 Hey, it's Alex there from AlexFingers.com and today I'm interviewing Scott Kennedy founder of Light Path LED So Scott has created quite quite a unique line of relight therapy panels And if you've been watching my stuff for a while now, you would have seen my reviews of his mini and of his large Pulse multi-wave panel. So I had a lot of questions around this panel and there's quite a few a lot of unique features in there Including the pulsing which is you know something that's new to the red light therapy space Anyway, I decided to jump on a call with Scott and run through a bunch of questions And we dive into everything from the pulsing technology to dual chip LEDs to three versus five watt LEDs to everything else Red light therapy it is quite an awesome call and we cover lots and lots of Information in fact, I ran out of time and we decided we'll do a part two later on this year So enjoy sit back relax if you have any questions for myself or Scott, please leave them below and Be sure to hit the subscribe button to check out those future videos. All right, let's get into it So I'm here today with Scott Kennedy from Light Path LED now Scott is a certified laser light specialist and also a Health coach. He's the founder of Light Path LED and has created some rather unique red light therapy panels I personally have one of these panels. It's the Light Path LED Large multi-wave pulse panel of a mouthful there, but I wanted to include the the brand name in there I've been using that this particular panel for a few weeks now And if you've seen my first impressions video here on my YouTube channel You would have seen firsthand how these panels are very interesting. There's some pretty novel features in there And you know, even from a design wise, it's it's not your typical red light therapy clone panel That we're seeing more and more of today. So Because of these unique features and because of the confusion I had when first using the panel I wanted to reach out to Scott's biggest brain and also get some guidance on the best way to use these these products and Yeah, learn a bit more about them and hopefully as I learn I can you know educate you guys as well And you know, we can find out a bit more about the technology and Scott and the panels themselves so so welcome Scott and thank you for taking the time to chat with me today and Before I hit you with all the technical questions Would you be able to give me a bit of a rundown on the history of light path LED and also, you know Your background and why your panels are a little bit different to the other panels we're seeing today on the market No, sure. So, you know, I started up light path About three years ago. I started up my wellness center. So the wellness center is light path to wellness And then shortly after that, I started to get more involved with the home use Devices so I see I see clients every day all walks of life all types of issues and We predominantly use light therapy. We will use other modalities vibration play infrared sauna Photo puncture so but the the the main idea is we're using light to help these people heal. I started Yeah, about nine years ago in the dental field interestingly I was a dental technician in the Air Force and then went to school for hygiene and then after dealing with a lot of You know wear and tear wrist back neck pains. I got into doing more dental sales and I was working with a Laser company and this was a big expensive laser where we would cut heart tissue Cut soft tissue. We would do endodontic periodontic Snoring procedures wrinkle reduction, you know, all kinds of spider veins all kinds of fun stuff the great majority of it was a blade if so we'd go in there and do a cavity prep instead of using a drill we would use a laser and That's where I really got my start and what was interesting is is what we learned is You know, if we took a laser one of the dental lasers and we stuck it right here We burned a hole right through the cheek But if we pulled it out Dispersed the energy over a greater area. We were seeing great results with patients with TMJ Temporal mandibular joint dysfunction great results with Post-op if they had an extraction if they had Deep cleaning if they had a root canal and the healing would be dramatic the pain reduction would be significantly less as well so That's what I really started to get involved and learn and and you know find those certain people out there that really understood things and that's where I gained a lot of my knowledge was following them reading their research watching them taking their courses and You know, I had so much success on my own with peripheral neuropathy idiopathic that I thought wow What an amazing modality For so many people that you know, they go through their whole life the conventional traditional way and see minimal success And then they can come in and see me and within a very short period. They're they're seeing Mobility they're seeing Reduction and pain much greater than they ever did through Their conventional Approaches with doctors and so it's one of those things where you just keep on learning and it's just it's a very rewarding Field to be in and so that's kind of where I got my start and Here's me still learning me still changing me still finding new ways to help people heal Very cool. It's actually fascinating. I didn't realize you had the dental background and I Said it's fascinating because for me. That was one of the first things I noticed when using red light therapy I had some tooth pain like I had a receding garment at one point and you know hot cold Sensitive and stuff and the red light therapy when I used it, you know, that pain disappeared But when I stopped using it like soon that pain come back and that was one of the first things I had first experiences I had with red light therapy knowing that huh is actually something to this like it was clear as night and day and in fact James Carroll from Thor laser. Do you know, do you know how I've taken I've taken a number of his great guy? Yeah guy so knowledgeable. Yeah, totally right. It's amazing and I met him in person just a few years ago now in London and We got talking and he showed me all his presentations He makes doctors and you know more of the technical sort of gurus out there and he was he actually showed how he was doing it I think it was an extraction of tooth extraction and he had no Yeah, right and it was all just with red light therapy and lasers in that and I mean it just blew my mind I was like, are you serious like is this possible like so, um, yeah That's really really neat and it just shows firsthand how you know, still I get doubt is today like it's just a light How can how can this really do anything? It's like you just try I mean there's totally yeah, not only From personal experience and you know client experience and all that but the science like you said it's it's there. It's solid So that's really cool Um, we might just come back to the dental side later on because I do have a few personal questions around that that wouldn't mind touching related to red light therapy But so going back to your entry into the red light therapy space I mean was it just you thinking hey, there's an opportunity here I need to dive into this. Why did you not just go and buy like another red light therapy panel on the market? And use that with the clients. What what made you want to create your own panels? you know part of it is just There were there's a lot of great panels out there and I just thought well, there's There's certain things that I think could be better There's certain things that could be made with better quality it could have better You know customer service better support and You know, there there was a part of me that you know, I could only see so many people within a Radius of where my wellness center was and so there's