 That's from the 28th, it was the 3 o'clock, you know. Any questions or concerns that we motion to approve? I will move to approve. I'll second. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Nancy, you're up now. I should have put the final wrap up of my reconstruction. The construct. So, the construction is pretty much done. If you look out of the children's area, the Kiegel area, it still has some section to be for concrete, et cetera. We've had some minor punch list things, but we're pretty much done. Excuse me, I have to see this, but it's not there yet. That doesn't mean that there won't be something in the future, because it looks like within the next couple years, the upstairs will be carpeted. And then, some folks have looked at it from the carpeting angle. We know that there are cracks upstairs as well. There are some samples of ones down here, but some of them aren't potential enough to be repaired here. So, however they take the carpet up from there, there will be some repairs, but because they aren't, they don't appear to be as clear as the ones down here, I think we should be able to do that when the time comes. This section is not closed to do this. And also, we can look at some of the more modern, actual library movers that will... They use a hydraulic lift system, and they come in and they can lift up entire ranges of books and move them and, you know, you do the carpet things and then it just pulls up back down without having to take those on itself. So, that would save a ton of time and effort, because even with movers down here, there was a lot of redoing for staff. So, anyway, we're pretty pleased with the results. At least, thank goodness we actually got new carpet and not just repairs that no one can see, because people have had very positive about what they've seen, at least. We made a huge effort when we were putting things back to not put everything back. We had accumulated too much furniture over the years. We had a lot of old furniture in here that wasn't doing much, so we did a lot of consolidation. So, if you do walk literally, you hopefully will notice how much more open an area looks in here. We don't intend to put a lot of that back. So, when I first came here, that lobby just drove me crazy. It was so cluttered that people were having a tough time navigating. And it was a little different mindset because there was that big counter and then those stanchions of things with the ropes and all those things, and I said, okay, what do you think? You know, it's really crowded. Can we take these out? And I said, well, that patrons will walk right up to the desk. And I said, okay. So, all right. The code staff does not have that mindset. So I think it's much more open and that's the idea is to have patrons approach the desk without those barriers in the way. So, we just do have our plexiglass up. I don't think it'll be up there for very long. So, it's not going up. The construction, I think, not much of anything left to record. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. How did the opening go? It went really well. I mean, seriously, I don't know who is more close to crying with us or the patrons. So, sometimes both. We did kind of a low-key opening. We didn't do a soft opening because we did, you know, was out there. But I was glad we did it the way we did it because it was a nice, steady flow of people. We're still in a shorter schedule for the next couple of weeks until we're back fully staffed with another building studio, et cetera. But in six hours, we checked out about 2,600 items. And we had a good 1,000 people in and it just went really well. So, people were thrilled to be back. We only had two complaints so far and that was concerning the fact that we have not put out all of our little toys in the children's area because we really don't have a good way to sanitize them between every patron right now and since kids can't be vaccinated, you're not going to need them out for a while. So, we'll have one person get really mad and say, but that's why we come here. So, I said, we do have books. All kinds of other things. But for the most part, folks have been really happy coming in. And we've seen a lot of new folks, a lot of folks that moved to the area during the open. So, I mean, we've been closed for almost a year and a half so for the few months we were partially open. And so, we've seen multiple new families coming in who's really been nice. One family, they were so enamored of the library. They said they moved here from Brooklyn and they said, branches near us were really dark and dirty. So, they really liked coming in. And we'll be doing virtual programming probably through August still because we always had to plan our programming out ahead of time. We already planned and recorded a bunch of virtual story times, et cetera. We should be back to full hours after Labor Day if not before that includes programming, meeting room, rentals, et cetera. So, study rooms are available now and those have been well used already. And our temporary computer lab is upstairs in what used to be called the Unquiet Area. We have a whole plan to move our computer lab. That's been a little bit laborious because we first have to get rid of that compact shelving and that's been a real pain. So, we've got several folks who want it and then they don't want it and then they don't want it because it costs a lot to move it. So, we're still trying to get rid of that to make our computer lab. The opening could have done better. So, we forgot a couple little things like we forgot first day we were open someone came running up to me and said the phone message sent right back and we did the phone message and said we were closed and we forgot one computer we forgot to order a computer for the new team best and the new team but other than that, maybe everything else was good. See more about staffing. Are you helpful? Stapping. We are now in a building custodian. One of our custodians retired mostly due to health concerns through all of this and it's been a pretty tough process we've offered the physician to a couple of people who didn't pass the physical tests their ability tests not just a regular physical so we've now offered it to another person I hope that everything works out fine and so we should have it by then. That's the key to extending what is that particular position. No, we were down by six or seven positions so we've now in the process now we've hired them they're starting soon so we did not You've got to fill even They haven't started yet but we have offered those positions to them so for example we didn't know we were going to have a team section until pretty late in the project and so then we figured out that we didn't have enough children's staff to actually staff a desk in that area so we did some folks for that two people moved away one retired so we've now staffed to staff our computer lab space et cetera so we're almost we're almost pulled to the other party Is this a security person back? Yeah, Jake's great Jake started actually here right before COVID Yeah but he's done he's amazing he's done he like withdraws all of our books that we you know we out of the collection he's been doing like everything besides keeping an eye on perimeter of this building everything going on across the whole park et cetera so he's fabulous That's a perfect spot It is we had a fight for that but he is a full time person he's ex-military he's incredibly organized and he also has a huge oops sorry it's Captain Teller East he's done a lot of this he's done a lot of the more compassionate safety trainings that we have offered and we just really like the way that he interacts with the patrons especially those folks who are experiencing illnesses et cetera so he's a great resource so he will be doing a lot more security training for our staff now that we're open just to make sure that everybody is up on how to interact positively with all of our more local communities we are seeing so many folks in that we haven't had before we've only had a couple higher issues and I think now that people understand how things work I think it's so we always go out with a positive attitude and assume that everyone is our leverage and the most pretty otherwise so many teams you're just going to make sure you're in the right because we actually have a lot of teams and we never had we had a lot of teams checkouts we have an excellent team collection but we just we had one little tiny seating area by the window crammed behind the shelves for that to sit and because of various things that happened during construction and the team area having too much stuff in a small area the floor was not being loaded right now and just giving opportunities that we are we heard the engineer discussing oh we need some place to put a part of this and we're like oh let's take those cubicles out let's take those nasty little carols out of that where the team have and so they did and so it is all redone it's redone they did the construction project covered the actual walls we opened the budget for the rest of it but we scrounged some dollars here and there so we are shelving in that area just the team nonfiction the graphic novels and the manga just in there the rest of the collection is going to be still shifting from where it was but we'll have video gaming and computer use and other team our team both discussions in we actually had only five teams I think applied to be on our team advisory board that's amazing this time so we had a lot of teams that really want to use the library and a few of them I just can't even tell you they walked in and were like this space is my boss so we just did now have a good place for teams to just be and I think it's super important to give teams a place to be that's positive to go I remember having problems when I was a children's librarian teams at one library very large and he said Nancy the