 If you was in there, if Roger was in there on the DTNS account, she could. She could. I don't think I am. That's in my account. I sometimes don't get the broadcast button when I log in as DTNS. Weird. Unless I start the hangout. Things are weird. Yeah, things are weird. All right. I'm going to Never Never Land. I'm back. We're going to talk France. Yeah. Alonzi. Alonzi. I'll stop. We're doing the David Tennant version of that, not the French version. Oh, right, right. Well, in that case, it's excellent. All right. Here we go. Daily Tech News Show is brought to you by me. You're welcome. But it's also brought to you by over 4,000 other people who also find some value in it every day. If you listen for the next 30 minutes and get even a little bit of value out of it yourself, consider going to patreon.com and searching for Daily Tech News Show and giving some value back. Now roll that beautiful theme music. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, January 12, 2016 on Tom Merritt joining me as he does most Tuesdays. Mr. Patrick Beja, DTNS contributor and independent contractor. This is what it says in the doc. So I need to look at the pipes first. And then, do you do spackle? Damn you, Otto, correct. I do everything, everything you need I can do. I'm here. Oh, excellent. Yeah. In fact, you're going to bring some of your local knowledge to bear today. We're going to talk about the French tech scene, which got written up in fortune, because France had a pretty good showing of companies at CES, apparently. Yeah. I thought it would be fun to go and revisit and maybe visit, actually, a few instances, a few fun examples of where the French tech scene came from by regaling the audience with tales of those weird and strange things that happened in France in the tech scene in the 80s and 90s, maybe. Maybe it will help you get a view. Basically it's all scarves and cheese and wine. Actually, one of the CES things is about wine. Of course it is. Let's start off, though, with the headlines. Periscope CEO, Kavon Bigpour, posted today that Periscope videos will now play right from the timeline in the iOS Twitter app. Livestreams will play automatically and replays will also auto-play. You can tap to have them fill the screen. You'll be able to see comments, but you won't be able to chat without launching the Periscope app itself. The update should roll out over the next couple of days, and then Android and Web folks will get the feature quote as soon as it's ready. That is good because the videos from Periscope are usually a little bit longer than a few seconds, so hopefully you can get the video out of the app and use it with multitasking on, well, I'm sure it's easy on Android, on iOS, it's been possible for a few months only. But yeah, that would be great. If you need to stay on that tweet in order to watch that video, it wouldn't really work, I think. Yeah, it would be nice to have an option to launch Periscope to continue viewing so that you could go back and forth, I guess. But I guess the idea is if you're watching Periscope on your phone, you're probably not going to be looking at Twitter at the same time. I'm more concerned with the auto-play aspect of it. I really don't want to be on my phone on my data plan and have this thing start chewing up a bunch of video just because I happen to scroll by. Let me tap it to make it play. It does that for vines and other types of videos anyway, though, the GIFs and all of this. But those are limited. Right, but it's not going to keep, I don't think it's going to keep playing if you scroll by. If it does and it keeps playing forever, that would be a problem. But it usually only activates when you are on that tweet, it's full on the screen and then it starts playing. So I'm imagining that it stops when it goes away, but that becomes a question of where do live videos go when I'm not looking at them anymore? That's right, it goes a little philosophical at that point. Google CEO Sundar Pichai tweeted that Google I.O. 2016 will be held May 18th through the 20th at the Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View with more detail coming soon. Also, a Google spokesperson confirmed that to recode that VP of Product Management Clay Bavor will now focus solely on virtual reality products as VP Diane Green will take on web applications from Bavor. Yeah, and recode was sort of emphasizing the Diane Green part of this. A lot of people are looking at this story and saying, oh, Google doubling down on virtual reality, which is a valid angle on this story as well. But Diane Green is the person who came in and has made enterprise sales start to perk up and even provide Google with a revenue alternative to search, which is something that a few people were concerned about, not that search is going away anytime soon, but you don't want to have all your eggs in one basket, even if that basket is very well made. So putting her in charge of web applications seems like a good move. And then also putting someone in charge of a new virtual reality focused division seems like Google responding to Facebook, having their 400-some employees working for Oculus. Yeah, the web app's part of it is the interesting analysis, business side of it, which is very important. The VR side of things is the exciting geek aspect of things, which is yet another signal that virtual reality is either going to happen this year or crash and burn horribly, but everyone is very interested. And everyone seems to be all in on that thing. It's yet another example that people are taking it very seriously. Yeah, I guess you could say that having Diane Green in charge of web applications ensures that you'll have a continued amount of money to be able to take bets on things like virtual reality, right? I guess so. VLC announced the first port of its video streaming app to the Apple TV platform available now for free in the iOS app store. You can play all file formats using UPMP, SMB, FTP, Plex, supports chapters, multiple audio and subtitle tracks, selection, custom playback speed. VLC integrates with OpenSubtitles.org, if there's no subtitles available already, and Hatchet.is. If you want to get artist imagery and info, that's Hatchet.is. And you can drop files and stream URLs into a browser window and cast them to the Apple TV VLC app. All in all, an incredibly functional video app to make good use of the Apple TV with whatever video you want to throw at it. I remember a time when VLC was not on iOS or Apple. Remember when they pulled it? Yeah. Yeah, they had it. And then they pulled it. And then for some reason, in France specifically, it wasn't available for a