 So first have you have you but I know Fringy's seen this but that is the poster Have you seen that rags? This is not really. This is clearly a joke This is some kind of a Pickets the plot thickets rags trust me I just like my initial reaction was you know CJ's I thought was pretty pointy to use this late looks like a video game Do you put the ps2 symbol on top of it? Okay, I don't know what they were thinking with the embers face that face though he first off Fuck me. How is he around? I know that's insane that he's he fell into an exploding death star. I Yeah, I just like if that oh they can there's so many ways though. I'm sick clones or flashbacks or Follogram Respects not a word they're appreciative of a fucking zombie robot or Some shit like that or I have bloated my brain and do a computer under the ocean or some stupid shit Then he'll come back to life and they'll ruin it. They will ruin it Well, it's like, you know what characters haven't we've ruined yet? Let's go through the list. All right, Palpatine. You're next up Lando. You're coming up next. Yeah We all ruin them. They'll ruin you walks one day. They'll be like, you know what you walks. Let's do it You're ready for this potentially credible trailer I don't think any amount of preparation will make me ready for this monstrosity of the cinema I Think you could argue that the first six Star Wars films are a matter of someone wanted to create and then the new ones are Someone wanted to recreate right it's led to completely different results. Maybe this will be the I mean You could argue that TLJ is a matter of someone trying to create rather than recreate But I'd probably say it don't know destroy is the word you're looking for I don't feel like JJ doesn't give a shit about Star Wars Ryan Johnson didn't give a shit about Star Wars These are just career. These are just the next thing in their career. So is everyone ready? I I Like it fuck it shit remember Yeah, this great movie that we didn't make remember that movie. Oh, man. Yeah, that's that guy look at this dude He was hopeful dude He thought things are gonna work out you idiot What are they doing? Trying to get you. Oh, remember the good shit really they're just gonna cycle Okay, this is you guys look at all the good stuff, huh? It's this great I love how I'm the intended effect of this montages. Oh, this is great But what I'm feeling is oh you ruined it Showing us like, you know, we killed we've killed well, they haven't killed Kenobi yet But they might do like we got Han Leia Luke Millennium Falcon went down too. It's like let's see what else we've got He's like a target list of little crosses that appear on these people that's it cycles through Poison the well They hear emotions. Oh, no, you know, how can anyone I actually think this is very constructed They might have done this just because they're like all people hate us right now. Oh, absolutely Absolutely, they are they had a conversation about this in a board room. They did They looked at the cold hard numbers and we're like guys a lot of people fucking hate Star Wars now I think so what we're gonna have to do is we're gonna have to really prime them With the shit that they liked so go get the movies whatever episodes they work Then it's like this footage of those like this extremely robotic suit guy that he's like what what images do I collect? It's like I'm characters and he's like cat characters What are they he's like? Oh, they're like they're like these people in the movie that have like You know like in depth sort of And the suitcase like I don't understand He's not even a character characters who care about each other remember that Characters he had ox I'm actually getting kind of annoyed. It's like show your own content for fuck's sake. None of this is yours We we purchased this we use you're gonna ruin him. We use money to get to your emotions Yeah, yeah They're gonna show you pretty cool footage. They're gonna show you pretty cool footage We passed on we know they did oh Darth Maul of all things was first by the way, that's interesting Yeah, how telling is that what a world we live in because do you remember with TFA when it came out? Everybody was talking about how the prequels were essentially, you know ignored and it seemed that Disney were like people Made all these jokes. They were like ha ha Disney's taken the good of Star Wars. They're ignoring the bad They're not even gonna recognize the prequels exist and as much as like I thought that that might have been the case I find it amusing that it's just not the case anymore. They're like no no no no no look prequels. You like prequels But that's the sense that Disney you don't know what Disney cares about. No You have no idea what they're gonna do next Because you have no idea what In Mace window over here I'm so what is the what are they doing? What is this trailer? Well, um If you have you the services for this movie show the show force awakens. What are you doing? They really try to make this be like here it comes it's all come to this it's like no one has The synopsis for this movie is that it's the end of the sky walkers saga Which is all nine films so they're trying to make it seem like no, it's what it's all been leading up to It's the end of the Disney fanfic. That's what this is Well, the thing is it's like what? Fuck off. Just fuck off Well, that's the thing episode six is the end It's a great end and