really bad kids don't hang out in the library and that that has stuck with me since then and he's right and we have very good teams that deserve a space so that's been one of the best things about our updates is providing space we had to get steps to those because some of the our shelving is a little taller than our other shelving where we have some tiny some tiny homes that is a really good space congratulations thank you very much for your business we're just happy the last couple of months you answered that sure Paul Estone Williams speaking at the console chambers what are you doing in terms of what are you doing I don't know I can ask the folks that are in the program what they've done do you record them do you know who you are you mean if I have pleasure well I want that program well that's fine that's fine I'll see it I'll service this library as soon as we do and I see you've got a thing called Textile Library oh we have that we've had that all during COVID pretty much I would ghost in COVID and this is a product that I had used before years ago in Illinois and basically that was when texting was just starting to be a thing but as you know there are a lot of folks that really don't want to talk to anybody on the phone they really want to text them and so we get through a company called Moseo who bought the original little company called Textile Library and basically that's what it is and people text us I finally had to turn the noise off because people text us morning noon and night my phone would give you notifications every time so so all of the all of our librarians as some of our support staff are signed up to answer questions and you can answer them from your computer you can answer them from your phone it's kind of a whichever library you do it first or if that's your field of expertise but basically they can text us any questions they can say anything from I just read this book what should I read next to take can you check my account I don't know I don't know it's overdue to whatever so it's an app it's an app or it's we're tracking numbers at home so you know how many yep not on top of my head I know but that would be a useful thing we have a lot I can I got that feeling that's why I am so that's a that's a tool for like leveraging these guys it's a lot of fun because a lot of you know you get a lot of kids and a lot of teens that you text us we get adults too and it's just once people find it they tend to use it a lot so and we also we drew attention to it by making that we have a little bingo word that's first on our way and that's one of the one of the tasks people can complete for their bingo is to make a book professor using texts a lot so that that brought up a lot more efficient adults doing this with that service but it's a lot of fun I'll be interested to see if the numbers stay the same now that they're open because I remember telling people people moms specifically were like I don't know what books to choose online I would go and look at the books and pick them out by kids and I was like well you can text them people text them it's interesting because I'm looking to see what I get today but people text us in weird times sure because I'm looking there's a lot there's a lot of them that's what I usually hear let's see 1242 1245 1241 1242 1245 1250 Suzanne those were P.M. and I had let's see 1110 there were a flurry of them in the morning 830 838 842 656 so I mean people text us when they think of it when they think of it so it's just nice because you know especially right now we're not open till 10 so people will text us at 6.30 a.m. or at 10.30 p.m. and we don't necessarily answer things right then that's a nice video since it shows up on people's phones a lot of times if it's a really quick response we just answer it and since there are at any one time at least who doesn't notice they have it up you're looking at it usually it's fine you're doing a podcast now book to chatter or podcast yes I like Maria and those girls are doing a book to chatter podcast so basically they pick a book every month usually they think something that's a little bit you're not your average best seller and they're saying narrative nonfiction and and they put out the information that this is what they're going to talk about when we have extra copy of the center it's kind of a book room but it said it's a book to talk about podcast so we have several library interviews talk about the book talk about the author I think I had at least once where the author told me that it's audio only so far it's easy to have a camera if you want to go over it I think they are because we have that I'm pretty sure they're using I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure because yeah I'm sure that a few of them told me they were going to make sort of deal basically I'm just looking for ways to promote the library too so that's what this kind of stuff does that was just something else I did welcome you to this group I told you you'd regret it I don't regret it so far I think and last one is you have Wi-Fi hotspots now we have 89 of them 89 of them we check actually we check out 80 of them 9 of them we usually send library people out with but we check out almost all 80 are checked out almost all the time and we have calls and then you don't have a house excuse me I know we're 818 what's 818 oh wait oh it's happening I told them who is that it's great to have someone else that oh yeah well that was I mean you were there you weren't there when I got interviewed were you no I was yeah they said one thing what's the one thing that the library needs and I said money what that's it we have to figure out how to fund it you're 30% below the average library for the same number of people or rather when we have finalists to fund it so that's going to be a focus so and wherever it comes from doesn't matter to me as long as we can just get as much funding to the library as we can interesting I think I look on preparation budget which is the next time I did talk to Nancy a little bit about how you and I particularly talk to city staff members really often about different stuff so you know we're pretty looking we can we can get Harold to actually listen you know for instance you know cut cut see oh it's going to be next year you've gone from one thing to the next I said oh yeah the answer what was your last question do we it was more an observation that you need more hospitals so what we do what we do the hotspots themselves we we have the ability through the organization and it's a charitable organization called TechSoup to get 11 11 free hotspots every year the actual devices but it's the it's the service contract of those devices that costs more than devices don't we have an internet provider here in town heard of it next slide don't do but they offer reduced you know much reduced internet service to folks but it's not free and I think it's still a misconception that a lot of people at the city have told me they're never looking down next slide we have folks who can't have next slide so like I said these have anyone time we usually have about 20 walls and we have all 80 checkouts so there is a need for them and some of the folks aren't folks on road trips they're saying because if you're in between spots with reception we have people who say they love to take them to their motor homes when they go on road trips because they can get reception et cetera one day my husband called me and said hey our our internet's out going to take one home where I thought it's not out before so you cover the internet as well the cost of the internet so that's the devices themselves with the discounts we can gather about 65 dollars and then the main the service contract is about 128 each per year per year so that's you know 96 but you know in a cheap library about 96 bucks so we have to kind of look at how many we have but we'll see how many we have after we want to see how many are checked out at a time once we're open do you know once we have folks who are able to access the library we showed a lot of folks how to use them so that they could go use them at home they're very simple if you've had a few that haven't come back that's you know kind of the cost of doing this so I was going to the only only council agenda item that I think is of interest in this group next Tuesday night is approval of the school district based on the grant that the school district got to work with the next life and I'll be curious I will be there Tuesday night to the degree that there is the need for hotspots based on that grant about a million and a half bucks from the two in two different amounts of money with the intent of ensuring access to everybody in town in some cases at no fee or at no charge that would be wonderful and you know maybe we won't need as many as that at some point have you been dialed into any of that a little bit we don't want to overinvest either because we think that there are some opportunities that are coming and we just figure it's all it's all for the it's all for good if we can well there's a lot of infrastructure money that's going to be thrown at this in the next two years right that's bad with it so you should you're a fair share yeah and they were they were going to grant by the group seven seven eight can students check them out like young people or is it adults only they can you know they know to check it out we also have some Chromebooks that are available to check out that seems to be the cup when St. Brain goes online do they provide Chromebooks is that online yeah yeah and so that's you know that's the thing as we check out We're trying to juggle the amounts so that we pair up a Chromebook with a hotspot because I know that it's from experience, we've got a ton of Chromebooks given to us in California but of course people take them home and they expect that they are internet connected or not. So we don't want people to have that experience or they get home and this video doesn't work. So we will be probably reducing the number that we have to produce some of the 80 because we're going to be pairing up with the Chromebooks but that's probably okay. Okay, before you move on, Catherine, this is Scott Comperse. Yeah, we've got a new board. He attended to teach our new board members. Oh, great. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Okay. So you went jumping, did you like it then? I don't know if I have many updates from last time. Our budget was submitted before the last meeting. We did a meeting with Harold and some other city staff. We had a few questions. Nothing. We don't want to schedule for a council review. You know, I don't. I thought it was sometime in August but I'll look and see. But it has to come up pretty soon. Yeah, it does. It was my understanding none of your rushless legends. No, but nothing was that we talked about later. We were not finished with the first issue. No. And actually, and Harold was in a couple of years ago and he kind of gave out a few of those things. We talked about. I'm just telling you we're not finished with the first issue. Yeah. Who's Harold? Harold is. Harold Omega is a city editor. Oh, very good. He came in and we kind of walked through some of the, we walked through those items. So, we were not finished. The other things that we asked for were we asked for several new positions. We asked for pre-processing. My wish list items included potentially this order. Although he and I talked about that and that those kind of projects are kind of nice to be able to deal with a sum of money like we have in the closure fund. You can see there are multiple different aspects of, you know, here's the machine, here's the installation, here's the instruction that goes with it. And they can get really complex if you've got all these different parts that you have to go from. We discussed children's shelving. Our children's shelving is, it's all particle board covered with cheap vinegar that's peeling off. Because particle board, it's super heavy. Part of the board's, to my knowledge anyway, heavier than most of your wood, your, you know, just solid wood panels would be there. And the mover said, don't ever move it again. It was literally falling apart. So, that would be a larger wish list item. We had a couple more things we talked about. We talked about the tables that you're going to be in, just one person can. So, looking at that, being at our computer lab, our construction of our computer lab, a lot of glass panels upstairs. So, we have a lot of potential things going on as soon as we get rid of that complex. But it remembers our, in as far as how we're doing with this year's budget, we're doing okay. We, you know, it's still half a year. Thoughtful over the last year. I mean, nothing is, it's still weird enough. It's still happy with COVID. And so, there are some areas where we really overspent compared to what we would normally spend. And some that we really overspent. It's just, I mean, we buy a lot of sanitizing products. So, you know, so there are things like that. There are a few new furniture things that we kind of do in conjunction with construction, when things fell apart in early tenure or other things like that. Just some, we purchase some safety items. We kind of had time to review safety in the building. So, I always have. So, are you asking for more? What are your last year? The last year? Actually, we're asking for one. You know, we've crossed 100,000 feet, right? Yes, I do. We're officially a city. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, because the initial amount was, what, 9978, right? Yeah. But then, yeah. And 100,000, when you become a city, you're one of about 400 and so on cities in the United States. So, yeah, it's actually. It's not as many as you think. Wow. Yeah, it's not many. And it's a serious designation change for all of us. Yeah. You can see this point not really to the budget. It may, did any update some prospect here? Yes. Okay. So, I mean, it's going to be bad. All right, for sure. And we talked about meeting today with the directors. So, we're definitely bringing it back. Right. Even though it's possible, it's really insorbid. It's a service. Yes. Prospector, we'll be coming back. What else we talked about today? I'm just curious about the COVID supplies. That's not covered under some separate? Some of it was. Okay. But some of them are not necessarily like cleaning supplies. Some of them are peripheral supplies because of COVID. No. We had to purchase to allow people to work from home. That weren't covered. Okay. And, you know, individually. Some things, headsets and things that we used to share, we don't share anymore. Right. And so, you know, there were some things we had to make individual that used to be shared things throughout. So. Okay. It's not, it's a lot of common timing thing that just adds up. But it's not going to continue to impact your budget? No. There were just some strange expenses from being a COVID here. Oh yeah. And things like, things like the textile library and the center would be added on to be more accessible. So, they aren't without cost. Any more questions on the way? And, uh, friends, there was no, no meeting. They will meet next Wednesday. Okay. Ken, you had mentioned you. Yeah. The one item, you know, as I looked at, had an agenda, uh, council agenda. Most of those items of perfunctory, you know, to kinds of these leasing, you know, the one that this group would have an interest in is the IGA, uh, with the school district that, that really expands, uh, access and reduce costs in some cases, no costs. The intent is to ensure that every, every family in the long month who, who wants access, access, access through next slide to the end. So. How does that work with the school we're not calling this name? Um. First, how does school work? School district. It's school district- Oh, it's district. Yeah. In fact, one of the two- So, including the parts that are involved. Yeah. The two resolutions, one of which is the lease of a, of, of, um, space, right, to the service, those parts of the school district that are not in long months. The only other, uh, specific council related item that I just want to approve of, uh, since we're in a, in a public meeting and it's on the record. Uh, there were some comments made in a council meeting on June 29th about, uh, projects. They were referred to as projects. The comments referred to projects. One of which was the, a library district as a project. As a pet project. You know, some council members. Um, so whoever watches this, um, I would just want to be on the record that we, we have not yet received, uh, a fees the second phase of the feasibility study. There is no project. There might be a project. There's, I assume, I assume that this group will, will be the recipient, at least the first audience of a feasibility study. This group will determine, um, what your priorities are and what recommendations you would make to council. Uh, I'll be on the record, uh, tonight and in, in the future, that I'll support whatever recommendation you make because I know it'll be thoughtful. It'll be focused. It'll be the appropriate use of that study, whether it's a library district or, you know, some other approach who knows what that might be. Um, uh, what, what, what I don't want to, what I wouldn't want to do is whatever comments I may hear, right? And I think the only conversations I've had about the feasibility study or with city staff were in this room, uh, with members of this board. Um, I just want to reiterate, no projects, pat or not, uh, are on the board right now or on the table for the library, other than getting it back up and running and working through the routines that I have to work through to make certain it gets resourced the way it should. And as we were referencing the budgeting process. Um, so, there's nothing else council related that I feel like I need to share. If there's anything you want to share with me. How about the Arts and Cultural District? Do you have anything new on that? Well, that was one of three projects that were referred to. Oh, well, no more. Uh, the other was the, was the Pool and Ice Facility that was framed again as the Ice Facility. Um, it wasn't biased. The question wasn't biased. Uh, it wasn't so much a question. Or your question? No, no. No, the comments weren't, when I'm referring to work questions, if we're just statements. Um, uh, These public and limited speakers. Yeah, public and limited speakers. Actually, yes, we did. Um, and, uh, there was a reference to the voracious appetites of elected official council members. Um, they'd have such voracious appetites for tax revenues to spend on pet projects like the Ice Palace, like the Cultural Center, and like the Library District. Um, uh, so for the record, there is no Cultural Center project. We have a feasibility study. I have been in a couple of meetings with, uh, the leadership of Pi and the city manager to talk about what are the next logical steps. And I think what the next step is going to be to retain the services of another consulting firm that actually, what they do is help municipalities or jurisdictions take the results of things like this feasibility study and turn it into an action plan and identify what decisions have been made. They've worked with municipalities across the country on issues like governance or oversight of a facility. It's going to manage the facility business planning, um, and who are the kinds of experts that you want to bring in potentially to be part of a plan. But that's all out there, right? The first step is going to be to hire the consultant to take a look at what, kind of, where the feasibility study stopped and what now needs to be addressed like creating a group to provide oversight. You're planning to maintain a business plan for booking