 All right, welcome back. It's still the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. We'll be talking politics next. We'll be talking about the crack in the APC as the crisis gets messier, as a faction nullifies a bonus committee. And we have a guest joining us all the way from Abuja. We have a prince, most of our defactional chairman of that particular committee. Good morning to you. Our prince, our defense, is joining us on the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Prince Aldi, can you hear us? Yes, I can hear you. All right, good morning. Yeah, good morning to you too. We had you on the show, Justin, last weekend, that you talked about plans to suck. That's how some papers have captioned that what happened yesterday. The Bhuni-led committee and them. Indeed, to your threat, it has actually been actualized. So tell us, really, because a lot of people are saying that the crisis in your party has actually become messy. So what exactly is the situation as we speak? I don't know if you can hear me clearly. Loud and clear. So basically, with the use of the APC, we've watched a lot of problems happening in our party. And we're not happy. We're not happy over a long period of time. Nigerians came together to support Prince and Mama Di Bonari and the APC into power. But the moment the APC came into power, certain forces decided to work against the president and work against the party. These things have led to a lot of hardship in Nigeria and a lot of hardship in our party. Now a committee was set up by Mr. President in June 2020 and given a mandate of six months to deliver a convention. As we speak, it's 18 months and there is no convention. And as young people, we are tired of seeing things happen the wrong way and not do anything about it. They keep telling us, we are the leaders of the future, leaders of tomorrow, but this tomorrow has never come. We have never seen that tomorrow. So as youth in the APC decided that this is our tomorrow, we are going to take leadership positions now. In January, we wanted to hear these issues and we went to Mr. President and he asked us to go ahead and do things differently so that we can get different results. We went around the whole country meeting differently under the guidance of the APC. Everywhere we went and we met no more Nigerians, they were angry. But to us, this was encouraging because you are really angry at someone you love. If you don't love somebody, if you don't even care about the person, sorry. Go ahead, go ahead. Okay, so this is why we are just decided to make a difference. We decided that we should stand up and fight for what we believe in. Now, since we got up, we realize that after studying our constitution, there are a few things that we're doing that against our constitution. The current CCCP that was set up or the previous CCCP that was set up by Mr. President had a governor leading it. And according to our constitution, you cannot be a governor and hold another executive position. This is the famous in the Nigerian constitution. As the youth, we voiced this concerns but it fell on deaf ears. We met some ministers who in the APC who said they are comfortable. They will never, ever give up power. They enjoy this Irene. They enjoy everything. So after analysis of those, we realized there's no room for us. And this is the part of the deal. We are not going anywhere. So we decided to challenge them, set up the date of our convention in February, last Saturday, in Canada, we set the date of our convention. The governor quickly met in Asokoro and went on Sunday and the next day after they went to Mr. President and said the party has picked February. We knew this was an attempt to silence us as young people because come 31st of January, there will be another postponement. So we don't believe. So we set up our own CCCP to begin reconciliation and to begin to plan for this. And we picked the date, February 26th. This is the last half of the day of February, meaning that we have given no wiggle room. And since we did this, the most unfortunate thing has happened. First of all, our current secretary, or now former, Senator Akpano, who is a PDP man. He was a PDP Senator from 99 to 2003 and a PDP Minister of FCT, Minister of State for FCT, between 2007 and 2008. He came out officially under the APC platform and discredited us. He said, we are not APC members. We have never been APC members. We are not registered to the party and he has asked the DSS to arrest us. As we are speaking, the DSS has been mobilized. And they said they would arrest us. Why? Because we simply want youth involvement in governance and in the APC. And Senator Akpano would go to them. And the rest of the PDP men that have infiltrated APC and brought hardship to Nigerians will not allow this to happen. So this is why we are doing this. We're doing this for you. We're doing this for all Nigerians. We're doing this for all young people. It is our time to be involved in leadership. That is all. What is the crime? Most of it, most of it, I'll do. Can you please hear me? So if that is the crime, please arrest us. Most of it, I'll do. I'd like to come in at this point. You have mentioned, and this is not the very first time in different platforms, the concern is that the young people in the party are not carried along. And we're definitely going to get to the point where the issue of being part of the party membership or whether you're part of the support group and what a viewer. But just as consents have been raised as regards who empowers, because if we look at the country, the constitution governs the affairs of the country. And so for at the party level, you also have the party constitution that everyone should abide. So you rather say that's the Bible or the Quran of the party. But the consents are you have this banned, according to you, some disbandment of the KTACA committee that was constituted