 Welcome once again to the breakfast on plus TV Africa now Let's go to the newspapers this morning and see what major stories we can share with you We already have our guests who will be introduced in a bit. We're starting with the punch newspapers Would be on your screen in just a few seconds and of course you get to see the big ones Yes, it says there military onslaught in Zamfara dislodged bandits flee southwards Gunmen strike in Kogi Kaduna Ikiti It says we've got intelligence reports that bandits were coming to ondo forest a Motecun core commander says also terrorists Invade Kogi prison three 240 prisoners kill two soldiers and gunmen abduct her for Ikiti travelers Also on the punch for dead 166 houses destroyed in a Buja estate flawed Indigenous nationalities demand referendum as UN protests starts today APC state congresses hold as October 2nd Also this morning EFCC raids or gun government hotel and others have her in fraudsters arrest 56 Federal government wants against thick vaccine card sale justifies compulsory vaccination Still on the punch VAT judgment FIRS may lose 92 billion Naira revenue to states and another strike looms Asu wants any R.D. Wansbuhari to lead talks following our heads legal team finally Non-oil exports federal government suffers 5.8 trillion Naira revenue shortfall On the nation newspaper panic in FCT Kwara Ikiti over 240 fleeing inmates Gunmen kill soldier policeman in Kogi prison attack 75 Zamfra popules freed striking doctors disown NMA over Buhari meeting ICPC invites XIG DG budget others police trust fund on the probe IPOB stops popules from sitting WASSE exams in southeast APC states congress holds October 2nd Fitch upgrades Lagos government to AAA rating Appeal court presidents judges pay poor judiciary underfunded COVID-19 25 dead in Lagos in three days four passengers kidnapped in Iqiti and Lastly on the nation newspaper four die six vehicles swept away in a budget flood All right the daily independent coming up next it says despite headwinds insurance That's what headwinds insurance premium may hit one trillion Naira in 2021 COVID-19 has come to stay we must live with it says the federal government says vaccine delivery would hit 52 million doses by quarter two of 2022 that appeals to striking doctors to suspend action. I Am loyal to Obasaki, but there are issues in Edo PDP says deputy governor conduct of politicians judges and lawyers worrisome NBA laments Insecurity chief of army staff wants commanders against excuses and We can also find here. I'll be a government devices measures to stop sit at home compliance integral residents lament sit at home Flood kills four sweeps 20s 26 vehicles destroys 166 houses in Abuja one or two others bandits invade military base in Zamfara kill 12 and Gone men attack or deep reasons kill policemen and soldier free 224 inmates those are the big stories on the daily independent Alright, I think we can look at those stories this morning and say hello to our guests. Mr. Chris Wander. Good morning. Thank you for joining us Good morning. Thanks for having me. So I want us to begin with the good news We're seen across the papers and we've seen that on the punch newspaper We've also seen that on the nation newspaper Zamfara pupils freed and also on the daily independent newspaper and is a story of 70 70 or about a bigger part of 75 Zamfara pupils freed the ballast them Zamfara state governor below metawali announced this on Monday that you know, it's been a while Back and forth negotiations I'm trying to make sure that the students are released and that finally and that they have been arrested They're rescued with the help of some gunmen who had repented and what do you think about the story? Well, that's good news and We want more of that But in as much as we're celebrating that don't forget that the onslaught is also ongoing the bandits in Zamfara and other neighboring states are still digging in and Kidnapping so many other Nigerians So many of these Kidnappings and that doshans are not reported So it's only the high profile ones that you get to hear it about or hear about but I can tell you that There's a lot of that lots of them kidnapping Going up in that as it's but good enough that this issue of some of the students that were kidnapped have been released The last report we had was that This year alone over one thousand other one does a kind of Over one thousand students have been kidnapped Across the nuts. Don't forget what we have in Niger State, Zamfara, Karsina and so many of the other states within the North and that in itself is a big challenge to the Go back to school Attempts to make sure that today puppies in the North Get the basic education when you look at in terms of the problem we have with our major is where every we are in the North so many Children out of school and if you want that Going to school have been kidnapped and adopted on a daily basis including in Kaduna We don't expect them to happen, but good enough. I hope that this we propel the security agencies to also try as much as possible to rescue all that school police who are still a Within the codes of the bandits. I'm terrorist as I called them I don't like only using that were bandits terrorists We are just rising this area and they kidnapped people for ransom No, let's move to the southeast one of the things that we had already spoken about this morning It sells on the daily independent the Abia state governor. It's at the bottom left of the screen It says Abia government devices measures to stop sit at