a lot of people that wanted to have the Benefits of red light, but they couldn't get in to see me So I thought well, here's here's an opportunity for me to Work with a company that I can say hey Let's do some more wavelengths on this. Let's change this design. Let's add more bulbs. Let's add double chip Let's let's go crazy and do pulsing And half the time I got to know because you know, I'm not a I'm not an engineer So sometimes they said we just can't do that But they were great as saying yeah, we can we can make these changes for you And so that was really the chance for me to take more of a role and in my client's well-being Yeah, all right, so you touched on a few other features of the panels And and you don't just do panels as well So could you maybe just give the viewers a quick rundown of of what products you you have created and and you sell and You know, they're key features Yeah, so light path LED is the panels But I know that not one device is going to be best for everyone So I started working With Michael liner in Australia Who has the the G LED pad? the I LED pad a Lot of good research and he like me has a wellness center as well And and I realized how important pads can be for more localized type issues And how great they are to wrap around a shoulder or wrap around the forehead I also started working with torches with Kay abria photonic therapy Institute. She's out of Arizona You know 20 plus years of knowledge wellness center and and has spent a lot of her time working on animals Which is great because there's no placebo effect. No dog gets treated and go. Hmm. I think it may be something else other than the light and so And there's a lot of times where a Panel is great, but boy if I have a if I have a torch Where we can work on specific meridian points. Awesome If I can use a panel and maybe use a pad system to help open up lymphatic pathways Great, you know, it's never a you know Some companies want to say Just go with the pan. Just go with a path. Just go with this and it's just not the case Everybody's gonna be a little bit different and what they need what's gonna be best for their issues So that's why I've worked with them and brought those in as well So that when somebody Messes me calls me says, hey, I've got this kind of initial. I can say, okay. I've got something that'll work Better for you than maybe my own panel or I've got a combination of things that'll be best for you So again, that's why you know, I'm not I'm not dogmatic on it And there's certain things that I may not have that could be better for somebody that I would say, you know Maybe this isn't the best option for you. Here's another option Yeah, and I like that and I guess Full disclosure here. Well, not necessarily disclosure, but anyone that has viewed my stuff over the years would see more of a What's the word not necessarily bias but I mean more focus on the panels and that is just simply because that's where I started out what I started using and then I had a few of them and I compared them and I reviewed them and from a Overall bang through the buck, you know, you have one panel there You can hit different treatment areas if need be or you can do the full body for more systemic benefits and I have Copped a little bit of flak over the years especially more recently where people say, oh, why don't you look at some more of these? Different, you know products in that and it's something that yeah, I have a little bit experience with I have a few of them here at home I just haven't really taken a deep dive into it because there's just so many panels and so many different frequent Features coming out where I'm just like hey that that's going to be my thing But I do know like recently I did my handheld comparison and I know you have a little mini product mini panel as well right, you know, and that was And in that comparison I talk about how it does give you other options I mean that a lot of those handheld ones are battery powered so you can use it while traveling or at a sports field or you know like to Address like I don't know some tooth pain before you go into the dentist or whatever it may be, right? And the torch is the little the little sort of devices That's something that I personally have been quite interested in because you can totally target one area No matter where you are, you know, you can be sitting watching a movie or you know You're on the bus or something using the near infrared and not even knows what's going on Right, and then like you said as well, you can you can tap into those meridian points and you know there's a whole nother world out there of Ridlight therapy low-level laser therapy and not just hey You want a massive panel that takes up half the room and you know, you can see your house from from five blocks away so Yeah, it's really cool that you're doing that and I want to bring it back though to the panels because that's what I I have I only have your large multi-wave panel at the moment and I I do have a few questions around around that because What you've done with that panel there are a few unique features in there that other companies haven't done or maybe they have done But you've done it a little bit Let's say more advanced right so the first thing I need to ask you about The standout feature of the the multi-wave pulse panel that I have is this and correct me if I'm if I'm saying this wrong The no gia frequencies. Yeah, no. Yeah, France neurologist. No. Yeah, okay So I'm gonna hand that over to you. What's the deal here? Tell me what you know about it and why you incorporated it into your panel so Dr. Noge is a French neurologist so He was more focused in a regular Acupuncture so, you know, you an inverted fetus and the ear is kind of the diagram And so it's very specific with with with needle points and what he found was that certain specific frequencies would elicit a Greater response For the body in the healing process At some point I got extrapolated into light throughout the body which which makes sense because the you know, we have Acupuncture points throughout our our body So the way they're gonna react is going to be Similar so We know the research on pulsing has been limited, but thus far it's been positive, but they they've mainly picked Obvious numbers five ten fifty one hundred five hundred a thousand ten thousand More just because okay, let's compare is a higher number better is a lower number better Now a lot of So there hasn't been a significant amount of research on pulsing period yet alone no jay frequencies so Again, this is where I rely a lot on My colleagues my mentors People that have been doing light for 20 plus years You know back when it was complete, you know voodoo and They love no jay frequencies. They use it in their clinic. They use it on their on their patients They use it on their clients, and they've had really good success with it And so you do see a lot of pad systems. I'm not the first one to come up with no jay This has already been out In a lot of pad systems This has come out in specific Torch systems as well as They even have one now with a full-body bed kind of like the Nova Thor, but has the pulsing So although there's a lack on the research side of it There's a lot of anecdotal that supports it now we can get into the weeds on Okay, the research showed and in this certain case when we Took rabbits and Induced a stroke, okay at a Pulse rate of a hundred we saw great results or a thousand we saw great results, but maybe we didn't have 500 so To some degree we could be splitting hairs on What is going to be the best pulse for this specific issue? could it be 147 of the no jay which is a kind of a universal inflammation or would it be No 2.5 as James Carroll Has has studied and shown to be positive or could it be 10,000 they all have They all have similarities and they all have seems