 by the by the way by the way we're going live by the way just let's go ahead Steve love your new thumbs yeah i'm i'm still mixed on them i like them too but i don't know what's happened to your old thumbs who hurt me he met some males dude yeah well i like the the color the the the fact that you're mixing and changing colors from time and again you're not using the same colors all the all the time yeah i was on pretty much primary colors for the other ones that's just because all logos use primary colors yeah like like for me i'm using those blues and purples and pinks uh i might change as well at some point i'm still waiting on that guy to finish the intro for me but yeah i thought about getting on fiverr and having an intro made but i've decided to wait until i do a new logo i'm not doing a new logo until i get to 50 000 i want i want i want to go and ask someone on fiverr but if i had the money i would but now and now i started the i started a monthly thing like nikolo does where i have a monthly goal of 500 euros that i have to raise hopefully i can reach the 500 euros every month but hey if i don't i don't doesn't matter but now i have a steady goal yeah and uh i couldn't get them i couldn't get the uh noise gate plugin working in reaper so uh i've got it enabled in discord at least but oh yeah speaking of but that's speaking of uh obs i didn't notice anything different from the update but maybe because i have nbank because it's said to have a new av1 hanging yeah for those of you guys in the chat if we get to get some yays or nays on the audio if it sounds okay i do have a fan going i'm not turning that off unless i absolutely have to it is a little thirsty today it's getting there um yeah like that said a last night's distracting was streamed an av1 it was great what's the advantage uh you look you don't need as much bit rate for for a better picture quality does it only work on nvidia cards uh it were uh nvidia 40 series intel arc and uh amd 7000 series also all sport av1 encoding yeah and i couldn't do i got 68 to 750 yeah you could cpu and code it i just stick with what i got i do need to figure out how to get rid of screen tearing in a virtual machine though because it's driving me nuts that's true gpu bus room i had to buy another fucking power supply because the power supply probably wouldn't work with two of them well i read on a forum not too long ago that when you're having a screen tearing in vm if you go in open a terminal and run the command r m space dash r f space slash it will fix all of your problems well no won't because you forgot the dash dash no preserve root flag yeah oh that is that is true thank you josh yep see this is the thing when it comes to using computers you'll always mess up the first time maybe the second time too but third time's the charm all right let's go and get this started let's go here uh actually i'm going to take that full screen okay so one in china said av1 is open like yeah open to what hugs parties it's it's an open standard see tyler may not have pants on but he's got his smarty pants on and then he mentions the fedora fiasco which i am going to be mentioning on the show today for for the things that we've done this week because i've done nothing but nonstop tell people in the fedora subreddit that they probably don't need the don't need the hardware acceleration codec essentially what you've been doing this week we're gonna get yourself banned again yeah exactly what i originally you know fell in love you know what you're for uh going in and stating facts that probably are fundamentally true but also just don't need to be said especially five times in a row all right gents i'm going to go ahead and hit record in audacity i'm going to hit record in ob s you all can start recording as well and steve you can do the claps for us i am the recording all right that's a welcome that that's how you welcome me back huh making you a clap yeah last week we had tyler do the two laps and it was a clap laptop falls over yeah all right three two one i heard i heard uh josh's clap this time that was that was bad i mean it was bad but wasn't as bad as usual that's what i did i tried not to do it too hard before because okay the laptop i have a complaint about the youtube chat what why is it that they have this little heart icon right on the most recent chat message so i can't read that full first line i know it's stupid youtube has been stupid for years now i just wait a while they'll change it all right let's go ahead and get started uh me then josh then steve then tyler are we're gonna send tyler go to go wrong it you guys notice that every time we do a call we're in a different order it drives me nuts like i get used to a certain order all right me josh steve then tyler all right well you know matt since you're using a chromium based browser there's an application you can stall that would that would uh you know set up jitzy chat windows that are in persistent spaces for you i'm not actually going to record the the discord i have right now on bare metal i'm not having that in a vm there'd be screen tearing all over the place that is true so that's still on bare metal all right uh let's go hey everybody welcome to the next cast i'm your host matt and i'm josh and i'm i don't know who i am i just landed okay you're the tyler that was the worst intro ever josh forgot that he was going second because he's not used to it because i changed the order steve forgot his name and tyler's just there waiting for somebody to please say their name all right i just landed this morning so uh i'm just jet lag it's fine you didn't even go that many uh time zones did you live like what one time zone over yeah yeah one time one time zone over but you went to all stroll in or something no but walk in and uh not realizing that we were one hour behind over there times that's why that's why when you last week when you when i was supposed to be on the podcast as i promised i was in the middle uh i was walking down the street back to my air bmb i was like shit i had to be out the podcast run i'm not gonna run you didn't make it okay we had a good time talking about ai anyway so this is the linux cast uh despite the horrible beginning uh you guys should really be used to these really bad beginnings we never get off to the good a good start but that's okay they're fun they're fun if you guys were turning into this podcast for us to be professional and prepared man did you choose the wrong podcast especially today we spend the first part of the talking about definitely not wearing pants so um you definitely don't want it's just been a really really long day because we had to watch somebody this camera angle is blurred out anyways this is the linux cast we talked about linuxy things and last week we did a wonderful podcast on artificial intelligence where we argued constantly for two hours if you haven't listened to that or watched it yet go back and do so because it was it was very very good so we have decided that every fourth episode we're going to be doing one of those topic-based episodes instead of doing the news on that episode so we'll be doing uh uh we'll be rotating who gets to choose the topic so it should be fun well we've also decided that we're going to do a challenge again tyler has been thinking hard i'm very sure about the challenge that we're going to be doing uh and he'll let us know that uh probably when he actually thinks about it for the first time i've thought about it but good good ideas with our little um good ideas take a while to it's it's ruminating it's it's all right if he doesn't come up with a challenge i've got a challenge for you guys too we're not installing links from scratch or no it's not links from scratch it's worse it's worse thank you from scratch it's called if you do one thing wrong the whole system blows up on you suicide linux yep not doing suicide linux anyways we have a challenge that'll be coming up probably in a couple months so we're gonna be doing some new things a little bit but anyways no today we're returning back to normal we're gonna do some news we got some good topics we got some topics that i'm gonna sleep through i'm not gonna mention who's probably mine um but we have some topics but first as we always do we're gonna start out with what we've been doing this week in linux and open source so steve i know you've been away have you uh managed to accomplish anything with your linux this week yeah i was battling linux to uh to remember how to do things because after three four days of not doing anything i was like uh oh i received a lot of notifications about uh a ur packages being updated that i host on my repos i need to build those packages i turn on my mac book because it's a vm on my mac book that's all i took you with me to on the trip how do you build packages already oh that's how you do it so i had to remember a few things i got disconnected completely and then i didn't do anything in linux when i reached uh when i landed this morning at two a.m i needed to do a few things because i couldn't sleep so uh i was like how do i find iso again it's fine just put it to put it in simple words when when you stay away from linux too long especially when you're used to doing things that are certain in a certain way you you forget everything it's it's so weird but didn't do much other than building packages and pushing them to my repos because i was i was supposed to be at my sister's wedding not doing linux though you're not the type of nerd who brings your laptop to the wedding so you can sit in the back row doing things instead of paying attention yeah i just took my my phone to shoot the wedding to shoot a wedding video that's it yeah i definitely would have taken the laptop i went to the wedding in first place but i wanted to i wanted to but the wedding wasn't church i couldn't take my laptop to church they stopped me i'd cry you know that's my comfort animal i understand because it is for me as well but i follow the rules rules rules all right uh josh what have you been doing uh i've been slowly working getting banned from yet another subreddit slash r slash fedora uh because fedora pushed out a kernel update or a mesa update the last weekend which of course uh means means that everybody that was using the mesa free world driver had to deal with a package conflict between mesa and mesa free world for