 Oh, yeah, it happens once a month, like that hormonal time during the month, just like, well, I'm fat now and I hate training, so let's change up everything. And then like six days later, it's like, I'm the best, let's do exactly what we're doing. Yeah. You're listening to Barbell Logic, brought to you by Barbell Logic Online Coaching. For each week, we take a systematic walk through strength training and the refining power of voluntary hardship. Welcome to the Barbell Logic podcast. I'm Nikki Sims here with Matt Reynolds and I have a new microphone and it's all set up and I'm super excited. Man, you sound so much better. Hopefully all my S's and T's sound a lot better. Sounds great. And hopefully I'm recording this properly so that I'm not just sounding like a liar right now. Yeah, this is how when Matt does his video reviews for me, he uses his fancy setup and it's like, I'm just like a special one-of-a-kind podcast when you do my video reviews. It's really nice. 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Okay, this is a cool subject that you, me and Andrew have actually been talking about where you talk about MED plenty of times, but sometimes an incremental change in volume, frequency, intensity is not the right minimum effective dose. Something else needs to change. And as you just put it, it's something that is demanded by the human element of training. So what does it look like from a client when you're making MED changes, but it's like there's still a problem? Yeah. Well, so that there's still a problem is the interesting part because that's really the subjective piece of this is that the way Andrew posed us, I'll read actually what Andrew wrote to us in kind of the private Slack message. He said, one of the things he's starting to encounter with the next level of programming challenges with our clients is that MED is wonderful for smoothing out the late novice to mid to late intermediate, but he's noticing a pattern emerging where some of our advanced clients are getting bored of the program even when it's working. Like it's working well. Yeah. Yeah. And I've felt this before. I mean, major first world problems. It's like, wow, my all my lifts are going up by the same amount each week and they're going up the same amount each week and I hate it. Yeah. Right. Come on. Yeah. So if everybody was a robot and was just and by the way, there are people that absolutely can do this forever and they're fine. It's the best way to do it probably. These are the same kind of people. By the way, I was thinking of this. I was thinking about the show yesterday. People can eat literally the same thing all the time. I hate people like that. Like I want some, you know, I want some good food. Yeah. I wonder if my brother is like that. I'm like, how are you like that? I'm not like that at all. And we're so similar in stuff. And he's just like, I go, do you think you taste less than I do? He's like, oh, I definitely taste less than you do. Really? He's like, I don't I'm not a super taster. Yeah. He's just like, you know, like food just fuel and he's like, you know, he's like, I can tell the difference between really good wine or really good whiskey or really good coffee and not. But he's like, you know, it's just not like a good steak and a great steak is not like a life changing experience for him. And it is for me. I'm like, oh God, this is Wagyu Kobe A5 beef. I'm like, you know, do you think it's insane that some people like people like your brother are maybe a little bit more results driven versus some of us who are kind of process driven? That makes sense. Yes, for sure, for sure. Yeah, he is 100 percent means to an end. You tell me the means to get there, I'll do it. So, you know, I watch him, he gets his nutrition. He's a client as well. So you guys know him because he's been on the podcast a bunch, but he's a client. He's a paying client at block. I make him pay. It's even though he's my brother. And he gets nutrition coaching from Jillian and I see. So I see their back and forth. I can see what they're. And he is a robot. Jillian's like, here's what we're going to do. We're going to do some low calorie days at, you know, whatever it is, 2,200 calories. And then every third day, you're going to bump it up to 3,400. Because no problem. He's like, I got it. He's like, I haven't eaten. So he had this issue. We actually talked about it on a previous podcast episode where he was eating after dinner, he would eat perfect till dinner. And he would like snack and drink whiskey and stuff like that after dinner. And then one day he was like, I'm not going to do that anymore. He's like, I saw him post this week to Jillian. Sorry, dude, that I'm like, well, I wouldn't do this, by the way, or other clients as my brother. So I'm going to just family. We're just we're not subject to HIPAA. I don't think. Yeah. So he's like, I haven't had one thing to eat after dinner in seven months. It was something like that. I was like, what? Cold turkey like that. Wow. Yeah, he's just that's the way he is. That's what he is. And honestly, he's kind of that way with programming, too. I'm programming him. He is just like, he doesn't he's just like, tell me what to do. I'll do it. He doesn't care. And I, you know, I have clients like that. And we seem to attract people that are a little bit on the spectrum. And if they're on the spectrum, they