'm being tiffed I'm being tiffed in a more way in a more way I'm being tiffed in a more way That i'm being this guy it seems like somebody has a lawsuit seems like it's me on them I mean, that's what it looks like to me Blood them. I got him. I well not necessarily. I think not necessarily I think you should still uh abide by certain standards, but overall I don't really care. I don't really care if someone riffs my ip I don't know but you're talking about ip law. Are you talking about what your preference is my personal Why I said dmca wars are stupid and don't help anybody. I that's a lie This is somewhat the only person who says this is a person who has everything to lose if they get dmca's Oh, no, don't do it. It doesn't help anybody. It doesn't help anybody to do this What it obviously does dmc is is is essential to being able to protect your copyright and your stuff There's all kinds of uses for him right like is even um when people are Like defaming you using content of yours in like a malicious way you can dmc ends are doing that Doesn't have to be strictly that you're re-uploading uh entirely, but I'd still say that's a valid use of it, of course I'm gonna sue him. He's gonna sue me because this isn't the way to do it This is stupid. It's stupidity and you don't fuck with the law Like a dumbass. You don't fuck with the law. It's not fucking with the law. It's using the law for its intended purpose That's why it's there to be used to protect your stuff I think it's weird that he said you don't fuck with the law Like a dumbass when he's the one that streamed the dark knight and hunter x hunter on kick And the kick staff had to come into his fucking stream to tell him to stop Hmm interesting, but that requires like a memory knowledge of prior events Inconsistency Which xqc is just not capable of doing I fuck around a bit. I find out tabernac Yeah The law man law is sacred. Don't fuck with it. So no preferences and what I don't fuck with it I haven't heard that one before right think uh My personal preference preferences and what I believe and how I believe ip should be run is Significantly more There should be a uh, this should be a what? There should be a similar structure to how patents are supposed to exist patents for all content creation that um after a certain amount of time is passed for like television productions Or for uh, even movies in general Um, I'm talking about public domain. Why is he taking so long to just say he would like public domain to be like entered in pretty quickly He wants to be shorter seemingly right I just want to make a quick point about this because it's aren't Talks a big talk about supporting the fucking actor strike and the writer strike and stuff like that and the workers of the world Yeah, yeah, right if you have this in place where stuff is public domain sooner That would limit the residuals that actors and writers get paid on networks So he's arguing for something which would actually hurt actors and writers And residuals is one of the things that actors and writers are striking about because the streaming companies are not paying them as much So it's like he virtue signals about supporting these strikes But he wants something in place is going to make it worse for actors and writers. Yep Sorry, just wanted to point that out. It's true Oh, it's you know If you're if you're making this taken you you want to actually delve into the nature of who owns like creative works What do you think it comes from the idea of getting residuals? If not people essentially claiming some amount of ownership of their creative work Like how do you know what I mean? It's like he seems to divorce that between But I don't know like doesn't he watch like the hell's kitchen and stuff on like his dreams or Does he watch television shows or does he not do that anymore? I think he stopped or is it other people? Am I mixing them up with other people? Stop because the law is sacred Well, that was that was xqc, right not Hassan didn't say that. I was making a joke Ah, okay. I'm just trying to get it. So so Hassan doesn't watch like master chef anymore No, I don't think I don't know that I know of no, I think that's kind of tapered off quite a lot if if Maybe he's watched them all and he's done Every season of master chef. Yep Did Hassan stop doing that kind of thing a while ago or just now because it's such a stink with xqc I can't remember the last time he watched master chef and stuff on on stream Um, I do you know as much as I've got creations of Hassan. He does seem to improve his whole react stuff And it's only social pressure though. It's nothing to do with his principles Uh, yeah, yeah, I think I'd agree with that. Yeah 100% Completely lifted and you can make derivative works off of that with ease That's like a here's my reaction. Not even if I think it should be shorter than that So he thinks it should be shorter than basically what public domain is now. I'm sure yeah The very least I'm sure he would take it to an extreme one. Uh, number two I think that uh as far as like no one is in control over ip Listen to his words. Yeah, the words mean things don't have it. I don't I don't believe in it I don't think it's a good thing. What do you mean? You don't believe wait, what? I don't I think he doesn't believe in Wait, he doesn't believe in ip Does he so does he not believe in the ownership of like Intangible like ideas or creations art. You don't believe in that How do you call it property? I need to call it labor I mean, he this what he said was I don't know what else we can do with it But I don't believe in I think I guess I guess I'm I'm it's almost like I've got the same as ethan It's like do you actually believe that? like really and truly Intellectual property is theft. Okay You think that people should be able to steal your videos and upload it. Yeah, which is why I have why? How is that fair to anybody? Do you really believe that? He's not letting him go on anything you say and he's Yeah, he's holding them to it if you literally search hasan abhi there are a thousand channels pretty much that I literally take every because things Most things on social media things like are meant to be shared. You shared you wanted to be shared Oh, wait, you want to control how it's shared or whatever. Yeah, because it's also an accident Yeah, that's that's what copyright is Yeah, that yeah and again So much of this comes down to the fact that xqc is a really stupid and unfathomably wealthy So he doesn't have to worry about any of this. He it this is beyond him This is not a problem. He ever has to worry about all he does is steal shit Somehow churns that into millions of dollars because of the retards that watch him and it's done He does not have a dog in this fight not in this sense He can just keep stealing shit forever until until Why does he think it's a binary in terms of sharing? It's like you can want something to be shared on your terms like How that's so unreasonable I think yeah, I agree It seems like you're just mad that the things aren't being shared the way that you want them to yeah, which is that right? On other people's behalf and it's cringe as fuck within raisin everything I do on my stream and reupload it I know that you know, I know that you don't care I'm talking you're talking about like the exactly the rules for everybody in a perfect world I don't care that much either about what people do with my content, but in a perfect world. I think that uh Content of the law says that if you're if you're at the fucking baseball game So he throws a peanut at you. Okay, you just been assaulted the There's there's a pun in this somewhere Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, well the pun is two peanuts walking down the road. One of them was assaulted Yeah lawsuit Are you gonna shoot the person behind you to throw a peanut at you by accident? You're not probably not gonna do that and that's just how it is. Okay, that's irrelevant There's plenty of laws that are in place that we don't agree with sure. That's fine. The same the same the validity of of laws and That's not what Ethan is asking whether or not you would want these rules applied to everybody Like just because it's your perspective Do you think that you would want everybody to be following these rules? So it's like you could sense kind of appealing to the law But it would be more so appealing to again ethics Do you think that this is the way that the world should be run? He threw in by accident too in the middle of the example Are you saying what if I did you by accident and it's like wait, wait Is it an accident because then yeah, it might not be a crime because the person's like, hey Did you just throw that peanut at me? You say no I tripped and my peanuts spilled and it bounced off this thing and hit you that that it Good luck actually being able to like do that and get someone like arrested and everything. Yeah True And human behavior is a fucking brain dead act. What am I saying? I'm saying it is stupid to say what technically according to the law You cannot watch this you cannot do this one. The laws are already blurry enough But the laws are sacred. Why what do you say what laws are blurry enough is we said Not here they aren't Not with uh, not with you watching master chef Or the dark night which he stopped because the law was so fucking clear Yeah I mean you'd have to be Insanely ignorant or stupid to think you could do it in the first place and he knew you weren't allowed to do it He just thought he could get away with it Right and to some people don't care or some people actually care But they want that they want their video to be stolen But there's more people that want that than not that and you're saying that you're getting arrived at that conclusion Well, even if he's correct, right? There's a plethora of different responses from all different kinds of people But you're gonna have one approach with it every time which is to do it If 51 percent of people say it's okay to just randomly walk into their house and eat from their fridge Do it because 51 percent that's most people. So just do it. Fuck it Also try that around here and find out what happens I think it's what it's like most creators if you read the responses say transform the content that is their one Soul wish in this whole trauma. Yep, you know Or give credit, you know, yeah Do you have a say to nobody still everybody stand back? No guys Stand back. Nobody's still I got you guys. I I guys. I got you guys I am the hero of this You want to really be stolen? No, no, no, you don't trust me wrong You don't you don't want that you don't want to talk about white knight in They're saying it's dumb as fuck that we would ever take issue with something when the person is getting quote-unquote stolen from isn't Raising the stink themselves even though people have in the past Is it why do I have to have a personal stake in anything to have an opinion on it? Especially when it comes from a moral or principled position I don't know like it's that's ridiculous that that's incredibly dumb and plus you can't even say that Because it might be my video that gets stolen tomorrow I don't know. Yeah Well, what is he basing the idea that is it that most people would be happy with the bump in exposure So therefore he's saying most people would be happy that it's being responded to by him He has made that claim just now very boldly Is he saying then that means the people who aren't okay with it don't matter or don't exist? Uh, I mean it effectively either one to him. It you know Either way Well, this it goes into the walking into people's houses thing I said earlier like in his mind if most people are okay with it Then just you have carte blanche to just do it to anyone. He doesn't ask for permission before he does it He doesn't take any of these precautions or any of these steps He's just saying well, most people would like me to do it. So I'm just gonna do it willy-nilly We're in how I see fit Okay You guys over there and you don't want this I got you. I'm the hero here This sword French would Have You you would be subsidized everyone every every type of content creation would be heavily subsidized Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait every so like I get the government would pay me to make youtube videos That costs money, dude Well, the point I made is that look obviously, you know the market is good in some ways For example with media it's more views equals better Equals, you know money goes that direction to put it simply right so under this system Could I just broadcast a fucking video of my wall and then get paid by the government fucking? You know central committee for my content as long as you tape a banana onto it. You'll be fine Well You so he's saying so I guess Hassan really is being like the government should subsidize Content creation just making things and I like I suppose in some elements there are tax credits for specific things But if we're talking the realm of streaming in youtube videos like He's saying broadly he's saying like sweepingly as opposed to like, I don't know specific like british columbia or like Georgia or any of these places the uk like in terms of their specific Like localizing industries for the art if a republican senator Propose this he'd be screaming fascism Because this is the government controlling the way that art is made in creative I mean if all art is getting government subsidized I would imagine that the government might have a perspective on what kind of art can be created Of course government money always has strings Yeah, what world always would it just be as long as you qualify as creating something like gaysha in there? Sorry, it like it wouldn't be as simple as as long as you create we give you money It's gonna have strings of some kind You have to say these things it has to have this amount of stuff and it has to have this and that and this and that And so all of that content would be what the government approves of And it just seems like such an antithetical thing to what I would assume Has he has he even remotely no fringy he came up with this now. Yeah I genuinely believe this in real time That's what I was saying. Well, obviously bind's in office. So, you know, he's probably thinking great I can do all my progressive content, but when the sandals or trump wins in the next election It's gonna be, you know, you got to make content saying how gays are all redacted, you know And then he's gonna have to either do that, which you probably would be honestly They probably think fuck it. I'll do it for the page for the money or he's gonna have to quit When I was talking about public domain, I really thought It seemed to me like he thought he was inventing the concept of public domain as he was thinking of it And that he's just he might believe that yeah, that might be in his head because he didn't know the name for it But he was like describing the concept and like now. I don't I don't like with patents It's that after some period as well that can expire and then it becomes available to A whole bunch of different companies, right? Isn't that like with pharmaceutical products? But after some amount of time anybody can make a generic version like for instance of a patented drug Yeah, the yeah one of the easiest ones that people know both the generic and the Brand name for is Advil or Motrin is ibuprofen ibuprofen being the generic name and generally that happens Yeah, I forget I see them out if it's Tylenol But I'm not sure what the time frame is or if it's consistent worldwide And now my pharmacy office. Well, I mean it's the same with copyright copyright I I can't remember which one is which but I Some places it's like from the moment you create it some places are like x number of years after your death And it varies as well like the number of years, you know depending which country you're into Not be art would not be created. I don't think of like into like a real modernization. Yeah, which is why I'm saying By the way, he just goes like yeah, like you agree and it's like You don't agree. That was a criticism. That was saying that you're it's entirely unrealistic and almost nonsense. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, it's just here's his yeah, like you can't say yes. You don't agree No, yeah, I hate when people do that and I I just want but I mean all that shit out more often stop saying yes, you don't agree We don't agree because I don't think that like for instance, disney would ever want this world to exist Have have a disney like fought for years at this point like Extending and extending and extending mickey mouse in terms of public domain Like you think any major corporation is going to be on board with this No, they want to hold on to that shit forever for as long as they can Well, no people do people believe in this and individuals want to because What like it's it's it's a good incentive To create things if you know that you get the economic benefits from the thing that you create because you own it That's a huge incentive The thing you need to bear in mind is asan is probably conceiving of this within some sort of socialist or communist vision Because that would be his ideal system of Okay, okay Would it be a world we get universal basic income combined with funding for the arts for every individual? Correct, and then you can go and make your lesbian slam poetry, you know to your heart's content. No issues Truly a utopia He understands that if If that's open to everyone that means that People are even he will only be able to ever do youtube streams or twitch streams or whatever At certain times because if everyone has the ability to do that That means everyone else is also going to have to chip into make sure the crops are grown Make sure the roads are built, you know all the things that in a socialist society Get done Well, I don't have seen the threads where they go. What would be your ideal job in a communist society? I want to be the the commune's poet, you know, yes, exactly. I want to tell everyone about the struggle Yeah, it's all these lofty Oh, I want to be the person in school who teaches all the next generation About the struggle of the working class and communist ideals and they're like, yeah, yeah, we've got 79 I was like, I just want to you know wander around and write poetry and just yeah and just live, you know Like I want to okay you want witcher Do you try to call me out for for not asking for people if it's about other videos? I have a track record that my editors ask people more one more often than other people's editors if okay, but Like you need to do it all the time is the criticism Like sometimes You were actually flipped and show dm's in your positions I have a bigger track record of acid provision than any of these motherfuckers any of them Any of them and you still do shitty That's something about the state of the world, doesn't it than any react lord out there and I will fucking prove it If they if they if they come out and say Show big size I will show my it'll flop around on the fucking faces dude And I hope I'm gonna get a fucking apology at that point, bitch Understanding of the world versus what is happening in the real world are two separate issues Or two separate scenarios. So you believe that ip's People should just be able to steal your content. I don't I don't Well, first of all, I don't even consider it theft because people do that already and I have given allowances for people do that However, I'm not saying people are stealing your content. Yeah, well, they are talking about ip laws in general I think that The protection should only exist for You know people like youtube channels and whatnot people that are smaller independent operations And so I hate to break it to you this time But that would never happen the only thing that could ever happen would be the opposite Whether protections are really strong for massive corporations That have teams of lawyers that can fight on this and an individual creators are screwed And if the world does How how big is too big and what does that mean? So like if you make a million dollars or something in a year The like does that reduce the amount of like time left until your thing becomes public demand? Or does that happen instantly? Like what does this world look like and there's also two other problems as well One is once you hit a certain thing like you hit a 10 million dollars and it cuts off how much you can claim Number one pirates going to come in and start pirating your shit because they can't you can't protect it Number two other networks are going to go. Oh, they're things expired We can put that on our network without paying for it. Lovely jubbly It just it's an insane concept. This wouldn't work in any sort of practical way We're gonna see mr. Beast beast videos all over disney plus Yes, exactly I mean, it's going to be the the big corporations have the ability to pay for massive marketing And they already have these established platforms and services on the internet And they're just going to take everything that exists and plop them on their services And you You might be able to take their stuff, but it doesn't matter because you can't broadcast that like they can They have these massive megaphones across the internet and you're a guy So you're going to get drowned out. So that doesn't even make the playing field level at all The restrictions should be heavily heavily limited for larger corporations So how do you decide who's the smaller and who's the larger? It's actually a really good question I don't have an answer for that. I've thought about it a lot, but I do not have an answer for it I think like isn't that like the most important fundamental question Yeah, like