long time, even though it was available in other countries. It was very sad. I didn't know what to do with my videos. But now, thankfully, it's here. I love VLC. You'll see how long it lasts. No, I think it'll last, actually. I don't know why. Yeah, now I think it had to do with some kind of license issue. Some of it had to be open source. And there was an issue with the license agreement with Apple that specified something. I can't remember exactly, but now it's here. Uber announced a new service called Uber Trip Experiences today. The feature will, I'm going to read this slightly differently, the feature will give Uber passengers the option for things like, setting the thermostat on your way home, get local travel info, listen to music playlists that last the length of the trip, or the same foreign news bulletin. Developers will not be allowed to send unsolicited ads, and users will have to ask permission to access trip data. Uh, they say it in their blog post, like, with so many people riding during the holidays, we realized, what are these people doing while they're in the car? I'll be honest, when I'm in the car, I'm usually reading up on things, doing a little work, answering emails. I don't know how often I personally would take advantage of this. But the idea that it's like, hey, I got nothing to do. I got to take this 10-minute ride. Here's a 10-minute playlist. Or here's a 10-minute news update. Kind of cool, I guess. Yeah. I think it's interesting that they're exploring all of this, if nothing else. It is kind of a logical extension. It's not even an extension of Uber. It's like, when you're in the car, why doesn't whatever you happen to be using know how long your trip is going to be and adapt to it? There's no reason it shouldn't do that. It has little to do with Uber, but Uber already has the data pipes to inform the apps of that element. So you would have to put in the root information for any old app to take advantage of it. And what Uber's doing is saying, hey, we always have your root information because you've always got a start point and end point. So that part's already done. You don't have to enter it again, essentially. Mozilla announced it will shut down its social login platform called Persona on November 30th due to lack of interest. Persona was set up in 2012 as a free and open alternative to systems like Facebook login. The code will remain on GitHub and it is open source if somebody else wants to champion it, but they just couldn't get anybody to implement it or at least not enough people. Yet another indication that Mozilla is refocusing its attention on things that are actually performing. And Persona came at a time when there was a lot of interest in getting our information away from proprietary social networks and these kinds of services. And it's good that they tried. We've seen a couple of other things here, but we have to at some point face the reality that unfortunately at this time anyway, people are not, I don't know if they're not interested, but they're not taking the extra step to go and actually use those open source data privacy conscious services. I mean, I guess if you're a company that's looking for a login, you know everybody has Facebook. And if you look at Persona, you're like, well, we'll have to convince people to sign up for that. If we're doing this to make it easy, Facebook is the right one to use because everybody's got it. And so that actually makes it easy and achieves that item if you're being non ideological about it, right? If you don't care about privacy protections or concerns. So yeah, unfortunately developers said Persona, non grata. How, you wanted to place that one from the beginning, didn't you? Not from the beginning, we're pretty early on. That's important. But it does open ID, is it still a thing? Cause I mean, that's a standard. So yes, it's somebody could still use it. I think the main, like Yahoo stopped using it. They were kind of the big early adopter if I'm remembering right, of open ID. As I have, I had an open ID account on, I can't remember where, but yeah. Anyway, next piece of news is FlyingSpatula wanted us to note that a beta of iOS 9.3 has been released to beta testers and developers along with an unusual number of documents detailing new features. Arstectica notes Apple normally does not issue release notes until the final version of the update. You can get the beta at beta.apple.com. I guess this is the new world of, hey, everybody can try it out, even if you're not a developer. So let's give more information about what's coming. There's the multi login thing, which is apparently Apple says to Arstectica gonna be locked down to educational uses. Average users will not be able to use that in the shipping version, but there's the blue light thing. Like it makes the light more warm and yellow if it detects that it's dark and late. It looks at your clock. To help you sleep, basically. Yeah. It's, yeah, I'm wondering if it's the reason for the long patch notes are patch notes. I'm sorry, gaming terms. The update, the developer notes are, is there because those features are, there are more features than in a usual point, something update. So maybe that later rolled into it as well. I don't know. Yeah. Last week, the EFF criticized T-Mobile USA for detecting video and downgrading it to 480p for all users by default, and only not counting some of that video against data usage. Only video of partners doesn't count. T-Mobile CEO John Legere responded with his usual foul language. And in an open letter yesterday, Legere apologized, which is not always his way. He wrote, I will however apologize for offending EFF and its supporters just because we don't completely agree on all aspects of Ben John doesn't mean I don't see how they fight for consumers. Legere plans to meet with the EFF. He will also meet with the FCC about the zero rating and net neutrality issues around the Ben John platform and the music platform, Music Unlimited. Thanks to Captain Kipper for posting the story in the subreddit. I don't think this violates the FCC guidelines honestly. I think the FCC has to have a talk with them because enough people have raised it, but I do side with the EFF that opting people in to only having 480 of all their video streams because you're also not counting data of partners who've talked to you, and even though they're not paying, they have a relationship, doesn't seem particularly consumer friendly to me. It isn't, I mean I see how it could be considered fishy. I also understand why John Legere was going a little bit nuts because, okay I'm not in the US, I'm not very aware of everything there is to know about T-Mobile and that Ben John feature, but reading his post today, I understood that I was misunderstanding it significantly. Basically the reason he wrote the post was first to apologize, or maybe second to apologize, but first to clarify what that Ben John thing is. And when I read it, I realized I see how it could be considered anti-net neutrality and it actually is, but it's not a huge horrible get your pitchforks out kind of infringement to net neutrality. It's something that if you look really deep into it, yes, it's not great, but it's not as bad as I thought it was. Yeah, yeah, I agree, so. And we could get into it, but you know what, I'd much rather talk about Microsoft. As we mentioned, starting today, Microsoft no longer supports Windows 8 and IE 8, 9, and 10, with a few exceptions. This means no more security updates or bugs fixes. Windows 8.1, huh, see, you thought 8 meant elevate. No, 8.1 users will receive support until January 10, 2023, and Windows 10 users will have support until October 14, 2025. Wait, I thought Windows 10 was the last version of OS. Why is there an intake to support? They can expand it. Yeah, I guess it's the Windows 10 installation that people started with will have support until 2025, but yeah, there's some weird exceptions to this. If you're on Windows Vista SP2, you get support for IE 9 because that's all it can run, even though you don't have support for Windows Vista anymore, which is weird. There's some server versions of Windows that still support 9 and 10, so there are a few exceptions out there, but most consumers are not going to have support for 8, 9, and 10, which is 2 to 3% of the user base. You're talking about 10s of millions of people. I thought my understanding was they will support the last version that the OS can run, the last version of IE that the OS can run. So basically if you're fully updated, they're still gonna help you out, but yeah, the message is pretty clear. Just upgrade people, it's time. Sorry, just cutting you off there, to just say that 2023, 2020 something, being an actual date that we're talking about sounded incredibly weird to me as a child of the 80s. For some reason, 2010, 2015 was almost attainable, but 2023 feels like the actual future. It's very strange, it impacted me so much. You know, as long as I have Patrick, these sorts of... I'm like three years older than you, I don't know. Something like that, yeah. You said it on the instance this weekend. I care about it. I'm 42 now. Oh yeah, you're three years younger, yeah. See, in three years, you'll understand. Motherboard reports that investigators from the Netherlands Forensic Institute confirmed their ability to read encrypted messages on PGP-encrypted BlackBerry phones. This is not BlackBerry Enterprise Server. This is just a regular old BlackBerry phone, consumer version that are often sold by third parties with PGP-encryption pre-installed for folks. Dutch blog missdanews.com, or crime news in English, published documents in December, allegedly from the Institute, saying deleted messages and encrypted email could be read with a process that used forensic software from Celebrite. The procedure requires physical access to the device. And if you go read the motherboard story, they talk about several different ways that have been detailed in public about how you could possibly brute force attack with software and physical access to the phone and some of them are the chip off method where you pull the chip out and you dump the memory and stuff like that. So it's not entirely surprising that somebody could do this. I guess what's surprising, it's the Netherlands Forensic Institute confirming that yes, we do do that. I think in general, if it's a security issue that requires access to the phone, to the device, all of a sudden it becomes much less of a concern because it's very targeted. But yeah, obviously it's interesting to note, but it's not like everyone should start freaking out if they're using a BlackBerry phone. Don't lose your device, folks. That's good. And have an exploding one in case people want to seize it. I'm not sure about that one, but maybe not. Pokemon. Not the plane, but... Exactly. All right, Pokemon is celebrating his 20th year with an ad in the Super Bowl on February 7th and a special edition of the Nintendo 3DS bundle with... Oh, sorry, misread that. And special edition Nintendo 3DS bundle on February 27th. The special edition will have a Pokemon menu theme, interchangeable faceplate with art from Pokemon Red and Blue and digital versions of both games pre-installed. That was a bunch more stuff gonna happen to celebrate 20 years of Pokemon, but it's up to you to collect them all. You know, I was recording my video gaming show Pixels with my friend, our friend Garrett, earlier today. And at the very end of the show, we were saying goodbye and there was an audible gasp in his voice and he was like, oh my God, I have some breaking news. And he started talking about that Pokemon, special edition Nintendo 3DS, and he was incredibly excited because we've been talking about age a lot for some reason on podcasts in the past week, but he's 10 years younger than me, so he was in that age demo that played Pokemon in Sesame in school, and he has such a huge, very strong emotional connection with that game that I don't have at all. So I can only, on a theoretical level, understand why this is a big deal. It doesn't do much for me, but I think a lot of people are going to be very emotional with that ad at the Super Bowl. Yeah, because it sounds like it's not advertising a particular product, it's just gonna be like, hey, Pokemon's 20, everybody. It's how I would feel about the Mattel Electronics Baseball game. Oh, that's how old is that one? Well, this is the 20th anniversary one, so it's like 15 years old, maybe 20, I don't remember. This was the, yeah, I have the reissue of the Mattel Electronics Baseball that I think my sister gave to me when they celebrated its anniversary, so there you go, putting it all in perspective. Hey folks, thanks for helping us out on the subreddit. It really does give us an idea of what kinds of things you might be interested in. Let's us get a few stories in here that we might not have added otherwise, so please do go to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and participate. That's a look at the headlines. So as I mentioned, Fortune ran an article detailing a strong showing by tech companies from France at CES, the number three most represented country at CES behind the United States and China. Two thirds of those French companies were startups. In fact, a third of all startups at CES were French. 27% of the companies exhibiting at CES unveiled, which is kind of a highlight press event were French. There's a lot of reasons for this, Patrick. Before we get into the origins, what do you think of the current French tech scene with things like Business France, a government backed agency that's lending hand, the French TechTicket program, which is supposedly providing fast track residency and 12,500 euros to companies who qualify and want to come to France. And the fact that France typically has been seen as sort of business unfriendly. So it's very interesting, you know, the situation in France and I think to some extent what we're going to be talking about in just a little bit addresses this, but France has always been a tech loving country in, I think in the way, I mean, I don't know every European or even country in the world, intimately, but it feels to me like there is a very genuine love for tech in France in general. So what that French tech brand and those initiatives with Business France and all of those and the presence at CES, what it does is basically putting a label and helping those companies be more visible. But honestly, I think that the love for tech activities and tech, you know, exploration has always been there. Maybe there's been a little bit less entrepreneurship in the past, it's probably on the rise at the moment in the past few years, but I was very skeptical of the French tech label and it felt a little bit artificial, but I have to admit it's making what is already there a lot more visible and that's definitely a good thing for us. So some of the current darlings, obviously Daily Motion is very famous, Blah Blah Car is a ride-sharing company that is what they call Unicorn, that means it had a billion dollar valuation, Cridio, a digital marketing company, Vaunt Prevay, a specialty retailer also, company called Tenvan had a product at CES Innovation that won an award called Devine. It decants and aerates a wine in less than one minute. It's like a Keurig for wine, like you buy little wine vials and you just stick it in and it aerates and decants it. It's not for the bargain hunter in wines necessarily because you have to buy the little vials and they're like four to 20 bucks just for four ounces. But yeah, I mean, lots of tech companies now, but I think, Patrick, what you were thinking is, this isn't new as you just said, like there is a vaunted history of technology companies from France. Sure, I mean, I don't know how, there are companies for sure, but we didn't maybe until the era of the internet and the spirit of startups sort of permeated the entire world. Maybe it was more a habit for us to envision this in big companies. So maybe now we are trying things and building small agile companies more than we did in the past, but certainly the love for tech has been here for a long time. I don't know exactly where it originated in the very beginning, but I have certainly had examples in my youth and childhood of examples of that being true for the country as a whole. Okay, so start off and tell me about Minitel. I know that's one of the ones from your life that had a big impact. So the Minitel is something that people, even in France today, look with a smile on their face, probably more because it's a laughing matter, a laughing stock than something really innovative. And the reality is this was a very interesting experiment that was incredibly successful. Have you ever heard of that Minitel thing? Yeah, I've covered it a couple of times. I think when they shut down one of the services, and also when I've traveled, I've seen Minitel numbers posted for people to access it. So basically what it was was a computer terminal. It was basically a very low-end computer that was able to connect to distant services in the same way that I guess BBSs did in the US. Wait, it's a cloud service. It is a cloud service. It's a thin client basically that would have a... The thing is, it's very cleverly designed as well because it's one box, relatively small. There were different models, but by and large it was a nine-inch green and black screen with an integrated modem and an integrated keyboard. It was a horrible keyboard. All of the iterations were horrendous, but it meant that it was really a consumer product. It was a commodity almost. You would rent it from the monopolistic, the state-run posts and telecom company, and you would plug it into the power outlet and plug it into the phone outlet, the phone socket, and then you would have a number of different services. Basically it would be determined by price. You would call one number, it would be free. One number would be the price of the communication. One number would cost a certain amount per minute. Another one would be even more expensive, et cetera, et cetera. And then any developer, any company, could develop a service for this and you would connect by dialing the number that would determine the price you would pay per minute and then typing in the keyword of the service. So of course, a lot of those were naughty services that will allow you to have interesting chats with interesting ladies. Or men. Or gentlemen. But there were obviously the obvious things like the phone books and all of this, but for me, there were a lot of chat services around things like animation and video games and stuff like that, and it would obviously drive my parents crazy because I would spend hours a day on this thing. And back then, the communications weren't free, even if you had the special number that you would accumulate points for that would only cost the price of the phone call. So it was, you were racking up the same kind, you would hear the same kind of stories that you do today with the phones, the free to play games on the phones and parents having children buy a million blueberries on that Smurf games. Well, and that is the BBS system that we had where people would dial in, but it would be a long distance number and they'd forget how long they were connected to the BBS and rack up numbers that way. So it was very similar, yeah. So it is definitely, I think there were more than just these. There were, you could do games and a bunch of things, but the really interesting thing about the Minitel is that it is indeed a BBS-like service, but again, remember this was done by a very large company as a consumer product, which means it was available to anyone in the country. You would have grandmothers and elderly people and people who had never heard. It was in the 80s. I can't remember if I mentioned this. That was in the 80s from the early 80s. It was shut down. Obviously no one was using it in the early 2010s, but it started in the early 80s and everyone was using this thing. Basically the country put together a computer system in the 80s that was connected to distant services that anyone could use. And that was honestly, it is pretty amazing. It's not amazing to anyone who's grown up with the internet, right? They're like, well yeah, I can go anywhere in the world now, but imagine a world that didn't have that and now a whole country essentially builds, not an internet, but a cloud service, like a cloud database service that lots of different people can host their services on. That's an example of a technology. Tell me, where'd you go to get your tech when you were growing up? So there was this weird place in Paris in the 90s. We're moving ahead a little bit now. In the 90s, there was this neighborhood in Paris called Rue Montgallé that anyone who's ever wanted to put together a PC in Paris knows about. I don't know exactly why or how it started, but it was super weird. There was a couple of streets where for some reason, all of the, I guess they were Taiwanese immigrants with connections to the manufacturers back home, and I'm saying Taiwanese immigrants because they had very thick accents and they would open those shops that would sell PC parts at OEM discount prices. And I'm not kidding you, there were dozens, if not, it must have been maybe close to 100 shops in a three blocks radius selling everything you can imagine about a PC part. And I have never seen anything like this anywhere in the world, even in Tokyo, it wasn't that crazy. So it was an ethnically PC parts neighborhood. Basically, that's what it was. Ethnically geeky neighborhood. And you know, I'm sure that in the US you had those big stores like, what were they like, Radio City, New Egg, those, I don't know how many. Well, in Greenville, in Greenville we had the Will of the Wind hobby shop and Radio Shack. It's pretty much the same thing you're describing. It was also wood on one side and Radio Shack products on the other. Exactly, except it was like seriously, dozens of shops. And you would go there and go from one to the other and look at the prices and try to get the best price and you would get like OEM crazy prices because they were all competing with one another, but even more insane than this, it was the fact that there was enough of a demand for PC parts that this entire neighborhood would be living off of this. It was insane and it was very so successful that it kept, those shops kept being run by the family. And I could see over the past 20 years the accents of the shop owners going from very thick Chinese-like accent to the children of those people getting the shops then and them speaking perfect French and it changed kind of the mood of this thing. Is it still like that? Is that street still a tech haven? I haven't been there in a few years, but I suspect it still is. Even with the advent of the internet, I'm sure there aren't as many stores for sure, but you still have people who want to buy the parts for their PCs and again, I'm stressing the fact that there were so many people that wanted to do this in Paris. This is all in service of talking about the fact that Paris and France is very tech active. So there are so many people that want to do this. I think there are still some of them and when you want to buy a part for your machine, maybe you don't want to order it at Amazon, you're not sure where you're going to get it if you want to return it. You're more comfortable getting it at a store that you're going to talk to the person to. So I'm guessing there are still at least a few of them. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how they've survived the onslaught of ordering things on the web because the places I went to in the 90s were either mom and pop shops in Austin, not in a neighborhood just one at a time or the computer city was the big place out by airport road and computer city long gone and a lot of these mom and pop shops have gone as well. Now finally, your final example is where people would go in France to learn about computers and learn about engineering, which again, France has a long tradition of engineering but you have a particular place in mind that shows off the geeky tech side of things. So this is again, something completely insane that I don't think exists anywhere else. It's one specific school called Epitech and again, I'm sure that if someone was into tech stuff and young enough to have friends that were at Epitech in the 90s, hearing that name will bring back memories of craziness. Epitech is on paper a pretty, I'm sorry, it's Epita actually, Epitech I would get, people would get angry at me if I didn't correct myself. Epitech is a different school from the same group but it was slightly older. So Epita was just a school for engineers, computer engineers, but it was, it's hard to describe. Basically it was a school that was kind of a mix between what I imagine sort of med school is for the hardcore studying stuff and making fun of everything because you have to de-dramatize so you do crazy stuff in med school and what a frat house would be like. It's the insane parties and you would go to a party slash coding session at the Epita because your friend there would tell you, oh, just come over, it's gonna be fun and it would be a full weekend of coding and party and there would be lots of guys, not many girls but some and they would be coding all night and at some point and there would be the party in the other side of the room or the building and someone would always end up with their shirt off running around half drunk and it's just, it was kind of a, that illustrates how rock and roll, hardcore tech culture is in France. It's like it wasn't the nerdy geeks coding in there with their bracers and all the stereotypes you could think of. It was like crazy incredible party time, all the time with incredibly nerdy people. It's not like they were getting all the girls and having the cheerleaders if we wanna continue with the frat house. But it was fast times at Epita. Exactly. And it was, it was a, wasn't there a dean of discipline that was always out for the coders? I imagine that. You know, there's this rebel spirit in those schools which I think is being cultivated at 42, the school that the founder of Free, the very, I could talk about Free for a long time as well. It's the ISP that basically gave us triple play, VOIP and TV over IP and all of this. But I think those schools are still like that today to an extent, maybe not as crazy but it's sort of the tech in those school is almost like, I made the analogy with rock and roll or the style of rock and roll, almost like because it's the same kind of spirit. You are doing tech as a passion that is also kind of rebellious and it's not something that is shunned as something that is too geeky and then later in life you realize that you're the king of the world because you know stuff and the people who were rejecting you are just, I don't know, shopping at Walmart or something. But you get my meaning, that's a terrible thing to say. But you know. You're saying it's rock and roll from the beginning if you go into epitope because everybody. It kind of is. And that embracing of tech and. Well I think that's the way most of tech is now. I mean when I went to the University of Illinois, they would try to talk you out of computer science and into engineering because that's what the research funding was going into. But these days, no. I mean, going into technology is a badge of honor. Like it is not something to be ashamed of at all. You're just saying that here's an example of something that was decades ahead of its time. I guess so, yeah. And even you know, time-wise it was ahead of its time but I also think that the color of it, the spirit of it is also a little bit different. It's, we see a little bit of this in the Nordic countries as well, I think. But it's definitely something that is, it's still weird and nerdy, but it's celebrated a little bit more, I think. Well thanks for sharing your insight and direct experience it sounds like with a lot of this French tech history. I feel like we could do a whole hour on this and maybe we should, I don't know. That would be interesting. I might also be very interested in hearing from people from different countries. You know, I have this obvious connection with France, with my countries, but with my country, but maybe it was similar in other countries and France is not that exceptional. So please let us know, I'd love to hear from you. Feedback at DailyTechBeautyShow.com. Hey, you wanna hear more about the deep web that Darren Kitchin and I were touching on on Friday? Well, Brian has our pick of the day for further listening. He would recommend the episode of the Nerdist podcast with Alex Winter, episode 773, released December 18th. He says, once you get past all of the Bill and Ted talk, they get to discussing a documentary he directed, he being Alex Winter, called Deep Web and their technology discussion of the podcast was pretty interesting. We'll got to link into it in the show notes. Thank you, Brian, for the pick. Send your picks to us, folks. Feedback at DailyTechBeautyShow.com. You can find more picks at DailyTechBeautyShow.com slash picks. As if by an example of what Patrick asked, we asked yesterday to send us how you listen to music and Bill from Huntsville wrote in to tell us his music listening habits. He listens to FM radio on short rides, but then plugs in his Oxjack for the longer ones when he thinks it's worth the trouble. He says, Bluetooth never is reliable for him. He writes, I have all my music loaded on my phone. Some was digitized from vinyl, some from CDs, some downloaded from Napster. I've downloaded a few albums from offers that were available from Microsoft and Amazon. Since I'm about to turn 80, you might guess from my music is pretty old. Big Band, Swing, Country Elvis, and others from the 40s, 50s, and 60s. At home, I play from either my own collection with Microsoft Media Player or use the free Spotify app. Oh, and his city council in Huntsville plans to do gigabit fiber, and since that was announced, Comcast has announced 10 gigabyte service coming to Huntsville. He currently has 105 gigabit service. So thank you, Bill from Huntsville. He's a longtime listener of shows that I've done, including this one. And he just blows away your stereotypes. He's 80 years old using his Spotify and his Oxjack and his 105 gigabyte bit service. So when you talk about old people in tech, before you make that comparison, think of Bill, all right? Rock on. Yeah, Bill, I love this. And thank you, Bill, for your continuing support of the show and for always being generous to share your insights on this. Rich from Lovely Cleveland, also a regular contributor, said, I'm looking at the state of music distribution and you noted the vinyl sales have grown consistently now accounting for 9% of physical media sales. Could some of this growth be spurred by the increasing obsolescence of optical drives? It may be that the CD is now less convenient to digitize for many consumers compared to new vinyl releases, which almost always come with a digital download code. And he's right. Now, not every piece of vinyl you buy does that. Obviously used vinyl doesn't, but if you buy vinyl releases, say on Amazon, a lot of the time they say, oh, well, here's your MP3s and then we'll send you the vinyl in the mail. I would absolutely see that encouraging people to say, yeah, instead of buying a CD and ripping it, why don't I just buy the vinyl? And sometimes it's still cheaper than buying the actual digital album, weirdly enough. Interesting, you know, I've never been interested in vinyl, but for the past couple of years, I've been like, hmm, maybe that could be fun. Yeah, so, yeah, I was about to argue like, yeah, but it's a lot more inconvenient to digitize your vinyl. And then he reminded me, like, oh, they do that. They actually do that. So you might keep an eye out for that. Thank you, Patrick Beja, as always, for being on the show. Frenchspin.com, if you wanna find Patrick's other fine shows, including the Phileas Club and Pixels and more. What you got going on, you wanna tell folks about? I guess the show we just recorded today, Pixels, which is a show about video games. We recorded it with my friend, Garrett Winesroll. And we actually went through 2015 and 2016, or looked back on 2015 and looked forward to 2016, selecting our favorite games of the past year and the ones we're the most looking forward to in 2016. So if you want to have an easy to digest panorama of gaming in last year and the next, then go listen to that. It's Pixels and it's available at Frenchspin.com. Don't forget, folks, you can support the show and make it happen. You are the reason we exist. We are well on our way, more than 25% of the way, towards getting that next milestone goal on Patreon, patreon.com slash DTNS, where we can get Peter Wells on board to do an Australian version of the show for a sixth a day with an international perspective. So if you get some value out of the show, all we ask is you put a number on it, if you can. If you can't afford it, it's fine. But if you can, patreon.com slash DTNS. Thanks to everybody who's been filling out the survey at bit.ly slash IOT questions. I'm gonna do an internet of things talk, as well as the show with an interview of Jacob Nielsen at Convay UX in February. So if you're a designer and you're interested in going, go check out Convay UX at convayux.com. 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I think it was a great thing because it's something that only you could do in our world that only you know about. And that makes it inherently valuable to us. Yeah, if it felt like I was cutting you off, I did want to move us along, but not because you're talking too much. Yeah, yeah. No, I think it was good. I'm glad if you confirm it was good, then I thought it was pretty good too. And the chat window seemed to blink. Would you like some show titles? Yeah, please. I mean, play. We've got Persona non-corrata, which Of course we do. Of course we do. Les CES faire, les tech du jour, which I kind of like. Periscope up, virtual reality is serious business. Windows 2023, Service Bag 2025, Rock, Rock, Rock, Rock and Code High School. Nice. That's nice. Rock and Code, Autoplayer didn't happen. And IE9 is just sleeping. It's not dead. We just said IE9 to a happy farm. Don't cry for me, Épita. Patrick, I give you the honors, sir. Oh, what do you like? Wow. What is your pleasure? So I really like Windows 2023, but that's kind of silly because it was just a thing. Les Tech du jour is. Les Tech du jour? All right. Yes, let's do that. Why not? Parquet now. It's proper French. I guess it should be La Tech du jour. There you go. Should it? Yeah, because technology is feminine now. Is it? That is unlike most technology things these days. I'm impressed. Yeah, the gender of words rarely has anything to do with logic. I know. Why is technology feminine? Someone get a French linguist. Because it is sensual and responsible and at the same time clever. No, it's because it ends with an IE. IE is feminine. But in Spanish, that doesn't even always hold because I think it's la gente, the people, even though it ends in an E. Well, I'm sorry. That Spanish is not like French, Tom. What do you want? But if the female gendered word wants to become a male gendered word, does it have that right in France? It has to go to the Gender Reassignment Board Clinic. And no, we have those exceptions. Can we just get rid of gendered words? Like, come on. That's what we did, English. Well, you know, I used to think that a little bit. But the more complicated the language, the more intricate and beautiful it becomes when it's well listened. The more it keeps riff-raff like us from speaking it, is what you're trying to say. No, well, yes, that too. Hey, I'm learning Swedish now. And I'm going to be in a country where the main language is Finnish. It's the worst horrible language, the worst language to learn. So I would be fine with, you know. But honestly, I've just found I was so horrible at grammar and all of that in French in school. It was terrible. It was really hard. But when you learn to appreciate it, it's like a good wine. You just appreciate that much more. I have to say, I became better at English grammar by learning Russian. Like, it definitely, because it took me out of my comfort zone of like, well, I know how to say it. And it made it like, oh, that's what generative is. Oh, that's the dative case. Oh, I get it now. Because Russian's hard with cases, particularly. They're cool advantages. There's no present tense of the verb to be. And there's no articles. So you just say, bear hungry. Not the bear is hungry. I like that. Sounds a little bit easier. But basically what you're saying is unless you want to say the bear is hungry, it's more complicated. It's the only case that where it's easier. Once you want to say what the bear is hungry for or what the bear ate or anything like that, yeah, it gets. Or if you use future or past or perfective or self-reflexive verbs. I'm so sorry. I brought this up. Why? I don't know. Because I've moved on like three cases ago. I'll stop freezing. Come on now. Come on, internet. I thought the internet, it's feely. My dad was a linguist. How about them apples? Maybe that's why I am. That's why your eyes glazed over. Yeah. It's like, oh, this is just like childhood. I can say that. Is your actual name Jenny or is it like Jennifer? Yeah, it's J-E-N-N-I-E. That's my real name. I was trying to imagine your dad sitting you down and explaining to you the intricacies of the beauty of the English language. And going like, listen, Jenny. Yeah. I'm Jenny. And I'm just Jenny. I have no middle name. And I'm not Jennifer. And my mom. Jennifer Percival. No, my mom was rather piqued. And so she threatened to name me Just Jenny Josephson so that I would have a middle name. Just is an interesting first name. Yeah, that would be tough. Justice. I think it can be a, what if you were named Justice and then you became a Justice? And you were just Jenny Josephson? No, Justice. Oh, right, right. Justice, Justice, Justusson? Yeah. And that is an interesting iteration. All rise for the honorable Justice, Justice, Justusson. But then what if I married David Justus? Yes. All rise for the honorable Justice, Justice, Justice, Justice. And then you could summon me with, like, from anywhere. Also, I love that you pulled David Justice out of your memory. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. I knew someone who was kind of in a similar case. Her first name was Kim. And she ended up marrying a Korean guy whose last name was Kim. Oh, no. Every time, like, for example, she ordered pizza, they would ask her, like, well, what's your name? Kim. OK, last name, Kim. It's like, no, no, you're last, like, you know. Oh, no. She's a walking adventist fellow. Third base. Third base. You should just turn it into a symbol, like, prints. And then get a rubber stamp, a custom rubber stamp, and you just, you know, what's your name? You just stamp it on a sheet of paper there. Yeah, it's hard when you're ordering pizza, though. That's when you have the internet. Oh. Got a pizza here for, I don't know how to say that. This is a squiggly line through, looks like a square with a triangle on top. I'm excited. I just saw, and I'm anticipating watching, the trailer for Hail Caesar, the new trailer that came out. It's basically just one long scene. The Coen Brothers flick. It just looks great. And I'll be super disappointed if it's not great, because it looks awesome. J Jonah Jameson. It's got George Clooney. Yeah, it's got, so it's got Channing Tane. I'm doing, like, Gene Kelly style dancing. Huffed. Huffed, you mean? Yeah, huffed. Get it? Yeah. Huffed dancing. Huffed. Uh-uh. Muah, muah, muah, muah. What else? What else is going on? What's new in France? Katie Best and I. Oh yeah, what's new in France? I ordered the SIM card for my finished phone. Oh, right. Now, is that prepaid, or? No, it's a subscription thing. It's 29 euros for 100 megabits down. I don't know how much up, but unlimited. Nice. I am moving to Finland now, too. Yeah, right. It's, yeah. No, go ahead. No, I was going to say it's getting better with all of those. That's the fact that you actually need to tell what the up and down is versus here, where they're just like, it's 4G. You don't know what they mean by that. Katie Best and I spent a good solid hour planning out our post-lottery winning strategy. Ah, so what are you going to do? Well, I have this whole big plan, which is tell no one. Starts with tell no one. Starts with get a lawyer, an accountant, and a security consultant. So you're going to have to just keep showing up for DTNs and nothing. Keep showing up for DTNs, if nothing's wrong. Because otherwise it's like an area of the coal mine. But don't they put the name of the person who won? I think you can request it anonymously. So if we see justice, justice, justice, we'll know what to do. Or if it's requested to be anonymous that the person won. It's like, what's that for sure? I think the audience's first indication that I won would be DTNs would start broadcasting out of a castle. We really love our new castle. Yeah, our castle is great. It's really high internet. You know, I hear the Playboy mentions for sale. I know. I would buy that. Snap the podcast to the ground. Just pour a bunch of bleach over it. Start over. Helicopter in some bleach. Helicopter in some bleach. Start from scratch. Actually, I would buy Michael Jackson's property and do the same thing. Wait, is it the Neverland Ranch property? Yeah. I'm so glad you added this property after Michael Jackson because buying Michael Jackson. It would be a bad deal. Weird, yeah. Not alive. Not alive people who want to live. So yeah, so that would be that. And then we have a very detailed plan. I want to buy an island. Yeah, I might do that. Just like buying it like, OK, when things get too hectic, I can retreat to my retreat island compound. So I'm going to say something that sounds incredibly snooty. OK, goodbye, everybody. I think if I won some kind of mega, silly mega lottery, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing now. I don't think I would want to do what I'm saying. No, you just do it now. You keep doing what you're doing, but with more security. That's all I want. I would totally stop Tom. No, no, I was just like, you could stop. You could even continue. Like, here's your conundrum, Patrick. Would you continue to run your Patreon? Probably not, I guess not. Or I would do something like start a fund for podcasts that I like that I would allow to make money. No, I think I would do that. But then I would also buy a house in Los Angeles and Tokyo and Kyoto, and I would have a bunch of houses to go and do stuff from. But see, if I don't really have to do the tech shows all the time, I worry that I would fall off the habit and just not do it all the time. I'm not going to do pixels this week. We'll do it next week. I'm just going to stay here in the Greek Islands for another couple of days. That sounds so great. I would probably buy Greece. Can I buy Greece? When I'm back from the St. Shells. Exactly. Greece isn't enough trouble that I would just buy it. Well, you know, I think you're on the right track, though, Patrick, like wanting to work. I think it's like kind of people with an early retirement. They kind of get off like doing their normal work routine, and you kind of want some to keep your gray matter working constantly. That's how you die when you stop doing your job. Yeah, yeah. I would not have a problem. You just need to do it from a castle made out of good French cheese. First of all, managing the money would take so much time that you would be, that would be your job. I hire someone for that. No, I know, but you'd have to manage them. That won't take much time. You know, it depends. Do you really want to keep all that money? Yeah. They say that you're happiest when you give. Well, I have a whole new plan. Says Roger, positioning yourself. I have a whole new plan. I'm now completely on board with Jenny's plan of not telling anyone. I think that's the smartest of all the plans I've heard. I would be a massive super backer, but I would make a fake name like Justice, Justice, Justice, Justice podcast all over the place. Under her secret identity, Justice, Justice, Justice, travels the land dispensing justice. No one would ever get to speak, because there'll be no record of it on the internet. You know, Patrick, you can actually play, too. You don't have to be an American citizen or a US resident to win that lottery. You know, I think it was Churchill that called the lottery the tax on the poor. It's the stupidest thing you can do with your money. Oh, yeah, definitely. You can burn your money. That would be stupider. Yeah. Well, I think it's illegal. So yeah, it's even more stupid. Actually, no, it's not. US, you're not supposed to deface US currency. Isn't there a law against that? So it is illegal. I mean, you're not going to be able, right? You could bake your money into a cake. That'd be pretty stupid. OK, all right, there are more stupid things you can do with your money. Lottery is not buying. It's buying hope. It's buying a weird moment of hope. Yeah, I agree. I understand. It's just a state of mind. No one's going to win. No one's going to win. It's going to keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. No one's going to win. We're all sacks of fluids attached to an energy generator. It's all a simulation anyway. Although, you know, if there's like some rich guy, like some, you know, some tycoon who wins it, I would be so pissed. Trump's going to win the colony. Wouldn't you? Wouldn't you be upset? That would suck. But he would have to give it away. He can't keep it. Why not? I think they did an article that said you couldn't actually even buy all the tickets. No, too many combinations. Too many combinations. But there are, quote, unquote, investment groups that do that, not with just that lottery. They do that with lotteries around. It used to be around the country. And it would be just like, you know, it's an investment. In many ways, it's kind of like putting your money. Well, this company's going to do well in four years. So I'm going to invest my money. That's as much of a gamble. All right, I am out of the post. Thank you, everyone. Good luck on the lottery.