 Good evening. Good afternoon. Some of you folks who are either in the other side of the world Whether you are in South Africa UK wherever you are. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. I hope you all are doing well I hope you all are as excited as I am There are a few people and we know the Bible says that there are none good No, not one but when we say that this guy is legitimately a good guy Guys, you know, I'm talking about already. You've seen the thumbnail. I've talked about it earlier This gentleman is one of the good guys even if let's say let's say you happen to even Differ a little bit on some doctrinal issues. You will not come away From watching or listening to Justin Peters thinking that he's anything but a good Classy gentleman and so I want to bring on Justin guys You all know I've been trying to do this for some time and so Justin, how are you doing my friend? Cory I'm doing very very well. How are you doing today? I'm on top of the world I'm on top of the world. I am I was looking at some old-school Christmas gifts slinkies and viewmasters and things like that just reminisce. I was a little boy and So I haven't done much this week. And so I'm getting a lot of rest. So My grandchildren are well, I got one one here But they're doing well as the people in the in the the chats. They are waiting to see to hear from you Here's what Dina. She said that it's been listening to you since 2009 I know there have been others have been listening to you for even longer. So It is just an awesome And an honor to even have you here But the last guy that was here the last guest we had here I told you was a was a Hebrew Israelite. So big jump up big difference, right? Yeah, I hope it'll you'll get a little bit different flavor from today than the Hebrew Israelite So guys, let me know give me a thumbs up if you can hear me or if you can hear Justin Well, if not, let me know while we're going but I want to ask by the way one thing that I did not know at first I Saw the video but later, but my question was who is that? That's a that's an awesome statement I wish I had thought of it clouds without water It's one of those things that I wish I could have came up with anyway But one of the things that I want to get out first is for anyone that may not know a lot about you What all do you do Justin? Yeah, thank you Corey. So I've kind of been theologically typecast in a sense In that when most people think of me they automatically think of clouds without water Which is the title that I give to my seminar that deals with the word of faith movement. You have stylic reformation health wealth name and claim at prosperity gospel and Clouds without water is a reference in the book of Jude verse 12 Jude refers to false teachers in number of different ways one of which is clouds without water So that's what people most often associate me with but it's not at all my only interest I have a number of other seminars that I do I have kind of like many seminars I have one on biblical hermeneutics how to write reinterpret scripture. I have one on Roman Catholicism I have one on Children in conversion when is it wise to baptize your child? just because your child has made a profession of faith or Intellectual ascent to some basic gospel facts is not necessarily mean that conversion has actually taken place in the life of your child So how do you what are the things to look for in the life of your child? So, you know, it's You're you can be as sure as you can that it's wise to Baptize your child. So I have some other things but my first commitment my first love is Preaching expository preaching. That's what I love to do. And so I always jump at the chance to to do that any opportunity I have to do it And then I do have a fair amount of those opportunities, but people you know, they most Quickly think of clouds in that water when they think of me, but it's not my only interest. It's like a a professional Basketball player or football player if they're if they do something Let's say this guy plays basketball and he can he can shoot the ball really well But he might be the best at best at dunk and he had some amazing dunk They'll know him for that but he's he's leading the league in three-point shooting something like that So I wanted to ask that question because I knew and I've heard of other things that you have done I've seen videos where you weren't talking about any false teach you anything like that. And so I Asked that question because too many people are thinking that because they're seeing more and more of these Videos calling out or denouncing false teachings and false teachers that is that all is that all we're doing and My upper tort is well the more false teaching the more you're gonna have Godly man or sound teachers to rebuke that and so I Wanted people to know that no this isn't what you will that you do Someone say today that is that all that you do Corey. I said, well, just look at the channel There's over 200 videos and less than about 12 13 14 percent of those deal with Calling out someone's bad behavior of bad teaching and three of those include me calling me out so I just wanted to put that out but Why do you think though because we're we'll talk about a lot of different things and we'll deal with a lot of The things dealing with false teachers When someone says that we ought to just lead them along let God handle them just pray for them Is that true? Should we do that? How would you respond to that? Well, I would say certainly we should pray for them and I do pray for Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland and Jesse to plan us and Creflo dollar and all those other guys Joel or Steve I Can't say that I do it every day, but I do pray for them because I would love nothing more Corey than to see These men come to repentance. That's what I would I would love Of love to wake up tomorrow morning and see where every single one of them has publicly and definitively and biblically repented and My clowns without water seminar would not even be necessary. I would be thrilled at that But the the fact of the matter is is that just praying for them is is I have to say this carefully because people misunderstand what I'm saying. It's not enough in that Not that there's any lack in power prayer But it's not enough in that that we have multiple multiple multiple clear and direct commands from scripture To expose false teaching to warn people about false prophets false teachers wolves and sheeps Right 26 of the 27 books in the New Testament directly warn about false doctrine and or false teachers Can you say that again 26 of the 27? I'm sorry. What say say that again about how many books from one of false doctrine Okay Yeah, 26 of the 27 books in the New Testament Directly warn about false doctrine and or false teachers only the book of Philemon Has nothing to say about false teaching at least not directly. So 26 of the 27 books in the New Testament do and most of those do so on Multiple multiple occasions. So warning about false doctrine warning about false teachers is a prominent theme in the New Testament. It's all throughout the New Testament. It's an Old Testament as well, but it's all throughout the I mean Roman 16 17 mark those who cause divisions in hindrances contrary to the doctrine which you learn and stay away from them Ephesians 5 11 expose the evil deeds of darkness Titus 1 9 teach sound doctrine and refute those who contradict Second John 9 through 11, I mean on and on and on. There's just so many of these commands and they are commands So warning about false doctrine and false teachers is not an option for us. It's a command given to us by scripture Jesus himself warned many times of wolves and sheep's clothing and told What is it there would be tears among the wheat and so it's a command. That's we must do these things I think it to me it it becomes disheartening where You see people who do certain things or say certain things and we say pray for them But when you call them out as it's though that certain people have more of a problem with the person who is Standing on solid ground calling them out saying listen. No, we're not going to tolerate that But you're not as as as as loud when it comes to the the Benny hens the Todd whites of the world That's the problem. I think that that's that's bathroom is almost as though we are Giving them place and so to me that's that's that's the heart the hard thing To swallow when men and women who say they love the Lord Sometimes we don't act like in terms and what I mean by that is that we don't seem to care about someone Profaming the name of Christ and letting them get away with anything. So