 Thank you for staying with us the JAPA syndrome is what the current use of Nigeria have been diagnosed with as they continue to flee our motherland for greener pastures in other countries. I really hope I pronounce JAPA rights as I've been told that I don't get the P. Before diving into this discussion we must first understand the true meaning of the brain drain. Now brain drain is the departure of educated or professional people from one country, economic sector or field for another, usually for better pay or living conditions. So why does this happen? Can we blame the people that permanently leave their countries in hopes of better opportunities for themselves and their families? And finally, with the rates at which this is happening, will our motherland survive the rapid loss of her best and brightest? Let's talk about it. Remember you can join the conversation, send an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-84663 and follow us on all our social media platforms. What do you think? Oh wow, guys. So a lot, especially people our age in our friendship groups and everything, as soon as you know IGC and C results just came out, A level results just came out. We know Nigerians are smart so obviously our grades are good enough to be able to send your kids abroad. That's what parents are doing. They're sending their kids abroad for better education, better lifestyle, better everything. So they're sending their kids to the US, to the UK, Canada. Guilty. Just because the education system in Nigeria is not really one that you would want to put your child in in order to become successful. Medical students in Nigeria are spending up to 10 years in uni just to come up with a degree and not be able to go anywhere to work. That's crazy. Like I had a conversation with one of my doctors and we were talking about what I wanted to do in the future. I want to become a pulmonologist and he told me there are only like seven of them in Nigeria and I'm like seven people. Seven people. Seven qualified people in Nigeria that are pulmonologists. All the rest of them have gone abroad. The rest of them have gone to the US, to the UK. They're aiding those countries, allowing them to have a better healthcare system, instead of coming back to Nigeria and allowing them to, what's it called, help people back home. Yeah. It's really crazy. And I'm so sorry it's cultural. I wanted to just say something. Even before you mentioned that, the JAKPAS, even I don't get the P, the JAKPAS syndrome that we are like currently experiencing in Nigeria, there's actually a very distinct difference between that and brain drain. Because like you rightly said, brain drain is like when the educated individuals migrate, but then JAKPAS does not apply to anybody. Any shape, any size, any form. As long as you can find a way to leave, you'll go. It's gotten so bad that right now, other countries like the US, UK and Canada, like you said, are even reluctant to give people from Nigeria visas to go out. Because it's like they'll say, I'm going for a visiting visa. I'm going on holiday. When you now get there, you go off the radar. You'll disappear. And nobody can find you again. It's like, so why should we trust these people that are even trying to come out of their own economic system when they're just going to come and lie to us. And everybody is doing it. So it's like, you don't even have to have gone to school. As long as you can find that plug that will get you to where you want to go. And that is what we're going to call JAKPAS. When you talk about JAKPAS, there's such a stark difference though. Because even though I go to school in the UK, I wanted to have JAKPAS. Let me tell you why. JAKPAS, like the word JAKPAS means to escape. I'm not really escaping from anything. I can come here and I'll find a job. A lot of people that are JAKPAS are going to places because Nigeria doesn't have the opportunities for them. And since we're so privileged, then not everyone is JAKPAS. I think we're losing the term moving with JAKPAS. JAKPAS means escape. Don't come back. Don't come back. Why do you look at it from that perspective? Because that leans very much towards like your financial situation and your standard of living. Regardless of that, do you say that you used to be able to thrive in this country, regardless of whether or not you would come here and find a job? Do you think you'll find a job that would be, let's say, intellectually stimulating for you or would actually even properly align with the cost that you're doing? For instance, somebody like Iter, Iter is privileged, but Iter wants to be a pulmonologist and there aren't a lot of jobs for pulmonologists in Nigeria. So in a way, everybody that's living is still Japan. Just let it slide. We're all still Japan because we're all still looking for better opportunities. We're all trying to escape. Even though we may have better standards of living than others, we're still escaping because our own perception of reality can't align with what Nigeria has in store for us. Yes. You see, let's say, for instance, somebody who works in a shopping mall or like a grocery store, minimum wage outside of this country. If you're earning minimum wage in Canada, that's like $12, $15 per hour. But if you convert that to