home order Rather compliance and it says also Inugu residents Lament sit at home if you're also aware this week apparently there's been More days added to the sit at home Tuesday for Biafra You know members are remembrance those who were killed in the attack and I'm the cameras residents and on Friday another sit at home for You want because of an I'm the cameras trial So now I want your thoughts on the Relevance of the Abia state government's move and also governor will you be an Ovanambra state who was walking around yesterday trying to encourage people to come out share your thoughts on that You know we discussed we discussed this over three four weeks now on a Every Tuesday on the issue of seats home sit at home or sit to whatever you call it in the sentence and my take has always been that the The leaders of the southeast are not doing enough Especially the governor they're not doing enough to assure the people of the safety of their lives And that is why they are sitting at home. I will say it's not because most of them support Ipoh or whoever is giving such instruction, but because of the fact that if they go out They are the tendency that they lose their lives or they'll be attacked So because of that the rudder stay at home when they know that the government cannot protect them So if the governors are decided to do what we have been advocating all this white people to reassure the people and put out It necessary security measures in place to make sure that The people are safe They feel safe enough. They will come out and do their businesses and I Know as you rightly said I mentioned governor will you be a no to people by the horn yesterday and we're out Okay, and so markets in an amber state to assure people that their lives are safe that they should go about their businesses But whether people will hit with that is something I don't know, but I have always had this Just as I mentioned one of my Show me the handle this morning. I feel that The those of the South is my people and a man in woman Who doesn't seem to be politically matured enough just like what those are the Southwest I would give you like example What is happening in the South is presently cannot have with the Southwest You cannot see the Saturday government people shutting down the economy of the Southwest Just because Sunday boohoo is being heard in prison or is being here somewhere. You cannot see them doing that That is one. You cannot also see the situation where people People of the South is we start going to schools just never with students And who are writing the exams or people from going to take exams at the rest of them You're telling the you're going to the the South is to another education the disadvantage Place you are turning the children of the South is into a major is What you're not trying to do is not to scare the children from going to school And once that happens then there's going to be consequences and serious problem In that so I don't see that happening in the search for the is not only American that is being an administrator But Sunday boohoo is also in prison But don't see the people of the South is behaving the way some of my people are here behind that is So I only say that we need to borrow a leaf from the people of the subtle that I'm talking about He goes or sat is people now you might see the you might say that the There may be some level of difference between what is happening to go ahead But they're practically the same thing they are both agitators and they've been arrested and they have also seen situation where And the South is leaders also coming out to be able to put in a word or two for Namdae college to be able to make sure that this thing is resolved. You can see what is happening to you boohoo Clearly that's of the Southwest. I'm hoping to be any of us the bus have said a mystery You know one president have gone to bed to continue to see way of making sure that this guy is released But said he's not but you can also do besides that Just to pass that which what happened in this case of in Namdae college We are some of the leaders stuck at their necks and got their fingers, but if remember what's happened to any number in it So if you understand one so but my own what is that? We must know who disrupt the economy of the South is is going down on a daily basis And that doesn't show the governors to come out Make sure that they are sure the people of their safety so that they can go about their businesses without any harassment and security agencies Maybe to take initiative at this time also to be able to make sure that people's life and properties are protected Okay on the front page of the punch newspaper There's a story here on the vats judgment. It says FIRS may lose 92 billion narrow revenue to states and when we take a swipe on the leadership newspaper And we see that it's the headlines there on the leadership It says VAT battle shifts to national assembly as lawmakers resumed today Umahi opposes collection by states and our fear grips FIRS tax consultants So in this story on the leadership basically it's saying that you know The lawmakers have resumed after their two month recess and that they'll be talking about you know This matter because the FIRS had gone to the Constitution amendment committee of the national assembly headed by senator Of your my gigi asking it to basically, you know, find out what they would decide on this matter Who would collect, you know, the VAT the states or the FIRS? So as the lawmakers begin to debate on this