I want to ask you this question There are people who are false teachers and then there are teachers who are just teaching who have a false teaching How would you differentiate the two? Or do you? Yes, I do indeed Corrine. That's an excellent question so All all heresy is error But not all error is heresy. Okay all heresy is error, but not all error Is heresy for example you look at the different eschatological viewpoints Premillennial post millennial I'm millennial and then there's divisions within all of those They can't all be right logically. They cannot all be right. So All but one of them is error None of those positions. However is heresy You know the date of the exes was at the 13th century BC or the 15th century BC Well, I obviously can't be both So one of those theories has to be an error, but neither one of those is heresy who wrote the book of Hebrews Some say Paul some say Luke some say maybe even Barnabas All three of those men didn't write the book of Hebrews So whoever you think wrote wrote the book and honestly have no idea, but whoever you think wrote the book You might be wrong on that but you're not in you're not in heresy. Okay, so we have to keep those distinctions in mind there are a number of Secondary tertiary theological issues that we can have differences of opinion with one another and still have fellowship in Christ. I Think John MacArthur and R. C. Sproul Modeled this for us very beautifully These men faithful to the gospel faithful pastors for many many many decades They had different views of eschatology John MacArthur dispensational R. C. Sproul a millennial But they they were compatriots in the gospel. They loved each other. They appreciate each other's churches. So so but when you get to issues like the the doctrine of God the doctrine of Christ your Christology your view of Sin your view of man if you have an inflated view of man Penal substitutionary atonement all of these things if you the pre-existence of Jesus Christ is bodily death bodily resurrection salvation by grace alone Your faithful on Christ alone when you start When you start messing with those issues That gets to the heart of the gospel. Those are primary issues and on those issues. There's no room for debate There's no room for discussion. There's no room for differences on those things Those are non-negotiable Primary issues and so when a person Starts messing with those things and they teach something contrary to sound doctrine on those issues You mark them out as the heretics that they are Let me ask you a question on those lines and we didn't we didn't cover this but it just popped in my mind Let's say a person Has some confusion on a core essential doctrine like The deity of Christ and trying to understand Some people listen guys trigger alert for you guys The trinity to a T word triggers people nowadays What if a person? Believed uses God, but just can't quite figure out. How does this all exist? Is he the father or is he not the father they believe he's God, but they haven't quite figured that out Would that ever in your mind? Yeah, well, he's God with that. Would that ever but he's the father would that ever? Cross over into it that person being a heretic in your eyes Yeah, of course. So, yeah A person cannot be saved unless they believe that Jesus is God now. I suppose a genuine Christian could maybe maybe this person comes from a Oneness Pentecostal background or something like that a modalistic theological background and maybe they have some of those hangovers I would be okay with that as long as once you sit down with them and explain to them Okay, now the Bible teaches even though it doesn't use the word that the Bible teaches Trinitarian theology that Jesus is not the father the father is not the son The son is not the spirit the spirit is not the father You make this distinction that that God is one being in three persons and you showed them that foundational biblical truth from scripture Then you would expect that if they're truly a Christian, they will Bend the need to that they will come to Accept that and and believe it now having that that having been said uh, I do not expect a Uh, a Christian to fully understand the trinity Okay Look, I believe in the trinity it is a hill on which I will die I'll follow my sword theologically speaking Or even physically speaking if need be to defend the doctrine of the trinity. Do I fully understand that? No, my finite mind my little sin stricken pea brain finite mind cannot fully grasp One being Three persons one god and three persons each of whom each person is fully god I can't conceive of that in my mind. I can't fully understand that because my mind is falling. It's finite. God is infinite But just because I can't fully understand it doesn't mean I don't believe it I do believe it with every fiber of my being. Why do I believe that because that's what the bible teaches so Uh, I would have to say that is I don't expect anyone to fully understand it because I don't think any of us Can we're trying to as finite beings understand things that are infinite But we do believe we do believe them as I said, um I can't remember when I said this it might have been the day before yesterday I don't think I did a video yesterday As a matter of fact, I know I didn't do a video yesterday I must have been day before yesterday And someone had the same issue and I said, listen, I don't know if anyone First of all, no one who's ever come to christ has ever fully understood the trinity No one and even the greatest scholars we still have a hard time kind of wreck because it's he's not us And so trying to explain someone who is not like us is difficult to try to put god in the words is difficult But as you say and I use I use example of a black hole We don't fully we have an idea What we think might be going on there, but we don't know we've never been there And so there's some things even about it that we don't fully understand But because we don't understand it and we can't fully explain it It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist that it's not true. And so the same thing with that and I believe that a person Who has the spirit in him? Though he might be confused as to how these things work I believe the spirit ultimately is going to leave that person into accepting that truth And I want to go to a to a pastor real quick John 8 24 One of us the other day for some of the some of you guys who may not have been here But jesus says I told you That you would die in your sins for unless you believe that I am he You will die in your sins And granted not every time that the scriptures using greek ago ma means or references God but clearly in this case It's just it it's just undeniable and and you just find a second or third year or any greek scholar or Gramarian they'll tell you that is what is in play here. And so At some point in time You're going to have to wrap your head around the fact that he is god whether you like it or not You know what? I didn't like the fact that that he sent or he allowed the devil to come here I don't like the fact that god even created the devil. What's up with that god? I don't but guess what i'm not god and I don't get to second guess him or I suddenly get to second guess who he is He is who he is whether I like it or not And I better get my head around the fact that jesus is god If you want to give a different term to it, I don't care, but you better believe that so That's my take on it. So I've I've I've got a question Whether it be something like the trinity or whether it be tongues or whether it be some some of these people who are Saying or doing some things that are just It's just unbelievable Uh, how They're we're told to test the spirits or test or try the spirits feeling you on your version by the spirits How how do you how do you say we do that? How do we test the spirits? Yes Yeah, so, um, this is an instruction right uh from the apostle john And he said test the spirits because not every spirit is is from god We are to test the spirits the first thing I would say kory Is that we need to understand that testing the spirits when john says spirits he's not referring to At least primarily he's not referring to angels and or demons or disembodied spirits Like that he's actually referring to people. Yeah To individuals. So this is not like, you know, you go into a seance or something You know and you test the spirits to see if the you know, the ghost you're talking to is really your great grandmother or whatever So he's talking about individuals people teachers So we do this in a few different ways When we test the spirits when we test a person Who is preaching teaching