Naira, that's, I want to say, like $15,000. No, no, that's crazy, actually, like $10,000 or something per hour. But if you come to Nigeria, the minimum wage in Nigeria, that's $30,000 per month. Per month. What? $30,000 can't feed anyone in this economy right now because four prices are going up, groceries are going up, tickets. And inflation rate is so high that it's crazy. Like you have $30,000, but that $30,000 can buy you two lollipops. Exactly. And that's it. It's so easy to be like, stay here, stay in your country, make a difference, which we should do. But then we must also understand that people are just trying to make it through. They're trying to not even just do the best for themselves. Parents are gathering all their funds to send their children abroad, just so at least their children can get even a mediocre job and be sending them some money so they can still try and thrive in this country. So I can't say if you remember what day it was. I think it was last week. I actually, both of us, we went to my mom to go and interview a very controversial and interesting man. His name is Delay Faroutime. And then it was essentially about the topic was renewed hope versus our current reality or something like that. And he tried to specialise the trajectory of the topic towards what we're talking about, which is the brain drain. And then when he was explaining it, I was so moved because this guy is very... So much passion. So much passion against people living this place. But then when you think he's like, we should stay and we should fight. But then if you're going to fight, knowing forward that you are losing everything in that fight, how can you do that with the same level of passion? For Delay Faroutime, I don't mean to put in point fingers or anyone, but then if you look at him, he's a very well educated man. And then his standards of living are very high. If Nigeria was going through the worst economic depression that's ever seen since 1960, he will still be okay. It's not everybody that can go through that. So when he's telling the rest of us, particularly those who aren't even as privileged as us, that are sitting down here to stay and fight for what? Well, and how will you even fight? What are you going to fight? No, because even with the definition of the brain drain that I said, it's talking about people that are educated, coming to benefit the economy. Do you know how much potential we have in Nigeria? Do you know how many geniuses are here that they do? They haven't been able to enter a classroom and learn how to hone that. When they go to these schools abroad and they're able to get more opportunities, rags to reach a straight up, where are you seeing that in Nigeria? It's like an artist having talent without a paintbrush and a canvas. We have so much potential as Nigerians. Everywhere you go, everyone's like, oh my gosh, are you a Nigerian? Oh, I hear Nigerians are so smart. I go out of the country and I'm so proud to be a Nigerian. Then I come back home and I'm like... Have you ever, if you've asked me what I'm going to study, what I plan to study in the future, I'll tell you one word, mechatronics. And every time I say that to someone who's asking me, a Nigerian. So I now have to explain myself. I'm like, okay, mechatronics is this combination of mechanical engineering and robotics and design systems and control systems and computer science or whatever. And then I have to explain how it's applied and how you can use it. But the reason why they don't even get it in the first place is because it doesn't even exist in Nigeria. So if you want to... Okay, I have been doing math and physics since as far as long as I can remember. And this is the thing I've dedicated my passion to. This is what I want to do with my career. If I can't do that in Nigeria, then aren't I just wasting the talents that I've been given? Exactly. So how do you not expect me to stay when I know that I could go and do what I need and want to do somewhere else? Exactly. The youth of our future, but then... Yeah, about that. A lot of Nigerians were underemployed or were unemployed. We have the skills, underemployed, we're in jobs that we could work more hours. We could make more money, we could make more profit. But we just can't do them because as you said, there's no sector for them. Like for example, I want to get into computer science and econ. But that sector is not that big. Because we're just not in Nigeria. We're not in Nigeria. So a lot of us are just underemployed. We don't have the resources to get into the things that we want. Yeah, definitely. Because you see, okay, fine. I'm going out of Nigeria to get a better education. Why can't I get that education in Nigeria? That's the question they were asking me. At the time, my grandma loves to say this. She's just like, did you know what they called? People from the West, they used to come to the University of Ibado. Every year, everyone used to wear everything. Why can't we boast about that now? Because things have changed. The circumstances are different now. The thing is we have, there is no maintenance culture when it comes to Nigeria. Because everything is so predominantly based off of that survival mindset. So if it's not happening now, then it's irrelevant. Exactly. So we don't