 to hear about the budget, and you've all now got your copies of the town report, isn't it? Wonderful, you know who put this together, right? Right there, Barbara. Barbara is beautiful, Barbara. They've gotten so many compliments. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. And Barbara was the one who had the idea to do the flood report, for example. Erica lined up Erica and told them to do it, and all kinds of things like that. Make sure all the pictures were in. How did the rest of us to do our faces? I love the picture of Rayling at the pond. Yes. Can you point out that there's chocolate cake available? Oh, yes. Is that for services? It's cards for services. Oh, happy birthday, Barbara. Actually, Kari's a leap baby. So this year is his 14th official birthday. That's going to be kind of nice. A day or 12. We had one other person that had the birthday, and they were from Calis. It was Rick Purches. Oh, I know Rick. Do you know that? Ellie Hayes. She's also, we're pretty rare, 1 in 1,400. 1 in 1,000. All right. So we're here to talk about the budget. Most of you, I imagine you're all here. You've all had a chance to look at it. I'm going to take a minute to explain the process that we went through, although many of you were involved in that. So you know about it already. And then we're going to talk about, in addition to the budget, and just as importantly, we're also going to talk about the one Australian ballot vote for a bond issue. And Donnie, who you all know, Donnie, who knows a lot about roads and things like that, is going to talk about that. And when Jordan gets here, he's going to talk about the budget. So we started the process last September. As you know, none of us have ever been through the process before. Really lucky we had the wonderful Sandra Berger, our treasurer, helping us through it. And Sandra, many times when I would freak out over something, would say to me, breathe, breathe. Okay. Now we're going to be okay. It'll be fine. And then she would talk me down and explain to me why it was just fine. And we started out by Sandra just sort of built the budget to be exactly like last year's budget. And then we started hearing from all the people who were affected by the budget. For example, Tegan put together the town clerk's portion of the budget. Tegan and Barbara put together the office portion of the budget. We heard from the planning commission. We heard from the conservation commission. Everybody who had a piece of the budget. And it was really a wonderful process because it gave us a chance to sit down and talk with each of these people who do this work for the town and talk to them about what do you do and tell us what your priorities are for the next year and why do you need what you're asking for. But when we got done, we had a double digit increase. We just sort of were putting in what everybody was asking for and we had this huge increase, which we knew we couldn't do, obviously. So the next thing we did, and I wrote about this in the report, so you've probably read this already, is we said, okay, well, what are our priorities? Charlotte guided us through that part. She said, that's the first thing you do. Figure out where you want to put your money. We felt it was really important that we work on getting our staff salaries and we spent, well, you've probably all seen this chart in the back. We spent a lot of time figuring out what should our staff look like, how would the workflow, who should be doing what jobs and what would be the most efficient. And then we looked at all the salaries of all the people together compared to what their duties were and we talked with people in other towns and we compared what our salaries were theirs and we had a negotiation with the road crew, which was a union negotiation. And that worked really well. Everybody seemed to be pretty happy with the result of that and that was kind of what we took as the base to build what the other salaries would be. As you know, the health insurance went up, liability insurance went up, unemployment insurance went up, every kind of insurance went up. So every time you have a new employee, of course, or you give an employee a raise, all those other costs go up too. And that was a huge driver of the budget. And the second priority or actually equally prioritized was getting good equipment for the road crew. In the past several years, we haven't actually followed our own capital budget. And the result was that a lot of our machines were breaking down. The guys, John, can attest to this. We're spending a lot of time in the shop fixing machines or taking them to another shop to get them fixed. And we felt it was time to really get our... Oh, and our mower had actually bit the dust and we had to hire somebody out. We had to hire a machine to do it this year because our mower just died. So we spent a lot of time thinking about how to make that work. And then we went through the rest of the budget and started cutting where we felt we could cut. Toby worked on the highway portion of the budget with the road crew and did an incredible job. Most of that was done by Toby. So he was wonderful. So with that, Donnie, we have some slides here. And Donnie's going to talk for a few minutes about the grader. Jordan, I don't know where you are, but I'll have to ask him. There's something important here, but Jordan also just asked me to email him the link. Oh, so he's going to go... Is he away? I didn't realize that. I didn't hear that. Okay, we'll... Let's hear from Donnie and then we'll see if Jordan's around. And if not, I think Barry can probably take you through that. Can I just ask a procedural question? Sure. I have a list of questions in my pocket and I was kind of hoping it might stay there because you would provide the answers, but I already have a couple of questions pertaining to a couple of things you said. To the process? Yeah. So at what point does it make sense for me to ask questions? Well, we'll go through this and then I'll open it up. Okay, thanks. How's everybody doing? All right. Good. So we're here to talk about the road grader, Bond, both. We're looking to... Hold on. I guess I can use yours right here. Looking to both to authorize the issuance of a $335,000 loan, not Bond, not to exceed 15 years. And the next. So currently we have two graders, Kari and I were emailing back forth this week. I was looking to get some of the information on how much we spent on the grader this year. We're spending a lot on time, which wasn't accounted for in what we were kind of discussing because currently we don't have enough, I don't want to say it, detail on keeping track of everything that we are now keeping track of. Thank you, John. So we have a lot more information, but currently we're spending a lot of money on the grader. We've spent this since July, about $2,752, I believe it was, just in repairs. And that doesn't include the road crew taking the time to repair it, to have to go get parts. Those are all things that are not included in that number. With the increasing amount of flooding and mud season throughout winter that we've had, the grader has actually been one of their more used tools throughout the winter, which is not something that is normally done. With that being said, the more that we get into stuff like this, it is going to be one of the really main used tools that they use to continue to maintain our roads and make them better than mud holes. Both the graders currently are in 97, both the John Deere and the Cat. They are fairly old for equipment. I don't know if we have the hours. I think one of them had over 10,000 hours, I believe, John. I'm not sure. Okay. Nonetheless, with them getting that old, there's a lot of repairs, and that's only going to increase as we move forward. So, a new tool to help them do their job would be great. We are trading one of the current graders, and I believe that was the John Deere. I'm forgetting. John Deere, we put one into the cat. Okay. So trading the John Deere, and likely to use the bomb. Can we continue to have two? Yes. Ah. You can do three miles, what is it, three miles a road? Three miles a road a day. When the day is readable. Right. And we have that. 88? A lot of miles. 