to have good results so again, we we we sometimes get a little too caught up in The research side of things So I took a lot of that information from the I guess you're called the clinical evidence of a lot of the people that have been doing this for so long Yeah, so I love even though there is that uncertainty and still maybe some of the science is a little bit lacking Like you said or confusing as a as a biohacker as someone who's like passionate about health and wellness and using Technology and nature to improve health and wellness, you know, I love the concept because we can try it I mean you can experiment, you know, you can look at what Science there, you know what has been published around a certain frequency or you can read the case studies or you know Speak to vets who are using this whatever and be like all right Well, these people seem to have really good results with wound hearing when they were using this frequency for this duration I've just come off my bike, you know, I've got some serious wounds. I'm gonna give it a go I mean that I like that And I think some people get too caught up in the black and white. Wow, there's no published science on this You know, and it's the same for any new technology. I mean red light therapy laser therapy, you know I know it's been well studied now But when that first came into this into the into the world into the market I'm I'm sure there were a lot of doubters with that as well. So I Look at the LED I mean that was scoffed at that was laughed at when when people said hey, I can get Similar results with a light emitting diode as opposed to a true laser and people said now, that's that's BS You need to be using a laser Time has shown that both of them can be very effective. So and that's why with the with the pulse I you know with the with this a mode Yeah, you can go with your presets that I put in there But then you can create your own so tomorrow Some research comes out and says 389 is ideal for this certain ailment. Well now you've got that that option. So I'm not a know-it-all. There's so much that we all have to learn So my goal is just to keep the options open. So as Research or more an adult does come out then we have the ability to make the changes, you know in real time Yeah, I think that's awesome and now so for people watching this video who are thinking what is all this pulsing what What Alex and Scott talking about I highly recommend going back and watching at least my first impressions video of the large multi-wave Panel from light path LED and I will be doing a full review as well And that will give you a bit of context as well as to what we are speaking about Alternatively head over to like path LED.com and see the panels that aren't on The website there and you will see like for instance with your large panel Which is 250 odd LEDs, you know your standard what I call body panel That comes in three different options. You have your your standard red and their infrared 660 850 Nanometer light then you go up to your multi-wave panel, which is six twenty six sixty eight ten eight fifty and nine thirty So five wavelengths, which is personally I think that's neat and and I prefer the panels with those extra wavelengths in there Of course, you're spinning a little bit extra the price goes up each time you add these features And then the top of the range product is the multi-wave pulse panel So that has the five wavelengths and then also has this inbuilt pulsing Feature functionality that Scott has been talking about here now it came your your panel comes with the preset No, no GA frequencies, but you can also like you just touched on you can select any frequency from What is it one right through to 9,900 They're about right. Yeah, right. I mean, that's just like it's kind of insane because to my knowledge at the time the only other Panel on the market that has pulsing technology in a panel is the Juve the new third-generation Juve But they only have one pulsing frequency and it's 10 hertz, I believe And that's only for the near infrared light. So yours works on both red and near infrared and You have 10,000 options in terms of what frequency are there, which is It's both awesome, but at the same time, it's so overwhelming. You're like, well But like you said, you have the power to Experiment and as more data or more research or more case studies come out, you can you can tap into that So I and I touched on this in my first impressions review and I'll cover it more in the full review I'm gonna be doing Where I say like hey, there's there's a lot of for me personally There's a lot of unknown and uncertainty around this technology and I don't have much experience or very little experience with it So I can't give some some clear Feedback on it. But the thing is It has potential and there is some stuff out there showing that it is promising So it could it could end up being a total game changer Not just for the red light therapy space, but for the health wellness space and most importantly It could be a massive game changer for someone's health, which is why we're all doing this, right? So if you find that you have some chronic pain somewhere and then you find that this frequency five minutes a day Just totally, you know, that pains gone without having to use drugs and you know having to go spend money on acupuncture or something I mean that like it's that's massive like absolutely massive. So that's why I'm so excited by it because of that potential and It is such a new for me. Anyway, new technology and new new feature in the red light therapy space. So I I mean I do, you know, I I Almost want to congratulate you for for bringing this into the into the panels because Yeah, I think it's neat. I think it is very unique and hopefully it's it's going to be Revolutionary for for the space and also for people's health. So I do want to quickly ask you though I've seen how there's so many options in there With presets and custom frequencies and then of course you can alternate between Red light or nera for it or both and then you've got time and then you've got frequency now I know with red light therapy. There's no clear cut You know this frequency for oh, sorry this wavelength for this amount of time and I've touched on that many times though People still ask me what should I do? But what is the go with well two questions firstly with these frequencies with the pulsing do you? Does it matter what light is being used? I mean could it be green light red light orange or it's more the frequency itself that's beneficial Well, so Obviously with the with the wavelength whether it's a we know the red is going to be more superficial The near infrared is going to penetrate deeper as we go to the smaller wavelengths below red, you know blue Green yellow, you know, they all to some degree have a photo biomodulation effect So the key is is we want to be able to have wavelengths that will Penetrate deeper in the body that may have different affinities for certain types of tissue hence the five five wavelengths You know a 10 we know Has had better success with brain health So it's really combining what we already know with With the specific wavelengths and then tacking on the pulsing as well which we know particularly really good research with brain health with EEG machine and with certain companies like bylight at you know, pulsing at 10 and at 40. I mean they've had phenomenal results with that So it's it's really taking It's really taking two things that to some degree are separate and how they work and and combining them Yeah, okay, cool. No, that makes sense and you mentioned the viola and that is something that I own and have used with as well and to be honest, I actually um I didn't even make the connection between the two there as I was coming into this video. So Yeah, it's it's interesting because I know again