 I was faced with a challenge when my wife found out she was going to be doing her residency at the University of Michigan and we lived in Chapel Hill at the time and I was about a year and a half away from completing my doctorate degree. And so we had to move, I had to figure out how to be able to complete that while I was in Michigan and my program was at UNC Chapel Hill. And so that was one of the first pieces of the challenge and then shortly after being up there I found out I was going to be taking a new job as Deputy Superintendent. We found out we were going to be having our first child and I was about six to eight months away from completing my dissertation. So what I really thought about was okay, can I get this done? Should I just stop? And instead of doing that, I decided to think about small periods of time that I had to do to complete the work that I needed to get done to get to the end of my dissertation. So rather than giving up, I just looked at it as well look I have about six to nine months I think I can do just about anything for that and so I just focused all my effort and time on that goal and when I was literally right before my daughter was born I completed the final draft of the dissertation. So I was able to get that work done and at that point felt really good about not stopping and doing what has helped me I believe get to where I am today. You know I think if I could go way back to the very start I might have put more effort on the front end of the doctoral program as opposed to sort of being faced with some obstacles and challenges I didn't expect and then having that process be truncated and having to really work my tail off for a short period of time to get where I needed to be so if I could look all the way back I would think about when you're starting something maybe thinking about it at the very beginning of you know putting that effort in on the front end because you never know what challenges you're going to face on the longer term that may throw you off your path so if you can put the effort in from the beginning you may not or you may be better prepared to face those obstacles when they you know come and they almost always do.