wouldn't you wouldn't you're like uh, like placeholder answer be what's based off of income or employees or you know Gross generated whatever line, but some criteria would be nice Money size of the actual company, um like something yeah public privately traded or something like He says this is the way that it should be based on this principle It's like, okay. When do you draw the line? No idea at all. All right, then This is not very workable I'm sorry. This is so funny. Someone said why didn't either anybody on the cast point out that Hasan and ether neither of them are bold or bolding It's like, well, I don't know. That's just what xqc said Like I guess it just didn't even occur to me Yeah I don't know I think xqc might have seen that that photoshop picture of ethan going around where he's like twice. Yeah Totally bald. Oh, okay Ethan even made that his twitter picture. So I think that it's possible that might be a thing that xqc misunderstood It's weird because he's looking at ethan now. This is yeah, this is brand new and he's got a full head of like, you know It's shaved down, but still Hey, I'm trying to be good faith. It's not always easy. Okay. I was good faith just now It's okay. You can be good faith. Yeah oftentimes Ethan and his son like oftentimes they probably look like each other just like flipped upside down Some guy, maybe some guy has a 10 year old video, right? That's 10 seconds long, right? Uh, some old tiktok and has like nine views on it, right? And you show it on your stream and the guy goes out of his way, right? Wakes up in the morning says, oh my god I was just robbed of my stardom. This video was about a Robbed of his an electrical property. I mean, it's yeah, but like the actual damages would just be All of that engagement you got to take from his video. He doesn't get any of it And what did you do with it? It's not like we're saying he becomes the most famous tiktoker ever overnight If only you hadn't reacted to it. What are you saying? Yeah, it's ridiculous extremes It's just that you got a whole bunch of you you extracted all of the value from that guy's creation from that guy's work And he gets shed World and make millions of dollars my eight video my eight video This was about a farm and I was just fucking I was stolen I'm gonna sue everybody who watched this. I'm going to Sue everybody in court immediately because the DMC laws say they should have watched it I can't fucking believe it dude. Holy fuck. Nobody thinks like that. This is brain dead I mean, they're very well made gymnastics. You don't know thought that you either think this is a bad argument Is it sad? It is sad. Sorry, man. Maybe revenue structure wise like after a certain so what you just hit I love the term like brain dead mental gymnastics. That's hilarious Then you have and then it it limits down like a progressive taxation structure Where it like basically limits the amount that you can maintain Uh, your own intellectual property patents. What if you that's how you make a living? So they take your AP AP away and then all of a sudden your business goes bankrupt because everyone What do you mean? Why would your business go bankrupt? Your business potentially you're making money by creating Uh proprietary or you need content Okay So once you were like, hey, my business is doing great. I'm making 10 million dollars a year Then you lose I guess you stop making content and you find other ways to make money because that's not reliable anymore Thus killing all of that potential content This is the problem is asan is in peak lefties do this quite often. They view a movie bit movie Studio is just the top end this executives getting paid fucking buckets of cash What do you think about is they get profit from movies and they invest that profit into other movies which pays You know all the crew like everyone involved, right? So it's creating further jobs Um, so yeah, it just it's kind of absurd that like this pro worker person doesn't see that aspect of it And just sees the fat cat stuffing money into their pockets religion non-specified One they see the movie has to make twice its budget to break Or just uh, yeah twice its budget general rule at least at least twice its budget is a good general rule Because they only get a certain percentage from the actual theaters Of course, as you know, the marketing as I'm sure you are aware Uh, rough production budget usually but the thing is the at least the production budget part of that That's all the little people getting paid for the most part. Maybe take out 20 million for robert Yeah, that's the product. Yeah, the print. That's the budget for the production Which is all those those big names at the end of the movie all all those names that scroll by most of those are probably just production guys all the people in the cgi dungeon And all the grips and all of the camera this and all of the hair floofers and dress makers and wig shakers and uh Brain spritzers and all that stuff. That's all them. That's all the grunt work The biggest reason movie making is expensive is because especially for a union production Like a hollywood movie even if it's not being shot in hollywood is You have to pay everyone every single person A certain minimums that are actually very strictly controlled by the unions that operate around the entertainment industry And so a lot of that money is going to paying all of those people Who are like have had people fight for their Right to say hey, we're worth this much on a set now I personally am not thrilled about lots of those rules because I had trouble getting work as a cinematographer in toronto Because I wasn't union and I was like well How do I become part of the union and they're like you need union credits? And I was like, um, okay And yeah, then I joined the army for 10 years Socialism would change all did you have a were you in a union in the army? I'm technically the army. We will not shoot this mortar until our barracks Get sandwiches in them And we need new knee pads Well, you could maybe argue that the whole military is both the union and the employers for every soldier So, uh, kind of yes, but also it's like well, they can also send you to die at any given moment really so Okay, so I've got a question a super charts want to read. It's a little bit inappropriate, but it should be okay No, I'm trying to rally them Do you think they are concerned with little guys in the adult film industry? If so, do they pay for porn? When you said little guys in the film and I think meant like people with small penises They just mean the guy that's shooting the fucking shot that might get fucking jiu over them in the money shot Guys, that's the same. Um, now when you when you say shooting the fucking shot Are you like the money shot? If you're talking about production, I can say for sure. No, um, it's it's all non-union So just but the chud's question or at least the super chatter The further question on that would just be to the piracy, right? If you want to support people who make movies and why pirate in huh? What's that about but with the porn one a lot of people watch sites that have ads on them Well, I mean, I you know, I'm told that there's a website called porn hub from what I'm told. Yes. I've been And Is there apparently there is um, I don't know how bad it is now since they changed something because of the payment stuff But there's like pirated stuff on there apparently that isn't justified by the original actor I guess it would just be it's up to the production company to dmca it right like if you're on porn hub, you're not gonna know Uh, oh, oh, I better check to see if this is copyright or whatever Like that's up to the people to protect the copyright and if it's on porn hub and you watch it tough shit I don't know Yeah, some people are looking for a link so they can avoid it obviously just abandon You said it was just so yeah, just so, uh, I don't know go that you say it's porn hub p o r n a t b Yeah, put it in here blacklisted. Okay, you know websites never go there black Okay, let me add that to my bookmark blacklisted websites here Who's your ip? Okay. All right. Thank you. Does that make sense? Because it's it's still unique content creation, which means that start real guys Many things don't many things don't say shit like that right because oh guys He's just he's just cloud sharking it guys. I have a very pure vision of what of how the world works Okay, and here's how I here's how I see the world, okay? Okay, you're only simplistic cloud Cloud sharking is a stupid as an ideology Unless ideology i'm not scared of anybody. I've never been scared of calling anybody be about anybody But I could be they could steal my viewers. I don't get fucked man. These people have no substance They have nothing better to offer dude. I could sleep on fucking stream. It's better coming than 90% of these dumb fucks What if I'm like, I'm not spend by that I'm not insecure about it. What's like here? I think he's been captured by this idea that he's like talented and now he like believes it Like I could sleep and I'll get more viewers and a lot of these people Well, yeah, I think that's really good content view count translating to uh, you know talent slash value and Funnily enough like value transformers is the best movie because it makes lots of money And everyone watches it. It's like, whoa I maybe it's not talent. Maybe he's just like, yeah, well, they like me more. Fuck you Like that because he's like I could I could sleep and make more views than you guys may have gone to stream where Or whatever exactly he said, but he basically said I could be asleep, which by the way amaranth does I think she gets like 6k a night when she does sleep streams So What does that mean? Yes Yeah, and then you masturbate to her and then that's the content No, you just enjoy a little sleeping view. No, some people do that But there is another person called like kasey tron and others do this too This is absolutely shameless way more shameless than what she does But they will be asleep not on the stream anywhere and they're just broadcasting movies Oh, come on Okay, come on Fringy, you brought up a point about movie theaters And how movie theaters by this xqc Oh Well, again, it seems like it was more the other line of thinking right like could a movie theater say well Why would I need to pay any cuts of the to the movie studio? Me as a theater is providing the transformative experience of you watching it here with this audience on this big screen Yeah, so why should you know how far how far you would get anything? Yeah, we've we've transformed it Yeah, because we put your son transformed abolish ip Okay Abolish money It's just like that'll crash and burn Very soon after you abolish it like the whole system Yeah, and then you're and then you're why it's why I think that all these videos are insecure. This is all it's on security All that about about money in security cloud views appearances looks it's all out of insecurity I don't give a fuck how it looks. Well, how would it Opposite practice views analytics. I don't give a fuck about it. And I show No, he does right because earlier he was saying that he believes that the way that he does it is more ethical than the majority of people Who do react content? So that's not true Once there's enough pressure be it legally or socially he's gonna change too. He already did with the dark knight Once once it actually becomes significantly economically detrimental you'd stop Mm-hmm. That's kind of the other thing. It's like, well, dude I mean as much as it's not like well your opinion doesn't count because you're rich It's like well, dude, if you just got a hundred million dollar contract You can't say, uh, well, I don't care about this stuff. So why should anybody else With the same with her son, doesn't it, you know It's easy for you not to care because you don't rely on it to the same extent that somebody could Where they're like barely scraping by and like and and the reuploading of their content All the reaction could end up being a massive hit to like potential income Actions that have only talk that's why i'm offering anybody these dumbbells an argument or debate Oh mine is gonna get crushed. Yeah You will you'll certainly well on your old library content on your old library content You would still have like some you see that this is so much more complicated than it is 100% Yeah, I I did why why make things you agree that it's more complicated Okay, I think I know what he's doing. Has anyone here ever hung out with frat bros? Now the ones I've hung out with were can you see Yeah, it's a it's a genre of mail. Anyway, oh a genre of mail. Gotcha so Often if you're talking to someone about if you're talking generally to frat bro type dudes Or who like interacting socially the way those guys do And you start going full blown autism like I do sometimes They tend to say yeah, yeah, yeah and then kind of look for a way out. So I think they're repeated. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Isn't him agreeing. It's him saying. Yeah. Yeah, can we change the subject nerd? So it's not it's so what you're saying is it's a verbal trick I think it's a verbal trick. He's trying to use on ethan, which isn't working It's not working. Ethan is relentless. He's kneeling on him for the record. I could be wrong All right, I could be wrong Just saying that that's the impression I got Stand up. Well, I mean, I think this is still the way that it currently exists is still pretty complicated It's not that complicated. It's like I mean the only complication is complicated people people abuse dmca You know this already like people That's not complicated. There's people use it. That's not even even in the way even in the way that I have All right, check guys. I might I might finish this on kickchat. I'm gonna go with that check I'm over the shit. Okay. Um, what is this thing? If I destiny well, that's kind of part why I wanted to go to kick as well. Um, I want to have destiny stick on it But I don't know. Uh, also also also overwatch also this also everything. Wow 28 months Can I get a thunk shaker? I think it's where it moves over to the dmca structure moves over to kick Okay, but that's not my point is that the dmca other fan channels or even my channel sometimes They try to dmca meet with my content and they're abusing the dmca structure It's not it's not complicated. It's just that and you just need to sue someone to find actual result The law is pretty straightforward. I feel like you have to have well bad actors, uh, are always going to exist, which is The guy literally he said that I I was a thief and what I was doing was stealing live on air and I proved that it wasn't Like you didn't prove it. He didn't even if you put another crime In instead of instead of thief how bad the label would be Imagine imagine how damaging it could be somebody's image somebody's career and how damaging it could be Um for the future That's not something that you should be doing Why you need to have some regulations some laws around it, which is what i'm saying I I I agree with you on that Um, there's always going to be people that violate it Ultimately, if you want to understand why I have this opinion. Look, I grew up in turkey um, we do not have access to Uh movies when I was growing up that in a timely manner Oh, was he gonna do like the ethical piracy thing? Yeah, you can make you can make loads of that somehow related Ethical piracy arguments is loads of them. There's nothing to do with this conversation though Yeah, this is completely not relevant. It's just the video games when I was growing up in a timely manner In the only way I was able to enjoy all of these video games when I was growing up in turkey was Uh cracked video games was there's a massive black market Um that was readily available where you could go and purchase Why we would equate that when you're sharing the platform with the original video that's available Game in a brick-and-mortar retail store that exclusively sold Like pirated material basically pirated movies and pirated video games And the only way I had maybe is remember to documentary about I think it was brazil or portugals Or something like that. It had a massive network of uh, it had like an internal system of sharing music because Even if they wanted it or they wanted to buy it they couldn't buy it It wasn't it wasn't fucking available. It was a cuba But it was multiple of them. It was crazy and access to uh anything like the only way Is going on the difference in the rest of the world. Why would he be bringing up this argument when the video is in question? like youtube videos that are fairly accessible On the same platform like he said Why why bring this up? I don't know because asan thinks that this is I guess in his mind See like the law says x but you could ethically do y to get around law x So that sort of relates to some defense that I have for My ip or take I guess in his mind. He's just he's putting the two together so I know a bit about black market pc games in eastern europe in the early 90s and Why why hassan why are we there? Why is this happening? What is the reason why it's difficult to acquire news a black market substitute Uh cracked video games and game. Okay. Yo, yo, do you have any one more time stamp of him cooking? I don't want to react to the whole thing. Yeah, I don't want to do that. It's not One thing is it's not transformative. Whatever they're getting involved. That's what that I it's not It's not transformative. He thinks that this isn't transformative I think it mostly is he's doing okay Yeah, I'm too far worse I don't want to react to the whole thing. Meanwhile back to the dark night everybody It's not transformative. Oh wait, hold up. Oh, it's only this part all this is all bullshit fucking politics. Oh, which other in pirated movies, so Sounds like they figured it out for themselves over there in turkey Yeah, because it was not there. There was no way that you could access it and I still don't see the solution of making everything ip-less Yeah, connect us back is on please Of the cold war ends. I mean, I guess we'll be able to react to each other's videos again. Yay So my point was but that's a violation of ip that's like heavily illegal and good for and I mean I'm not saying that they shouldn't do that. I mean Whatever, you know, I mean do what you gotta do So you're you're you're fine laws to protect your fucking Okay, okay, so we're we're not that far off from one another on this issue Then I'm not saying that you perky. You should fucking have your hands cut off or something No, I mean first of all, there's no hand cutting in turkey. I know I'm just I'm just my my point was that Okay, so you and I are in agreement on this then because It's more of a wink at an odd where it's like hey listen, you know, sometimes you're gonna steal some movies Sometimes you're gonna steal some movies Sometimes you're gonna have to steal some videos. Is that what he means? It yeah, is that the logical like It really feels like we're trying to wedge it in when this is an entirely different scenario You have no access to it other than piracy. They have full piracy in this case becomes ethical That was the scenario. We gave how the hell is that related to this at all? Excuse me reuploads one of my videos and just sits there watching I should have the right to sue him Yeah Well, there you go. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about something else Do you think that? Yeah, if you well Regardless of my own personal belief I think that there y'all has on it has on is to be very careful about this, right? He needs to be super careful Why and after he gets well to be fair actually probably because I remember this pot he talks about how That means a bunch of people could sue Hassan. It's like that's true This right if it says yes to that then if he gets 10 lawsuits the next day But everybody he made he made content about that resembles what I did He has absolutely no argument and he cannot back away from this. This is a this is a um This is a lock in position and if he does that then there's nothing you can get that point to back whip in that position Wow a student observation I mean It's kind of funny because he's highlighting why strategically speaking. It's not good to admit that this is a bad thing Which I hope isn't the reason the clay. Yeah. Yeah, like You hope that's not why xqc sort of avoids admitting it too. There's like, well, yeah I can get a trouble seeing that Or put the potentials of your cup get the devil that there's still there needs to still be some limitations to what you can and can't do Because there's going to be bad faith abusers of that See a bad faith abuser I think xqc is uh working within the bounds of of A lack of regulation around this sort of thing, but it's never it's not going to be regulated That's that that's the I mean it is but you again you need to be sued. There's no mechanism Perspective on it. His perspective on it is like as long as nobody comes after me Why the fuck would I stop which I kind of understand because that's how I approach like IP from like master chef for example, you know what I mean like big television productions of of shows that You're either dead right Like he's already annoyed. I have to deal with this too anymore Why stop doing that? Okay. I think I think I'm doing it Okay, I think I wonder if uh, Ethan is typically like this with Hassan on the show because it seems like here He's really lost patience with him. I think he's the way he talks his body language It's like I've had enough of you dude like it's kind of what's been mentioned The he's got a history with the whole IP stuff and so seeing this so brazenly done by xqc is driving him nuts But at the same time, I don't know if he realizes how much Hassan is like On very good terms with xqc and so that creates chaos Okay, right I think what what I'm currently doing or currently doing. I don't think there's any evidence of that that you could bring up right uh currently They could sue you and they would and they would be right to sue you. I think they would be in the right I I think so. I see what Hassan should be saying Wait, I thought I thought Hassan's point is like no because I believe that the way that the system should work Is that we don't have like IP laws as they are that people can freely disseminate and share this Material unless Hassan is saying by law they could do it But I don't consider that a good thing or ethical like that's that's not good It seems like Ethan is saying no, I it seems like Ethan is appealing to like morals. He said yeah, he's using should They should sue you Drop the lawsuit. He just he just got the locked in position right there Yeah, I don't But ultimately I think that's like kind of That kind of structure is kind of ridiculous. For example, um, here's why when like As twitch streamers when we're watching stuff or when we're reacting to things like we quite literally get paid by Uh, either Hollywood studios to react to certain things or Or even sometimes react to entire uh videos, right like entire the conversation doesn't pertain to when it's licensed Though, yeah, exactly. It's licensed. That's right. Exactly. So why is he even bringing that up? He's trying to He's trying to Hoping that Ethan will change the subject and he can score him out of it without saying anything at all international IP restrictions when you do that there's a Uh, there is a a a tremendous. I don't like the fact that they're using a law whenever they want to Using morality when they want to and there's no clear you use neither It seems like they just pick and choose when to use what for what argument and there's no consistency Which is I think the most appalling part of all these conversations Is that they say that something is either immoral or legal based on who's doing it What's being done to and the timing and I think that's I mean, there's a lot of arguments coming from a lot of people Where a lot of things I I guess I agree with him. It is annoying when it all gets mixed up This is anyways really tremendous amount of limitation on what you can watch You have to geo lock your content for example if you are Watching anime like you you might do like a country roll spot Where country roll will be like we're going to give you money to watch an entire episode of anime when you do that You have to geo lock Where your content can be watched you have to abide by certain sets of restrictions and I feel like With respect to larger budget productions like that the reason why I'm mentioning the ad Component here is because like obviously multi-million dollar corporations and billion dollar corporations see value and You know someone like a twitch streamer reacting to their on that. This is all so curated Yeah, it's so curated and it comes with all of these restrictions and strings attached and these stipulations It's not just yeah, everyone just watch your stuff for free. Do it. Fuck it. What's the dark night? What's the anime do it just stream it to your tens of thousands of whatever viewers they don't do that It always comes with stipulations Because they don't actually think that that's a good thing to just let people watch all that stuff I'm sure corporations would love to have Like a big famous streamer watch their stuff without critiquing it or giving you know saying it's bad You know, it is kind of a celebrity endorsement. So I'm sure those kind of stipulations are in there It would much rather have assages that they're dumb and happy and smiling about how great their movie is And mawler ripping it to shreds. Well, yeah, there's you know, there's a like a non-dispatchment clause whenever I show some shitty mobile game Yeah, exactly exactly. Please don't say anything harsh about the game. You know just you know Basically stealing money on this product don't disparage it. Yeah, right Because there is value to it. It is uh, you're marketing this material to a broader audience. Um, they don't see it as a market substitute They see it as a good thing But also on top of that even when you're doing you assuming they see it as a good thing Why would they give money? If it wasn't a good thing, oh, no, sir. Sometimes I'll do it to promote a show But in the case of like master chef, I don't believe nobody's ever reached out to me like you're good to go Yeah, no no Well, but like if crunchy rolls like yeah, we want to pay you to watch this new show I'm just using that as an example. I'm using like one of the yeah And it feels like they try and wedge it in they'll be like this this happened at some point Therefore it was beneficial to them therefore I could be able to do it with everything, right? Yeah, we should be able to steal just steal content and watch it to our hearts content I mean I mean consequences be damned what that'll do to you know the create you know Creative incentive that companies and you know studios have to make stuff that people can just take it To show you that like yes, I think there is A conversation that could be had about the value of like watching something live There of course there's that there is no doubt about value the value is under is The value is a miss on a student now. It's not only is it misunderstood It's it's been underplayed and underused and it's backing up the entire media fucking It's backing up everything Okay, if companies were more understanding and they were they were more Adventurous with it and smarter we would be sitting in a spot right now. That's fucking insane. You have no idea what that Yeah, we it would be insane it would be nuts How much less we have and how less willing people would be to create things if we lived in a world where everyone could just Just broadcast it freely This is all about the whole social aspect the community coming together people like enjoying it that that aspect of the value But I find it's so interesting because it seems to me that that can be repeated and recreated Not only by like ai and bots and stuff, but also just the next person who has a lot of people Like it also all you need is just a lot of people to congregate There's nothing to do with like xqc particularly or anyone else as we've already gone over sometimes his chat feel he gets in the way So at that point if we freed up ip wouldn't it just shake out that all of the corporations would run Stuff like twitch plays pokemon or twitch watches pokemon or twitch watches power rangers where there is no host It's just chat and the content Yeah, and that would dominate don't all these guys follow like viral trending content Isn't that really what people are there for So yeah, um to experience it with along with people to meme with them and to emote with them But of course who's it benefiting right now? It's individuals who have hosts of these streams Like xqc, but as soon as qvc stops Doing viral trending content Like they would move on to the guy who is doing viral trending content, right? Not necessarily if they really want to stay to watch and play overwatch Which as far as I know he built his audience that way you can build your audience in all kinds of ways, right? But there's something that universally seems to be enjoyed by sort of YouTube audiences twitch audiences, which is watching videos. That's pretty reliable, right? I honestly feel like that could actually that could work pretty well Like imagine there was a channel that was just showing buffy all day and then at 8 p.m. Every night there was an actor or like joss weedon would come on and answer some super chats It's it's something they've toyed with Could end up happening and like I said if we did the ip abolishment like Hassan suggested we could have companies that are tailor made to create these sort of Curator streams and it would probably kill a lot of the individuals that are trying to get to the top because now We can like recreate the experience with no cost of a host But it's funny because some of these digital rights management companies are trying to strike deal like licensing deals So like let's say, you know, someone wants to watch your football match This digital rights management company wants to make it easier for a streamer to get that licensing deal so they can watch it on their stream You know, so I think I think streaming and reacting like we're getting to something where it's like it is the kind of future in some way So probably we would like to consume content that way So if there's easy licensing deals to be had then everyone can win, you know streamers can just react without saying anything The company making the content gets paid. Do you see what I mean? I think that's a completely different model though Obviously and and just to address a game thing. I I think there is a tangible distinction between Building a channel on gaming and building a channel on just watching content because there is some kind of skill level It goes on when you're playing the game. I don't know that qvc could just watch Random youtube videos But boring videos videos that nobody else is watching Well, yeah, but the he considers part of his input the careful selection He knows which ones work and which ones don't I mean anyone can go to the trending tab. It's not that difficult Is he even really even curating the content? I don't feel like he is like the reason this video Is he watched it was because he knew it was going to be big. It was trending That's the video that got him in trouble You wanted to watch the video that everybody else was watching hassan was watching he was watching Like as soon as he stops doing that as soon as he says no, look, i'm just going to watch whatever He's no longer the the popular guy Okay, this is true though. He's going to get views regardless Maybe for gaming but not for watching videos like it's a completely different thing You can just do whatever he wants. He doesn't have to do anything on stream He could just come on and talk about his personal dramas and strife some people Yeah, you'd still get high engagement. That's true Okay, so you think he could just watch boring content. Um, and It would have we'd have different results There would be people who get bored in the audience and maybe try something else for the day See what else is going on So like the how much of the his how many people say look everyone's watching this watch this now And if he says no, I'm not going to watch this Do you think his his viewers go down or you think they stick around? No, I'm going to watch this boring thing that nobody else is watching So I think I understand what you're getting at. So for me, for example, I've got a core base of about 300 viewers Roughly whatever I'm watching people all tune in and from there it will fluctuate up and down You know dependent on if I'm covering some really big juicy drama It might reach 500 600 viewers, right? And then if it's less interesting, maybe 400 500 whatever, right? But the thing is with xqc is it's such a high level and it's got such a big audience That even if you watched a boring video the drop-off in his audience Would not be tangible enough for that to be a concern for him. I don't think And actually he is correct in that a lot of his audience turn up because the audience is there Yes You know So much boring content Well, but that's the that's the key So his like top level plays on overwatch are pretty engaging for his audience and also the best videos on youtube are pretty engaging Of course. That's my whole point Yeah, I mean watching the watching the good videos is what you saw from the tweets He wants to do it for his community. He considers it like I would love to do I would love to do a peer reviewed study where we have one qvc watch c-span for a month and see where he's at and one see And and one qvc watch all the viral content that everyone else is watching and see where they're at I I would be willing to bet that the c-span watcher is going to be super unpopular I mean Yes Obviously if you if you you know pigeon hold yourself into one particular slim line of content Which is you know, you're probably gonna have an impact on viewership because that's so different what he normally does Look that's an extreme example, isn't it? He built his platform doing this though You if it was platform gaming Todd will you do this experiment for us? Will you watch c-span for a month and see how your platform fares? Just so we can have first of all, I think I think very well Okay, because I'm very clever on my political takes but secondly The second oh, so you're saying you could do it. Look that sounds like a challenge No, I couldn't do it. It would fuck me over too much I you know, obviously rely on this for an income, but then you and I uh, you know I mean, I don't know but you know I'm a smaller creator Okay, so I do need to pick better topics as best as possible to make sure More viral topics the topics everyone else is talking about you know how it is. Yeah, but he has his take on him and be He wouldn't even be the person he is without stealing content. So I think that though it's it's two kind of different things because you were saying about he built his career on this one He built his career gaming I don't think xqc would lose anything if he just went back to going full-time gaming and just never doing react streams ever However, if he was just still doing react streams, but to really boring content I think there would be no effect after a week And then you'd start seeing some attrition over time and eventually yes That streams boring stuff Yes, totally. They'd be like this chud Totally different story if he's just like, yeah, I'm gonna stream half as much But I'm only gonna stream it was a minecraft was what he was big with or league. I don't know. What was this thing? I was overwatch wasn't but the problem I've got is I think you're thinking about xqc Kind of maximizing for viewership and stuff like that. And I just don't really think it seems to say correctly I just don't think he's conceiving it is what do I need to do to maximize viewership Whereas at a smaller level I do need to think about that because you know a slip on viewers could potentially mean I don't You know long term Well, hold on my only point is that you have to like he doesn't get to that point where he doesn't have to think about it Unless he is thinking about it when he's at your level That's my point Yeah, but I mean it would be it take an insane series of events for xqc to be a 500 400 viewer streamer or whatever, right? Sure But I mean, I don't know why why is this even a controversy if he can just do gaming streams I see even doing this because he wants to do it because he wants to do it with his audience So I can't we keep looping around to the same point. He wants to and fuck you Yeah, pretty much. That's exactly it. Yes I Yeah, it is a future everything. Hey, I want you to do this the video the entire gaming industry Especially something you wouldn't normally be watching like you wouldn't normally sit down and watch a fucking episode of uh, you know Ever since the talk everything people understand now that the social aspect of things is massive social aspects Of of content. I don't know how massive the social aspect is of watching Of someone stealing content on twitch, you know, like is it there? Yeah, sure. It's there, but it's a call it massive I think we're I think we're coping pretty hard I think the difference between watching something on stream on twitch with someone with with a with a chat You know and watching it by yourself on youtube, but you know, you know the original I do not think there's a massive difference between those two things at all I think there is from where he's sitting Oh, yeah, he he requires it like the entire crux of his justification comes down to it being a massive thing Um, he needs it to be he requires it But it's a viewer if you're watching a video by yourself in your room You're watching a video by yourself in your room if you're in chat You're watching it with 50 000 other people and you interact with these people constantly But there's a tangible difference in one's head about that What and that's all right. So I said there was a difference. I don't think there's a massive difference Did you watch streams though like this like if you don't watch them Then you're probably not going to see the difference in a significant way But then if you do watch it, you're probably going to think I don't want to watch a youtube video by myself That's boring. I'd rather watch it with my favorite streamer and all the other people that we hang out with eight hours a day Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a massive difference Okay, I think there's a difference. I think there's a tangible difference. I said that they're okay I'll say it a third time there is a difference But to say it is a massive difference Maybe we're operating on maybe we've all forgotten what the word massive means Or we're just coping really hard Well, no, it's just you're not going to see the difference significantly because you don't engage in that kind of content, right? Like some people like to go and play golf I don't know. Do you play golf? No Okay I'm pretty darn good at putt putt though Okay I always say what's the difference between walking around and playing golf is the same thing basically But there's someone that plays golf. They're gonna be like, no, that's a horrific analogy. That's terrible I'd say I'd say it's a qualitative difference. I don't know how you're what massive means. So I think extremely big But the point I'm making is if you engage in the activity, you're gonna see a bigger difference than someone that isn't engaged in the activity I'm gonna see a chat scrolling by that's faster than I can even It doesn't matter how much I explain it to you because you're in a different fucking headspace thinking about this, right? So this is a pointless disagreement. We're never gonna fucking come come to agreement on I think I think both your sides and I think what regs is Yeah, I mean or let me know if I'm cathe numing you regs But I think what he's saying is that functionally the the person is doing effectively the same thing And that I guess you could argue is the objective aspect But the subjective aspect is that chat might mean way more to that person than the video they're even watching It's the same argument that retarded mums make when they go. Oh, why are you watching someone playing video games? You can just do that yourself, but obviously That's literally an interactive thing though Yes I was watching a video an interactive thing But the point is if you're playing a video game the idea of watching someone play a video game is even more absurd If you're saying that playing a video game is interactive No, they'd be two different things I was like watching someone playing a game and playing a game There's even more difference between those two things than me watching a video on youtube or me Watching a streamer, but what I'm saying is essentially isn't saying anything watch that video Maybe okay, but from the perspective of a retarded mother They don't that they they think it's absurd that you would watch someone play a video game when you can just do that activity Yourself like why would you bother doing that? But we both disagree with the mother here, so Maybe there's some wrong angle Really doesn't understand when it's the game the kid has because like wait You're sitting in here watching someone play this game that you could fire up your playstation and play right now What are you what are you doing? I just there there is a qualitative difference between going to the movies alone and going to the movies with a friend I just like it's so easy And I think yeah, I know there's a very different experience. Well, I even think that I think that is even way more than a bunch of random anonymous people in the chat going To the people they know each other know each other. Yes in the chat They know each other and also for some of them that might be the closest thing they have to a friend group or a support network Yes, of course I did say it's like a bit it feels a bit dystopian like retarded person on the internet Who's at filthy rich and think oh look I'm I could be rich I'm retarded too. Well, especially if they you know, you spam the right things or press the right buttons at different times And it actually changes what's on screen, right? People feel Uh a connection and are we at like an all-time high for loneliness or whatever in the world? Yes, totally. Yeah. Well, I think like especially following covid a lot of people have been like holed up There's a huge demand on youtube for not just somebody's content, but like being a part of a group dynamic We are like you're you're interacting with chat and you're typing things that other chat members and the host can see And they could potentially respond to you and interact with you. It's almost like being in the room with them Like sorry, there's a huge demand for that. I think So this is a symptom of a broader societal issue Is it right? No, look, I don't I don't necessarily like the All the lonely people in the world. I think it's just fun. Even if you have friends in your life, so It's it's just a different experience Oh, well, I guess the yeah, see I mean I I'm sure you have friends in your life and you're doing it and you understand that it's fun So I mean, I don't I have probably watched hundreds of hours of both e-fap and yes Over the past I'd say