with juve like they only Do the 10 hertz with near infrared. They don't use the red light and so that's why I was thinking well Is it what's when it comes to the pulsing? What is more important? Is it the pulsing frequency or is it the pulsing frequency with a certain wavelength or We don't know yet We don't know we don't know and and I would imagine the reason why it's only the near infrared pulsing is because Unless you've got your goggles on or you got your eyes goes whatever it it can be it can be bothersome It annoys me. Yeah, you know, so if I'm doing the pulse I will turn the red off and just have the near infrared. That's the one that penetrates further into the body anyway That's the more important wavelength. Uh, and that's why with all the panels 60 percent of the bulbs are near infrared only 40 percent are red Because I want more of that power going deeper into the body But yeah, now I've got other people they I don't know why it doesn't work for me, but they feel so relaxed with that pulsing Yeah, so they could put it on 10 or 40 where and it's it's right there And me it makes me squint every single time even if my eyes are closed So it bugs the heck out of me, but they're like wow, I feel so calm with this. I'm like, okay great You know, so I think that's probably why just again make life easier We don't need that red right in my face And it's not as important because we want we want we we want the wavelength that's going to penetrate Deeper into the body now again One of the theories is with any light when we pulse it we can get deeper penetration That's that's something that can of course be argued but But we certainly are seeing research showing that with darker melanin Uh That it's able to penetrate deeper into the body. So that's that's a good thing So even if the red which generally goes through the epidermis the dermis Uh can get the superficial lymphatic vessels, but then Basically sits at the at the capillary bed The hemoglobin And that's kind of the end of it which is vastly important because we're we're creating basal dilation In the skin and just underneath it If we can get that to penetrate a little bit further, that's great Yeah, right That's fascinating and again anyone that has watched my first impressions video would have seen how I totally uh, you know nearly flipped out when the pulse had started especially the red light and um I Looking back. I was silly not to read the manual beforehand and even connect the dots thinking. Hey, this is going to be pretty intense and I know now that's why By default the red light isn't working on your panels You have to enable that because of that feature where you can turn it on and it's just like, well, how do I turn this off? This is crazy. And secondly, you recommend using the goggles For those, you know, uh slower frequencies, which are quite visible. Obviously when you're getting up to 5000 hertz or something like that You're not noticing it at least Um consciously noticing that I'm sure there's something going on Optically basically above 80. It looks just like a movie reel. You don't detect a stop and start biologically It's about 300 so anything above that Yeah, you're fine. And really the only concern is going to be for people and they know they know who they are the people that have photosensitivity towards any kind of uh flashing it may create nausea Um vertigo it could even create uh seizures rare rare, but it's something for people to know if you're one of those people Then either don't get the pulse or you get it, you know, just keep it on Continuous wave because when you first start it it's continuous wave And then you can make adjustments to then make it pulsing. Got it. Yeah, but I do I do like the idea that Hey, you can experiment with some of these um, uh, you know lower You know the 10 hertz and stuff frequencies without Even using the red and potentially like that might be better. Well, I'm not gonna see better But I mean that might be all we need anyway, like for the deeper penetration with the near infrared light So um because to be honest, I'll be completely honest there You know the five hertz the 2.5 all those things it was just like well like 30 seconds I was like this this is stressful. No this crazy And um, so I didn't I haven't actually used it much because of that reason I've used some of the other frequencies, but now I might go back and um start playing around with it Just with the near infrared You know to see what happens there. So the next question I had then was And I know we've sort of covered this already We're with the answer is we don't know yet But is there a standard sort of protocol that you could recommend? Um to use these frequencies Um, you know just for an average Joe or like what do you use? I mean is they're like You know, yeah, my go-to frequencies are 10 and 500 and I do five minutes of time, you know, uh three times a week Is there just a general starting point that you would recommend to someone? Yeah, I when I like I said whenever somebody buys And they get it in well, we'll do a 20 minute phone conversation And like you said in the intro is like, uh, how do you have 20 minutes to talk about it? Well, yes five minutes It can just go into just figuring out the display And getting that down back and then the rest of it is going to we're going to talk about What are the issues that are going on where do we want to place the panel because again if it's a large one There's not too many places you can put it you put it in front of you But for some of the smaller ones we may talk about Okay, you've got peripheral neuropathy in your feet Yeah, we can put put the light on the feet, but we also want to activate the lymphatic so back of the knee We'll find the groin area Now there may be nerve involvement most likely so we're going to be hitting the lower back area Even we can hit the dorsal root ganglion up into the base of the spine as well So that's where the conversation gets into I only focus on Two frequencies for starters one is 40 Because that's shown very positive for brain health whether you are trying to Uh deal you you have certain types of cognitive issues Or for me it's prophylaxis. So it's just using it on a daily preventative measure To reduce any types of future type issues and then 147 which is kind of a universal for inflammation So that makes life easy for people start with those two Uh As you start to get more comfortable with it Then you can start looking at some of the other ones and trying those out and seeing if one Tends to fit better for your issues Now as far as time We always start off slow. We may start off with two minutes. That's it Or if we want to do a few more minutes, we may have it further away. So there's less energy Because we do see people that have a Hertz response It's just it overloads the body and that's sometimes an issue with having a larger panel The body is not quite ready to accept all that light You can start the detox process, but it's got nowhere to go The body sluggish the lymphatics are sluggish the filtration organs The kidneys deliver our sluggish. So we want to start off slow Build our way up because just like it's like exercise or like getting in your sauna Um, if you're not in shape, you can't get out and run 10 miles you can but man, you are going to be hurting Uh, and that's the same thing with light if you're coming from nothing in particularly if you got a lot of toxins in your body You start off slow and then you slowly build your way up Now there there's points where okay, um, you hit about 15 minutes at this distance That's pretty close to ideal The goal would be ideally after somebody Um, you know go through that process they start to go okay How is my body feeling today? Um, how much light do I need today as opposed to yesterday or next week or last week or whatever And you