 Okay, good afternoon everybody and welcome to the September 20th City of Santa Rosa Cultural Heritage Board meeting We'll go ahead and begin with a call to order and a roll call. Mr. Buckeye Have roll call Board member boring here Board member Carney here board member fennel is absent and board member Klein Here board member Marslyn here Board member Garrett or sorry vice chair Garrett here chair Meezer Here let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of a board member fennel Okay, thank you and moving on to item two approval of minutes Do we have any additions deletions changes to the August 16th, 2023 draft minutes? Seeing none We'll leave them as read I have three public comments at this time when a person any person may address Matters not listed on this agenda, but which are within the subject matter of the jurisdiction the public may comment on agenda items when the Item is called each speaker is allowed three minutes I miss Buckeye. Do we have anybody who'd like to Chair Musa, I'm not seeing any members of the public here in person and we have no participants via zoom Hey, thank you. I'll close a public comment Hey item for board business. I'll read our statement of purpose Principal duties of the board include undertaking and updating historic inventories and surveys recommending designation of landmarks and preservation districts Reviewing proposed alterations to historic buildings and promoting public awareness of preservation issues If you are in a historic district and would like more information regarding historic districts Please see the processing review procedures for historic owners of historic properties Item 4.2 board member reports. Do we have any reports from board members anybody been involved in any? fun activities Okay Seeing none we'll close board member reports, but actually before I do that. I'll open it up for public comment Chair Musa since nobody had any board member reports that no public comment is needed Hey moving on we don't have anything and other Tonight so we'll move on to a miss Murray with the department reports Good afternoon chair Musa and members of the cultural heritage board. I want to open with an apology I I made you a commitment at the meeting of August 16th that I would send out some dates For an upcoming workshop, and I was reminded of that by chair Musa earlier today And so I have sent them they're on your email when you get home I'm going to let you know those dates are October 18th is the first one We have another item pending on that agenda, and it's something that you will all be very interested in But I we don't know for sure that it's there, so I'm going to throw out these dates October 18th November 1st and 15th and December 6th or 20th. I I I'm always a little hesitant on things that are going to draw public attention for doing it near the holidays So if we can avoid that December 20th, I think it would be best But all the other dates look good So if you could just look at your emails when you get home, let me know if you are If it looks like you'll be available now on those dates I'm not asking you to reserve them But what I will do is try to block an agenda for the the workshop so we don't have other items We can do it in a round table discussion in another room where we're Recorded and televised or live streamed. I guess it is these days Yeah, so if you could do that that would be great I think that that the board training that'll serve as a really good training opportunity and Given the amount of new faces that we have that'll be really helpful And paramount really to some of the projects coming through the pipeline And I also want to talk about some staffing changes throughout the city Claire Hartman our deputy director I'm sorry our director our beloved director has is no longer with the city and Gabe Osborne Who's from our engineering development services team will be the interim director for planning and economic development? We have quite a few staffing changes going on through the department right now, so just want to give you the heads up we have Within the planning division Amy Lyle supervising planner has accepted another job and she's she's also left the planning team Amy Nicholson sitting to my left here Formerly the supervising planner for the current development team has done a lateral transfer over to Had the advanced planning team this group that's doing your your general plan presentation and And yeah, and we don't have anybody filling that current planning supervising planner position yet or the current development And I think oh, I also there's also a number of retirements going on in within our department So we're going to see kind of some some maybe so slowdowns or you know Longer lead times, but we're going to take full advantage of that and get the training that we need here and keep these meetings rolling So and that concludes department reports Okay, thank you. I just wanted to add some information regarding the workshop And miss Murray brought up two points that I was going to ask for which I'm real happy and what one is That we wouldn't have anything else on the agenda for the workshop We picked a and then the other it was that we'd be able to do it possibly across the street, you know I interact more of a round table And then the other thing is is I kind of want to make a commitment to everybody that we won't take more than two hours of your time Okay, well we'll limit the workshop To two hours miss Murray and I are going to be working together to create a presentation that basically is going to I think our goal is to walk walk everybody through a process of getting a major landmark alteration permit and to walk you through The policies and the procedures and the costs associated with doing that and And walk you through the information that's available to the general public Probably at this first workshop that'll probably take up the two hours and then the board we can get together and decide where we want to go from there, but It's it's basically To start out with getting a really good background for everybody so that then we can we can move forward from there I just like to interject there I can't guarantee that there won't be anything else on the agenda if we do get