 If you want to be consistent with exercise for the rest of your life, it's important to fully understand and appreciate all of the benefits exercise brings you. Okay, to be more specific, when you first get started, one of the things you might want to do is not watch your progress in the mirror or the scale. We're all aware of how exercise affects the way that we look or weigh, and sometimes it gets in the way of all the other incredible benefits that exercise provides. When you get that full picture, you can then create a relationship with exercise that lasts the rest of your life. Do you think you can get there before tackling like whatever the said goal was that got you to the gym? Oh, I mean, can you? Yeah, likely, probably not. Yeah, I thought about this a lot. Like part of I think what helped this process for me was actually getting the, reaching the physical goals, right? Like in seeing that, seeing how I felt, feeling that moment, and it's like, okay, it came and went, it's like, now what? Yeah. Had I not reached that, I wonder if I would still be chasing that and still feel like, ah, just, but I've never felt this way or I've never got it. And you know, it's like, it's kind of like the same thing, too, with, we've talked about this comparing the, your like financial journey. Like when you, when you come from nothing and you have this goal financially of like, oh, if I just made, you know, a million dollars or whatever. I'd be so happy. I'd be so happy, right? And, and I don't think, I don't think any wise, even, even wise older version of me coming back in time and telling me, like, that's not going to, like, I don't think I listen. I think I have to go do it, to feel it and recognize it myself. So do you think it's possible for somebody who's entering their, their journey of fitness, who's, you know, insecure about being 40 pounds overweight and feels that they just got to get this weight off desperately or whatever? Can you get them to shift their focus on what you're alluding to right now? Well, that's what I'm going to try and do, um, you know, with this conversation is hopefully get people to kind of, um, you know, consider it. Because, okay, so let's, let's take a step back. If you're getting started or you've been on this journey, the ideal situation is you never stop, right? So I think if you were to ask the average person who gets started with exercise and fitness and, and you say, okay, ideally speaking, uh, in a perfect world, would you keep doing this forever or would you stop? And they'd say, well, I'd like to be able to do this forever. Okay. So if this is going to be something you're going to do for the rest of your life, which could be 30, 40, 50, 60 years or more, then essentially what you're doing is you have to develop a relationship with this activity where you're going to want to continue doing it for that long. And your best bet at doing that is to get a full understanding of what this will provide you. You know, I, I re, I think about the data on body acceptance, um, and body satisfaction. When you look at the data on the average age that people can say that they feel most satisfied, uh, or they accept their body is in their fifties and sixties, right? Fifties and sixties, like objectively speaking, just in terms of aesthetics, right? Like you don't look your best when you're in your fifties or sixties. Nobody does. Yeah. People would think you're twenties, right? Or, you know, that, that would be when you look your best or whatever. And yet the data shows that, that this is the, the highest odds of body acceptance is right on there. So what does that tell you? It has less to do with what, how you look. There's a lot more that goes into this. So, you know, I could say right now with full confidence and I think people, nobody would disagree, right? Exercise gives you more, if you do it right, right? Gives you more energy, improves your mobility, uh, improves your mood. The data shows it's very incredibly powerful, anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, uh, activity, um, balances out your hormones. And then through that, right? The filter through which you receive the world is more positive. So things don't seem as bad. Things seem more positive. You feel more resilient. But the problem is, is that we, we hyper focus on two aspects of the effects of exercise, which is like my weight and how I look, therefore ignoring all the others. And in the pursuit of those two weight and appearance, we end up sacrificing all those other things. We end up moving in the wrong direction. And then we end up developing a relationship with exercise where we hate it. It doesn't work. I don't like this. It doesn't feel good. I'm not getting what I thought I would get. And so it's no wonder people stop. Now, if people, if they put this, if they took the scale, I used to do this with clients and when I can get them to agree to, it was very powerful. Like take your scale, throw it away or, or hide it. Don't look in the mirror or at least don't study yourself in the mirror. Let's do this for 60 days. Can you do this for 60 days? And at the end of 60 days, they were always shocked at the results they had gotten because they weren't focused so heavily on it. And what happens because they're not weighing themselves, look in the mirror, you have no other, it would be like, if I put a blindfold on you, how much more aware you would be of your hearing and of your, of your, of touch and of smells because you, you're not able to focus on site. So by not focusing on those, you're, you're allowing yourself to be more aware of all the other potential benefits. Then when you develop that relationship with it, well, now it's this thing that you're going to always want to do because it improves everything. Yeah. I was thinking about your question, Adam, because, um, I think, you know, thinking back, I've had clients that are a lot more mature than, um, most and, and then some that aren't, you know, and it's usually like the younger clients that come in, we'll have this kind of idea of what they want to do and they're, they're just going to do it regardless. And they're going to make mistakes. And, you know, it's just kind of part of the journey is they're going to make mistakes and they're going to pursue things that, um, you know, might not be the most ideal. Uh, but then again, if you can propose something like, I just think that message probably isn't put out there enough for them to see as an option. Like, like let's, let's really draw this out and look at it for what it is to see, well, maybe this is actually going to last the longest. My body is going to get to that place I want it to, but it's just going to be a real gradual progression. And, uh, I'm going to be working with my body and I'm not going to be like really, you know, pushing it to this extreme that I had in my own ideas coming into this. Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point. Like maybe my perception of it is because it's so attached to 20 year old me and maybe if a 40 year old me was just now trying to get into shape for the first time in his life, found a good trainer, right? And maybe, maybe, uh, just the maturity of, and maybe because I can draw that to like money and other things like, Oh, oh, so it's kind of like that journey. Like I get it. Like, so I've learned this with other things. Yeah, exactly. And so maybe, maybe 40 year old me would be able to do that. 20 year old me, no way, right? But so maybe you're right. It's not, it's less to do with like that. You have to go through that journey per se and more so that there is a, uh, emotional self-awareness maturity that you probably need to be at in order to see that. You know, the irony of this is, is when you do what we're saying, you'll end up looking better than had you not. So this is actually the path towards what you think you want. And then speaking on, on appearance, you know, I was having this conversation earlier on a podcast and, um, you know, it, it really became very clear to me. I'll use another example, kind of illustrate where I'm going to go. But if you were to, if you, if you consume fitness information, media, social media and fitness information, you would, you would get the distorted, you would get a very distorted of idea of how effective supplements are because the fitness industry is an industry and it's a market like all markets. So it's there to generate revenue, supplements are a revenue generator. So a lot of the information that's put out there is to generate revenue from supplements. A lot of information that's out there talks about supplements, you would get the idea. And a lot of people do, and I did all as a kid, you read everything and you think supplements make much more of an impact than they actually do because the information that's put out is constantly talking about supplements. Well, media also puts out and lies to you through this, that it says looking, having a six pack or looking attractive, super attractive or flawless is going to is way more important to your happiness than it actually is. You think it's one of the most amazing things that, oh my God, if I just look like that person, I would be so happy. They have very good clear data on this. And it's actually, Arthur Brooks told me this, I think on our podcast, he said, if you were on a scale of one to 10, you were a five in terms of attractiveness, and you spent money, time and effort and years moving from a five to a nine, your happiness would barely move up a little bit of all the things that will affect your happiness. He's like, that will barely now having good health, much bigger impact, having better mental health, much bigger impact relationships with the people around you, having meaningful work, you know, not being in pain, those kinds of things, which exercise also provides. But what we're doing is we're putting all the value on our appearance because we think the appearance is what's going to give us all these things. And it's totally distorted. Yes. It's a big lie. You also risk that you get there and you recognize that you're not any happier. And then you have the attitude of like, oh, why even do this? Yeah. And then you throw it out the window completely. Like you're so obsessed with reaching this, you know, goal, this vanity goal, and you get there, you realize you're not any happier than what you were before. And you put all that work, sacrifice it. And then you go like, oh, this is not even for me. Then you write it off completely. So I think it's so important that we teach our clients to attach it to all these other things because you do risk, you risk one, like you originally said, being so obsessed that you drives you into unhealthy