god's word We first test their doctrine. That's the first test you test their doctrine. What is their doctrine of man? What is their doctrine of the atonement? What is their doctrine of? You know, do they believe in penal substitutionary atonement? Do they not? Uh, what is what is their christology? Do they believe that jesus is gone? In the flesh bodily crucified bodily race from the dead pre-eternal with the father I mean a pre-eternal co-eternal with the father Uh, do they believe all these things salvation by grace alone through faith along christ or all christ along So you test their doctrine first and if they're if they're teaching a doctrine that contradicts scripture Then you reject them The second test I would say is you test their church involvement A biblically qualified teacher Will be involved in a church Period. Yeah, and it's interesting. Cory that An observation I have made that the loudest Most vociferous and and quite honestly the angriest critics that I have out there and you know social media and youtube The one thing that they all have in common and I just find this absolutely fascinating Is that they're they don't belong to a church. Yeah They've got no church involvement. They've got no accountability. They are theological long rangers out there Like a bull in a china shop crashing around without you know any idea what he's doing no constraints. So That that is just a fascinating truth to me and And then the third test Look at their life Look at their conduct Paul wrote to timothy. He said take heed. You know Examine be careful about your Doctrine in your life your conduct. It's important not only that we have right doctrine or right theology But it's also important that our conduct matches Our doctrine in our theology Does a person? You know, is he biblically qualified to teach does he meet the qualifications of of an elder? Does he have a is he above approach? Does he have a good reputation with outsiders? Is he hospitable? Is he temperate as he? You know if is he addicted to wine or alcohol if he is he shouldn't be teaching He shouldn't be preaching the the bible So look at his conduct. Look at how he carries himself So all of those things are involved in testing the spirit. So it's not a I think when most people think of testing the spirits They think oh, I get some Some words that pop into my head and I've got a test to try to see if that's from god or not That's not what that's not what john's talking about. So so it's not My spirit The lord is telling me in my spirit that you are a man of god. It's not that It's not the lord is I feel the lord Confirming in me that you are a man of god or or here's the new one If you don't agree with what I say then it's because you don't have the spirit because people who have the spirit will be able Their spirit will bear witness with my spirit. It's not that Yeah, no, it's it's nothing subjective like that. No, these are these are quite um, clear hard objective truths that we test Yeah, one of the things that um, and I'll never forget this Uh, when I was I was a younger associate pastor And I was how old was I when I had this conversation? Um, I want to say I was probably about 32 33 and Some of you guys will know this Some of you guys don't know this because you might not be you might you may just now be in your 30s or your 20s But I've got this philosophy It seemed to bear it seems to kind of bear out not a hundred percent of time But most 30 year olds because they're no longer 20 year olds Feel as though they are more mature than they really are And you get your 40s you realize all my 30s were wasted on me thinking I knew what I thought I knew and I found out I'm wrong And so in my 30s I would say some things Even if I said the right things they might be emotionally Carried out the wrong way. I may sit them with the wrong Um temperament or what have you but I remember the uh, the senior pastor saying listen You don't get to come up into this pulpit Without being first approved of in terms of how you handle doctrine and things like that because The one thing that he said he never wanted to have to do Which would be embarrassing for me embarrassing for the church potentially embarrassing For the name of christ because somebody might leave And and either leave because of his heresy or what have you he never wanted to apologize for something that that one of The ministers of the pastors said And so he was he was really starting now. He was a professor at dalsy logical seminary. So Doctrine was important to him. And I think what's happened nowadays is Doctrine just not isn't that important people kind of dismiss it as something. Well, it's okay if you do But the more important thing is the spirit is well, obviously we You cannot be a christian without the holy spirit But if you don't if you can't rightly divide as and paul is telling timothy to make sure that these pastors That are training that they that they can understand and and and and Fit themselves in or or court themselves would sound doctrine. If you don't have that then you have jim jones If you don't realize that he was one of the first megachurch pastors in america, you have a jim jones You have a Of any hen you have a creflo dollar and they still have a large following And so I think that's an issue and I don't know that we drum it enough Um There's this tension between should we how how much studying or how studied or how learned it should the pastor be And some folks say well, you know, he didn't need to go to seminary. He didn't need to know this or that and so What would be your take on how? um, how we should determine What a pair obviously we've got first timothy three and titus, but What do you think a church ought to be looking for or even a person who's looking for a church? Uh, I should be looking for in their past in terms of how he's been taught Yeah, of course Okay, so I would I would say a couple of things Paul says in uh first timothy 412 he writes timothy and says let no one despise you for your youth And we think of oh timothy was like in fact, I just did a video on this Timothy was a you know like a teenager. Well when paul wrote that to timothy. This was 15 years after his conversion And um, I think that I get that reference right. Yeah first timothy 412 This was 15 years after his conversion that probably happened when he was 18 19 might maybe even 20 years of age So by this time timothy young timothy is in his early to mid 30s So he's not as young as as what we often imagine him to be um Paul says in first timothy 3 that uh an elder should not be a new convert so that he will not become conceded So A pastor should not be a new convert. Now. What does that mean a new convert? I don't think we can put a time frame on that per se at least At least within reason I mean you wouldn't want somebody that some a man that's converted on a monday Serving as the pastor of a church the next sunday, you know, you I mean that's not even that's not even realistic But I will say this too When you look at some of the churches that paul planted Uh, some of the the men that were converted under his preaching Within two or three years They were serving as elders in those churches in those same churches And so that's you know, it's a pretty short amount of time two or three years So It could be that a man could serve as a pastor Only a few years after his conversion I would be very very careful with that though Because People tended to mature a lot more quickly two thousand years ago than they do now They weren't nearly the distractions plus when you became a christian 2000 years ago, you're signing up for persecution Yes, okay, you're signing up for persecution. And so that tends to kind of You know whittle away the the false converts and the pretenders pretty quickly for the most part And so there was a a faster rate of spiritual maturing maturation back then Don't necessarily look for a date on the calendar, but you do want to see a man who has been tested Who has gone through trials And who is able to teach it's one of the qualifications of an elder able to teach sound doctrine And refute those who contradict so see a man who is able to rightly handle the word of god Whose faith has been tested. He's been through some trials And he has a love for the flock has a love for sound doctrine Meets all of those qualifications and and then you know look for look for that in any pastor slash elder In a church did that kind of answer the question? I feel like I have left it. Oh, no, no, you you did a wonderful job I remember Talking up to to the senior pastor About he said one of the one of the more important things this was when I was