it We can't yeah, we can't block them completely, but I will be I will make sure that we don't have a late-night meeting I've been here for those 11 o'clock meetings, and they're no fun Okay, thank you very much So Moving on statements of abstention because we don't really have any items on the board. We probably don't have any abstentions tonight and No consent items So that moves us to our scheduled item 8.1 study session draft general plan Santa Rosa prevented presented by Sherry meets so we'll turn it over to you. Thank you There we go. That's always the trickiest part for me. I never trust myself with the technology So thank you for being patient while I load the presentation as you mentioned. My name is Sherry Meads I'm a senior planner on the advanced planning team. I'm joined here with as Susie just introduced Amy Nicholson who is now the supervising planner for the advanced planning team and my amazing colleague Beatrice Guerrero Anna who is also Commanaging the general plan update process, which is what we're here to talk about tonight So I usually have this down pat But I've had a little bit of a stressful week So I might use my notes a little bit more. Please bear with me a general plan plays the foundational role in Regulating how a city should manage growth and change over a specified time a general plan includes land use goals and Land use policies and actions that together provide a roadmap to guide city department work programs and budgeting In addition to land use the general plan looks at really anything that makes up a community So this would look at things like economic development safety Public services and facilities parks open space air quality Among other community aspects So what we're talking about is really anything that we consider making Santa Rosa so great Why are we such a livable city? Why do people want to live here all of those aspects of the community are addressed in the general plan? So we are talking today about the general plan update and it's been a multi-year process It's called Santa Rosa forward because when we started out we were like how do we want to move Santa Rosa forward into the future? It provides an important opportunity for the community to Discuss the biggest challenges and opportunities facing Santa Rosa today and into the planning horizon year of 2050 So what that means is we're looking at anything that we want to see Happen in the city between now and the year 2050. So that's a long time and that's why this is really important We have an existing general plan. It was adopted in 2009 with a horizon year of 2035 So some people are asking why are we updating the general plan now if we have an existing general plan that is still active And that's because when we think about what's happened since 2009 it's significant both locally and Nationally and throughout the world Santa Rosa as you know we dealt with some severe wildfires in 2017 and Year several years afterwards with the glass fire and additional wildfires. We've had a pandemic We've gone through a period of reawakening of social justice we've We're dealing with the effects of climate change and we've had a mini recession So lots of things have happened since that last general plan was updated and it's time. It's time to look forward and Get some new ideas and that's what we're doing now So why have a general plan? A general plan is required Not only does it make sense for planning reasons and setting a roadmap for the future of your city The state requires that every jurisdiction Have an adopted general plan it even just it even regulates Certain elements nine of which you can see up here that are required These are all elements or chapters or topics or subject matters The planning terminology is elements that a general plan has to address One of these is new this year. It's environmental justice. So that is a new requirement I think the city of Santa Rosa would do it anyways and we've actually expanded that chapter which I'll get to in a bit to not just be environmental justice but to look at equity and public health as well and the General plan itself Establishes the policy framework to be used by residents, businesses, developers, staff, council and appointed boards and commissions So the general plan Process as I mentioned, it's been a multi-year process. It started about March of 2020 Things got slowed down via co because of COVID But there have been a lot of milestones through that project timeline It almost looks like we're kind of in the middle of the process But we've really done a whole lot of work, which I'll get a little bit into I won't talk too much about any of the steps But we're really proud of the work that we've done to get to this point in the process Each of the steps that you see here involved a lot of community engagement public review Just a real hands-on community driven approach to updating this really important Constitution for the city So up here, you'll see some of the documents that have been created through this process and one of the first steps When we realized yep, we're gonna do this. It's time. We Sat around and to develop what's called a community involvement strategy And that was because we realized that we wanted to reach deep into the community and engage with folks Who maybe in the past have not been involved with the public process Who either didn't know about it or felt uncomfortable with it? Well, it was our job to get their voices any ways and so we Developed some innovated strata innovative strategies and have adapted those as we've moved through each phase of the project We've looked at okay. Who did we hear from who did we miss what more can we do? To reach those people and hear the input from folks that otherwise we hadn't you know, haven't historically heard from So that was a community involvement strategy We also created two advisory bodies for us one was a technical advisory committee called attack that really was to provide subject matter expertise and Direction on if we were you know heading the right direction with our goals policies and actions We also developed a community advisory committee that was more like project ambassadors or liaisons to members of the community who would help us with engagement