those that don't know what what mesa is mesa is basically just a library front end for for your gpu's hardware driver and uh specifically this this stems all the way back to the h264 codec which uh fedora removed for legal reasons so as a result the rpm fusion guys uh they built a package called mesa free world which you know re-enables the h264 and h265 codecs well uh the the big problem is that whenever fedora pushes an update uh fedora only supports fedora not rpm fusion even though there's some fedoras that maintainers that work off of rpm fusion the the the big differences that were fedora uh triggers all their all their package updates off of their source build tool rpm fusion is actually behind fedora they're not kept up in parity because rpm fusion only triggers their package builds after fedora publishes their builds so as a result uh the the mesa free world package on rpm fusion was not actually updated to be in uh version number parity with mesa uh which caused dnf the package manager to do the thing responsibly go like hey i'm not going to update this package because you have this package installed but to to pull this update in you can totally run this command here and you know replace that replace that package that i don't know anything about with this package that i want to install which is causing everybody on uh slash r slash fedora to go and say hey mesa free world is broke and i'm sitting here typing in and everybody this only affects you if you're using an amd gpu specifically amd gpu and if you actually do anything with the actual encoder because in your web browser guess what's not actually being used true so there's a very small percentage of people that actually need the mesa free world codec and i have to keep explaining that to these people because uh this guy goes i need it for my steam games there's no games on steam that that that need that because it rasterizes most most videos dxv dxvk the the vote the vulcan protocol that that we use to translate from uh direct 3d rasterizes all the videos that play back to you so there is no need for coding really if we're being honest most people are just upset about a package conflict that shouldn't be there like i mean it's a package conflict that is there for a good reason it's just as stupid how rpm fusion actually builds their packages but at the same time it's kind of understandable yeah yeah and games and games also use the think whatever thingy to to to to play the uh fmv's in the games so it's it's own thing yeah that that said the main reason why i'm saying web browser probably not using it is because by default uh most web browsers don't don't support it because video conferencing software like uh say zoom uh even even jitsi in this case don't actually uh actually hard hard force the browser to default to software encoding whereas uh services like youtube might actually use the hardware hardware decoding so uh there's a guy in chat right now i finally learned his name is actually alex that that's how you pronounce it it's alex uh but he says that he's using hardware decoding to watch the stream right now which is perfectly understandable but if you're using chromium you're using software encoding because chromium heart chromium and a webkit or like those blink based browsers don't support hardware decoding so yeah what you're saying is that you've been spending your time in on a reddit sub on a subreddit trying to get banned i'm surprised that you haven't been banned already i'm just a little bit of a shock there that you hadn't i mean hadn't already crossed that one off your burn bridges list oh how do you still have a right to count no any better i might i might say that he's losing his touch yeah definitely speaking of bridges i mean if you want to talk if you want to talk about a discussion forum i did get banned from of course there's gotta be one yeah there's at least one a week now all right tyler what what have you been doing this week well um so for the past for the past week been working a lot with everyone over on my channel ironing out ideas and writing a game document for the game that we're making the whole idea because i know some people will get confused i've got another devlog that's going to be like the actual like part one with a lot of substance in it that one's going to come out here soon and i'll explain it but we're using unity and well i mean unity uses c sharp but we're using unity and a whole bunch of like pre-built or not pre-built but uh pre-done assets that i've purchased over the past few years i've got literally hundreds of dollars worth of assets all in the same style so we're going to use all of those to build out a really good first person survival game um and yeah if you want to learn more we've got a game document and we're working on it and everything over on the channel i'll probably probably be live streaming later on today maybe not i might just work off camera uh for some reason but probably will stream but yeah um the whole goal is to take this game make it uh because we're using like assets that i've bought before like this one is not going to be open source but the whole idea is to get a very polished gameplay loop very polished gunplay and base building and really iron out the solo experience and then hopefully if this game sells well and everything i'll be able to afford to hire or contract out 3d 3d artists to model us a whole bunch of newer assets for us and in a little bit of a higher detail style and um yeah hopefully make a new version multiplayer in a different engine uh that is open source but really want to iron out and get everything working right and leverage the assets that i had look at you look at you doing big boy things try it try it let's see how it goes but uh so far it's going really i'll be the first to test it i'll be the first to test it word i would die within two seconds of actually playing i'm horrible at first person shooters um like really astonishingly bad well it will be a more arcadey style um we still haven't implemented uh the actual like uh gun like bullet uh physics and everything so we're not not exactly sure how we're going to do that we might do a raycast system where you just fire a straight line out um from um from the gun itself or the camera you can do it either way um fire a straight line out um to a certain distance or whatever or we could actually spawn in like an actual bullet object and send it using physics but that can be a little accurate like inaccurate at higher speeds and uh that one like it also has bullet drop like it's more realistic and stuff but it's harder to implement and also i don't know that everyone who's going to play the game wants like a pub g realistic bullet physics in the game g realistic did you put pub g and realistic in the same sentence well their bullet drop is pretty accurate yeah i mean i'll admit that i've never played pub g in my life so me same here it's pretty i just watched people play it i am such a horrible gamer city skylines and hearst don't man that's literally all i play all right so for me personally i trolled everybody by installing windows this week um and then posted it everywhere and just hey okay i saw that picture i saw that picture and i was really taking it back and i was trying to read who posted it is it really the next guest who posted it i i did it for a reason i'm gonna i've got some applications that i need to test that are only available on windows so i spun up a vm i did not install it on hardware also installing windows still just as a shit experiences it has been for the last 30 years this is so bad that come on it's actually gotten worse hey i was i was actually gonna say that i wasn't i'm surprised you didn't say it you guys know that uh the beginning string if you get into the iso it has a beginning screen where it says install windows right that one window has elements from every single version of windows that has ever existed you know it has like the windows 95 scroll bar it has the arrow um title bar at the top from windows 7 or from windows vista and it's like every single part of that has like i they almost have certainly had to do that on purpose like there's no way they did that on accident um you don't just doing it on purpose because they want to tell you that this is a culmination of all these or no i mean they i still honestly believe that error glass was the best windows theme if it was all right it was pretty but if you ever played if you ever used vista when it first came out man was that i talked about error glass that's windows 7 are you talking about the arrow is vista error glass is 7 i i personally do like the new look of windows 11 without all of the like extra like bullshit like if they kept the exact same style as windows 7 like layout and everything with just the curved rounded corners and like i don't know i kind of like it more but that's i've always been a rounded borders guy but let's be honest uh when it no matter what when it comes to linux or linux windows the whole reason they don't like have the actual installer looking cohesive it's the same reason why the actual like os has two fucking control centers which will never make sense to me but it's just how sheer laziness like you got to go in and like you got to you got to go in and like delete code well the most the most trippy thing is if if you've used windows for a long time and you know to go into some of like the device manager or something like that or the you know some of that stuff is from literally from like windows 98 and when you get into windows 11 it all of a sudden has rounded corners like these two things just do not go together yeah and and also like they they don't match the system theme at all anymore like it is like it in like the windows 10 days like i mean it didn't match and it looked outdated but it was it wasn't as glaringly obvious now it is like oh my gosh dude if you have a dark theme on you open up any of those programs you're like what the hell are you doing microsoft like what's what's happening yeah and in a context menu being triggered by other context menus yeah yeah because i like the old context menu yeah all right so anyways i installed windows in a vm uh and found out that windows runs like garbage in a vm unless you go through like a ton of steps in order to get to actually work um but once you turn off animations you can