a little bit anxious to do more in the church Do more teaching and so forth And he said he told me he said Cory the issue with with you isn't I was I was the youngest of all the associate pastors He said the issue wasn't so much your doctrine wasn't your teaching wasn't your understanding A lot of it has to do with character The type of person that you are also And so Because I was younger That also came out as well, you know, I was maybe more more prone to Be playful and and be you know more defensive about some of the serious serious things And so someone someone mentioned to me about the person that I that I brought up that this person had been in ministry for 30 or 40 years And my my my retort was That matter if you've been in ministry for 30 or 40 years With a misunderstanding you've just been doing it the wrong way for 30 or 40 years And that's no excuse for us to just allow you just well, you know what he's you can't teach no dog new tricks So let's just let him keep doing it. Let's let him keep misleading people and and and I'm using the scriptures and so One of um So what if what if I am um going to a church And the pastor doesn't seem to be Very sound Or what if I've got a family member who has embraced the teachings of a false teacher? What if my pastor's a false teacher or I've embraced a false teacher or I've got a family member or a friend who does Is there a way that we should since since We should alert people about some of these bad doctrines. Is there a way? Um that we should kind of approach these people. Is there something we should say how how would you do it? Yeah, and maybe I'll handle these a little bit separately your friend or family member as opposed to uh, your Potentially your pastor. So with a friend or family member, I would go to them and Speak the truth speak the truth and love per Ephesians 4 15. That's what paul tells us to do speak the truth and love um But I would start with for example, if they're going to a health and wealth church or they're listening to joe A joe hosting kind of a church or a kenneth copeland kind of church or a tea jakes kind of a church Say, you know Your church teaches that it's always God's will to be healed And they'll say well. Yes, of course. It's always God's will to be healed. They're john too, right now Beloved, I pray that in all things you may prosper and be in good health even as your soul prosper So I'll say okay. Well, what do you do with? What do you do with moses? In exes chapter 4 verse 11 who has made man's mouth who makes him dumb or deaf or seeing or blind? Is it not eye the lord? What do you do with? a life who died of a who died Excuse me. Elijah died. Elijah died of an illness second kings 13. He died of a sickness. What do you do with? Job, what do you do with david who said it was good that I was afflicted so that I might learn your statutes What do you do with timothy take a little wine to your stomach and your frequent ailments? What do you do with the apostle paul? Who in galatians chapter 4 verse 13 said and I quote You know that it was because of a bodily illness that I came and preached the gospel to you the first time So here's paul and he was sick He was sick. This is the man who wrote roughly a third to a half of the new testament And he was sick So give them these simple concrete examples in scripture of faithful servants of god Who are sick and they were not healed? And then the ball is in their court. Then they're going to have to make a decision Who am I going to believe? The you know, mr. Prosperity preacher that I've been listening to Or what I see in black and white right in front of me in god's word Yeah, and that's just an easy kind of a simple concrete way quarry to to kind of Take someone's spiritual temperature and see how willing they are To have their theology corrected by scripture And let you know you're going to give Let me issue this I have noticed a certain type of person Who is drawn to or attracted to some of these let's say the word of faith movements Um, why do you think people go to those or listen to those types of preachers? The answer is probably going to be kind of um, hard for some people to stomach For some of these folks quarry for a lot of them They're not saved The vast majority of people who listen to a benning here or a copeland or joelosting or Joyce Meyer For Andrew Walmack or fill in the blank tjakes They're not saved and they they like They they they want to scratch their religious itch, okay? And so they go to these churches, but they don't want sound doctrine. They don't want the real gospel They don't want the gospel that says deny yourself Because the prosperity gospel is the opposite of that the prosperity gospel is indulge yourself Whereas jesus says deny yourself Jesus says take up the cross the prosperity gospel says you can have your best life now I mean the the the message is coming the message coming from these false churches is literally 180 degrees opposite Of what jesus said. Yeah, so um For the vast majority of these folks. They're not saved. They're not converted. They're They just they will not endure sound doctrine as paul says in secutivity. You will not endure sound doctrine but will heep to themselves teachers who tickle the ears and false converts false professors of christ Just want to have their ears tickled. They want to have a jesus They want to have a jesus after their own making, but they do not want the jesus. They do not want the jesus of the bible so That's the that's the sad and stark reality for many of these folks the other Now that hadn't been said some of these folks would be very young Very immature christians. You do have a smattering Of real sheep in some of these false churches But they're very young. They're very immature believers because if they were mature believers They wouldn't be at false churches by definition So the number of mature christians and the word faith new apostolic reformation movement is zero Zero not a few zero Because if they're mature they wouldn't be in these false churches I know i'm sorry go ahead. I noticed thought that um the people What be they saved or not? One of the qualities that you see in some of these churches Or under some of these leaders is they have this similar greed as well either Either a financial greed or or they because It's hard to imagine a person who really wants to get closer to god And and someone is going to get upset when I say this but it's hard to imagine a person who wants to get closer god Listening or following or attending joel hosting church. I don't that just that that makes no sense It's like I want to get from here to new york quickly. And so I walk that doesn't make any sense to me And then you've got I've noticed that there are people who Want to change either where they are they want to change where they are in relationship to god Meaning that they either want to bring god down to their level and make god out to be like them And so if they want um prosperity and happiness they can have it Uh, they they they're like the the cauldron sheets kind of christians I don't know if you remember cauldron sheets the guy who had the no money down real estate seminars Yeah, and people were just buying into it. And so he became a millionaire not because of Him doing the real estate but because people were buying his his product because People wanted to kind of get rich quick thing and now you see people wanting to kind of get get spiritual quick thing or or or what they believe Uh, the benefits of that will bring to you I can have a new car or I can walk and be happy or you know, and so or Not only do they bring themselves bring god down to their level The people like the kenith copelands of the world They think that they can bring themselves up to his level either way it's looking eye to eye with god And it's it's it's blasphemous to think that you you can be anything like him and and how they mangle a romans when When he says clearly, um god who can call those things that are not They'll say well, we can call those things that is not that are not as though they were because we've got the The same spirit that's in him That's the same force of faith is also if we just tap into that then We can do the same thing. So I think a lot of times it's just their bad motives Like you said and what paul said in in a second timothy They have these itching ears. They want they want a god or they want a Jesus of their own making to give them what they want. So i'm sorry, but go ahead and continue. I'm sorry Yeah, no, you're exactly right and I do think that false teachers are in and of themselves part of god's judgment On people that that is part