matter, what factors would you want them to consider? well good enough is a constitutional matter as Rennie said and The lawmakers are there to make laws and where they seem where it's necessary to amend some But basically as it were presently based on what the courts have said, it is the right of the state to have the right to do what they are doing It is It is not within the scope of the federal government. What about federal agencies to collect VAT? from states and a court in River state that we already went about on that A law has been passed in river states. They won't last week the governor of Lagos that have signed the legacy but low into law and that is what it is and So good enough, it is for the FIRS to appeal which I think they are appealing already into the court of appeal we are an injunction was given by the with a court of appeal For the status quo to remain but that to me is what we're still slicing is what we call soft to Restructuring These are some of the fundamentals that the people have been talking about over the years that the way Nigerian system is Structured now is not working and there's a need for us to research a bit the same national assembly We're supposed to study debate or start making this necessary Restructuring I'm not doing enough and the laws trust of both the state and the people that represent it So which is why the state are not taking they are taking the initiative not only that don't forget that the stamp duty It's data already started talking about the stamp duty and they're ready to go to court on that. So let's watch the National assembly will come out to bex Let us even take it a little further We can also be very creative with this and this is where I think that the FRS can be creative Even if the state decides that is decided that the states have the right to collect their but the federal FRS can also be more creative about it because they can collect on behalf of the states and At the end of it all and see get their purpose and don't forget that what ever it was goes to ever is it's just for percent So they can help the states to collect and see take they have get their purpose because you know why Most of the states don't have all the necessary statistics They don't have the database to be able to effectively collect the stars like the federal and like revenue service They already have a data that can be that can use so even if at the end of it all the court Still rules that the state to have the right to just but the FRS state can be see more initiative and see get what they are getting All they need to do is help the state collect this and see get their full percent even this time around directly From source and this boss back to the states if you understand what I'm trying to say So they've not lost anything because FRS is only getting so that's the mistake most people have been they think that FRS gets everything FRS does not get anything what FRS get is just about hope set of that vat And which is why you see at the end of it, but the state just boss this money back to the states based on certain sharing Formula We are not getting enough From the vat as we're supposed to be and which is why they're going about this state back to us Yeah, still on this. I want you to go ahead and share your thoughts on The governor of Eboni State David Umahi who is speaking against This move by states to of course collect their value at their tax Um, you know earlier. I think sometimes late last week we had spoken extensively about how this Might affect states across the nation Modern 30 states that will be affected if this eventually comes to pass And so do you think that's where they've umahi is speaking from or is it really just, you know You know a support for the presidency that is driving his narrative David Umahi is the governor of Eboni State. I want to speak for Eboni State and not for Nigeria All the governors have the right to determine how the If he feels that the average the collecting for the states are well and good No, no, he's saying I think he's speaking against states collecting their Of that being paid to states Basically speaking in support of the frs. Um, and you know asking that it remains Yeah, that is where that's where I'm going to that's what I'm saying He supports of frs and the collecting of what I'm saying in the sense that If The states every state has a right to determine how The governor or whatever the dust can rule their state or to preside over their states So and the governors have come to see A loophole in that tax law and have gone into from what I've learned I learned that there is no nothing in the constitution of Nigeria which give FRs The right to collect It was silent Probably the those that drafted the constitution in 1999 didn't ever say that but it's going to be a very very big avenue for Revenue collection and rest of them if you understand what I'm saying So they were everybody probably looking at oil oil oil, which is why they're so much embossing on oil But now they've we've taken it a higher and that is becoming a very A very big factor in revenue and let me say this Whether 30 states are going to die or not It depends on the creativity of the government There is no state in this country that does not have Resources that they can use and push to drive revenue in their states There's a name one single state most of them we can say that oh, okay most of these Issues on the exclusive list and rest of them Which also when we're talking about the issue of resolution where states can