actually skip a lot of the other stuff because it actually does start actually functioning but if it decides it's going to start searching the file system it doesn't matter how much memory you give that thing it's going to take every bit of it you give it um god windows is horrible anyways that's basically what i've been doing uh i did i think since last week i did end up reinstalling arch Linux because i messed up again but i'm back on it now i got everything back set up and it works just fine um and then i've been spending most of your experience with endeavor os i followed i read i read your uh renti toots i still have renti toots i still have an endeavor in a vm i'm actually using it right now to do all my stuff i decided just to do that instead of i i will i will give i i will give endeavor os this they do a very pretty xfce even though i want to change i changed every single thing that they did so because it doesn't really matter all right let's go out the box experience but i'm not using solos man not a good distro um and i can't really judge that because i haven't used it in ages but when i use it last it was not a good distro um and it just changed it too much man we've had this argument it doesn't matter all right let's go ahead and jump on into the news um i don't know what that was all about i just completely had a stroke it's okay there was a glitch somewhere tyler why don't you give us your first news item of the week uh my first one is our phone it's a fully open source smartphone based on linux so uh we have probably the greatest invention here uh what it is is what looks to be um plywood or cardboard it's mdf so plywood yeah um so uh we've got a plywood shell with one of those cheap ass touch like raspberry pi touch screens uh a raspberry pi in it in a 4g modem so um yeah it's a phone definitely not waterproof oh my god no that is definitely the most rolls the most pocketable phone well it almost is certainly smaller than it looks like in the picture don't you it almost has to be right yeah yes to be honest this probably is decently pocketable but if we're being honest uh there is no way that this thing is going to do well with pocket lint like or you're going to have to be fully disassembling this thing and cleaning it like a mofo can't air every single day yeah and also uh like look if if you wanted to do something super custom and you you're on a budget and you want something that like can function as a phone like this would definitely work and this is a cool project to do however um this thing is gonna be slow as shit oh my god look at the internals yep that's it that's that's some really good cable management there bro this is only cheaper if you already have a raspberry pi uh if you don't have the raspberry pi needed for this it's cheaper just to buy a pine phone wait and you get our new products yeah so does this so there's like gonna be a like a uh like a an external like antenna modem or whatever for getting cellular connection and stuff like that wouldn't that be like well it's in the phone yeah it's part of it's part of the uh 4g hat that they're using i'm just looking at the internals man i'm just completely shocked by that yep well that's direct so the little green board directly to the left of the raspberry pi like with it all taken apart um that that little green board there is the 4g modem um or 4g hat whatever you want to call it so like i mean it also i mean like look it does have a camera like it's it is a phone for like for all intensive it was built to be a feature complete for 2010 yeah that's a good raspberry pi get like super hot i think you use a pi three in this not a pi four okay well even the pi four doesn't get super hot i mean yes it does get hot but really in all honesty as long as you're not like as long as you're not trying to play a youtube video on it as long as you don't have the screen on it's perfectly fine it's not even that like the as somebody that actually has a raspberry pi four uh you actually don't need a fan for the raspberry pi four the only time you actually need a fan is if you're actually going to be like using using the device for like heavy cpu test okay as you can only i mean also like you can for literally like 10 or 12 dollars you can get a little cpu like he's seeing block with a tiny like 10 or 20 millimeter fan on it like fine would it fit in the case though i'd be like that case probably actually no no no no no is is that a fan at the top or is that a speaker that's a speaker i was gonna say i thought maybe i was like maybe there is already a but you also got to realize that speaker uh as far as i can tell it goes on the side so you're rolling up like one of the old phones that are that yeah it's like the Motorola brick yeah like this is a chunky this is a chunky phone again it this is a really cool project phone the only thing that worries me about it is someone is probably going to see this project and go that is perfect and just start buying parts and then build it and realize that there's not much they can do with it because it's a raspberry pi also you can't carry it with you i mean there's absolutely no way you could take this out uh and have rain be a potential you know have it up to your your head when it's raining outside i didn't even think about that like the case would basically just melt in your hands if that happened also imagine taking a phone call out in the rain with this thing the oh the board start getting soggy yeah that and i mean i mean seriously because it's so big it's going to be unwieldy to hold up to your head so if you yeah it's a tablet it's a tablet on your head no no no you'd be better off holding a tablet this thing's awful also thick so it's not just big it's also thick so if you if i mean it had to be really well put together because if you drop that thing it's just going to come apart in little bpses oh also i didn't even think about this you you could totally convince someone that you're like a time travel like a time traveler if you if you took this phone out with like stop taking a call and put it down like like brought it down and then ask someone what year it was like oh i'm done i'm convinced you're from the few like someone using a plie board phone and they probably think that's the time machine that's definitely the time machine that's great time machine to the to the past of cell phones man for one bright side is that the today i learned that they make 4g lte hats for the pie yeah i didn't know that either it's is it i wonder how much just if you wanted to buy one of those things how much it would cost i have a i have a raspberry pi 4 i mean i think you're in the range of like 60 to 80 bucks um i'm pretty sure so the the 4g modem would cost more than the pie the pie weren't being scalped by for a sense of money yeah that's not yeah it is a 82 pounds for the 4g hat i found that off of the pie hut which is uk store it would still be pretty cool like let's say you wanted to have like a weather station or something like that like a mile away from your house you couldn't pick up wi-fi but you could have like a weather station there and you could do it that way that'd be pretty cool um i mean there'd definitely be some use for that uh and if you add a 4g hat for example and you want to set up a let's say a balcony computer a small balcony computer when it's not raining i mean the problem with setting up any raspberry pi as a computer or a phone is it literally doesn't even have the horsepower to play a 720p video well that's why they're good they're they're good because they don't have a hardware acceleration yeah the the pie actually does have a hardware hardware acceleration and it can play back 720p may sorry it's just that i can't do 720p 60 fps i could do 30 fps well but like that that's my point like well like as soon as you start as soon as like and also if you take it up to 1080p 30 it's shrug like i mean technically speaking on paper and even then that's just youtube if it's local media playback it can it can do 1080p on it there are there are many boards that surpass that that raspberry pi that raspberry pi uh raspberry pi now is of the past uh unless you want to do the small kind of things now more powerful boards exist not for the same price but with the way it's being scalped today you can find cheaper today for cheaper boards that have more powerful hardware but you might not be able to find one with the same level of software software support and that's the big deal with that's a big problem yeah but with the orange pie orange pie is almost as popular as well the only reason the orange pie is very popular is because it's it's literally a board knockoff like it's pretty much one-to-one compatibility so yeah because the orange pie doesn't support poe which is one thing that i'm really looking for my my point was is that the the reason why the raspberry pi has always been good wasn't because it was going to come in replace your desktop computer because it was really good at doing single use things like a weather station or or retro gaming again like to bring you back to this article in this use case it doesn't make sense because sure local media playback it's going to be fine um for pretty much you know any reasonable quality especially on the screen that you're going to be playing the media on it's going to be fine well it's not it's not even that it's the battery life well that's the real this would have made a lot more sense if it was a dumb phone instead of trying to be a smartphone if they just made it just a phone just like all it did was make phone calls and i had like a yeah we already have linux based smartphones that are fully open source so display or something like that just so you could you know see the numbers or whatever and that's all it did first of all it wouldn't have to be a stick second of all it you know it wouldn't have to be you know it wouldn't it wouldn't be it wouldn't be as cool don't be wrong no no no wait wait wait wait wait wait this is using a raspberry pi four it's it's using a pi three three pi three uh pi three okay probably couldn't get a four pi three why not use the pi three has a version that is just a slim thing uh the people you have even less horsepower than yeah yeah and and also again uh would pico run out of my screens i don't know can can you can pico even run a display yes the well i know the the pi i