that's that's safe to say and I'm yeah, I have a wife I never talk about in two puppies, but What I mean though is I think that Just because I can do both just because I I have real world support networks and real world people who love me and real world friends That that doesn't mean it's not a contest calm down No, can I say that most of us probably do in this context? But anyway, the point is there might be someone in my audience who doesn't and I like I think that it's at least It's at least proper for me to I don't know I think I at least assume that they've got a solid perspective, you know, look, I would like to know What the percentage is of people in the chat or watching these videos that have zero friends to their name I would People sometimes talk about it being like 80 90 percent. I would put an estimate more like 10 percent Maybe five percent. It seems like people enjoy this activity Uh aside from hanging out with friends in the real world. Yeah, I didn't mean to give the wrong impression I don't I don't have any problem with people enjoying it. I enjoy it. I'm just saying that um, that could be an explanation for why people consider it To use the word a massive difference. There could be plenty of people out there who would be like I can't fucking watch anything without You know a community around it at this point because I don't want to go back to just being on my own watching things Then maybe people out there who feel that way. I don't know people people like to people watch And this is like people watching people are gonna start fucking topping themselves If you're not careful, we need to tone it we need to turn it back up a bit, you know, but bring the energy back new The What was that? Are you saying our stream's getting suicidal bring up the sea exactly what I'm saying I think that It's regular exposure to x2c could make someone suicidal. I can I can see that. Okay true Imagine burning two years of high school and lockdown though, man, that would probably have turned me into a different person Probably important and the react watch parties Is quite literally the best combination of content and social aspects together and it forms a super I'm gonna be honest with you. Can't think of anyone better Going there's there are many movies if I'm gonna be watching them and you said we can pop on a chat if you want to be like I'm all right. Thanks I just I just couldn't care fucking less about what a chat. Thanks. When you go to see op and hybrid It's like would you like xqc's chat? Oh my god This is boring. What is there going to be an action scene? boo Massive it's like exodia of contents It's out of anime or whatever it is. Yeah. Well, it's not just anime The entire girl with the entire video game the entire gaming industry relies on Uh, let's play as a as a way to market their product rely is a Strong word to use it seems that there are It it's yeah It's utilized as a well Well, it's just what is the implication the video game industry has obviously grown tremendously But I mean over the last, you know 20 years, but the video game industry still had massive best sellers It's an absolute juggernaut whether or not let's plays are happening Well, I think it just stems from video games as a medium like video games as a medium have a lot of value Uh, it's really really really appealing So and so then the question would be well to let's plays benefit or detriment Uh The gaming world is it's I feel like it's really hard to say one way or the other Maybe it's beneficial. Maybe it's detrimental. Maybe it would make no difference and it would level out Yeah, I don't know the idea the video game industry relies on let's plays I don't know. I don't know that it doesn't rely on it. It's beneficial It probably helps increase sales But remember all these companies have got massive marketing budgets and some of these marketing, but sorry go on Oh, well, so something that I would throw in there the conversation is that I think live service games probably benefit a lot from this Yes, because live service games rely on the sense of community And if you can have these big prominent, you know, let's plays who Help further sort of make it feel like a community That probably does have some benefits for things like call of duty war zone or fortnight or the like but as for like single player Games like especially single player cinematic, you know games I don't know if it was like as a little bit harder to say whether they benefit But just by broaching into the area of games is you have to accept this difference that in order to get the full Experience of the game you're watching You have to buy it and play it for yourself It is not a movie that you could get the full experience by watching on a stream in in its totality and you just That's um, that's why battle royale has been so successful because each game is a little adventure in itself You watch it on a stream and you're like holy shit. That's so cool And then you go and get it yourself, right apex legends was promoted primarily through streaming. I believe it was like a soft launch I think that speaks to the point right is that viewing a video game and playing a video game a two different experiences watching the lemono video and watching the lemono video through xqc It's probably also a big part of the reason why people watch streams or content of games that they have played Or are currently interested in because oh, I've interacted with this. I can relate to it I understand the things he's talking about and I can actually use this later myself I could also give the streamer pointers and then he might be like, hey, thanks for the tip Or you'll ban you for vaccine. You'll ban you is what no will happen. Yeah Which is why I'm not saying then there are symbiotic relationships. Yeah, I'm not saying that which is why for example Video games could be subject to the same kind of dmca restrictions that That any kind of content that you consume online could be subject to I could I would take it even once the further um Things that you show Oh, yeah He's looking for when he gets cooked 30 million dollars to play fucking um Steak or whatever a hundred million dollars to play steak. I mean that's like well, he's not I don't know if he's playing steak Like the time at all that was so good it could be like a tv show, you know All right, I mean I don't think I don't think he's gambled or maybe I don't know I don't watch cake Why is he so why is so mad so he you do or you don't know Bro, you you just said that I I've been streaming I've been streaming stick bro. What is wrong with this guy? So you don't what is wrong with this guy? I don't think I don't think he's gambled or maybe I don't know I don't watch cake. Why don't people watch this like genuinely? Let me watch this now. That's it. Why man can't get mad. There's another question either people say why does even continue to say things that are verifiably untrue and can be verified Not only on the fly which part real it can be very in your real time Literally he can he googles the dumbest fucking videos of me. Like you just google them They're your videos. They're the ones you uploaded. These are yours. I'm not sure exactly Any kind you just say actually steak on any you be proven wrong Why oh you don't know the gambling stuff Maybe no, I oh, I guess maybe but is that dumb stuff? I I mean either way He's referring to his content and calling it the dumbest stuff Muddy the waters with a faucet on a recorded On a recorded life segment like this is what you could have edited this out like any any posted deliberately What is stupid fucking to do say that about what did he say that was wrong? I got so I don't know what's happening anymore I don't yeah. I don't know what let's move to the next point wrong. I guess sure. Yeah, they say that about me all Nobody's not saying anything, but it but it doesn't matter. Some people like it It doesn't matter some people it doesn't matter if he's not saying anything some people like it when he plays other people's content So I there you go. Fuck it. I mean we did we did establish this a while back It's true. A lot of his chat like it when he doesn't speak Yep Content on his platform Meaning they like the video Yeah, of course He's a human curated the average gamer a group picture to make it seem like he has friends A picture in Paris to make it seem like it's cultured I just want wait pause for a second. You know what's funny What all of these videos are kind of fired to react to like I'm watching this and I'm like damn I should react to this video They some shit Say some good true say some shit and you're good Yeah, and we dig that shit up dude and a And people a you know chat you chat they hate me saying this and then they're gonna hate forever Okay, a lot of these content niches and small little things that we found it It was chat and me together finding that shit and we were first at the fucking pot on More than and I get a chat. I'm not a hero for discovering some of the cool reaction. I think it has value I So he's saying He's he he in his chat were the ones that discovered The good react videos to take basically And that yeah, obviously, right. I'm pretty sure that's just a lie. It's a lie I was gonna say it's embarrassing that he's like he's like trying to be humble like hey, you know Yes, it was I that found this first, you know the concept of watching other people's videos are not saying shit all I think I think I guess he's referring to like oh, there's a specific type of content that I've watched good videos Yeah, like a good little source of videos like a little gold minor videos to react to Um, I mean again if he was like actually transforming us. I mean Whatever but like he's just often sat there not really saying anything and this is again Going back a long time that he's been putting this stuff onto youtube I just am amazed that he's taking pride in the fact that he just he sorts by good videos That's all it is just videos that are engaged with of course obviously good job Well, was he taking was he taking credit by virtue of the fact that maybe someone in his chat said Hey, this would be a really good video for you to watch and that Found it as opposed to just going to the trending page Um, well, it wouldn't matter either way, right? All the concept is it's just videos that people enjoy There are billions of easy ways to find that out the the stopping point for most people is they don't want to fucking steal them But he's like taking pride in the fact that he just would it's like good for you I found out you could just steal as though there aren't better ways of doing curation That don't involve the consumption of the entire product Like I mean, I mean just like the you know like the front I don't use reddit this front page of reddit Is that like that's almost you could say that it's like a curation and then of itself Like I said countless ways to be to find all the best videos And of course like they know Lemino by name now because they'll just do it with every single video he puts out every new one That's reliable too. It's like oh, yes. Just like with jcs, right? jcs is another reliable one Finding that shit and we're first at the fucking pot on More than and I get it. I'm not a hero for discovering some of the cool reaction You're not a hero for any of you I think there's everybody does react shit and I think it's kind of cool to find new shit That would be more Videos you're reacting to There wouldn't be any videos. There wouldn't be any more videos being made for you to react Incentive to make them if everybody can just instantly, yeah monetize their own reactions You need to be emphasized more like if if if this is incentivized as the way that it's done There is no more react content because there's nothing to react to It could only persist so long as there are people who Seemingly take on like the possibility of having months and months and months of their work Just get immediately absorbed up by some other creator So Dave L in the e-fab chat says chat finds the videos formed to watch and he lets them do the research So I I think maybe what he's saying is yeah My chat finds the best videos So it's good that i'm doing this because once I react to something That's hilarious Trump say that my chat finds the best videos. I have the best chat the best content We have the best reactions Okay, listen, let me throw you a comment from my chat. Okay. Just do it. It's very constitutional How are the drags doing? Jacob B asks Can you ask them if he gets permission from the creator to post to youtube it makes it all okay? Um, yeah, I I think that once you've gotten permission it clears up a hell of a lot of the stealing angle Of course, but at the same time Why not actually make something instead of just taking it off people even if they can see like yeah fine. Just do it I guess Wouldn't it be better if you have the original creation exist as it is as the complete work And then you have somebody who's created something that is like beyond just the same thing But with maybe five ten minutes of additional commentary like that. It's a new piece of you know almost a new piece of thing uh content in and of itself Permission changes everything for me If he gets permission he can just upload the video Yeah, I mean it's essentially the moral It's I mean it has to do with the fundamental idea that the person who's created it has some right to uh Dick's house distributed or copied we wouldn't be here if not for People just failing to do basic credit or failing to get permission beforehand if you want to just fully re-upload You wouldn't need to do any of these things by the way if you just transformed it Mm-hmm. Well, no if you transform and then you you get past all of this This is fake transformation though. That's where he's hiding In fact, you know what I don't think as an insult I don't get what everybody will copy it because it's meant to be shared It's the same argument about react as a whole. It's meant to be shared It's meant for more people to do it the whole ecosystem grows He acts like these videos just like grow on trees. They just appear out in the wilderness And I look I find them and I put them in my basket Well, you can just pirate music right because music's meant to be shared. It's meant to be listen to I wonder how much of it stems from a lack of understanding of the amount of work that goes into these things that you almost perceived as being as huge I think that's not difficult, you know or not time consuming Well, we've seen that and you know even unfortunately in parts of our own audience But it is a thing that is out there and the internet that I think a lot of people just flat out do not understand They do not get how much work goes into Like like the limino video about the you know JFK assassination I can't fathom the amount of work and effort that went into not just compiling all of the stuff It just the data compilation in and of itself is a job But then there's the putting that into a video then there's the graphics and all that stuff like I I can't imagine Well, I don't think it's any surprise that limino's videos only come out like once a year Those videos probably take a year to make a year to make. Yeah Because of course you can look at your own stream be like, well, yeah I mean, what's the problem with people like it takes as long to create as it takes for me to you know It takes as long to consume as it took for me to create And there'll always be like new stuff that's replacing it that's brand new that's still going to be on the forefront on your channel Um, I don't know. I wonder how much that factors into it I mean, I think we've got Um, how many vx uh, the uh, it's a short fuck off with a short Um, yeah, I thought I was gonna give an answer here, but All right, carry on. I was looking up how many vfx artists works on worked on like end game in total We're talking like thousands. Yeah, yeah Maybe tens of thousands genuinely because avengers it says that 14 000 vfx artists worked on the movies up at climax for this And that's just the climax that's just the ending not including all of the vfx over the prior years I mean that film took like four or five years to make Like from pre-production all the way to when it gets complete like it takes a long time I mean an episode of like an episode of of like, uh, an animated television show You know people think it's like well, I mean you get like, you know 10 to 20 episodes a season But I mean each of those individual episodes has worked on for months It takes a long time to make this stuff. It just does Now Yeah, I don't I don't know the source for this it's it's out like yeah, that's one week Yeah, this is from bollywoodlife.com. So who knows if it's true, but this says it's getting the source from a At trivia in cinema blend So I have no idea if that's real or not. I have no fucking clue, but There's a lot. I mean just sitting in the credits through those movies And seeing all the effects artists and stuff like all those names I mean youtube videos are basically though scaled down Uh, except they worked on the script more, uh, but see, uh, yeah, just just imagine a lot of work This the tides rise all ships to up or some shit. Whatever that is Okay, give matches on training apps like I feel like that's nailed that would be like an eight hour video for me I would watch this fucking 10 minute video and lose my mind probably Make sure climbing mountains to make it seem like he's a venture After some hard work the profile is ready The woman doesn't feel safe sharing a lot of 30 seconds So she chooses not a single comment or introductory statement. Okay. Okay, then. Okay, then. I get you're like 90 years old Okay, you haven't been into a school or anything in the longest time. Okay Let's put you in the classroom with a teacher and let's let's make the teacher teach you about algorithms and if he talks And after 40 seconds, you haven't interrupted them or paused him for a question. You're a fucking idiot, dude What the fuck if you don't interrupt your teacher in a school, then you're an idiot What is happening playing someone's video? How How stupid is this guy like XTC is actually retarded teaches. They're they're paid to teach you You well, no you need to interrupt it to make sure that that class is fair use You have to transform the teacher's content with your fucking with your commentary You are the What are we what have we done what? Getting you facts you have to stop him. Stop it What no a teacher can go for fucking long as they want. What are you talking about? It's the same thing at all And the sad part is that he's gonna say all this and there are a lot of people in this chat going wow This is a profoundly good analogy and it makes everything so simple and clear XQC is very intelligent and that's why I watch him stealing content a closer analogy would be the teacher just pawing through a power point and not saying a word Because the teacher would be the streamer and the lesson would be the content and the teacher is paid to comment on the content And relay it to the audience being the class right I'm looking I'm looking for the fucking stats bro. What is well this guy or anything you can find no words from him frankly And she's ready to go They start swiping and hope for the best 45 seconds At the end of the day 50 seconds her light counter is full practically every profile she likes is an instant match Soon she's going yeah, but he's just all saying yeah, when will it happen? I wonder when we should have taken bets For the man, it's a difference. Is he even watching the video? Is he just like looking at a fucking black one of these cat things? Okay, this guy's perfect. I can't do a chat chat. I can't do it. I can't do it I mean, you're not saying anything my dude a fair question. You're not fucking saying anything or engaging with the content Are you doing something else over there? Are you looking at porn? What's going on? Hello, xqc. Are you there? This guy is that he's just trolling He's just that's fucking dumb, isn't he? You know what chat I defended him earlier chance that he's not doing deliberately at this point This is just so stupid. It has to be deliberate It has to be Nobody is that fucking dumb. I refuse you are But you still to avoid avoid talking about why you're not saying anything. Don't talk about that I'm being told. Oh, sorry. There's another criticism. I want to throw you away. Okay. I'm just going to pull criticism in my chat because uh Oh my goodness. Yes. Give it to me. Yummy. I mean so a little math says Do you think efap people are responding so much because they have something interesting to say or because they feel the needs to react Feel well, you see the thing is those those two kind of go hand in hand, right? If we feel like we have something to say that will manifest in us reacting to a topic that we're interested in I mean, yeah, like you can't hurt no matter what and you try to not simply repeat a point or to Drone on about something that doesn't make any sense Like you don't just throw in something for no reason you try and have something that's relevant And that's what we try to do and it has the added bonus of transforming Which is something that we consider to be super important when you're trying to take someone else's thing What about you chud what do you do? Uh, I mean I sometimes get the you know, you're pausing it, but I just immediately ban people that sound pausing too much You're creating xqc refugees Yes, I can I can see someone said there's nothing to engage with in the content yet I'm assuming you're talking about the why uh the xqc video that he's watching You could already talk about the art style. You can already talk about why would you