may be in front of your panel for five minutes and you go, you know what I'm good Yeah, if that's the case you're good Yeah, if you're if you have the timer set for the typical 10 minutes and you go gosh, I'm really I'm really enjoying hanging out behind it. It's feeling really good Hang out for a few minutes longer Um, our body is changes every single day and our needs Are changing every single day. It's no different than our nutrients our vitamin D level Is changing you if you did blood work every day No two days of your vitamin D level would be the same So there's some days you may need more There's some days that you may need less so that would be in an ideal world But you know, we always have to have certain parameters that we can get people started with Yeah, no, that's that's interesting and it's something I've personally noticed as well Like some days, especially with these new generation panels Yours the new juice the new minor mods and stuff, which are a lot more powerful and larger Sometimes I just yeah, I get in front of it and after a few minutes I don't know. I just feel a little bit like Irritated like bought it's kind of weird. It's just you just feel like all right. I'm done And I've never really connected it to my body like effectively saying hey, hey, we're done here. Let's let's stop It's just more like yeah I I don't know whereas other times you get in front of it and yeah, you just feel soothed like You know, you feel warm the warmth you feel good, whatever it may be Um, and I've never really thought about that, you know that connection. So that is interesting um And yeah, I I appreciate you giving us a little bit of an overview there with those frequencies because That was the one thing I know your manual does a really good job of outlying the potential benefits of each frequency But it was kind of like, oh, which one do I use? Is there just a really good overview? So hey, that's a lot Yeah, there's only so much you can put in a manual because I mean again Who the heck wants to read a manual? You know, I hate it. I I just don't have the attention to sit there and spend 20 minutes going through a manual So, uh, you know, that's why I spend the 20 minutes with jeets bar, you know As we start to evolve and change the website and change our way of Connecting with the buyers We'll have more of a interactive Manual that they can pull up in the membership section of the website And it'll list the things that are in the manual But then there'll also be video that says hey Here's for those people like me who I would much rather spend 10 minutes watching a video Then spending 10 minutes reading a manual and so then it just goes step by step. Here's how you press it Here's where you start. Here's the distance. Here's all the the basic things that that can get you started And it's just a lot easier Yeah, and for those who haven't seen my first inversions video, um And they do end up getting one of these panels from score I highly recommend using a couple of minutes at least at least flick through the manual rather than uh Spending half an hour being frustrated trying to figure out how to Uh It took me a while to get it figured out as well to where I could just hit the buttons and be like, okay I'm good It took me a few days of of doing it constantly And that's why there's a video on the website right now that just goes over, you know Five minutes just goes over the basic parts of the of the display, but it's one of those things This is what you said you you started you're like, oh gosh. What button do I hit? How many times do I hit? Wait, why is there this pause five second delay? It gets it gets a little bit confusing So but you know I tell people Three days. Yeah three days you do it three times And it's going to click and then after that you're you're fine. It's it's it's going to be Five seconds more and just turning in on button Yeah, no, yeah, and I totally get it now that we've been using it for a few weeks The cool thing is though once you do get it up and running If you if you stumble through the buttons in it and it starts working That's actually where I started reading through the manual. I was like, ah, it's working Well, while I'm standing here for a few minutes. I'll read through the manual and then I thought oh gosh, okay That makes sense and and then I read your emails and yeah, it all starts coming together so um Hey, I want to move on to a few other features with these panels because um I know we could talk for hours about the uh pulsing and it may be something that you know, I come back to you Down the further down the track once I have a little bit more knowledge and experience with it And you know we get some questions from the community as well But we'll leave it for now and let's move on to the leds. So Tell me a bit more about these leds that are in this in the in the large panel of yours I believe the five watt and dual chip leds. Can you um explain a bit about that technology and why that's a little bit Different to some of the other panels out there Yeah, there's there's a lot of similarities as well. So um and this The the issue is with a lot of light this light is it's new to people. It's not like you can you go Look at a car. Somebody says horsepower. You get a general understanding of what what you're talking about um, so it can be very confusing when somebody says Five watt or what they do is they'll take all the bulbs. Just say that make life easy It's a hundred bulbs in that panel And they'll say oh, there's a hundred bulbs each one is five watts So now you've got five hundred watts of power and you go wow That's a lot of power And that's not true So five watts is or you may see three or five. That's the bulb capacity That's just saying that if I wanted to I could put five watts of power Through that and it would be fine. It wouldn't go blowing up um So that's you know, maybe that's good for the longevity Of of the bulb. But but the key is Here's the bulb. Here's the dial chip. This is the power. This is where it's actually coming from That dial chip is two point one watts of power So significantly less than this five watt here. So that's where it can get very confusing to people and how uh, certain companies can purposely or not um I don't want to say the word manipulate, but that's kind of how how it is So Now we we we also have to take into account even though it's 2.1 watts There's a lot of loss of power in that Just through any electronic type device, there's going to be a loss of power and that may show up as heat There's going to be a loss of power in distance. There's going to be a loss of power with reflection off the skin Scatter so you have to take all these things into account Now when we talk about a double chip What we're doing is instead of it just being one dial chip per bulb. There's there's two now. They are the same wavelength. So it's either going to be 620 and 620 or it's going to be 810 and 810 um And all that does is is when we have a 30 degree beam angle, which means instead of it coming out Really wide right here where you may lose a lot of that energy on the sides. Yeah, it'll be more focused So having a couple chips Allow it to have a little bit of a better overall coverage So if that's what I would say a big deal. It's certainly not a game changer. It's a nice little feature Yeah, okay So that was that was one thing now going back to my first impressions video I was a little bit confused because I knew you had the dual Diode chips and I just assumed that it would be A 6 6 a red light and a near infrared light and then I realized it wasn't and then I thought oh, maybe it's You know your 620 and your 660 and the one bulb, but then I could still see the differences the slight color differences So um now that makes sense. You you've just got two chips in there with the same wavelength