79. Is this 75 miles a road? So just their road is 75? No, 79 total. There's about three and a half pavement. Okay. So, yeah. Okay. So, yes. And then the interest rate will be determined at the time of the issuance of the bond, which is part of our capital plan. Any questions? Okay. I guess we'll do that. Mr. Lionel. What, how are you doing? Good, how are you? Let's see. Another question besides my list has occurred to me. It's about, oh, the trade-in. What is the one you're going to trade worth? How much would that offset the purchase price of a new one? I believe that the $335,000 is including with the trade-in of the machine. That's what we were quoted as built in. I think it was in the neighborhood of 20, something like that. In other words, yes. Yeah, I was curious how much it costs to fix them, whichever one, which you said, can you tell me how many days either one or both were down and unusable? And was time lost because of that, or could the crew pivot to something else that they were working on? I'll let Anne speak to them a little bit more. They were down a lot. I mean, they had to go collect it and somehow get it back to the shop when it died this summer. I can't give you an exact number of days, but they both have ongoing problems and there's only a few number of people that can come and fix it and waiting on parts and grading, as Donnie said, is really something that is ongoing. Last summer we had so much rain, you can't grade when it's raining, but you need to have a few good days. In theory, any sunny day that you expected to be sunny, they should be out there because it takes so long to do one stretch of road, you really need to have two just because of our mileage. And cost-wise, we have other aging machines as well. I know I saw the International Den on Friday morning down on Peck Hill Road. You guys had to go collect that. They're last century, I mean, this will help. I have one that we know. God willing, it's not a lemon. You don't need to be in working condition and can be out there working every day that it can be working while the other one will probably have to nurse along for another decade. I don't know, but for a while. There's a notable problem with John here, it takes a lot of time, is that the machine doesn't have the power capable to run a car by blade to cut the roads. So we have to run the old metal blades and that requires daily rotation. There's two guys on the bolt with two sections of blade flipping the blades over, which isn't counting. That takes almost an hour each day for the John Deere. The cat had by special carbide bits so that it can be capable to grade because it doesn't have the power anymore. It's not a big enough machine. The new machine should be capable of having carbide cutting edges on it, which will last a long time. And so the John Deere doesn't have the power. I can't run a carbide bit. I can't put the other one can. That has carbide bits. It doesn't have the power on a carbide blade either. Carbide blade cutting. It's going to dig a lot harder than these machines are capable to handle. So that leads into another question I have, which was did you look into getting another less used grater? No, we did not want used. Those were both hand-me-downs. Both those were used and done. So the chassis was actually used by Marshfield and they were done with it. It had used its purpose up and we got it. Not based on some damage. I think this new grater is a used one, but with minimal amount of hours is enough. This was a brand new one. Charlotte, is this a follow-up to this discussion? Yeah. Go ahead. Because Craig has another question. Oh, sorry. I didn't know whether it was a follow-up. If it's a new question, can you hold it till Craig is done? Sure. Thanks. It's more a comment on what I think Craig is trying to ask is, is this really the best investment? And so the most important thing is, I asked Ed and he said, yes, we need to do a grater. That makes sense. There you go. There you go. But the other thing that I think is very sensible is that you have tried to spread it out over 15 years. And that's really good because most of our things are smaller price and fewer years. But this, since it's so expensive, you're spreading it out over a really long period of time, which really makes the impact, any one particular year, pretty small. So thank you very much. That was great. All right. Thanks. Yeah, let Craig. Thank you. And yes, Charlotte, that is trying to get to what is the best use of our money. So what has happened with the equipment replacement fund? And I don't imagine there was ever $335,000 in it. But what money is in that? And it seems like the last few years that's gotten, at least in my mind, lots track of because we weren't always meeting in person. And so can anybody speak to that? Yeah, can you help us with that? I should have looked up what is in the fund. Currently, it's not a large amount. It's not more than $100,000. The select board actually allocated, within the last couple months, some of the remaining ARPA money. You remember the American ARPA. So that was put into that. But we allocated a good portion of that to the new member for roadside milling. So it's not, there's something there. It's not where we want it to be. And the benefit of having that, obviously, is that if we can use that to offset borrowing, that's less interest than we're paying all the time. But it's a balancing act. We're trying to make the investments that we need to avoid the maintenance costs and the downtime for our crew, both of which are, can be very expensive. And then factor again, what cash do we have, what are our priorities and what's the cost of borrowing and those sorts of things. We're actually in a favorable borrowing time right now. It's really good to see interest rates coming down. So putting all that together, I think it was the judgment that, you know, that seems like a reasonable investment. And if I could just quickly, and I think Donnie had mentioned this, with what the road crew is doing now, and we have started it prior to the flooding, but post-flooding particularly, with FEMA becoming involved, we have a lot more documentation as far as what's working, what's not working, what things are we having to pay for. Like there's a lot clearer documentation. So when we look at the month-to-month budget and it's getting better as we go along, we can see exactly where the money's been going. It's more concrete. So then we can see if we're spending so much money on repairs that it behooves us to get a different piece of machinery or, you know, in that fund, we pay for a new truck because the truck, their smaller truck, the repairs were worth, were going to cost more than the traded value. Yeah. So they, you know... Right. So... Yeah, we all pay the same thing with our vehicles. Yeah. So as a town and as a board, you know, I think we've all been very conscientious of timing up in the sense that we really know exactly how much money for gravel, how much money for diesel, how much money for gas, how much money on repairs, how much downtime, so that we can really provide a better picture as we go forward. I mean, this year flew counter with the floods, but it's definitely something that's in place and been ongoing. Yeah. I'm sorry. Just one last thing. I'm not clear about the 15-year bond and a 10-year repayment plan. Oh. So those two things... We base the financing model on 10-year, but then as a suggestion of our attorney, we added some to it. So not to exceed 15 years, so that when we go, if we go to issue this bond, we have some flexibility depending on what interest rates are, cash, how much we want to walk into for those annual payments. So I think 10 is doable. 12 might be favorable, but we'll have the flexibility to choose. So I think, obviously, the sooner we pay it all back, the better. Yes. Yeah. In terms of interest. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Scott has a question. How did you guys, and I'm so applauding for this, decide to bring this to the town for a town vote on this particular item? What did you talk about? What was the process? Thank goodness you did. Or maybe it was just automatic, but as long as it was easy. No, there's a cap. We can spend so much time asking your permission. Okay. So I can't remember. Excuse me. It's duration. The length of time of borrowing. It's like working authorized up to five years, up beyond that. Oh, it's the bond. In each of you voted. Okay. So it's the bond. Very good. But I would back up like the source of this is there is a capital plan. There is a list of all the road equipment and our other assets, fixed assets like this building. And I'd say we've done a really good job with this building in the office. Obviously those are paid off. But the things a little bit out of balance on the equipment side. And so looking at what needs to be done, the greater and some of the trucks and the more, you know, we're at the top of the list. And I figure how do we do this greater? It needs to be a bond. We need to present this information to the town and see what they think. Well, I will make one more point about this relates to the capital equipment fund. We should, I would like us to get to a place where we're having a consistent investment over time. You don't see swings that we don't have to say, I'll meet you tomorrow at 300,000. It's going to take us a little while to get there. But it makes me very nervous to have two graders that are as old as they are, approaching 30 years old. We would like to have, you know, ideally one that's 15 years old and one that's 30 and ready to be replaced. So, you know, it's long-term thinking that we're trying to employ her. I assume that this new one is going to be 20 years improvements in the greater world. Technology. We need to train new guys how to run it. They're very friendly to new people or even experienced operators that are getting into them these days. They're, you know, it's just like cell phones. You know, they came from a flip phone and now they're, you know, you can do whatever you want on them. And people are on a greater... Tony, is it, is a greater, a greater, a greater? I mean... No. How much? And so... I mean, is a car a car? Fuck it. You know, you say greater and I, my brain, limited experience with them is, oh, it's a greater. And yet, what are we getting? What are we paying for? What do we need? You know. Well, some of them have what you call a car, four-wheel drive. Like these. Some of them don't. That makes a big difference. I think that's part of what John's talking about is the power. When you have a car by blade, you need all of those wheels to create power to dig, right? Because they could run the greater across your road and they can make it look really nice for about two days and then it's going to come right back to what it is. So the idea is, is that they really have to be able to cut these out, otherwise they come right back. You know, and if they can cut it out and they can do three miles in one day and they don't have to redo that same three miles in two weeks, that saves you a lot of time. I believe the calculation that we did was it would take eight weeks to grade every road in Calis once. With both graders operating? With both graders operating and two people gone every day, so that leaves you what's left of the road crew to do whatever else is left, which is a lot. So it does make a big difference. Have you thought about running 24 hours a day? Would you like to join the road? Anything else on the greater? All right, let's move on to the budget. Is Jordan there? Yes. Jordan, can you hear us? Can we hear him? He's muted. He's muted? Can you, how do we unmute? Oh, Jordan, would you please unmute? I'm going to turn on video audio. We have a brief moment. The first thing at the top of my list I forgot, which was I have a lot of respect and gratitude for the road crew. Incredible work always, and even more so over the past year. So thank you. Thank you. All right, I see he's there, but he's muted. Can you ask to unmute? He's going to say, does that sound like a note? There's a little notification that he might be able to do that. Well, Kai, I hate to do this, but do you mind walking us through this? Sure, yeah. So I came in this budget process sort of midway. We're just going to give a very high level. This is the summary. All right, so the budget is divided into actually three sections. There's the general government that covers a bunch of different services, but the office, the hall, the staff. It's not the highway department, essentially. Then there's the highway department, which is primarily the road crew and equipment and associated expenses of the garage. Those two portions are put together and voted on as a block. And then the third portion of what's voted on the warned articles, which I'll talk about that a little bit. But when we talk about the budget, in terms of what you're going to be voting on, it's the combination of general government and highway expenses. And this is just the big summary here. The general government, $729,067, increase of 23% over last year's budget. Highway department, $964,481, decrease of 2%. So we pause right there. The reason for those big swings is actually my position, which is town administrator. That position was allocated, in a sense, to the highway department in the FY24 budget. It was called the Director of Public Works. And then that got converted to the town administrator and moved over. So at the same rate, budget allocation of $80,000 per year for the salary. So that explains why there's such a big discrepancy in there. And then combined together, one point, almost $7 million is 7.5% increase. And it started out quite a bit higher than that when we hit the initial graph. I think we were up around 13%. Well, you were just over. Yeah. We were able to whittle it down to 7.5%. All right, so. And then within the board articles, there are three big categories. There's the library and social services. So the library is about half of this amount. And then the social services is a list of what? Barber 20-something nonprofits, essentially. All that together is 63,000 a little down from last year. Versus services, which is a combination of east one player fire department and ambulance and Woodbury fire department and ambulance. That increased 8% to 307,635. That's the proposal that you'll vote on. And then the Cemetery Commission, and they are only asking for 45,000 this year, an increase of 9%. So you put it all together, all three of those categories, general government, highway department, and ward articles, it's an increase of about 7%. Okay, and then we're getting into some of the key increases. And again, this is the budget FY 25 budget over FY 24. Employee wages is the big one. That's $87,000 increase there. And so, and spoke to this, there is some additional hours, but it's mostly in the form of wages, starting with the new highway department contractor we have, and then increases for others. This is what we saw in the school budget, is that when all the inflation that's happened over the past couple of years, it gets concentrated into certain budgets. And that's what we're seeing here. Employee medical insurance also saw a big increase. And that plan is offered through our insurer, which is, offers to most municipalities. So it's something that's negotiated on our behalf, and there's an economy of scale, but even there, it's going up quite a lot. And then fire and ambulance, as I said, that's seeing an increase. The single audit is an additional 10,000. That's something that's required because we are hopefully going to be receiving quite a bit of money from FEMA. And so that, you know, that'll be required. And then an assessor. So this is something new that's been built into the budget. The, it was anticipated that we wouldn't have any candidates for the Lister seat that's coming up this year. And looking down the road, wondering if we were going to have a full team of Listers. In the future. And as some other towns are contemplating about hiring that out to a part-time professional assessor. And so built into this budget was one quarter, the fourth quarter of an assessor at $6,000. We may or may not need that. Actually, we do have a candidate for Lister next year. All told together, total budget increase year over year is 136,000. 