of god's judgment on people and it's basically like, you know, god's saying, okay, you want to Your your greatest desires to be healed of your Handicap Here's any hint. Here's kind of coping your desires to be wealthy Here's copeland duplanus. You you want to have a comfortable life Cousy life or everything is just about you. Here's joel hosting So god gives people what they want to hear That's that's the stark reality of it and and let me circle back around to cori I think another part of your question from a moment ago Oh, what if someone is in a church and they realize that their pastor is teaching some bad doctrine? Yeah, unsound doctor Uh, if if you make that if you come to that realization and it's your pastor And again when we're talking about Bad doctrine, we're not talking about eschatology or you know, these secondary things But if you realize that that your pastor is preaching a different jesus and a different gospel If you realize you're in a prosperity kind of a church or what a faith church or a secret sensitive church Um leave Leave Don't stay And I get emails pre-regularly from people and they'll say well jess and I realize now i'm in a a bad church I've grown and I realize that you know, this is a weak church, but I want to be a source of truth You know, I want to I want to you know, should I stay and be a source of truth to help other people? And I always say nope Don't stay Leave because you're not in a real church if you're if your pastor does not meet the biblical qualifications of an elder If he's not able to teach If he's not able to teach sound doctrine if he's not able to refute those who contradict it If he doesn't meet the biblical qualifications, then you're not in a real church anyway You're in some kind of a social club, but you're not in a church Get out Get out you need to be in a church a biblical church that is led by biblically qualified men If that's another thing if you're in a church as being you know, it's got lady pastors get out You're not in a real church. So get in a real church a biblically A biblical church led by biblically qualified men because it's only there that you can truly Worship and you can truly serve Christ that you're going to be able to grow uh, Cory the church is a congregation a church congregation Is not going to rise to a level of spiritual maturity above that of its leadership It's just not going to do it. Yeah. So if you realize you're a bad church, don't pass go don't collect $200 leave And find you a good church I have um seen us as believers be too passive too nice permitting too many different things and so Guys, I want to I want to play a clip and both of these men have been covered often Or at least adequately by by Justin good old Todd White and Kenneth Copeland and I want to tell you why I'm why I'm showing this and we'll talk about this on the other side of the video Adam Exactly Like god an exact copy of god Adam and jesus Look exactly alike The father said the day you eat of that you shall surely die He won't talk about physically. He's talking about spiritual death. Now. What is spiritual death? spiritual death is to be separated From god who is the source of spiritual life and when jesus made himself obedient unto death He by faith Separated himself from god and by faith received death There he was suffering separated from god spirit soul and body but right in the middle of that when god's word God's word went into the pit of hell and he was Reconnected he was born again if he hadn't been we could never have been In that good news. Whoa I'll tell you what First of all if your pastor acts that way Please but there's a reason why I wanted to show you that clip. I want to show you another clip He's been saying some of these same heretical things for How long how long has he been in ministry? Or I shouldn't say even call it ministry. How long has he been in sales? Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it. He's been in sales for uh, like oh gosh 57 years now I think now i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you guys why i'm showing this After I show this next clip And I have the privilege of introducing one of the amazing fathers And the body of christ actually he's really Special to me and I've just for years and years since I've been saved have just looked at the rock solid ministry of kenneth copeland honestly brother copeland's a wordsmith and uh He is so versed in the word. It's incredible and i'm so thankful to To be able to be in his life. Jesus himself told you to do this. Yes. He did you need to be putting your money in here It it it's proven good ground. I am dangerous. You understand that? I am spiritually lethal brother. I'm so glad you're on our feet. So kenneth copeland has children in the ministry Todd white Well, kenneth copeland Followed if i'm correct. Did he not come out follow after kenneth hagan? And so yes, these false teachers Begat follow other false teachers What would have happened if people did not just dismiss it and just say, you know what? Who am I to judge or it? What if we could have cut these things cut it off what would say nip it in the bud? What if that could have occurred with a kenneth hagan? Or roberts, what if it could have occurred with? um kenneth copeland who who begat who begat Creflo dollar and so forth Because what happens is there are men out there Guys, I know what I what I speak of when I tell you this There are people who see the church see the pulpit as a means of gain I don't care what culture you're in. I don't care if it's a A low-income culture or high-income culture. I don't care white black Hispanic I don't care people see an opportunity In the church and I've seen I've seen so-called preachers so-called pastors who want to come to the church And want to get a position because they it's a stepping stone for them Maybe stepping stone to some ungodly relationship with women in the church Because the bible talks about how these these men creep in and and they lead astray these God's words not mine silly women So there might be that motive there's a financial motive you heard him say I want you guys to put your money into into his ministry Because I've got enough he he needs a jet in a helicopter like me and so Once you see one like roaches, there are more to follow. It's not just one And what we cannot do guys, especially as we see the day getting closer We can't just you know what not my problem Well, it yet is yet is You couldn't you couldn't you how do you get away with talking about my heavenly fives? I don't say at least something I'm not saying going attack the guy and and get like david and get slingshots I mean, you know get your little slingshot and some and some stones, but at least open your mouth and say something No, that's wrong. Well, I think the biggest reason why we don't do so And you correct me if if if you disagree justin is that We don't know the bible ourselves We'll allow some false teachers to say something And gets away with it and make it seem like it's right because we're not reading it ourselves Which might be which might boat Might might go and buff at your point Because if I'm not a christian, why would I read my bible like I should? Yeah, that's exactly right gory. Um, and I think that is the reason a lot of people don't Not only do they not say anything about false teachers, but they don't even care enough Uh, because they're so biblically illiterate. They don't vast majority of them don't even see it They they they could listen to I'll never forget cory. I was in a life way christian bookstore one time This was years ago back when life was still I had their brick and mortar stores but I was um, I was in this life way store And I noticed this lady was looking at a copy of the message by Eugene Peterson, which is just trash and um And uh, I couldn't help myself. I went up to her and I said ma'am I know you didn't ask me, but I know a little bit about this I said if you're looking for a bible, this is the last bible you want to give this is not what you want So we started talking about that And led into a conversation and at one point cory, I'll never forget it She said well, my two favorite preachers are john mccarthur and joel hosting and I'm like Huh Keep running that by me one more time You know, and I mean you couldn't have two more polar opposite preachers, you know, but it just shows you that just stunning stunning lack of Of discernment which comes from a lack of just a biblical illiteracy. Yeah amongst so many professing christians. It's I never cease to be amazed Okay, so what what what do we do then let's say a person says The reason why we say certain things