talent in all that goes with that. Fundraising, it goes along, parallel to all of the business. Few venues like what's been envisioned in the feasibility study can put together a business plan that generates vision revenues to cover a lot of costs. The performing arts group will always be challenged with fundraising. But that's not a project either, right? It will become something someday. But I don't know when that someday is and exactly what the nature of the project will be. I'll be on the record again. There was a reference to a $157 million project. That same number was mentioned when it was presented to the council meeting. Uh, at no time has anybody, I don't think, assumed that the city was going to take, to swallow that whole element as a metaphor. There would be bites at it that the city might take. The city should have seen that game, I think. But it's going to require a capital stack that involves fundraising in the quite public partnership and different financing structures in addition to whatever the city or the residents may be asked to do in terms of the dedicated sales department. But that's what you're on the road in how much of that the city takes on the right to see. But I don't, for people to assume that somehow, because of these abilities that you laid out a vision and kind of parameters for $157 million performing arts that somehow are going to be the city's foundation that will just really happen. Well, from my perspective, I think a lot of the things that the arts and cultural center endeavor is going to look at are things that we as a board understand and determine whether we want to follow the footsteps of trade but I think we need to understand them just to make intelligent decisions. So, we'll keep I'll keep pumping you for You should. And there will be a relationship, Mark, between whatever comes from this feasibility study has to be considered in relationship to the feasibility study on performing arts and cultural and arts and in the the reality that the city is going to need more office space it would no place to go really go to office space. The interest in recreation facilities is gaining momentum I mean, there was a question after that realize facility failed on the ballot so now what's next and when I answered that question but I can tell you there's growing energy in a recreation community and at some point in time that's going to become part of this conversation as well so without trying to put I don't want to get too far in front of the board with these but there will be a conversation at some point in time about what's the highest and best use of this facility this facility is part of the curious and then what are the other possibilities it becomes the potential site of the additional office of the city complex and then thinking about what would you want to put a library that is a 21st century facility that serves the community so I don't know where that conversation ends up but I know I know where it's going to come and it's going to be a potential a couple of big questions in this community picking up on what Scott just made crossing the 100,000 citizen mark was that in line with the, are you ahead of in line with or behind the projection to the build up with the next one well you've sort of been reading and hearing there's a narrative that's growing about long months growth and you want to take the time I can tell you what's happened over the last 20 years it's just yes no why we are we are in terms of housing it's in a short period I'll talk find him informative it's like going to the well 116,000 116,000 was the number in Invision Longline in 2035 in terms of being on 116,000 now if you are in the conference chamber when there were conversations about how to secure water and the firming project with Chimney Hollows which is now that lawsuit's been settled we're now moving forward we just sold $5 million worth of irons $42 million and that's going to go to fund the Chimney Hollows project that secured enough water for the build out of 125 so there's two numbers that have been discussed publicly but Invision Longline's 116,000 then you say well what about what if there's more density and you had more housing units per acre could that go north of 116,000 the answer is yes the highest number I've seen is 130 that's the number I recall but I don't know we're ahead of that number I don't know I've not seen I've not seen it's probably there and I'm just not connected to it our estimate year by year it's very difficult no matter what those would be just the approval the permitting process that the proposal has to go through there is virtually no way to predict from data application to data permit and then supply chains and labor assurances how long would it take to actually deliver product to the marketplace there's just no way to predict that I continue projects that in my mind no brainers that are three years and have not yet in that process one might have expected two years ago to show up as housing stock that hasn't been permitted because it's not like a 93 this said that we mature and we hold up the 68,000 so in 93 the projection was we might give it 68,000 it's also when they sign with the feasibility because if the feasibility study comes back and says you can only do 110 with what you got and what you may get then that may cause re-pins that's a relevant question those are all relevant questions we're going to get a feasibility study and to look at Envision Longmont and what's changed since 2016 I guess when it was approved in terms of the projector and film battery that number between 1.60 and 1.30 the number 1.25 was in terms of firming chimney house firming project that difference a lot of that difference you would account for in terms of density Envision Longmont and with our land code we encourage more density especially we invited more density along business corridors and so when right now you read about we're all those apartment companies well it was in the master thing and the truth is today 53% of the renters in this town are what is called housing burden meaning 53% of the people renting in Longmont today pay more than a third of their income for rent and for many of them it's way more the reason rents are what they are households that have increased housing in a rate that creates that supply for that to be that is a point I'm a landlord and I just put a house up the rent that I bought 8 or 9 years ago for one quarter of the valley of the houses and the rent the market rent is 3 times what it was then 10 years 8 years and what's disturbing to me is I'm getting I have it's been on the market for one week today 50 people upon and I'd say over half can't afford it but they're more than willing to try to commit now it's 50, 60% of their income to rent that would be severely burdened I'm going to need to stop part 2 what choice do they have I know because it's a house it's perfect for a little family but it's like real families can't afford it it's really frustrating and they still need to eat and landlords can consider more affordable I think the population will just end up going further north and further east well it's gentrifying fast I had a couple from Minnesota come in and they had $150,000 because one of them was a trust fund so they drove up an A9LE and then drug dealers and that's the kind of person that we are a boulder 25 years ago well what boulder did 25 well 35 years ago was created an arbitrary limit on housing we haven't done that boulder but if you look at our growth over the last one years there haven't been many years we've been putting 1 and 2% in terms of our growth so it's not like people talk about out of control growth year over year it's pretty controlled and I again for the record if anybody cares as you read about managed or smart growth in this town developers they submit their applications the process grinds on they are subject to incredibly thorough scrutiny in terms of what their proposals are sometimes to the point where you have to wonder at what point does it stop because it goes on and on but they they pay for every penny of infrastructure you don't they do eventually it gets deeded or dedicated to the city the city maintains it over time but they build their own sewer lines and water lines and sidewalks and street lights and all that stuff they pay that and in the process they pay remarkable remarkably steep generous for their expensive fees for things like new parking water and sewer so people ask what benefit is it to you if somebody builds a home somewhere in Longmont why would you want to see somebody building a home since it's simply impacts your quality of life that's the assumption well I could give you the for the 23 million dollars we've collected in new park fees over the last 10 years what we've done with those funds in building parks that you and your kids get to enjoy that somebody else paid for with their housing same thing is true for water and sewer it mitigates your rates so people argue growth doesn't pay for itself I want to say the facts don't bear that out growth does pay for itself over a 50 year period of time is why we need more density along Main Street and our business corridors because that's where you are to generate revenue to service the maintenance of infrastructure over a 50 year period of time we're growing right now where people have strong opinions and no information and it has some serious implications for the city if we we hear from the residents don't turn this into bolder and the argument that I hear being made by some right now is the quickest way to turn this into bolder is to set arbitrary unreasonable paths on housing he does real well real well it's just a whole bunch of people who have never quite achieved quality of life are never going to achieve quality of life in one way isn't there a mandate with only development for a certain percentage that needs to be affordable