 Yeah, I was quite disappointed that mathematics and philosophy didn't really give me the feeling, oh, I know something now. I understand the universe better, and I couldn't make myself continue pursuing that path, so I didn't go to grad school. I just picked up and left completely and went to Taiwan, and there I gained access to sources of knowledge that were not on the menu at all at the university, so that would include what you might call Taoist sciences and Taoist technologies. Traditional Chinese medicine is an example of a Taoist science, or a Taoist technology, and then there are also things that my rational mind utterly rejected when I was in my late teens, having to do with energy work, you know, Qigong astrology, feng shui, like those kinds of things. And I realized through a lot of some first-hand experiences and a lot of second-hand experiences that the picture of reality that I had been given, and that is implicit in the academic production of knowledge, is a very, very narrow picture of reality that leaves out a lot of things that I had to admit were real, either that or I had to think that I was delusional and that seemingly sane, normal, humble people around me were delusional or outright fraudulent, and that didn't pass Occam's razor to believe in a world of dupes and frauds that seemed totally reliable and mature and normal, like that just didn't make sense. So that accelerated or propelled further my quest to understand what is going on here, what is real, what is true, how do I move toward what's real and true, and how do I avoid the trap of the certainty that I had experienced at university, which was a false certainty, but from within that worldview it seemed like the frog in a well, it seemed like all that there was. Like how do I know if I'm still not in a distorted or narrow reality that leaves a lot of things out? So this is, this was the path that I launched on in Taiwan.