can do MED until Jesus comes back. It does not matter. But if somebody is a little more about experiences and not just results, not just like I, you know, I want to enjoy training. Yeah. And at some point, the minimum effective dose is not the incremental change because it's not effective enough because at some point your client is going to get bored and quit. And then it's no longer effective. So even though it would be effective, it's not because the human element is they need some variability, they need some variance in their training. And so we have to start thinking about, well, OK, then how are we going to vary this? And it usually looks like a much bigger change. It might be an entire new style of programming, which doesn't feel at all like MED, but you have to do it because you understand that these people are human and they need a change. And this is something important that can happen here is you have to stand up as a coach and make sure you're not like switching frequently because the lifter just is like on board. I want something new on board. I want something new like you have to make sure as a coach, you're not responding to like shiny new object syndrome. But and then when you do make that change, it has to be because you think that it's the right thing to do as their coach and taking into consideration that it's still your job to still get them the right results. So be careful as a coach that you're not just being like, well, they got bored, I got to change it, you know, that's right. Yeah, that's a great point. So first off, you would be hard pressed to convince me that there's any reason to make a change that's not sort of orthodoxy, incremental, minimum effective dose change for anyone up to late intermediate. Yeah, there's just a simple system that works for almost everybody. And it's not always the same incremental change, but it is an incremental change. So for some people, you'll get them into intermediate and you might add more volume and some people you might add more frequency. But you're still just making the incremental change. Once your clients are advanced, advanced clients have to train for something. That's this is another important piece of this. They really have to train for something. Again, not everybody. Sometimes you get, you know, the weirdos are just like, I'll just do this forever. I have to train for something. You I know I coach you. You kind of have to train for something. I want to look forward to something. And so that might be a competition. It might be an online, an online meet, which we've got an online meet that just posted the next online meet. It's a push pull for the USSF, so you can go to the website and check that out at Barba Logic. Sometimes it's a vacation coming up. I'm going to Mexico and I want to get leaner and I want to look better. And that's a completely different goal than than getting ready for the meet. And so for advanced lifters, they usually have to be working towards the goal. And occasionally I've got an advanced lifter who decides to just pivot the sport. Like they're not going to do powerlifting or strengthlifting. They're going to do Olympic weightlifting or they're going to do strongman or they're going to do a mud run. And I don't care if they're in advance. Listen, if they're an advanced strength athlete, they're strong. If they want to do a mud run or they want to go do a Spartan race. Sure, let's do it. Let's train for that. Right. I got a guy right now that's training for triathlon. Yeah. You've paid your dues. Now it's time to have fun. That's exactly right. Right. And so usually that is where we end up making a larger sort of change. If the lifter still wants to make a change and they still want to pursue strength. I still think there are things that can be done. I was thinking about this. This is where a program, let's say they're following a minimum effective dose or a programming and they sort of slowly transition incrementally into sort of basic four day split block training, something like that. And they're just tired of doing, you know, five sets of five. The next week they do five sets of five a little heavier. And the next week they go five sets of four and then they go four sets of four. And then it's like, this sucks. So and it does sometimes. It does kind of suck sometimes. They want to make a change. This is where a program like a five, three, one variant where you can add things like AMRAP sets. Like, you know what, let's just let's do an AMRAP. You got to get five, but you're going to AMRAP it. So if you can get 12, let's get 12. The next week you got to get three. But if you can get seven, let's get set, you know, that can be fun. This is where adding like body weight accessory work works really good for somebody who wants to put on some more hypertrophy. So, OK, let's get really good at moving our body weight. So we're going to do a lot of push ups and pull ups and chin ups and different various grips on pull ups and chin ups and neutral grip and things like that. We're going to do dips. We're going to do glute ham raises. We're going to do, you know, all those sorts of things that that works really well, too. So you start to think about, well, what's the goal change and even something simple like changing the order of workouts during the week actually makes a difference, like, because maybe you're just like