housing at this point? I'm sure it's not high enough think about the continuum of affordable housing attainable housing to executive housing or luxury housing affordable housing is housing for which people qualify for subsidies nobody in this room would qualify for subsidies you earn less than 60% or less of the area of median income in order to qualify as a household to qualify for housing subsidies the 12% is tied specifically to affordable or subsidized housing there's a whole other continuum of housing that the term of art is attainable what does that mean well it's all tied to area median incomes and it gets to be kind of a goofy form but think of it as this way housing that's priced between $350,000 and $500,000 or $400,000 I know it blows your mind but it's in that price range for working families that would qualify if the household earns enough to satisfy all the cost of housing without spending more than 33% of their income on housing now that assumes they don't have to pay for childcare they can come up with an opinion yeah but that's that housing style or that product is not part of the 12% we, the council, have never set a target so what is the target for affordable housing the answer is we haven't set one yet I would have an opinion but I'm probably I'm not sure well with 53% of people can't afford their housing it seems like whatever difference between 12 and 53 is 39 would be that number well we're going to ask you to cover that after the new day and push on if everybody's okay with these forwarding studies okay we had a meeting today we were delayed a couple weeks so we had to wait until the contract wound its way through city purchasing which took two months so as soon as the contract was completed we were able to start working right now we are doing mostly data compilation so Amy Seeger who's our consultant is just a dynamo and she gave us our marching orders for all kinds of info that she needs provided for her and some more things that we haven't provided yet and you know some of those are information on the SCENC project information on the low-high usability study so she's definitely up on these other things that are potentially happening concurrently with whatever we end up doing with the library you know to piggyback onto what Tim said you know one of the main goals in this second phase is to study this financial model but it's looking at the data that was compiled by the first consultant it's filling in holes that we saw that we didn't think that were fleshed out enough in the first consultant's project and then putting it across to options it's looking at the first thing that the consultant will do is really establish level of service standards you know looking at your libraries looking at this library over time looking at area libraries as well and looking at those level of service standards for square footage for staffing FTE for number of programs and number of attendees for volumes for volumes and online resources for technology etc and you know what are those standards and then looking at how do we measure up to those are we below usually you can divide those into a kind of a minimal and then an acceptable and then an aspirational goal here's where we have to be if we want to be minimally adequate here's where you want to be if you want to be adequate and here's where you want to be if you want to be more than adequate and so that's a lot of number crunching so if you're looking at that you'll know what would be a curve so that sounds different though than where this was originally said that sounds more like how much money do we need that is part of this that is part of the second part of the study is but first you're looking because there were supposed to be several scenarios there are scenarios I didn't get that yet but you have to have these level of service standards to start with and then after that you look at what are basically every type of model that's legal to do with a library in Colorado I like the words legal do we actually consider any of these? there are things, different states have different rules about what libraries can constitute so anyway just looking at those type of models and then looking at what do those cost what do things cost and status quo is always one of the options that you look at and that would include if the funding were to remain at the same level would there be a degradation of service over time and in these level of services what would suffer if you left everything being the same but things become more expensive would you have fewer staff members fewer volumes fewer operating programs is that a rhetorical question no but you have to put numbers to it so the district is one option hybrid is not really necessarily one option there could be multiple types of hybrid and those may or may not exist in Colorado right now the closest nearby hybrid or semi-hybrid would probably be Puderer and Fort Collins because I don't know and I don't know much about contracting back to the city now initially it was a hybrid in that they became a district but they contracted back with the city for HR, payroll facilities maintenance etc so there may be other types of hybrids which is definitely just not looking at one type of hybrid and when we do some larger meetings with folks from this group and some others and other community stakeholders some other folks make up some ideas for hybrids that we haven't thought of yet also so definitely looking at those multiple options and then looking at once you figure it all out was an action plan how would you make this happen so my other project that I did with her in Fallon County they included different things they looked at should the city system work with the county system did it make sense financially did it make sense actually what they figured out is it probably made sense financially but the city there is really losing liberal and the county is super conservative they didn't feel like philosophical that you couldn't actually become one system so they decided to they actually did put up tax measures I know that I know that the library has been completely gutted so they were planning to put up a dedicated tax measure by the city for the library so different things can happen in different places it just depends on what are those standards and what makes sense it is that $100,000 mark population mark is one of those things you see often when you read things about how many libraries size libraries have to be or what libraries have branches is somewhat unusual unless you have a very large library to reach that 100,000 mark and only have a single percent of the working library unless you are in a super dense area and not at all widespread but there are other things to look at obviously that we looked at somewhat in the first phase of this you don't spend as much time as some people think necessarily looking at who doesn't use the library that's a tendency a lot of studies to concentrate almost solely on who doesn't use the library and that's kind of counterproductive we don't care about people who don't use the library because they don't use the library we care about people who don't use the library who want to use it and can't use it because of some kind of barrier it could be language barrier, it could be parking it could be transportation any number of things so we have a few polls and that info from the first study that we're looking at so we'd like a little more in-depth demographic data that was presented by the initial consultants so we're in it so now you got a start date, do you have an end date? I do and I did write with me tonight we revised the schedule because it did take a while to get things up and going with the contract and so on but I do have a nice little relevant schedule that's been, oh no it's a very schedule and we will be having probably weekly check-ins so last time you mentioned that there might be stakeholder meetings there will be we talked about that today so literally this is the first time since the contract was approved and went through the whole process that we've been able to that just happened last week, this week so we have a whole list of potential dates which we'll probably be sending around the whole stakeholder meetings just historically remember how this all started, right? I do I remember original dates and we passed those then we would have something to look at I mean like way past I mean you if you look at COVID we missed those dates before COVID by a significant amount we weren't working with this consultant but the other ones we're supposed to have stuff the other ones took a really long time they did not they did not meet deadlines so that was the reason other consultants didn't meet deadlines it wasn't the city it wasn't the city and then the COVID shut us down pretty much hard to meet with people but now we're back is the demographic data that you need does that mean there has to be a new round of services? the demographic data that they incorporated into the first part of the survey was just kind of the generic boilerplate stuff that you can find online etc and there was no there were no extrapolations from that demographic data to say that look since X amount of your folks are Spanish speaking maybe you need this level of service for Spanish speaking people it was just here's how many people speak Spanish in your town and nothing else about what you might want to do about that that was a lot of critical thinking about the material we pretty much ended up with the first after the first feasibility study with a giant a pile of this big of data but not conclusions drawn from data so having worked with this consultant that we're working with now pretty easily and knowing that that is an outcome that I will expect to be more pretty confident watching this new data with the absence of meeting yeah well I mean that just I kept looking through okay well there's the data we