757%. And you'll see that these numbers, you know, the individual line items, total more than that 136. And that's because it's being offset partially by other increases. All right. And then I think we're just getting to the end here. This is just a breakdown of, you know, where does the money go. Highway departments, the largest 46% general government 34. Emergency services is 15%. So that's a big portion. And so on. And here's what the warning looks like. Shallow voters authorized total fund expenditures for operating expenses of 1,693,548. Again, that's the highway department and general government, those two portions. Of which 1,367,718 should be raised by taxes. And the $325,830 by non-tax revenue. That is detailed out in the town report. It's things like all those fees that the town clerk collects, current use assessments and so on. There's a breakdown of what that is. And you'll vote on the cemetery budget separately and the social services. Those would be separate votes. And the emergency services as well. Yeah. All right, great job. Thank you. All right, the questions on the budget now, on the general budget. Yes, Scott. Back to the greater for just a minute. When will we get it? It takes a year, I think, after you. Well, we have to order it. So that's the first hurdle. And when we were taking planning this project, we thought it would probably take about a year. Because there are trucks that we order to take a year to ride. It depends on who we go with. Anderson, there's one company that quoted us, actually said it would be about eight weeks. So it could be a lot quicker. We'll also have to work out the financing. The bond bank does two rounds. So we're right in the thick of it right now. We're just awarded for the corresponding dam. So there's the March pool and then there's the August pool. So we would have to, if this were approved, we'd have to get ready to apply, I think by May, to have a bond issued in August. Or we would have to wait until January to apply for March. Not right away. Not right away. And in general about this budget. Great job. I know how hard you guys work that. Can you do anything next year? Is this what they call sustainable? Yeah. You got a good team. Well, thanks. Yeah, and we've got Kari now. So that's helpful too. Kari's got much larger budgets than this. So let me just pause and say, Mary. I lean is saying I'm not seeing any people. Should I see everyone proposed? It's because you have the screen share. Yeah. Once you stop sharing, Mary, you'll be able to see other folks. So I can stop anytime. And other questions? I have a question. This isn't too late. I had that question. If you're working through the Kyrgyzstan project. May add something about that? Why not? I understand the importance of putting a greater out to a bond. And I understand the bond bid for the Kyrgyzstan was voted for. But I've been going through the slack work from years before. No one ever voted to own a dam. And you're talking about increasing liability. I mean, why wasn't that actually. We did. to talk about that a little bit. Well, we saw it. We agreed to enter into those quick play. But we never was promoted to greater. Right. We're not in the greater. We're voting for greater. But we never voted for greater. Oh, you're saying the town didn't vote for greater. Right. Yeah, we never voted to own the dam. That's true. That was the former select board before we all came on, signed a memo of understanding with the Curtis Pond Association, which created a path towards fixing the dam, which ultimately would result in the town taking ownership once it's fixed. And that was the culmination of several years of discussions and negotiations. But I never heard any. Well, we never voted. It was never voted into a meeting. Just the bond was. Yeah, that's true. Craig, I put you off on a question that you wanted to ask earlier. Did you get your answer? I don't know. OK. But I do have a couple comments about the budget overall. And I understand the process you went through. It's very clear. I appreciate you doing what you could to lower it as much as you can. And yet a 7% increase, together with a 18% to 20% increase in school portion of our taxes, it's a 25% increase in our property taxes in one year. And I understand the need for the greater. I'm just not sure a lot of people can afford this whole bottle wax. And I have questions for the school board. I'm going to attend that meeting next Monday night. It's a shudder. I mean, I remember the town budget used to be about a million. And the Calis school was about two. And now it seems like both have double. I mean, I can't even fathom the school district portion of it is $44 million. And none of that makes sense to me. Because, and now there are inklings, I read between the lines of Kari's post last week about, and we're reevaluating the use of our facilities. Two in particular will be looked at. Oh, what would those be? Worcester and Calis? I'm assuming. I don't know until I go listen. But the numbers scare me. Even 7% on top of them. 258, just. While we worked on this budget as someone who could struggles, my house is cold all winter. I spent one entire winter pitting my kids nothing but macaroni with olive oil because I couldn't afford groceries. So we had a lot of very frank conversations about affordability. I have no control over the school budget. But we almost cut ours in half. And we cut a lot of things that people are going to be really bummed out about. And that have always been sacred and always been there. And we've asked a lot of people to take pets. But you have to pay people. And being able to pay people what ultimately probably isn't the living wage anymore. But insurance benefits and those things. And the level of things that municipalities have to do now necessitated having a little bit of struggle. I mean, I was kind of duly. But then I'm so happy to hear that because it's really been this summer. We're like, we have jobs. I had a lot of time to tell you it was this. Full time, even before the pledges, it was so much I know in the end which has worked for like seven days. This is based off of a volunteer job, which is unsustainable either because we want people to be able to do these positions and participate in a select board and have capacity to do that and not be exclusionary to certain people that can't because they're trying to keep food on the table like me. So we didn't try. I think one other aspect of our deliberations on this that's important here is we've talked a lot about sort of cost now versus cost later. And sure, there were other things we could chop. We could not put money into a technology reserve fund or something. But then next year, we have to put twice as much in because we have to replace the server and we have to. So I think we tried really hard to juggle the keeping this year's budget increase as small as we could without getting ourselves into trouble in future years. It's that balance of planning and sustainability. Thank you. Charlotte. I do. This is really tough because our credit is absolutely right. We cannot afford 20% tax increases. We can't. That's not something you can reasonably ask people to do. And the thought of people who are on fixed income, it's just scary. You can't ask people to do that. And I don't know what the answer is. There's no clear answer except we need. And we, one year only, in my experience, the school and the town cooperated on who was going to increase so that we could have a manageable increase between the two of them. But usually, they're completely independent. And we just add them together and say, oh, well, this is what they add together to. And I don't think we can do this this year, I think. And our COA, you know. So when you put all of those together, it isn't something people could do. I think that both the education and the town need to identify a few things that if we really are up to 20% that they could cut to bring these down for people. And I know it hurts. I know it. And I think you did a grand job. Absolutely, you did do a grand job. But together, 20% doesn't work for anybody. Well, it's a 27% job. 100% is a school. Well, I mean, we don't have any. That's all. So no, your 7% increase doesn't translate into a 7% tax increase. No, but I'm saying that the 20% you're looking at probably within an 18% or 20% school, 27%. That including we're about 0.72 CLA, so that's additional. Yeah, so we don't know until the