should be allowed To be able to tap it into the resources within their states and not pay something But that happened in the first public and that was how the The eastern region the western region the northern regions aggressive. Remember the days of the Was it not pyramids the days of coco in the In the south the days of coal in the east and rest of it That was what happened was that within that but within these regions the regions we are We are allowed to be able to harness the resources within their Within their region and pay back a certain percentage to the federal government The way we as well structured now the federal government is too big is too much a elephant in a room About 51 50 to 51 percent of the Revenue To go to the federal government Where are 774 local government and 36 36 including fc t Just have just barely about 48 percent to To share among themselves that is he said is he is not good enough So I believe that if we are starting looking at this issue of the resort area where states can be allowed Let me give a practical example. It's not like Augustine Have no reason to go to the federal to collect anything Gogi state is so rich in mineral resources that whatever is coming from Gogi state can be able to effectively Take care of that state other some of state in the north as well agriculture, but no state But no state can fill half the whole of west Africa If they are very very If they are very creative Is it could be or which of one of the kv state or idea about there was having a handshake with lego state in the production of price I'm sure you must have to be to still remember that That at a point that lego's was invested in other a kb. I think it's kb And every every month you see rise this shift to lego. So what I'm saying is There is no state in Nigeria that can not support the problem We have is that every month our governors are so lazy that they send their finance commissioners to abuja to come and share Out of the revenues coming out of the federal and once they collect that they just go back to the estate and then and sit back lego state was deprived of his Rebellion of a share of the federal allocations if forgotten during the oba san job Mine and that was when they got they came up became so creative that for months They did not depend they didn't wait on the federal government to get to that. That was how lego started idea started rising So I believe that When it comes to a point where certain people or certain states are pushed to the wall They'll become creative. But you know, it is structured now. We are not getting it I want us to Quickly take a look at these stories of two strikes in Nigeria First of all, it's the one with the nard the nigerian association of resident doctors So they're basically criticizing the nma and the presidency for having meetings behind their back as you've said it Now vice president of nard said quote How can you say you're having dialogue with people who are not concerned? We're the ones having the issues that you're meant to meet with us. And that's because nard and the nma and the president Met and you know, the nma is now coming back to the any already to accent the color of the strike But the any already is complaining that there have been sidelined in the conversation also talking about the The strike with asu so the academic staff union of universities Insists that the federal government actually has the money to pay the revitalization funds of about 40 billion Naira I believe and that the federal government has just chosen not to do so And they're asking the government to go back and implement the mo you that designed december 20th 2020 Please let's have your comment on these two stories If what nard is saying is the truth then that's a stab on the back by nma. Don't forget nma is not on strike Is not that it's on strike. So if there are going to be any negotiation, it's going to be federal government and nard Enemy can only come in as an observer And cannot be the people that are going to go for negative enemy has nothing to stick here It is not that initiated it Don't forget that any enemy last week issued a warning to the federal government that if the discussion with nard doesn't go Well as planned that they will join the strike. So enemy has not joined the strike It is a national association of resident doctors on strike So if there's going to be any kind of negotiation then The negotiations should be between nard and the federal government and enemy can only be Invited as an observer and they are not going to be the one to negotiate for nard. So Um, I think that the government is just trying to pay policies and try to break the ranks of the doctors They'll be foolish enough if they if nma should be allowing itself to be used against the resident doctors for the For their demands, which to me is legitimate enough But enemy should be very very careful. They should be very careful government In anywhere, especially in Nigeria, you don't trust government because whatever agreement to sign with government today They will engage on it and that takes me to what as we say Don't forget that was as was on strike for practically one one year and at the end of it or they reach An agreement with federal government. It was signed sealed and delivered as the same law Then at the end of it or you could see that um, um, the the The federal government have been able to have units on that agreement Which is now prompting and as you say that oh, we have made we resume our strike the same thing with us