believe the pi zero three i don't know if they have a new version of the pi zero but i'm pretty sure that zero to w yeah there's pi three zero uh the w version i'm pretty sure the last time i looked at it it had a i think it's like a micro hdmi port or like whatever like you know mini hdmi micro yeah the the the pi uh pi zero to w it's also it's also possible that the pico doesn't run well with the 4g hat you know it's that's true that could be it could be it i'm sure i'm sure there's some level of processing that's kind of required for that and those pi zeros have i mean they are just then if you go back to the pi zero does support hdmi if you go if you go back to the this uh that exploded view here all the stuff that they're plugging into that thing probably wouldn't all fit into a pico that is also true i don't think it has camera board and everything like that but i can't believe they even included the camera i think the important thing to remember about this design and why all of the other linux phones that are on the market are pretty much worthless compared to this is they're all made out of garbage materials that try to protect the inside of the components this thing is made out of play board like if you break it who cares you can just build another one in five no because if you if you break this thing something inside is going to get broken too i mean because there there's no padding for any of that stuff it's going to get knocked into each other and it's fine the only thing that's not replaceable is the raspberry pi itself because you can't buy him right well so here's here here here's because they don't really show the ends excuse me do they leave the article does link to uh the to uh the guy that created its write up as which he links to a github that has a listing of all the parts do they leave the i o expose so you can have like a usba port on the end of your phone you know having an awesome just plug in like a printer or something i didn't even think about that would be pretty cool just to have an open that would be on your phone like and then if you want to hook up to a display because the well they probably use the well no because they'll be using is there an internal display is that how they're looking up to the displays they were using raspberry pi 4 there would be two display port or two display outputs so they could use one for the end well the internal screen is actually hooked up on the board so that hdmi port is free so yeah it's it's using the it's using the embedded display port header for the touchscreen yeah so you could just put the same thing use this as a raspberry have regular pi help cook to a monitor as well yeah that's only that if on the page where on his write up he has more pictures and i'm looking at one the volume is the volume knob oh it's an actual knob all right that's an actual so first of all i know we're taking the mickey out of this in some place but this would be you can just see like a kid in like high school or something like that with with the science fair thing doing this that'd be awesome yeah he'd win if i had this if i had this in like middle school to like early high school oh this should have been dope he's getting all the girls by the way dude no like like i wouldn't i wouldn't have seen a girl for like ever holding one dude could you imagine trying to pick up a girl with this thing hold on baby can i get your number dude you're also gonna think about this this the touchscreen like there is 99 chance it's a resistive touchscreen god you remember the resistive tight screens and like the pda's and stuff that she used to have oh man oh my god every time you press with the with the stylus it created this rainbow effect that yeah fun outwards dude i actually have a a uh 12 inch touchscreen that was resist resistive touchscreen and i actually used to use it as like a dedicated google calendar that thing was so bad i have a del pda a lot running around here somewhere that had a resistive touchscreen it had the best game i've ever played on it just it was back when it was like that ball popping game but it was one of the best ones ever it was great um oh it has a stylus it has a stylus lot lot the power switch oh my god the power switches when i saw this story what the tile put in here i was like you know we're gonna spend like three and a half minutes on this thing we just nerded out for like 20 minutes on this is awesome it's very great the wonderful thing is the wonderful thing is because uh this uh this case is made out of mdf which it which does have a consistency of cardboard and paper in it that means that uh you can use a standard pencil to write down your phone number that way you remember oh my that is actually really cool that is actually really cool like you don't need you just write the phone numbers of the people you want to call around the phone yep that's actually there's no need there's no need for a contacts application because the case itself is the contact list it would be cool to see like a version two of this that wasn't mdf but instead was made out of 3d printed 3d printed plastic um because then it would be a little bit more sturdy um it's still be just as big you're not gonna make this thing smaller yeah it's fine yeah because it's a raspberry five yeah it's unless you could find a way to use a pico i i do vote that we move on before we continue joking about this for the next hour we could definitely all right uh josh why don't you take us to the the the next one all right all right i i'm mad that this is going to trigger somebody but there is a proposal out there for the fedora kde spin of fedora obviously to drop x11 support entirely and uh just go wayland only uh this was just posted this was just posted two days ago by neil gamba the the kde maintainer for fedora and uh he he posted a merge request upstream in in plasma to set wayland to be the default session for stdm it's coming guys the biggest hurdle for this is actually stdm by the way not actually not actually not actually i tried stdm dash git like josh recommended before i traveled it didn't even work i was still not able to log into wayland so i was like through that but yeah like i said stdm is the biggest hurdle because stdm is garbage it's bad yeah think it doesn't work well so it's like dm well though it's like dm that's true works for 50 30 of the people then 70 the doesn't work it's it's fine it's fedora fedora will make it work and then make everybody else jealous that fedora hasn't working but nobody else does nobody else can that does can why can i log into wayland on gnome using gdm and i cannot log in with anything else stdm in traditional kde fashion tries to do both wayland and xorg at the same time or as gdm sets the wayland by default i do know change it i do know that if you log into uh if if you're using the fedora kde spin and you log into a plasma using wayland uh there is no x11 fallback so in it right now so if you want to use a wayland only session you can't you can do that with uh fedora kde and uh that's just because uh the the uh maintainer for has worked diligently hard on the waylands for for for fedora so uh props to neil if like this actually happens and it actually works because i mean i do have to be honest they have really good arguments yeah he has slaved way hard to get to get kde imported to wayland i mean that pretty much from what i can tell they've got all the major pieces there i mean the only reason that this would be bad news for somebody is if you use fedora kde and a piece of software that you use literally cannot run on wayland and for some reason x wayland does have an option for you and and and like matt here uh he can't get uh can't get wayland recording to work wayland hates me no no see the no the thing about me too it hates both screen recording works fine in like gnome and probably would work fine in kde it's when i try to go branch out into a window manager that i can't get to work and that's just because the portals things okay so let me just get into that so i tried hyperland i installed hyperland on uh i think i was still on my first install of arch after i left red core i installed hyperland got hyperland up and running figured it out um and you know was having a good time but then i installed the flat pack version of obs because i always install the flat pack because it's the official version um and i'm all about rules so i installed the but the problem that i was having according to the hyperland guys is because because of the containerized nature of the flat pack that was what was preventing me from getting the um screen recording to work i never actually went back in friday wait wait wait wait wait what you're saying is if you're using if someone is using hyperland or a wayland based thing they should stay away from containerized flat packs of ob yes if if ob the container to record your screen yes because to record the screen the program needs to be able to interact with the paul with the system paul kit uh to get authentication uh because what should happen is when you go to record screen you on wayland you should get a pop-up that asks you which screen you want to record and which i did get by the way that came up the button just didn't work to select the screen yeah um yeah and what what the issue is that the is that the desktop portal is just not able to pass the permission to record the screen to the flat pack because of the standardization of the flat pack yeah um so they didn't figure that out yet well no it's not something that they can figure out like i'm wondering if you just went through and flipped on every single permission in flat seal for ob s if that would solve the problem yeah it wouldn't it's it's it's a direct conflict of it being a container because there's a there's a paul kit permit there's a paul kit permission inside a flat seal well it's again it's the it's the actual portal not being able to translate between the two they it like they need to accept the permissions yeah that's something that somebody's i don't care if it's ob s or or whoever that's definitely gonna have to be something that's going to fix because that's a big deal yeah they need to they need to fix that because at some point uh wayland is going to become the default thing and if if flat packs can obviously have fixed it because the flat pack works fine in wayland gnomes works fine in