by Mr. President himself, President Mohammed Buhari. Now the question is on whose authority are you deriving all of that powers? Are you walking on? Because we know that NEC has actually empowered. Empowers, NEC is a body that's empowered in part of the organs of the party to constitute committees and as well as conducts conventions. So under whose authority are you thriving and walking on? You know, you're right. The constitution of the APB is what we should all abide by. It is what guides us. Without the constitution, it is more or less a jungle. So now if you follow the constitution, article 17, subsection one says the Nigerian constitution is paramount. Meaning that nothing in the APB constitution is above the Nigerian constitution. If you go further down, subsection four, you will see that it says that no executive governor of the party can hold another executive position concurrently. What are executive positions in a political party? Chairman, secretary, organizing secretary. These are the three executive positions in a political party. Then the Nigerian constitution, I think 184 or 187, I'm not quite sure, I forget now, says that no governor can hold another executive position in any capacity. No sitting governor can hold any other executive position in any capacity. Then number three, that term, the C-E-C-P-C, it is foreign to the APC constitution. There is no page in the APC constitution for the Nigerian constitution that talks about the C-E-C-P-C. It is an entity, a body that does not exist. It is foreign to both the Nigerian constitution and the APC constitution. Number four, you spoke about the neck. Neck is the constituted authority in the parties to issue things like that, to create committees such as the C-E-C-P-C. Now the neck starts and created the C-E-C-P-C led by Mr. President and gave them a six month mandate. Now, in order for there to be an extension, the entire neck must sit again and give them another mandate. But you see, the neck didn't sit. They went to Mr. President for an extension, at a further six month extension. And because we love Mr. President, as party men, we agree. But now, this has been almost two years. No result, no attempt to do anything. So therefore, the APC constitution mandates us, the Nigerian constitution mandates us as citizens who see something wrong. You must stand up against it. It's equivalent to a citizen's arrest. If you see a criminal operating, it is your fiduciary duty to stop that criminal from operating according to the Nigerian constitution. Therefore, according to our own APC constitution and Nigerian constitution, if you see something going wrong, it is your fiduciary duty to stand against it and make a change. Mustafa, I'm not an advocate. This change we are asking for due inclusion in governor, in leadership. The APC has 27 NWC positions, which is National Working Committee. All we said is, they vying. The deputy give it too hard. We're not even asking for substantial. We didn't ask for chairman, secretary organizing, treasurer, we didn't ask for any of that. All we said is, those deputy positions, they call deputies on our chairman, deputy auditors, deputies, deputies that to allow for young people to begin to understudy their leaders in real capacity. FACA is glorified house boy and house girl. We don't want. Mustafa, Mustafa, I'll do. Mustafa, I'll do. So that we can actually, I mean, so we can, we're having a conversation and of course it has to be, you know, two way thing. Now, you rightly mentioned that, you know, the president, Mohammad Abouhari, constituted the Ketika Committee and gave them a mandate. And now you also mentioned that, you know, there's a NEC. So NEC is actually asking for an extension. And don't you think that, you know, your actions and that of your group, you know, is contrary to, you know, the leaders of the party, the fact that you still have NEC and it's not like NEC is not in existence and all they're asking is an extension. I am not a spokesperson of the APC or NEC, but I'm just putting out some of these issues. And don't you think that the actions by your group is further dividing the party, you know, and costing more crisis? And maybe, you know, a disrespect because you constantly mentioned the fact that Mr. President has given the mandate, gave you the mandate and asked you. So would you say that the president asked that you disband, you know, the committee, there should be disbandment of the committee that he set up? Did the president also ask that you should install yourself as a ketica committee and go ahead with the convention? This are some of the things we'd like to get clarity on. Of course not. I have never made such a representation that Mr. President said we should disband the committee. No, what I've said and what I'll continuously say is that Mr. President asked us to do things differently. Now, whether we want to be honest with ourselves or not, what we have done has been like a joke to the APC. It is a complete wake-up call. Because we did what we did is why there is a February day. Because we've done what we've done, the APC has begun to move. In the last few days, there have been meetings between governors, ministers, quickly on how to sample out. As I speak to you, yesterday, a force was mobilized, almost 40 from the DSS, which dropped everything to arrest us. But the fear was that if they do this, young people will see that this is what our way to them should basically want to be involved in leadership. So that is why that wasn't done. Today, we have to be invited and arrested. Why? Why? Because we are speaking the truth. Because no one else wants to say there is a problem. There is a problem. Whether we want to be honest or not, Nigeria is not doing as good as it should. APC is not doing as good as it should. And the reason why are because of some bad elements. The good ones are not picking up. So where does