People people have wasn't really forgetting the one that they reached with their agreement union of a polytechnic Elections or whatever They are called that also has been under this system within the government that they go into Making promise at the end of it or some agreement But they don't live by that agreement when you call out a strike the booking rush the industrial court to get an injunction to stop that I think we should stop all this on this kind of this charades are the happening here and there Our government should be it should be trusted any government as foreshort of trust With the people then the legitimacy of that government is in question. And we always be put to so Um, I think that uh, I see advise that enemy should trust softly Not should be carried along at the end of it or it is not not that is wearing the shoe and they know Where it touches them. All right, so in agreement we turn them in without not thinking about them That might not work. All right, Mr. I want to quickly also speak on the security challenges the attack on the army base in uh, Zamfara it's reports that 12 people were killed 12 soldiers apparently were killed And um, also the kogi prison break where more than 214 inmates. Um, we are reported to have been set free um in kogi state Yes, let me start with the kogi prison break. It's just unfortunate that we have been having sent jailbreak and it seems that the Ministry of Interior doesn't seem to be getting as together as with the um, the prisons Um, I I I I passed through Where that prison is I passed through the Towards the last come away from abuja and then I came by road for certain reasons And I saw where that you know, I saw that that was my first time I've seen that prison It really I saw that where that prison was I knew that's going to be sure as if I was a prophet and I say within my mind that This place is so prone to attack That prison is on the obajana. If you know kogi state very well obajana kaba Which um that road is on that express where you have dangutis meant after that It is just in an isolated place nothing Nothing that the where it is and when I passed I didn't see some kind of the kind of security that you expect to see In front of the prison and rest of them. So the place is so isolated that it is very prone to attack You need to see the world. I've seen several prisons. I've seen the kogi prison I've seen quickly prison and rest of them if you see the one of that prison It's so low that anybody can and not that a person can easily climb that place and jump over So I don't think that the prison authority did are doing the need for some of this person Maybe the two people granted them. That is the one. I'm sure that is the wall of that prison You can see how how small that one is If you are anybody nobody can be able to climb The kogi prison wall or quickly prison wall and it is those these tools is to look So I think we should put all the necessary security in place so that we don't continue to have this kind of J breaks. One happened in SARS They happened in We've seen in a door Kogi have been very consistent In Lokoja and Nakaba I think the authorities should be able to make sure that enough security is put in place And they should be able to raise those words to prevent But for the Literally attack in Zampara I don't know whether the issue of cutting off Of a network services Is helping the issue of security in Zampara by personal opinion I don't know how the military will be able to communicate our security just to be able to communicate within themselves And be able to meet most of the security I said they have modern Mechanisms they are using but my problem is that if you cut off a network Um telecommunications Telecommunications services because we want to cut off the bandit. What are the soldiers on ground? What are the policemen on ground? What are the htss on ground? How will they communicate within themselves if somebody is in a far away 30 50 100 kilometers away from where you are. How do you communicate? How do you be able to mobilize your your troops to be able to Is my personal opinion? I'm not the secretary as far But my opinion is that probably this issue of cutting off network and the rest of them might not be working It may have a retrogressive effect on our security architecture, but they're no better bet But I still feel that um, we should try to prevent some of the that was an attack at nda Don't forget that also. We are still having a major attack was kidnapped and adopted We're going to sleep with that. Nobody has said anything that they have that I don't think that young man has been rescued and I don't know what effort the security is Nijame is making to make sure that that young man is safe and that is where we find ourselves insecurity everywhere all part of the country And who do we blame if we blame the president and say people say that we're not being We are not being definitely not But they post up on this table Yes, miss. I wonder that's a good place to live it this morning. Thank you very much for joining us on off the press We appreciate your analysis as always Thank you very much. We do have a nice day. All right, and I'll be going to the year 2015 for today in history to tell you about A situation that we've seen, you know, too many times in the u.s. And it's about racial Profiling and discrimination All right, I'm going still in the united states to the year 1901 to tell you about the 25th American president and that comes up after the short break here on the breakfast