like that. Let's say if I call out and it's happening now And it was gonna happen and it's gonna happen over the next month or two I I called out gino Jennings and I actually I wanted I did not want to the second time But I kind of committed myself and I'm supposed to do it two months ago. I didn't I didn't want to I really didn't because his followers may be Some of the most Biblically illiterate people They take what he says and because he says some truth and so forth because he he makes it with some truth About women dressing a certain way and men behaving a certain way and homosexual Well, we all agree with that even the muslims agree with that But because he says it emphatically and boldly And he has an air of confidence and really arrogance and pride That they they they and it seems like no one they'll say that no one else is doing this. Well, that's not true There are thousands of men all over the country who are saying these things but So since I since I called him out almost like my uh my cups, uh my coats cup over Brian But because you call him out and they aren't adept in handling the scriptures They don't need you know Jennings to to respond They're coming at me with all sorts of vitriol and and and anger And I'm I'm every kind of name in the book. So What's funny is the majority of likes I mean the majority of the either likes or dislikes It's going to be majority likes but the majority of the comments are probably going to be negative comments, right? And so Yeah, what I have found is is they'll say things like A geno Jennings or this guy or that guy or that guy. They've got all they've got all these powers I've seen I've seen so and so cast out a demon So who are you to say that he didn't have the power of god? Now i'm curious as to how you would respond if someone says Oh, I don't know, uh, Todd white cast out a demon or joe joe bob Our neighborhood apostle. Uh, he's casting out demons every night. How would how would you how would you respond to that? Yeah, I I would say a couple things. Um One we need to remember that demons themselves do have some power. They can counterfeit Signs and wonders to a point When we look in the old testament exodus, right? Moses and Aaron were before the egyptian court and they were performing signs right there in front of Pharaoh But the egyptian magicians up to a point anyway could do the same thing Uh, once they got to a certain level then they they couldn't they had to tap out It's okay. This this is above our bakery. We can't do this anymore So but there is there they do have some ability to counterfeit signs and wonders. That's one thing The second thing and this is the vast vast majority of cases. Cory They're frauds These are frauds. They are tricks They're parlor tricks. They're not real. They're not even they're not even Demonic signs and wonders. They're just parlor tricks. In fact, we're talking about exorcisms and deliverance ministries um The lord bob larson, is that his name the guy bob larson. Yeah, bob larson that goes around Casting demons out of people and now there's a new woman. Her name is kathryn crick K. R. I. C. K. Have you seen her? Yeah. Oh, yeah. She wanted she she commands sickness to to leave and Yeah, yeah, she commands sickness to leave and she casts demons out of people Um, and she's kind of uh relative on you, but she's getting quite a following. It's fascinating I think it's chris rosebro that did uh an expose a video on her you can look at some of her videos The same people that she is casting a demon out of in one video shows up in another video Different time different place But it's the same person. Yeah And This same person the same woman shows up in bob larson videos getting demons cast out of her Wait a second. Bob larson is still he's bob larson is still going at it Still don't still doing this thing. Yep Still doing this thing These are actors. They're literally actors It's come it's it's a complete Farce it's it's complete. It's a show. It's a stage There's nothing real about it. Nothing real. It's as fake as a three dollar bill. I saw something and i'm gonna i'm gonna uh Mention someone in the chest, but Someone said to me about what this person's cast out demons And of course the church that I used to belong to at first was a was a pinnacle church I'll never forget there's one time this this uh young lady who had supposedly had demons cast out of her I remember how she was before the Exorcism and how she was afterwards Couldn't tell any difference. She Imagine that it was exactly the same her her demeanor now the few days afterwards, you know, she was a little calm Soon to be more mature, but after a while the same old person showed up so but and that's all I Why can't we see I want to see these These demons and then where do they go and but like you said and that's something that we don't think about is that These demons satan still has power. It's not like he's just been you know, just just completely just Stripped up because if that were the case We wouldn't be in the to the state that we are to the degree that we are But I want to comment on this person Lance he says why why don't gino and and peters debate? I think gino would eat peters up and spit him out Let me just say this I don't think there are many people in this chat that gino would be able to Debate and spit out why because gino didn't debate and I now this is me Remember I said a few weeks ago that uh when justin peters rebukes you you feel Okay, about yourself That's not me guys. Um, I am going to tell you this about gino and his followers. You don't read the bible Do you know that gino Jennings is reading out of some fake book of asher? Well, that goes to his level of understanding Gino Jennings, uh, he doesn't understand matter. He's he's the guy that said he grew greek and I don't know why I said latin Don't doesn't work in his church We only we only speak about the bible here as though Again, we're g to bible from he makes it He he tries to make a point about, uh, roman's not physically pinned by paul Okay, and what what is your point? And so he could not and I'm not I'm not trying to be mean or ugly But when you look at who he's debated Name name the top person uh lance. Let me put you back up her lance Do me a favor lance in the comments name who you think is the best person that he's ever debated Tell me so we can go look him up and then if this guy's a quality Sound doctrinal person then I'll I'll apologize to you But when you come after, um, a guest and you've all seen the video where What's his name? Uh, uh, rickhouse micro kowski This guy's wonderful. He he's a lovely human being he really is And he said that that the the reason why just it is in its condition What because you were because you're full of sin or your parents have sinned and this guy is like What? And so you've got these people out here who who are What do we say full of buffoonery? You have to call them out And now we we meet personally. I don't deal. I won't deal with micro kowski I made my statement and blocked him and then I blocked his second account as well It's just no point But a person like Gino who he may be sincere. He's wrong. He may be sincerely wrong. I don't think he's sincere I think he understands what he's what he's doing some of the other folks we talked about I think when you're saying that you're casting these demons out I think you know good and well that you're not doing so. I think you're you're putting on a show And I think that if you really were a believer The spirit would have the Lord would have convicted you a long time ago And so I don't give them any room But Here's what you never see Here's what you never see you all tell me if i'm wrong because I don't have eyes everywhere But I've never seen one of these so-called False prophets that we're calling out I've never seen them debate anyone Of any substance now Gino has done so in the past, but He says he wants to debate wells. He wants to debate. He wants to debate tdjakes Who wants to debate tdjakes? He wants to debate creflo dollar Why? It's like two muslims debate each other on the bible. You're both wrong. So Point to me I would love to see in the comment section or send me a link to the email If he has done so, but anyway, I want I wanted to pull it up and I want to get to Another question another issue because people are saying well, how can you in any good conscience? Justin or courier anyone else Deny the move of the spirit And and some folks say well that guy's a cessation is that's that he's not he doesn't believe in the gifts anymore. And so How do you handle someone? Wanting to have these or just believing that all of these gifts