then it's like no this is I'm just waiting right for the one day We're fucking I don't know Amazon gets so big that they buy the franchise and then they make another three movies on the end of this And they call it the real end of the sky walker suck This reminds me a lot of the marketing for dark Phoenix where they're like it's all been leading to this It's like no it hasn't This on to the end of something and you just It's just like if the real ending is what makes sense for an ending So for X-Men it was Logan because it ends with the characters it began with and with Star Wars It was episode six because that was the end of the story It's so interesting to compare as well because you got the MCU came to its end of season if you will this year And then so did Game of Thrones Coming to the end of the series like what are you gonna be episode 9? You're gonna be more like Game of Thrones. You can be more like ad game in terms of audience reception anyway Oh Stop I was closed during that sword fight. We had to close my eyes for like five seconds You saw me all he needed to do all he needed to do to win was just pull it down and stabber in the chest while She wasn't looking it's like And plus you're like he's like an adult He's an adult male who's clear very clearly chiseled and has been working out and she's just some chick and he can't He can't just overpower malnourished. It's just Use the force is fine man. Hey, look, they haven't completely forgotten Chewbacca It's going on there. I have no idea what it is. It's not an army. Is it a festival of some kind in the desert? This could be like in Disney universe. This could be an army Just an army of clowns The clown army here's the thing if you strip away the paint job This is the army of the first order this right here. Oh, yeah Yeah, this is the way that they behave that this is them This is the first order right here just without the aesthetics It's gonna say you'd be a generous because these people seem to have organized something here, you know This seems like they built structures to their gods or something They're building the Tower of Babel The story of a generation Hey, there's Y-Wings. Oh shit. Why we uh-oh, they got B-Wings to why wings B-Wings X-Wings of course A-Wings Y-Wings where wings how wings? Yeah, man All right What is this what is this what the hell is this? That many Star Destroyers If in an alternate universe I can understand this making sense This makes absolutely no how how big is the first order? I don't fucking understand I remember when one of these one of these was scary Why the hell do you need a million of them because a million is a million times scarier right? They're all gonna get wiped out by something That'll kill them all seriously JJ you are Unapologetically obsessed with just his idea of raising the stakes is always to times 10 control pay copy paste copy paste copy paste In my head I'm trying to think of a scenario where this would be a plausible thing to see And I'm then first off you wonder where the fuck were these things in The last Jedi and in the first in the Force Awakens is So eat remember each one of these things has how many people on it how many time fighters? Don't forget it. It also has a tracking system. Every one of these has a tracking system each They can travel through literally follow people through hyperspace like the Hmm, how can you possibly beat them? Even the Empire doesn't seem like it had this many stars You also funny thing the Empire didn't even need them it didn't even need them It needed like five stay in fucking line because ever it's like Rome man It's like Rome. They had roads everywhere You didn't have to have an army everywhere because you knew that if you fucking pissed them off Then you'd have a Roman army at your doorstep and a few in a few weeks is the same way with the Empire a Star Destroyer is like a is like a I guess the modern-day equivalent of it would be like an aircraft carrier Where one of those things shows up and you're like, okay They mean business because that's a that's a very expensive piece of equipment that can wreak havoc from untold distances These things you see one of them and you know the kind of the army that's inside of it all the planes and bombers and Tidefighters and ground troop. Oh one of these things goes into orbit. You're like, okay, we get it We get it. We're staying in line in Disney world. You see one of these things you go From its from its tactical standpoint Does it make sense to have like a thousand of the exact same identical thing? Think of how this could be so cool Like you have one thing I really really like is the idea that when a ship leaves hyperspace It's just proof it just shows up and it's there and you have no idea that it's coming So imagine you're doing your thing and all of a sudden boom star destroyer is right there in orbit And it shows up and you're like, oh fuck Shit's about to go down because the Empire is here for a reason. They don't just send these things for no reason at all But now this is totally wasted is like the the weight that that should have they just gone It's been wasted. They sent like 14 of them plus the the supremacy Which was like a hundred star destroyers in one after a ship with 400 people on it in the last The scale is out of whack I mean because now I'm thinking like once you mentioned the whole jumping right in I remember the scene in Halo reach