that leave us as young people? This is all. So the next is the authority. But the next authority was for six months. Mr. President's authority he gave to them was for 12 months. So they have been acting illegally on behalf of our party all this while. But you're not sure, Mr. Aldo. And the question that I know is the saboteur of our party is the PDP man, Teneco Akan Udo Tehe. He is a PDP man. All right, Prince Aldo, if I have to just vote in here, like you said, the CEBC has been acting illegally. But then again, you also said that the NEC or some high ranking party members have been looking at getting you guys arrested. But what legal justification do they have to even make such arrest? And then again, from all indications, now what we have or what we see from the sideways is that there are two leaders or two factions right now in the APC. Who should members hold allegiance to? Is it the boonie led in the committee or your committee? Because right now it is looking so messy. To be honest, right, they have no authority, no legal authority to arrest us. We've not committed any crime. There's nothing in the constitution that exists such as CCCC. So we're not doing anything against it. We're honest and loyal party men. All we ask for was inclusion. The moment we ask for inclusion, then it's our Akbar Nudo there said there will never be any room for us. And that if we continue, we will be arrested. This is what the current secretary of the APC has promised us an arrest. And he's been acting on it. We have been contacted by the DSS yesterday that they were to raid us. But because the problem might be a bit too much if they raid us, young people will now know that there is an issue. That's why they didn't raid us. So we expect to be arrested today. But there's nothing wrong with that. Please arrest us. We will continue to see young people are watching all over the country. I'm not the type. We are not the type to give up. We are not the type to say bye bye, let us bring another party, PDP. No, this is APC. This PDP guy must leave. And we must do the right thing. Mr. President wants the right thing. I think we lost our prince, I'll do that. Because mercy, this whole, we had talked about this just last week when he said that they were going on ahead to constitute your own committee and insist on getting your own, their conference next year, February 26th. But all of this right now, in my opinion, it's actually painting the wrong picture. I really do not see how, because the issue right now with prince, most of it I'll do, those in this particular group, what they are doing, as much as the concerns that they have raised might be valid, but the mode of operation, modus operandi, seem not to be correct. And I do not see how you correct a wrong with a wrong. So if you have a wrong situation, you don't go by correcting a wrong situation with another wrong action. Two wrongs that they can never make a right. So as much as young people would always say, because the clause again comes with the young people, the young people. I do believe in the young people, and I know that the agenda of the young people is actually very strong, but we're still very bent on the pattern and the approach that you are using and you and the group. Now, you have said that you have sacked the committee that was set up by Mr. President, and of course the parallel leadership that has been instituted. Does the parallel leadership that has been instituted, of course, which you are part of, do you have the right to conduct the convention? You have stated that the convention will be conducted on the 26th of February, 2022nd. That's the first question to you. Mustafa, are you still on the line? I am, I am. All right, so I'd like you to respond to that. And secondly, maybe before you respond to that question, it feels like the issue of no cohesion in the group. There's no unity and issue of communication. Apart from this action that you have actually taken, have you made effort, members of your group made any effort to reach out to those who are saddled with your authority? Mr. President himself, leaders of this party, and including the ketika committee. First of all, thank you. These are two very pertinent questions. Number one, you, like you said, you cannot correct a wrong with a wrong. You know, sometimes when you see that you are heading for a crash, imagine, for example, you're sitting at the back of the car. You are in the back seat, you're not supposed to drive. But if the driver falls asleep on the wheel and the car is about to crash, if you don't put your hand on the wheel to try and save the vehicle, it will crash and all of you may be injured or may, you know, work in scenarios or whatever. Do you understand? So this is what is going on. We are not doing an illegality to correct an illegality. No, we are breaking some eggs to make a nice problem. That's all. What we have done has given a real joy to our party leaders. Stop being selfish. Stop thinking about yourself alone. They are Nigerians, they are young Nigerians who love this party, who love this country, who have the capacity to make things different. Engage them, involve them, bring them into this process. Leadership is a collective process. Let us do the work. You, the other one, take the credit for it. We don't care about the credit. We just want to work. But there is no room. There is no space. They tell you to waste your time. Generations before us have been wasting their time. We are still wasting, our children are now wasting. The younger ones right behind us are now wasting and guess what? Things are failing all around us. So how can you keep quiet and watch this happen? How? You can't do that. The second one, in terms of consultation, try out today. We start at number one with the president in January. We've got the, I believe the only group that we, the only person we have met is maybe the vice