um So whereas I know I think it's the juve go the I think it's the juve. There's another product out there that actually has I believe I'm right here has the red and the near infrared in the same chip. So so you get Yeah, you're getting full coverage. Um, but that's from a small handheld panel With a limited to the amount of leds in the in the handheld device So I can sort of see why they did that. So, you know, that that explains that and hence my confusion when I recorded that video um Yeah, and with the five watt leds. I mean, yeah, you touch on a few key points there. So The number is not everything for for multiple reasons. Firstly So many people do get caught up in the total power like more power is better, but there's some evidence out there and even um anecdotal evidence where people get better results with less power Uh, you know smaller doses only a minute or two instead of the 10 20 minutes that was the Gold standard, you know when red light panels hit the space So there's that and then also the other thing is even if there is a five watt led in there Like you said, that's it's not necessarily putting out five watts. Well, we know it's not, you know, yours at two point one I think you mentioned um, and then you've got things like well, how much of that energy is actually converted into irradiance like power output At that wavelength that we want. I mean, there could be inefficiencies with heat. There could be it could be a poorly designed chip and that I've seen this with my spectrometer where you look at the wavelength the the light that is coming from a certain chip and some of them are very, you know thin peaks where majority of that energy is concentrated at 660 maybe a few nanometers either side and then other ones you see quite a broad um, you know peak where it's like, oh, well, there's actually about 80 percent of the energy has range from 640 through to 665 You know, sometimes it doesn't even peak at the 660. So there's so many variabilities and things to be aware of and and I try and Mention that I try cover these points when I do reviews and especially my comparisons but still I still can I still get the feedback and I still get the questions where people just want to know what what's the most powerful and And I I should buy this one because it's it's half the price But it has more power and it's like it's frustrating But I can see just that's how the human brain works and how marketed works and people get caught up in those big numbers so and it's because you have research that like on one side James Carroll, he's he's a big fan of kind of like, you know low and slow A lot of the people that have the pads low and slow that that's what they like They they find it a little bit more I guess you say more natural for the body as opposed to, you know, just hitting the body hard with a lot But on the other hand, you have some very powerful lasers that are Superposed multi-wave that are peaking at, you know, 200 watts of peak power Coming out in billions of seconds And you're you could be putting in a shoulder area. You could easily be putting in well over a thousand Watts of power a thousand joules of power in there and And getting great results Yeah, now we know we can always argue about okay. Well if we're putting in a lot of power But we're getting deeper penetration At the skin surface There's too much power going on Right at that deeper area. We're getting just that sweet spot of energy And as we know light is systemic. It's not going to stay right there So what you did right in this area is going to then come back out to this area Or we look at the low and slow where we're affecting Maybe more superficial that first centimeter With just the right amount of light and then again systemically we're in the blood We're in the lymphatics. We've got gene transcription going on these cells are talking to each other now And then that is creating a cascade effect that goes deeper into the body Let's say for the brain Um 3% of light that we do trans cranial is actually getting into the brain and you would say well, that's not going to be enough Yeah, right That's all we need I mean, we're really talking about not even a a watt of power needs to get in we're we're down to You know 0.5 or less is all we need To get the wheels turning it's almost like oiling a stuck gear And once that starts to turn it moves all the other things And that's where you get such a change because you've got vasodilation. You've got increased oxygen You've got cell saying, um, let's release anti-inflammatory enzymes. Let's release enzymes that are going to make the cells More resistant to damaging effects of sunlight or Let's slow down the premature apoptosis of the neurons in the brain. So There's so many Again, we we get into this debate And it's it's my thought is just put light on the body That's it. Let's not get too caught up people You know people in a little world in a little bubble can they can focus the research people They can focus on on all of those things and they can work that stuff out For the average joe using it just put light on the body You know just get enough of it and you're going to see changes Yeah, no, I like I like that and it's it's similar Approach or belief that I have now with my own treatment and when people do reach out it's like look Yes, you can get hung up and all these research studies and all these different variables and there's it's impossible, you know, you've got treatment Distant you got treatment panel size you got the distance from the panel. You've got the power output. You've got wavelengths now We've got pulsing You've got frequency like how often you're using that panel Do you use it three times a week or or three times a day in short? I mean it's it's it's endless, right? but what I've found Over the years and this is my feedback and what I've seen with my channel and my blog and I mean my mom uses My parents use red light therapy now my wife does, you know, like because people get results, right? and that's the main thing like Don't get caught up in it at least you can but at least um use it because you know it is going to work I mean it does have some benefits and again My mom doesn't doesn't read the research or anything like that. She doesn't even know what's going on with it She just knows when she has a sore knee or sore foot or whatever. She'll she'll do a couple minutes Sometimes it's one or two minutes. Sometimes it's 20 minutes while she reads a book And it feels better. So that's the key thing and I like how you said that just you know, put light on the body because You're gonna benefit something you're gonna benefit from it and when you do have the panel there and you do have all these options with You know the more advanced features you can you can start experimenting you can start researching but I think it's best to get the panel first or any red light therapy device and start using it Rather than sending back and spinning months research in this stuff and trying to figure out which one to buy And you've lost all that um, you know potential health care and so I tell people start with what you can afford. I don't care if it's a little mini. I don't care if it's a lamp I don't care if it's you know Start with something as long as you're using it correctly That's that's the key too many people buy something And they don't know how to use it properly So they're not seeing the results and then it gets put into the like anything If you don't know how to use it correctly, I can take any light basically I don't care if you were to say that the quality is low the power is low Fine We can still get it to work. We may have to increase the time We may have to put it closer to the skin. We might have to do this We can get it to work for you. So that's why I tell people, you know If you can't get to learn and that's why I do the trade up if you know, not everybody's going to be able to just drop 11-1200 into a panel most people just can't afford that so start off small Start seeing results with it and then you go, okay I'm tired of taking this and moving it all over my body. So now I'm ready to get something Larger but um, but to your point is it's I think the It's so satisfying when Someone like a daughter buys a panel for the father who has back pain loves to walk can't get out there to do it anymore Old-school traditional medicine skeptical. Does it just to placate the daughter? In a week later, they're walking further than they have in a year with dramatically less pain Those are the ones because you know, there's no placebo effect in there. They're looking They're looking they don't want to come out say it but they're looking to crush the whole light thing to say No, it doesn't work and they're seeing changes and another point is we did um Not very scientific, but we if you're familiar with like a heart rate variability Devices that tested we brought that into my wellness center and we compared I've got a full bed full body bed like the novus or yeah, nice continuous wave Great device people love it hugely ridiculously expensive now And we would do a heart rate variability test prior to and then they do the light and then they we test them afterward and the ones that did the pulsing of the Just a tabletop panel Had An enormous difference change in the after of the heart rate variability Test which I thought I don't know all the ins and outs of that But I understand the basics of how it works and I thought That's cool. That's something that we should You know, if I had a research lab if I could have all this and do this this type of study with these types of Testing devices, I thought that would be that would be so great to do You could go through all the frequencies and test them all out before and after and and you know have your Have your control group have the study group have someone doing just a continuous wave as well and being able to really compare all those Yeah, the downside though is time and money to do such a test and for those still on the sidelines You know, like you mentioned, you don't need to start off with a thousand dollar panel you can start off with a four five hundred dollar one even less and Just try it for yourself. You know, if you got that dodgy shoulder, just try it because You know, I go back to my parents like the other day My mom has a as a mini like a half-size body one at her home and she was going To stay somewhere else recently and she was traveling past here and she called and she said Do you have a spear one I can take with me on the trip? You know and it's because she's seen firsthand like the benefits And that's why when people ask like which one should I get and what technology is the best? it's like well, look, I have done some big comparisons and Some have better features or have more power or lower emf whatever but at the end of the day They're all red light therapy panels and they all they all work like they all bring good results So if someone's here in New Zealand and they can get one for half the price from a local local store because they don't have to pay a hundred dollars or 200 for shipping like, you know, just get that and Yeah, because you can get bogged down in the details I do and then I sort of back off because I might it's just too overwhelming You know, I just go back to five minutes or 10 minutes or whatever I could do and be done with it Hey, so this calls gone way longer than I expected, but it's been really really good Before I wrap it up though. There are a few questions I wanted to ask you about this particular panel and your company If you've got five minutes, are you okay to quickly go through these? I'm wide open. All right. Awesome. Awesome. And I'm thinking as well like on the technical side of things There's so many other questions I would have liked to ask and you know going more into the the posting and all that maybe later on we do Do a follow-up call and we even take on some questions from the community If that's something you'd be open to we could look at doing that later in there. Okay, cool Okay, cool. I'll follow up on that later then. So a real quick question So I'm going to be working on my full review of your large panel like I've touched on a few times already I do know that when you sent this panel out You said the the ones you're selling now slightly different to the one that I have here in my home What what are the differences? Um, what what's changed? So again, really just a couple changes. We've changed the display Just just separated the different modes just to make it a little bit easier to To know what's when you're you're pressing And then again, we changed the the top third square, which is typically going to be On the head area. We changed the near and for red. So instead of it being 810 859 30 We changed them all to 810 and that's specifically because research has shown That 810 does a better job Getting into the brain and activating the brain. So that's why we did that the bottom two-thirds Are going to be the same The tabletop version is going to be basically the same just changing the display So you do have two options. You've got the tabletop, which is about foot by foot and then you've got the three times start large version as well And you have those large ones have the module modular capability, right? So you can stack two on top of each other and side by side Yeah, so we also have we have a We got we have a few different stands a couple stands coming So we have a floor stand so you can just set it right on to a base and set it on the floor So great if you want to be doing some meditation in front of it We have a stand that allows it to go horizontal. So if you have a difficult time standing You can just lay on your couch Or lay on the end of your bed or if you're a clinician, you can have it on your massage table chiropractic table And treat the person lying down That was really a thought because a lot of people particularly Geriatrics or people with certain types of they don't they just can't stand For 20 30 minutes So and then we've we've got a wall stand where you can set up a couple on top of each other And then a modular that has wheels that'll have stacked one on top of the other so you can Roll that around go and all of these you can see them on your website, right? I know yeah, if not if not now as as Again, we're always making new stuff up. So I give I get my manufacturer say hey, here's what I want Here's what I would like Now you guys are the engineers you figure out what we can do what we can't do And we'll we'll go from there. So I've got a couple things that are just getting ready to to come out So once we once we have that then we'll be putting that up on the site Awesome. Cool. Now. I know you put a lot of value on customer service and looking after your clients or customers I think you got a three-year warranty, which is which is awesome 60-day Return policy with no restocking fee. Is that correct? Correct. So you just pay for the shipping back. That's awesome and You also have and I know you've touched on these your trade-up policy and your follow-up support call Both of these things just a limited time offer or is it you know, is that just party of your business? Is it well that that's part of it now, you know, I'm small time really You know what if I was selling what the big boys were doing I could never be on the phone So, you know, what we're doing is as again as we're as we're growing because really right now it's It's it's it's a family business. So As we as we grow, you know, I've got a facebook group that we do a lot of You know, every couple weeks we'll do a live Q&A where we may pick a certain topic like how to treat brain how to