bored of squatting on Saturdays. So you know what, maybe I'll bench on Saturdays. That's a shorter workout. It gives me more time to not be in the gym. So even just a small tweak like that can actually be helpful. That's exactly right. We'll do a future episode on this. And this isn't unfortunately, this is not available to everybody right now, but we're beta testing these rep one devices, their velocity devices. That alone has really changed those of us who are doing it. It's made training fun because now we're training for velocity. So it's like the old Tendo units, you attach it to the barbell and it reads the speed, you put it on an app, you see what your speed is. And what it tells you based on speed, what your estimated one rep max would be for the day. And so if you need to train at 75 percent, it's OK, I'm gonna train at 75 percent of my one rep max. That's going to be sort of like the starting point, but it will start telling you what your little slow today or your little fast today. So we'll bump it up or bump it down a little bit and that's made it really fun. So you notice one of the things that's been nice. This is what I've been doing in my training is you move every rep with like clear intention. I'm intentionally moving as quick as I can that concentric face. And, you know, Andrew's doing that. Jordan Stanton's doing that. Carl shoots doing that. Jason Balls, we've got our guys are in its fun. And it's honestly the programming hasn't changed that much, but that variable change has made it really interesting and fun to kind of pursue and Brett McKay is going to start doing that soon. And so little things like that matter. And so here's the thing. If you are walking through the process of LP, late, you know, late novice sort of programming, you start to transition out of novice intermediate, early intermediate, mid intermediate. You've got to kind of pay your dues with that stuff. There's really no reason to ever change the programming there. And as you get out of intermediate stages and into late intermediate and moving into advance, where you would do programs like block training or DUP or even like a five, three, one, like a month long program where you're kind of setting one rep max new PRs once a month or longer. Then that's the point where you might end up occasionally making a larger change. Now, shouldn't happen more than maybe a couple of times a year? And this comes back to your question, where as a coach, if your client is kind of always going, I think I want to do this. I think I want to do this like it's, you know, shiny objects sort of thing. Here's what I do. I had a guy, one of my best clients, shout out to Justin. I've talked to him before. He's a great client, does exactly what I say. But occasionally he'll get like, I think I want to do a fat loss cycle. You know, for the next 10 weeks is fat loss. Or for the next 10 weeks, let's do hypertrophy. And that's fine with me. He's an advanced lifter. He's a good lifter. But here's what I do. I write, I send him back an email or a DM or whatever. And I say, here's what your program is going to look like. If that's what you want. Here's what the effects are going to be. Here's the trade off. I want you to sit on it for 48 hours. And in 48 hours, come back to me and tell me if you still want to do it. And so far, every time I've done that with him, he's like, yeah, let's keep pushing strength. Like, okay, it's fine. Right. So I mean, it doesn't matter to me. So yeah, I think that's the way you do it. Cause people, you know, here's what happens. People get in, everybody has these days where you feel like, fat ass, you put on clothes, you look yourself in the mirror, you got to go out like, God, or like, or something that you walk up a flight of stairs, you know, huffing and puffing. You're like, I'm so out of condition. I need to add a bunch of conditioning to my prayer. And it's sort of this emotional thing that you reach out to your coach and you're like, yeah, all the time. Oh yeah. It happens once a month. Like that hormonal time during the month is just like, well, I'm fat now and I hate training. So let's change up everything. And then like six days later, it's like, I'm the best. Let's do that exactly what we're doing. Yeah. Yes. You know, and for guys, it seems like so many things affect testosterone levels for them. Some guys are just naturally higher, naturally low testosterone, but a lot of guys, most of the guys are in that kind of middle of the bell curve. The more stress they have outside the gym, right? Life stress, work stress, or even physical stress. Like if they're doing other stuff like the guy that's that I'm coaching right now that's doing triathlon training, he has to have a bunch of cortisol in a system. I mean, that guy is swimming, running, biking and lifting. Multiple hours, basically six days a week. Like it's just it's a bunch of work. And so, you know, the fluctuations for men as well with testosterone and cortisol and stress and those sort of things make a difference as well. I've noticed the same thing, right? When my I know I can tell when my testosterone is kind of getting low, I can see what's going on. I'm like, I'm a I'm a fat ass. I should start like doing trail running. It's just start, you know, like, yeah, stuff I would never want to do. You know, and then when the stress kind of casts off and I train