have set up the comparison this way with the male and female People on tinder or whatever this is You know about why why you believe that the case is that men have less luck than women on on dating sites You do all this is what hasan meant by the way when he said this looks like fire to react to He said he would turn it into like several hours worth because he has loads of opinions on why this is the case himself You can transform it if you can't fuck off I can easily see an opportunity to spend 30 minutes talking about why women deserve nothing. Yeah, there you go How insanely um based and probably correct Criticism is the best way to respond to a video though. Obviously if you don't have criticism, there's really not a lot to say There does get to be a level of commentary that's like, oh, you're just patting, you know, you don't really have anything to say You're just sort of like, oh, wow, that's really interesting. You know the sniper wolf kind of thing Yeah, uh, but yeah videos that you disagree with are Generally probably going to be the most interesting and engaging Mauler you're getting called a pussy to put it simply. Um, not my opinion But you're saying why didn't mauler have this energy last night when you were in the call with xqc? um, I compared xqc To big joll when he was debating destiny and I said that I did have uh, I got every issue out that I wanted with him And I concluded that he's got an entirely different position morally that I can't do anything with He wants a world where ip is essentially abolished that everyone reacts to everything Like, okay, he built all my bullets all the ones that I had to give him. He was like, yep, I would do that Yep, I would do that. I was just like what the fuck when abbas said he would be okay with me uploading his full Fucking channel into my channel that he just said yes. I was like What do I do now? That's not true. Well, that's what I'm saying. There's nothing I could really do at that point If you did that the amount of copium that abba was huffing was uh, potentially lethal Wait, so was it didn't call him stupid once Or aliyah, I didn't call him stupid or aliyah just now I did he's stupid But to be fair, I'm pretty sure me and xcc would have traded some insults Mine would have been more subtle more than likely Like comparing him to big joll, which is not a compliment They wanted you to corner a stupid retard or something Well, yeah, I mean I try to do that with anybody I'm talking to in a fucking conversation Like, you know, I wouldn't call chud a stupid retard while he's here There's a we'll give him a little bit of a little bit of you know, graciousness for him coming onto the stream But uh, my opinion of him is uh, practically subterranean And and there won't be any confusing that Why don't people always have trouble with this? I'm always nicer to people when I'm talking to them directly as opposed to in their videos. That's just normal And they can pretend that they don't do that themselves, but um, yeah, we you know When I'm talking to a human being being nice to people it's not even tactical It's just normal it's nature like when I'm with a human being directly I'm of course going to talk to them slightly differently than when I'm looking at them in a video when they're just saying stuff That's already prescripted slash pre-recorded And by the way, everyone in chat that is yeah, everyone in chat that's criticizing you for this would do exactly the same thing They just like to act like they would be totally different in if they were a streamer What I needed to bring to xqc was that I disagreed with them completely and I told him that at the beginning and at the end And also the xqc is dynamic of being like a crazy Adderall psycho lunatic Being coming across as calm and kind of lucid Is in and of itself, you know playing a strength I think even if you really don't like someone if they're willing to come on your show and talk to you Like you want them to feel comfortable. So they'll speak on You know Whatever the yeah Not too much The other problem as well. I think people have got is they feel like well that's saying like xqc is dealt with this He's saying he'll pay people who's saying he'll do this. He's so these issues are resolved But you're still going back to criticize them, you know for issues that they see as resolved The story is like the power thing. Yeah, I don't mean like don't ever push back on them on anything But like there's no need to be rude You know, I don't think yeah, I didn't lie about any of my positions. I was pretty explicit The conclusion we are still at the end of the story and I don't even know what this is about yet It's a new video and wants me to have a take on it or our reaction What do I mean to react to? The video one must also react to he's watching the video. He's probably looking at chat Well, if you have if you are playing a video and you have to ask yourself, what is there to react to? That's the that's the sign of you need to pick a different video to watch. Yes Also, maybe you're just a shit streamer That's always kind of like potentially Maybe you're just really bad at this if you can't think of anything to say If you can't be insightful or entertaining and you're just there to babysit a bunch of losers So that they can watch videos Then if you go up with streamers or something is that what's going on there? Use the streamer. I'm a streamer Yeah I'm specifically talking about xqc. I'm talking about xqc I'm specifically Talking like in a in a like a narratively Metaphorical way to xqc right now Not you You're trying to show very interesting. So I yeah, I wouldn't say that about you I'm sure they're not lonely at all. They're insightful and social I'm talking about xqc fans at the moment. It seems so Oh, are they? Well, that's the shame A lot of stimuli I wasn't even reading chat I was paying attention You I wasn't being quiet. I was paying attention silently I'm in Or with that brand absorbing the video Yeah, he certainly was So it's like hard to exactly figure out what's going on. You don't need to defend him a song. I'm not defending him That's what it is because like I've gotten the exact same uh types of criticism. Oh my gosh How did Hassan How Where did he get the is he wearing the giraffe back there like as a shirt? Oh, no, those are little those are like Cheetahs cheetahs didn't take you all this time to realize This has got a bunch of cheetahs on this shirt there. No, I think I just sort of like I don't know. Maybe I was focused on something else. I was tuned out like visually Maybe I was looking at something else. I mean, I am looking at something else I'm looking at all sorts of things, you know me, but I don't know I just I guess I just put together the giraffe in the somewhat resemblance it has to Hassan's shirt So, I don't know sometimes it just hits you and just washes over you and you're like, wow, how about that? Interesting This is them and you're in front of the wine house make the exact same types of criticism About me if I'm being perfectly honest. The reality is that you don't upload it to youtube. Yes. That's the that's a big difference That's the major difference. Yeah, because if you want to youtube You know chat the people on youtube that are watching the video are not allowed to see the story Right before you explain it. We have it. You have to take it the video editor should have cut the story out Yeah, I can really get the story if they watch the original video. You just when he says story means context Yeah, the context of the video And so but he has to let the first minute plus whatever play So that you have context for what's being commented on because if if xqc says anything Then he'll destroy your ability to understand the context of what he's talking about It simply can't be done. He has to be quiet and sit there and let the content play. There's no other way He's trapped to the plan where the guy says Here's a match on thunder and I go wow That's a match right there That's insane guys and she's like, what is he talking about? We didn't see the story doesn't care though He's a transformative and it cuts with his neck snap. Yeah, there's no solution That's transformative no solution to that other than playing the whole video. That's the only thing Yeah, it's either it's either you saying wow the thing he's that they just said now in my voice Or it's letting the content play. There's no other option It says the guy has eight matches. Wow. We went from one to eight matches That's like eight times the amount Boom cut again the golden next segment the guy's sad. Oh my god. The guy's sad something happened to him Will we ever know what happened to him? It's interesting that in his in his brain the hypothetical of what he could do is just saying what happened in the video He can't even think about something that could be said Implying it's not even possible It's simply can't be done. The thing is like dating Like he's got a lot of experience with that shortly like he could just say Oh, yeah, I know about this experience and you spend five ten minutes elaborating on an experience relative to What's been discussed there like the swiping on dating apps say You know shit like that easy easy stuff to talk about when destiny talks about the the red pill stuff and the dating stuff And the strategies and things like he talks all about things you should do and in the trends that he notices And you know things of that nature on if he has nothing to say he doesn't upload the video Or at least you punish the editor if he did What happened to him? No, we don't because we cut the part where did the guys tell the story Well, we will never know what the story is because we have to get out of the video because it's It's not it's not transformative it. What a You are bald If you ever see a video like that on you remember rags bold is a state of like a mental being it does nothing to me Okay, all right. It's like, uh, okay. Yeah, it's metaphorical. You're metaphorically bold. Yes. You're metaphorically bold To it is most likely from a fan channel of the mind that took a straight vaude rip and posted it on youtube and is monetizing it themselves It's not it's not touching me in any capacity And can I be honest with you? There will be a time in my opinion Or there'll be some Legal hammer that will come down on streamers and there will be a time You know jet no jet no jet There will be a time where people don't even use cars anymore, dude There used to be that people we're gonna start flying it. You know jet. There's a time chat There's a time chat where people are gonna be teleporting, dude Oh, not me. I don't want to die So what is your point his point is that the future there will be things that are different from now Well, because even said the hammer will come down to you eventually and he's saying like yep So fuck it whatever things will happen in the future. Sure. They'll be flying cars eventually It's like when your dad says hey come over here and you say i'm coming and he says so's christmas And he thinks that's really funny The thing is obviously what ethan is presenting is is there's some truth to that and there are like youtube had problems with this I believe in the past Yeah, they had to crack down on stuff like yeah, absolutely. This is a worthy thing to be concerned about Well, yeah, because a lot of people worry that if you bite the hand that feeds a little too hard You might ruin it for everybody because they'll come down on everything Things. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You don't want to you know, you don't want to rock the boat You want to kind of Dream you'll sleep in the boat. Yeah Well, the thing is everyone agrees. We're happy with you know full reacts and and transforming it We don't want to be taking each other the fucking core of a dmca. Shit. That's going to cause loads of problems Like yeah, um, it would be nice if we didn't have to dmca each other, of course So that's my bad. I'm sorry. I didn't know in content like that day will come When you guys will not be allowed to do this So Um, because there will be legal I agree and so I cancelled and so I that's truly what I think but again My my criticism of him right now is that he uploaded this to youtube Because I understand the nature of live streaming you sit there Stuff is going on like you said the difference for him to be like yo, okay, so this was actually fire I'm not gonna Um No, no, no, I I think as long as you're operating it from interference. It's not it's bad. I apologize for that I I shouldn't roast him for that. I didn't I think he's talking about how he made fun of his Tourette's And he feels like you should probably pull it back which Makes sense. Yeah, uh people have done it before with Ethan without realizing I can't remember I want to say it was one of the I don't think it was keemstar But someone got in like a serious amount of trouble trying to make fun of the way he like moves his head and stuff Which is yeah, most people don't know his Tourette's I actually know um, but that doesn't matter anything Guys Edit it at all I'm gonna cut this They're all because there's no because uh, there's never been any kind of I don't think he's ever gotten criticized for this event But yeah, he's gonna shift for the snow up until this very moment There's never been an XQC is bad for doing there has I don't know why I saw this thing Yeah, I think it's to do with the song trying to be like it's always been about me. It's always been me. No one else But he's wrong He's kind of tanked some of the criticism but XQC has been floated about as a as a culprit, right? Doing this I'm telling you this because I've been getting shit on for years In spite of the fact that I have it There's been like the 80 page a schizo rant that Is quite literally the most ill piece of document out there that they came up with and that was like a The most ill piece of document ever I'm not in I don't know these words and their usages. I'm not sure who was talking about as well Based on his accent. He was a francophone first and probably earning English as a second language maybe in high school or so If there's a lot of people from rural Quebec especially tend to not even learn English until they're grown Well, I wish XQC would learn English and make this a lot more easy for us to tell what he's saying Year ago or two years ago And I was put into that and and he said as an example and called a bunch of names by And I didn't react to that so to a part of it with an youtube and they reacted to the reacted it Which honestly is I'm just being feeded. I'm being Robin Hooded. I I should have I should have called for help But I didn't I have like these Boundaries on how I make this kind of content and what I choose to upload onto my actual like owned and operated page That's like heavily edited Regardless of that I've been getting shit on online For years and years and not a single peep was ever made about XQC And you never fucking sidestep to be like hold up guys, let's stop now. I mean I do this too It's kind of ridiculous. He's never fucking come out and like defended me in any Throw down Just I think you want to spite the content of son this is this not only this is only for content Right, this is for the sake of everything when Eden says some dumbass fucking shit Okay, you should call him out because what's what I do to the son and I'm a son's friend And I call his ass out when he says some dumb shit and that's me doing that right now Right when Ethan says some dumb shit you should call his ass out direct in a way that he has to respond But I don't think the problem is that neither of these two have the capacity to do that here because Ethan's just right Well, I it's also interesting. I feel like XQC is not addressing what just happened Which is the son said like, you know, my friend didn't come to my defense I feel like if he that is I think he would be more annoyed by that. I don't know if he missed it or or something Is that I'm not sure either because you'd expect that to take up the you know bulk of his attention because that's a pretty Pretty serious accusation if you're on that level of a friendship Yeah, I don't know how friendly they are, but I mean It's like you you left me out to drive it. It's like They just stormed into another rug and continue talking because you know that if it was not given about him He would he would defend it more arduously and he wouldn't let it go under the rug Because it's an important point before you want another point. Otherwise, it's intended or or uh, Everybody knows that there's some sort of agreeance there And people move on and they think that Hassan is on that side and they they agree with it He it's it's agreeing. It's an echo chamber and he should call his stupid ass out He said that it's an echo chamber on leftovers the podcast Right now. Yeah, he feels like Hassan should be calling out Ethan right now. It's just an echo chamber when it's not an echo chamber It's an argument. Yeah, and Hassan is trying to push back but really subtly. He's like yes He doesn't want to make it like a full blown sort of argument. He's being a little bit Soft in terms of uh his approach Capacity despite the fact that he himself was uh, a a regular abuser of the same structures Uh, if we're being real the same goes for again Charlie moist critical any kind of asmongold any kind of live streamer that is live reacting to content Can always have This kind of footage cut out uh of them because they're live for 10 hours a day. It's the same. I understand But the whole video matters though. It's not a clip. I think the it's not a clip on article review It's not a fucking tiktok. We're gonna take the tiktok is eight seconds long It's a this your reaction is eight seconds long. It's like a great tiktok Maybe that could be a venue for him, you know You have a couple tiktoks of him reacting to the the big video, you know Really convince it. He's mostly just repeating the he needs to have the full video's context He has to has to have the whole thing that he needs has to you You can't do the thing where you watch the first 10 minutes And react to it at the first five minutes and react to it and then say if you want to watch the rest of the video Go to da da da da. That's simply can't be done. We don't have the technology But it was important and that's all I give a fuck about Important thing to mention here that uploading that kind of vaude content to youtube without any editing any editing whatsoever is not good And right now XQC is really in defense mode about the creative integrity of the video that he's covering We have to see the full thing. We need to know the context It's really important for the story that we're all watching unfold together But I have a feeling he's not going to care really all that much about the creative You know about the the creator's ability to control their own content even though he seems to be really Uh focused on the you know creative integrity of the product itself that they make and I still want to highlight How amazing it is listening to sound talk about this compared to when we covered him on the react stuff like He's so timid and sheepish now. He seemed to flipped on so many things. It's all coming so easily to him now All the resistance that was put up. Remember all the people who was banning Yeah, he's banning everybody. He was making fun of them for being working class That was weird. Yeah, like bizarre Like that sounds a bad person And it's uh, it's not a good product in general But listen The one the one thing I have to mention here is that it's no different than when podcast first came out And people will get clipped out of context all the fucking time on podcast Because that was the first time that we were experiencing like an uninterrupted three hour My energy stability, we are we we got uh uploaded, uh, Verification for this video as well Both videos used both videos used in this podcast both of them. We got we got the fucking Permission for both before this even aired and went live. That's fucking insane Good job, by the way, a medium of content That's just now coming up. Well, yeah, he's got permission now and it's like, okay That's nice Permissioned post is great The reducers misled me on this because they were like, oh, no, actually you got permission But now watching it now, it's clear that that didn't become apparent until like, you know, what? 40 50 minutes into the him reacting to it So if he said that at the start, he would have had a stronger kind of ground to stand on but Yeah, you didn't know that did he? If you need help with that you need an employee, I'll hire somebody else I if you if you know if you're to battle these fucking absolute morons If you need more help, I will hire an entire new person just for contacting other people than I will fuck if we make a track record of condor asses out They will back down like a little rat mold and go back into the little rap cages to watch your address back in the little rap cages They're bolding rap cages Full that we're not media trained to speak for three hours so you could very easily Cat someone off guard and make them uh, how long and how long streaming? How long do you have to be a streamer until you sort of like get better at it enough to be able to talk for three hours That's not like a big deal, right? Don't know talking for three hours because like we do it every week So it's not like you know and some insurmountable task that just can't be done especially if you've done this for years and years and you're You know so trained at it so famous you have all this money and access to resources and you know contacts and stuff Talking for three hours isn't really a big deal a lot of people