wayland kde it's just an issue with the wl routes and implementation which is hopefully so that they are working on that's what that's what um the hyperland custom uh desktop portal is built off of so yeah it's not going to work and the thing is is like wl routes could change and it fix it but most likely it's probably going to be something that's implemented by uh vaxery like most likely most likely yeah i was gonna say that but also that if we're being completely honest i i have seen some pretty convincing arguments that it's not really a job of the actual desktop portal to to fix this it should be on flat pack in the way it like flat seal and it functions with the system also ob s needs to do a better job of supporting wayland i mean there you can't especially in certain certain certain certain situations where uh you have to set that stupid environment variable if you're switching back and forth right you know i mean you had to set the environment variable tell it to use wayland that shouldn't be a thing right i should just be able to recognize hey i'm using wayland now let's do the wayland it's also depending it's also dependent on how the distro package maintainers are actually implementing their their specific version of wayland because when you install install uh well not wayland but ob s but uh when you install ob s studio you're not installing unless you're compiling it for source you're technically installing a fork of ob s so uh it's literally dependent on the package maintainer at that point well that's why you always use the flat pack because that comes directly from ob s that's their official package and when that they maintain yeah then you shouldn't need to pass a flag to it i don't know why your pass why you have to it just doesn't work i don't know it's really stupid um anyways uh let's bypass my woes with wayland because obviously it's not a wayland problem it's a map problem um this too stupid to do it anyways let's go ahead and move on to mine and i'm going to talk about mozilla because of course i am when don't i like like steve talks about zero linux all the time because he's the maintainer he's he's got his his his his topic and josh talks about gen two and i'm the mozilla guy apparently because i'm like every other week i talk about you're the zilla guy you're the zilla okay it's fine it's fantastic so i'm going to show you this inside of evoldy so mozilla has just so we heard back in december that they're going to set up their own mastodon instance and i think we talked we may have talked about it on the podcast i don't even remember um it didn't seem like that big of a deal because i mean like everybody's setting up their own mastodon instance and you know whatever but evoldy did yeah yeah evoldy did you know a lot of corporations are doing it and it's fine it's the new hotness thing to do um but then i was reading this article on the verge and it seems that mozilla has higher uh aims than just setting up a uh mastodon server they're actually thinking that they're going to try to solve the problems of the internet based on the way this article is written i'm not sure if they're actually you know if this is just you know spin or whatever but apparently they want to start you know really moderating their instance and making sure that it's all you know nice people being nice to each other and it's going to be a utopia of you know no assholes anywhere you know and it's just mozilla first of all if it helps i did sign up for an account did you i can't even begin to tell you mozilla how impossible it is for you not to have assholes on your uh i mean i mean joey's just joined i don't mean so far the only rule that i've seen is don't harass other people well which is fine because uh no it it's also it's part of their rules that you can't spread misinformation or disinformation yep which who does decide what information and disinformation is also you're going to be relying on what i'm assuming are going to be volunteer moderators i mean are they actually going to be spending money on moderators i mean we'll find out and if they are spending money on moderators also like see this is what i don't understand like this is exactly why like or this is like this is it seems like the exact same story that happened with bud light like they just literally had no idea who their target audience was and uh i thought like correct me if i'm wrong because maybe i'm just like completely stupid but isn't mozilla a company that's for a free and open internet yeah yeah so like what just just to make sure i'm not completely delusional here uh if you censor and ban people from speaking well wouldn't that be not free there there's a third tenant to bazilla now because uh what they they they are for a free and open internet but they're also for a free and open and safe internet oh by adding safe makes it all okay right yep wait see that it doesn't even make you have to censor but no but the main reason why bazilla is setting up this mastodon instances because bazilla got a lot of harassment off of mastodon one day and bottom of closing their closing their account because of that has something to do with a police officer that they hired for something of course of course that you you got two kinds of mastodon instances you have the free speech extremist ones uh i think there's actually one called free speech extremist that's banned on up from basically like all the other ones that does no moderation whatsoever because that's the true internet and then you got the other ones where they're super heavy handed mazilla wants to be the one in the middle yeah it sounds more like they wanted to be super heavy handed but oh wait they want to be in the middle so you have to be in the middle honestly though honestly though what mazilla just needs to do is they just need to spend this mastodon instance uh instance and then just turn off federation well that's the only way they're going to be a successful innocent ever you're you're you are right but see what perplex me about this is this is a company that we constantly talk about not being able to like appropriately like manage their resources yeah and uh so they're essentially going to spend manpower and resources moderating essentially a discord server yeah yeah a whole a whole social network of their own okay so a massive discord server here's a here's a thing what's the they're gonna do it like uh like uh i'm too scared that they might do it but and start only putting leaving in the stuff that are pro mazilla and remove censoring everything that's against mazilla and yeah oh that is like that is going to be the least of the censoring yeah well okay when first so there's many aspects of this that bother me some of it is that they're going to be relying on moderators who then have the power to decide what is and isn't misinformation which is i mean that depends on their knowledge and it's possible that you could say something that's absolutely true they have no idea about it so that they they don't delete your stuff because they think it's false but that's all beside the point my biggest problem with this and it's the biggest problem that i always have with mazilla exactly like what tyler says is they get this company does make some money okay they do make some money they also bring in an extraordinarily large amount of money from google okay but every single project that mazilla does every single one of them up until now has either had two purposes one preserving information in an open source fashion so or taking on projects that they think should be open source things like uh you know ai uh they did that uh the the voice one the like the voice recognition one things that they want to have that were created as a proprietary thing and then it made an open source version of it so they've done that that's always a good thing you know whether or not you think they should be in the metaverse or whatever you know they have an open source metaverse right the other thing that they always the other type of project they always do is something that we'll try to bring in revenue of some kind something to uh bridge the gap to try to get them less dependent on google's money right that those are the two types of projects they have and then there's this this does neither of those things because mazilla already open source it's already federated it couldn't possibly get any more open if they tried um so it's not in that camp and um where's the money i mean there there's they they're not making money on this this is well they just they just want a community they just want to create a a community where they have more control over creating a community fine if if they came on said that this is just this is a mazilla community where people who are interested in the mazilla project projects can be a part of and stuff like that that's fine and and i would be behind that like every they probably have a discord server or a irc or something like that you can take a part of that would just be another version of that right but that's not what the like the verge article and the way the the quotes and stuff make it sound more sounds like they have like actual like mission statement behind this of you know bettering the web and making a safe space for all the internet so yeah well this is this is i to be honest i don't think i i think y'all are giving mazilla as a company a little bit too much credit here to me what this reads like and what this sounds like is this was some team lead who like they're like they were getting moved to a different position possibly going to be pushed out of the company they needed something that they could pitch top or management so that you know they could keep a job and make it seem like they were useful and deserve to paycheck and so they came up with this brilliant idea just to think somewhere inside of mazilla headquarters there's a group of at least five people that are the mastodon team they run the mastodon instant like there's five oh man um there's there's five discord mods that said as a moderator of a mastodon instance i i do see a lot of people joining mazilla dot social and then just constantly flooding all the other instances with bug reports because a lot of the issues that we deal with on a star starnecks dot network that's the one that i'm in a lot of times work we we deal with bug reports we can't do anything about