and to reach Uh people that maybe didn't trust city employees quite as much You know, they they they provided that opportunity for us to to meet with folks that That they had through their connections. So very important group and we're very thankful for the work that they've helped us with Part of the process was trying to figure out a baseline. Where is santa rosa now? So we did a whole bunch of studies demographic economic development land use Environmental everything where santa rosa stood at the time that we started this project So we had a an idea of what? Was missing what was lacking what needed to be improved? And that was the existing conditions report. It is a really thick technical document Which a lot of people were like heck no i'm not reading that so we condensed it into a briefing book And that is more of a high-level executive summary type of thing that contains the same information just not quite as in depth From there looking at the existing conditions We worked with the technical advisor committee and the community community advisory committee To develop a vision for the project. What is it that we are hoping to accomplish through this general plan update? and through some visioning meetings and and We came up with 13 words that i'll i'll talk a little bit more about there's a little slide there And and the reason that it's important is because it's serving as a guide for this entire process Next step, uh, i'll get to a little bit more about was developing some land use alternatives And where to go from there and we um agreed on one which we'll talk about in a slider too So this is what i was talking about in terms of the vision statement as you can see in the word flower There are some aspirational words there for what we want santa rosa to look like what we want our community members to feel And what we want to help them accomplish So i'm going to go ahead and read that to you Santa rosa is a diverse equitable and sustainable community built on civic engagement that empowers everyone To provide and support equal and affordable opportunities to obtain good housing education and jobs To enjoy vibrant cultural events and arts and to live healthy lives in resilient neighborhoods that adapt to social and environmental change So as i mentioned, that's what served as our and continues to serve as our guide Moving through this process. We check everything against that. Does it match? Our vision statement if it doesn't it needs to be reworked or thrown out So as i briefly mentioned Part of the process was trying to determine how we were going to accommodate The 36 000 units of housing that we were anticipating through the year 2050 And so that's not an increased number from our existing general plan But we want what we wanted to do was really look at the best way To locate that type of housing to build a sustainable equitable and resilient community So these are the three alternatives the established corridors Is the first alternative that you see up there? It was really focused on the downtown area And a few of the major transportation corridors that that would be the main Areas of focus of infrastructure density of housing that type of thing alternative two called neighborhood main streets Continued that look at established corridors, but expanded it to include 21 areas of change Which are areas that are ripe for Becoming a complete neighborhood with maybe just a little bit more housing Some more services better transportation and circulation Anything that would make it a complete neighborhood where someone could hopefully achieve any of their daily needs within a Very reasonable bicycle or walking experience And then housing everywhere the third alternative was kind of status quo It's kind of what the current general plan does which is just a real dispersed model of housing Throughout the city So what did we hear back? We heard from the community after many workshops a survey And we also heard from the planning commission and city council. They liked a combination of alternatives one and two So that's what you see here. It's very difficult to see much on You know on the small map, but it it includes the 21 areas of change in addition to that also downtown city centered growth so This is where we are now all of those steps in previous phases have led to where we're at with the general plan 2050 so The important thing to note is the structure of the general plan is a little bit different than the existing general plan It's it's sort of a hierarchy where the goal is the top And it's the aspirational outcome that we're looking for over the life of the plan Where does the city want to be by 2050 in relationship to these different elements and and things that we talk about in the plan Just beneath that are policies policies are more like a regulatory activity that helps And guides implementation to achieve a goal And then beneath the policy are actions and that's where it's a measure or a procedure or You know requirement for a policy or a technique That's intended to implement one or more policies which then help us to achieve that goal that in state that we're looking for So our general plan the draft general plan 2050, which is what we're here to talk about tonight it includes all of the state required elements and Optional elements because the state says yeah, you can throw in extra stuff if you want to and those optional elements Also carry the same weight as any of the required elements so as you can see on the slide there are What you're mainly looking at now are five different subject areas where we've combined required elements or subject matters that have a true synergy That will work together to achieve the goals underneath underneath each of these elements The the truly optional element is Chapter two urban design historic preservation and art and culture, which is likely what you guys are most interested in But many of the policies And goals and actions throughout the document really work together to Improve the livability of Santa Rosas and so I hope that you all will be interested in that as well Finally at the very bottom there is housing The state requires that every jurisdiction adopt a housing element on an eight-year cycle To provide information