last until later what the actual tax increase is going to be. And that's what really matters. Not so much the increase, but how does it translate into taxes? And we don't know that. And that's terrifying a lot of people. It is terrifying. We had a person at our town meeting planning day who was talking about having to sell off pieces of land just to remain in their home. Yes. You know, they don't want to go to a special place. They want to stay in their special place. And there's a lot of folks. And she's not the only one. Well, no. So I'm just saying, in case it's really that bad, try to at least discuss what might we offer up. We have done that, Charlotte. And all we could come up with, I'd have to look at the list, but it was essentially cut the reserve funds. And Jamie just addressed that. And do I worry? I hear you. I hear you. I mean, we didn't fund the Cursepond Dock the way they wanted to. There were some other things. The conservation people wanted more. And we didn't get to them for that reason. Just a minute, John. I think Jake is next. James. Oh, sorry, James. OK. So first off, the town did a fantastic job. 13% to 7.5 is a massive, massive cut. The large portion of this tax increase is coming from the state level, not the local level. The state school tax is going up approximately 18.5% across the state. So the local schools have cut their budgets as much as they possibly can. The state is the big driver for this massive jump. Well, I completely agree that it's a lot of money to increase in one year for property owners in general. It's the schools can't cut much more out of their personal budgets. John, did you want to add to that? I was just going to say what he just said. I mean, the state has a failed education plan right now. It was supposed to benefit towns and its turn against us. So where's Mark at? Where's Mark at? I don't believe he's at home. I think he opened up my house before I left. He's hiding in the basement. He might be. They're saying the cabinet could be going up 46%. Oh, my god. Oh, my god, people can't do that. Some of the other towns are talking those kinds of rates, too. Do we have any other questions about the budget? Things we have to control over. It's not the old budget. Parts of it. Yes, Reed. I just wanted to say that it doesn't appear that the staff pattern, and particularly the office staff, it's not clear that that's been decided completely. I noticed that when you add up the assistant treasurer, assistant clerk numbers comes out to, I think, close to two full-time people. But that's not the set up we have now. So it would help me and maybe other taxpayers if they knew what the staffing pattern, exactly, was going to be. Is it going to be a full-time assistant clerk or just a half-time? Yeah, we're sort of, as Cary gets more experience with it, we're working on that. Cary, at the moment, are we ready to say? Yeah, we have a plan that's built into the budget. One thing to point out is that this year that we're in currently, our treasurer is basically an independent contractor. Senator came back, but he did it on an independent basis. So it's a little, it's basically hard to compare apples and apples in that way. But our plan for next year is, when Senator retires, to appoint my position to be the treasurer and then eventually hire an assistant treasurer to help with data entry and some of the little functions. So it's budgeted at 20 hours per week, that position, but I'm not, it's not clear to me that we'll need that or something, maybe less. I'm sorry, maybe I misheard, but did you say something about your position being eliminated? No, you would be absorbing it. Be appointed the treasurer in addition to being the town administrator. Cary will have three positions. He's going to be the road commissioner, he's going to be the treasurer, and he's going to be our town administrator. And he's going to have some assistance to help him with that. And none of them will be full-time. And that's, you know, honestly, that's not the model that was presented to me when I was hired. That wasn't the thing. However, when we got into this budgeting process, it became very clear we have to make some hard decisions about what this staffing, the office staffing model's going to look like. That seemed to be a reasonable, you know, next step for us. I think it would help people a lot as we're explaining publicly somehow. Thank you. That's good feedback. I think you're going to have some talk. And just to address that, thank you, Reed. It is that way on the organizational chart. And in one block, it does show town administrator, treasurer, hand road commissioner, as one person. Yeah. How do I hear the ones to talk? Dude. He's unmuted. I think I'm unmuted. Can you guys, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. I'm very sorry for the disconnect in the beginning there. I'm still not quite sure why that was happening, but calling in from playing cast or fresh off of my training responsibilities. So, Kari, thank you for picking up my shortcomings there. But, you know, I think I have been listening all along and I do really appreciate the dialogue. It's, for this board in particular, it was really hard to come into last year and get a sense of what our needs were and how do we continue on the good, the good paperwork that the previous boards have put into trying to assess what the town staffing needs were and what the positions were. And we were incredibly fortunate, I think, to have Kari and the road crew members that we have who have a lot of knowledge about the town and its infrastructure. So, you know, in hiring Kari in the town administrator position, we're looking forward to do more longer term planning that was much, that's much needed. You know, that's what you really want your elected officials paying attention to. And we really can't do that unless we have a staff that is adequately covering the administrative work of the office. And we're now realizing what those efficiencies look like and those advantages look like. So there are still positions that we're not quite sure or role, I would say, not positions, roles that we're still trying to figure out what's reasonable for a single individual to play out while also allowing Kari the opportunity to feel out and say what those roles should be and where we might be able to existing staff or to hire them. But, you know, I think what we found as a community over the last couple of years, it is incredibly hard to find people who can do the work proficiently. And not only is it hard, it's really expensive. About where we landed and comfortable with where we landed with the negotiations for the road proof and that staff. And I feel really comfortable and feel that it was appropriate where we landed with the existing staff. That's just, that's my 10 cents or 20 cents or however many cents. Thank you, Jordan. All right, if there's nothing else, I think we'll end this part of the meeting. Thank you, everybody, for coming. Appreciate your input. Appreciate the responses. Thanks. Don't forget the cake. Does anybody have any information on the creamy machine this week? The big thing with the e-scap, the store, the creamy machine. Johnson waiting for it. Okay, with that, we'll move on to the administrative portion of the meeting. Minutes, February 12th. Y'all have a chance to read them. I think you guys, hey, John, Charlotte. I'm sorry. Minutes. Can I have a motion to approve the minutes of February 12th as written? So moved. Don't move. Okay. You got three. Okay, exactly. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Sit back down for a second. Donnie Ann, enjoy it. Donnie Ann and Jordan move. I prefer to be in one at a second then. Okay, one at a second. Donnie is making motions at, you know, Donnie, you've come a long way. Just learning what to say. I will happily second. All in favor. Thank you. You've all had a chance to look at the board orders. Can I have a motion to approve and sign the board orders? So moved. Hey, hey, this time Ann moved and Donnie seconded, how about? There you go, all in favor. All in favor. Hi. I'm chocolate cake. Municipal Climate Relief Fund loan. Teresa's own line of credit type of loan, cash flow loan that the state bond bank is going to provide. We've been told that there'd be an announcement on Friday. In fact, they weren't ready. So we were, they did indicate we'd probably get around $100,000 of the 500 that we applied for. They will, they're saying now that they will make the announcement March 13th. So after your next meeting with a closing a week later. So I hope to break the resolution to accept, to authorize that borrowing so we can go ahead and close, even though the amount's going to be a little bit uncertain, I believe. And then I'll contact the bank and prepare to draw the line of credit for the balance of what we need to get paid. We're definitely going to need the entire 100,000. Yes, how much do we need to go beyond that? A lot of that depends on when the FEMA money starts flowing. But there's also the corresponding dam construction and how much contractor will need. And the third part is the reappraisal. And we know that those payments will start in July, but I don't know the amounts yet. But actually the price of that contract has nothing to say yet. So chances are we're actually going to need more than 100,000 and we'll have to draw the line of credit. We applied for 500,000, that was the number. This is a bit of a win victory, something in the neighborhood of 500,000. And when the FEMA money comes in, we'll be able to repay it. All right, so there's no action that we have to do today. Any questions for Kari on that? OK, fire alarm system. We received grants for that. Right, so we applied for a grant from Passive, which is our insurance company. This is a safety feature, obviously. So they are awarding us this grant of $2,500. The entire project will cost $5,320. So I'm going to ask you to authorize the spending of $2,820.22 that have come out of the town office was refined where there is over $54,000. So I think it's a pretty good investment. Basically getting half off. Fire alarm system. Yeah, and it's a system that will be monitored remotely, right? It's not just something that makes noise that will be related to James say. I'm not the one monitoring the school. Who's the one who gets called at the town office? We don't have any alarms there. So we don't have anybody signed. Tony is for here. John is for the garage. And now we'll need to assign that. I'm saying this is seco security. Seco security. We'll need to assign somebody to be the alarm person. That's what A&M calls. They'll call like that. Fire alarm. Plus they'll inform whoever we give them in town. So I have a, it's related to emergency services at the building when the fire alarm comes in. Do you guys have what's known as a Knox box, like a box on the outside of the building for us to get in? Yes. Perfect. Yeah, Toby uses it and you would do. Yes, we have it. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. Kari, is there any action required of us right now? Yeah, so authorize the spending $2,840.40 cents from the town office. And are we going to? Oh, I see. So we don't need to sign anything. We just need to authorize the spending. OK, will somebody move that, please? So I think Jamie moved and Jordan seconded then. Rose, did you get the motion or do you need that repeated? You mean this one? Yeah. I think I already know about it. OK, so that's a yes. That's a great, it's this much, but any extra, so you're going to take it out. No, but the motion is to authorize the expenditure of $2,820,000 and 42 cents out of the office reserve fund to pay for the fire alarm system. Got it. Thank you. All right. All in favor? Aye. And the motion passes unanimously. OK, when we hired Kari, we paid him a little less than we said we would after the first three months. We said we would give him a little increase up to a full amount that we put in the budget, which is the $80,000. We met in executive session at our last meeting and said, yes, Kari's doing a great job. Kari gets his raise. So I'll take a motion. I guess how would that work? A motion to increase Kari's salary to $80,000, effective immediately. Or effective with the next payment. In the next payment period. Which would be Monday? Next Monday. Next Monday. OK. All right, would somebody like to join and move it? You wanted it. You can separate. I'll separate. You're faster than me this time. All in favor? Bye. OK. Public comment? Anybody? Yeah, Scott, you can always count on you. My mom was full of cake. It was good. It was very good. Thank you, Kari. Oh, it's like Barbara. She's slaving away all of them. Oh, my goodness. I'm sorry to jump in the head here, but I want to leave. I love your directness. I noticed that the Curtis Mondan for that first bullet, the words I read is in order to clarify that the count is not on the dam and will not on the dam until completion of the project. And it's not a question. I don't have a question about that. But FEMA has already given us $34,141. We've received this. The money has been allocated by FEMA. And that assumes that we do own the dam. So for clarification, somebody should talk to Koby. For clarification, if we want it. Well, if we don't own the dam, I don't know. We do not own the dam. We do not own the dam because we have not signed the quid claim dates. And we don't intend to until the dam is repaired because we can't get insurance until then. FEMA's giving us that money with the understanding that we did own the dam after the dam. So I wonder if this is like a pretty extenuating circumstance just because of the timing of the project and the process that we're going through and then the timing of the event. And so I wonder if there is some language that one of the lawyers can come up with to supplement that application that basically. So the deed work has been completed. The deeds are essentially being held. The ownership and deed work is being held in escrow until the project is complete because that's the only way we can kind of transfer ownership. That's how this naturally plays out. So it's definitely going to require a conversation, both I think with FEMA and probably with our lawyer to determine how we could work through that. This is fairly unique. But I don't think I would have to assume that some women would probably understand. Take a look at the language that Thomas has written. It says, improvements financed with the proceeds of the bond will be used for public safety and owned by the borrower. So it says it will be owned by the borrower. There's no question that we will take ownership. The FEMA gave us that money. That was the first chunk of money we got with the understanding that we owned the dam at the time of the event. That was very interesting, something that we want to clarify. I'll bring it up to the board to strategize how to present this information. Thank you all. Great job. You don't want to hear about this stormwater thing? No, thank you. No, thank you. Yeah, they know. You can take it. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah. But we have to do it for you. I'm glad you got this. OK, thank you. Anybody else with public comments? OK. Have a good night. Thanks. Thank you. Preparation for town meeting. I don't know what to do. I think we're fairly in a good shape. Anybody have anything that's come up that they want to talk about, or things they're concerned that might be raised? Should we move on from that one now? All right. Curtis Pondam. Oh, that's the one we just talked about. OK, so what we're going to do is we're going to put that off, even though we're going to. This has to be signed on the 13th. Even the closing on the 13th. Thomas Maloney said that you could just authorize this change verbally. If it's captured in the minutes, then you'll make that change to the document, or however you're supposed to. So we'll put that off, and maybe we'll do something on the 11th, or maybe we'll do something. No, no, he's asking that you make this change tonight. Verbally, it'll be reflected in the minutes, and then. He said it's a minor enough change that the document, he can update the document like a screw-up. Yes, but Scott's concerned that if we do it tonight, we lose the female money. Oh, I didn't take that, because the term wasn't on the date. That's the follow-up. Well, the FEMA is giving us $43,000 predicated that we own it. Well, we don't. Right, but whether or not. No, I know that, but