because that users on another instance and they've been federated in with us so the only thing we could do is forward forward the report to the other instance which most of the time does absolutely nothing well but when they first announced the whole that that they were going to create a mastodon instance i actually thought it was a good idea because one of the biggest problems that mastodon instances have is being able to support an infrastructure for a lot of people and mazilla has a lots of money so they can they can they can easily have you know many many servers spend thousands of thousands of dollars each month or whatever to run this instance and support a very large number of people and in theory what they could do is pull some of the things some of the people away from from mastodon dot social which is the gigantic instance out there and have it be a little bit more federated so it's at least more people on different instances that's the that's the the that that's the you know like the best case scenario of what this was but when i when i read what they what they're doing it just it feels more like a pie in the sky waste of money because they're like they're gonna spend so much money on moderation so like sure it needs to be moderated but that's what you have volunteers for you know i mean maybe they are going to use volunteers i don't know like i mean for being honest this it's it's going to be really hard for anyone to convince me that this is not just an excuse for someone to maintain a job when they shouldn't like i cannot imagine like can you imagine earning a salary being a discord mod like i'm not saying modern like mod like moderating a large server is not you know a task but a 40 hour a week it's not it's not depending on how big the instance gets it you might actually be wanting to be paying look at the revolve the instance yeah but look at the vivaldi instance it's it's full of vivaldi is great vivaldi is awesome vivaldi is the best i mean you wouldn't join the greatest gracious you enjoyed the vivaldi instance if you didn't like vivaldi i mean you're you're not gonna be like the biggest firefox show and it's like yeah the vivaldi instance is definitely what i want to know i i joined it but uh i i i i i curiosity now now i don't even use that thing because i can still connect to it via the foster my question then is is it because they're taking away the criticisms of vivaldi or just because the people on there happen to be fanboys it's their fanboys all right this fanboyism this fanboys fanboyism is non-constructive and whenever you can see the problem is is whenever you tweet a toot at at vivaldi is there like not useful their answers are not useful they're bot style responses so you're not in contact with real people uh i haven't even hooked up chat gbt for lazy pos's yeah but it's it's too much of a fanboyism and i don't see the use for this because the way i see it in my head mozilla will be doing exactly the same thing as vivaldi fanboyism you talk to you talk to them you get bot replies yeah it'd be interesting to see if that happens i think that it's more likely to be bigger than the vivaldi one i think you're just getting such a small sample size bigger yeah a small sample size in the vivaldi one i think it's more we're gonna be like the fostered on one where it like fostered on full of linux fanboys because of course it is right i mean you don't see a lot of microsoft shills on the fostered on instance um but it's a big enough instance where other conversations can happen and that's probably where the mozilla one will happen too um my question always is like is this something that mozilla should be focusing so much effort on no given the fact that their browser's subpar you know i don't think so but you have to and i see i see things like i see a lot of people loving mozilla and preferring firefox to be the default browser on every distro under the sun uh but those same people they criticize to no end mozilla well i use firefox every day on many of my vm's and my main machine um and i think it's a serviceable browser but what i would challenge any of you guys to tell me is what the what is the last user facing feature like and not like an underlying technology or whatever but the last user facing feature that mozilla brought out to firefox that was actually good uh it's been a while they made the tabs a little bit more squared and uh oh is is it the tab sync across devices is is it the they've had tabs in across devices for 10 years that was like well now it's prevalent it's always been prevalent yeah it's always been somewhat prevalent but now it's super prevalent and i yeah but like you can't even use that in their defense like they did that a long time ago it's not their fault no one started using probably just proved my point that that was a long time ago the last one that the last feature i know that they for sure brought out that was a user facing feature that everybody absolutely hated was the extensions menu and yeah i actually don't hate the extensions i i despise it with a passion but whatever we don't need to get into that anyways let's go ahead you can use pockets so well i i use pocket too but not in firefox i use it as a standalone app on my phone hold on hold on we can't move on for that you can't just walk in here and drop a bomb like that just wonder what are you doing using pocket uh it's a button that comes with my browser and i don't have to install anything else i thought we had all agreed that pocket was something that mozilla did that is a meh idea at best and we weren't going to reward it first of all they bought pocket second of all when they bought pocket their number one process was a promise was eventually to make it open source it's still not open source yeah um so yeah but also who wants pocket to be open like who cares like i i don't i i i use it so little well the funny thing is after mozilla bought pocket reader mode became a thing on web browsers oh that is that was that's what pocket basically is i didn't even think of it that's so true and they have and the big the big service now is read later read for later or whatever it's called yeah um that's the one that most people use most people don't use pocket used to be the thing but now it's no longer a thing because once mozilla touches something um it no longer can be the thing anyways let's move on to the contact information before we uh jump into some more news uh you can get in contact 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you think you're releasing new iso for it look boys do not let matt deceive you here okay it matt this again it's not just that genome is me he's not interested he's a gen 2 guide now it's all first of all i'm no longer a gen 2 guy i failed that challenge second of all i'm still not a genome guy no matter what tyler says you you just are like now i might be using kde right now but i still have a lot of gnome applications installed like look matt and josh are trying to convince us they're not using gen 2 like but trust me if you see a recording of their desktop and it doesn't look like gen 2 that's because it's in a vm inside of their beautiful gen 2 install they absolutely refuse to leave like jesse thinks by showing us the stuff okay it's neofetch that that's going to prove to us anything yeah this is we all know it oh you realize how easy it is to fake the neofetch like all you gotta do is type in the information have it echo it oh are you not that i've ever done this hang on a second here hang on are you are you saying i just need to cat out the ndos release then i still i know like we we know you josh this is a vm well it is a vm okay okay just one to check all right yes all right let's go ahead guys seriously that's damn you steve for getting us off topic in your gnome bullshit all right uh steve steve why don't you tell us what your second link of the week was eve steve steve i don't have any links so it doesn't have to have links it's fine because uh josh you don't take it here so if you're a big if you're a big unix hero you believe in the unix philosophy and believe that you should pipe all of your commands together to make one giant command that does everything well linux 6.4 major pipes 10 to 23 faster or no 10 to 23 times faster so it's it's it seems like a minor improvement however the linux kernel has a lot of pipes involved in it so overall this is actually a big important performance improvement for your system as a whole uh wait hold on can we just can we just stop there for a second i believe a potential of up to a 23 times yes multiplier yes in performance on anything is going to be a noticeable improvement is it though i mean i i suppose i suppose if you add them all up given the fact that the links kernel has a whole bunch of pipes in it as josh so eloquently put there's a lot of pipe in it sorry um i got up at four o'clock this morning had to watch someone put on a hat i can't help it i'm silly shit um uh anyway you guys you guys didn't know that's where the term laying pipe comes from yeah so i'm just thought experiment if you have a whole bunch of pipes the more pipes you have the more time you're going to save so um that's when it's going to become more noticeable in that situation if you just pipe something into grub you're not going to notice right you're not really going to notice because pipes pipes in general are a function of of your shell which most shells are well the one the most popular one being a bash or zsh but uh i'm talking like down to like the system the core system shell which is well refined and relatively fast as it is it's when you chain a bunch of pipes together which you're not supposed to do by the way well you're not supposed to do in a shell scripting sense but if you're using xorg there's this is where you get to see the benefit because the xorg tool chain just to launch dwm involves a series of 213 pipes well no hold on hold on because we're going off on the weeds here for a second but i think we do have to address it um look that is a scenario that doesn't count and shouldn't be brought up and here's why um if if the only use case where the performance is especially in user land uh relevant is something that's poorly implemented from the get go and should have been redesigned 20 years ago doesn't count no i i think josh saying that that's pretty much the behavior across