on how they will meet their required housing needs So the city just had a new housing element adopted earlier this year and certified by the state in April so we're not proposing any changes to the housing element And it will be included with the final draft general plan as as a chapter So there are a couple of maps that are important to highlight here That were generated through this process and this one is our equity priority areas map The city of Santa Rosa has the objective to inform consult provide opportunities to participate and empower every resident of Santa Rosa To be part of the decision-making and planning and policy discussions that affect their lives and their communities So to accomplish that we had to identify what areas that Were historically underrepresented under represented marginalized and possibly more vulnerable to All of the you know issues of climate change and and and other things so We want to provide everyone in Santa Rosa with the opportunity to gain their full potential So this map identifies equity priority areas that identify the locations of communities with the top 25 percent of community members living in poverty As well as the top 25 percent of people of color And it was important for us to recognize these areas and there are specific Policies throughout the general plan that will just that will refer to equity priority areas and equity priority populations So that's something to look for in the plan Additionally as I mentioned we identified 21 areas of change. So these are areas that are already You know somewhat developed throughout the city But just need a little bit more investment To make them those complete neighborhoods that I already discussed Now I'm just going to give a very very high level overview of each of the chapters Like I said, I hope you're interested in all of them, but I'll give you a little information now a teaser. So maybe it'll make you want to dive in if you haven't already So the land use and economic development chapter Not a ton of change in land use in terms of the like I said the number of housing units were anticipating that type of thing But the most important thing I can say about the land use chapter is that The goal is to ensure that growth and change serve communities needs Protects the environment improves fiscal stability of the city and enhances quality of life for all members of the community So we've you know, like I said identified those areas of change and are looking at ways to Improve quality of life as you can see on the slide one of the new ideas is to require additional construction mitigation for any development along highway 101 and state route 12 to help protect folks from exposure to air Air pollutants in particulate matter The economic development section kind of relooks at the way A lot of cities look for can we hire a huge employer or a big box store to increase tax revenue? but we look more at growing and supporting existing small businesses creating micro entrepreneurial opportunities and neighbor centered growth Which have been shown in research to actually have a better benefit long term So this chapter circulation open space conservation and greenhouse gas reduction. That's a lot I'm sure you can probably imagine the synergy between all of those And one of the things I want to highlight is that this plan really promotes Multimodal transportation is a priority active transportation transit With single occupancy vehicle trips being the least priority Moving forward and the greenhouse gas reduction section is alternative and it includes this section Includes policies and goals and actions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions related to transportation and energy sectors Throughout the general plan. You'll see greenhouse gas reduction strategies in in areas where it makes sense like land use public services and Um other areas like that in addition to the greenhouse gas reduction information here We are updating and replacing our standalone community community wild community wide climate action plan through a greenhouse gas Reduction strategy. So that's a separate document where we are really looking at what does the city need to do In order to achieve the state targets for greenhouse gas reduction Greenhouse gas emission reduction. So that's a standalone document the policies you see here are included in it But there are actually more things too. So that We'll get to that but it Coming soon Okay, now the chapter that y'all probably are the most interested in Which addresses historic preservation? And you can find that in Uh on in the document on pages 4 7 through 4 10 that strictly talk about historic preservation And there are Some new ideas presented in the chapter and one of them is really The slide doesn't it doesn't quote it correctly 4-2 point 11 what it really is trying to say is to Uh consider What we want to say hold on I like the way the historic society said it Identify remove and or simplify Obstacles for for owners of historic properties to support preservation Including creating guides for repurposing facilities and concurrent review of entitlement and building permit applications. So That's that's what we are Considering here, but I'm just going to kind of go past it because the main thing is getting to the discussion of this chapter There's also as you probably are aware information about cultural resources We've been in consultation with the tribes to make sure that we are also getting their feedback on this area And we've worked very closely with our arts department to ensure that That one of the focuses of increasing santa crows's santa rosa's quality of life is recognizing the importance of cultural representation and activities and and and that type of thing So this is a chunky chapter 2 safety climate resilience noise and public services and facilities and this one looks at really Minimizing community exposure to hazards and increasing community resilience including related to The changing climate So it also looks at police fire and education. It looks at water wastewater storm water all of the things that could Create hazards and you may think water wastewater, you know flooding dam inundation that type of thing it looks at evacuation