things to reach it. Or you actually reach it and then you realize, oh, how unfulfilled you are or oh, it didn't make you any happier. And then you have the attitude of eff it. Why even do that? You know, it's funny, I bet you, I don't know, there's no studies that I could pull from. But I would make bet money that if you took the mental health of extreme physique owners, like super ripped, super buffed, whatever, like fanatic, crazy, orthorexic, whatever, like super obsessed fitness people, if you were to sample their mental health, it would probably be very similar to unhealthy obese individuals. I bet you would find a very, it would be very similar in terms of their mental health. But I mean, we know this. How many people do we know in our space that they post pictures and they look like whatever and you meet them and you know them and you're like, oh man, they are struggling? I mean, this is because they traded one addiction for another. You have this, both mentally unhealthy, same mentally unhealthy person, just one of them abused food. In one way. And then in one way. And then the other, then they went the other direction and abused it by restricting from it and over obsessing about movement and exercise. I mean, I mean, I always think I think it's interesting too, because it's like, I mean, you always like to pull back and draw back to like evolution. And it's like, I don't think we evolved to work out in a gym seven days a week. I don't think that was like the, I don't think, I think that's something that we've adopted because we've technology and things have evolved that we've actually lost movement. Like we don't work anymore. We don't do laborious jobs anymore. But where's the balance of that? Like, where is there like, yeah, it's and we recognize the importance of our bodies moving and picking up heavy things and doing hard stuff. But then there's the other side of it. It's like when it becomes your life focus and you're obsessed with it. And it's like, so where, where is that? Does it improve the quality of your life or take away from it? So what are the, what are the important things in life? That's a hard one though, Sal, because the people that don't know. Yeah, because a lot of people, and I know you've met people like this that, you know, physically are, you know, look amazing and they're in the gym seven days a week would tell you that their life is much better. Cause aspects of it probably is, right? There's parts that they probably get complimented and feel confident. They're strong. They look better than they ever have. I mean, and they're probably sleeping better than they were before when they were, you know, fat and lazy. Like, so there's, there's enough things that they can draw to where they would, they would make the connection and saying that their life is. Well, does it improve your relationships or does it take away from your relationships? Does it improve your mood or take away from your mood? Does it improve your ability to be productive, take away? Does it make you a better husband or a worse husband, a better father or worse father? Yeah, you're well rounded. You know, there's a lot of things that are easy to hang out with. Yeah, you know. I don't know. It's sometimes people can get in this like hyper obsessed, which is fine. Like we all have hobbies and we all have like interests and things that we really pour ourselves into. You just have to kind of check yourself on some level like it's your all your entire world. I mean, I guess I just I operate from that same place of my goals to do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. And so my philosophy is I've gotten older is I am I doing more than I I don't want to work out hardly at all. If there's little as I can to obtain being strong, being fit and mobile, being capable. So you could do all the other stuff. So I could do all the other things. Yeah, I know. And that's it. Like I just like what's the what's the least amount I got to go to this this building and pick up these weird shaped weights. So and it's literally so I could go do all the other things. So I could get down and play with my son and not get tired. So I could carry things for my wife when we need to go somewhere. So I can protect my family if we were to be attacked. So I could go do sports and activities that I love to do. So whatever the amount of time I got to spend in that gym. That's great. Is is the I want to spend as little as building your cup up. So that way you can, you know, to do all the other shit anybody else. Any more than that is what? To feed my ego. Yeah, just so I can say I'm stronger than that guy, some other guy that's obsessed. Like it's like other than that. It's like so to me, it's like I'm always measuring that and going, OK, like totally what more can I apply so I get more out of these other things when it becomes the cornerstone of your life. I just I think you're out of balance evaluation that needs to happen. I think what's interesting too is, you know, we there's definitely signals that are being sent when you look at someone who's fit and healthy. And then what we've done is we vitalize that. But that's always that for all human history, that was never the goal. That was a sign that there was something behind that that meant something valuable. In other words, if you were a woman for 99.999% of human history and you saw a man with broad shoulders, look strong, good posture, look like he was mobile, that told you he could probably he could probably do things. He's probably healthy. He's probably, you know, viral or, you know, if when you look at a woman who's fit and healthy, it's like, oh, she could reproduce. She's healthy. She's not sick. She can move. Well, what's happened is we've taken the the the sign and made that the goal. Like, oh, that's everything. It's all about what you look like, not what it potentially could represent. By the way, I'm speaking from a place of struggle myself. This is my continual, I mean, I've been working out for over 30 years and this is something that I constantly have to like examine and check myself on because I easily I go there often or that then becomes the the goal is to just spend time in the gym or do more exercise or whatever. And so this is, you know, I'm coming from a place of like, look, this is I know what this is like, but it's a it's a continual conversation. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if you ever even even from my angle, right, which is kind of the opposite side, like I'm still always on the two because easily I can get to the justification of like, I don't need to do anything. You know, so it's a constant conversation. It's not this like, oh, I have it all figured out. It's that I'm always evaluating it because there's always like there's always something I go and do. Oh, shit. Doug and I just recently went skiing and like the note to self was I could use a little more cardio endurance. Oh, because it was affecting your yeah, I'm saying like, I mean, just carrying my snowboard from the truck up the hills to get there. I'm like, okay, I was a little more winded than I should be. Like, so that's like that check. Nice check. Yeah, it's like this check-in of like and again, why? Not so I could run an Iron Man or say that I'm faster than one of you. It's because I love that. That's something that gives me so much joy in my life and I don't want to lose the ability to do that or say like, I don't want to go snowboarding because that sounds like so much work and I can't do it. Like that's I don't ever want to say it for that reason. So that is what will drive what I do in the gym. One of my just I can't help but think it's like we're never ever in a period where you're in perfect balance. You're always chasing and pursuing balance. Yeah. And so it's like and if you stop thinking about that, you're going to be even further away from that. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? So, you know, for me to try and keep and maintain my strength, like I have to always have a conversation with myself. Like what what, you know, area should I kind of focus on now, you know, or if I've been sort of neglecting certain relationships or certain aspects of business or whatever it is, like you're just kind of like constantly evaluating where where the need is. And it's going to be constantly changing depending on the seasons of your life. There's going to be times like I remember when bringing bringing Max into this world, like it was just a that's right right before that was when I went on this like obsessed journey of being able to sit down and squat like and so it was like a massive goal to be able to just like get down in a comfortable position. Like can I can I get to a place where I can be comfortable in the squad position and play with my son on the floor to where I don't have to like lay down on my side or I'm all kneeling half like dad kneeling. You know, I'm saying that you like I don't want to do that. Like I want to be able to hop down there and play with him and be agile. Like that's a and that that will change. Right. So it just depends on the season of your life and evaluate. And to me, that's like that's really what all all. Yes, because if you're going to do this for the rest of your life, like how else are you going to develop that relationship? Is it really going to be how you look when you're 60, 70? I mean, it's not. And when you meet people and working out for a long time, it isn't anymore. If they figure that out. By the way, speaking of I mean, with little kids like you, if when you're a dad and you have little kids, you do realize the value of exercise and fitness because little kids they're little nuclear reactors. They don't run out of energy. They want to play on the ground and one of the worst feelings ever this ever happened to you where you're like your kid wants to play with you and you feel tired. Oh, God, you know, and you're like, I don't want to drugs through this. I want my kid to be excited to play with him. I want to be excited to play with him. I mean, that's that's that's seriously, that's a big part of my my and so again, when you when you design your workouts or when you go into a workout, it's like right now I'm not hitting my PR anywhere near my PR squats or deadlift. I can still pull 400 pounds off the ground and comfortably squat 300. No problem. But I'm nowhere near my PRs or that stuff. But where is where is me adding 50 more pounds of the bar on either one of those lifts support my ability to play with him, you know, or help my wife pick something up and carry it? Like no nowhere. So then if the extra energy that I would put to putting 50 more pounds on that bar would be better served doing mobility drills or doing things like that because that's going to serve me at the current season or maybe work in another aspect of your health, like spiritual health or reading or learning. Exactly. Exactly. So it's like constantly having these check ins and looking at your your your health as this pie chart of all these different things, spiritual health, relationship, health, mobility, strength, endurance, like it all is in this this fear at different points at points of your life. More of them are going to be at different priorities and always checking in and going like, OK, where I'm where I'm where am I at and then where should my gym be focused around? 