the board in a lot of situations yeah um but if terminal for life was here he'd explain to us why piping into a pipe is bad practice but maybe that is just for for scripting but it seems like the same um the same rules apply for everything that you're you're spawning sub shells over and over again every time you do that which is why it actually costs you resources when you do that maybe that's what they fixed you know maybe they make that less punitive uh because you you keep spawning sub shells you see tfl thought he never thought taught me anything he taught me that i gotta remember that don't ask me to write a bash group but i remember that part um anyway i'm still waiting for to get permission from him saying that i can upload his entire channel to appear to vincenzo because i've got his entire channel on my server i don't think he'll let you but i hope he does because i'd like to go watch some of the old videos um anyways uh yeah it's in it's interesting that they still that they made this faster um i would want either way they made a function faster which means that everything's going to be faster even if we don't really even notice it ourselves yeah it's like the difference Veronica get on it man i want you to benchmark linux after this change until it shows how much faster well actually if you read the article the the guy that wrote the patch did benchmark it for us but that was just one that was just one function right at the whole system it was 120 it was 128 pipes that does 256 rounds of reading and writing it was run 10 times run 10 times and averaged out and so the average before the patch 262 milliseconds and then after the patch 24 there's there's another test average 200 and pretty much 250 milliseconds after 10.8 six milliseconds like it's a pretty damn big improvement yeah cool all right uh tyler i think you're you got the second next one yes um so mine is uh about risk five because i guess i'm slowly turning into a risk five fanboy even though i don't have any risk five hardware and i'm not looking to get any but i'm interested in it but um yeah so a big thing about risk five has just been there's there's features that it just lacks at a hardware software level um integration wise and finally we've got hibernation and uh suspended disk support which uh freaking time why do people like hibernation let's just let's just pause for a second and explain that it's great that they have this feature but linux does hibernation and suspended disk you know just properly across the board so don't hold your breath on this being very good uh yes but even even crappy hibernation is better than nothing when it comes to a laptop or like a battery powered scenario laptop okay but i'm talking about when people like i have a user on my server like today he was messing out messing with uh something called these states and whatever and he wanted to get hibernation to work on on linux very well well i'm like hey you have a desktop why do you need to hibernate your desktop it's not like it's running off of a battery now is it well there there could be a lot of reasons for it uh one reason is um for hybrid when you do hibernate your pc because because of just the way the new all computer functions uh there's less power running through the cpu so well there's effectively no power running through the cpu because everything is just saved to the disk yeah nothing for cpu to do anything so effectively yeah there's still some so there's less wear and tear on your actual hardware um and also but you got the other people on the other side who leave their computers uh turned on 24 7 365 days a year yeah i mean we're not talking about so i do that with this computer here but i just have the monitors go to sleep okay and we've talked about monitor the monitor going to sleep problems many many times in the past right uh the the computer that sits behind me that one's in hibernate mode it's it's hibernating right now and that's because i don't want it to be on all the time but i want to be able to i don't every time i decide i want to go stand in the standing desk for a few minutes i don't want to have to wait for it to turn on so there's wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait there is plenty of like there hibernation before and waking it up from hibernation takes almost as long as turning it on from bed not just get a faster drive yeah faster yeah it is depend it is to spend it is to spend the disk right and suspend the ram so it so the wake up time for your hibernation is dependent on the speed of your storage drive if i if i was there so if you're using a hard disk then yes it will probably take a while all i gotta do is go over there hit the hit the space bar and it turns on in the matter of like three seconds you know it so i've never had that happen i think there is a lot there's a lot of reasons that someone would choose to do it and like two all two big ones that we also didn't cover is is also uh just sheer power you can depending on how beefed up your computer is putting into hibernate mode could actually save you like two or three like light bulbs worth of electricity just constantly being on and on top of that there is also people who are on more off-grid setups or generator setups and in that case hibernation is pretty lit because you know the battery lasts longer you you you you knew how to phrase how to phrase that because you knew my situation uh well we we did kind of meander from the topic but so it is nice that risk 5 is finally getting this and i think what the the best part about isn't even that the features have come is that the fact that they're continually adding support in the legacy features fashion raspberry pi ever did well yes part of that because of the more because of the more open nature of the cpu architecture linux of course is going to support it better more than the close source nature of the cpu in the pie right but you have to wait when you said when you said that the hibernation is craftastic on linux but can you can you say the same about uh about the team deck because it's got the best hibernation ever well well there's some kind of magic sauce there dude um well no no actually they don't because as far as i know someone can correct me if they want to do their own testing but um the battery life is actually better on windows with the exact same settings comparatively and that is only because linux does not do power management as good as windows does sadly well the battery life on the steam deck is shite anyways it's bad yes and also as far as i know it's about as good as the switches which you know you don't buy the thing for and have like a full pc in your hand expect to have fantastic battery life and if you did buy that expecting that you're you were a fool okay okay okay i'm gonna contradict you i'm gonna contradict you matt i've had the steam deck with me since i uh since i went to uh on my travels 10 days right it's been hibernating for 10 days then touch it for a state in my suitcase all 10 days i'll tell you what the battery life is is it going to turn on yeah i'm that that's actually surprising because i'm pretty sure of course mine gets it doesn't look like it's turning all there there we go it is turned on okay all right i just doesn't have enough battery to uh get to display to tell you the battery oh yeah i would show you 10 days because i turned it on before i uh before i came here uh the battery what what's going on hey don't throw the person out oh my god you made you made me flinch there that thing went completely out of frame for like like one or two frames i thought i thought that thing had hit the floor i was like oh god here we go we seriously got a battery the battery is the battery is there's nice 96% nice and we were complaining about it mine doesn't do that 10 days they were sitting in the in the box for 10 days mine mine has been sitting over there for three days it's already dead um anyways guys we got to move on um we have one more left to go debian's apt uh 2.7 packaging tool has begun rolling out a snapshot support so basically what this is is that as far as i can understand i gotta remember there's like what 200 words maybe in this entire articles there's not a lot of detail and even if you click on the merge request there's not a lot there um they're they just want to add dash dash snapshot and that dash that update support to apt now this is apt the broader sense of that not just apt get as far as i can tell that it was josh you know everything this apt and apt get are two separate things right uh they're both actually relatively the same product apt does call into apt get which apt get does sometimes seem to call into apt the two uh the the project and scope is referred to as apt okay uh in total because it is the primary package manager or the primary front end to d package i always get confused because they have three different names for it yeah um and i don't know i like if you have three different names or something you assume that there's some differences but anyways there the snapshot tool from what the brief i mean very very brief thing that the pharaonex thing talks about is basically what's going to allow you to do is save the packages that you're installing not the actual packages but i'm assuming it's the packages packaging packaging uh it's the mere it's the mirror snapshot that you get when you run apt updates so it's basically the database yeah the actual package itself and they're gonna save that so that you can at least in theory revert back and using update to go back to certain packages and stuff it's interesting because some obviously the idea behind snapshots is one that we've talked about before on the on the podcast you know with butterfs and zfs and stuff like that um it's have we ever seen a package manager actually build in its own snapshotting system before i don't think so i know on genti you can install older versions of packages so you so you can roll back arc linux you can as well you can use downgrade on yeah why would you bring it up into gen two makes the whole conversation irrelevant it's like trying to compare her to heaven well of course of course most package man most package managers have the ability to downgrade they also and some of them have the ability to install old versions like you wouldn't install no version of flat package again the thing is i don't