president, but we've met many House of Rep members. We've met almost everybody in the party. Like I said, Senator Afan Odehen, who is the secretary of the PDP man. We met him at the office of the secretary in March of April. And he told us that what we are doing is not new. Him and his other PDP colleagues, with our James Zibori, Jonah Duke, Odius O'Khanu and other businessmen such as Zangote, came together in 99 and said nobody over 50 will enter politics and gain power when the military were handing over. So he did this under PDP. So he told us what we are doing is not new. Go and fight for it, but nobody will give you. So what do we do? We are not going to give it to us. They keep telling us to wait for the future. A future that will never come. And everything is failing. And our children are looking up to us to deliver a better country for them. This is what has brought us to this point. Now, because we've done this, there's been meetings. There have been people. To his credit, Meemala, his excellency Meemala Bonin reached out to us and said let's have a meeting on Sunday evening. And we agreed to the meeting. But you know what the problem is? He's in Saudi Arabia. He's in Medina right now as we speak. Or now in Mecca. When we spoke, he was in Medina. So how can you be fixing our problems from Medina? You need to be here. You need to face what is going on. You need to tackle the issues here. This was a problem. This is why we had no meeting with him. Other leaders have said to reach out that we should have meetings. But Senator Aqwanudu Odehe has mobilized the DSS and they are intent, him and a few others are intent on arresting us. The deputy governor of Kobiti organized press men yesterday. In Kobiti, at the APT Secretariat, to discredit me and say I'm not an APT man. I don't have a membership card. I'm not part of it. I'm not part of it. But when they were collecting 22.5 million from me for form, for a piece of paper, so that I could run for governor, under Mr. President not too young to run bill, what did they do? Did this enfranchise me? Deleted my signature, hid my best certificate and removed me from the race. So that I don't add value to the APT, to Nigeria. All right, Prince Ali, from all that you've said, from all the foregoing, it is really clear there is no love lost relationship amongst most members of the APC. But with your approach, with all that you have done and said over time, and with threats of arresting you and some of your other colleagues, how do you see all of this ending? Do you see a favorable disposition of the neck towards some of the young people in the APC? And do we see all of these issues being resolved in no time? I honestly believe there's a simple solution to this. The neck should meet and ratify our CEPC. That's all. Because we don't violate the constitution. Anything we do, all the neck has to do is sit down and say, okay, and that's all. If the neck sits down and acts on what Ezekians in Memalabuni is doing or has done, the danger is that the PDP, once the election is done, will take us to court to try and take demand from the court. Just like what happened in those days. Today, Governor Hatteridolu is the governor, simply because Memalabuni was not joined at the party to the case. And by law, you cannot pass judgment behind somebody's back. The person has to be present and has to be party to that case because he must be given rights of free trial. This is why we didn't lose on those days. So there is a risk. See, I've worked so much for this party. I've done so much. My dad, late friends, had back around and died for APC. Died to bring APC to Kogi State and remove the PDP. I don't have a choice, but to give everything I have to the APC. Okay, so let's also find out. You've mentioned that. You've mentioned that as a way of resolving all of this issue that neck would need to sit. And why is neck not sitting at this point in time? Is neck not aware? Is Mr. President and leaders of your party not aware of the situation that's on going? Mustafa Aldu, Prince Mustafa Aldu, can you hear me? Yes, I will talk for a while for your part. Okay, so my concern is you mentioned in the course of our conversation that neck, as a way of resolving the issue, neck would need to meet. And my question is why has neck not met? Is neck not in the know of what's going on right now with all of this parallel factions and creation and all that's going on? Just like you just array in the party, they are many factions, they are issues. So because of these issues, the neck have been unable to put our house in order and sit down for a visit. And we are all watching and watching and watching. Opposition is laughing and laughing and laughing. They know they are agents that they put in the APC. They are working, they are working, they are working. And also young stakeholders who don't have anywhere to come to, where am I going to begin? My whole life is APC. Where am I going to go? I believe in the APC. Where should I go? If I build in a house and some squatters come to take over your house, should you walk outside and say, well, let's do the right thing? Or should you push them out? This is the issue they have squatters in our party and the one that we have identified. And we know he is a CDP man through and through and agents of your position, Senator Aqan Udo Udehe. He had to destroy the APC. He had to destroy the walk-up with the president. And some of us will not go quietly. So, Senator Aqan Udo Udehe, please send the DSS to arrest us. We are waiting for that arrest. As young people, we are tired. Prince Mustafa Adu, Prince Mustafa Adu, we would have to let you go at this point in time. And Placibia Africa would also make her effort to reach out to Senator Aqan Udo Udehe to also get his side of the story. Please stick around. When we return, we'll definitely head straight to the second conversation. We'll be right back.