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And I guess that's a good place for them to get money, right? The whole the sign or something like that. So there's a dude there standing there and I've just been, you know, I've been like really on this journey. And this homeless guy standing there was a sign. So I'm like, oh man, I feel pulled to like maybe give him some money or something, right? So I kind of have like a little like, oh, you know, like inner check because there's always that like, what if I give him money? What's it gonna do with it? Is it really gonna help him type of deal? But I'm like, you know what? You know, I don't know. I think I should, you know, do this. And so I say like a prayer, like, you know, basically help me make the right decision. I open my wallet and I have four $100 bills. I'm like, you ain't get a hundred bucks. I'm not gonna give you. Oh man. Yeah, sorry, bro. You don't get a hundred bucks today, you know? It's expensive, yeah. But I, you know, I said that kind of prayer in my head or whatever. Now meanwhile, this is true, swear to God, Justin. I'm listening to the book of Matthew in my car. It's playing my car, right? So I look at my wallet. I see the hundreds. I already like, now you're not getting a hundred, but he's sorry. Say a little prayer. And then right when I do that, the story in Matthew of the rich man going to Jesus and saying, how do I get into the kingdom of heaven? He goes, sell all your, he's a rich guy. So sell all your belongings, give them to the poor, come follow me. So I hear that, right? And I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh, come on, man. Light turns green and I kind of drive off and I feel like so conflicted. I'm like, oh man, what do I do? I gotta get here for a podcast or whatever. But I mean, seriously, how crazy is that that I got that? You were almost better off not asking. I know, dude, I was like, oh. It's always tough lessons. Hey, I found time. I found time though. Did you find him? I did. I drove all the way back because it was like weighing on me. So I did a podcast interview. It was weighing on me. And I'm like, I'm like, you know what? That's how obvious. Now did you just give it and walk away or did you ask him to do something? I asked him to pray for me. You did? Yeah, so and he said some really nice things to me, this guy. Some really nice things about my family and whatever. So it was really nice, he got a nice crisp hundred dollar bill. So there you go, dude. Don't thank me. Thank God, because he talked to me at that moment. It's so funny. I know, it was so funny. It's like one of those moments where you just shake your head, like, all right, dude. It could be a 20 in here somewhere. I'm like, what are the odds, right? Anyway, funny stuff. I gotta tell you guys of a review of one of our listeners who's been using a GLP-1 agonist called Terzepitide. So Terzepitide, Semiglutide, the brand names, Wegovie, Osempik. These are like making the news as these like peptides that are up until now, there's nothing's been shown to be more effective at weight loss. And it doesn't have the side effects of previous weight loss drugs. It's not a stimulant or whatever. People are using them and they're just working. So this guy, he heard us talking about it and he wrote kind of a review of what's happening with him. And it's not just the weight loss part that blows me away. And I keep reading stuff like this, which is wild. So he started on Terzepitide. He's on one-tenth the normal starting dose, which by the way, when they start you out, they typically start you out at a very, very small dose just to see what's the effect of dose. And I also didn't know this. I think it's like a once a week injection. I don't think it's an everyday injection. I think it's once a week. Interesting. Yeah, so for people who are afraid of everyday sub-Q injection, I think it's once a week. That's, okay, that doesn't make sense to me because I know if you were to do growth hormone, I don't think it's a short-acting peptide. I think it's maybe long-lasting. Maybe Doug, you can confirm this. But how often do you have to inject Terzepitide? Or how often do you have to inject some aglutide? That's the specific one our MP Hormones partners have. They have Terzepitide. They work with some aglutide. That's the one I ordered, by the way. That's the one you're gonna do. Weekly. Yeah, yeah. It's once a week. Once a week, yeah. I know that, what was it last week when we talked about this? Yeah. I should, mine should be. So check this out. This is what this person sang. So they started on it and he goes, no negative side effects, 100% taken away the food fixation. So this is the words he used that I've always struggled with. I can't remember a time when I wasn't already thinking about my next meal, even though I'd just finished eating. Now here's the crazy part. I'm still hungry. No nausea, no headaches, but also not fixated on food. So it's not like it kills your appetite. He's just not obsessing about food. And then here's the other part. And this is what I keep hearing. It takes the cravings a bit. Here's the part that's weird. I've also noticed that I have zero desire to engage in some other negative behaviors. Binging, procrastination, and a few others because the hedonistic aspect around them isn't there anymore. That's the weird. That's the weird thing about this. For the audience, I'm a few people record that. No one's more honest than Adam. Yeah, and I'll tell you what it's like. Exactly what's going on. I think it's gonna be really interesting. And I've definitely paid attention to, I've talked about it. You're the perfect person. I've talked about my relationship with sugar, with diacobes, with all these different things that I'm very, very aware of my pull and draw to it. So it'll be really interesting. And so I tell you one of the things why I didn't do it right away. When I first talked about it, I was like, you know, though, like the last thing I want, is it for it to reduce my appetite so much that I have even harder time hitting my protein intake? Yeah, I'd be worried about that too. Because that's my biggest struggle. Because eating that much protein, what do you have to hit, 220? Yeah, 220 plus, dude. That's hard. 230, you know what I'm saying? So in order to maintain that, my body type from all these years of training to build muscle, unfortunately if I eat bad, quote unquote bad, where I'm not paying attention to my food, eating out, doing stuff like that, I'll lose. Like I just, I lose muscle. Now my weight will stay about the same, but I just drop muscle and build and gain body fat. It's like the worst. So it's like, it is. I mean, if I just got a little fatter, I'd be like, yeah, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But I lose my muscle at the same rate. It's like, it's awful. So that's my biggest fear is that, okay, so it curbs all these cravings and appetizers, but then I'm still struggling to eat. So that's really interesting that the feedback was, she's still hungry, but not doing that. So I'm most interested in hearing what you have to say. So the person that I know that's close to me, that's taking some aglutide, hasn't noticed any of these other facts, but does say that they're not fixated on food. They still enjoy it. They just don't want to eat as much, but they haven't noticed anything else. But I have read other people saying they're reducing other like bad habits. And then I've been reading about some people having antidepressant and anti-anxiety effects from it. In fact, there's some studies where they're looking at the potential, and it makes sense, right? If it is acting on the parts of the brain that are seeking like distraction or hedonistic pleasure that maybe it is an antidepressant in some cases. So we'll see, I don't know. But I'm interested to hear if you have any behavioral changes. I just text Katrina right now, and it's like it's already on its way. So I should be getting it in the next couple of weeks. And now does anyone talk to you about how soon? So should I expect it to happen relatively quick? Also, I'm assuming I should probably come off of my growth hormone at the same time. I shouldn't be running. I don't need to be running. I don't think it matters. Oh, you don't think it matters. No, I don't. So I can do both. I would double check that, but I'm pretty sure I don't. Okay, okay, interesting. I know, I know, right? Along the lines of eating, I had a great conversation about helping to teach kids how to develop a good relationship kind of with food. And I was explaining it to this individual. And I realized I never really explained it really well on the podcast because he was kind of asking me some questions. And it's a very different approach from the one that I had with my older kids. So I have, you know, for people who don't know, I have two older kids from the first marriage and then two younger kids from my wife now. And the age gap is pretty big. My daughter, 14, and then I have a son that's three. So there's 11 year difference. And the way that I am with food now is very different than I was with my older kids. The way I was with my older kids was very educational. Protein does this, carbs does this. You can only eat that if you finish this first type of deal. I thought that was like the best approach. But what I found, and you see this a lot with people in our space. Oh, this is what prompted it, the episode with Jason Khalifa, which by the way, we're getting crazy messages on. Crazy amounts of messages. He was extremely vulnerable. People are like, thank you for putting this up. I was in tears. I struggled, my daughter, my son, you know, whatever, like really big. So that's what prompted this conversation. A lot of people in the fitness and health space, we end up causing these problems with our kids because we fixate on the health effects and do this and do that and do this and that. And the reason why that causes an issue is because the skills that you need in today's world with food, especially for little kids, is you