everything in here related to wildfire and it has some really new ideas one of which is called managed retreat which is proactive relocation of Residential or commercial neighborhoods in a wildland urban interface area another is looking at Not allowing increased densities in these wildland urban interface or fire high fire Hazard zones. So we anticipate that one being a little bit contentious with folks So we're always looking for feedback on anything that you guys feel not just obviously historic preservation related stuff Okay, last but not least health equity and environmental justice We're very proud of this chapter Beatrice has done a ton of work getting out into the community working with neighborhood groups and partners To come up with some great goals policies and actions that improve the health and well-being for all community members We want to ensure that decisions made throughout the city promote community health sustainability equity and environmental justice And a couple of the new policies that are again showing up in community meetings as being maybe a little bit controversial Is that we would require convenience stores liquor stores and neighborhood markets to carry fresh produce Another one looks at considering the effects of chain Restaurants and would require a conditional use permit for any new chain restaurants as well as a 300 foot separation between them Okay, we're done with all that now is if you're interested in taking the survey or proponing it to your Network your family any other community members? We currently have a general plan survey on our website You can also scan that qr code and it'll take you right to it And it asks some questions about specific policies ask how you feel about them And then just has a couple of open-ended questions where you can just Say however you feel about the policies that you see in the general plan whatever sections Or section that you're interested in The project website Is something we're also very proud of it includes all of the documents that have been mentioned before It includes a lot of information about community engagement if you click on it right now It's got a very cool video that was created by a local hip-hop artist through Meetings with some people some of the residents of the juvenile hall and other youth Including the black student union at the jc and others. So we've done a lot of outreach to youth That's been something in the past. We didn't feel like we were hearing a lot from that group So we've done art installations with them. We created a coloring book That is currently being used by elementary school students To give us feedback on what they want to see in their city and what Happiness looks like to them. So I really encourage you to visit the website And you can actually do edits to the general plan draft on it as if it's like track changes if you will You can see what other people's comments are you can upvote or downvote their comments and Just a lot of good stuff that we're very proud of and that we hope you will look at So next steps, where do we go from here? We have met with every single board or Committee of the city with the exception of art and public places, which we'll be at tomorrow and city council on the 25th But not the board of public utilities. I'm not sure why we missed that one, but maybe next round We are also planning to hold a Climate action subcommittee meeting when we are ready to release the public draft of that greenhouse gas reduction strategy that I mentioned earlier This timeline may be adjusted We've we've had some internal discussions that It might be that we're expecting people to move too fast and reviewing all of these documents So it's possible that it may change, but what is up there now is what is Uh currently the schedule and the city council review on september 26 is definitely happening so That's it for me And now it's Time for y'all to provide any comments feedback Suggestions, it's okay. If you haven't had time to review everything We welcome you sending emails to us giving that feedback But we're also here to hear anything that you have ready for us tonight Thank you And thank you excellent presentation. Appreciate that So again tonight is a feedback and comment Period for us to give our thoughts back probably the primary focus is the policies around four dash two dot three through four dash two dot 13 however As was presented that there are Areas within the whole general plan that complement historic preservation So if you've seen something in other areas that you'd like to bring up Um and and make comment on that would be be great as well Um, we had a late correspondence. So which was handed out from the Sonoma county historical society On some of their recommendations So I I would like to actually take time to To go through those recommendations and maybe get your feedback on what your thoughts are and some of the things that they've They have suggested before we get to that. Maybe I'll just open it up to the board and see if any There's any um initial comments any board members want to make Our question questions to staff I would like to see us Definitely put some um language in this to Set aside money for serving Um the the the properties that that haven't been surveyed in these districts And also to identify other um standalone buildings that should be added to um Our list Thank you Yeah, and that that's a really good point in fact, I believe in You may I may be asking you information that you don't have but I know there was a downtown part of the stationary plan Wasn't there a downtown historic survey? Did it run out of funds or is it still ongoing or? It's still ongoing and actually will be brought before you relatively soon That was the tentative item I was talking about for october 18th. So it's not completed yet, but Stay tuned. I told you you'd want to be there Okay, and and You know and that goal is is within our mission statement As well as in the general plan and just kind of out of curiosity if there was a site That uh us and we'll just keep it simple a structure That the board feel should receive historic designation What would there be funding for? Pursuing something like that. I know it's gonna it takes staff time and And