do it for free all the time. They won't shut up. So I don't know a certain way thing to say. I don't think you need to Make excuses. I mean look just own it. You do that shit. What do you mean? You do that shit? I mean you and all these guys Yeah, I do that shit. You don't have to like make analogies and excuses and stuff I do that shit. You're not gonna do it again then, Hassan. I'm sure you will So you're not gonna do this again and making all of these like pretty feeble excuses Analogy at all the point is you have to if I really isn't like an ego thing He really wants people to just come on say it so that he feels like superior That he doesn't do that thing and he can vertus signal all this is a simple high road It's just a high ground argument. The whole thing is that's all you want to do is be superior and start Wait because he's old everybody's young I came out of nowhere because he's old Ethan man, you get not okay. That's why you're doing this You're old. All right that ad-lib didn't finish till I thought I would He wants to have some sort of upper-hand it Excuse me talking about ego is pretty rich. I mean it's just the sheer arrogance constant doubling down ad hominem Everybody's brain dead who disagrees with them and malting whatever Molding molding Born too long ago We're talking about it like live reacting if we go back to like the live reacting on which side of things I like that. There are no legal limitations. You know, of course you like that. There are no legal limitations It's like this is funny You know what Ethan when I went to that party when I went to that party All your employees are young and full of energy and they get all these things and they're all Chilled and you hang out with people dude that you wish you were because they're young and they know what the landscape is And you are Thing I know that Thousands voluntarily tune in to watch this person stream for hours every week. He makes millions of dollars It's just is wild. You sounded pretty bold right now, right? You did. Yeah, that's it really Can you not see him in the video? That's not it's not it's not about the hair that you have it's a mental state It's a piece it is like if Hassan who is for all of his flaws of which there are many I do the idea that oh you you just hire young people because you're jealous of their youth and they're Being in touch with the modern world is like you're talking to Hassan piker. He's the zoomerist of the zoomer ears He's bold and I know you know that the youtube live dmca structure is Uh, definitely ripe for abuse. That's number one Well, it's the same dmca structure that governs twitch, isn't it? Just it's just a it's a set of laws that Provide platforms that means the automated process and the way that youtube is set it up has made it so that you can like Very quickly shut down Most live productions you can very quickly shut them down or you can immediately monetize them I mean you've had issue. There's a reason why like you can't even watch like a tiktok video because you're worried that If there's 10 seconds of like music that slips in then all of a sudden your three hour content that you produced With a team of brilliant producers and and and put together All of a sudden is gone because of a of like a slip up And I don't think that structure is Can we get a zoom in on the yawning right there? Is this like talking live in a live audience and and uh, I guess and you're yawning You thought mate G bro is yawning or making I don't think that's your natural thing. I'm yeah human body. You said it. I mean I'm sitting here engaged, but I've yoned a few times. It just it just happens. I don't say man I can't it happens to us bold people, you know Yeah, that was balder ice yawning balds. I don't think it's like something to even really stress or about Fucking old yawna. It's like the not-so-great debate all over again. Oh It's good to acknowledge like yeah, we are doing this thing that's probably not right And I'm good thinking about ways to better address it because it looks like you said it's the industry standard It's the norm. Yeah of how people operate on twitch And I think it's worth acknowledging, you know, you know, you know, it'd be really cool chat I get it. Since big it's a big deal now. You know what you should do I think this would be pretty cool Um, if you go ahead and tag in our video a tag uh, and they're tagged at the bottom or So youtube feature or they could click on something with the upload video That's I don't want my video. Oh, I think so, you know the tweet we saw where you talked about the The genesis of this idea. Yeah, I think he actually writes it up while he's talking about it. Um We shall Reactive too And they can or they can They can set that when they upload a video for the first eight hours of the video is up for the first day for the first week And then it's reactable, right and things will be different and work here in that way What do you think he would say then if you brought up the transformative argument in relation to Should there be any time scale for if it's transformative? I don't know It's of course we if if someone puts out a video that's like awful and we cover instantly and they say hey Whoa, whoa, whoa, you gotta wait a week. We'll be like no, I don't have to do that at all transformative it's it's beyond the scope of uh, you don't have a right to the The transformed content that we've created No, yeah Yeah, pretty much we don't need your permission even if it's uh, your copyrighted material I wouldn't care dude Because I watch videos when they come out because I like them but I could wait a week and I don't care about that I think that would be a great feature to have since there's a big deal now And if you want to make it so I give it a year ago, maybe they wanted to go for it But if you do want to put a button But you can like do this yourself You can just look at a video after an email to any of these people and he proudly claims Some of them he has that situation with and it's like, yeah, just keep doing that. It's great Just have it even normally planted out a day in advance Like if you see a video that you might be interested in like shoot him a message or an email or something to say like It's like it really is the whole asking for forgiveness rather than permission Which is I don't know in this case. It's like I don't know it wouldn't hurt to ask for permission, would it? I mean, all you have to do is just be transformative You did that Exactly then that would be the end of it That's just out of the question that that can be done If that lemono video was like three hours in length, right? I don't think anyone would and regional is one hour 40 I don't think anyone would have any questions about Well, that's clearly gonna, you know Transform it enough, right? Maybe not legally again, but That's a lot of extra shit, isn't it? What you mean if he if he talked about it if he doubled the length essentially what he Yeah, I well, if it was like, I mean that is that's a lot better than only 10 15 minutes of extra Uh runtime, that's for sure About the video and maybe a little blue thing or a little red thing a little eye with the thing it says I don't my video reacted to and maybe tomorrow maybe today if you want to put a date on it or something like that, right? What it expires like a like a premium tag where right now my video is in premium state, right? And I want to be reacted maybe later when it's not in premium state So it isn't really ruined the algorithm because the people say Uh, well, you would just be abused that we said I was I was about to say though like why If there is no harm incurred Why would there be any need for anybody to have A provision limiting when people can react to it, you know How can you simultaneously make the argument that like what you're doing isn't detrimental to the creator while advocating that they have this option Of like a limited time of exclusivity Presumably to advance their own interest or would he be like well, we put the system in place They're wrong. They're incorrect on the facts, but like give it to themselves makes them feel better Either it's that or you genuinely does think remember people can take them down At whim and it's like oh, so you don't even feel the need to protect your transformed Visions of their works you believe that they own it anyway If you let them have full control over everything, right? There's always these little subtextual pieces. They're like sounds like you think That you're not doing the right thing the fact that you're not willing to defend your work But then it would be his position would be well, it's not even a matter of transformative That's like not relevant to the conversation at all Do I Yeah, it gets a bit confusing Well, you can just voluntarily not go watch videos until they've been out for a week at least The earnest is placed on uh, the earnest is placed on the creator here Instead of on uh, yeah When you can always engage all this stuff, so that's nice, isn't it? That's like nice and easy for you You have to change anything about the way that you do things. It's your fault. You didn't lock your door, you know Instead of checking a box of like I don't want this content being reacted to I wonder I wonder if it would be useful to do something like when you upload a video in the metadata page there would be an option uh Of like this is a reaction And you check it And then you would make an adjust or you two would make an adjustment to the to the algorithm Being that But if I have a built-in like revenue share thing to know anybody Without john was that it would have a revenue share right like that Let's say in the hypothetical world We got the super duper youtube computer that can identify specifically the video that you're reacting to And you check that and then immediately funnels a significant portion of the ad revenue from your reaction to that channel How many people would be doing that? Well, I was like I was like, sorry go ahead. No go for it john Well, I was just thinking the adjustment to the algorithm specifically what I was thinking Was that it would be a simple check at the beginning if is a video a reaction if so It well if it's not a reaction put it at the top of the search results list On like a home feed or whatever our user search is for and if it's a reaction Sort it like you normally would but underneath the original material That way like all the reactions aren't sucking up all the views. Well, the thing is is that If you look at for some of these videos the original video is still at the top, but the next ones are the reactions to it Um, right? I mean there's an argument to be made that even if it shows up at the top if you get presented with Well, I could watch the video But I could watch that video in full with 15 minutes of additional commentary The the fact that that option is even there and available for you How much does that influence the viewing? preferences of um, you know just let's say some rando Who doesn't even know who xqc or hasana or any of these guys are has like no affinity for their specific brand Yeah And it is true that you'd probably have a bunch of people saying, you know like making Uh reactions, but they won't tick that box To to like artificially put it at the top of the search results, but then I think you could police that You know, uh, you could police that would be like, hey this you didn't flag this as a reaction But it clearly is I'm gonna I'm gonna flag this and send a complaint to youtube or whatever and then youtube would be like Hey, you can't do that This is clearly a reaction and you didn't label it as such, you know, oh, I would just never I just never would do that is like there's it literally only hurts me and I have every right to make this video Anyway, there's not a single video that I've ever made and I've built my you know career and everything The xqc Why have doing or the Hassan way of doing reactions where they would even seemingly own the fact that there's isn't as transformative as A comprehensive breakdown. Yeah or something that's thoroughly edited But the question is would they press that button if they knew that it no that it bumped them down You're basically you're basically asking thieves to police themselves. Where is the bull? Well, I revenue stream from With talking about the bulk of his revenue stream. Yeah any of these guys like Streams 10 hours a day Well, I assume the deal What is it like having you know subs and running ads is likely his uh main revenue source I presume of course with xqc. He's got that kick deal which is a good chunk of money On its own. Yeah, okay So what he's part of his business model is he has to be on stream 10 hours a day in order to keep those that money? Yes More subs you get etc. Yeah Well, and that might even just be minimum requirements for him. Oh, yeah, sure Bigest dream is for you on twitch. I would have a minimum like 200 hours a month 250 hours a month something like that. They've got a stream. Yeah So he basically needs 10 hours of content a day just to keep himself entertained so he can be online Uh, yeah, I mean that's one of the reasons that you have this meant, you know, this this meta of watching videos Yeah, it's because we need to fill eight 10 hours a day Two hour video. I mean for me that would be like four hours of content But For xqc, that's two hours 10 minutes of content and that's plugged into the stream, right? And that's easy content so, yeah On h y factor I win you win the world wins But wait a minute They know that their ass will not fucking use it because they only care when they're broke asses Arguing the views that they should be getting and they get insecure about their fucking view count like a bunch of bitches Doing that to you know, in some cases, it's not right what you have done, right? Yeah And so, you know, that's what it is and I liked it. There is uh Like a less automated process though. I will admit one because obviously personally beneficial for me But two I think it's better for Making I'll do it about it right now I got I got you. All right, well there you go. You can skip that pot Yeah Yo, what the fuck is this stupid ass fucking? I yo, I'm walking this guy I don't know what that's about. I don't know either. This is uploaded Is the windows sauce bar in the middle of the screen now? Is that like for windows 11 or something? The windows taskbar you can put it in on as far as I know you can put it anywhere you want on the left Bottom okay, I think I think you look like the default position though. I think is the middle now. Yeah, like apple Bottom no no no in the middle on the bottom. Did you see that before that? It was like, you know, how in the same way that You know the icons on the taskbar Yeah Middle out Yeah, it uh, it defaults to having them be towards the middle. I prefer them stacking to the left though I'm just used to it. I don't know if it's a preference that I could even rationalize It's just it always looks it looks odd to me any other way, you know Yeah, I don't think I have a preference now that I'm because I'm on windows 11 now and I've used 10 a whole bunch. I don't think I have a preference either way um So it's just it's just one of those like oh, this is different and then you know You're used to it and that's just how it is and then if it went back to be in the other way with windows 12 I'd be like, oh, all right. That's how it is now. I guess, you know, this doesn't really matter to me My vod it's important the vod you can have the exact same vod on twitch To watch on my website And on youtube the all the same small thing about this one specifically Gotcha. All right. He has only received a couple likes zero. Oh, here we go. He becomes frustrated. No false. It's false alarm It's actually more than the vod actually this is more edit in my vod This is actually more effort. If you if you was gonna shit on this you should shit on the fucking you twitch god to twitch vod This is much better Man, this is better than something I can believe it's better than something else, but I don't think it's good I can yeah, I can believe things could be worse. Yes on that. We agree. It could be worse Look at his face there. Oh, you had it paused. It's just the face. It was pulling like this attitude Like you just You're staring daggers at the video just like so mad I feel like there's a lot of funny faces We got months on them trees looks funny that too. I don't know what it is I think it's like a very flat sort of expression Like is it a is it a coincidence? Or is xqc reacting to another video that he did this day because he's wearing the same shirt The same metallica shirt. It's a that's a jumper or a jacket Oh, is it uh, I need to oh, oh, yeah, that's how is that possible? That's not possible that somebody could wear a jacket on two different days What I'm I literally I see you need to pay attention to my words coming out of my mouth hole Because the first thing I said was is it a coincidence or that that that he did say that I have no idea Okay, okay. Yeah, this is the only option because otherwise it's Why is it possible? No, you can wear your shirt Because they're watching a video that's on his youtube from days ago and he's watching life. Well, that was rags question I don't know when this is uploaded That's why my first the first thing I said from my little muzzle. Nobody listened to rags. It's weird It's strange. I have things worth listening to dammit. I have value to contribute to this stream. I promise Yeah, I asked Because it is strange if you because I you know, I have I have a well, I mean, I don't I I don't wear clothes But my my person, right? He right? He has an array of things that he wears and he wears them multiple times It's a really cool tip for saving money And you know, it's possible. Absolutely. But you know, there's an element of oh, it's interesting how he in both I love how there's two people in shuds jackhorn. You petty you literally asked whether or not it's from the same day It's not even criticism. Fucking listen. All he asked was was this from the same day or not? He doesn't know Jesus Christ My mind is is this all something that's being reacted to on the exact same day? Which is odd because we have to be like four layers in We have to have xqc do the first stream and then we have to have that be uploaded Then we have to have the hasan and the Ethan guy reacting to that and then that has to get put out and made and then east and then Xqc has to react to that and then put this out or stream it And so it slayers like a big cake of stupid Also, someone asked why am I looking at chuds chat? I'm not my own my chat's doing just fine. They're making bold memes I love them go nuts My joke about regs being petty possibly being a dog joke. I know rocky was funny I am a dog Yeah, possibly By the way, if our viewers coming to my chat chud logic subscribe while you're there and see all the You know, there's lots of arguments. You're like you tie the bullshames logic Yes, big chud lover 3000 on twitch sign up for his merchandise by his metallica shirts Because ip shouldn't exist We have ethap shirts on sitch and adam if you want to head on over to our chain Yeah, go to adam show.net and buy the ethap merchandise I'm gonna upload all of adam's sitch's channel $15 interacts buy two get one Normal price What the fuck is he even talking about? Who's he talking to? Is he mad? I could tell you don't really watch twitch at all This is like giving someone ecstasy And saying I can tell you don't take ecstasy ever. Yeah, but he's right though. He said I'm on youtube right now not on twitch so YouTube live streaming is very different due to the uh automated dmca structure. You would not be able to do this on youtube As a youtube video, which is what it is. It is a youtube video I understand that I know you you you're feeling defensive because you feel I'm like, well, that's if I was if I was watching this on twitch I guess I'm not I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna hate you could say what broke me I don't I'm not gonna get mad about it What broke this person from to be so upset about life? Not life. He just doesn't want you to steal shit. It's really straightforward. Yeah I mean This is not really like Ethan's rich I don't really see like the point of doing the whole like who's got more money. They're both rich Absolutely. These are three. These are like three millionaires having very very very wealthy people Very wealthy people Look, the truth is ethos are totally one of them deserved it. But like so So one of three Ethan is just bold. That's the truth We're watching a bunch of one percenter socialists Okay, listen, sorry, someone's given me money to ask a question. So I must do this. Okay. Do it fuck it. Yeah, it's long It's long honey speaks They mentioned how in ex-qc's world he would just go into houses because everyone okay with it This is not the case because people build doors to their houses Locked down with a lock to show their intentions of not being intruded upon So similar to movies Why don't they have a 10 seconds at the start of the video stating that this video is not to be reacted to to actors doors Stopping from good actors from harming them and making bad actors clear to dmca basically the To have like the same Copyright like warning that films and television shows have Yes Okay, but you don't you don't need to have the warning to be able to enforce your rights for the thing that you've created Yeah, you don't Yeah, also, I don't need your permission to use your copyrighted content if I transform it in my own way regardless of the warning, right Residual side stepping the whole ask forgiveness not permission thing every single time I mean you could