a little bit and, you know, then things are, I'm like, now let's go back. I just want to do trail running and watch Hallmark movies. There you go. I don't mind trail running. People would be surprised about that for me. Yeah, I have no desire to ever run on a road ever. I mean, you forget like I live in Missouri and the Ozark Mountains. It's beautiful. It's gorgeous. And so I like, you know, running on a trail. I like like mountain biking trails, especially ones that aren't super popular. So there's not mountain bikes all over the place. People running over and go out there and just, you know, run. Like I'll run like one or two miles, not like five miles. Like I can five miles. It's crazy. I would never do anything ridiculous like that. That's fun. Or like, you know, I like hiking or rucking. So I'll do that stuff sometimes. But, you know, like I've paid my dues for 20 years as a strength athlete. Yeah. If that's what I want to do, that's what I want to do. And part of that might just be that like you want to be outside. Just like, oh, good, go be outside. Yeah. It's not going to affect your training. Go do that. I feel good. I feel good being in the sun. You know, you're in Southern California. You've got the like the best weather in the world. It's perfect all the time. I know it's a big deal for you going out, going to the beach, getting in the sun. It just changes that. Yeah. You know, I don't know what Andrew does up there in Washington, where it's just, you know, dark all the time. It's just cloudy and gross all the time. He wears his down jacket every day. Yeah, we do. We do these zoom calls. And here we are. Like you're in a tank top. I'm in shorts and a t-shirt. Andrew's in a down jacket and like a took, like a beanie on August 24th. This was on Wednesday. He said, my garage is still a little chilly in the mornings. I was like, my garage is 130 right now. I think it's awful. You know, one of the things I've been doing that's fun, fun for us, Rachel and I, we've been training for a while and I'm getting tired of the same old, same old. And so what we've been doing is we've gone to, we train a four day split. We put a real significance on the first lift. So we squatted this morning and then we go out to the garage and I've got all these accessory pieces now that I've bought. So I have a, I have a vertical leg press from Titan. I got the leg extension, leg curl, which you now have to. I've got the reverse hyper. I've got a glued ham raise. I've got an echo bike and we'll just do circuits through that. Like we'll do us literally like five or six movements, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off. And it's our version of conditioning, but I only have to ride the echo bike once in every six exercises because so I'll use stuff like glued ham raise and reverse hyper and and leg press as conditioning. So it's not super heavy. I knock out as many reps as I can in 30 seconds. So you're knocking out maybe 20 reps of a lot of that stuff. The buzzer sounds you get up, you move to the next one. So what was going on in your programming or not going on in your programming or in your life that made you want to put that circuit in? I just want to leave and I don't want to do any more than Jim. Yeah, there's there's sometimes you just don't want to be in the gym anymore. That's fine. So I didn't want to do traditional. Yeah, I just didn't want to do the traditional supplemental movement. And then the normal like kind of hypertrophy stuff in the gym. This is in my garage. We open up the garage, you know, the neighborhood's nice. You get to watch people walking by walking their dogs and stuff. And it's just, you know, I don't mind doing some basic conditioning in the heat of the summer with the garage door open. And we get I can go through 18 sets. So like six different exercises for three rounds. So you get through 18 sets and we're knocking it out in like 30 minutes. So you're doing like a 30 minute session, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off. And you're just hammering this stuff. You're like, it's an easy 30 minutes. So you come in and we squat, it takes 40 minutes to squat. And then we go out and do all our conditioning in 20 to 30 minutes. And in an hour, hour and 10 minutes, you're like, you can't get a better workout than that. Yeah. Like, you know, you get done and you're like, I feel great. Yeah, it's toasty. You know, and I feel great the rest of the day. And so it's so, yeah, that those are the times when I think that minimum effective dose, there are times when that very small incremental change, while it will work and it is working, you have to be in tune with your clients enough to know they're getting bored. And even though it's working and they're still set in PRs, you need to make a change for them to give them some to freshen up. And, you know, again, this is sort of heresy in our world, right? So it's not, it's not CrossFit. It's not we're not putting stuff in a hopper and pulling it out like random sort of stuff. And I don't think, you know, we don't believe in muscle confusion or anything like that's ridiculous. But I do think there's a time when people just need a mental break. The same way, I think I said this before we started recording, the same way is when people are following like if it fits your macros on a nutrition basis and they're everything fits the macros. And