where I'm You detonate the bomb on the on the Covenant ship and then you're like, oh, all right We got him good and then it's just like oh slip space rupture detected slip space And then all these ships start popping in and everyone's like, oh, this is yeah, this is the end It's like the scale here is really defined. It's over that is over. It's lost But now 10,000 Covenant ships. Yeah, I remember and I remember reading the books and stuff like when the Covenant show up It's a big deal the tone changes entirely everyone. It's not about fighting. It's about how can we run away? scraping together whatever survivors we can like you're not even Like there's a once a star to show up. You should be this isn't about fighting a battle This isn't about inflicting damage. This is about how can we get away with as many people surviving as possible? But in this it's like fuck it. Well, look at this is the crazy things you'd be like Well, we've lost it's like no actually there's a lot of ways I could still easily win like oh So why the hell doesn't even matter at this point if there was literally one billion star destroyers Would we care? It's like no not really Oh, they have another diversity car Wait, what the fuck evil evil evil C-3PO C-3PO The fuck was this the last time what the hell's going on with his eyes Yeah, I don't know I where was this the last two episodes I can't wait to see another super weapon because that's all JJ knows how to do why didn't they use this ever I'm sure it was just created. I'm sure they just finished it That's the emperor's voice isn't it? Yeah, it sounds like him Oh, why the fuck? Yeah, they're gonna fight for sure then I can't wait. I cannot wait. He's so good What the hell did I just see it was like a nunchuck light What the hell He's a fist of all Why does that look great doesn't look fake to anyone else like a photoshop? It does kind of look like a photo. It's hard Yeah, it doesn't look real. Why would I want a lightsaber that has two sharp points on the same end? It's like why would you it looks so dangerous as well the fact that it's like a nunchuck I want to get the white shot Oh What the fuck is happening? I'm gonna go to the original the deposit here What the hell? This has to be like a you know a nightmare flash forward thing This cannot I can't believe for a second. This is why would they even show this like if it was real She just flicks it. I'm Darth Maul. Remember Darth Maul. I feel like that's why they show to stuff Well now it's like in case people forgot. This is the cool thing you guys like what the hell seriously Unbelievable I'm so so depressed Ray is just Darth Maul now Okay, oh by the way, so that tie interceptor we saw earlier that seems to be Kylo's Because he's walking away from it at around 132 and Ray's gonna kick his ass, of course Oh, absolutely if she doesn't there. It's just the thing. They've already she's already beaten him fucking twice Well, it's not gonna make sense if he beats her but what if he beats her and she becomes evil or some shit I don't know what the hell they going for here. I'll get just do it. Just do something do something interesting It's gonna be shit Two pointy ends that it swings out I mean what good is that that seems so dangerous One misdirected thing and you're dead and you cut yourself in half Oh, this is such a my original character, please do not steal yeah, it feels like it feels like that doesn't it it's just how we're so Ray can't possibly turn evil. They're not gonna do that. They're not gonna be like, oh, yeah, Ray was a bad guy also If they didn't they did it it wouldn't make any sense like how Pat with all that we have raised to pure Mm-hmm I get the impression that what they're trying to lead to or maybe this is what they have to do now because of the last Jedi was like, oh, you see they're both as bad as each other They're both flawed and then it's gonna be the moral of like, oh fucking both, you know, go right down the middle That's the right way to go. I see yeah The thing is the fascinating thing about Ray is that if she chose to do anything I wouldn't even know why cuz I don't know what what are her values Why is she here? We've got two movies, and I don't even know what she wants exactly Is it gonna be that she's like I have to be Red I'm sorry. What is the context for this? Can you what do you guys think is the most likely context for this shot? for Darth Mauret, yeah frame sequence But I'm I feel like that's too obvious. I was gonna say like they've already kind of done that shit like I'm trying to think I feel like it's gonna be Some like like a glimpse into an alternate future Or like a glimpse into what could have been or something like that and I think that's probably it's gonna Palpatine's gonna infect the minds of a character. Maybe Kylo, maybe Ray Maybe Chewbacca who the fuck knows and this is gonna be like this could have been the future It's like this is the plan like this is the world I'm trying to create or some system like that and you see Ray's face and you know, he's got a special lightsaber Because it's not just enough that she's evil. Ooh, she's got a double nunchuck lightsaber. Oh, oh, man I mean the the world is I don't understand this world anymore. I don't understand who the players are and what they want Whereas No identity The first orders entire policies revolve around we have to kill the rebels. That's it We have to kill the