want them to learn to have a kind of relationship with food where they can listen to their internal cues, where they don't eat to please other people or not eat in order to avoid shame or ridicule. Like you want them to develop a relationship with food that's kind of like comfortable, balanced, where they don't feel like they have to use food to numb themselves, distract themselves, or restrict food in that case. And so it's very different. So what we do now is when we eat dinner, we will put four or five options on a plate for my kid and I pick one or two that I know that he'll like, for sure, like I know he likes raspberries and I know that he likes rice, for example. So that'll be on there. Then I'll put stuff that I think he'll eat, but that he should eat, that he needs to eat, so like some lamb or some meat. And then I'll put a couple of things that I know he doesn't like, but I want to present him with so that he can learn to kind of start to appreciate maybe different textures like olives and maybe some broccoli. And you put them in front of them and then you don't make a big deal about it. And they eat what they eat and they don't eat what they don't. And you just continue presenting it that way. Now the difference is you don't let your kids eat whatever they want, because some people are like, oh, you just let your kid, no, no, no. Obviously they're impulsive. They don't have the skills yet. So you present them the choices that you are okay with and then you let them make their choices and you make it not a big deal. And then you do your own thing. And then little by little, they start to develop that confidence. And you know, this is- I feel like we're, you know, I really feel for parents that are trying to figure this out after the fact. Yeah. Like this really has not been, you know, so far, right? Coming up on five years. This has not been a challenge for us at all, but we went in it with intent, right? And what I think is the first and foremost is what we do. What we do- 100%. What we do and what we eat. My son is- Kids learn what you model. Yeah. More than anything. He's never craved fast food because he's never seen fast food in our house. You know what I'm saying? Like real fast food. If we eat out, it's like Nick the Greek chicken on a stick, right? Yeah. That he called, which is one of his favorite things to have. You know, he consistently, and when we eat, it's not, he has his dish and we have to, we eat together. It's the same food. It's like, and it's just not a real big deal. And you're not doing the whole, like you have to eat all that. Sometimes he eats a lot. Sometimes it's less. Like, you know, I was, I was even thinking about the other day, like I've had some, some nieces and nephews in my family in the past. Like we're really overweight kids. And I remember thinking about like, oh, when I have a kid one day, I like I'm not going to let him, you know, get like that overweight. That's unhealthy. And I don't even like, I've been trying to figure out like, what is it that probably caused their kids to put on that much behavior that's sweet? Because I really don't, we don't really like, we don't restrict Max at all. And there's times when that kid, he eats more than me sometimes. And I don't tell him he can't. I mean, he's making all whole food choices. He's eating like crazy and I'll let him just go eat when you're, but he doesn't eat snacks. He eats food. You know, he eats whole foods. And that's just kind of how we've done it. It's like, hey, you're hungry. Go have a banana. Oh, you want something to eat? There's the chicken leftover from yesterday. There's like, so he can have it if he's hungry and we don't go, oh, you can only have this. And he's always maintained, and he's not like a, like a sports kid. So he's not like super active. Like I feel like, oh, really, this is really active, right? Physically runs everywhere. It doesn't like, I mean, Max and I wrestle and he plays and he definitely plays, but he's he's also content sitting and building his Legos or reading or doing stuff like that. And weight is managed really, like there isn't, there's never been a thing where he, I feel like he's put on too much weight. No, I think if you give him, if you model it is a big one, because some kids, their houses, it's like unlimited, you know, junk food. It's like the pantry's full of it. That's what the parents eat. It's what everybody eats. And it's unlimited. There's no governing in the sense that. That's the only way I can, I think this is happening, right? It's gotta be like, you're not governing it. You're allowing them to eat whenever and then they're, you're allowing. And they're eating what you eat. Legos, candy, treats. And those calories do sneak up really fast. And there's, then they're so desirable for a kid. They have drug-like effects. Exactly. He's probably gonna eat. By the way, the brain is modeling so much as a kid that if you grow up eating like that when you're a kid, there's a certain percentage of that. You'll never get back in the sense that their brain is going to start to mold itself off of these incredibly palatable foods to where they might never be able to enjoy whole natural foods the way they could have because they experience these drug-like effects from all these, you know, processed foods. That's what we've heard. Yeah, I've had a little bit of a, I guess we celebrated recently because we've had a bit of difficulty with our youngest kid. When it comes to like, just not, I mean, I guess just trying healthy foods and like trying to consistently like seek it out himself. And recently, like he's been ordering fish on his own. And I'm like, what the like, like Brussels sprouts, like he's like ordering all the stuff if we go out to eat like on his own. And so I guess my thing right now is just to put a little encouragement out there and appearance that, you know, it's not always like, you might model it, you might have like the whole foods on display. You might be doing all the right steps, but your kid is still very resistant. It's a long game. It's a long game. Yes, because this is what you're weighing that my kid eats perfect now versus I helped them develop the skills to be able to make good choices for the rest of their life. And it's a longer process. Really, it was the intensity that was for us around it that was backfiring. So, you know, for me to step back and just like, you know, he's gonna have some things like we're not gonna provide it. You know, I know he's gonna go his friends or he's gonna go and he's gonna get some things like, you know, outside of our control. But I mean, he was never like that far off. It was just like, it would just eat at me. You know, it was just like, ah, like why can't you eat more protein? Why can't we like start, you know, in this sequence and like, you know, let's, let's, and he would always fight and try and like make his own food while as a dinner we're like having food. I'm like, no, you have like, we're eating this as a family. And you know, and there's all this intensity around it. And so just kind of like pulled myself out of that. And it's, it's slowly been working. So I just, I didn't want to throw that out there because it's, it's a lot of this, like, yes, you can control your modeling and you can control the consistency, but that's about it. So talk a little bit more, Justin, about that, like how you balance out, because I also don't think you give in to just, like imagine if you guys are having chicken or steak dinner and say rice, vegetables, whatever, whatever a staple dinner might look like at your house. And it might be something he doesn't like. I mean, does he get to go have pizza instead and have whatever he wants? Like how do you, how do you manage like, I don't like that. I don't feel like that. But at the same time too, the default can't be Doritos and stuff like. Yeah, I guess, yeah, that's a good point. I don't have that as like the fallback. It's more like, I like the steak, but I don't like the broccoli. And I don't like the rice. And I don't like. Of the choices that are there. The potatoes. Like he didn't like anything else other than like one item. You know, and then I'm like, well, that's all you're eating. Yeah. And that's it. You know, and you fight always. Yeah, yeah. And you're, and you're chill about it. I think, you know, I think, so we've been like that with Max too. And what I've noticed even in his short four and a half years is he goes through these phases of liking some things and not like. Bro, they're learning. You know, Jessica makes a really good point with little kids. She's like, think about it when you're a little kid, little kids or kids in general have no control or autonomy. They're constantly being told what to do with it. So when they feel like they need control, they'll assert it in places. And if you push, they'll push harder. So like you said, you throw the intensity on. Your kid fights back and you're, it's because they're told when to wake up, what to wear, where to go. Yeah. You know, so you give them a little bit of economy freedom. It's funny too how you can easily influence them negatively without the intent of it. For example, this just happened. It's funny we're having this conversation because, again, I think Max has been just incredible with food. It's been very easy for us. But there's times when, again, he doesn't like something. And we made egg salad because of the talk about eggs. Recently, I've been trying to incorporate more eggs. I'm like, you know, let's do some hard boiled eggs. Let's try to incorporate more eggs into it. Because that's an area he doesn't do a lot of eggs for breakfast. That's not a go-to thing. Was this after we talked about that study? Yeah, yeah. So again, right away, I'm trying to introduce that. So Katrina made egg salad sandwiches. He's never had that shit. I think I've only had that twice with her since we've been just not a staple thing that we would make is an egg salad sandwich. So we're having it first time. And I'm really excited to see how he's going to react. But because I'm over here, I'm like, this is so good. Too much. Too much, dude. So he bit into it. And he's like, overhyped. Yeah, he never does that. And Katrina looked at me. She goes, that was your fault. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, what? And she's just like, yes. She's like, that's your son. Because you made it about you. You wanted him to like it. If you would have just ignored him, he would have ate it. And he wouldn't have even said anything. That's me, dude. I tried, I'm so bad at that. I totally fucked up, dude. And I know I did because I was like, I wanted him to be excited about it because I was in my back. I've totally done that. Yeah. Normally, I just ignore. I don't even pay attention to what she's feeding me. If you act chill and you do your thing. Yeah, she has to choose. She's like, that was all on you. She's like, you made a big deal about how good it tastes. And because of that, he was. I did. So I did this last night. So right before our three-year-old potty train, but at night he'll wear a diaper in case of accidents or whatever. But right before he goes to bed, I want him on the toilet. Otherwise, what happens is I put him down. I stay with him in bed. And then he's like, oh, changing my diaper. We got to stop this process. So I want him to sit on the toilet. So last night, you know, I take him to the bathroom and you know, I try to go to him and excited. And then I put him on. He kind of, you know, yells a little bit. And I was like, no, you got to go to the bathroom. And Jessica's like, you don't got to do that. I'm like, what do you mean? If you didn't do that thing, I changed his diaper. I would deal with that. She's like, just this is all you got to do. And she basically, this is what she does. She just talks with him, hangs out. She slowly walks in the bathroom, does some stuff in the mirror or whatever. What does he do? He follows her, follows her in the bathroom, starts talking. And they start having a good conversation. While she's talking with him, he picks up a dental floss like she has. He's dealing in there. And then she like pulls his pants down, sit him on the toilet, and they're still talking. Like nothing. Just relaxed the whole time. Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm like, do it. You know, I want to be the authority, which is just. That's correct. It's so funny. Adam, I want to ask you, because you might not know. You might know this. What is the most durable car brand in the world as? Now, the criteria is how long these cars actually stay on the road after they've been released or whatever. Toyota or Honda? Rolls Royce. Oh, Rolls Royce. Yeah. Interesting. Yep. So Rolls Royce is, and I'll read you the stats. It's the most durable car ever made. Almost three quarters of the cars that have ever been produced in the company's history are still in active use today. Wow. That speaks to the quality. Wow. I had no idea. Okay, so. Now, I wonder if it's quality or if it's. There might be a little caveat to that, because when you. People are taking care of them. Yes, like, yeah, you have a $400,000 plus car. You tend to sit in the garage, well maintain it, pamper it. It only comes out on Fridays for dinner. And so it's really common to buy a 10 year old, you know, Bentley or Rolls Royce and it's still a nice car. So I wonder if that plays a role. I would definitely say it's got to be the most durable luxury car then. Yeah. Because every expensive. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. And there's actually lots of like, like Maserati's an example of like a luxury car that's got a bad reputation for like, oh yeah, you'll have to fix something. Do they really? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Maserati's. I like the way a Maserati looks, but that's one of the turnoffs is when you look at the reviews. Yeah, I don't have enough horsepower. But don't they have a Ford engine? I don't know who does Ford own Maserati. So really? Yeah, that ruined it for me. I didn't know that. Maybe someone double checked that. I think Chrysler owned them for a while. Really? I don't know. Yeah, look up and see who I didn't know that soon. That makes me not so that not like. I mean, they've got a gorgeous car when we were out with shopping for dubs. I remember looking at this one they had there that was beautiful. But when I got online and I looked at like all the reviews, it's just a, what is it, Doug? Owned by Stella Lantis, which was itself created in a merger between Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Tougeau in 2021. Oh, I didn't know there was a merger. OK, so it's much it's more complex than I thought. Yeah, yeah. But you know, that's it. That's really well, I mean, it's a it's a really, really expensive and our our Rolls Royce. This is something I don't know either. Our Rolls Royce handmade still. Is it like Ferrari and stuff like that? Where it's not a it's not a factory. Every Ferrari is handmade, right? Yeah, there's a there's a tie-in dudes in there. Yeah, yeah, they're just like really hearty. And yeah, they're made to order handmade. So I mean, that's just again, that's so yeah. So it's you're going to talk about like a the quality of it. I wonder if because handmade now means expensive, whereas before it meant like that's everything I wonder if like because AI and stuff that's going to be human made. Yeah, like, hey, the sandwich was made by a human. I do think that I do think like this is like why I think we'll see this kind of what we're going to we're in the middle of this weird time of like, like even like what we talked about before, like shoes now, like knockoff shoes are super popular. My buddies, they were they were in this thread. My these are my childhood best friends. And one of the things that's going right now in conversation is these knockoff pro jerseys for like if you want like a like a like a basketball or NFL authentic jersey, you're paying like 170, 240 bucks for an authentic jersey, you know, these knockoffs are like 20 bucks and they're they're ordered from China or whatever. Like, can you tell? No, that's what my buddies are just like, you could not tell like it's the detail. So my point is that we're in the middle of this this time where the really, really expensive stuff is getting out competed by knockoffs that are like ridiculously cheaper. And I but I what I do think will happen over time is they'll they'll be this resurgence of look at art. Some art is done like so sick, right? Like you see this AI art that's being created and you're like that is badass. So I think we're in the middle of like adopting a lot of that stuff. And then I think we're going to come back to like exactly what you said, it'll be like, well, who made this? Was it did a person like creatively make this? Oh, I'm what's the story behind? Yes. And just and who is it? Who's your your favorite guy? You always talk about the musician that Rick Rubin. Yeah, he talks about how, you know, like real artistry is the the artist not creating something to go viral, not creating something to appease the map. Completely their own interest. Yes, it's there. It's this it's this selfish diary that they're sharing with the world and you like it or you don't like it. Well, this story is so important, which is why some music and art is more valuable after the artist dies half the time. Oh, yeah. You know, and then you hear about the story and the value goes up. Yeah, the story is really what did you see. So you're watching that that show I'm watching right now. Doug, there's a part in there where they talk about a Patek Philippe watch that was worn by I think Eisenhower when he signed some crazy bill and like the value of that. And it's like, it's just a watch because of that because of the moment it's tied to. So yeah, I think we're going to see things like I don't know what's cool about AI and the ability for us to copycat and these like fake shoes, fake things like that is it opens up the market for anybody and everybody that wants to have or experience what it's like to have that. But I do think that there will still be this, you know, high end market for it's I mean, it's already a hundred. I agree with you a hundred percent. We already have evidence of that. Like it used to be if you were poor, you had horses. And if you were rich, you had cars. Now, if you're rich, you have horses. People, people who own the horses take care of them actually have money. So, so, you know, speaking of that and talking about technology, are you, did you see they came out? I just saw, I think it was Sean Baker shared the report on the they just had a new study on the electric cars. Oh, they produce more that they're the worst for the environment. Yeah. Have you, how much? Okay. So I haven't dived enough. Okay. I want you to dive into it. You're better at reading studies and stuff than I am. And because it's so hard to tell like what it's a bunch of propaganda war on both sides. So it's, it's hard to sift through that and go like, okay, how much of this is like truth and how much of it is propaganda? So it's interesting to think about too, because one thing I know I was listening, I think it was, it was a former CIA or FBI agent that was on like Joe Rogan. He was talking about, you know, like lithium and cobalt. Oh, how's mine? And who owns the majority of those around the world? And it's China and China completely like monopolizing all of these mines to the point where if we're shifting in this direction, it goes right into their favor economically and where we're basically handing over like an entire industry to make them a power house even more. So it was just an interesting thought. Isn't that the same too? So the propaganda wise, I'm sure that plays into. Yeah. 80% of the cobalt output is owned by China. Well, then you add into what they're doing power wise right too. Like they're the only ones that are pushing the nuclear right now, right? Nuclear is, I don't, I mean, if somebody says that they care about the environment and they don't support their, they don't understand. Yeah, but back to Justin's point. I mean, if we're, it's, it's so, it's, it's so much better economically that if they, it's like a race right now. And if we don't, we're going to get destroyed, right? Isn't that what's happening? Like if they get to a point where they have enough of these nuclear reactors that are producing energy, they'll supply energy for the entire world and we'll have to buy from them because buying from them will still be cheaper than us producing our, ourself. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Doug, if you could look up like what actually powers to power stations, you know what I'm saying? When you go to charge up, I believe it's still like energy plants, still cold. Like, yeah, we're still burning fuel to produce electric charge for people to charge their cars with. So what's, what are we doing? Speaking of energy, uh, okay. So I'm excited that we are going to mention Legion today because few, usually when we work with a company that sends us a new supplement, either a, we're not that excited about the new supplement or be one or two of us is excited about the supplement. But rarely is it where they send us a bunch of bottles and we all take them. And are you talking about Lunar? Yeah. Bro, I, and everybody is, that has to be one of the most effective supplements for sleep ever. I've ever. Yeah. I, I, I definitely have received some of the benefit. I went from like four down to two. And then I swear you could find like your sweet spot. Doug says he does one tablet. Yeah. Is that all you're taking? I just do two. Just one. Yeah. I don't. So maybe I should back off the four because I take four and it's like a coma. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine. You wake up too much for me. No, no. I should, I, yeah, I should explain that too. It's like I fall in a sleep, like I'm going to go and for me, I say that because I've, you guys all know, I get up to pee two or three times. That's been now like, like if I take that might one time get up, which is why. So here's what's weird. Doug, maybe pull up the supplement. I looked at the ingredients and they're all legit ingredients that will help with relaxation and sleep. Okay. But when I first looked at the ingredients, there wasn't, and this is like, of course, shame on me. Right. There was no like, whoa, new discovered herb or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I'm familiar with these, you know, we'll see what happens. And then you take it and it works so effectively improves the quality of your sleep. I know you guys are measuring your quality through your rings or whatever. This, what this shows me is how much other supplement companies lie because they'll say they have certain ingredients or certain amounts, but they don't work the same. Yeah, you know, the effects. We know Mike and Mike is very, he's a super stickler when it comes to, if it says it's got 500 milligrams, it has 500 milligrams. If it says it has this, it has that. Doug, I can't see because the screen is. Yeah, it's hard to see because it's small, but it's glycine, theanine, GABA, melatonin. Nothing that you would hear that spectacular. Maybe those solids because I don't know if I've ever taken a supplement with that blend of those things. And I know how the anine makes me. I like the way it makes me feel. I've thoroughly glycine is a good one. Glycine also. Yeah, I don't I don't know if I've ever taken that bite something like that. And we I know we've had GABA and it before. It's an inhibitory neurotransmitter so kind of like chills out the brain. And then the melatonin dose is really low. So 500 micrograms. Yeah, everybody takes way too much melatonin and disrupt their own melatonin production. And you know this because you'll wake up in the middle night when it wears off. Would that be considered a micro dose of melatonin? Yeah, or appropriate dose, but compared to most melatonin supplements will have three grams, five grams. Yeah. Yeah, this is half of a gram, right? 500. No, sorry. Milligrams. Sorry. This is half of a milligram. Most companies are three milligrams or five. Three to five. That's kind of grams, milligrams, sorry. Yeah, three to five milligrams is the typical dose that you would get in like your regular over the counter. So, so yeah, no, it's been interesting. So no, there's no concern because it's it's a micro dose of the melatonin that it'll interrupt your melatonin production. Yeah. Far less of a concern at that dose. So I did it for a while because it was so effective. But now what I'm trying to do is like intermittently use it, right? Like I think I went almost, I think two weeks without missing a day because I was just like, no way. Let's see what it works again. I was like, OK, 14 days in a row of this thing. This stuff works for sure. And it's a chewable tablet, which I thought that's why I so I thought why make it a tablet? Who cares? Swallow pills that we don't drink water right before you go to bed. That's why I love it. There's one of the things. One of the things that I OK, I swear by mellow, right? So mellow has been and which is the magnesium is what I've needed, right? So that's been the product that I always talk about for sleep. The one drawback is when I forget to do it like an hour or two before bed and I do it and I'm so I'm drinking. Yeah, then I'm drinking that thing of water to get it down. And then that's just adding to my problem of having to pee all the time. So I do love that this is a chewable tablet. In fact, if our partners over at Net are listening to this, if you can make mellow into a chewable, that would I think a chewable tablet for sleep aid, it makes perfect sense, period, because of the water. Yeah, well, because I mean, I guess if you're not like me, because I don't drink a lot of water, but any water, like, like, yeah, I have to go pee. And it's the it's this weird thing. So funny because I was talking to my cousin about this. And I've actually never heard anybody else communicate it. And it's like he describes it exactly the same way that I feel. It's like it's so annoying that it's not like I get up and I'm like, oh, I'm having to pee so much because I drink so much water. It's like just the feeling you have to pee a little bit keeps you away keeps me away. And I have to go to the bathroom and get out even a little bit that it is, which is so annoying. It's not like it's always been like that since you were kid. Yeah. For am I? I know your uncle talks about it. My cousin, my uncle, all weird. Yeah, all you guys should get like actually have your bladder scan. I'd wonder if you actually do have a small bladder. I know you say that. I don't know, but it's so it's so annoying that that happens. And so, yes, the chewable lunar legion like Mike hit it out the park. Speaking of supplements. So one of the most popular supplements that we've talked about from Organifi are their Shilajit chewables, right? And so and it's just they're selling they're selling them out like crazy. So I pulled up this is medical news today. So just for people who are like, oh, you know, Shilajit what is it? Whatever. This is a medical news today article and it's listing benefits from Shilajit that are studied that are shown in studies. So it's good for Alzheimer's. So it's good for cognitive performance. It seems to show that slow down the aging process when they measure it molecularly. Don't know what that means necessarily, but positive helps with anemia, antiviral, chronic fatigue. So people with chronic fatigue syndrome seem to do better. Altitude sickness, liver cancer, heart health, obesity, and then this one male fertility and testosterone, which that's got a big that's a big impact. Yeah, yeah, a wide range of benefits. It's a weird compound. It is literally like the like plant matter that's been, you know, underground for thousands and thousands and thousands years nutrients comes out like black ooze. What is it? So what is it? It's not. Is it a fungus? Is it like is it like a biomass? It's broken down. It's like topsoil kind of. It's it looks like if you look at a picture, it looks like tar. It looks black and whatever. It's high in a fulvic acid and other nutrients. I think there's something else we haven't identified because it's been used as a supplement for a long time. I know it's like how does that happen? Like like mountain goat piss or something in there? Well, people were desperate. People were desperate back in the day, like there was always that one guy that's like, I'll try that. Let's see what. Hey, let's let's give it a try. He didn't know. He not only did not die, but what's what's interesting to me, too, is though, like, it's not. I mean, and this is all supplement. It's not like it's very. It's not like you see it. You take it as just profound, like instant thing. It's like you would have to like, I'm going to try this for a while and see if I notice these effects from it. It's like, that's weird to me. It's it's like I put in the category of because there's herbs that do certain things where I think it's more like a multivitam in the sense that the reason why it benefits all those things is I think that there's some potential deficiencies that it may be feeling is what I think. The same. It's it's really like, I think, especially on the mineral side of things, I think that we just don't get that because like a lot of the plants don't even have can't pull from that anymore because of the way that we farm. Yeah, that makes the most sense. I got I so since we're talking about studies, I read the most interesting, I think, obvious study when you think about it. But they took a bunch. They pulled a bunch of college aged and middle aged men. And the it was a bunch of questions to see how the personality is, how they viewed women relationships. And then at the end, it was essentially like, would you have sex with the sex robot? Here's the connection that they found, which now makes a lot of what's when I say it'll make a lot of sense. Well, let me ask you guys this. What kind of guys are most likely to want to have sex or that would have sex with the sex robot? Well, what kind of guy? What do you mean by what kind of guys? Well, what kind of are we just you're kind of getting there? Like what kind of personality? What kind of, you know, I mean, somebody who's insecure and isolated and like on the computer and doesn't really like social interaction. Yeah. I mean, this is the connection they made where the men that had the most negative views towards women were the most likely to want to have sex with the sex robot. That makes sense too. Yeah. Oh my God. Sad. Creepy. Isn't that sad? Yeah, I'm trying. You know, would you? Would you have sex with a robot? No, you wouldn't even try it just to see. No, I mean, if you're talking to a 14 year old me, I mean, you could ask me if I had sex with a couch. And I probably would say yes. That's what I'm saying. But like 45 year old me? No, I wouldn't do. No, I mean, how many days would it take? Yeah, I don't think I draw this out. Yeah, let's see how long it lasts. I don't know how long I could last. I don't, yeah, I don't think even if they get to the point where they make them like so real human like, I don't think that would make me less likely, by the way, because I'd be creeped out. You know, if it looked like a human and it was freaked me out, wouldn't have sex with it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I don't think I could because I mean, I was I had friends, right? That can do the, you know, what do you what's I'm looking for a politically correct word and I'm going to get fucking real blood all over. I mean, what's it? What's the politically correct word for a whorehouse? What is the Constitution? A brothel, a brothel. Thank you, Doug. I knew there was sex worker. Yeah, whatever. You know what I mean, right? Whorehouse. So yeah, I still said the word just because you asked for the political pressure doesn't mean you didn't say that I was trying to find it. Couldn't find it. So you just get in the real one. So