the nutrition coach is like, let's say they're trying to lose some fat. So after a week or two, the nutrition coach is like, hey, I'm going to pull five grams of fat or 10 grams of fat a day. And so we're going to go from 70 grams of fat to 60 grams of fat. You're like, OK, and so you drop it a little bit and you go from 60 grams of fat to 55 grams of fat, 50 grams of fat. And then they pull a couple, they pull 10 grams of carbs and another 10 grams of carbs, bump your protein up a little bit. And you just do this incremental steps like all the time. And eventually you're like, yeah, I'm done with this if it fits your macros for a while. I need something different. Yeah. And you go, OK, I'm going to intermittent fast or I'm going to do keto or I'm going to do carb back loading or carb cycling. Like you pick some kind of completely different diet that's not at all what you've been doing. So you don't have to weigh and measure and count macros because you just need a mental break. And it's it's the same thing. I think we're training our free will just like we want to exercise our free will just like, please, let me choose. Let me let me not do what I'm supposed to do today. Yeah, that's exactly right. So, yeah, I mean, that's I think that's the big gist of it all. So do you ever make pretty big programming pivots where you have someone on a MED approach that's working and let's go someone who's like pretty will go with her like early advanced. They've been running a program for like six months and you notice that they're like they're just like skipping their second or third lifts or exercises of the day. And they're just like straight up not doing a session or they're just not posting videos. What do you do when something like that occurs? Yeah, great question. So the first thing I'm going to ask him is, do you want to change the goal? Do you want to keep pushing for strength? And let's say the answer is yes, because that's actually where it's harder, right? Because if they say, yeah, let's focus on fat loss, let's focus on hypertrophy, let's focus on conditioning or that's an easy pivot then, right, because the goal is different. But let's say they say, man, I'm just getting kind of tired of doing the same thing every Thursday and Friday and Monday and Tuesday, but I do still want to get stronger than what I'll almost always do. It depends on what they're doing. But let's say they're doing kind of a traditional again, kind of block or DUP or they're kind of moving in that direction. What I'll almost always do is I'll do my version of a Westside split or a five three one type. So they'll come in and just let them like hit PRs every single session for about six weeks. So we pick a new movement will come in. So if it's if it's five three one, it's not a new movement. You stick with the normal movements. You're all right, let's let's try to set a new PR with. And a lot of times I'll do PRs even with five three one. It's fun because you can do PRs with a specific weight increments. So you're like, OK, let's see how many times you can press two oh five. Yeah, let's see how many times you can bench press two twenty five. Let's see how many times you can squat three fifteen or four or five or whatever. And so it doesn't have to be for five. And so, you know, they did the four or five for eight. You're like, all right, we got a new eight rep max, which you never really had an eight rep max. Now we have one and we can try to beat that in three more weeks or whatever. So I'll do that or I'll do the West Side style split, which we've talked about in the past in the podcast. If the person has access to a handful of kind of various bars, maybe a box for box squatting, maybe bands and chains, and you can change the movement up. Then I just give a new movement every week. So all right, let's do close grip bench press this week. All right, after that, let's do floor press. After that, let's do reverse band press. Let's do chain press. Let's do board presses and you just cycle through that and let them hit PRs. And I'll pick I usually pick four or five movements and rotate through those four or five and then do them again and let them try to beat all those. And so you get through eight or ten weeks of training and set new PRs on all those different fun lifts. And it just is sort of a mental break. It's fun. Now, if someone is like I had this not that long ago with Brett, Brett had lifted heavy for so long. And he needed to break. I'm going to go to volume. I'm like, let's do a high perpetuity stuff. Let's not do anything that's Uber heavy for the barbells. Let's do lots of body weight stuff and just get in. The goal is to get out of the gym and feel good, feel better. So instead of doing sets of one to three or heavy sets of five, we're doing sets of six to ten. Yeah. And it's not that heavy. It's like, you know, RPE six or seven somewhere in that ballpark. And it's OK because we're moving good weight and they're getting good volume and tonnage. And then they're doing a bunch of body weight stuff and it's just they don't have to chase numbers. Yeah. So that's kind of where that's the way I do it. So it's usually the opposite of what they've been doing. So if they've been chasing numbers, they don't chase numbers. If they've been following percentages, four sets of four, four sets of three, then let's let's hit some PRs and let's