think ahead, we won't build anything. All of these universities that are talking about the UI, the Unilag event, it was those days that they were really raining. But then they didn't keep on sustaining them. Exactly. For them, they had no incentive. At that point in time, they were enjoying their glory for being one of the most recognized universities in the world. But where are they now? You can tell that the education was not truly valued. If we valued education in Nigeria, then everybody in Nigeria would at least have free primary education. Yes. Because you would say that that's what the children need. Like I was saying before, the children are a future until it's time for you to give them the resources to actually let them make a change. Yes. You're like, you are the future. You are the change. Gen Z stand up and do what? And do what? I'm trying to think, what should I do? And do it all. Going back to what Alpha was saying about maintenance. There was somebody that was just like, I just love Nigeria. Like if I could live here, I would live here. But the only issue is our maintenance culture. A rich man would build a three-story house, seven bed, eight baths, movie theater in the house, kitchen bigger than my whole house. Do you get it? And the moment like, let's say an AC breaks. Oh, I'll fix that later. Your light bulbs are flashing. I'll fix that later. But you still have the money to buy two million Naira TV because that's what everybody's coming into your house to see. So now, let me picture this. Let's say it wasn't a house. Let's say it was a hospital, right? And in this hospital, one surgical needle gets missing. We'll buy another one. There are no status codes that I can actually do it. That's what we'll get to later. Yeah, it's okay. Now it's small. The MRI scanner isn't even working anymore. It's not even working. No, but we don't need it here. We'll get to it later. How do you know expect doctors who have spent ten good years of their life trying to learn how to use these things? Expect, how do you expect them to stay there when they know that they have worked to get the qualifications that they have received? Exactly. To still come and receive the same kind of situation or circumstances to work with? How do you want them to still thrive in those circumstances when they leave? Exactly. So it's there. It's crazy. It's crazy beyond just, oh, I just want to escape. I just want to go and live life. Do UK gangsta do that. It's not that. It's thinking that I want my talent to be... I want to make a change. I want to make it different. It's really different. Like, you know, and sometimes you need to think about the people that you're providing for back in your country. Yeah. And do you know what's funny? This thing about the brain dream, my mom is always saying this. Nigerians, right? All we ask for is the barest minimum. As far as we don't need that two million era, although some guys do want to flash around and everything, but we don't need that. All we need is good lights, good water, housing and good food. Once we have that, everything else is sorted. All the people that have migrated to the countries, the UK, US, Canada, it's not all of them that are millionaires in those countries. They're like average people, but they're still loving and enjoying their lives because they have the basic infrastructure to just sort themselves out. And that's what Nigeria likes. So if the circumstances were different and we did have those, then maybe people won't believe in as much as they are right now. Exactly. About living, like even because we don't have a lot of security in Nigeria, a lot of people feel unsafe in Nigeria. Yeah, definitely. Kidnappings recently on trains and all that. It's such a, almost an epidemic. People are barely taking public transport as much as they did before. Yeah. So a lot of people are migrating to places that they feel are safer. Yeah. Of course. Like for example, in Europe, 3 million Nigerians are like enrolled in schools. In schools. School. That's like 3 million. 3 million that could come back and like make our economy so much better. Yeah. And like if you see, okay, so we're talking about brain drain, it's our intellectual or smart or educated people leaving the country. What does that leave us with? 76 million people in Nigeria are illiterate. Is it those 76 million people that we're going to expect to make the country a better place? The ones that are left behind, let's do something for them at least. Because now we know, okay, those ones that have gone, they've gone. We can't do anything about it right now. So in order to make them at least have something to do, government needs to provide education. They need to provide a good healthcare system. They need to provide what's called just better lifestyle, better living. Why is it that a lot of people on the streets, like you were saying the other day, that you were walking along the streets and people were hulking, people were begging, gee, I see the same man along that freedom way. You're asking me the same one. If you are just tuned in, we are discussing the brain drain syndrome in Nigeria. Please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation by sending us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-84663. And