I don't think it was real term. Yeah. I mean, I have friends that I have I've been with have been to places like this before and they they have no problem. I and I never could like even like being young, young guy, single, because you know that they don't actually like you. Yeah, so I couldn't even I couldn't even get aroused in a situation in a moment like that. So I definitely don't think that the most amazing robot could ever make that word for me, which I've always tried to like indistinguishable, right? Well, I always like what made me like evaluate that is like what what is it about me that's different than my friends that could do that? Like what or what's different about them than me? That why that I mean, they that's pure the connection. Yeah. And that's pure objectification, right? They're objectifying the people like to the they can disassociate. Yeah. And they can just like, you know, yeah, if you will. Yeah, I mean, they there was like, like real enjoyment though from it's not. I don't feel like they were going there. Like is that makes me feel like you would you would go when it's just like, you know, you're going it's like it's something I need to do. I just need to go here and do this where it's like, they're excited like getting good to go there and the trip because I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just like, I'm not feeling this moment at all. You know that they don't really want to be there. You're paying them. You know that they've just been with whoever. Yeah. And that's and because of all that I it doesn't it doesn't turn me on. And I don't care how beautiful the woman is or not. It's it's not it's not attractive for me or it doesn't get me aroused. So I can't imagine a you got to be kind of like a pirate. An artificial robot. What I definitely know those are the ones you know, back in the day in history, right? Oh, because they're on a ship. Yeah. Forever. Sea manatee. Hmm. Yeah, exactly. They get a little horny up there at sea for a while. Well, there's got to be something right about your your character that that allows you to be able to disconnect and do that. Like it's total objectification, man. It's it's I don't know. It's wild. But the robot thing is interesting because at some point, like men and women are going to be presented with this option. And I imagine it's going to be there's going to be this conversation. What's going to be like, oh, I, you know, oh, I like my robot better than a man because a man is this and he doesn't listen to me and he doesn't whatever. And this one just, you know, or I like my robot girl because she serves me. She does whatever I want. She's never mad at me or whatever. So they're much better. This is going to be a weird conversation potentially or situation. I mean, I believe it. I believe it'll happen, though. I think that'll be the next quote unquote human rights argument. That's what I think. I think they're going to start. Oh, well, this this robot has a right to marry. I've seen that Black Mirror episode. Yeah, I know. Thank you. It's going to get weird. Yeah, I got the I got the shout out today. In fact, I'll save this shout out, Doug, for the next one so you don't forget because you already haven't written out and I'll give you the shout out on the show that I referenced because I haven't we haven't referenced like a good show. Recently found gentlemen on Netflix is a guy Richie film. So if you like to his style, so good. I haven't I don't think I've got into a good Netflix. Netflix is not my favorite streaming service of all the streaming services as far as the quality, right? We I've referenced them as the junk food of streaming service, right? But I definitely think that this is was well done. So if you guys haven't checked that out, I know Doug started it. You guys haven't started watching it yet. Yeah, check out gentlemen on on Netflix. Hey, in today's episode, you heard us talking about Terzepetide and some aglutide. These are the GLP one agonists that you've probably read about in the news. Otherwise known brand names we go V ozempic super effective peptides for weight loss. It's groundbreaking stuff. Anyway, we work with doctors. They work with GLP one agonists. They also work with other peptides and they work with hormone therapy. If you'd like a referral, if you'd like a prescription or learn more, go to mp hormones dot com. All right, back to the show. First question is from Bree Strong. What is the best exercise to get rid of mom pooch? OK, well, first, let's define that. So this I'm assuming is not just extra body fat in the midsection because that would be getting leaner. Right. When people say mom pooch and I've had a lot of clients who've referred to this. In fact, I remember one woman in particular. She had three kids hired me. We trained. We worked out together and she got really fit. She got really fit and lean. And she said, you know, it's really weird stuff. She goes, my lower midsection kind of poaches out and it was never like that before before I had kids. When I was an athlete, similar leanness, I didn't have that kind of pooch. This I was an early. This is back in the day when I was kind of just getting started. And so I looked at the muscles involved with pulling in the midsection and it really became clear to me. So when you when you have a child, there are muscles that surround the core that the transverse abdominis is the main one that hold everything in second. So when you suck in your stomach, that's the muscle you're contracting. Well, when you have a child, that muscle has to stretch an atrophy in order to make room. After you have the baby, if you don't specifically target and strengthen that muscle, it remains or it will remain somewhat atrophied. So you could work your abs, your obliques, but not really develop the TVA back to where it was before. And because gravity pushes organs down, it doesn't hold things in like you used to. You'll get this pooch. So the exercises you want to do are ones that strengthen and work the TVA. Yeah, I mean, I have two, two thoughts. One is that I think that is absolutely true because I actually seen this even on my own physique. Obviously, I didn't carry a kid and have that. But it was just a burrito. A little Joey pouch. This is this was something that I remember getting ready for my first show. It was before I even decided to get on stage. It was when I was like kind of prepping to see what it would look like to do my first like real hard cut. And I got down to sub 7% body fat. And even that lean, I'm like, you're pretty shredded at 7% body fat. I still had this like pooch. Like extra body fat. Yeah, extra body fat that was just stubborn. And what I realized was I had to go back to a reverse diet, bulk up, add some calories in the diet again. But staying lean, obviously I put on a little bit of body fat but it stayed under 10% but put on muscle, bulked up and then came back down again, cut really hard, got sub 7% again. Then a little bit of it went away. And I did that about two or three times before I felt like it went away completely. You're referring to the stubborn body fat. White fat is that stubborn body fat whereas brown is more thermogenic and active and brown fat will burn faster than white fat. There's things you could do to convert white to brown. I don't know how much of an effect it has but things like subverging yourself in cold water, strength training and then I think getting yourself down to a certain point. I think then once you get rid of it it doesn't come back in the same way. Yeah, it just, I mean it eventually does like because I carry more body fat now it's there again but once I did that and as long as I kept my calories in check and I was strength training consistently then it maintained staying lean there but I did notice that. So I think the combination of both working on TVA core exercises the draw and maneuver, the vacuum pose those are great exercises to strengthen the muscle to pull it back in. And then also understanding that if there is some body fat still there and it's not just atrophied muscle that and it's just stubborn body fat as you continue to get leaner, reverse diet get leaner again, reverse diet leaner again it eventually will go to. By the way like again drawing back to that story I remember when I learned about the TVA then I said okay we can get on hands and knees and I want you to draw your belly button in towards your spine like you're trying to suck in your stomach do it as hard as you can. So I did this exercise with her. Now keep in mind at this point she was fit we'd done core exercises you know abs are good obliques are good. She couldn't even connect. She had trouble connecting to drawing in. She would draw in just a little bit I'm like you can't draw in anymore she goes no and I'm like light bulb like okay this is the issue and then through practice she was able to draw in more and more and then it did it shrunk her waist I think it came down like a quarter or half an inch just from strengthening that muscle. Next question is from Erin MLT I'm experiencing pain under my left clavicle after tricep dips what am I doing wrong? This is sounds like a chromio clavicular joint pain right? AC joint is typically what's happening. Shoulder mobility, stability and shortening the range of motion and slowly working on a larger range of motion but going with less resistance. If you have AC joint pain and you push it too hard with this exercise it's not gonna be good. It's gonna backfire yeah and I've had a lot of clients that have shoulder mobility limitations that try to dip and they really feel the pain and restriction there. So it's definitely something like maybe that should be like an entire focus is really to like open up range of motion and strength there with a lot of mobility drills before really like diving too much into dips. Do you think because there's a discrepancy from left to right for this person that they would obviously see this in like our zone one test? Oh yeah, good idea. So this I mean again this is stressing why like everybody that listens to this podcast if you go through any of our major programs Prime is a program that you all should it highlights if you were to hire me as a trainer the first thing that I would do is Prime I would do a full assessment on you to look for these types of things. If I was to do a zone one zone two or zone three test and I see a major discrepancy left from your left to your right on your shoulder and what I mean by that is like so this person I'm guessing if they were to do our Prime pro zone you would see the left the right you would see when they go to get themselves in that zone one test that one side's probably gonna be off the wall significantly