all did what does that mean it never came so that's the kind of data that we're looking for because that way when I asked for a position that is a outreach coordinator it's supported by yeah it's a yes you should have this because X amount of your folks that use your library or that don't use it that need outreach are Spanish speaking therefore you should have this person do you outreach to that center so that's what we're looking for okay so it sounds like we'll be able to get a timeline and it sounds like we'll be able to get an estimate at least of dates for stakeholder meetings to move the process forward which is great the first one will be an obvious I just don't know that are you featuring in person I think we're going to have a combo of we should be able to do combinations to or so both students need or want to participate virtually is she going to be able to do as many on-site activities as she's she's willing to come here multiple times will we meet with her as a board that would be welcome she prefers not to just present the final version of her findings to city council at the end of the project she really likes to approach at some point about once we get to the point where she is she's doing the financial modeling portion she would want to do kind of an interim study session appearance and say this is where I see this going and get input at that point where if people have other questions or think this isn't going in the direction that we want it to go in would it be a vision or your study isn't providing the information that we need so that worked really well when I worked with her before and I think it makes a lot of sense to do a midway through check-in so that nobody is surprised when the data is presented at the end and so you get what we're paying for or what you like so can I because you have two little items that junk before the Boulder library district update and I think that kind of links to this doesn't that I'm not sure I'm going to defend this to you I mean that's a vision much of a discussion tonight about this but I'm just curious what is Boulder doing with the library district well there is, I would be very surprised if Boulder doesn't end up with the library district at this point are we in line with them no and this happened you know the Boulder City Council was very against the district concept initially and Scott and I both watched the same video of a meeting where they were saying our gentleman you can't use this I mean those were the words and now they seem to be if you've watched the data meetings and I've watched quite a few of those libraries and the sentiments have really changed so I would be City Council appears to be very favorite of the district bigger and I'd say they're heading for the ballot I know they have to for the ballot in August so I do, I think it was a possibility how are they so appreciated I really don't know what happened in between I never know, I mean you never know what people's motivations are maybe they have something else and they want to use the library's budget for that service for another project, I don't know they're looking at a sizable amount and the last time I looked at their coroutines corresponded they were looking for 20 million dollars annually are they looking to expand outside of Boulder I don't know they're looking at they're looking at they've been promising they've been promising a version of Thunder Elbow they're looking at expansion which they're already actually viewing part of on Novo and expansion I think of maybe other branches that they that are existing that's North Boulder and then looking at definitely a branch in Thunder Elbow I just saw something extending their reach towards celestial seasons stuff like that one so they're moving that went from dead to alive kind of during COVID so we need to understand what are the boundaries on it we are going to try and speak with we talked about that today in our meeting with the consultant we're going to talk to Dave who's a director there and we're also going to see if we can talk to them what it is he's giving me at the moment but he's headed ahead of their group that's been working on this thing did you have a director's meeting on the 21st? Dave we had it just come back to that one fine but yes I think that the whole set of it turned around I can send you a couple I can send an article to the whole group I've sent a couple articles previously and then for the reasons of what it looks like so what's the assuming that they want to extend the geographic footprint of a library district would include 9 watt right now so there's 9 watts unincorporated what's the decision making process I don't know that's a way to figure out it's the same brain balance it's kind of a natural boundary strange I don't think it's strange at all but this is against you know they contemplate a vote their board or their council authorized proceeding with creation of the library district that was by council vote not by public vote they can't encourage debt with that a vote do they just arbitrarily cast their net over 9 watt and say you are now by fiat you are now going to be in this library district if the district's approved the debt service or creation of debt is approved by the voters in whatever that geographic like I said we have to talk to them so we have not talked to the folks that are directly involved with this that's a legal question and I'd like to know is there a way to stop that first question just based on your tax base the library district that's the idea I want to tell you get a tax we would potentially benefit from that well it's part of that we kicked that around before we did and I thought they are subject to a larger of those I think they are subject to that whether they disagree or not there? particularly being unincorporate they don't have any they don't really have any representation so yeah they don't technically insist or an evidence or either because they're so they're having too many evidence of that yet but it doesn't mean that one vote will develop by that experience where you can a vote no group can come out of that one do you have a sense of people in Iowa what library do you see there you go and the last time we lived at this which was probably two years ago or so it was about equal exactly equal that was the one that was the closest to all of you but I think the corollary analysis to all that is are you better off with them or without them some wise person said with the territory comes the service that was me they're not going to do this they're not going to say yes we want to they're not paying the library service right now so they're not going to say okay I want to pay for the library service they're not going to expect something out of it they're going to want a branch so you're going to know what it is you're going to know what it is are you better off or are you worse off I mean you improve your area better or are you better off we need a spy and a puller puller operations I'll see what happens there are some questions down the road especially that Danny might have to judge you about this I know she's talked to some folks in the state library before but at Kim's Center at Kim's Theater that we talked to before there's an attorney that really is kind of a special district that's for libraries and all around that I think we would be able to ask some questions they weren't willing to help us he was possible he was willing to ask a pro bono we didn't actually put him on a trainer no the deal was if we win he's our lawyer I thought you had to pay him one no it was pro bono it was basically promising that he would then get all of our business forever after I mean he's the knowledge you know authority in the state on library districts so I mean I think that there are some questions like we have legal questions and tribal codes so I'll go with my legal career there you go should we look at finding a group that puts this together again we already started we have a beginning of it so we will have an expanded group and I will be asking asking you of our suggestions of folks to be a group I'm talking about yeah citizens presidents you want a council perspective on it? yeah if you want a really strong negative council reaction start now that's fine you're calling? no I get it that's why my best advice is wait to get a feasibility study okay okay any other questions on the feasibility study three last question I'll be starting motion ramps and funds we don't have a huge discussion on that right now okay do you have anything for us on that for information that's what I get last meeting we were going to get information we were trying to get information from the city to the head of finance we were going to try and get original documents yeah I can't find the original document I swear we saw it once and we're going to use this and put it for a false that was my recollection I know we saw the original I'll go check and see if I have a newer class so just to get this lost out of the way I think we can wrap it up we do have questions these are funds that started out they start out with donations we do spend some of the Emsen funds every year in the distribution on the top mostly that's not as large mostly we spend it on a few reference books motion funds like sat around for years yeah I remember that so that one has almost $600,000 that can be spent so that's one that we had looked at especially when we really looked at our product to do electronics work using some of that because that project is anywhere from $200 to $250,000 there's more in the motion fund that's just the expendable portion but one of them has restrictions this had originally it did motion fund originally back when it was a very small amount was mostly was originally supposed to be dedicated to items etc that helped with digital impairments but it's very old the books that donated aren't around anymore and also