treat lymphatics or We may even talk about other modalities that can be used So that's a great way to learn We do the 20 minute phone call right now and then again, we're going to be More interactive with the videos online So that a lot of that information right when you get that panel You're going to be able to just watch a five ten minute video and that's going to answer the great majority of your questions But yeah for right now As as as far as I can see you get the panel in we set up a phone call. We spend 20 minutes going over your particular issues And and how can we best address it depending on what? What size panel you got you had the pulse in the non do you have the pads you have the torus you have a combination Or maybe you have something from a different company and we can go over that as well That's awesome. And that's included in the price. That's not an at all or anything like that Correct, correct. It's just just a part. So even if you got the Um, you know the $250 mini or you got the $1,200 large It's really the same thing and then with the trade up. Yeah, you can start off small get get get the get the mini And then uh, or get the tabletop and you may decide, uh, you know, you've got a full year of using it And if you say I'm I really like this, but I'm ready for the big boy Um, then you just return it to me You pay just the shipping back and that entire purchase of that 250 that you put into it or that 400 or 500 Whatever you put into it that all of that goes into The larger units. All right. That's um, yeah, it's quite incredible. I mean the the follow-up call From any purchase. I mean that's you know, you could be charging $1,200 just for that call outright so that's incredible value and um, Yeah, maybe uh, if you're watching this, you know, five years after record recording Who knows maybe your business is actually booming and you won't be doing that feature anymore But for those who are watching this at the moment, you know 2021, uh, that's that's quite a neat deal and I'll make sure whether whether I'm doing a one-on-one with somebody Or or I'm at a point where I can't do that You're going to get you're going to get the customer support whether it's going to be through the videos Through the facebook groups where we have instead of just one-on-one We may have 20 people on the group and people are asking their questions And you're going to gain so much knowledge just from somebody else asking Hey, I've got this or how far away do I put it for this or my child has acne or whatever So you're going to gain just a lot of knowledge from that as well. So the customer service side That's one of the things I think is so important and so missing from a lot of these kind of biohack type devices where it's, you know Hey, I'll give you all the time and attention until You make the purchase and then you know, you're kind of on your own You know People don't have the knowledge Why would you I didn't have the knowledge 10 years ago. You didn't have the knowledge a certain amount of years ago. So The more we can guide people the more they're going to learn how to use it They're going to get better results. They're going to talk about it and that's really going to be the key I I spend right now. I spend a big zero on marketing Everything that I sell comes through word of mouth. So I would rather be Putting in the time and effort to that Because that's that's that's the real deal When when you're increasing sales because people are talking kindly about you Yeah, no, that's awesome. I I mean, I think what you're doing with the technology the panel that after sales support The trade-up policy. I mean, I think it's I think it's amazing and your products are well priced as well I mean Like I said earlier in the call you can get that large panel The 255 led panel you can just get the standard read in there for read one What does it say 824 dollars? I mean, that's that's great It's a great price for a good panel without the support and all those other things as well. So Um, yeah, I mean from a business point of view. I kind of scratch my head and think how how you're making money out of all this but uh, obviously it's all working and and the The client the customer is the the winner out of all this. So now nice work and um Where can people find a bit more about you? I know you've got your website light path led.com Is that the best place or you mentioned the facebook page is is that a public one or is it just for customers? Uh, no, it's it's it's public. Um, so it's it's red light therapy for beginners Okay, cool. And that's really what it is. So we don't I I I try to stay simple There's something about staying simple with this. We don't get into all the nuances of research and things it's just for the people that are getting Used to light and they want to get involved in it, but they want to be able to ask simple questions without You know feeling the pressure that you know what this is a dumb question so the facebook group the website hey if you're anywhere in the New jersey area Come visit me at the wellness center. Yeah, cool. And I'll put links to your facebook page your website Does your wellness center have a dedicated website or is that all through the light path website as well? It's all through the light path side. Okay, cool. So I'll put links to that in the description below if you're watching this on youtube And uh, I believe we also have a discount code. Uh, is it alex alex for? Yep alex for five percent off well, so yeah, I'll put I'll put all that below as well and um That's I mean again, it takes an already awesome value Just further improves on that. So thank you for that and thank you for your time and Yeah, I thought this would be a half now call But there's just so many things to touch on and I've still got a list of questions here But I'm just going to have to save them for another day. So If you have enjoyed this video, you know, give me a thumbs up and be sure to subscribe And what I'll try and do is we'll get on a call later on in the year Perhaps with scott and we'll go through some more technical questions Maybe we'll touch on you know, some other products you have coming in the pipe down the pipeline And if anyone is watching this and has a question for scott, of course You can head over to his facebook page or hit to his website or leave a question below and um Oh, I'll click them all and when we do that follow-up call later this year We can go through some of those questions I'll also be doing my full dedicated review of the large moddy wave pulse panel and um, I'll be cover I'll be testing things like emf irradiance sounds level And just you know going into a deep dive Um covering things we've talked about here But also my experiences and some of the features included in the panel So be sure to subscribe for that that should be out in a few weeks as well as my 2021 body panel comparison where I will be comparing All these panels on the market including the light path led panel, which I think is um, it's going to do really well Uh, just yeah, I mean given the unique features that has the value all these other You know post sales support and all that I think it's going to it's going to do really well So we're just waiting for one more panel to be released and then that will Um, I'll start filming that as well And I know I've said this so many times now So I do apologize for those who keep asking me uh, when is it going to be out? But it will be soon. So again, thank you so much for your time scot And um, I am super appreciative for all information and yeah What you're doing for the red light therapy space and for For people out there helping them with their health and and helping them learn more about this technology. So Thank you again. And um, I look forward to chatting with you again later on this year Thanks so much, Alex