still put it up there and then someone could just be like nah and then still react to it Yeah, that's kind of funny What difference would it fucking make if these people don't respect it which typically speaking they don't care They don't care to find out. Yeah, you're asking work with film and television They have these warnings. Yeah, I mean we literally Like I said earlier this is asking thieves to police themselves and they're not going to especially when their livelihoods are at stake And they've made a living off of thievery They're not going to do and I just like this whole like please put at the beginning your videos Do not thieve if you feel that is something that you need to put on there I think that the part that they're saying you're missing here is that by doing that if anyone does breach that You can film or justify to dmca them because they've reached that But xqc and hasan have already said they feel that the people would be justified in taking their shit down Well, you said that didn't uh, so xqc watched the dark night You know the dark night would have the same warning at the beginning of the film as well Like on the dvd or the blu-ray And and at the end of the credits as well because there's usually there in the credits as well I mean how effective has that been and like regardless of whether you warn somebody you still own that And you could still enforce your rights to that Well, the thing is it would only it would only probably scare off people Who would use that constant content transformatively because they want to follow the rules Because I want to do the right thing because there's a lot of people especially smaller youtubers or youtubers where this hasn't happened before Where they get like a dmca notice or a copyright takedown or whatever And even though they're 100 totally in the right and they should fight it They are you know, they feel Like they get afraid they get scared of that because oh shit like a copyright strike And what does this mean for my channel and does it give me a you know Does it put a limitation on my channel and oh my god three strikes and my channel's terminated and so they understandably If they're not used to the system they back down for fear of thinking that you know Either other repercussions or that maybe they think that they're in the wrong when they aren't So I feel like this that would do more harm to Essentially the law abiders than it would the people who would just be thieves They'd steal it anyway They know what they're doing is wrong So someone in chat says what about the the dark night thing is that like you just loop back round to well the reason He's not fucking with dark night is because the movie studio protects the rights to the dark night already So it would be that with it. It's Warner Brothers. It's a big massive multinational like corporate They'd be more aggressive in pursuing it and they'd win Whereas an individual youtuber that's like a way easier fight to get into then getting into a fight with disney And like we said XQC concedes and hasandas and I think I'm not sure if destiny says as well But just any claims from any of these youtubers. They just immediately say yep take it because they know it's They know they're not on the right with this Point being they already know putting that disclaimer at the beginning It's only going to change it if they agree to that ahead of time, which I don't even know that they would But then why again is it on the creators? I don't see why we keep making it their Responsibility to do anything instead of just asking people not to steal their videos Well, I'm just trying to cultivate a landscape where people Are not going to be doing this in in as high numbers new video Yes, that's what I knew it's fair. Yeah To answer that question you need to understand the numbers 120 I made a simulation of a dating app with 1000ms to try to understand why men get so few minutes 30 no commentary Yo, because they got oh, we got a big screen. Here it is Compete guys guys guys. I feel like this is just like Check things just break it break this down just evolutionary like This is just like normal like even space Like you get a compete, bro. Can we transcribe that? I feel like this is animal shit. He's talking. This is animal shit. I'm gonna talk about evolutionary psychology I have to continue the other ones right now. He's uh, he's busy. He's trying to talk about evolutionary psychology Look look ugly moron. He's trying to talk about evolutionary psychology. What's going on, bro? What's happening their memes Just to try and break it up. See not falling asleep. Okay Can we transcribe that? I feel like this is animal shit. He's talking. Yo, can we transcribe the balding pattern in his head? Maybe there's like some Oh If somebody really didn't even know about this whole like just cold people bold it's like a It's just the description. It's like saying hi. He's boy. He's a you got brown hair. Let's see if there's any secret messages It is bold hair. I just like okay. Yeah Have you guys ever seen talladega nights? Yes, but no, I think Their thing is they just say shake and bake at Sasha barron collin's character. Like what the hell are you saying? He's like, you know what it means by how it makes you feel Oh, there you go It's just like is that the car racing one with will ferrell. Yeah Ricky bobby There's any hero who lives in his head. I know we should check that right now It's trying to talk about evolutionary psychology. Yeah saying that like uh, the reason is wheelhouse is evolutionary psychology for men Guys, we need the experts on the color of hair and grinnis in growing males so we can see if there's any Any maybe rare patterns in there Anything we kind of look that part. We got homes from anybody You're giving him a lot of Gotcha. I mean, I understand what he's trying to say That's what you can do all these tricks and I had all these these feathers that are all these See there's editing and we got the bird. We got the role of the women. It's just it's just a Because the men I say appealed This part's fine, even though I think he sounds like a moron it's okay But it took him two minutes to fucking say a goddamn single word about that. Well, first you got to establish a narrative What are we watching? You know what I mean? Well, he didn't do that. Well, he let the video do it I think well, oh, that's the problem. He's letting the video do the work I would be happy about losing it if it wasn't like a whatever neighborhood But it wasn't a very very very rich neighborhood that I lost it in it So it's like it's not mean somebody that that that needs the money that's gonna get that's gonna get the lost watch or whatever Interesting okay I mean, listen, I'm just telling it. I'm just telling it like this is what it is dude What do you say? Even though I think he sounds like a moron. It's okay But it took him two minutes to fucking say a goddamn single word about that. Well first you got to establish a narrative What are we watching? You know what I mean? Well, he didn't do that. Well, he let the video do it The problem. Yeah to do it I mean, you know, I mean you know talk for two minutes. I mean, you know, I mean Listen, I'm just telling you I mean, I mean, I mean it's just like it's okay to say that you think it's wrong But that also you do it that also your your loyalties are divided right now This is what it is, dude Well, guys this ballon person wants me to let the video play out Right, then they want me to he wants me to re explain the whole video's premise And then react to my own take or my own Understanding of the just saying is your job to create content. That's all Hasan is thinking that complex, you know, not that complex His only concern is his own optics Premise back to back This guy, he's just wants me to make a new video Yeah, he wants me to sit down. Yeah, like yours is shit make one. That's not shit new video from start with no of this Just say and just you know, wait make a video from scratch Like make of like content create content. I'm confused because you know like the video's premise up to this point was You know, I I want to compare what it's like for men and women to be competing on like tinder websites So I took a thousand of each and I did basic profiles I put A picture of going outside a picture of climbing a picture with family and the the point of these pictures is to blah blah blah He says all that stuff Whatever comment you have is it impossible to provide the context within the comment You say for whatever comment you have on whatever part you were talking about or do you have to have all of that? Is it actually just not potentially possible? Because I feel like I'd be able to do it without the two minutes of the video Well, yeah, why don't you ask questions about oh, I wonder where they got all these people from I wonder what their income brackets are I wonder if they you know got a got Contestant not contestants uh subjects I suppose you could say that are across the strata of you know all society Things of that nature and that adds to you know adds to the video to ask these questions and say I I think that you'd probably have to do these things to get the most accurate, you know sort of results and You know, let's see if they did that. I think now that you can reasonably create an AI AI art E-girl you could probably actually run that study very well by just Having specifics of like this type of person in this type of photo in this area And then mix it up so that you'd actually be able to get pretty accurate data So long as the people believe that they're real people Well, it has uh gone to the point now where people are expecting there to be you you combine the AI sort of a girl art with the vtuber stuff with reacting to videos like this and Anyone can create a channel that'll be hyper successful because of that community aspect Just like I don't know what the future holds, but we've got a couple of different things that can cross and create What you guys will talk about react this react that blah blah blah. What is the correct amount of Terrible impression of us, but go ahead Okay What's the correct amount of reaction? What do you think chad? Yeah, what do you think we all say? I increase the runtime by I don't know 30 say something like that maybe Do you think that's what we'd say 30 increase in runtime? I think we already Bring is actually given you the answer earlier this stream. Yeah, I wasn't visiting. That's all right The point I would make is that There is no like clear line on when you transform something But just because you can't tell exactly when it's happened like these ways you can't distinguish between yeah Like yeah between something that is not sufficient and something that is sufficient Because you could even have I think something that was mentioned earlier Is it you could you could take the entirety of the video and just chop it up Without any additional commentary on your part of like your voice or anything And that could be transformative principally because you've you've changed it in a way that makes it quite different from the original creation Even if it's comprised 100 of that original creation Which is you know, like if that's the case then it's hard to say that there's a total runtime that you would need compared to how long the original video is I think it's a case if you know it when you see it. Yeah, but it'd be nice to come up with some metrics just to have You know some some basic rules Pragmatically, wouldn't that be better? I mean if you're talking about some rules that no one's going to follow Sounds like a good use of our time Look, obviously obviously we're theorizing about a solution to this problem that may work for society Which obviously someone's going to listen to what the fuck we have to say anyway But i'm just saying would it be better to have Some ironclad rule like if you want to watch the whole video 30 percent Is you have to hit 30 percent just to avoid this nightmare Your vision is like a different experience than watching the original That's like a key factor. How much you should add to it is complicated So here's the thing would you find it acceptable like if we if we tried to do just the hard and fast rule of runtime Would it be fine if that person just paused and then this went Like for about two or three minutes or something and then they do it 10 minutes later and just go Yeah, probably not like they just keep doing that and then it's like well it pads out the runtime That look that would create A kind of friction that would eliminate this problem because qvc obviously can't add Yeah, pvc, whatever Like you cannot You cannot add Look if he has to add 30 If he has to add 30 of his own content to this like that's just that's not gonna He can't entertain an audience for 30 added runtime Literally, he's only watching these videos back to back with no pausing commentary because He's got a stream for 10 hours a day Well, it's it's kind of the problem in terms of you know that blurry line It's like you know when it's not transformative, you know, and you know when it is but the actual point where it crosses over is really difficult to ascertain But that I'm talking about just from a pragmatic perspective I think that a better thing instead of just like a hard and fast Once you do this, then you're good. It would be more like general guidelines for the way to approach something um Like you know like bearing in mind Newer experience No So would you be happy then again with the 30% if it was just making Well, like if we just talk about like a substantially new experience Which again, I know that that's like not a thing that has like a strict definition But i'm i'm not sure what a better one would be if he did strange sounds or an additional 30 percent and an audience I was willing to suffer through that I say let it go I say I say he's done his duty Well, I mean it's More material that's true I believe in a world where that is not a possibility and maybe i'm wrong It's not a possibility to do the Sounds and then no no no no no It's not a possibility to do those sounds and build an audience that is gonna Oh, yeah, but i mean we live in a world where that might be the case If it is Look if it if that's the case and I think you got it you got to accept reality You gotta you got to be a realist Nothing beats the just transform it and in this case transforming means going well beyond fucking saying one comment per five minutes But with 30% okay, let's just accept your premise hypothetically fringy If he did that and added 30% more to the runtime, would you accept that as a transformative piece of content? I don't know Well, that's my thinking as well Well, I mean is it performance art when for one minute he makes an observation like is that sufficient If he adds one minute and that one minute was just like some loose Like thoughts, I mean it's a performance right to some extent because he's broadcasting live to an audience I you know what I mean would that be enough for you? No, I wouldn't I wouldn't go there Again, it's kind of expanding out like I don't know what the line is I don't I don't know how long it would need to be Before it counts as being transformed into something else. That's why I'm that's why I'm saying this obviously I don't look I don't think this matches that I don't think I'm in a position to determine where the line is Like I don't know if I could I could say that there is one and it's blurry But like I don't know if I can like basically say this is the line all the time You have to I mean we have to put a line on it obviously we all agree that there's transformative content and there's content that is not transformative Yeah, but we also can see this content that we would struggle to decide if it is or not yeah But I don't I don't think that's unacceptable I don't think it's unacceptable that you could be in a case where it's hard to tell And then you basically make your case and the other person makes their case Like there's plenty of that right if you want to go from a legal aspect of interpretation of the law This is the problem with the law Per case I'll be way happier if we were trying to figure out If we were trying to figure out if xqc had transformed or not if we were actually at that point We're like oh, maybe any kind of yeah, that'll be way better We're not in that position. That's why I asked it I'm sorry Adam. Of course, it's really important to say to you this from a super chat says adam Please from everyone watching stop talking for five minutes My god adam. All right. I'm gonna take off. Thanks guys No I'll just read the super chat cool. It's cool guys. Thanks for having me on it's not a big deal. I'm tired anyway, so The outshot has to live with the guilt I wanted you here adam. I want you to stay adam. We invited you not accidentally I mean, I'm just trying to make a point here. I mean if it's if it's too, uh If it's if it's too, um, I would tell you to stop talking I think it's Fucking pussy and say a piece I think it's fair to raise the point. I just I couldn't I couldn't give you an answer as to where exactly the line would be That's that's all I'm saying All right, cool Wait, so you're saying Actually, I think I'm gonna take off. Oh Thanks for having me on guys We'll catch you around No, no hard feelings. I don't look. I don't want you to think there's any hard feelings here, but I'm tired. Okay. This is genuinely because it's super jazzy. I was fucking around, okay Well, I mean it is a little bit because Wow, oh my god. No, you can't listen to you run a comedy show of your own You can't listen to random super chatters. Look, we have our super chatters too, but it's just they just know it's rude Yeah, but chuds are dumb. Yeah, exactly Ours are big smart Many brain much neuron zap. Wow I see it. Oh You happy with yourself chud It's just banter You're mean to adam if cinch was here, you know what chud sometimes actions have consequences Yeah, real nice chud I I quite liked adam's points like he made one about um the sheer amount of time these streamers have to fill to fulfill their um Their contractual obligations, which is a motive to to swallow up the videos. Yeah Yeah, and that's sort of that perpetuates the culture of like, well, I want to fill this time up with videos. I don't want to Just play games for 10 hours or I don't want to just talk for 10 hours Because I don't know what to talk about for that length of time. So let's just watch videos um And I I could also see on his other point about like, um Like if if you were to make a video where the commentary is just like going Be like I could see myself actually making a video like that as a satire on like Uh From you know, yeah That's another whole thing as well. Yeah, yeah, right Yeah, I mean that'd be like a one time one and done thing because the joke's done after that, but There's another super chat, but please no one leave before you say this is a question. Okay Okay. All right. I promise. I won't leave It's just can you ballpark it please the bar for transformative enough? I mean By the way, can't do great. Is there any yes or no for the videos based? Sorry gone Like Like if we consider that doubling the length of the original is of course for every Second of the original you are adding a second yourself That's not unsubstantial Yeah, I think it depends on how that's sort of spaced out and how you know In how substantive it is Because I would probably say that the less times worth that you're adding to it the more umph it needs to It needs to have right And it can't it's got to be more than just oh Wow, really. Oh my god. I can't believe it or just restating something that the video said, you know It needs to be like you providing something not just you echoing what we're already watching Yeah, I think my standard would probably be if it can reasonably be argued as transformative, which I think I mean that sounds really reductive, but I think You can probably make the case for any calm Any content which actually is you know where you can say hey, no, no There's clear analysis here the person who watched this was thinking about it. They they offered opinions that Clearly shows they were paying attention and that they have some insight into what they saw or that it confused them and they They don't really know what to make of it And they're sorry. They can't offer any other commentary But I think that if you if you just kind of say yeah, well, I watched it and me being there is enough of Contribution I think I think that one makes the puppies angry I'm more concerned with what the Added content actually is and what it does to the video overall as a almost like a genre like so My addition to it and what I cut away turns it into me reviewing it or being critical of it or remixing it or parodying it Or something instead of it just is what it is and I go, huh Or who or even like I don't know if it would count if I just we have the events play out And then I spend a minute saying what those events were I just repeat all of it And then we play another minute and then I do that and then another minute Like I'm more concerned that the type of video is now evolved from what it used to be And you know with you know with the metrics like we've been talking about them adding more stuff talking about particular things Blah blah blah like eventually those will Invert it into something else. That's why people probably want these more specific items, but Uh, I think someone said it in chat. It's really not quantitative. It's more qualitative How how it what does it turn into what is it considered once you're done with it? I mean it was uh, it was brought up earlier the sargon akila obviously thing He didn't add any original material apart from the title Um, and everything else was just edited after that. So, you know, it's You know, even you know, even that has the quality of completely changing the meaning in the context of everything that was made And he didn't make anything new in terms of material. It was arrangement that was used to make a point Oh my goodness. What's the bail in original? Oh, oh, wow. Look at that uh We've been reasonable each olive chat because I don't Yumbo's cheeky grumbos No, he's of the long noids I think reach out or rhinos worth of milk fringies goo metals tears Who I want to win I think speed or speech speed I think It could be yeah, it could be it look like my yeah, it could be speed. It looks like a typewriter speed running or speed fluffy meme dragon Oh, that's supposed to be alfred abby smash s class a team and nuggy kang nuggy kang Yoga bottom Don't worry chat. We read you bottom I like this I was gonna man That one of the things that I often tell people that are looking to learn how to edit Is one of the best things that you can do is take a show that you like or a movie that you like or something And then a song that you like and try to just cut a music video using that Buttage to the song And you're just making it for yourself because it's it's an editing exercises But it helps people not only work on their timing and pacing because music is really good for doing that But then they can kind of be thinking, huh, how can I tell a story with this footage in this music? So I I think that that's The emphasis is on creation, right? Like the emphasis is ultimately on creation. Are you creating something? Or are you stealing it crafting all of the value of the existing work? It's a real dating world. It's like whatever, but yeah more ex use a moron True. I really dislike him. I don't get the hype. Um Did we did we make any uh, do we do we touch any new ground on uh The the ethics of live streaming. I feel like we we need to summarize it like If I say the facts if I say all the facts, okay, people are gonna get mad at me and try to cancel me So I'm not I'm not I'm not gonna state any actual facts. There's a guy. Oh, we know you won't let me I'll let him have it dude. I'm not gonna reply to it. I'm sorry of it. Here's what I think I don't think what you're doing makes you a bad person or wrong or something that you should feel guilty or even get I don't I don't even feel guilty about what I'm Yeah I don't understand he just conceded he's done it I mean he thinks it's wrong. It shouldn't happen and they could sue him for it And now he's saying like I don't feel guilty like it. Okay. This is the problem This is why you're a bad person. How do you do all those things and they're not real guilty. Okay, same But what I do is disappointed about that It's good for people streamers to start acknowledging the bound there are boundaries And there are certain things you can and cannot do Or there are things that that make it better and there are things that make it worse And I think it's good For react streamers to start acknowledging those things and trying to work to make it better. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I don't work to make it better I don't work to make it better. There you go. Okay. There you go. I do not work ever Me feel better. I want you to do because I want to watch it, right? And uh, if I'm excited about this one topic, I could talk about it with chat It's really made for that the the actual broadcast that we're doing the heavy is better for the chat I think they have a better product. I don't give a fuck If it makes the whole thing better. That's not the one example. I have way well I have yeah, I've gotten criticized. I've gotten criticized a lot for this for many many years and uh regardless of the personal vendetta or the genuine interest that like My interlocutors in those situations had about like Whether it's not what that word means. Well, you didn't get to they didn't get to interlock. You ignored all of them We'll try to they're reading cloud for themselves or whatever um Even though I didn't get very swiftly apologize for it and and tried to make amends for it Uh, and they just refused to recognize that's not what happened We saw what happened that wasn't what happened a little liar He's lying. He was more stubborn than anyone. Yep. It's about how big of a piece of shit I am Made me drop Any pretense of trying to respond to these people all together There are There are aspects to their criticism which I've taken to heart What does it keep looking at over there? What the fuck is it over there that he keeps going back to stare at? I guess this is a big studio. This is something's over there. That's interesting. There must be something shiny And which reflected in his glasses a bunch of screens. I don't know you don't know Hassan, right? Yeah, Hassan's looking to the right from his perspective not not what he's even Supposedly he's looking at the door Livestream even on top of that. I disagree. Um, you know, I guess like the others the main criticism are big blocks Right What what he's changed or what I change when people change are the small things around the blocks But the main blocks of their upset and their criticism have never been changed and will never change That that that will take you No, so he's saying Hassan. So is he saying Hassan hasn't done anything meaningfully different I think he's saying just that the criticism has always been the major blocks have been the same major major Of the argument. I'm not actually a hundred percent sure Problems if you want to bring up the algorithm They have it they have not changed that it's a small little little well I pause when I went to the bathroom. What these are things that nobody gets the fuck about this Side of this is that if pressure here we are mounting in this regard towards the Uh, live streaming and like live streaming uploads onto youtube I'm gonna have to start cracking the dmca whip on my own Hassan eclipses industrial complex like fan channels, right? Guys guys, you know jagas, uh, I think I think even spread the vision is is he's a genius In the middle of a sun's talking. We just heard some pipes drop in the back That is a true epitome of just more of the content and visionary style Creative mindset there. You just drop some pipes. Let's hear it again. I'll be on my own Hassan eclipses industrial complex like fan channels, right because fuck it. You want to drop some pipes? Hey, I got I don't really have much it this is a this is a serial content thief who steals other people's videos Uh, and does everything he can to do to justify his laziness and destruction of the sort of cultural mindset of this entire I guess a form of entertainment And he's going on about the pipes. Yeah I don't I I guess someone dropping pipes Background it sounds like it was an accident. It wasn't a creative choice, but It's transformative I think he meant how quickly he plugged his own stuff He's like like people sometimes come to Hassan Abiy's and they he basically said like a url, but super fast So I think you yeah, I appreciate the hustle there. I believe no there was something drops in the background It makes a sound something fell on the floor Oh, okay, and he's suggesting that it's a bunch of pipes But I don't I don't fucking know what's going on It's not good content in general if you're just like leaving that dead air And if you're not editing it so to in order to make it Oh, so I'll say it's a whip sound bite because he said he's gonna have to crack the whip There you go, but XCC said those were pipes. Well, but The whip crack makes more sense to me The pipes You're talking about And channels that upload your clip wholesale. Yeah, not you. Yeah, vaude rips. Yeah. Yeah, just not me because you will not find I don't think I don't think you'll find a video uh from my own Personal channel where like say I'm not you won't I and I can vouch for that Like uh watching a video with the I will set because we could probably stop here The only thing that happens now is XQC points out that Hasan As essentially the same thing on his channel where the curated sort of edited and finalized videos from his streams end of getting put on youtube and they are still You know They're bordering on on whether or not they're even transformative. There's not that much of a difference between what he does and what XQC does Yeah, and I feel like XQC has a point to point I was like why the fuck are you being all like, oh, I'm the good one when like you basically do Yeah, I'd say like It's kind of is interesting, isn't it? Hasan's being a lot more uh weasley on this one Or is it like XQC is being a bit more blunt and uh, oh, it's way easier to respect XQC on this topic compared to Hasan For sure Oh, sorry go for it I was gonna say I've not watched his son's videos. Are you certain on that? Are you certain it's still No, I've seen this this part is all in here the XQC goes and finds it himself And that's why I'm summarizing it now instead of going through it all It's the because what one thing to bear in mind is like Hasan does this thing where he says Oh, the fan channels do it and I've got no control over that but like that obviously is true XQC goes to his channel and to be fair, they're more edited every time Hasan speaks the camera zooms into him And I think there's a bit of cutting out of like more dead air But the thing is XQC counts him in and he's like that was a whole minute of you not talking and he's eating on some of them But XQC is like how is this different from me and to be fair? I've not got a great Argument for why it isn't similar. It is quite similar And then the another question as well is what about the stuff that doesn't get uploaded to youtube in terms of reaction? Does he still do the thing of getting up? Well, was it was a dev that said that even as recently is like a day ago Yeah, you mentioned yesterday on something. Oh, there you go. Uh, well, okay. Well, yeah Which the other go ahead I was gonna say the other thing that he does as well as he hides behind these fan channels that he's got And uh someone in chat pointed out earlier was a good point But it's like, you know, he kind of does this thing where it's like he gets to benefit from that in some fashion Because normally it'll bring attention to him or his name is in the algorithm and people are seeing him, right? And it'll just be like that's something to do with me But he could stop it if he wanted Of course he could because yeah, that's right And it probably wouldn't even be that hard to he could probably just ask people to stop and name That might be enough to make him stop at least some of them. Anyway And yeah, you're right They're still a utility gain from those fan channels existing and uploading them because they still bring attention to him As a as an entity in terms of funneling into streams That he would have to if he agrees with everything that's been said today He'd have to start stopping them from doing that because they are uploading the things that he's doing without You know, sufficiently transforming them or whatever But of course XQC is trying to point out you already pretty much upload that to your own channel. Anyway, you haven't edited them enough You know, so it's like a big old mess of points that are happening all the ones It's really a fascinating social dynamic, isn't it? Like Hassan like caught between This calls him so much fucking attention because he's trying to win now He just wants to get out. You know, he wants to get out of this. Yeah And I uh, you know For us, it's like the people we've covered in the past. They've been a lot more Um, honest in a negative way. I remember I think it was irrelevant who said You're what I rely on when I'm out of content for the day and meaning youtubers And then Denim's He didn't give a single fuck She would would play a whole stream on other people's content if she could without even being there And then Hassan was probably the worst in terms of he was just going nuts trying to recharacterize everyone's arguments into crazy ones Banning everybody. Yeah, and he called he said jay was a part of a Nazi kill stream Remember that Yeah, where are the kill stream? That's because I think I think the first thing he said was like I think I think what happened was that somebody said Oh, fuck was it as simple as like ifap is Lots of kill stream. They disagree or no no no something that someone said in chat and then he said fuck ifap I don't watch their dog shit content. Yeah, the second you found out we jumped You just heard you've just heard of it. You don't know anything about it Yeah, so, you know, what are we late? It's like well They're all interest. It's all this very self-interested industry. Yeah And so they'll be like well You know If somebody says like fuck it. I don't want you doing it to my stuff then fine I'll stop just because I don't want the hassle of actually getting into a legal fight potentially Or because I don't believe I've transformed it. I'm just using it That's the truth and you know all that needs to be done to fix everything I'm talking about even like mutahar and everyone else who's complaining about it Just transform it everybody be totally fine with it and you have the you have the capability to do it I believe in you we have the technology And whether or not chat so chat has told us in the past We've managed to beat it out of them over time. They're not pause and we're like, you know what? Yeah Too bad So because I mean, yeah part of part of this is on the viewers, right? Like all of the people in ExuCs chat saying stop pausing if that if in larger number they were saying pause and say something That would slowly but surely change the approach that's taken to it because it seems like in Some sense it's driven by essentially community feedback for him Like it comes from the viewership and the expectation that you can go to some guy's stream Essentially have them curate all of the relevant, you know videos that everybody's talking about right now And you're doing that instead of funneling your viewership and you know ad revenue or Supporting on patreon the original creations that you are getting The substantial amount of that value from It's a cultural shift is kind of necessary I would say but There's a closing of the next chapter since this isn't going to fucking end It's like what do you think's going to happen next like it's probably going to get worse. That's probably going to get worse Especially with the onset of everything to do with AI. I feel like that's only going to accelerate things further. I don't know Like this it's worse than with jinx. It's worse now Agreed Maybe jinx will return Anything closing on that subject everybody I I don't I think I need to I need to go as well if uh, you're moving on to something else. No, we're gonna we're gonna head here Oh, okay This will stay for later people don't wait a fight. Yeah No, yeah, sure. I'll stay till the ends completely then that's fine. Well as far as I know we just hit it So chud why don't you tell people where you're at and where to find you? You did an excellent job defending xqc today. I think it was brilliant. Thank you appreciate that Um, I am child logic. I'm a commentary drama guy primarily sometimes talk about politics in a very based way I'm racist, misogynistic, transphobic Come and check me out try logic on youtube is the best place for all of you to find me What have you done recently? What have you covered? I covered the super mega drama in which a woman tried to falsely accuse a man Of sexual assault to try and bring down a youtube channel I staunchly defended the youtube channel and the guy getting falsely accused Wow Oh, wow Sounds dramatic Very dramatic. Yeah Um, well, of course. Thank you for joining us especially for as long as you did good sir pleasure Appreciate it. Yeah, good work. John. Oh wait. You can get you know, you can leave if you don't want If you want to leave it Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm being rude. I'll stay. This is all good. Sorry. Um, I'm waiting go John cjg. What are you up to where people find you? What's what's going on? Uh, john graham on youtube. I Do a show called arby and the chief I did mass chief sucks a halo. That was my first thing So I like to write stories and uh shoot them like movies and upload that And i'm doing a satirical review show now called professional reviews. I just did Zelda and oppenheimer and they're just Total bullshit. I mean, but I have a lot of fun writing them. They're just meant to be funny But yeah So that's what i'm working on right now. I'm sorry to interrupt You did arby and the chief Yeah, yes, no fucking way. I used to watch that show when I no way. That's crazy. I've been sat in the school this whole time I've got a fucking idea Sorry, i'm star struck now Greetings. Oh, thanks, man Wow. Yeah, I love that show. Congratulations on uh, well I don't know what to say if I feel a bit cringe now Uh, don't worry about it. Thank you very much. It's very nice of you Genuine expressions of emotion is cringe as we all know Yay That's really nice to hear from you today Thank you. It's not very red pill of you Um mark the cyborg. What have you been up to wake people find you? Uh, well, if you want to see me playing video games I've mostly been make my way through bouldersgate 3 and final fantasy 14 on my mark the cyborg channel I also have a channel I run with my wife called human cyborg relations Where um, we talk about relationships up mostly and we do normally have a show on saturdays, but um, efap always takes priority Bros, you know the deal, but uh, yeah, and actually on monday I have um the authentic observer galatea coming on to talk about some stuff on my interview show on that channel Um, I guess I could share the link if you want to Share it or sure There you go And this is a show where you what did you say you were discussing sorry? I do we mostly talk about relationships dating communication social skills things like that Most mostly things the part part of why I've likely Spent more time thinking about the idea of social isolation and how that affects people's ability to communicate I kind of started a channel where I maybe maybe Help people work their way through it because I guess if you haven't been able to tell my my communication is not 100% awesome all the time And um, it used to be far worse. So I think there are some people who are Further behind on that road who I could help Yeah, all right Rags free what do you guys want to mention if anything? Oh gosh, I guess nothing really to report work carries on I'm making pretty good progress on things But I'm not certain when the um, I'm not certain when the final product will be finished. So um Yeah, that's uh, I like and really say at the moment Uh, I guess my update is related to your update because it's on the ant-man video I'm very very very very very close to finishing up everything that I need to finish for the uh For the visuals and so Yes, I'm gonna just get real it's very close to the end like I yeah I'll be done with all of my stuff in like a day or two Which uh, just means yeah, hopefully we're making good time in terms of keeping to uh The expected release Yeah For my end it would just be the yeah Got heavily interrupted with a bunch of the react stuff and the The descent eva movies, which if anyone doesn't know that is out on mula go check it out We talk with neil marshall the director about the movie. It's awesome and fun and great and you should yes Probably it's informative magical. Mm-hmm. That was so cool that you had him on Man, yeah, he's legends. Love his movies. Yeah I had max type movie called doomsday. He did it was like Yes, he did Um What else i was gonna say something. Well in any case. Yeah, we got next week We've got two e-fabs that are already planned. So that'll be at them before the anniversary So we'll see you for those that could be friday and saturday We've organized some other stuff Uh, what else would there be? Yeah, I mean i'm basically just gonna be getting back on with with with ant-man fully until I reach the deadline and hopefully it comes out exactly on time As I mentioned before there's one thing that I need to get in place. That's beyond my control So if it isn't in place in time, it may be delayed unfortunately But the video itself is very very close to completion. Yes We're looking forward to seeing it. Yeah, it's a big boy And uh, I'd be curious to see if somebody can uh count that like how many simpson's references there are There are a few yeah There are yeah, there are a few yeah Um, and so yeah, that's it for like I said the next chapter of the react saga I'm sure it'll come up again in a year's time when someone steals something else and everyone will go nuts and We'll rehash everything Um, though we do intend to have a chat with it'll dock viper at some point to go over the Find the details about impressions and stuff that'll be next week Um, and yeah, I mean we'll see you there for that and the other efab that may be happening as well Not a hundred percent certain But um with that, thank you so much for keeping this company and for hanging out with us so long We will uh the donations will be read in a separate video. We'll we'll try and get them out on wednesdays Obviously, we've just been Schedules been filled up as of recently with all kinds of bonus shit If you don't know there are two debate videos that have come out in the form of efab minis on uh Moola as well a lot of stuff just check them out if you want to find some more things to listen to if you want But for now, we shall say good night Thank you all see everybody. Thanks everybody. Bye. Bye. Good night everyone. Bye. Bye. Bye. Say something puppy