staff efforts So if we have a goal in the general plan to do it and I'm just throwing it out just so that everybody can Hear what the process might be so what I will say is that this general plan has about 400 actions in it and We of course want to do them all but that's not feasible and so We look to our city council to prioritize our work plans and if we are If y'all recommend a council or if council just decides on their own that that should be something that staff considers You know an important part of their work plan. I know there are several of us that would love to work on it I have another question did Did they actually Attach a list of buildings that they've identified that perhaps we could look at for National register status the downtown station area historic resource evaluation has that information Yes, it does and it's and it's the same as the one the historic The historic what is it committee? sent Oh, no, no, no the the downtown station area historic resource evaluation surveyed properties That are age eligible, but not in a preservation district. So It's a very deep dive. They did a windshold survey as well as Intensive level survey for any all of those properties. There's like 750. I think it is throughout the Downtown station area and it it developed a list of Um No, that's what's going to be coming to you. Oh, okay October something the other so that'll be similar that'll be in addition to the one that I have a copy of that was done years ago Yes, okay. Yes. Thank you Okay, I'm I just have kind of Just one area of of kind of concern and And It's action four dash two point one two first. Let me say I'm all about saving historic resources Windows and things went appropriate However, having been somebody that's done two old buildings and Kind of knowing what's what's involved I'm concerned that if we update the building code to require If we use that language for example Requiring the saving of siding on a Building that's going to be demolished The the siding is Very very typically I'd bet 90 percent Old redwood clear heart redwood and it's as brittle as class And it has multiple layers of paint that include lead most likely and most recyclers Won't accept painted wood because of the lead content However, there may be someone that that would be they have to process they have to properly remove the lead paint and And you have to be able to get the siding off without breaking it into little pieces with all the nails Um Windows wood windows some wood windows are salvageable some of them are beyond south South they have so much rotten And destruction so What I if it's possible to achieve I know the goal that we're trying to achieve And I think we're all on the same page of achieving that goal but if we can do it without Changing the building code and making it a requirement because I'm afraid that's going to become An unenforceable gill net that captures That captures things that aren't achievable because maybe there's not a place that will accept the material Or the material is in such bad shape that it's it's not worth saving I know that In demolition of a historic structure Typically a report has to be created to justify the structure being demolished and I also know that cow green requires the recycling of a certain percentage of that structure so that we have those two things going on possibly maybe the one thing that we could add would be a And and not an uh an action of the board but a review of the board for recommendations prior to the permit being issued as to what additional requirements might be required as part of the the demolition or just a recommendation to Ped and then ped could take it from there as to what they What would want to do so possibly still achieving the goal of Of saving some of the components of the historic structure, but Not making it an out and out requirement for Any and in all because they they may not not all apply to being saved Make sense It does it looks like we have another Case by case basis looking at the materials for that particular structure Yes. Yeah, correct. So I guess in in In my thought it would be they would come in for a permit of demolition Of a structure within a historic district or a structure that has been identified as being historic Part of the permit process Would require A report being done And I can speak of this from personal experience And then based on that report and that report basically the purpose of that report is to make sure that The structure itself Isn't so historically significant that it shouldn't be destroyed Or That an event Might have happened there or somebody might have lived there that makes it historically significant Or it was owned by somebody it was luther burbank's old barn, you know So it shouldn't be destroyed. So that's what that report does So then that report would then come To the cultural heritage board Um For the cultural heritage board to review And then it would give the cultural heritage board opportunity to then visit the site look at the site and then make recommendations back to The city as to maybe possibly some additional conditions For the demolition So that's Can I ask a clarifying question on that you bet would that be for any demolition within A historic an existing identified historic preservation district or anything that would be age Eligible person went to seek what so say 50 years or older and would there be a A threshold for that would it be an individual building would it be any structure? So i'm just i i'll i'll take all of this back to the team and the consultants and try to To figure out how to you know make this work, but i just want to make sure i'm capturing what you're looking for Yeah, i'm not sure if Kind of our jurisdiction goes beyond anything that it hasn't been identified as already has been A historic structure It would be probably anything in it in one of our historic neighborhoods Unless it was deemed a a non contributor maybe a A garage that was put up in the 1980s in the back or something like that, but So I guess right now i'm thinking that That is just limited to Those those buildings that have been identified as historic and our historic neighborhood, but I don't know it would be nice if it could be expanded, but I I don't