with the advent of computers with an archival fonts and backlit things so we did just don't have a need for a lot of money for visually impaired services so we checked about that with a couple different sources and you can at this point spend it on something else did that take a formal action at this point that was one of the questions I don't think so that wasn't the question that I had from Jim Bowen so where this the purpose of this is as Jim mentioned started out it's thousands of dollars now there are hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars so as a board we're trying to create a judiciary policy to manage there's just a lot of money and then also we're trying to repurpose them because their original purpose is no longer valid and then we're trying to understand who controls that money and when all that is repurposed currently we make a request for the city to see I guess it's their original approval and then cut a check for the mayor? we have to sign my check before you have to say please cut a check no I'll get that but the mayor it is on I think that's well that's why we're that's part of all this trying to move the ball forward on is to one put in some the each year responsibility to the board and try and put some control somewhere so that the library can defend everything okay so that's the purpose of this one okay I'll move on if we're done with this one this is Jim I asked him we rarely have used if we do it would likely be a transfer to the general fund for those materials danger danger it's not a common life with funding for many friends groups for us to include that we rarely have included something like that as the original proposed budget it was for and FGE would prefer just for materials that conveyed we would just include it additional appropriation so you move it into the city general fund what we have to do is appropriate the funds out of the out of the major fund and into the city's fund so that we can that's exactly it so one of our other issues with all this budget we wanted to do this but we didn't we didn't want a certain gamesmanship going on with the fund so that we're taking assets that could be used for the library somehow or have it we should supplement the supplement that's the right way to say it so I mean it's all if we get into the supplement versus the plan thing we have to apply this is that our friends is provided for all of our programs you know when we on those appropriations we just approve $212 million when we get that the funds or the source of the funds whether it's grant state or federal grant are all detailed in the enclosure it would be a surprise to me this would be transferred into the general fund as opposed to authorizing the expender drug this fund just like when you have dozens of other funds whether it's district fund I'm just telling you what I got from you it says if we do it would likely be as a transfer to the general fund so it could budget for those materials so it doesn't sound like a set in stone policy that's some of the preference that we have how to how to having watched the city over the last several years anything that goes into the general fund yeah it's fair game man so I think a concern though is also I'm we're not targeting yes we're going to be a district because this is what we're starting to look at but what happens to things that do funds like that should be behind I think that's a concern whether or not they would follow was it a gift to the city or a gift to the city what it's not too hard to do is start to generate a really good list of all those funds so nothing like when somebody runs up and says we forgot to change the voice message they're reading now I can do it I'm just starting to go that was now okay a little free libraries since there wasn't a friends meeting I don't think anything came out of that and I think last time we were saying it was really going to be deferred to August 29 it's going to be deferred to August but the friends initially they're working on their reworking their violas because right now their violas do not allow them to do that because right now they have a sole purpose in their violas of raising money we're used by the library so they're working on that the violas are with us so this one is the board funded a number of little free libraries and we populated folks from the friends and a lot of those libraries got the end of the life so we're asking multiple times they all got banned so we're asking the friends to stalk them and maintain them and talk to us about the places we put them and just engage your some video cameras right yeah though there should be a discussion surrounding that what was the stuff checking out it's like a body cam a little library I don't know I have a question I think it was that factor why isn't it like it's the new member of this board that is responsible for people who study music well I mean we're going to have a lot of singing that comes up under item B okay okay next next time but in all seriousness when we started the library is our council what's very big in tinker mill and very instrumental in building the library and so now that we do have another connection to tinker mill I mean the shirts of maintaining that I'm being very serious well I'm on the board of tinker mill and Jeff kind of works for me now I think it was like the maintenance of literally nail hammers and nails actually Jeff built one he built several we were talking about several inside locations though and when we started talking about this those buildings were not open that was a table of discussion because of covid we had to bring over stuff so is the question here can we put this on Scott taking care of this the question is to see what the friends found out from their attorney about their participation but I am willing to be that way we can probably start a project that we can do more well that it might be a good project to do we can start a project if they see a little you're willing to build build new materials and I have it in steel and it clearly was probably a bunch of kids that vandalized them and now that was free covid that's what I know of geese same thing he's looking to be like what the heck are you talking about so we had geese the same thing we had a special piece of art we had done these big metal hands like this huge we put it down by the church on main street and smashed we got jumped out jumped up and down we had a camera out of it we took it out of it we had a camera out of it we had a camera out of it so we took it out we took it out of there it's sitting over in the corner can't have nice ok I'm going to move along here any more questions on the Boulder library district update getting any more first year as soon as I get it back to the power of the being and I think we've already welcomed Scott discussion about board offices so the bylaws say that the second meeting after council makes a change to the board composition this process will be board bylaw we have currently the way we're structured is Cynthia is our secretary Katie was our secretary Kathy who resigned was our friends of the library Catherine was here was the newest on our usual so and we had talked previously at last meeting about trying to rotate your presentation to the friends just to really divert from any point of oh it's not this meeting specifically so we want to open up for discussion again think about that how do we want to do that I was waiting for that well there's a tradition on this board that the new member is the secretary yeah I did I'm lucky to have it for you I'm doing my thing so Cynthia graciously volunteered to be the secretary in lieu of sticking Catherine with the word since she was continued to be the young person so what's your point here you can be secretary or you can be president oh I see I get a choice I'll think for it if you're already doing secretary I don't dislike the suggestions I'm just stating I just didn't want to go to two meetings every month I was not feasible but I didn't dislike going to friends meetings I found it very informational and actually they have had a lot of turnover and they've got some new folks that are kind of moving their life into the friends organization so let's discuss that do you want to do it do you want to help I don't want to do it every month do you want to split it do you want to split it is anybody else interested I could do once a month I could do every week or four months I could do quarterly that's a good idea and if anyone has if anyone goes ever a night where somehow no one is available I could take the notes perfect we go to I'm starting law school I don't know Mark was exempted extra extra work sounds like three of us I'll make one but I don't feel like I should be included so let me recap where I think we're at so Cynthia is going to stay the secretary we're going to rotate the friends among three people I just wanted to be equitable I don't want to set up a system where I get special privileges unless you feel like it's a special privilege I just want to make sure everyone feels comfortable so you're going to dive in so we'll rotate it among four people because I don't want it back to not and then I'm sure we'll need I can be a sew I can be an alternate okay so where are the three regulars I was not able to settle their duties follow me and you can still be the vice chair right I can be at one meeting a month I just want to let you get to it is there every the fourth Wednesday because we'll talk about next board meeting I was planning to go this week so this coming week we'll start yes I am okay so I think we're set then on the board can I recap just to make sure of this so three of us regularly rotate meetings continue as vice chair and alternate for friends of library and other positions stay the same so when is that full meeting I'll have a nice Wednesday although actually summertime I mentioned good perfect I