have some fun. That's the direction I go. Yeah, it'll likely get to a point where after, you know, six or eight weeks, they ask you, OK, I'm ready to chase numbers again. And that's great. That's right. It's like when you're on a vacation and you leave when you still want the vacation to go on, you know, like you're not sick of it. Like you get to this point where you're so like your presence, your training, you're relaxed and you want more. It's a great spot for a client to be in where they just like love that thought of like really pushing themselves again. And it's perfect. That means I think you reduced that intangible variable, you know, where it just like training becomes like a grind and you don't want to just keep forcing them through it because they've already paid their dues. It's like, OK, I respect what your mental kind of state is now for your training. We're still going to keep you strong. But let's like relieve that other pressure that you're feeling. That's exactly right. And remember, we've talked about this, you know, beating a dead horse. But what's the most important thing for our clients? Consistency. Consistency. Compliance. Like we want them to continue to train. And then the four and then form, right? Like those two things like technique and consistency, the program, it matters. The point doesn't matter like consistency and form matter. Yeah. And so what I'm trying to do and again, you can go back to that. There are these people for me. It's mostly guys, although that may not be entirely fair. They're just that sort of robot mentality. It's that idea of, you know, training is always going to be that sort of spoonful of medicine. I'm never really going to enjoy it, but I'm never really going to miss it. I'll do it all the time. And those guys can do MED forever. But most people at some point, they're like, well, I'll say this for everybody that's not that I as a coach want to get my clients to enjoy training, to look forward to training. And so if training feels like a grind, we need to change something, right? Now, if it's a grind on week 11 in LP, sorry, bro, you're still doing it. We're doing LP or not making a complete change. It's like a buttercup. That's right. But that's a pretty short. You think about like if you really, if you really focus on training and you don't miss and you do everything you're supposed to do, you're kind of in this point that we're talking about six to eight months in. It doesn't take that long. Certainly by your end of your first year, you're at a point where you like, you know, and for a lot of people, they, you know, they get sick a few times, they go on vacation, they kind of restart LP a few times. And it may take two years or three years. But if you really stick to it, you don't miss, you're consistent. I mean, a year in, you're probably an advanced lifter. Yeah, we can create these sort of changes. And so that's that's to me, that's the right thing to do is like make a change. It's a little bit different from what you've done and what you've chased. I'd be really careful with what I don't do is I don't do a massive. So if somebody's been doing, let's say, heavy and low volume. Yeah, I don't crush them with like I need to change. Let's do some hypertrophy. Perfect. Your four sets of eight, five sets of ten. No. Yeah. Oh, no, we don't do that, right? Because so sore their body. So you can still make incremental, minimum effective dose changes, transitioning them into the new programming. If they're not ready for that sort of volume, I do this all the time when that kind of traditional Texas method thing that goes from three sets of five to five sets of five, I always move people to four sets of five first. Yeah. Why would I go from three sets of five to five sets of five? Let's go four sets of five and get used to that. Then we'll go five sets of five or whatever. So you can do the same thing here with them. So for people who are wanting to do volume, maybe I'll go two sets of eight the first week, and I'll go three sets of eight. And then, you know, so there's no reason to hammer them with four sets of eight or four sets of ten, five sets of ten. That's crazy right off the bat. They'll be crazy sore and they'll hate you. And then it's again, the goal is to get them to enjoy the training. And they'll be like, wait, this is not what I wanted. Never mind. No, no, no. Yeah, exactly. You want them to enjoy the training. That's that's the deal. Yeah. I was just going to say, I feel like this is like the emo side of MED. That can be the name of the episode. You got to be careful with it, like we said. And then here's another thing that's actually really, really helpful. These two things. You can change where you train makes a huge difference. So, you know, if you've been training, it's COVID. We are very pro training at home, trained by yourself. Like that's great. But at some point, you're like, man, I've been training by myself for eight months. Go get a gym membership and go in there once or twice a week and just train at home half the time. Yeah. And go in there for a little while and train and get a change of change of scenery. And you're going to hate it in like a month or two anyway. So you'll come back to your home gym. Like, don't worry. Yeah. And you'll quit. It'll bother you. So you'll be back in your home gym. Just don't worry about it. That's