know if we have jurisdiction to do that i'm I I kind of wonder if we need to look at major landmarks like You know like the detergent You know round barn or the detergent winery or the cannery building for instance I mean that building sadly Is of no historic value anymore except for that one wall because of what Happened 20 years ago Um, and that I know I don't think that kind of thing should be allowed to happen again I think the adaptive reuse is really Um a necessity, um, you know for looking at those buildings So I think I think there's a degree a weighted degree of what is more Um significant. I mean You know a tiny Insignificant house that there are lots of examples of an an historic district. It doesn't seem to me. It's quite as Um urgent to Go to those links But I'm I'm willing to have an argument Well, and I do want to clarify you guys don't have to come up with something exactly right today You know it we are looking for initial reaction initial feedback, but welcome You know if you need to go home and think about it and you come up with something. Oh, yeah, that'd be perfect Or or you know a good Starting point for discussion that you guys have all hashed out yourselves or we can do that now Um, we welcome that it doesn't have to be right now and it doesn't have to be perfect right now Yeah, and and I'll just kind of in in my thought with I I just didn't want to see it as a zoning Or a building code requirement if we could Work out another way to um to achieve that goal without making the because I I don't think the The building code requirement will take in all the All the various situations that that that could exist agreed And I think jesse oswald right now if he were listening right now our chief building official would say thank you so other Any other thoughts or comments? um Let me just ask you the um Have you had a chance to review the document then from the so what what are your thoughts on that? Maybe you could I Is there anything on there that Is isn't possible to go to to move forward in the process? I think all of it is great. I think my only concern is and again, it doesn't mean it can't be included is the Action item requested to perform a survey of significant event sites. I think that's absolutely a great aspiration However, again, all of these things are dependent upon council priority setting So We can talk about it internally as a team, but I felt like they had really thoughtful comments And actually one of them I wanted to kind of ask your opinion on where they Say review consistency of using historic or historical and as not a Total expert, but as somebody that cares I'd like to make sure we get that right if you guys have something to weigh in there at the end of this Just don't want to forget Thank you And I will say one other thing that I could see maybe being a little bit controversial is the Preserving historic aspects of parks while integrating modern uses and amenities. I would not want to Comment on that since it's totally outside of our purview and it would be a discussion with the parks folks Yeah, and and where that kind of energy is coming from is the the Fremont Park study so and that's And and we're looking forward to getting a report on that and And I think previous documents haven't identified Landmark or You know things that aren't typically structures or or buildings and and I think some language in there recognizing that You know julyard park and and uh, Fremont Park potentially has you know elements that Are are historic As is the landscaping Well, not saying really any additional comments Um I compliment The staff on the general plan update. I know it's been a really long and a really hard Hard process Of course, we would love love to see the historic element be about 10 pages long, but we're happy with you know what uh What we received and um I personally would like to strongly support the recommendations that the Sonoma County Historical Society has um Has made I I think it'll make the document stronger and you know and the uh the identification of um The sites where significant events sit-ins and such have take place That could potentially be and I see that probably in one of the other chapters You know they near cultural, you know her I can't set chapter five six or four. Yeah, so maybe maybe doesn't belong in Art but it it would be a neat uh goal for one of the other chapters So any other final comments tonight? I just want to thank you The fact that we could only come up with maybe three or four suggestions is pretty significant and um And thanks. Thanks for your explanation and thanks for a job really well done So and I and I want to remind the board too that the comment period is still open, right? So You can certainly, you know, if you think of something between now and then you can always You know send in your comments. Yeah, we're currently scheduled to have the comment period closed on october 1st That may stay the same it may change stay tuned But you're at least guaranteed until that time which actually is coming up pretty soon And you know when you mention that you'd love to see a 10 pages long Honestly, if we've missed something that you would like to see in here Send it along. What's the worst that happens? We get told no so Well, you know how how boards are that's The most important thing is our board at our stuff. So anyway, thank you I'd also like to chime in and say if you have any questions and You know our upcoming training we're going to be looking just kind of globally The general plans specific plans zoning code, you know in the hierarchy of these documents Don't hesitate to call staff. You can call sherry. You can call Beatrice. You can call Amy You can call me, but they are the experts And and ask questions Because your comments are not just welcome. They're encouraged. We really want to hear from our board members So you you folks in particular you've got a special little niche in this city and we need you so Okay, and before we I would like to open up public comment on this item Uh chair muser we still don't have any members of the public in person and no attendees for you zoom Okay, we'll close public comment And uh with that, I thank everyone for their time tonight and call for german