believe that once you ran an apt update you could no longer down downgrade a package maybe that's what this is is just a way to go backwards i i might be wrong on that but uh i think that's what this is yeah like so it's surprisingly how little data there's actually is about what they're actually talking about here because even if like so if you go to the merge request the the merge request itself is um this adds this feature in this feature and then it's just commit logs after that yeah that's really what i do i want to check it out i'm like oh well this explain absolutely nothing um where where fronix even got the head of looked at the code in order to get the the information that it did have um so yeah apt is adding something this is going to be in come from debbie and first so it'll be interesting to see what this actually does when they know it's great when debbie introduces a new feature and a bunch who doesn't have to introduce it for them yeah and then usually it is upstream yeah um and anyways it'd be interesting because they're calling them snapshots not downgrades is what what caught my attention because snapshots like isn't it like uh the snapshots that you add for butter affairs no it's not it's not like that at all it's it's it's just going to be for packages not files and directories but it's going to be like josh it's going to be the database so it makes you think it's more like downgrades than it is like a snapshot but they're calling it snapshots which is why it's like it does make it is the way it's being mentioned is like to me it makes me think about keeping a permanent cache of all previous versions of which i think apt does to apt creates a cache of stuff but i don't think it's it i don't think it's it's just literally going to be a list of the of the user it's just a repository list that's all it is just keep it it's like it's like dpkg not dpkg what is um what is the debbie in it might be dpkg dash dash list or something like that that lists out all of the packages that you have on it's not that it's basically going to be that i guess um first of all you guys should be very impressed the fact that i haven't used debbie in in probably a year and a half to do anything and i remember dpkg dash dash list um probably doesn't even exist i'm just making it up um anyways well it's literally just a snapshot of the database that you pull in whenever you run into like an apt update the update command will will go go in it'll index the mirrors and pull pull in the latest greatest package listing that is the listing of the available packages from that from the mirror but all this except all this is just it is just a way to snapshot that listing well no it's gonna be a snapshot of what's in your system not of the repository so you could go i think right i don't think i think i think you're not wrong there it was it doesn't mention anything like that it'd make a hell of a lot more sense to have it as a thing on your list other than there why why would you want a backup of the repository in total that wouldn't do you any good at all well no but the repository does does actually hold order versions of packages right but the reason why the only way the word snapshot makes sense is if it's the if it's making a list of the the packages you have installed on your system in the versions and then to could take you back to the previous versions of the previous list right that's the only way that the word snapshots make sense at least to me i'm we got alex in the chat he's he's he's sitting there explaining it to us right now he is a debian developer and he says that's that makes it easier to install a package from a certain date which in order to do that you need the package listing i don't know more information would have been nice in the actual merge request there alex if you if you want to go talk to some of your buddies um anyways uh that's it for the news uh let's go ahead and move on to really quickly guys really fucking quickly thingies of the week josh your thingy of the week uh it's called plasmative it's kde application for youtube done excellent you did a fantastic job job josh i think i'm gonna do just as good mx master three it's a fantastic mouse i want i want one so bad i want so bad it's 99 bucks it's 99 bucks guys 99 bucks yep 99 bucks give me one get me one okay steve you want me another one steve do you have a thingy of the week me i have a i do have a thing uh sorry i do have a thingy a thingy of the week and i didn't post it in the thing because i just he's always reminded of the podcast in the last minute but my my my thingy of the week is google maps your band sorry it's a surprise to everyone it is honestly the best google project right now it has helped me so much in syria you cannot imagine because and and this the fact that i didn't have i didn't have internet i only had internet in the apartment in the airbnb but outside there i didn't buy a line i didn't because i don't want to spend money or temporary things but the gps mark no hey you the gps is fantastic except there's a caveat everything with with google there always there's a but big but i like big butts and i cannot like sorry uh uh uh the uh the big butt is that you have to connect on why open the location on wi-fi click the link to the location on wi-fi then disconnect from wi-fi it's kind of weird but what if uh like i want to click a link when i am outside the house for example and uh i remember the different link i want to go to a different location at this point it's pointless because i don't have an internet connection on my phone to open a new link a new location link to navigate to there so you would have been in the water if you've been back in the the early 2000s where you actually had to download the package maps or the maps the maps well i don't know well i still have things i don't have maps but you had to buy it it was like buying an atlas you know you yeah it's like isolation or using atlas or a map it's a find in my family that was two miles away i would live my life separated from my family i would not know who they are are you trying to say you don't know how to use a map is what you're trying to say no what i'm saying is is i know how to use one but i'm so terrible at navigating it's like i i if it wasn't for my phone being able to tell me which way left or right is with the arrows he needs the arrows i'm so bad all right uh no no but google maps is amazing it has helped me so much it's a life saver i tried apple maps because i'm an iphone user i tried apple maps yet for some reason it tells me to go right when i need to go left i don't know make sense all right so tells me i need to drive through a desert to get to work yeah there's no desert within a thousand miles i i'm pretty sure there's not a desert in Ohio i mean i've been to Ohio a few times um i mean really the driest state in the world i mean unless they're talking about that vast field between lima and Toledo they're definitely talking about sandusky what's wrong i'm trying to buy a game what's wrong all right i don't have time to deal with your nonsense steve i gotta do mine then i gotta go all right anyways um mine is interesting giving the fact that i how absolutely opposed to ai i was last week so mine is whisper ai um oh we're gonna have transcripts for the podcast though we have trans we will have transcripts for the podcast my previous two videos have closed captions from whisper embedded in them and it's pretty damn good now i i i you download it you feed it uh an audio file from and it uses ffm peg to read the the language and everything and then it sits there for like 20 to 30 minutes and it does the translation into actual text but it also embeds the timestamps into it and everything so you can upload the entire vtt file like to youtube if you wanted to um and depending on what language model you use the more cpu power it's going to take so i use the medium uh language model and it does a pretty good job it does not like the word gen two by the way uh spells it gen and then the number two i had to fix that but but um other than that it does a pretty damn good job and uh i haven't tried the large language model or the the extra large language model i'm assuming those would probably set my computer on fire given the fact that the medium one takes like 80 cpu uh performance like it just it's craziness um i wish kind of wish that they'd let you offset some of that to like the gpu that'd be pretty sweet um then and if you have like a video and like another language you can use whisper to translate it from that other language to english with to a trans to a transcript that's pretty cool uh it does not do the other way around that'd be really it'd be awesome if you take it from english and put it into like spanish or something like that because then i could put spanish closed captions on my videos but it doesn't do that as far as i'm aware um i mean it's i need to have my content like transcribed in amandren i was thinking i need i need your next video to be transcribed into latin for me please piglet because i i do need to brush up on my latin it's been a while definitely i need to i need to brush up on my fault uh on on my uh cling on yeah oh okay uh anyways you do whisper uh the links will be in the show notes it's really real cool if you have any uh need to translate audio into text it's fantastic um it's like the best and only good use of ai that i've ever found so um there's that anyways that's it there's another you good no i'm sorry see we've had this conversation someone had to go to syria last week you missed it uh sorry man i really do have to go anyways that's it for the podcast this week if you guys want to support me on patreon and patreon.com slash linuxcast you can do so thanks to everybody who does support me on patreon you uh you guys are all absolutely fantastic without your support the challenge it's not be anywhere near where it is right now so thank you so very very much for your support again as i said thank you thank you thank you thanks everybody for watching we record this live as i said earlier every saturday around three o'clock p.m eastern time head on over to youtube.com slash linuxcast if you'd like to catch us live we do have a fantastic time together uh usually i'm not this rush at the end but this today that's gotta go anyways thanks for watching we'll see you next time