more the other side and then it's very obvious when we go in to do an exercise like a dip that the reason why you're feeling that is due to your shoulder mobility so it's gonna it's gonna show up on that left side in that test and then it will work it'll find its way into issues into different movements. The way that I when I was younger got myself to be able to do really deep dips early on was I use the weight assisted dip machine and put enough assistance to where I could do a deep dip without pain or without too much struggle and I practiced in there and slowly added less assistance less assistance and it got me to be able to do the full dip the other way to do it like and this is actually still to this day how I can go cold into really deep dips I'll walk over to the dip bar and actually standing up right without my feet elevated and get put myself stretch there in that position and then hold an isometric position right there so I get really connect to the really deep position and then I come out of that versus what most people do is they jump up third at the top and they start at the top and they come down into the position I actually get myself into the deepest position I wanna go I get and connected in the isometric position that's kind of how I warm up and then I go into the exercise from there that really really will help but nonetheless back to my original point to the audience that if you're running any of our programs you should also be have prime it should compliment anything that you're doing and should go through that so that when you run into these issues you have a reference to go back and be like get a dressy can't ignore yeah and in there like if you fail on the zone one there's movements there's shoulder mobility movements that will improve that and what's awesome is if that's the reason which is probably what it is you go do those exercises that we have in there those priming movements before you do dip and you should do it first time see feel a difference it may not eliminate it completely but it should already start to move in the positive direction of how you feel from that and that's your right away your side is like that's the problem that's the root cause I need to address this. Next question is from Meg's daily wellness you mentioned in a previous episode that volume should be higher when bulking so what rep range is best to train in during a bulk is one more beneficial than the other increasing weight versus increasing reps I think you need to clarify should I don't think you said should but I think the comment was you can yes yes when you're bulking and you have a lot of calories that's when you can add more volume to your training with a lower risk of overclocking yes your point of that to make this clear to the audience was not that you should increase volume for sure just cause you're in a bulk it's that if you were going to increase volume you're more likely to be able to handle it but you very well could be not in a bulk already overtraining your volume and then you go into a bulk just cause you're having a few hundred more calories you go too much volume so you can still do too much volume 100% yes especially in volumes you go to for the way you train all the time so to interrupt that and do something you know with less reps and you know like crank the intensity a bit you know might be like the perfect shift right now as far as rep ranges are concerned like the best the rep range is going to give you the best results in that especially in that initial five to six week period is a new rep range regardless if you want to bulk if you want to cut maintain whatever it's that new rep range now that all being said okay if all of that is equal and you're starting out let's say you're starting out let's just say all rep ranges would pose that same initial you know like a novelty signal to your body then I think higher reps are probably better in a bulk and lower reps are probably better in a cut mainly because of the volume issue which we talked about earlier but I do want to be clear it's not like this massive effect it's not like you go from now unless you're like you're super low and deficient in calories but the difference between a good appropriate cut in a bulk in terms of volume is not like you add 50% more volume to your training I have a different way to communicate this question right so the back have this question is is one more beneficial than the other increasing weight versus increasing reps I would push you in the direction of whichever one of those two is more novel for you meaning that there tends to be two types there tends to be a division between the type of person that you are you're normally one or the other and I'll use Justin and I as an example of this if Justin and I are going after our workouts this is just typically doesn't mean that all the time but typically I'm the guy that would lean towards more volume more reps he would be the guy to go add more weight to the bar so if you're asking yourself what should you do in this situation doing the opposite is going to yield probably the most return for you so because Justin knows that he's the guy that likes to push weight and push strength more than he likes to add a bunch more of reps and exercises to his routine and he's like man I'm trying to get changed I'm trying to see change in my body this is maybe a time I should probably go the volume same and the opposite is true for me I'm typically the guy's like I'll just do a superset or I'll add an extra set or some more reps where it's like you know what let's challenge myself weight wise let's add more weight to the bar so ask yourself which one are you more likely to probably do and then go the opposite direction because the novel stimulus in the bulk will probably yield more gains for you Next question is from Ben Melton coach how important is it to correct things like posture muscle imbalances and core strength before adding strength training or can they be done alongside each other I'm going to change the question because it's posing the question either way that is actually presenting in accurate information here's what the question should say how important is it to correct things like posture muscle imbalances and core strength before trying to add more weight to the bar just keep getting stronger because correcting posture muscle imbalances and core strength is strength training it's all strength training so if I'm trying to work on your posture if I'm trying to work on a muscle imbalance I use strength training to do that now how important is it that you correct those things before you just add weight to the bar imperative it's imperative because if you add load to your body without correcting those things you will strengthen those imbalances if you have this imbalance between your right shoulder and left shoulder where your right shoulder hikes up every time you do a row and you just don't forget I'm not going to correct I'm just going to add weight to the bar you're going to make that problem stronger it's going to be harder to correct and you're going to present yourself with potentially worse problems so like trainers know this good trainers know this you don't add weight to the bar if there's an imbalance you fix that first that's always first yeah there's nothing to add to that I mean that's literally like that's exactly how you address maybe the add to that is like what are some of the ways you do that like switching over to unilateral movements doing corrective work right because again to your point all of it strength training so just because I switch over to unilateral work I'm still strength training I'm just now more concerned that I want to keep the left and the right side equal you know what I think about do you remember that DEXA scan we got from that listener who followed map symmetry so when you here's the and here's the selling point and I'm going to sell everybody on why they need to do this because I know people listening me if I was a kid I'd be like whatever I don't care I just want to gain muscle all right this young woman was already well trained so she was young woman already strong already fit built she followed map symmetry she got a DEXA scan before and after and what she saw in the DEXA scan was I don't remember what side it was but her left side was a little bit smaller than her right in terms of body mass and every nobody's perfect nobody has exact 100% the same but she had a discrepancy between your left and her right side she followed map symmetry gained three pounds of muscle which for her was a big deal because she'd been working out for a while and it all went to the areas that she needed it and now would she have built that muscle had she not focused on correcting that discrepancy my argument would be no or maybe she would have but she would just have created a greater a greater discrepancy right so now the point of this is that's all strength training so it's not like you're like foregoing building muscle and changing your body because you're working on imbalances it is part of it well I also want to make the point because you guys kind of brought up mobility too it's like where the discrepancy lies a lot of times you don't you don't ever really focus on certain ranges of motion and you have to treat that like you're a beginner in like certain angles you're probably very strong and proficient up to a certain degree but then you know anything further than that mobility is strength training you're connecting your recruiting muscles to be able to support and provide you with a way to be stronger in that movement but you have to learn it all it's almost like you're learning it from scratch if you haven't really focused on that and so that's why like mobility it looks like it's just stretching but you're literally building up strength from a safe you know body weight perspective then we start slowly adding load and so it's a gradual process but you can get to the point where you know it's supporting your major muscles and you're just about as strong in new ranges of motion which builds up your entire body mass this is why people who are experienced who've done this before will tell you like they went lighter got better range of motion built more muscle yep so you are not sacrificing progress for this this is how you progress look if you're a hard gainer if you have a tough time building muscle gaining weight just can't seem to figure out how to pack on the mass check out our free hard gainer guide go to mindpumpfree.com you can also find us all on social media Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin I'm on Instagram at Mind Pump DeStefano and Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam