 Welcome to the Monday, May the 7th, meaning of the Mobiliar Design Review Committee. I will let committee members and staff introduce themselves around the table. Hannah Smith. Mike Miller, staff. Stephen Everett. Meredith Randall, staff. Benjamin Chee. Unless anybody else has anything to offer, the comments beforehand will go to approval of the agenda. I hear a motion to approve the agenda on favor of the agenda. Raise your hand. And we'll go straight to the first application for 112 Main Street. Applicant Lee Youngman. Come on up and have a seat. So I want to put a darling little sign above my big bright purple awning. I thought the purple awning would be enough to tell people where we are, but clearly it's not. I haven't had a sign for several years. And the sign is exactly the same color as the awning and mimics the logo that I have in my window. Just one of those blade signs that comes out from the building. Comments, questions, suggestions, like. We just have a comment in terms of mounting the steel bracket. The closer clappers on the building that's in a regular shape, they want to get a pattern cut that fits the clappers. I'm going to have wood and wood do the installation. And mount that between the bracket and the clappers so that you get a flush mount against the clappers. You mount the steel directly to the clappers for the cause of the clappers are shaped and dipped. Gotcha. The clappers themselves. So that's always a good way to mount them. Okay. I will pass it on to wood and wood for the installation. They do. They do. So the actual height. Yep. I thought that centered above the awning would be kind of the most visually appealing. Either centered above the awning or centered under the window above the awning. I think it's just going to look better than centered above the window under the awning. The nail salon is obviously centered under the window. Right. But the only question he has is that those clappers are six inches. Count that one, two, three, four, five. That's 30 inches. Yeah. And your sign is 31 and a half. Yeah. From the top of the... Right. And that's not even to the top of the bracket. Right. Yeah. Wood and wood actually come in pieces. No. They worked from that same photo. So I imagine that they can shrink it down. I mean it's just... I don't know why they couldn't. Shrink your yarn balls. Yeah. That's okay. We can do that. We can do that. Would I need to come back if they determine that we need to shrink it down? What we could say is that the top of the bracket shall not be higher than one full course below the window. Okay. That's about where it's showing right now. Yeah. But if you make the bracket any higher than that, limit it to under the sill. No. If you push the sill a little bit to the left, you can probably... Is this your door? Is this your door? That's our door. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I could do that. Which would you prefer? Would you rather have it centered over the awning? Or would you rather have it centered in the space to the left? Well, if it was all the way above the main street sign, if we moved it to over here instead, then it probably wouldn't matter if it was flush with the window sill or a little bit higher than the window sill. I would still try to keep the top of the bracket at this line at the bottom of the window sill just for continuity and rhythm of the signs. You know, this one is centered right here. Right. If two things that you could do to make the size fit in, number one, again, you could shrink the yard ball or lower one. Yeah. And number two, you could move the sign closer for the bracket itself. Yeah. Because that's three inches right there. Right. And then yard ball is a good 18 inches tall. I mean, I think I'd rather have it under the window than to the side of it. I mean, really what I want is people driving by to see it. That's really, that's all I care about. But I would also like it to look like it had been thought to be placed. And that's closer to your entry door is where I want your gear on the side. Right. I'm not sure that people would be confused that it's down the alley. Right. But this clearly states that it's right over the center of the shop. Okay. All right. Well, luckily it's a pretty simple sign. So if they need to shrink it down to get it to fit in the space, I don't have a problem with that. As long as... This is also like that. Yeah. The order is reviewed this. And they did have the City Specs. So when they did the design, unless they've changed these last year, because they actually did the design last year, but then we weren't sure that everybody's was going to get one of them. So it looks no larger than my own. The way the logo is, now if I had a more horizontal logo, I think it would be okay. But just because it's so compact, it really just looked like the best way to do the sign. Okay? So what we'll do is just make it an adjustment with the application, custom steel bracket. Can't be higher than one full board below the window. Is that what you said? So it flushed with this. So it's basically showing slightly higher than your logo there. Okay. So it'll come up to the top of the bottom of the first platform below the window. Yes. Okay. Okay. I can live with that. Great. So big. Sure. So if that means I need to shrink the sign, that's okay with you guys. I don't need to come back for that, right? Just so that I'm clear. Okay, good. Thank you. Size it so that it fits into that space. Sure. Okay. Okay. Design. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great. So. Okay. So. Okay. So. Okay. So, Okay. So we're going to move on to the next slide. Okay. So, Okay. Okay. Great. So, Okay. So, Okay. Great. So, Okay. So, we've never made a motion on the vote, just all in favor or approve of this. And again, since we're advisory, Lee, since we're advisory, you would come to the next event for your board meeting, which is? No, these are actually now going through administrative. Yeah. Okay. So, you don't need this? So, I just think we're going to do something that's too late for you guys? Audra will be in touch. Okay, thank you. Thank you. No, good. Streamline. Yes, system. One of the few things that work as planned, good. The next application is for 110 Northfield Street, a lot of 49 properties, but tell us about your application. So, I'm Britt Richardson. Nice to see you all tonight. This apartment has three entrances. I'm proposing to do some renovating on the interior, which would, by creating, eliminate one of the entrances and replacing it with a window, I would be facilitating the renovation interior, as well as closing up one of those windows to make a laundry area. So, the other change that I'd like to make is changing the rear door on the south side to a sliding glass door instead of a, I don't think any of these doors are original. This is an addition that was probably put on one of the door, the door that I'd like to eliminate is on north side. I don't have any idea. We inherited this when we purchased the property about 10 years ago. I would like to use simulated divided lights for efficiency. This building is not visible from the street at all. Well, it was the street side of this, but they don't realize it's what it's going to look like. Yeah, you can't even, most people don't even know the house. Yes, so standing on the side of it, you can't see it. You know, there are double-hung windows above on the second floor, but this would end up being a smaller window. So, my hope would be to make it look like the small window on the second floor in that exterior picture. So, this one has nine divided lights and either a case for an awning window that looks like that, semi-congruous. I mean, if you look at the rest of the building, none of the windows look like this part of the building. They're all 2 over 2 instead of 6 over 6. Sort of hard for me to choose which style do I match, so I'm trying to match the style of the addition. So, we'll do that, excuse me. It's a kitchen. It's currently a kitchen and it will continue to be a kitchen. Just give me a space to put a washer dryer behind it without being blocking the window. The washer dryer would be on the south side. Right here is where I'd like to put the stove. Oh, okay. So, it wouldn't make sense to have a door. Then I notice on the front it says, replace door and window with a sliding glass door. Yeah, on the south side, there is a door there and a window next to it. I would like to put a slider in there to replace this door. I would like to replace that door in the 2 over 2 window there. Okay, so you'll take this window out and put a slider in here? I'd like to take the window out on the right. That's where Steve's looking at the very last page. So, that window on the right-hand side would no longer be there at all. Right. And on the left-hand side, the window in the door that goes to would be replaced by a slider. Okay. Then would you keep that roof overhang? Would all fit within this roof overhang? Well, I could either- I could put the door here under the roof overhang or take the roof overhang off and put the door where the door would end up. I'm not attached to it. Steve, if- What is the roof line up here? Is that a flat roof? Or is it pitched the other way? It's not a flat roof. It's pitched toward- It's pitched on both sides toward north and south sides. Coming this way? Yep, pitched north and south. So, are things running off the roof and dropping down on the little patio, not that door? Yeah, there's no patio. That's just like a cement. I don't know the name for that. Just a walkway into the- It's not even a walkway. There's like a little piece of cement that takes the rain away from the house. So you're not going to get drifted off coming in and out of that door? It's not used as an entrance. All of the parking is on the north side. Okay. It's really just to access the yard. That's the only thing that is on the other side here. Just the yard. Well, I mean, it's pretty hard to see what's going on here. I assume this is that spot right there. It's correct. And there's a tree in front of it that sort of looks like a staircase. There's a shrub and the emergency exit staircase. Okay. So the window that I'm proposing eliminating on the south side of the house is actually not visible. It's behind what? Yeah, it's behind the shrub and the stairs. But you would have to do- If you were to keep this overhang, would the door fit in there with these knee braces, or would you have to post it over there? The slider could fit here, or I could eliminate this, and the slider could fit here. This face is south? That's south facing. If you want to put a couple of posts out, you'll bring this white and this, bring it out a little further and have a nice little couple of patio out there. That's not in budget. I'm afraid. Okay. That's okay. Yeah. Just throwing it out there. Yeah, that's a beautiful idea. But I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to do that. Just realistically. The fire escape is important. The fire escape is not important. It's really hard to tell. Like it's not- Looks like- No, this- Using this little- No, it is not. Is the access- Are these stairs going up from this direction here? Are these stairs, or what is that little thing? Yeah, I think that's the stairs. I think it's just stairs. They are right next to each other. They're adjacent, but one is not bearing on the other. Those stairs are from- If you- It's hard to tell. That looks like- So they come down. They descend- They come down here to there. They descend right here. The foot of the steps is right there. Right. They come- They come at an angle. They turn- Going from right to the left as you're looking at it. That's correct. Yeah. So they come down from this roof- roofline window. Okay. And then they turn on a platform. The existing overhang, preservation, prevention of the use of incompatible designs of buildings, color schemes, or exterior materials, acceptable location and appearance of all utilities. Is there any lighting next to the doorway? It looks like there's a light coming. So if you take the overhang that with the sidelight, just in the overhang of the state house, let's say not a click, all in favor of the application with- So we would like- There's an existing, actually, if there's some language, at least that was used in the agenda, that isn't quite accurate. It says it regards to a front porch, but actually it's the rear porch. There's an existing rear porch that we'd like to enclose. We'll be doing some kind of foundational work and some structural work to make that viable. But there's an existing roofline there that we'd simply like to enclose and bring into the- it's in the envelope of the building to be incorporated in two areas right through. I'm going to head-case my pivot porch into the inside of the building. It made sense to me to take this opportunity. We're actually- We'd like to move those windows. That existing double casement that you just circled right there, Steve, is in the middle of this wall right here. We'd actually like to spread them out. Main casements? They would remain casements, which is the windows that you would- Same height and width would frame casements. Basically the same as what's there. That existing window is just above an existing countertop. We're proposing to put these existing windows just on the other side. So it'd be roughly the same size, but just spread out. Exactly. Correct. Pretty close to the same dimension. Yes. As far as height goes, yes. Use the wood frame integrities or- We would use- No, we've got those in there as- on the exterior. The exterior integrities, yeah. The wood frame integrity. Exactly. Yes, exactly. I'm assuming this window which will now be on the inside will be gone or- Exactly. You said originally this was a covered- Or not? Originally there's an existing kind of where that single small window is that we're proposing to replace with the double hung. That area there, those flat stock cornerboards, that was all at one point a covered porch. Okay. But some decades. The use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes, or exterior materials, acceptable. Location on appearance of all utilities. Is there any change in lighting for the outside? I meant to also bring that up too. Yeah, then we would like to put a- We'd like to put a, you know, a carriage light just to the- Parklet. It's going to be a proposal that a DRC recommendations city council or the parklet, because that appears in the street right away. This is not an application that gets a zoning permit or goes to DRV. This will be a recommendation for council. Okay. First edit just to be very clear. And I just want to say that the intention of applying for this space is to create with our very, very short window of good weather and good, you know, outdoor seating weather here in downtown Montpelier to create an additional space for the community that benefits the entire community in downtown Montpelier and draws people into Langdon Street, down Langdon Street, so that our neighbors on Langdon Street and our surrounding, you know, business owners and those that work there can all sort of just have more folks on that corner. And I would say that the goal is to create a little bit more seating and while we're open for business, this seating would be for people that are either buying takeout from the takeout window or eating at down home. However, per the new ordinance, the space is open to the community whenever we're not open for business. So anybody can come and sit. And right now a lot of people enjoy our outdoor seating. We're excited about it. We were concerned about making sure that it's safe for those people that are sitting inside the space and also vehicles that are turning the corner. And the first edit that I wanted to point out to you is that the trees, which what I'm talking to gardener supply about is our river birches, that they are actually in planters outside of the parklet space. In the plan here, it appears that they're inside the seating space. And the reason why I want to point that out to you is that the intention is that if a vehicle hit something, it would hit the tree in the planter first and not the people sitting in the parklet. I did speak with Carlo and been draper from PositivePie about this and, you know, it hasn't been an issue with them. But that would be a separate standalone planter. And what we would like to ask is to place them close to where Benchini's trees were placed before, which is more in the triangular space. Just because it gives a buffer of room between the planter and the beginning of the parklet structure, in case something were hit, there's a little bit of space for it to move. And I believe that you did have your structure hit one time. So it's just for safety purposes. And then the reason why we'd like to have one on each side of the parklet is to create some shade. And I think that's also around the issue of safety, just in terms of people that are elderly or dogs, having some space to be that's out of the sun. And another edit that I just wanted to mention to you in terms of the window application. This is a Marvin window. And what we're asking to do is to bring the double-hung windows from the second story down and mimic that. And in the drawing, it appears to be a more modern, you know, looking window similar to like a fast food drive-through. That's not the case. What we're asking to do would be two windows, the same dimensions in terms of, it would be a smaller version of what you see on the second floor. But I just wanted to be clear about that. And then I also wanted to be clear that the rope is intended to make sure that anyone waiting in line stays off of the sidewalk so that that sidewalk is completely clear and open for wheelchairs and traffic to flow. And that's very important. And the sweet peas are something green. That's fun that, you know, would... Those are what are growing on top of it. Right. This is a sweet pea that wouldn't be like a thick, you know, wall of green. You can see through it. It's a little bit transparent. So I'll stop talking and we're very excited and happy to answer any questions that you might have. And also, we would love suggestions from you in terms of your thoughts. And we can answer questions about the structure itself or the window, whatever. Sting window. And it's just highlighted in that drawing to call attention that this is where... It's really much more of a... That window really doesn't fit the downtown as much. The ones that are coming in are much more... Right. So that window looks directly into the kitchen. So this is really exciting for us because people on the sidewalk are going to be able to look directly like a food truck in and see our line cooking. And also, we have just purchased, thanks to my wonderful manager, Maggie, a really great creamy machine. So we can do maple creamies right there at the window. And all the maple syrup will be coming from my farm and my kid's uncle's farm in Calis. So having maple creamies right there and having an existing window that's fixed that can't open, just changing that so that it can open. So the one on the right would be the order window and the one on the left would be the pickup window. And we're developing an app through probably Chow Hound where you can order your food and drinks and pay for it through your cell phone. And that way, you just come and pick it up. So if you want to order, you know, barbecue for dinner, fried chicken for lunch, but you don't have time to eat in and dine in. And the intention is just to speed up service for the community for all those people that are really busy. That would be up to you guys. I mean, we, you know, don't really have authority to... I did look at them and they appear just like the bike locks to, you know, it looks like they would be able to be pulled, but whatever you guys tell us to do. So currently on the side of the building, there are only two parking spaces? There are three. And the reason why we're asking for all three, I just want to be really clear about this, because I understand that the ordinance allows for three more spaces for this season. Tom Cardell from Public Works told me that he would like to see the structure 15 feet off of the back of the building because of the amount of traffic that pulls into the new Union River Outdoors and the backside for deliveries. And so what we need, we're not really able to take up all three, but we would like to have that space for about half of the parking spot would be structure and then space for that additional tree. And I think it's more than just safety. It's also aesthetics, having a really balanced aesthetic when we put this in is very important. So to the eye, you're not really looking at a structure. You're looking at the greenery. You're looking at the trees. You're looking at the historic building and your eye is drawn to the people, the activity. But I really prefer in terms of design to not draw attention to the actual structure just because I think downtown Montpelier is pretty enough as it is. We don't need, you know what I mean? The ideas to look and see what's already existing there. So we just need that third space just because I also think it's a little unsafe to have one of those spaces be for parking just because I've watched so many people out the window at the restaurant over the last three years try to parallel park and not everyone is very good at it. So I think in terms of safety, it would be better not to have someone trying to parallel park right next to all the seating. But again, we're open to what you guys think. It's also very narrow. I just want to be clear about that. This drawing can sort of give you the illusion that you're getting a lot of space. Talia did a great job with it, but it's very, very narrow. So you're literally walking into your table right away and there's not a lot of room in there to walk around. So it's kind of like you're mostly, it's got to be, the space has to be sort of long and along the sidewalk in order to make it worthwhile. And we're proposing using the same beer garden style tables we have in the front just because they're community style and we feel like it'll encourage community people to get to know each other and talk and make new friends and all that fun stuff. So this rendering makes it look as though it's built out of pallets. I'm going to mention something about pallets. Is that the intention that this is all? No, I'll let Talia speak to that partly. And I do want to say this has to do, I think, with kind of like our tractor seats in the restaurant. We want to nod to our concepts, to being down home and being America's smallest capital and agricultural center and the idea of pallets with sweet peas growing out of them. To me, that's the planter. That's not the actual structure. And the idea is to create something that's fun and whimsical, light-hearted. And we have an alcohol license. And as long as the variance goes there and is okay, like the positive piling, you know, people can have a beer and sit outside and it's just, it's country without looking, you know, it's homey without looking to decide the structure and what we're proposing. But it would wrap around the stakes. We would have your garden stakes but painted probably green so that they blend in like we currently do with our tomatoes. And then have some string lights that are battery operated that create a lot of nice up to stake and throughout the trees. And so just creating almost like that backyard feel of being in your backyard. We're not. We're not a place to help light it at night. And then when we slightly try to apply to add some very tasteful and limited lighting directed towards our signs and carry over. But it's pretty well-lit there in the evening. Hopefully we dumps restaurant first. Right. So the sign, we're going to come back and apply for signs later and just so that you know what we're thinking about because Talia just sort of added something but it's not in the application. We're thinking of applying for a blade sign and you can see that on the first page on the corner. There is an existing structure that comes out of the corner where a blade sign did used to hang. So we'll apply for that. Yes, there is. And then we'll be applying for a smaller takeout window for a menu. We haven't decided yet but my hope is that we would do something that could be brought out every morning hung and then brought back inside because I don't really like leaving things out on the sidewalk overnight. Because you have a natural frame there to the right of that. Is that door way unfilled now? Which one are you looking at, Steve? The existing photos. Right, we have... That's a fire speed. It is functional. That was the door to the old basement and we shuttered it so either one of those spots that are shuttered right now would be great for signage but again I lean towards something that would be hung where we would bring it in and change what we're doing and it wouldn't take up the whole space. You said that's a functional doorway. Yeah, you have the door on the right to the right of the tall window. And then you have two windows that were closed off and are clabbered over. Yes, okay. We do have one functional side door and that is another thing. These windows along Langdon in that side door provide really good visibility for our staff inside not just to make sure that areas taste clean which would be our responsibility but also to keep an eye on that sidewalk really closely and make sure that people aren't blocking the sidewalk and it's just managed better. One other quick question are these removable standards for the road area or are you proposing it just looks like there's a pole down end of the sidewalk here. But it's just a freestanding standard. It would be broad end of the night. I like your rendering here. Are you proposing to build the pallets or are you proposing to do it? I think that it was to get but great results. Because then that seems difficult. I mean what I like about this is that everything lines up nicely and that's hard to render. When you go out into the world and collect pallets they're not all going to be constructed the same. Those, yeah, but we've been looking at this definitely. That was the idea that that provides the space for the dirt. Yeah, the space for the dirt. And we have to be aligned so obviously you're not dropping soil straight into something that's good. The dirt will be inside a planter set inside the parklet, correct? My thinking was to staple a biodegradable like you would use when you're like have that lining the inside so you can just drop this soil right in. We don't want to take up so much space that we, you know, there's no point in doing it. So that was the intention behind growing Sweet Peas because there's a very, you know, the root system. They grow quickly but there's not a root system that needs a lot of space to grow. It might be to build a pallet that allow that, like, create the space in there and then something that I presume you want to use this in the future, not just for one season so that it's more sort of easily taken apart and put back together and season it. Our permanent asset to the community I immediately selfishly could see myself there all the time. And then also in, you know, we worked on Down Home years ago when you first applied and when I go into the restaurant and see what Rick and Mary Alice were able to finish it that are in the restaurant, I have confidence that that's about the window or the design or recommendations or ideas that might help us just to make sure that we're thinking about all the needs of the community. Obviously this would be handicap accessible and we would make sure that the space is on the ends of the table. I measured for a table order so that wheelchairs could pull right up to the ends of these tables and same thing with, like, strollers and there's an area for dogs if you want to sit with your dog but anything else where you guys feel like you have something that you've seen in another city or an idea there is an awning also and just to be clear about that it's not going to be badly in the center onto the sidewalk, like I watched it a lot over the last few years not really badly but like if it's raining you don't want to be standing at that window without an awning. So it's not going to be like the awning we currently have which I kept the old frame and we just added a new fabric because I was on a budget and it just drops straight down this awning would just go out a little bit and that just it's a little more space for people to see but visually the awning matches it looks exactly the same as the black frame is that permanently attached or is that just like a review of it? it would be attached similar to the awning that we currently use sometimes I get sick of people saying they're at a restaurant and I'm like really that's all but I do think the awning would be good recharges us what you're using either for the wood or to leave it natural or stained or the wood itself we haven't decided that yet I was really hoping to get suggestions from you guys because during our design review process we talked about I remember you've been specifically having some really good input so we haven't made a decision but I'd love to hear anything in terms of people's experience being around town that works well the weather as well I don't want to do anything that's red or you know looking natural and blending in is the goal but I was hoping that we would get through this and city council and then clear coat the furniture out front right now we do that every year before we put it out or when we put it out just with a boat backer actually it's that for me I guess it just depends on what you have for palettes whether you want to leave them natural or whether you want to leave them spray them all a color of course it depends on what you want we're not making a statement just look nice with the color that you're showing here I like to I'm really excited about the trees I know so many people all the old photographs of Langdon street that I've pulled from the historical society there's just so many trees and there's just so few right now just even just getting people thinking more about the importance of tree planting I'm very excited about that and I watched how many people responded to Ben's it was it was your sculpture but so many people gravitated towards it and just they didn't know why they were doing that but it was amazing to watch that out my window every day seven days a week so I think they were more beautiful than street trees I'm a big fan and one last quick question for my own information the existing window trim around the window there will that be retained is there any lighting on the side of this part of the building now that's there is there are a few light bulbs that are very strangely like sticking out of the trim they're very odd they don't function they don't work and other than that the only lighting on that side of the building is on that side egress that we had to put in we have a cam light in the ceiling that shines down but that's all we have currently comments, questions, suggestions of any kind we established that the deck of the parkway will be the same height as the side that's in the notes wood decking plywood possibly height is a standard from the city it is it was a recommendation from Tom at public works as well we talked also about drainage and just making sure that you never know what the weather questions you guys have been doing this for a while if you're going to do a plywood a marbleized finish that's not a uniform would probably look better with just the smooth surface of a plywood we use a decking material and since you're only 7 feet from here to here you can do that panelized so that in the end of the season when you have to take it up you just move that the whole thing comes apart by the positive right in fact we weren't told that might be the reason why just because this is new they didn't have all the systems down yet for this so I think there's been I'm not going to say anything other than we're very grateful to be here probably trust this expertise we have big suggestions sustaining specific recommendations two separate decisions this is just the parkway just wanted to make sure that was clear for the last couple years which is from 1800 and did an incredible job with the historic preservation of my home and if we ever do anything we spend too much money on it and are too careful about the historic integrity and the type we have a problem with that going the opposite direction the other advantage of building them is that you can make them lighter weight and panelized uniform panelized easier to put together take apart since you're putting this up and taking it down yes I mean I can't tell you guys how many people love the tomatoes that we've grown out front of the restaurant Senator Lakey's wife even had him come and get tomatoes one time and I, you know, kids and older folks and so just having things that are edible on the sidewalk is just so much fun because a lot of people live in town and some people live in apartments and they just don't have garden space so criteria there is compatibility of materials and appearance I think when you're showing this and there's a uniformity to it and a uniformity in color I think that more closely addresses the criteria as far as Langdon Street being the one you want to make as classy as possible and I think that looks really sharp we do we really do we care a lot about this building it's on the National Research we're going to be here a lot far, far after I'm gone hopefully because of all the work we did to the structure in the basement and making sure it doesn't fall into Langdon so we're excited to celebrate it, it's a beautiful building any other comments, questions and what we'll do is we'll go through two parts of the parklet any more comments, questions suggestions for the parklet itself okay I'll run through the criteria one preservation reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of the proposed projects in the historic district and also in the structure the park would be separate I would say it's not applicable to number one harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district based on the drawings I would say that's acceptable compatibility of proposed exterior materials acceptable compatibility of proposed landscaping acceptable prevention of use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials acceptable location and appearance of all utilities again the string lighting battery operated string lighting is acceptable recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant visitors to the gateway views of the city and state house I would say it's acceptable for the parklet comments or suggestions all in favor of the parklet applications which are in parts again this is for the parklet I'll get you to sign up of my name in the lower left corner there proposal to replace the existing window with double hung windows with restaurant takeout awning post road barriers preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of proposed projects in the historic district of hobson structure on the structure that's acceptable harmony of exterior design acceptable compatibility of proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district acceptable compatibility of proposed landscaping none on this part on the landscaping all with the parklet prevention of the use of incompatible designs buildings color schemes exterior materials acceptable location appearance of all utilities acceptable recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant visitors including gateway views of the city and state house acceptable all in favor of the application for the takeout window and associated aspects raise your hand you can sign that one in the same spot we will send the recommendation up to me who is running the parklet process and the other recommendation we will get to Audra and I think that's these are all just permitted uses so I think that would just go out so she asked us to attend the city council meeting on Wednesday and we'll be there and in the meantime we would really appreciate it if everybody would either call me email us or stop by the restaurant when you think of anything you know related to this before we start building because you know I know sometimes I come up with great ideas and not for right time but let us know your thoughts and thank you very much for your time thank you good luck with the project except for there's too much for now and a half but we get pretty close so DRB is waiting for them it was waiting for your recommendation well so we'll run over then Comfort will try to speed it up as much as we can I'll go check with these are the same as you should have received in your packets but I'm just bringing good quality colored versions in case you just to be sure thank you for the time this evening this is should be a fairly simple thing we're not mitigating the entire proposals just for the retaining walls we were unsure this is still in our working with Christ Church to get everything kind of worked out we weren't sure which application to illustrate some of these retaining walls so we didn't talk about it in previous meetings because we were unclear as to whether or not that would be part of a separate application that the church is going to come to you with a separate application for any improvements on their way in the meantime we were asked by the development review board to at least show how this could work and so we're showing stuff on the church lamp just to illustrate that this all comes together if that makes sense to you we'll make sure we acknowledge that so the proposal before you is for retaining walls there are four distinct retaining walls in this application and I don't know why we never spoke before but they are two at the western end of the site one attached to the proposed hotel building the other one attached to the original Capitol Plaza building and then there's a retaining wall down in this corner here that is a result of the Mike Maff project and this retaining wall set up here that we're going to talk about to separate the Capitol Plaza property from the Christ Church property in the short term released when this project gets built we'll be raising grade in order to comply with your floodplain regulations and so we need to do a little more to transition back to that it will be in September and they have to build a building they might it could be there forever we should acknowledge that but if everything goes well for the church at some point there's going to be an apartment building here so we're proposing two different ways the west end of the site where these retaining walls are attached to the major structures we're proposing casting place concrete walls and those are illustrating for you we'll observe a page with 101.2 the red shaped retaining wall you see on the top of the page relates to the east end of the hotel here that's simply to allow us to there's a change of grade as we ramp up to the floor elevation and this is just to help with that transition it's meant to be an exposed architectural grade concrete and it's going to take a little bit of effort to get that out of the contractor but it'll have to be robbed if it needs to be filled the idea is that it's a continuation of the foundation of the building it's as you walk up the hill we all know what kind of concrete you normally get around here it's just for something like that we'll babysit it to get in the case of the L-shaped retaining wall that's attached to the original capital plaza building this is using okay I'm sorry and then on page 101 you see the retaining wall at the top of the page which is we don't need to do this but because the bike path comes in the bike path is raising great because they're coming from over the river and so this retaining wall is basically meant to to elevate the balance of the site up to match up with the bike path between the garage with that wall we've been able to create a little area for the bikers and a little pocket park there if you look at the plan and coordinating with STANTEC and the city everyone is very excited about it this is a block wall yeah that'll be a block wall yeah the idea is unit block walls for all of the west wing one there I actually have a product here we've been sort of working through pricing coming up with it the idea is that we would do one of the pitched phased and then the steel mountain is the color that we've chosen so far and this will be sort of what it looks like we wanted to use a modular system especially in here because there's the possibility that if that ever gets rearranged we might have part we can just lift them apart there's nylon pins that hold them together generally add to it or subtract from it do they batter back somewhere on the larger walls there'll be a slight batter to them on the smaller walls we don't think so so on the 6th wall we think there'll be a batter a lot of structural will have to that would be here before we go ahead and sell that especially important to pay attention to this elevation looking west from the church parking lot that's been an ongoing concern I think it's why we're still talking to you but it shows that there's basically a maximum exchange of grade of 2.5 feet so we've worked hard internally on the grading of the project so that that transition from the hotel property to the church has been mitigated down to a maximum of 2.5 feet and like I said as the church's plans for their apartment project evolve and stuff that'll be a separate application what we wanted to do is to show what we would do today to make things right with the church as they stand really in the end only involved about 34 yards of fill which was about 3 truck loads and a little bit of pavement change none of the fill section will come anywhere near the historic structures this has been designed to make sure that an ADA accessible route will remain from Stick Street to the back door of the church and I think it respects existing accessible ramp to the back of the church hall and it also has well away from any underground storage tanks so it's fairly modest in this proposal and I think it would be attractive it's creating a far safer access to that church so we just that's the long and the short of it here are the materials which we can pass around James, I would answer questions that's correct does anybody understand the extent of the walls it's really not in the civil drawings it's a little clear I have my record it's not highlighted that's where it is they're easier to read 24x36 but I wanted everybody to have one essentially there's a bend in the fence right now that goes around the memorial garden there's a big kink in that wooden stockade fence and the retaining wall would start here next to nothing and then as great comes up will that retaining wall affect the the existing vegetation that's on the church lot now well not the notable things are those big white arbor mites those big white cedars that are sort of between the fence and the Capitol Plaza the wall starts after all of that so we're building now in an area where existing the parking surface comes right up to that fence but in this proposal we're pulling that curb line back onto our property okay so the fence remains and the wall would be on the parking lot side of the fence up against the fence no it'd be on our property it needs to turn there's the existing fence it's currently up to the fence so they're going to pull it back onto their property and open up an area that's known so there'll be a couple of three feet or whatever and then at the top of the wall some prickly plants so that we don't have to put a rail in there so we can screen the view to the parking lot a little bit one of the other choices for the masonry block wall is that it will require less of a toe footing so we will be putting that vegetation far less than if it was cast in place so the civil drawings show a series of small yard drains in that interstitial space there just to keep it from becoming a block and to prevent any water from infiltrating into the memorial garden so there'd be drainage in there that diverts it off to one direction or the other anyway it will tie into the stormwater system we have a fairly large catch basin right here where all these loads come together and it will just drain into that catch basin which has plenty of input it's the pinched face series and it's the gray one it's called steel mount this was selected in part because public works reached out to us we've been coordinating with stamp tech on James we've been coordinating with them on the bike path part and that's what they've already spec'd for retaining wall that's going to be happening on the city's marking block it's a unit block wall yeah we're working with them to get that work but it's the same block it's the same block so it's fairly resistant to snow removal yeah it's an autoclave cast concrete 10,000 psi it's very very strong this is a church giving any feedback on on any of the proposed retaining walls you know we continue to dialogue with the church we their team and the capital clauses legal team are working out at MOU now mostly the sticking points are around shared costs and some other things but no there's been there's been a very vigorous ongoing conversation between ourselves and the church I just was wondering if you've gotten any serious pushback from them about any of the proposed retaining wall of the church obviously they hired engineering to conduct an independent review of the proposed changes we modified the work to address the concerns raised by EV so like I said I think ultimately the church will be coming in with some kind of application for the portions of this that need to happen on their land the drainage and some things like that hopefully that'll be a fairly minor affair no I I think at this point we're down to cross eyes comments, questions, suggestions for many one about the proposed retaining walls okay we'll run through the criteria for this preservation a reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of the proposed projects in the historic district involves an historic structure acceptable harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district acceptable compatibility proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district acceptable compatibility proposed landscaping with the district acceptable prevention of the use of incompatible designs, building, color schemes or exterior materials acceptable location and appearance of all utilities, no additional lighting proposed other than what was the original no other changes other than these walls no recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant VISTAs including gay reviews of the city and state house acceptable all in favor of the application as proposed sign that again, I'm going to get Mr. Bichard to sign that because there are only two of us here that are around the list Eric and Ted Liz are not here any other business anything to end up, do I hear a motion to adjourn so moved do I hear a second all in favor of adjournment raise your hand meeting is adjourned