are still in play What what what is your response to them about well the the the lord is still moving his spirit is still moving so forth Okay. All right, so Cessationism generally speaking for one thing what it's not it is Cessationism is not the belief that all of the spiritual gifts have ceased I am a card-carrying cessationist And as a cessationist I very much affirm the gift of teaching gift of mercy gift administration gift of exhortation gift of giving gift of hospitality Those gifts are very much in operation in the church. Absolutely. I've been all around the world. I've seen them in operation I know they're there. I believe that with every fiber of my being But what is also interesting Is that despite the fact of me preaching in 27 different countries multiple churches hundreds I guess of yeah easily hundreds Multiple hundreds of these churches all around the world What I am not seeing in any of these churches is any of the apostolic gifts in operation the sign gifts the gift of tongues Or rather the gift of languages, which is better the gift of languages the gift of interpretation of languages Uh the gift of uh miracles and the gift of physical healing. I have not seen anyone exercise those gifts now Do I believe god still physically heals people today? Yes, I do absolutely But only when it is his sovereign will to do so But that's not the same thing as saying that someone actually possesses the gift of healing That's two different things apples and oranges right there So yes god heals people but only when it's his sovereign will to do so But that is not the same thing as saying that someone actually possesses the gift of healing Those are the sign gifts according to the apostolic gifts And they had a very specific purpose those the purpose of the sign gifts um Were to validate the apostles Validate their apostolic authority and by extension validate The message that they were preaching they could perform signs and wonders and even unbelievers around them recognize that These are real signs and wonders. This is not pulling a rabbit out of a hat This is not the car trick, you know pick a car. Don't tell me the number You know that these were real signs and wonders And they validated the apostles validated the gospel the message that they were preaching And uh in in the gift of tongues the gift of languages The purpose of that was what I just said, but also as a sign of judgment against unbelieving israel I'm gonna take a little wild flesh all that out, but we no longer have a need for those Sign gifts that they're the purpose for which they have been given Has already been fulfilled. We now have the completed closed authoritative All sufficient canon of scripture, which in the apostolic age they did not yet have but we do have that now But let me let me say this too And and there's yeah, there's all kinds of theological reading when you when you read through the new testament chronologically It seems as though you go through the new testament chronologically and the and the sign gifts fade away Pretty quickly. I mean in acts chapter 19 there were Amazing extraordinary signs and wonders being done at the hands of the apostles paul peter Haker chips were being sent forth from the apostle paul people were being healed by those haker chips In acts chapter 19 But and that was about the year 8054 but when you fast forward about 10 years to the year 8064 then you have Paul writing to timothy and saying timothy take a little wine for your stomach and your frequent ailments So in just 10 years You there's no more hanker chips and aprons going forth from the apostle paul paul tells timothy Hey timothy, you've got stomach problems. You have frequent ailments drink a little wine for that It'll help your stomach Two years later. He's writing second timothy and he left He was with trophymus a man named trophymus And he left him sick in meletus Paul left him sick. He didn't heal him didn't lay hands on him. He left him sick So there's there's some very interesting and telling internal evidence In the new testament itself that as the years went on those apostolic gifts faded away So I am a cessationist And court here's one of the great ironies Theologically speaking because Charismatics word of faith in a our folks They would look at me and this is goes back to what you were saying in your question They would look at me and this oh, justin doesn't believe in the spirit Justin doesn't believe in the power of the spirit on contraire I am so confident In the power of the indwelling third person of the triune god the holy spirit That I do not believe that someone can be indwelt by him And teach the kind of heresies that benihana kyanth cope on all these other teach others teach Utter the kind of blasphemies that they utter Offer the kinds of false prophecies that they offer thousands of them And be indwelt by the holy spirit of god and feel no conviction Yeah, that's the iron. If these if these people were really indwelt By the holy spirit of god the very first time They uttered one of these jaw dropping blood curdling heresies Blasphemies the holy spirit of god would bring such conviction upon them. He would drop them to their knees And they would be broken With a godly sorrow over their sin and they would repent In the very fact that these false teachers have been teaching these things For years some of them for decades some of them in kenneth copeland's case for 60 years nearly They've been teaching these things and yet there's not one hint Of conviction not one hint of remorse not one centella of an apology That is proved positive to me that these people are not indwelt by the holy spirit of god because if they were they would repent And so The irony is it is Is that the folks who claim to have such a high view of the holy spirit of god Actually have the lowest view of the holy spirit of god as a sensation is my view of the holy spirit is far too high Far too lofty to allow for the kinds of blasphemies and heresies and Quite frankly utter deception and immorality that we find in this movement I want to um I think there's a lot of emotional Issues with the people not the leaders themselves I set them I'll just set them on a different category with the people who follow them and I want to address two questions Kind of together Lance you asked why Listen put your question back up here again. He says, um, could they just be The word differently could they just see the word differently than than we and you say that that's arrogant to state that Maybe these people don't know their bible. Well, some of this stuff is just that easy It really isn't when you say that a person needs to be baptized in water for salvation and must be done Under with it verbalized in Jesus name And that the evidence that they have of the holy spirit will be that they speak in tongues when we can go and find scriptures You have the same bible that I have Whether it's king james new king james esv and esv doesn't matter in acts I went over the other day of the several different accounts of someone believing and not speaking in tongues and so that nullifies that If you have a person who is prophesied all these many times and they haven't come true Then why would you still listen to them? Because maybe you're unaware Of this person or what the bible says about a person who gives false prophecy and then This gentleman here x f I whatever f whatever your name is. Um He calls false prophet one or two And you says because the bible doesn't say that there is any holy trinity or one safe always safe I don't first of all if you if you paid attention to this to this channel You've seen me go over over and over again. Just just let's say once safe always safe Uh, I've showed you in the english. I've showed you in the greek. I've even offered Here's the offer to you sir, and I'll lay it out again if you want to I tell you what I'm gonna do I I'm so confident. I again. I don't believe That god has a high view of us. Justin I don't think that he thinks that we're so smart Uh, and that we are capable of doing anything really without him And so I think he gives us his word for the most part in a way that any of us can understand If we stop trying to read into it if we stop if we stop trying to make it say what We wanted to say now what I mean by that is this I'm confident in the word And I'm confident so much so in this belief that I have stated that I will give this channel up or give it to you uh, mr X f yi If you can answer this particular question That I say shuts the door on the possibility of the loss of salvation If you're ever ready for this question, and of course, you don't have to wait for the