it was implied that we did. But whether or not. So we could have to give the money back. Yeah, but I'll think that what you do tonight, if I smell that. Right, whether or not we make this motion, that's a conversation that's going to happen with FEMA. And this motion isn't going to change the outcome of that conversation with FEMA. OK, well, I mean, we can't really know it. So this would say that. I mean, that's, yeah, I don't want to sign something to say we own it, because we don't. We don't. Well, no, exactly. And we don't want to mislead FEMA about that either. Right. That was the consequence, I think. He was just sort of reminded by this language. Yeah, OK. So what's the sense here? Do you want to go with this language that Thomas drafted? It's if you can't join the language. I think, you know, when you talk to Thomas, the conversation that we had here, so he's aware of it. I think that'll work. Because he can try to provide guidance, and then, yeah. Absolutely. OK. So I'm sorry, Kari, we have to do this by a resolution? No, you can verbally authorize this change. OK. Tonight. So we can. Now we reflect in the minutes, I'll let Thomas know. OK. And he'll just adjust the document. So we need a motion to authorize adjustment of the document as written in the minutes. I mean, in the agenda. All right. Who's going to get? Who's going to move that? No, no, no. Oh, my gosh. Don't move. OK. All second. It's like, all I have to do, I mean, would someone please second? I'll second. OK. All in favor? Aye. I abstain. You're abstaining. That's right. Jamie abstained. So speaking from my, so all I did was that language that was already there. Yep. So I just wrote that we had made that into a motion. And so this all stays the same. Correct. That is Jamie. Got it. Jamie, would you like, oh, so is this going to give an update? Yeah. I don't know if Jamie has anything. But if you have an update on where you are at this point, please share. Well, I can share that we updated the sources and uses budget. There's something that Ann asked for during that whole process. Where do we stand? Where is everything? That's certainly on my mind. So Marce, we came in and Jamie and I just went through. And matched up. I was so impressed with this. We matched up the first bond associations accounting with the town systems accounting. And it was to the penny. I was really impressed. So we have a really good sense of what has been raised and what has been spent so far. We spent to date $70,000. $70,000 more than $33. Most of that's been engineering. So my question is just exactly how much hard cash do we have right now? Is it the $236,000? Because things like pledges, I mean, those are money we don't have. Those are very money. The $235,000 plus the $100,000 plus the $8,500 old pledges. But that's money that is in hand. Well, except that some of it's been spent, we spent $70,000. OK. Yeah. But you're exactly right. We are waiting on the lion's share. Or we're unfortunately waiting on the bond. And we're waiting on that last item, the $213,000. And we don't have the new pledges in hand. OK. So that's the old pledges in our hand, because that's what I'm asking, because it's great that people spend $50,000 today. Old pledges, we have, right? We have. Yeah. Yeah. Those are our pledges. OK. Yeah. So we're looking at just under $400,000-ish. In how much we have? Well, in how much we need, like, in hand. So we need the bond. That's in our hand. I'm not cutting. OK. Yes, we need the new pledges, and we need to grant future donations. donations and other. OK. Yeah. So what is the total number? $232,000 and $160,000. So it'd be $392,000. And then combine that with the bond with them. So that's the piece that's missing. Missing. That's not hard in our pockets. And we're very confident about the new pledges. We're pretty confident about either the grant and or the remaining donations. But that's what you'll need to see on March 11th. Right, yes. I mean, I don't have a whole lot to add other than there's a lot of confidence that we're going to get there. Everyone's optimistic that the grant will do that. But there's a lot of conversations happening and money that can be raised in that last week once we know about the grant. And we've had a lot of people working on getting the grant. I believe. Yes. I know Mark has been haunting the agency. Yeah, they've gotten letters of support from three or four different local representatives from area towns. And I know they're not saying exactly when we'll know. I know their next meeting is Friday, March 1st. So presumably they make decisions then and notify shortly thereafter. And then we'll have a week or 10 days to finalize all the numbers and see where we are. Down to the wire. And we were looking to the address rate on the bond, which came in 3.81%, which is quite a bit better than what we had initially planned for 4.5% back in December. So that's good news. Yes, thanks for providing us with that. Did you guys get a chance to look at that? I printed out the few pages that were just the callus numbers if anybody hasn't looked at it. I have it here. But you have it on your back. So it tells you what the interest will be in some. OK, anything else on Curtis Pondam? Stormwater. Carrie. Yeah, so remember this came up two weeks ago when CBPRC was here? Brian talked about the two East Cal Stormwater projects, which I had never heard of. So that was all we should get back to Brian last week. And he explained that this was part of the master planning for the Kingsbury branch and part of the world. And they had identified like 40 projects, and then they narrowed it down to five, and two of them happened to be in East Calus. And so the great thing about this is that it's essentially fully funded. That's the plan anyway. They still need to go out to bid to the contractor. They have full completed designs. They're going to bid if there's a gap in the funding trend. We'll address it somehow or other. But there really aren't any gap sizes to these projects that I can tell. They're just asking that Slutcourt Pledge support for it, just as an indicator to the student that I'm on board. And then we would want to inform the neighbors it's on because it's been paused for a little while. But other than that, I think it's good news. Oh, there is some ongoing makeups. I mentioned that. And that can be handled by our road crew if they have great equipment. I guess they have like vacuums that pull dust out of the catch cases that's used to me. Backer traps. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're just kind of like a porter party. They just show up and pull the top off and suck it away. I have to look up SLR International, who they did the engineering. They're a huge firm. On their website, they have makeup projects they do all over the world. And they designed East Catalyst's Stormwater. I think it's European or something designed. I mean, the world's my name because it was a while ago. They have offices in Europe and Canada and India and all over the place. It's really pretty amazing. There's this whole process of stormwater plating. It's new technology. Mm-hmm, OK. I did let it offer, since it's literally my neighbor's apartment, I can go around and I can do the informing part and just want it to offer if there is right now. It seems like it kind of moves on its own. But if you need more, working with a guy, because it is my garden. I think James had a question for you. The old mill man that's right there in the village, near the post office. Does this project take into account at all if this dam does end up being removed? I don't think so. I think it's primarily focused on the branch that runs behind it that's been having a lot of erosion problems in that by the post office. So I think that we should let Brian know that that will be. But while the state's going to provide money to take that dam down, I don't know when it's going to happen. So yeah. So Karin, what do you need from us tonight? So there's a sample letter in the folder. And it'd be nice if you authorized me and signed it. It's very sort of purple. Rosa suggested a couple of east cows post office to be clear. And then sites is plural in the last sentence. But you can say whatever just as long as it is