rebels is like but the rebels are just here to fight against you But it's this world is a mess. Well, you know, it's like I do anything else And if Snoke if Snoke's dead who's been putting the policies in place who's been, you know ruling the Gallic that was Number two The thing is is like with the other movies always felt like there was more going on in the universe Beyond what was happening with just the main characters It always felt like there was a universe beyond the the main story that we saw whereas here It's like it doesn't feel like this is a galaxy only yeah It only exists anything that you see only exists because it needs to for the scene. We want to have yeah Even Kanto bite like that's not a place that he's even real. It's not it's not a real place Yeah Yeah, Carson's great. I mean Right now. Oh Dude, I would love to know what's happening. I would love to know you guys love Disney to go to cars is like Yeah, I just like think of in your head like with the state of the universe the galaxy as it's in right What is happening on Curse on? Where is the Republic headquarters? We need to know what the people think about all of this nonsense Oh, oh if I could warp into this universe and just ask people on the street Hey, so what do you think about like the Republic and they'd probably say the what which ones are they like no No, we're run by a territorial governor like oh like Warhammer. It's like yeah, whatever that is sure And I'd be like I just don't even I don't need that's the thing You have you have universes like Warhammer Right 40k, which are so well detailed and there's so many rules and there's so much world building in its job It's all structured and you know what exactly what the fuck's going on and then you look at Star Wars You know like what the hell is even going on? I think it's just You never know what these How can he rise? He's dead. Yeah, I don't know what it means. Palpatine's back, Palpatine's back, Palpatine's back It's referencing Anakin apparently he is in this film by the way. Darth Vader breathing That's what people that's what people eat up so often. Oh look wow That's cool. All of those Star Destroyers in the mist. Wow, that's incredible I can't wait to see that even though it makes just it's just it spits in the face of everything That's where we're at folks I Am so Depressed man that was worse than I thought it was gonna be to be honest with you I did not expect evil 3po army of star destroyers or evil ray and that like saber I knew the kylo and ray we're gonna have a fight again, but seeing it was kind of like yeah Yeah The dramatic look Yeah, I know that's that's the other thing right it has to first they were in like this snowy forest that was getting destroyed Second time they were on a star destroyer that was split in half or a new Premisee that was split in half in a room that was on fire Against the army of people and now they're on what looks to be a ship What a waterfall that looks extremely dangerous like of course because imagine they just fought in a room And then you look at um the empire strikes back luke and vaders fight They were just hallways It wasn't about the location. The only thing that was really interesting was at the very end in the you know In the pit it was environmental interaction, but it wasn't like a movie playing in the background If you know, I mean it reminds me like more combat. Yeah, exactly. Yeah Like the environment exists. It's there, but your focus you should be focused on the characters and their interaction I think the way that I would view it is uh in the original Films, it's like if it were like a video game It would be like a boss fight a fully interactive boss fight where you can interact with the environment But you still are playing like it were the way that it was supposed to be And yeah, and then you wouldn't just feel like Utees yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, raise much to attack kylo press x like whoa Menace knew how to do this right even in the fans of menace with Darth Maul are fighting in like You know a place like a normal place. Yeah massive power generators and hallways and yeah And they actually found creative ways to use the space to set up Interesting scenarios like having all the things block them off so that you know Obi-Wan couldn't get to Qui-Gon before he got killed or um In uh the the fight with Yoda and Palpatine in the you know the senate using the chairs and throwing them at each other So that's good shit Remember when this was good Who knows what what else we're gonna be getting because this is the thing man to reveal ray is like evils I'm just like so that's probably a just a bait then because they wouldn't want to reveal something like that would they Yeah Well, I mean how how how much how much do they they need to show to get people back and watch because How many people aren't gonna watch it? How many people have they lost? You know like discounting the people like us who are masochists haven't got to watch it. Anyway, just see I'm still curious They lost if it's literally gonna be styles episode nine the retcon of the last Jedi like as a whole Because the fact that ray might even be evil It's just a retcon too because the whole thing at the end of the previous film was like How are we gonna rebuild and become you know a powerful good force again? It's like, I don't know become evil Then we'll see I guess Rip stalls