because it's a special, the phone line is going to be open all week. So you can call us on 070-250-077-49. If you call, please remember to turn down the volume of the device so we don't get any feedback. Now, we're going to start off with a comment, says, on the topic of immigration, can we talk about the use of fake marriages to get permanent residenties abroad? Green card. Are we desperate? I thought I had made this clear. Nigeria is a very creative people. No, it's just really interesting. If you find a way, you will find a way. There are so many different tactics that these people that we have used to just escape our own reality here. So I'm never surprised. Fake marriages. Fake marriages. No, but you guys, do you think that this is also influenced by just the general lack of patriotism? Like, do Nigerians even like Nigeria at all? No, they do. Yeah, I think they do. Let's take Naremali. Naremali means that song, Jaffa. That song, 2018. A few weeks before he made it, he made it a goal because of the World Cup. He was very patriotic. No, but patriotism isn't just celebrating the wins of your country. It's defending your country and also being conscious of how you portray your country. Nigerians are so loud about our problems. But we're also proud and loud about our good things. That's the thing, but you need to be there in the good and the bad. Do you get what I mean? I get it. Like, as a Nigerian, it's not every day that you wake up and your prayer is, ah, I hate this country. How do you know how many people my age have heard say I'm going to go and burn my passports? Why? Because you see, during the World Cup, the FA World Cup, in lots of Nigerians, especially in the diaspora, oh, go, super far, go on. Like, Nigeria is my country. Nigeria is my country. When the full prices are going down, when the dollar is 950, I'm not Nigerian. My passport is blue. Yeah, I'm actually like, quarter Polish, quarter American. Like, I agree with you. Staying the good and the bad. Like, I'm very much guilty of doing that, but it's something that you have to just think about and be like, you know what? This is my country. This is my ethnicity. This is my nationality. Exactly. Yeah. And there's something that reflects even in our leaders as well. When you see patriotic leaders, they're not going to come and start doing things that are going to damage their country and damage the citizens of their country. Now, I don't want to compare us to the United States, but listen, these people, they're very intense leaders, but you can't tell that they love America. Americans love America. They love it so much that they make their business their business all the time. So the Nigerian leaders, I don't see the love there. I don't see the my country, our country, my people, our people. It's not just when you're coming and celebrating the different tribes. Oh my God, this culture is so beautiful when they do this. You have to be in there, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Yeah. Like those are the points where South Africans just did not want to leave South Africa because they had great infrastructure, great education, great roads, great government, great everything that they were just like, what's the point of going to another country when I have everything I have in my country? That's why I want to say their economy is like one of the best in Africa because they all decided to stay, they all decided to make South Africa what they wanted it to be. Well, now we can't really speak the same. But I really want Nigeria to reach a point where no one is saying that, oh, I want to leave, I want to do this, like everyone is like, oh, I want to come back, I want to come back, I want to come back because of the opportunities present in Nigeria. It seems that people only want to come back when it's December. Oh, definitely. Yeah, when there's things to do when you can post, it's called in the UK, it's called in the US, come back to Nigeria, go on vacation. Go for the concerts, everything. It's honestly just 100% ridiculous. And if you look at it again, I remember when I was, I'm not going to completely digress from Nigeria but let's even look at South Africa in general. Well, we'd come back to Nigeria, but Africa in general. I go to the African Leadership Academy, right? This is a very short story. In my school, I thought I was going to the UK because everybody was going to the UK and I was like, I'm going to be a UK buddy, you know, going to the UK, everything, my proper jacket, and all my friends were going there. So that was the thing, you go to DWC, after I go to DWC, you go to the UK. You go to the UK, whatever. Then my dad broke the news to me, he's like, yeah, you're applying to ALA and I was like, yeah, I'll apply to ALA, let me apply to my other schools as well. I got into ALA, my dad said, ah, thank God, we've come to draw the application from all the other schools now. So I was like, okay, cool, I'm going to ALA, I started doing my research, I was excited. When I told you I was clowned, I was clowned just because I was staying in Africa and I was actually feeling like, I'm so ashamed to say this now but I remember talking to my friends and hiding my face, they're like, oh, where are you going to school? And I'm like, oh, I'm going