expressed. So this is a to whom it may concerns letter. And it commits us to maintaining the project for at least 10 years. All right. Would somebody like to move to authorize one of us to sign the letter, which is going to go to the Vermont Department of Environmental Conservation? Who's paying for it? I'm just moved. OK. Anna's moved. Is there a second? Oh, wait a minute. Who's going to sign it? You can sign it. Karin can sign it. Well, you have a letter there, right, Karin? When you pick it up. Karin can sign it. I haven't made the changes that Rosa suggested. Yeah, there we go. OK. Is it OK if I did it? Oh, sorry. You have some changes? Well, Rosa suggested I make east callus to clarify there, and then sites in the last sentence be plural. OK. With those three post offices, you shouldn't just say a callus post office, right? How lucky are we? OK. You can have one for two. One for two times is likely. One for two times. How close are we? All right. Do we have the motion cleared? The actual and made the motion to authorize. Karin. Karin is going to sign it. No letter to the Department of Foreign Affairs. OK. And so who's second? Jamie's second. Is all in favor? Aye. OK. Aye. All right. This could be a relatively short meeting, guys. Tegan, do you have anything to report to us? I don't really have a lot to say that's new. We are in the thick of it preparing for the election next week. We're getting a lot of ballots in. We are no longer mailing ballots out, but people can still pick them up if they want them and drop them back off. We're getting logistics down. We're starting volunteer election volunteer trainings this week for folks to come in and learn kind of how things will be set up and how the day is going to go. Barbara and I are meeting with Chris Tuller this week to kind of start planning the setup for the gym because there's a lot we need to fit in that room for the election this year. Yeah. And then humming along with the usual clerk business, but that's kind of the big thing that's going on right now. Barbara, feel free to add anything you think I'm leaving out. It's pretty much all about election this week. Yeah. Well, this is a first for Tegan. And once you've done this, Tegan, you'll have had a whole year. You'll have been through a whole cycle. This will be my first election with four elections going on. And then we've got two more this year, but I feel like there'll be sort of small potatoes compared to running this circus. All right. Well, thank you. Kari, do you have anything else? Yeah, well, I mentioned the gravel tire puncture concern. And if you saw that, it's not there. Hopefully that will calm down now. I think, in part, that was due to having freshly kind of gravel on top and then freezing in place. And so with the warm temperatures this week, things are going to get squished. We're going to go back to our ruts pretty quick here. But I just want to make sure you're aware of that. Also, they started posting the rubs today, because it's supposed to be in the 50s tomorrow. And actually, for the foreseeable future. Is this it? Is this flood season? This is it. There's Thursday, it's going to drop down to a high of the teens. But then it's going right back into the 50s and even some 60s with some rain. So it should get interesting. We had a safety inspection of our three facilities recently, the PASTIF, our insurance company. There were a number of low level recommendations. I mean, they're all going to find something. I think their job was to help you be safer. There were two mediums. One had to do with the sand pile at the garage. And it's so tall that the concern was to have the public have access to it, which I don't know if you can do that, but the public would know it and pick up some sand. They suggested creating a secondary pile or maybe putting it outside on the other side of the gate. So we could access it and just be out of the way of the crew. The other one was this building, the snow sheds that way. And they suggested signage and barriers or something to indicate that that's not safe to stand next to the building. And then we also, I didn't mention this earlier, but Peter Yonke from Montcenter for Independent Living and Peter's other callous friend that inspected this building and the office for accessibility. And we got some recommendations that the big ones that are a little harder to, what will be challenged the plan was to pave both parking lots. And you can understand why it's in a wheelchair or just having mobility challenges wouldn't be, it's not that easy to get into these buildings here. We, in terms of FEMA approvals, we cleared a hurdle today, which is the state is actually going to receive the money from FEMA and then write checks to us. And in order to qualify for distributions from the state, we have to be awarded, we have to be awarded a summer certificate grant. And the stateless, now they have all the pieces they need for that, so get in closer. And- This is for the correspondant. No, well, for all of them, that correspondant has already been approved. I believe the Moscow Woods, the single biggest item has been approved as well. So, so, you know- So when could we get the money? I mean, I don't know. Keep waiting. But I'm not sure what the obstacles are to those two. Yeah, yeah. So that's- So it could be any month. And if we get the money for those projects, we may not have to go on our line of credit. Is that right? Correct, correct. Boy, that would be wonderful. That would be great. Yeah. And the last thing is, I've been getting some fairly intense training in accounts payable for the transfer of the commission. And that's just in time because Sandra is heading off on a vacation for a couple weeks. So, I'll actually be wanting the next accounts payable. Well, we'll officially be appointing you, Treasurer, right after town meeting, won't we? I mean, you could do it any time during March. So, remind on the agenda for, maybe the second we can march, it would be the most appropriate. Okay. And about the snow coming off the roof, is that something, as road commissioner, you would handle? Yeah, yeah, I'll follow up. We'll figure out something to do that. Okay. I don't think we're gonna be paving the parking lot anytime soon, but- One thing I've seen places is like, pave the two handicapped spots and the swath to this back entrance without having to do the whole- It could be done in stages, yeah. That could, that might be doable, yeah. But definitely trying to get it flat and, because even for people using canes. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. It's like in paradise, yeah. Yeah. So, you know- Jolly. Well, that one was in the parking lot and I think it would, you know, as soon as you have to come up with this next year's budget. Yeah, I'm glad though that you got a chance to come up with it. But it's gonna have that kind of expertise, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right, because I'm off for years. Okay. Thank you, Kari. Sure. Jordan, anything on IT? Not at the moment, no. Okay. Jordan and Ann, anything on shed? I didn't tell you. I'll send you an email and I need to talk next time about it. Next time. Okay. All right then. Is there anything else? Really? It's only 7.30. I might stop saying that. Oh, I think some of us have been a little sad. We're bringing a new podcast in the day. The next meeting will be the re-organized meeting, right? Yeah. The checklist. Yeah, so the next meeting we'll be looking at all the appointments, re-appointments. Yes. So it's adopting rules procedure? No. We won't be doing it. Do you mean all that committee and commission? What we're gonna do about the second half of the month? Not the first meeting, but the second meeting of March? I think we'll probably do one. You guys will need the re-organization. You guys will have your lecture to be an officer. Oh, that's right. Yes. And adopt rules procedure again. And I anticipate maybe an executive session just to have a little conversation about how we wanna do some personnel, by which I mean committee, appointment things, stuff like that. All right, then. Motion to adjourn the meeting. So moved. Donnie. Whoa, look at you. And Jamie seconded, all in favor? Aye. Okay. Thank you. Good night, everybody.