exactly right. I think it's fun to when I travel to go to a gym and train a gym I've never been in before. Just a fun change of pace. And the other the other option there is to get a training partner, get a training partner, get a new training partner. Yeah, they start training. Just, you know, having some having somebody to train with is a real benefit. Somebody to kind of push you and do the different things and especially if you can find one, which is this is rare, but especially if you can find one that's relatively close to you and strength, you can compete. And that's one of the things, again, that we're doing right now with with the guys using the velocity devices. We're competing with each other to see who can move fun, three, 15, the fastest or whatever. Like that's fun. So you're like, yeah. Is there like a tender for lifting partners? So even though none of us are actually training together, we can post our stats. That's what we need to ask. You know what? I think Nikki Berman, actually, she actually developed yeah, a tender for lifting partners. Yeah. And when COVID happened and then, of course, you know, she just had a baby, it got put on hold. But she was telling me the day that the app is done and she's going to re-release the app. So that's awesome. Look forward to that pretty soon. So it's basically it tries to come. It tries to find lifting partners for people. Yeah, that would be cool if you could like list what kind of music you're into when you lift, like whether you'd like to be slapped or not. What kind of what kind of barbells you need? Just like to be like the e-harmony. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, it's it's fun to train with other people just to get just to kind of get out of that scenery. And I've I've sent a lot of my clients before when they're just kind of grinding it, especially in the heat of the summer or the dead ass cold of winter if they're training in their garage. I'm like, just go get a gym membership for three or four months and just have fun over there. Like we can sort of the same stuff. Most cities now and this is not at all that was not all the case for years. Most cities have a gym that's pretty solid, right? And you can go find it's relatively close. Now, if you live in rural America, then good luck. You're probably going to the better idea is probably to get a training partner and help train at your house. But, you know, it's not bad, not a bad gig to go find a place to train. It's great. I love doing that. It's one of my favorite things. Yeah. Me too. So there you go. So, lest anyone says that we are dogmatic to the point of saying that MED incremental changes are the only thing you should ever do. And by the way, I do think it's the best way to program. Yeah. Really the right way to program for novice through intermediate training. We do have to always take the human element into consideration as coaches to say if someone needs a change, let's give them a change. It's OK. If it's occasionally not an incremental change, that it will actually be more effective to make a bigger change because they'll be more compliant with the new programming, the new thing that they're doing, whatever is changing that thing for them so that they they start to enjoy training again. If training seems like a grind to your clients, that's a good place to go. Mm hmm. Yeah. There's a time where. You know, you can't let your feelings overwhelm what's working in your training, but then if you start to become non-compliant or you're not consistent, that's the time when the variables that you're used to using that are working. You need to incorporate that other variable, which like you just said is the human element. Absolutely. Cool. Awesome. You have been listening to the BarbiLogic podcast. Thanks for tuning in. We'll continue to hammer out new episodes with Nicky and I and now with Nicky's great new microphone. Andrew got a new one, too. So we probably need to do a. We'll do a trio. A little three-way microphone actually, a trio. Trio sounds way more PG. Yeah, I know, right? And we'll continue to come out with a series. Really excited. I think I can go ahead and pre-promote this. Dr. Sullivan is doing a series that'll come out in the next probably in October for us on sort of BarbiL Health and. Oh gosh, that's so good. All of the stuff that he is so great at. So we're excited there with. Oh yeah. We'll be able to start releasing some new series as well as some of continued the best of the stuff in the past and digitally remaster those and put them in good chronological order. And so I was looking, I think, I don't know, three or four days ago. I think we're at like 950 reviews and we're at five. So we're so close to a thousand. Oh my gosh. Get on there, folks. Please go on iTunes. And it's weird. I think it let me do another review and I know I've done it before. So I don't know if it's just cleared my cookies. It's been long enough. So go in and leave another one. If you like, see if it'll let you. It's okay to double dip. There you go, double dip. Let's put us over a thousand. Yeah, we've got more reviews than anybody in the strength training world. And so we'd love to go to iTunes and give us a review. That's the best one to do it. But you can always do it on Stitcher or any of the other places you listen to us. 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