 Where the Mac lab was located was a professional medical building medical locks and you can attest to the Unpickable nature of a medical lock. They were medical locks. I remember that and in the lab Phillips actually carried a key that was the door key for all though the rooms inside of the lab and one night After a long day of testing and where nothing really happened. I guess something spectacular happened because we got a call Very early the next morning. It said it looked like a psychic tornado had hit the Mac lab Objects were moved around spoons and forks were bent There was actually things that had happened inside of a sealed laboratory that they had had and they were very amazed by this and they really Kind of put that or gave credit to the fact that it was like in their own words a psychic tornado Hit hit but it was the cause of us building up all of our energies that day and being frustrated by not having it work And it hit at night. Yeah, now the fact was I Couldn't pick the locks as you know, I used to be an escape artist I couldn't pick the locks to get into the lab But I could leave one of the windows open and Steve and I at two in the morning slipped into the lab Twisted all the metal we could find to move the objects around change the times on the clocks and then surreptitiously Got out of the building without leaving any trace of that and the next morning when you came in to see the site of the crime You carefully locked the the window again. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, remember Doors are made to keep people out as much like a safe not made to keep you in true So the doors would lock behind us as we left so we entered through the window Left through the doors. Everything was locked up the scene of the crime was pristine. I did not know that that's a very good I also did that tried to do that once on an individual trip when I was down there Did the same entry method did the same committed the same crime Got ready to leave looked at the window to make sure it was locked And there's two big black Footmarks because it was a garden level office where I had crawled in through the window from the bottom of my shoes Down the wall Fortunately, there was a supply closet with a lot of paper towels and 409 so at 2 30 in the morning I was washing the walls of the Mac lab and to this day. They probably don't know that that happened They probably have a wash them since you probably have But now you see folks we're preparing this bit of a videotape and impromptu videotape as you see In order that you can begin to recognize just how easy it was for these so-called Psychics the two kids that went into the Mac lab there. It was named after McDonald by the way just in case you're wondering They got in there they went in there then they got in there later on by surreptitious means as you've heard They got in there and they did these things and they did stuff right in front of the scientists as well There were so simple and direct, but the scientists never caught them because as Mike said earlier They don't look for the the these the racks that they're using experiments or the rabbits or whatever They don't look for them to play tricks on them But human beings will do that now do you recall? The thing where you had a Polaroid camera and a picture was taken I believe it was it was a picture of you and a ghost appeared on your shirt Do you actually it was my face that was ghosted on the sweater of somebody else Exactly right so yeah, it was a black sweater Yeah, and you took a picture with the Polaroid camera had you made a double exposure and the double exposure was of you Yes, it was it was actually angled from the camera down here angled up at my face I see and then just the picture taken and then we set the camera there Waited for somebody else then to take a picture of somebody So we didn't touch the camera as far as they knew the magic was already done 15 minutes earlier Because in those days you could make a double exposure on a Polaroid, but they didn't know that they didn't know they didn't try to take a test picture first And then do the subject picture so instead once they pulled it out let it develop Then there's this ghost-like image that was there that it was distorted just enough you couldn't tell who it was Another miracle yeah, and of course they raved over that. Oh, of course of course It was something simple as as the if you remember the old bell jar Oh, yes, which was the which was a glass dome Set it with a wooden base and a spindle Inside of it. They coated the bottom with aluminum Why? Trying to make it non-magnetic, but it was a paper rotor and you'd set this bell jar on top of the The ridge of this basically like a one of those old Clock watch clock crystal and and all of a sudden we were able to start moving the rotor inside of there How did you do it Mike? Well, how about it? I? Can't come up with that. I can't claim credit for that technique. It was actually Steve Oh, what he learned was if you set it in and you didn't really seat that bell jar inside of there it would actually leave a little bit of a crack and just by Licking his lips keeping his mouth open just a little bit He could breathe on that the air would hit the jar go right underneath the crack and Cause that rotor to spin and if he turned his head to the other side. He would go the other way So now needless to say that was very impressive and this is on the Oh, this is how the tabs. Yeah on the Mac lab tape on the Mac lab. Yeah, isn't that incredible? And it was something just as simple as blowing up. Yeah, but we know other psychics I mean professional psychics out there who do it for I was gonna say for real they do it for real money The professional psychics have their use tricks very similar to that in many cases. I'm really you know it's kind of disappointing that you say that because We never got paid for ours and I thought we were pretty good. I thought I'm going to a check maybe we should Maybe we should have gone in business for ourselves. Yeah. Yeah Well, you're in a business right now, but we might not mention that but the point is that yeah Yes, that's the point of course folks that Well, I myself could have become a psychic a long long time ago if I'd had the The nerve and if I'd had they the will to be deceptive and really cheat and lie to people as a magician Yes, I cheat and lie, but I do it for purposes of entertainment. That's what we do in the trade Absolutely, right and though Mike is no longer a magician. You don't have to worry. Don't guard your wallet. Well. Oh, hey You're lucky for this head. Yeah. Yes. Thank you I must say that I think we're all fortunate that the alpha kids didn't decide to take off and go out on their own because when discover magazine and Time magazine had all of these these these national Media outlets featured you and you were on the today show and So at our own 60 minutes special I'm 60 minutes special. That's right. Magic or miracle magic or miracle. That's true All of these things if you had Maintained the masquerade you two guys could have become a great team and gone out there and made a small fortune now better Check Steve Shaw is doing very well for himself as a medallist But as you know, he's very careful to say that all of what you've seen here is accomplished by trickery I am not a mentalist. Pardon me. I'm not a mind reader. I'm not a psychic I'm a mentalist and a mentalist simply means a magician who performs in such a way that you think it's all done with the mind that's not true folks and Honest mentalist out there will confess that to you very easily and should admit it right up front Mike I'm not going to keep you much longer because I want to save the rest for the book. Okay, I'm so I don't think you've plugged the book yet, though. Maybe you should know I should Like thank you for coming by it's a great way to see you after all these years on behalf of Myself, I know I speak for Steve and I know I speak for the community out there the skeptical community We wouldn't be in this position without you without you Excuse me with you out your guidance. I'm getting a little choked up without your leadership without your drive your determination As I said it was 27 years ago that we completed project alpha and you've only gotten more more driven More entrenched and more committed to this cause so on behalf of all the skeptics out there I'd like to thank you for your It's been a pleasure talking with Mike Edwards one of the original alpha kids This was an impromptu tape just bundled together this afternoon with the assistance of our our very fine videographer here and We we thank everybody for their patience over the last few minutes And if you have comments to make on this I'd be very will be both be very pleased to hear your comments Meanwhile, my book will be coming out in about a year or so. Oh, I didn't I was gonna remind Thank you. Thank you very much. My thanks But I asked you to take a look at that and see the the true story of the whole alpha hoax It's a good story. It's a major chapter in my book, and I hope you'll be reading it. Ladies and gentlemen I'm James Randy. This is Mike Edwards, and we bid you bye. Bye We thank you for watching this latest episode of James Randy speaks for more of James Randy and the educational foundation Make sure you visit Randy.org You