question because it's all over the channel If you can answer this question, which no one has if you can answer this question I'll stop I'll I'll preach whatever you want me to preach Um, I'll become a muslin if you want me to I'll become whatever you want me to do That's how strong I believe in his word And I don't get why you think that you are controlled or that you are responsible for um Maintain your salvation getting it in the first place. I don't know why you think that you are that spiritual um, but hey If that's the case, that's fine But what you can't do Is when you say make something like that? Um emotional and let's just be honest childish and immature statements when we go to name calling Well, fine, you can do all the name calling you want to but I ask you and tomorrow when we have question answer Sign up come on in matter of fact. I'll bring you on I'll I'll risk the possibility of you wrecking the channel Um saying something goof now I have a button to mute you but come on and prove your point Guys tell them I offer this all the time if you think I'm wrong if you think the statements are wrong Prove it But don't do the name calling don't call people false prophets, but you don't want to offer scriptures Amen. Hey, I'll say it for you. Amen. I'm sorry, Justin But I but I keep seeing these little things and like guys we got to be better than this We have this is the reason why you've got some of these people because we let them do and say anything And we don't read the bible ourselves and if someone disagrees with how you've been taught Well, they're the devil. They're evil. They don't have the spirit Well, I've got the bible that the spirit gave us So how about we use that as our as our measuring stick as as as to To demonstrate how godly a person is if because if you are a believer you should at least at least Try to follow the scriptures. They're even unbelievers who try to do that, right? So So anyway, I'm sorry, just I didn't mean to I didn't mean to I have a I have another question for you Okay When this happens And there's this back and forth, especially with someone like yourself or or anyone else who says that this guy is wrong And someone would say that the devil Is happy that's the vision and and we should be Unified we should be but our main thing should be unity. What is your response to someone who says that? Oh, I'm all about unity. Jesus prayed for the unity of his disciples in the high priestly prayer in john chapter 17 So unity is very important, but unity is had around the truth It is not those who preach the truth that calls division. It's those who preach error and heresy That calls division and paul says this in romans chapter 16 verse 17 I think I've already quoted this verse, but he says mark those who cause divisions And hindrances contrary to the doctrine which you learned and stay away from them for such meaner slaves Not of our lord christ, but of their own belly and by good speeches and fair words to see the hearts of the unsuspecting So it's not those who preach the truth that calls division It's not you core. It's not me. It's not john mccarthur. It's not vody balkam I mean we can we can have little minor theological differences on the on the periphery. That's fine It's it's not those who preach the truth that calls division. It's those who preach error It's those who preach heresy contrary to the doctrine which you learned those are the ones who cause division It's the benny hens. It's the kenneth copeland's. It's the t.d. jakes. It's the joll oestains who have a different jesus and a different gospel They're the ones causing the division. They're the ones that are to be marked and avoided. Amen. Amen. I I said this before i'll say it again When the someone says the world is watching us and that's why people don't want to come to church or become christian Because they see us fighting. No, uh, I think the world gets upset when they see us not hold these counterfeits Um, we don't hold their feet to the fire They're gonna say it does you mean to tell me you let this happen You let a jimmy swagger happen. You let you let a jimmy and tammy baker happen You let a joll oestain or steven furrick happen You let a you let a tide white happen and you don't do anything That's what they they want people don't mind us holding other folks accountable for heresy They have a problem when we just let it go because it seems like we're all in this together It's all about money. It's all about numbers and what have you and we're not we are going to of course I believe over time our numbers are going to dwindle Including people who call themselves Christians there'll be less and less folks who you got a group of people who are actual christians possessing christ And then those who just profess christ, but don't possess them. I even think the number of those who are Pro obviously those who profess him that number is going to dwindle and I think over time the number of those who actually possess them I don't think the the church I think the church is always going to be healthy And I say that because the actual church has the spirit of God in them And so those who are truly in christ That's right And so we cannot let folks just blaspheme and just say anything they want to and then we just stand by quiet Who would do that you don't know any other group on the planet that would do that But you think that us as christians we ought to do that No, not the guy that I serve and I'm sorry so Anyway guys, that's exactly right. Cory. It's getting a little late We're not going to have just in here like you guys have me here sometimes for two and three hours and so Justin I want to give you the opportunity to if there's anything else that you want to add I'm gonna the floor is yours Oh, okay. Cory. Well first brother, let me just say how much I appreciate you I appreciate your channel. You do really good work And so keep it up brother. Keep it up. I'm very encouraged by you One of the things that I really try to champion in my ministry Is not only the inerrancy of scripture not only the authority of scripture We affirm those things at least theoretically we can we we should absolutely But also the sufficiency of scripture That god's word is sufficient. It is everything that we need To grow in the grace and knowledge of the lord jesus christ. It is everything that we need to To be thoroughly equipped under every good work Scriptures everything we need we don't need dreams. We don't need visions. We don't need Holy ghost goose bumps. We don't need, you know to be we don't need to Read a book by someone who claims to have been to heaven to learn about heaven We have the bible we have everything that we need in the word of god and so the Every form of theological mischief that plagues the evangelical world today, whether it's word of faiths in a or prosperity gospel the kind of stuff we've been talking about tonight or whether it's the Social justice movement or whether it's the You know, whether it's only catholicism or whatever every form of theological mischief that That plagues true christianity Can all be boiled down to this An abandonment of the sufficiency of scripture So I want to leave that with folks god's word is not only inerrant. It is also sufficient. It's everything that we need Amen, amen guys if you haven't done so already Obviously justin's name and his channel is as far bigger, but if you haven't done so make sure you subscribe I subscribe He was one of the first ones that I that I subscribe to so guys make sure you check him out And when you see people like him just recognize that they don't make very many men Like him that are Understanding the word and you can see their humility come out like that and so I was so honored to have you here justin I wish I could have my wife one so she can say yeah, he's been talking about this Ever since you read come on say I had a good day that day when you said yes so guys Make sure that you read your bible Make sure that you are always ready to defend the faith Again always be open to being wrong But make sure that if anyone says you're wrong Make sure that you prove or they prove it by the scriptures as he says it's efficient in the scriptures That's really all we have guys. That's what he left us with his word not just so he didn't give us his word Just so we can just ignore it and just try to Use whatever our feelings are it might be it might be a bad day. It might be gas It might be upset stomach whatever it is What we can't always rely on more than our emotions is the word of God. Amen So guys, you have a wonderful day Enjoy the rest of this evening and I will see you guys tomorrow. Amen. Amen