to school in South Africa and I'm covering my face. I'm like so many Nigerian teens and Nigerian youth feel like that. The fact, even if you're going to A-Levels or University of Nigeria, you're like, oh, I'm going to University of Nigeria, but don't worry, I'm doing my master's abroad. You should worry. Yeah, yeah, a lot of them, they're like, oh, I'm waiting for my visa. Yeah, I'm waiting for my visa to come out. But can we go back to that visa issue? I know we want to leave the country, but guys, guys, why are we waiting one, two years for a visa to go to a place that doesn't even want you? They are doing us dirty and we're taking it. We're taking it. We're sitting down and we're begging, well, please release my visa. And they don't want us. Who needs someone's passport for six months to a year? You're not even allowed to go anywhere. You're stranded in a country. Guys, I feel like the impact on, of this entire brain drain on the economy is like so, so deep, because the reason why these people are even trying to keep us in our own country, think about it like this, maybe they see it from our own point of view. Imagine, let's say these guys just don't want us to leave because they're like, okay, who is now going to stay and help you guys fix your own problems. So maybe in that way, they're trying to help us, to help ourselves, but then we don't want to see it because the situation is just too messed up for us. They don't even think of trying in the first place. It's really, it's saddening sometimes, because, but then you also see people getting rejected from visa applications because they're like, oh, we don't see proof of you returning back to your home country. Yeah. Obviously, like that's the only reason I'm going, why am I going to Canada to go and enjoy the code? Nigerians don't like code. What are we going there to do? What are we going there to enjoy the weather? Yeah, that's the problem. I'm not going there to enjoy the code. So I have a comment, and then it says, good evening. On the topic of immigration, it will also help if people who have jackpad could at least share their knowledge or information to improve our home country, Nigeria. That's one. Two, because most people keep leaving. I'm too sorry to interrupt you right now, but we're having a phone call. A phone call? Yeah, hello. Hi, Tomiwa. Hello. I am calling somebody that's, first of all, I wanted to thank you guys for doing this well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I haven't even experienced what I've been watching. And on the topic of immigration, I think it will also really help if Nigeria's are brought to like 90 ways to support like Nigeria in Nigeria. So it really does come down to what I'm talking about education, because courses do test there like more, you know, advanced and different. And it's like, you don't really find some certain courses in Nigeria. Like Adra said, you really find like computer science or economics, you know, in Nigeria, and it would really help if like, they could at least find a way to, you know, share the knowledge that we have on some of those things. Because those who do have those bad knowledge in particular, they do tend to know what they offer quite expensive, which is not really, you know, ideal or like easy. And it's like, overall, it's just better of going to abroad to learn the course. It is going to be like just as expensive in Nigeria. That leads me to my second point on some of the like, even other international students, you know, they see are, they're not, they're not being, like, you see, they unfortunately inflate the prices of the international school for students because they know they're like, students use, you know, school and things like that to escape from their country. Basically, like Nigeria, India, Pakistan, like they use, you know, and like, they process, basically, from all these countries because they are students, they're just using like, these things are the way to like, escape their thing. And I think in terms of comparing Nigeria to, you know, England or like I think to be fair, Nigeria is like, it's still quite young to be US or England. Like, so I feel like Nigeria doesn't have a really long way to go. But, you know, whatever will happen, the generations that will turn it around. I think yeah, that's the all the points I have to make. So thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Oh, something that she said that really like stuck to me, or stuck with me rather. She said that Nigeria is relatively young. I agree with that. When the problem of being young and letting that be our own excuse for inefficiency at this point in time is the fact that the world is moving faster than it had ever moved before. So it's like, everybody just leaving us behind. If you go and check what you're doing in terms of technology in Japan or in the US, in Silicon Valley, you will just be like, do those? Are we dumb? Like it's sometimes, when you see where everyone else is going, the resists in it want to have what they have. I guess that's the major reason apart from even the more opportunities and lack of infrastructure that most people are migrating out of the country. All right. Before you guys can talk, I want to take the next comment I was supposed to take before. It says because most people keep leaving because of limited information, maybe on something they want to study. This is exactly what I and Andorra were saying about me, my electronics and her computer science because there truly is limited information like Nigeria is no Silicon Valley and we all know that. So if you want to actually get a quality education after how much your parents have paid, you won't be looking for it here. But do you know, I was having a conversation with my dad last night and he was talking about something called the solution driven mindset, right? So when you are in a country filled with problems such as this beautiful country that we are in, you can't choose to see those problems as we're seeing it here. So if everybody is looking at, okay, for instance, we have problems with infrastructure. Look at an innovative way to solve it. Don't try, like the main problem with going abroad to try and have a higher standard of living is that you're just getting directly into the system. You're falling into a 95, you're living in monotony for like the rest of your life. You come to Nigeria, you solve a problem, you leave a legacy, you play it. Because there are so many problems. I don't think it's like, I cannot talk because I have had like, I've been privileged enough to have standard good quality education, right? But like I said before, Nigerians are so naturally intelligent. Like even my mother told me about this guy that in her secondary school that could probably see answer just flash in front of him. Like when they ask him any math question, it just appears to him. Like these are people that can solve our problems and they will get rewarded for it and so will our country. We will grow. I think what we're really saying is in order to stop or try and hinder brain drain, we need to educate the people left over. So then that becomes a question of now, how are we now going to enable them to get a better education? There are a lot of non-profits that are having this initiative to educate the young minds and everything like that. I remember we had one here. But then there are not enough people trying to support that idea because people are now like, because Nigerians always have that mentality other Nigerians can possibly succeed without having a little bit of fraud here and a little bit of dishonesty here. So no one's really supporting these organizations. So I feel like if we really truly find an organization to support because I won't lie, it's not really looking like our government has that as a priority. So if we ourselves can take up the mantle and say, okay, we're going to fix this, then I think it can be possible, it can be done. I agree with you. And there's this thing, like I was saying before, Nigerians are very, because of the survival mindset, we are very, very like, I want this now. I want this to happen now and this should happen today. It should happen yesterday. So because of that, we won't be able to actually see that solution fully manifest because after the first two or three months and we see that, okay, not everybody in Nigeria is automatically educated. We stop. And that's the problem. There's this thing that I was reading on. It's called the Dunning-Kruger Effect. And then it essentially explains the progress of someone's mastery in any setting scale at any point in time. In this case, education of Nigerian youth to combat brain drain. So you start at this, this is how it, right? It's like you know everything or you think you know everything. You started well. And then all of a sudden, you realize that you are a small fish in a very, very big ocean, which is what we are right now. We're seeing the entire world revolving around us, light years ahead of what we have technology-wise. So we all of a sudden plunge into this depression. And then if you don't continue, you have to keep- I'm so sorry to cut you off. Oh my God. But we have another caller. Hold on to that because I really like where you're going. Do not forget. Lola Dei. Hi. Joan. Hi. Because the day is amazing. Thank you. Thank you. This evening. Thank you. So I have two points to say. All right. Something for, I think the problem of Nigeria actually stemmed from Nigerians. And these are like my two points going in. The first one is, I feel like Nigerians need to behave out of the country. But when they come, sorry, Nigerians behave. After the country, when they come back into Nigeria, they can mess around. They can drive around without their drivers license. They can talk anyhow to the police. Okay. The police was going to be lost. But the second thing I also have to say is that to December, I think that to December actually caused this decline of this country in the sense that when everyone comes from December and they come and party and go to all these clubs, then they leave. And they were dry again. The traffic has gone. And it is now, I just know that December is there. It's okay to be walking into the concert because we can't Uber anymore. Uber parties are up. So yeah, the basis of my thinking is Nigeria. We also have to work internally to solve the problems of this country. It is everyone. Bye. 100%. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. No, I 100% agree. So we will expanches on that but I will finish what you were saying. Yeah. Okay. So as I was saying, this is where we were and right now, this is where we are like in a state of depression and because we don't have the patience to let this thing take its course, we have stopped, right? We are still developing but then first actually gets where it's a slow climb, right? If you check the graph, it really looks like this. And none of our following, we think that it's the end, but it's really not. If we kept on pushing for ourselves to be more educated and kept on supporting these organizations that we're talking about, eventually we'll keep on climbing. And then when you finally reach that up again, you have true mastery. In that time, in that time, we'll be actually self-sufficient and be able to combat our own problems. Yeah. Just like Lola Day was saying, she was saying something about us misbehaving when we're back in the country but behaving ourselves outside. Yeah. It's like, you know that your favorite teacher that doesn't really give you any punishments or anything like that. So you feel like, oh, okay, like I can just say whatever I want to say, I can just do whatever I want to do. And then when the strict teacher comes in and you're like, all like back straight and everything like that. So I think that's, it's very much a thing of, we're too comfortable in our own country that like you're saying, why to stand still? Like we're just like, okay, I don't care. But if you're in another country, they're like, oh, okay, these people look like they have a better lifestyle, a better living. I know guys have structure. Exactly. About accountability system. That strict teacher will always punish you when you mess up. Exactly. You know, you can't escape once you do something. So you won't try to even do it. I'm also going, when you're in the U.K., the U.S., wherever you are, you have, there's more risk. Exactly. Imagine getting a phone call to your parents, saying, that you're going, that's the story. My gosh. That you have to go home and claim back to Nigeria. Exactly. There's more freedom in Nigeria because you know, this is our home. Exactly. You know that the last, last, they cannot take our passports. Even if it's not even, this is our home. They just don't take anything seriously. Everybody's in danger. We don't have respect for others. This afternoon, I was crossing the road, right? Like it was like, every cars were just assuming I was with my parents. They were zebra crossing. And then the cars were just going, pa, pa, pa. And my dad, like, my dad now makes this joke about how in Nigeria, they don't even care about the zebra crossing. My mom would say, if someone hits you, and you say, the zebra crossing, they say, are you a zebra? But then if you go, like a boy, if you go to the U.K., that's like your life, your daughter. Yeah. You're going straight to jail. Like, we just respect other people's rules so much that we forget about respecting ourselves. Exactly. Like, if we all came back to Nigeria with that sort of mindset, but then again, our authority, they're not doing any repercussions to anybody. The moment you just pay somebody 1,000 naira on the road, they're letting you go for having either a broken brake light or anything. This is an obvious non-dense event. If you pay them 1,000 naira, they'll be like, ah, am I, ah, come on, I'm more than that. Like, you see things they're like, people are going to jail for having a broken brake light. Have you seen our marowas on the road? I'm so sorry to cut you short. Hello. Hello. Good evening. Good evening. Yeah, my name is Kennedy. I'm calling from Portugal. Hi, Kennedy. Good evening, Kennedy. Good evening. My contribution on the topic of the 90s, you know, we, someone just called now and talked about how Nigerians behave when they are abroad and the way they also behave when they are Nigerians. I think I'm right. Hello. Hello. Can I have a question with you? Can you hear me? Here we go with you, yeah. Hello. Hello. I'm saying that, yes. When it comes to, therefore, to stop the brain drain in Nigeria, I think I want to blame the government. I want the government to be more ready to come forward with their duties. You know, because we go outside there and we have this law that the people will be failure to obey the law, you are arrested or you are banned or all those things. If you don't do that in Nigeria, people will continue to jaguar to the countries where those things work. The truth is we are all human beings. We like things to be done well. But in Nigeria, we don't seem to do anything well here. So you continue to see people living in this country, until the government defies to soak in, we are going to start enforcing our laws. It's nothing more than that. There is no Nigeria that wants to live in Nigeria. Our weather is the best. We prefer to eat our food. We like our way of life. The people you see live in Nigeria doesn't really enjoy their pay outside the country. But don't have any choice because there, the law is being obeyed. They think they can make a good living over there. So all the government needs to do is enforce our laws. And you see people stay back here and enjoy their lives. We should stop talking about people just, nobody should go out. They must go where you have a country where the security is on their eyes. The roads are not good for you. You buy your car, you can struggle to buy a car. But there is no good road to ride your car on. You want to live. That's your thing. So thank you. That's my contribution. Thank you. Good night, everyone. I mean, I blame the government. I blame the upper class people that can't help but aren't helping. I blame everybody. We can't make it a blame game. It's sincerely speaking. So if we're going to think about this problem from a more solution during perspective, I think like it's probably mentioned before, we need to actually involve the diaspora in solving this. All of those are friends that we know that are outside the different countries. We need to start to engage them to come back and try to actually help us to bring ourselves out of this mess. Yeah, you were going to say something. Maybe we just got a comment from Graham Abraham-A-Jor. He says, I know this doesn't directly relate, but like if you notice, even after Nigerians flee outside the country, we still stay connected and show ourselves support. Like during Nsars, here in Nigerians in France, the UK and some other countries were protesting abroad to show their support. Because even if we don't directly show our love for the country, we still wouldn't want it to fail. And the respect we have for one another is unrivaled abroad. Because like if you meet a fellow Nigerian abroad, automatically you're friends. Yeah, friends, yeah. Always one of the major topics are the problems. I am so, so sorry, but we have a caller. Hello. Oh, I'm feeling today. Hello. Hello. Hi. Hi, good evening. Good evening. Hello, good evening. Yeah, this is Lawman from Adya State. I know this guy. Good evening, my dear beautiful sisters. I thank you all because listening to you people, you all want time to let us know why people go out, why things that make people go out, it makes me happy. That's how I feel. I'm starting realizing the reason why we have great dreams in this country. See, I just want to give one word for you people. If the youth, the middle age, the older ones will come together and come and ally us. And we part and say, so far this present politician, so far we are born, born no more for that. He's making people to leave this country. We stand our ground. We make sure that the judiciary give us good government. The electoral empire make sure the right person that won the next one will give it to that person. When we come together and start demanding for that, there will be no more grand plan. People will love staying in Nigeria. Things will go further. Thank you and God bless you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I wanted to say something. I think it was one kind of equal that he said, he blames the government. Now in Nigeria, all of us know we operate a democracy. But I don't think we do operate a democracy. Quoting a Brahmin because it's a government for the people, by the people of the people. But then we are the people. So it's like if we don't actually involve ourselves in this so-called government that we're putting the blame on, then there is no way that we're going to be able to stop all of these things that are causing people to move in the first place. Like if you just don't choose to bribe the policeman and you get arrested, if one person does it today, 5,000 people do it tomorrow, 500,000 people do it the next day, automatically they will have to stop because they know that it's not getting them anywhere. So it's great to take a while, but then if we started working together like Loma was saying, as people, not as a so-called arbitrary government that we don't have any direct connection with, then we'll actually be able to get somewhere. So one last comment. This one's rather long. Good evening, my unique Gen Z's. Good evening. Good evening. The issue of growing the rice we eat by ourselves, it has been in operation since around 2016 when the border was closed to discourage imported ones. But how many Nigerians are buying it? They prefer to buy the rebugged, expired imported ones. On the celebration of thrift shop day, to me, it is a scam in Nigeria that I have tried to patronize to be giving you a discount of something like 10,000. Is that a discount? On the issue of brain drain, I believe until there's law compelling our leaders in particular to use government schools, hospitals, locally made food, including ETC, there won't be improvement in our country and hence increase in japa for greener pastures. I'm impressed with all your contribution. Keep it up. Thank you. This is Ladi Enidji from Ajah. Thank you. Thank you so much. On the topic of just what you said about the brain drain, I just wanted to say something really quickly just in a solution-driven perspective. I think technology is a perfect solution to all of this and investing in that would be able to solve this in a lot of rural areas, urban areas, everywhere. Right? So it would just ways in which you can create autodidactic leaders, people that can take control of their own learning and hone their own talents, for instance, your greater physics engineering. This is our woman instead. She's our med girl and I write, I make music. Let's be a Spotify. Thank you very much. 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