should be there early well I would start at the first meeting so you can get an intro that we're doing this right does that make sense okay yeah when is law school where it's August in what law school do you thank you I'm also teaching still you're kidding you're going to try to be low and you know what the GAA camp for a family of five isn't this tough you are good teach you to go on raise a family and run for all the Sunday you'll walk up there you go we'll get that it's a busy time okay so the next four meetings set up for August 23rd which is the fourth Monday do you want to propose on one of the tables because my problem is that that conflicts directly with the particular month Monday's in general or well it's the fourth Monday of every month and has been for eight years now so there's 14 of them that's the problem is it's a much larger board so I think I have a lot less of you know in the founder I hope that they're going to listen to me on this one because I brought it up and everyone was like yeah so so is there a way that we didn't want to bring it up is there a way we can move this I checked the bylaws and I think in the bylaws we just say we'll have meetings once more but we haven't but the city has on their website Mondays fourth Monday work for the public that's new for the public next month I have a personal issue with fourth Monday anyway so it's really probably you that are going to drive this because what's your schedule the truth is for the rest of this year you're going to get we will do reassignments in terms of liaisons after the November election so who knows what it's going to look like at that point in time but interesting for this cycle I'm also these on the golf committee they don't meet everyone but they meet on the same Monday but they meet at 6.30 so what I've done is met with them until 6.30 since it's been virtual it's been easy enough to say see ya now I'm going to the library frankly if I was going to establish priorities this was the priority so anyway I've had to manage it it hasn't been a big problem because the library or the golf board doesn't meet ground and it's not right this is the only I'm going to be at the Monday meetings so if we said the third Monday I think someone should have five Mondays you're comfortable with that how about the rest of the I mean that's in August that's the night before school starts that's tricky for me just for August just for August 6 school starts at the center of the game so do we want to make the switch to the third Mondays in fact we should so that's fine should we meet on the third yet also because then that would be then that's going to be close to the it doesn't solve the August problem let's take these one at a time so if the group is okay then we have a promotion to move it to the third Monday of the month I'm going to move it to the third Monday of the month that you're learning fast we have a second and second all in favor thank you very much that's even better for the friends though because now we won't have two meetings that's true it depends on how the days flow some months I have the Monday night and the Wednesday night and some months I have the Monday night and Tuesday night but also and Wednesday night so those is better okay so now let's circle back and do August we can keep it on the 23rd but I can't make it to the third but our vice chair can so you get two members out on the 23rd then because I can actually do that because we moved for doing a special election in August which moved it a week so that one month it's not a problem so in August you can do that Monday or we can do the 30th or we can that makes sense so we can move it to we reflect on the 30th that is not fair now not good now that is actually it's six p.m. meeting but it's over two months so we can we generally keep it to an hour possible so so we'll do August gets moved to the 30th so can I get a motion on that I mean second on favor you're okay on the 30th okay so September 4 we will declare something so so who sends out the verification so just a couple other cleanup items here can we get an updated contact list with this yeah I'm going to have Tracy do it tomorrow okay correct send that around you just can't I mean you're actually you're actually allowed to reply if it's just about something like a meeting date so that's an okay reply you can't have discussion if you can do a meeting date okay and then can we get the bylaws described and couple couple items to think about for the next meeting we talked about staff attendance whatever you want to start with okay they want to start it next month just part of our time on the agenda we would do that yeah I remember that the board's good they would do this on the staff because they didn't talk we can okay that'll change so please interact with our nice staff members so I don't have to do an interview and I know you wanted a tour tonight Cynthia and I wouldn't be able to so whatever you want do you want to do it on an ad hoc basis or do you want to try and set something up because it doesn't matter how many people tour whatever they want we'll do it on an ad hoc basis I can't it is your job yeah it is is there an electronic copy of the bylaws that could be sent to all of us yeah you might still send that thank you any comments or concerns on the board happy to be here thank you so much thank you I just have something second my craft I just don't feel a lot of competition with the arts you're not I just feel like there was a weird vibe around that just for future but the idea that we're all competing in the same pot of money and somehow we're going to be pitted against people who believe in the arts I don't think we know just the opposite I was an attendant the meeting that Tim talked about I was there Kim and I are friends we're a director we're all working towards the same goals we're looking at this as we're kind of the sports leisure culture area right now community services is kind of a big amalgamation of different stuff and so I think there's an actual synergy between obviously education, arts, culture and you would learn recreation so I think we're actually I feel like we're much closer to moving in the same direction and the practical side is I think it's easier for the city to sell only bundles all that together and they get this windfall butter cash and also this is where libraries kind of ride the coattails of some of these other revenue producing entities and end up with better funding but what libraries are the feel-good entities that attract some folks that wouldn't naturally go for some of those other machines and that's well and it's it is a public good we were thrown into the ice palace the consultants analysis of that without we didn't know we were going at the time but you know he analyzed things and said here's so much more likely this measure is to pass if the library is thrown in well that happens you look at the public scale of approval or whatever it happens and we're always working on but there really wasn't a question no I'm just saying but libraries are often kind of thrown in there as a sweetener to the pot we don't sell our name for recognition we're like athletes that's how you're looking at in a complex which offers performing arts center and various other facilities you know it is really nice personally I think that libraries should be built first it's such a complex because you say because what that says in the community is here's the equalizer we care about everybody we're putting an entity in first that we're not charging for but on the practical side if you build a new library you're going to get at least 2,000 if not more people a day that come in and get used to going to that location and then they'll naturally check out everything else so I think there's a real synergy with this whole with this whole group I don't feel taken in it includes everybody I'm skeptical about that and I think the it's strange that all of us make more sense than a giant board then you're having a conversation then you're kind of back with the city structure so what's triggering that one just to concern when it all gets bundled somebody says well let's create a separate cultural district or something like that to manage it all and schedule it well as a practical legal matter I don't think that you could have a cultural arts district in a board but that wouldn't replace a library district board that's another question obviously what would happen if this is part of the larger if we were to become a district how would that fit with everything else run by a municipality well it's going to be it's going to be complex for sure but Catherine just so you know the performing arts folks have been cautioned not to want to compete with the library the point it's everyone's advantage yeah the point that she was making is that the last time we in case you read about abandoning our quality of life in the community that's not true either the last time we did a survey in 2018 we collected a lot of data on quality of life in the community and it just so happens that the library comes out with the most highly regarded institution in Longland and has in every one of those surveys so the suggestion to the performing arts folks is you might not want to compete with the most highly regarded institution you might want to figure out how to make content so they get that and just to finish the sentence the reason we did we do that every other year we didn't do it in 2020 because we thought maybe collecting those kind of data in the worst pandemic in a hundred years would take time to make long-term policy programs perhaps not yet but but we didn't do it if people have short memories why didn't you do that survey so that pandemic was trying to survive okay well thank you any other comments from the board with that all over the chart good luck thank you thank you yeah I just I do want to talk to you about sometimes